I've never actually had to play a game with such a poor excuse of a community in my life, the amount of people that coulden't care for anyone but them self is unreal, the amount of KSers is just a living joke and I think that's due to this screwed up PK system, people just get to run about everywhere with these annoying Iss buffs that just make everything OP to a pointless amount where squad mobs are able to be solo'd in a few seconds.
I really don't know where people get off on this game, but most the time it makes me sick to my stomach, e.g you're killing a mob, they will sprint up to it from what ever distance just to get the last hit kill for the quest like the biggest **** hole you've ever seen, other times they will just simply start hitting the mob that you've already downed half it's health, most the time it tends to be an archer, will full buffs, just walks up to it, crits the rest of it's health down and carrys on as normal, I mean seriously wtf? my last game was perfect world, that games a real stink hole yet people actually respect the "first person to hit the mob owns it" kinda rule, instead here it's just "idgaf, no one will pk anyone, my damage is better than yours and I'm doing a quest", unsurprising since I'm an EE with a mediocre nuke and no mentor/iss buffs.
Then there's the gold sellers/hackers everywhere, I got hacked a few days ago, still I kept my chin up after being wiped clean and began to make some funds on my other char to get my main funded with bssa's, spirit ore etc, when I discovered my char at talking island at the warehouse npc, I see other chars at times there, some in clans, with no gear at all, stood near 1-2 other level 1 chars, obviously having their char wiped clean, yesturday I saw 3 different chars there having the gear took off and eventually log off minutes later.
This game needs to do what innova did with bots and let us do the bot check system on them, they need to upgrade security on these servers, perhaps actually give us a second code in game where you can't take any gear off until you put in the code, same with the warehouse, or just simply give us a password to enter the private warehouse, they need to fix this PK system or something as the KS'ers on this game is just...100% disgusting.
I've never actually had to play a game with such a poor excuse of a community in my life
Why thank you, and a warm howdoyoudo to you as well!
the amount of people that coulden't care for anyone but them self is unreal, the amount of KSers is just a living joke and I think that's due to this screwed up PK system, people just get to run about everywhere with these annoying Iss buffs that just make everything OP to a pointless amount where squad mobs are able to be solo'd in a few seconds.
You lost me, what does the PK system have to do with that? Someone annoys you, you can kill them (or at least try to). Every time, everywhere. Just need to be prepared for the consequences.
I really don't know where people get off on this game, but most the time it makes me sick to my stomach, e.g you're killing a mob, they will sprint up to it from what ever distance just to get the last hit kill for the quest like the biggest **** hole you've ever seen, other times they will just simply start hitting the mob that you've already downed half it's health, most the time it tends to be an archer, will full buffs, just walks up to it, crits the rest of it's health down and carrys on as normal, I mean seriously wtf?
My main's an archer, I have one advantage over any other class: range. Why would I walk up to your mob to hit it when I can snipe it from over 1k distance?
my last game was perfect world, that games a real stink hole yet people actually respect the "first person to hit the mob owns it" kinda rule, instead here it's just "idgaf, no one will pk anyone, my damage is better than yours and I'm doing a quest", unsurprising since I'm an EE with a mediocre nuke and no mentor/iss buffs.
Just ignore the idiot and move on then? Not like you lose anything of value if he just takes the last bit of HP off the mob. XP is split after total dmg done iirc, and drops go to the person or party that did the most damage total.
Then there's the gold sellers/hackers everywhere, I got hacked a few days ago, still I kept my chin up after being wiped clean and began to make some funds on my other char to get my main funded with bssa's, spirit ore etc, when I discovered my char at talking island at the warehouse npc, I see other chars at times there, some in clans, with no gear at all, stood near 1-2 other level 1 chars, obviously having their char wiped clean, yesturday I saw 3 different chars there having the gear took off and eventually log off minutes later.
I call BS, why would you transfer the char with assets to talking island when you can create a level 1 char, teleport him around as you like free of charge and strip the stuff of other chars and trade said stuffs to that lvl1 mule? Same effort, same result, much less visibility and less money lost for porting around.
This game needs to do what innova did with bots and let us do the bot check system on them, they need to upgrade security on these servers, perhaps actually give us a second code in game where you can't take any gear off until you put in the code, same with the warehouse, or just simply give us a password to enter the private warehouse, they need to fix this PK system or something as the KS'ers on this game is just...100% disgusting.
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Here's a hint: most, if not all people that were ever "hacked" in MMOs were infact careless with their account info or cought themselves a keylogger. And I still don't understand what's so wrong with the PK system. edit: well, in my opinion the person getting PK'ed should lose the standard amount of XP, AND we need bigger/more hunting zones, quite impossible at times to wear off the red when everywhere you go people are stepping on each others' toes.
I call BS, why would you transfer the char with assets to talking island when you can create a level 1 char, teleport him around as you like free of charge and strip the stuff of other chars and trade said stuffs to that lvl1 mule? Same effort, same result, much less visibility and less money lost for porting around.
You can call BS as much as you want mate, fact is, that's what they do, when I logged in yesterday morning, I found both of my chars (my main and my old level 30 char I no longer use) stripped of their gear, money and items, stood at talking island village in pretty much the exact same spot near the warehouse NPC, now tell me, why would I lie about that? how is that b/s?, also when I did log in, when I get to chose server, I found it was on a diff server where I had made my char on a trial account pre GoD, also stood in the same spot, it was a level 30 with pretty much crap all for money/items/gear, yet they were desperate enough to take it.
Here's a hint: most, if not all people that were ever "hacked" in MMOs were infact careless with their account info or cought themselves a keylogger. And I still don't understand what's so wrong with the PK system.
Here's a hint: even if that is true (which you have no evidence of by the looks), people that are hacked, are simply hacked just "because", I've never used any third party websites, never shared my details with anyone, not even family members or close friends irl, never downloaded any weird programs not knowing what they do or anything, all I'll say is, if you're the same as me by not doing any of that and you end up getting hacked on this game, then all I can say is "I told you so".
I totally agree with all your ideas. Everyone is walking around with ISS buffs, and due to again what you say about the community you have to pay for these buffs.
Something should be implemented to restrict certain levels below 85 from receiving these buffs.
I've been in places where there were alot of KSers, and on the next day, everyone apologized for Hitting my mob.
You can't generelize just because you had some bad experiences.
I've played alot of MMO, including your Perfect World, World of Warcraft, Lineage 2 and SUN, in all of those, i've managed to get friend, and enemies, ignorant ppl, and aknowledged ones.
Myself, i usually don't give a **** to anyone unless i know him, or he speaks properly with me via pm, but regardless of that, i won't KS mobs because is something i dislike, but this is just me, some ppl actually think it's funny to KS mobs, just like some love to PK, like me, i love to PK, but only after someone KS my mobs.
Due the new PK system, i must think twice before actual press the CTRL button and smoke the KSer out.
But after a certain lvl, my PK count will surely increase, since the PK system is HARD for lowbies, but EASY for high lvls
Since going f2p/pk system the game is full of ******** in every spot you go. No one respects hunt spots and no one seems to care about ganking kills etc, they just roll through and hit everything and kill what they want.
Luckily I've been playing nuker recently so anyone starting a "gank yo mob" fight always loses, but I've been having a lot of trouble with random untagged ******** with bad attitudes.
I think it's more then PK system than F2P but you never know. I'd be happy if it was old pk since I'd just pk the noobs and kill myself for 100% rez or work it off. It's so annoying when a scrub archer in unelemented dyn can gank a fully geared/300 weapon nuker's mobs full in the knowledge that it'd be far too much hassle for the nuker to work off a pk.
Edit: I have bumped into a fair few decent players too, most of them seem long term players though.
Here's a hint: even if that is true (which you have no evidence of by the looks),
Oh if I had a penny for everytime someone said that to me.
It's a simple equation of effort and time spent vs rewards. Hacking, really hacking an account requires the right tools, experience and effort. Getting your account info through a **** means hacking NCs login server or database, every time you want up to date user info. Placing a keylogger or a phishing website requires next to no effort, and that only once. After that, you get the account info served on a silver plate.
And then, why would they specifically target YOU when you had only cheap stuff on your chars anyway? Why didn't they target the guy with 3 85+ chars and tons of adena?
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=226839
Several posts from people that got reimbursed by NC after they gotten hacked. Note: hacked, not gotten their login info phished, I really don't want to defend NC ... at all... but that's really the user's responsibility there, not NC's.
people that are hacked, are simply hacked just "because", I've never used any third party websites, never shared my details with anyone, not even family members or close friends irl, never downloaded any weird programs not knowing what they do or anything, all I'll say is, if you're the same as me by not doing any of that and you end up getting hacked on this game, then all I can say is "I told you so".
Just "because"? Someone is spending quite a lot of time, risking detection and the following legal action, to take your few adena just "because"? Chinese farmboy companies wouldn't give a **** about legal consequences ofc, but then they also do it for the money, not "just because".
1. The new players have to study respect the old players and clan and our self made rules on our servers.
2. Always was needed pay to buffs if the buffer can't join to a party or something like that.
3. You got from quest a lots of money, buffs if u have mentor and double xp, you can get free weapons, not be problem give this 100-150k for buffs.
4. Try to join to an older clan to get respect and study how the game work.
5. Now, that the game became to free a lots of useless kids influenced the servers who are useless, so we old players keep the distance from you all for these reasons.
6. This game is an open world game where is same priority has the PvE and PvP, you can be happy, because in the old system you would get about 100 times player kill from old players.
7. Now this KS system what is mostly work or send clan war to the peoples what with has problem.
8. Well, I guess this "****" thing is mostly a selfmade problem to the players.
9. You have right with the gold sellers and the bots, but they are in every game, much more gold seller in the WoW as in the L2 example.
10. If I see an untagged guy who came to my spot or one of new clan's member I KS their mobs also sometimes I take away their spots. But this is part of the game. The older and stronger player has priority:)
Oh if I had a penny for everytime someone said that to me.
It's a simple equation of effort and time spent vs rewards. Hacking, really hacking an account requires the right tools, experience and effort. Getting your account info through a **** means hacking NCs login server or database, every time you want up to date user info. Placing a keylogger or a phishing website requires next to no effort, and that only once. After that, you get the account info served on a silver plate.
And then, why would they specifically target YOU when you had only cheap stuff on your chars anyway? Why didn't they target the guy with 3 85+ chars and tons of adena?
Good question, why did they target me? in total on my account, I simply had about 70 to perhaps 80mill worth of items+adena, but then again, why not target me just because they can? not like they give a crap about being detected if they're hacking hundreds of accounts by the week so they can sell the items, stuff all the adena onto some chars and sell it for r/l cash.
The only website I've visited is this: http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/skill
A website that shows skills for classes, somewhat outdated as well but it gave me the jist, I've probs had multi tabs open while being on that, making the cookie thing that it says on your link true perhaps, but if that's how I got hacked, how was I to know? I've never been hacked before, I've used "Unofficial" websites on perfect world called ecatomb.com which provides all skills, only difference is, the owner actually uses the official forums as well.
Just "because"? Someone is spending quite a lot of time, risking detection and the following legal action, to take your few adena just "because"? Chinese farmboy companies wouldn't give a **** about legal consequences ofc, but then they also do it for the money, not "just because".
When I said "just because", I wasn't saying it as in "they're doing it just because they feel like it", obviously they're doing it to get adena and sell for r/l cash, doesn't take a brain genius to figure that.
You can call BS as much as you want mate, fact is, that's what they do, when I logged in yesterday morning, I found both of my chars (my main and my old level 30 char I no longer use) stripped of their gear, money and items, stood at talking island village in pretty much the exact same spot near the warehouse NPC, now tell me, why would I lie about that? how is that b/s?, also when I did log in, when I get to chose server, I found it was on a diff server where I had made my char on a trial account pre GoD, also stood in the same spot, it was a level 30 with pretty much crap all for money/items/gear, yet they were desperate enough to take it.
Here's a hint: even if that is true (which you have no evidence of by the looks), people that are hacked, are simply hacked just "because", I've never used any third party websites, never shared my details with anyone, not even family members or close friends irl, never downloaded any weird programs not knowing what they do or anything, all I'll say is, if you're the same as me by not doing any of that and you end up getting hacked on this game, then all I can say is "I told you so".
* Don't install 3rd party software to "help" play the game.
* Don't give your account information away to anyone for any reason.
* Don't use any 3rd party to help improve your account through powerleveling or adena services.
Follow these three simple guidelines and you, too, can play for almost a decade without ever being hacked! :)
the fact is that GoD "totally free" has brought to this game the worst of what people have to offer. Bots, bad attitudes, etc... I ma not even talking about the constant lag, the frequent disconnections, and the objects or adena lost by NCSOFT in inventory. Why has this game which was a really great at some point has gone down so badly?
Its the private server people. They come from a community of people on a server where it's everyone for themselves. Take everything you can from players with no regard for them. And since pking someone is far more hassle than it's worth this why they do it. Chronos wasn't nearly this hostile before it was opened up as free to play. Most of the power clans we knew the people in them and most of the time left another alone. Now they are full of private server people on a power trip using 3rd party programs during sieges or pvp creating lag as soon as they enter the area. Nc may as well quit spamming their warnings about programs and RMT cause they don't anything about it.
Its the private server people. They come from a community of people on a server where it's everyone for themselves. Take everything you can from players with no regard for them. And since pking someone is far more hassle than it's worth this why they do it. Chronos wasn't nearly this hostile before it was opened up as free to play. Most of the power clans we knew the people in them and most of the time left another alone. Now they are full of private server people on a power trip using 3rd party programs during sieges or pvp creating lag as soon as they enter the area. Nc may as well quit spamming their warnings about programs and RMT cause they don't anything about it.
+1 Chronos has become a slum eversince unregulated F2P. Silly games are made for F2P. Not L2.
I agree 100% with the OP. The in-game community is without question the worst I've ever seen in any MMO I've played - but it's namely due to it being F2P. Prior to F2P, getting your kill stolen was a rarity. Now, the servers are being bombarded by those who used to play private servers who have a totally different mentality.
It's quite literally impossible for me to hunt anywhere and not encounter at least one griefer. In the past week I had someone stick around me picking up all my Adena as it dropped (Mithril Mines, I didn't move much due to being an archer and being able to attack mobs from all directions), someone coming up to me in WoA and sticking around for three minutes KSing everything (to get me to attack him), and of course all the people that try to take over your already small patch of hunting ground when there are other spots available.
Honestly, the in-game community overall is disgusting... it just is. Fortunately there are other people who end up offsetting it, and it's a good thing because I don't think I could play otherwise. It feels like I am playing a game with a bunch of bratty children more often than not.
In my whole 7.5+ years L2 carrier, i saw only 2 big massive bannwaves and the time HGMSpamm was cleaning ingame bots. Everybody was happy to see him around. But it didnt last long before he quitted job at NCsoft or got fired. Dunno from the 2.
Never saw any GM anymore ingame at that time. And Gamegaurd is just a joke. Never worked good. It didnt block Superman backdays, it didnt block packethacks, editors, decoders, rangers, radar, etc.
Still asking why they still use it, because its totally useless.
Get an GM ingame at prime time like HGM Spamm 5 years ago, which actually fears botters.
Whatever we try, we are never ever get heared by NCsoft at this part, or share our idea's. And making chances and waiting on Dev Korea makes it much worser.
How manny times didnt the old players send in verry nice worked out idea's, but got totally stamped into the ground by NCsoft, or even worser get deleted.
And which side they standing btw? Ours? IGE?
People are just screaming on the boards for solutions, and there are so manny threads. None of the GM staff replies. They only replies when problem is getting totally out of hand or when its to late.
NC may not care, but then again neither does majority of the community either. There is no patience what so ever for anything, people can't even wait 2mins in a party, without saying "Gogogogoggogo" It's disgusting.
NCwest can't fix a problem overnight like most expect...
Most things take time and require a thing called patience.
NC may not care, but then again neither does majority of the community either. There is no patience what so ever for anything, people can't even wait 2mins in a party, without saying "Gogogogoggogo" It's disgusting.
NCwest can't fix a problem overnight like most expect...
Most things take time and require a thing called patience.
Guess you arent 7.5+ years ingame. And yes i have patience, but if they fail after fail after fail after fail.... you dont have patience anymore....
How manny times i didnt send in botter replies in the past. Screenshots, Movies, etc. And they didnt get banned. Unless the time when HGMSpamm was around. We made an list for him and he checked them. They were banned 1 or 2 days after.
That was the only good GM which ACTUALLY did SOMETHING!
All these new policies/GM. It doesnt work...
Just check this old thread were HGM Spamm was loved by players:
you QQ about buffs? got buy Iis buffs or make yourself an iss like i did.
someone ks you? go pk them instead of QQ about the pk system,its easy to reduce karma from level 60+ anyways.
instead of being a carebear make a pt\pvp\pk for the spot.
no mentor? fail again.
you got hacked? i lol again,funny to me how get hacked every day.
Its the private server people. They come from a community of people on a server where it's everyone for themselves. Take everything you can from players with no regard for them. And since pking someone is far more hassle than it's worth this why they do it. Chronos wasn't nearly this hostile before it was opened up as free to play. Most of the power clans we knew the people in them and most of the time left another alone. Now they are full of private server people on a power trip using 3rd party programs during sieges or pvp creating lag as soon as they enter the area. Nc may as well quit spamming their warnings about programs and RMT cause they don't anything about it.
:( the private servers players took my mob :(:(:(
you want a non hostile game? you got pokemon online and hallokittyonline,la2 was always a hostile game,when i came to offcial i was shocked from the amount of high levels carebears
:( the private servers players took my mob :(:(:(
you want a non hostile game? you got pokemon online and hallokittyonline,la2 was always a hostile game,when i came to offcial i was shocked from the amount of high levels carebears
There also non e-P3nis players which play this game. You dont own this game or disrespect other players. Such players we better see them leave then stay ingame, they even worser then Bots.
Lineage II is not dying by any means. In every game, even the Pay to play ones, there is bots, exploiters, hackers, griefers and everything else you can imagine. Granted, in some games it is worse but many people like myself who is in fact new to Lineage II enjoys the game for what it is. Even though the game has been out for many years and is in fact still going should be a good signal that is it not going anywhere.
There is a simple solution to the game. If you do not like it, simply find something else, it really isn't that hard to do. I like how competitive this game is. If someone starts trying to ks me, or train me or harass me, I am sure as hell not going to back down even if the odds are against me. I can't begin to tell you how many friends have made that started off as enemies. As for the people who claim to quit, well, I have seen a few in game rage and QQ about it so often and that they are quitting and yet, I still see them in ToI & GC slaving away for that precious exp to get those lvls.
Personally, I am greatful it is free to play. Were it to ever go pay to play again, I'd sub in a heart beat.
As for the community being corrupt, I can agree and disagree. I have had a very nice experience with people in game with the exception of a few. I was lvl 40, shouted for a clan, got accepted into which was filled with great, helpful, very active people. You gotta take the rainbows with the mud, everything isn't going to be nice all the time but I try and remain positive even when the circumstances become dire.
Again, as a new player, I love the game. I didn't come from a private server, I came from an even worse game, AION. Wanna play something terrible, play that and Lineage II will seem like a paradise. The community there is horrible and way too elitist for my taste.
Times are rough in the world of a gamer. Playing with others will cause you to encounter things not so nice. Some would say the gaming vitrual worlds are starting to be just like real life. Reality suxor no mater real or virtual.
I just need one thing explained... why would anyone in their right mind **** a level 30 character? There is absolutely NOTHING of value on a character below A grade (I would say S80 but I didn't want to hurt any pre-F2P care bear's feelings).
You can call BS as much as you want mate, fact is, that's what they do, when I logged in yesterday morning, I found both of my chars (my main and my old level 30 char I no longer use) stripped of their gear, money and items, stood at talking island village in pretty much the exact same spot near the warehouse NPC, now tell me, why would I lie about that? how is that b/s?, also when I did log in, when I get to chose server, I found it was on a diff server where I had made my char on a trial account pre GoD, also stood in the same spot, it was a level 30 with pretty much crap all for money/items/gear, yet they were desperate enough to take it.
Here's a hint: even if that is true (which you have no evidence of by the looks), people that are hacked, are simply hacked just "because", I've never used any third party websites, never shared my details with anyone, not even family members or close friends irl, never downloaded any weird programs not knowing what they do or anything, all I'll say is, if you're the same as me by not doing any of that and you end up getting hacked on this game, then all I can say is "I told you so".
You can't say that this is because of private server players. Even in private servers there are a lot of good and polite players.
I like to play friendly but you change your mind when a lot players have they personal iss enchanter and take whole place to themselves. Then only thing is left to ks because there is no other place. Then they flag on you and say words like coward because i don't hit back.
I agree, my account was hacked, I have been a customer with NcSoft since 2006, and they responded to my ticket saying that if my NcSoft Master Account was not accessed I would not have got an email which is true they didn't access that.
Second They said that I had a keylogger on my PC, I ran an Antivirus scan immediately after no Virus/Trojan/Keylogger, and I even used Malaware Bytes, even a week ago I ran another scan for the hell of it because they claim outdated database, I will run yet another today but I am sure my pc is clean as none of my other game accounts got hacked/scammed/ripped off only this game, and again it was fine for years until it went Free 2 Play.
Third, I am currently debaiting with the GM's, I can't discuss what or who said what and all of that due to rules of the forums, but I will say this for GM's Moderators, and everyone else to read. I want my account restored back to what it was PERIOD. I do not care if I loose a few levels or what few items I purchased from the NcSoft store I can get those back, but I can't obtain back everything I lost without over a month of play time and I just am not going to do it.
I am also not going to stay quiet about my experiences either with Lineage 2, I can get banned from their game, from these forums I will keep a loud mouth on every other unoffical blog out there until my account is fixed, and the support I have got from customer service over all of this, even if other forums such.
Fourth, They say they are working on A secondary password system, and I am glad they are, but this does not help me with my account getting ripped off if that is what happend, I have no evidence that says that it was anyways just what I think happend based on what I saw, although something did happen to my account and no one did anything, or says they can't restore an account to a date any time before it was hacked in that year which is serious crap.
Fifth, I hate to say it, I don't like WOW, but they did provide a way better customer service experience than this, and I will not be playing Lineage 2, recommending the game to my friends or anything else until I get this fixed.
Sixth, I am also filing a complaint as I said with the proper people if the GM's can't resolve this issue to get the hacker or person doing such and hopefully they get caught and not only for what they did to me but others as well.
Seven, I really look foward to being able to play Line Age 2 again, as it is still a great game especially now with recent changes, But I will not do such until NcSoft can restore what was taken from my account without my consent. They also do have ways to track gear down which was sent out via mail in game I am quite sure of it, but haven't done it yet to my knowledge I believe everything I had in game was sent out via the mail system because my sent mails to my alts were deleted that means GM's should know exactly who took my items and be able to recover all of this that was ripped off from me, and no I am not going to accept this bind crap either I want it back just as it was, bound equipment is not going to help me or my alt characters.
Eight, Seriously NcSoft needs to fix all these hacked accounts just recently I really do not care what they have to do they should fix it, and I have worked around Servers before I know that if they did their job properly there would be a backup copy there where they could just Copy the folder paste it and account fixed really isnt that hard.
For those of you that want to say something like...
Keylogger
Private Server ( I never played on any L2 private servers.)
I did not get phished
I did not use hacks, cheats, bots, or addon's of any kind with Lineage 2.
I just need one thing explained... why would anyone in their right mind **** a level 30 character? There is absolutely NOTHING of value on a character below A grade (I would say S80 but I didn't want to hurt any pre-F2P care bear's feelings).
How does a keylogger know what level you are?
^this basically, what the hacker did was go on both servers I had chars on, on Naia I had 3 chars, 2 were just random chars I made during the trial period pre-GoD, the other was my elven oracle I got to 3x, but its the chars on shillen that I was bothered about, my char was just 2 levels off S grade before the **** and I lost 70-80mill worth of adena/items which was quite a lot for me.
You are all suggesting that the problem with ks-ing and stuff comes from the mentality of some vicious private server newcomers, like u r all angels and had a freakin' paradise here, on Earth, and now its gone, but neither of u considers the possibility that the reason might be the increased population of the servers - just raw concentrated numbers. You cant have a tutorial that points out one or two spots for 10k ppl and have things cool. Its just a size 40 shoe for a size 45 leg.
Have to agree that the community is pretty bad right now. An I agree, iss buffs should be limited to 85+ characters, same as those iss buff elixers. I also agree that most of this is probably from F2P people, be it i am one of them. I used to play back in C3-C4 and the community was MUCH calmer and much more patient. Now everytime you get into a kama group you've got people who only say hi and go. Although, I am assuming it is better at higher levels where all the real players are and the lazy/impatient people drop off and stop leveling.
Although.. on the account "hacking" you have to go to phishing sites or somehow manage to get keyloggers, that's entirely on you. Out of the 8-9 years I've played online game, I have NEVER had any of my accounts stolen or "hacked".
Also, note that there are certain... demographics that cause most of the non-social/one-man-against-all types. I'm sure everyone knows who and or what I'm talking about. As well, I used to play unofficial servers a long long time ago because I loved C4 so much I didn't want to leave it. But after those went away, I went away. Still not much of a fan on a lot of the new stuff...:(
Well, I haven't problem with the NCwest support team. Yes, HGMspam was a great GM but he became GM at the City of Heroes team.
But also met with many great GM like GMshark.
I never forgot when I did report a bot team. I did a report than a 3 party members bot groups. I wrote a mail, that they are in the spot and I can't XP from them.
At first GMshark wrote an answer, that when He checked they weren't ingame. After, when I saw this bot group again fast wrote a mail to the GM team, that these bots are returned.
I got a mail from GMshark, that He is coming. In 1 hour the whole group got permanent ban!
Also I did report about 100 bots and at least 90% of them got permanent ban after!
You all have to understand now, that to NCwest has hard work to solve every problem. Their main mission now to solve the server crash and lag issues. After this can come the bot cleaning event.
It would help a lot also if they NCwest for 1-2 months would block the character creation on the Naia and Chronos servers from the new players, just those player would create characters there who have already a character on these servers.
Although.. on the account "hacking" you have to go to phishing sites or somehow manage to get keyloggers, that's entirely on you. Out of the 8-9 years I've played online game, I have NEVER had any of my accounts stolen or "hacked".
There have been others, like you, saying that is must be the fault of the player. I've already seen a couple of those types come back to the forums later to announce they'd been hit and lost all their gear/money. I must admit that I took some degree of pleasure in reading their mea culpa. There have been way too many people reporting getting their account stolen for it all to be attributed to keyloggers, 3rd pty programs, etc.
So, there are some dudes that complain about dynasty,non atributed new comers ks 300att "veterans"? How the hell they can ks you?
Other people complain that some new comers are too aggresive. Wtf man this is not a hippie game. L2 is an agresive game, you need to Kill things(players/npc) in order to progress/have fun.
Lots of qq about private servers people using hacks, etc. Oh, Rly??? ALL 3rd pt software was/is made ESPECIALY for retail. The ones that create then don`t give a crap on private servers, in 99% cases they create them because it brings them some easy euros/dollars. I never soo a bot on my low rate server in 5 years of l2(perma hdd ban at login).First day i comed here, bots all over the place. Even on hight rates there are fewer bots then here(usualy 10-20 bots on a 600 players server), wich get banned in a couple of hours.
Some Einstein whanabe proposed to make iss buff aviable for lvl 85+ only. Dude you deserve a Nobel prize.
Now let`s see how can some1 lvl 1-84+ gets iss buffs, whisout partying a iss buffer:
1.He buys them from town. Any1 can do that, so if some1 whis iss buffs is ******* you off, go and buy some yourself.
2.He has buff pots/event scrolls. Any1 can get those from ncstore/event.
3.He is boxing a iss buffer. What`s stoping you from making one yourself?
4.He has mentor and you have newbie guide buffs.Sucks to be you, find yourself a mentor.
So it seems that one way or another every1 can get iss buffs. What`s all this f@ggotery about them? Why deny them for lvl 84- if any1 can get them?
There have been others, like you, saying that is must be the fault of the player. I've already seen a couple of those types come back to the forums later to announce they'd been hit and lost all their gear/money. I must admit that I took some degree of pleasure in reading their mea culpa. There have been way too many people reporting getting their account stolen for it all to be attributed to keyloggers, 3rd pty programs, etc.
If what you're implying is true, I think it would of come to light long ago.
So it seems that one way or another every1 can get iss buffs. What`s all this f@ggotery about them? Why deny them for lvl 84- if any1 can get them?
It makes the game incredibly easy. It's not a matter of so-and-so has these buffs and I/we don't. it makes buffers that aren't iss enchanters look like meatbags with minor heals and minor attack spells.
I know I don't just speak for myself, there are others, I for one enjoy the grind and don't really see the fun in going around 2-shotting mobs because you've got lvl85 buffs on a lvl45 character. I honestly think the adventurer buffs are incredible, more than enough to get the job done and ease a little bit of the pain, and if need be there's always milk.
But yeah, sorry for going a bit off-topic with this post.
If what you're implying is true, I think it would of come to light long ago.
It can take any amount of time to get hacked, it can happen to pretty much all long time mmo gamers eventually, may be even on games you no longer play but you just don't know because you haven't logged on for so long, I mean hell, long before this hacking, NCsoft sent me a message that they locked my Aion account sometime last year (that I quit after 1 month of it starting) because it has an unknown IP trying to log in/or did log in with it, yet I hadn't touched the game for ages and still hadn't visited any dodgy sites, downloaded any weird software or told anyone my password, you can take me saying this how ever you wish, but to be hacked, you don't need to do anything "dodgy", it just helps if you don't.
If what you're implying is true, I think it would of come to light long ago.
You don't have to take anyone's word for it, but you would be wise to be extra careful. I've talked to people in game that have been hit recently, seen long time posters to these boards hit, as well as the legions of newbies getting plowed. You'll even notice some long time posters have changed to alt forum accounts so as to avoid entering their game account password for logging into forums or some just change password every day now. If you want to just go with the whole "they must have been careless" routine then that's up to you, but you'd be well advised to use some extra care.
You don't have to take anyone's word for it, but you would be wise to be extra careful. I've talked to people in game that have been hit recently, seen long time posters to these boards hit, as well as the legions of newbies getting plowed. You'll even notice some long time posters have changed to alt forum accounts so as to avoid entering their game account password for logging into forums or some just change password every day now. If you want to just go with the whole "they must have been careless" routine then that's up to you, but you'd be well advised to use some extra care.
+1 I agree and anyone would be wise to be careful. Don't think for five 5 mins your accounts are safe. Logging into anything on this site is a risk. I am paranoid every single day to the point I screenshot my friggin inventory so often,change my passwords and do not click on anything linked in my emails or the forums.
You don't have to take anyone's word for it, but you would be wise to be extra careful. I've talked to people in game that have been hit recently, seen long time posters to these boards hit, as well as the legions of newbies getting plowed. You'll even notice some long time posters have changed to alt forum accounts so as to avoid entering their game account password for logging into forums or some just change password every day now. If you want to just go with the whole "they must have been careless" routine then that's up to you, but you'd be well advised to use some extra care.
I will take this into consideration. I mean, considering the publisher we're talking about... I may have to make am alt account and store some adena on there for emergency down the road, just to be safe. Or I may just login to forums with a new username, but that also gets blown out of the water when I have to login for path to awakening.
I totally agree with all your ideas. Everyone is walking around with ISS buffs, and due to again what you say about the community you have to pay for these buffs.
Something should be implemented to restrict certain levels below 85 from receiving these buffs.
If you don't like Iss buffs, grind with Newbie Helper buffs.
If you want free buffs, level up your own Iss and see if you wanna give free buffs to everyone IG.
Just because you don't have Iss Enchanter doesn't mean everyone else should be restricted which will never happen.
Another thing, I leveled my sws to 85 all by myself and sometimes I didn't even have mentor, I have to frind with WC buffs. But that's ok, nothing new. But now I have Iss so why shouldn't I use it?
To reply to the topic, you are overeacting a little bit and I will tell you the same thing I tell other people who claim they got "hacked" but didn't do anything. If the so called "hackers" can "****" in your account why don't they "****" rich people but lvl 30 chars? Why not me but you? Why you anyway?
Lineage 2 community is descent, WoW players are way more ******ed >.<
If you don't like Iss buffs, grind with Newbie Helper buffs.
If you want free buffs, level up your own Iss and see if you wanna give free buffs to everyone IG.
Just because you don't have Iss Enchanter doesn't mean everyone else should be restricted which will never happen.
Another thing, I leveled my sws to 85 all by myself and sometimes I didn't even have mentor, I have to frind with WC buffs. But that's ok, nothing new. But now I have Iss so why shouldn't I use it?
**** theres a lot of hate here of this game but skelton is right about these iss buffs its the bonus of having a high level char what about back in the day when you only got buffs off a buff either rl player or box none of these newbie buffs so tuff if you want iss buffs.
imo i think F2P has been the best thing that could of happened to L2 face it it was just about dead all server was light, yes it has brough of the pew pew pwned hero private server games who need to grow up but still at least it full and thriving again.
and people who get hacked are to blame obv not carefull enough
You don't have to take anyone's word for it, but you would be wise to be extra careful. I've talked to people in game that have been hit recently, seen long time posters to these boards hit, as well as the legions of newbies getting plowed. You'll even notice some long time posters have changed to alt forum accounts so as to avoid entering their game account password for logging into forums or some just change password every day now. If you want to just go with the whole "they must have been careless" routine then that's up to you, but you'd be well advised to use some extra care.
That doesn't prove anything though at all.
Trying to pass on that NCSoft was "selectively" hacked is rather silly.
If a person who was hacked because of using a bot or dodgy sites, then they wouldn't really be honest about it.
If you don't like Iss buffs, grind with Newbie Helper buffs.
If you want free buffs, level up your own Iss and see if you wanna give free buffs to everyone IG.
Just because you don't have Iss Enchanter doesn't mean everyone else should be restricted which will never happen.
Another thing, I leveled my sws to 85 all by myself and sometimes I didn't even have mentor, I have to frind with WC buffs. But that's ok, nothing new. But now I have Iss so why shouldn't I use it?
To reply to the topic, you are overeacting a little bit and I will tell you the same thing I tell other people who claim they got "hacked" but didn't do anything. If the so called "hackers" can "****" in your account why don't they "****" rich people but lvl 30 chars? Why not me but you? Why you anyway?
Lineage 2 community is descent, WoW players are way more ******ed >.<
I do have my own buffer & it costs me nothing to throw a heal or buff someones way.
I do have my own buffer & it costs me nothing to throw a heal or buff someones way.
Man seriously, I have buffed almost everyone who have asked me for buffs. It doesn't cost me anything like you said, except from my time which I don't owe it to anyone so noone can really make me buff someone just because I have an Iss. That's what I was trying to get through, that noone gave me a buffer, I worked my *** off for it to lvl asap so I can advance with my main and alts.
I even ask sometimes if people want buffs, sometimes I find myself asking bots LOL then I try to kill them cause they don't answer or talk when I heal their mobs. QQ
When Lineage 2 was pay to play, NCSOFT was actually professional and organized. Honestly, ever since free to play, NCSOFT has disappointed me with their poor response time and unprofessionalism. I guess they laid off their paid employees and hired on some volunteers.
You are all suggesting that the problem with ks-ing and stuff comes from the mentality of some vicious private server newcomers, like u r all angels and had a freakin' paradise here, on Earth, and now its gone, but neither of u considers the possibility that the reason might be the increased population of the servers - just raw concentrated numbers. You cant have a tutorial that points out one or two spots for 10k ppl and have things cool. Its just a size 40 shoe for a size 45 leg.
Those your "10k ppl" are lowbie newcomers levelling in the tutorial places :rolleyes:
Man seriously, I have buffed almost everyone who have asked me for buffs. It doesn't cost me anything like you said, except from my time which I don't owe it to anyone so noone can really make me buff someone just because I have an Iss. That's what I was trying to get through, that noone gave me a buffer, I worked my *** off for it to lvl asap so I can advance with my main and alts.
I even ask sometimes if people want buffs, sometimes I find myself asking bots LOL then I try to kill them cause they don't answer or talk when I heal their mobs. QQ
Again... No one gave me buffs nor mentor either. You just get on with things. But what the original post is saying, most of the community is rude and non helpful. Therefore you see people being charged for buffs and the mentoring. Which is shambolic. Of course you don't want to be bombarded with "buff" pm's... Because fact is thats what the pm's are. 70% of time there isn't even a "please". 1 Simple word is it so hard to say?
I've never actually had to play a game with such a poor excuse of a community in my life, the amount of people that coulden't care for anyone but them self is unreal, the amount of KSers is just a living joke and I think that's due to this screwed up PK system, people just get to run about everywhere with these annoying Iss buffs that just make everything OP to a pointless amount where squad mobs are able to be solo'd in a few seconds.
I really don't know where people get off on this game, but most the time it makes me sick to my stomach, e.g you're killing a mob, they will sprint up to it from what ever distance just to get the last hit kill for the quest like the biggest **** hole you've ever seen, other times they will just simply start hitting the mob that you've already downed half it's health, most the time it tends to be an archer, will full buffs, just walks up to it, crits the rest of it's health down and carrys on as normal, I mean seriously wtf? my last game was perfect world, that games a real stink hole yet people actually respect the "first person to hit the mob owns it" kinda rule, instead here it's just "idgaf, no one will pk anyone, my damage is better than yours and I'm doing a quest", unsurprising since I'm an EE with a mediocre nuke and no mentor/iss buffs.
Then there's the gold sellers/hackers everywhere, I got hacked a few days ago, still I kept my chin up after being wiped clean and began to make some funds on my other char to get my main funded with bssa's, spirit ore etc, when I discovered my char at talking island at the warehouse npc, I see other chars at times there, some in clans, with no gear at all, stood near 1-2 other level 1 chars, obviously having their char wiped clean, yesturday I saw 3 different chars there having the gear took off and eventually log off minutes later.
This game needs to do what innova did with bots and let us do the bot check system on them, they need to upgrade security on these servers, perhaps actually give us a second code in game where you can't take any gear off until you put in the code, same with the warehouse, or just simply give us a password to enter the private warehouse, they need to fix this PK system or something as the KS'ers on this game is just...100% disgusting.
/rant
Cry mode on ? :D
U mad ? :D
I don't know for you but I get pretty decent PvPs out of this :P
Party vs party and then listen to QQ rants :D (we weren't ready T_T) :D
and people who get hacked are to blame obv not carefull enough
QQ much ta ta
kev
You're to obvious of being a Troll mate, I can't wait till the day you get hacked then you'll be "but I waz carefulz!", just so someone can respond with "no you wernt, QQ much.".
If a person who was hacked because of using a bot or dodgy sites, then they wouldn't really be honest about it.
Yeah of course they won't say "yes I visited these adena ****/bot **** websites so I got hacked" *sad face*, there's something wrong with some people such as your self that simply think that they got hacked due to "suspicious" activity, this is the only game I've ever been hacked on in such a short amount of time as well and I've been playing MMO's for about 6-7 years and never done illegal activity or even stolen items from a friend that lent me his account on another game, simply because I'm not a tool.
I've never actually had to play a game with such a poor excuse of a community in my life, the amount of people that coulden't care for anyone but them self is unreal, the amount of KSers is just a living joke and I think that's due to this screwed up PK system, people just get to run about everywhere with these annoying Iss buffs that just make everything OP to a pointless amount where squad mobs are able to be solo'd in a few seconds.
I really don't know where people get off on this game, but most the time it makes me sick to my stomach, e.g you're killing a mob, they will sprint up to it from what ever distance just to get the last hit kill for the quest like the biggest **** hole you've ever seen, other times they will just simply start hitting the mob that you've already downed half it's health, most the time it tends to be an archer, will full buffs, just walks up to it, crits the rest of it's health down and carrys on as normal, I mean seriously wtf? my last game was perfect world, that games a real stink hole yet people actually respect the "first person to hit the mob owns it" kinda rule, instead here it's just "idgaf, no one will pk anyone, my damage is better than yours and I'm doing a quest", unsurprising since I'm an EE with a mediocre nuke and no mentor/iss buffs.
Then there's the gold sellers/hackers everywhere, I got hacked a few days ago, still I kept my chin up after being wiped clean and began to make some funds on my other char to get my main funded with bssa's, spirit ore etc, when I discovered my char at talking island at the warehouse npc, I see other chars at times there, some in clans, with no gear at all, stood near 1-2 other level 1 chars, obviously having their char wiped clean, yesturday I saw 3 different chars there having the gear took off and eventually log off minutes later.
This game needs to do what innova did with bots and let us do the bot check system on them, they need to upgrade security on these servers, perhaps actually give us a second code in game where you can't take any gear off until you put in the code, same with the warehouse, or just simply give us a password to enter the private warehouse, they need to fix this PK system or something as the KS'ers on this game is just...100% disgusting.
/rant
All that you are saying, are in line and in proportion to the quality of the company that runs this game in the western part of the world!!!
Whoever doesn't like this game or NCSoft company then by all means he's free to make his own private server and serve the people. Enough with the complains you people are ignorant and arrogant. You want everything but you are not willing to commit. You want buffs but you are not willing to make your own buffer. You hate it when being KSed because an archer on full buffs just 2 shots everything, yet you cry because he has buffs and you want NCSoft to restrict people from buffing their own characters? I mean, when NCSoft reads posts like these, they either LOL or ignore everything else for the rest of the day.
Whoever doesn't like this game or NCSoft company then by all means he's free to make his own private server and serve the people. Enough with the complains you people are ignorant and arrogant. You want everything but you are not willing to commit. You want buffs but you are not willing to make your own buffer. You hate it when being KSed because an archer on full buffs just 2 shots everything, yet you cry because he has buffs and you want NCSoft to restrict people from buffing their own characters? I mean, when NCSoft reads posts like these, they either LOL or ignore everything else for the rest of the day.
Enough said. You deserve nothing more.
You would have a point if your lack of analytical thinking didn't force you to oversimplify things in the absence of arguements.
I've never actually had to play a game with such a poor excuse of a community in my life, the amount of people that coulden't care for anyone but them self is unreal, the amount of KSers is just a living joke and I think that's due to this screwed up PK system, people just get to run about everywhere with these annoying Iss buffs that just make everything OP to a pointless amount where squad mobs are able to be solo'd in a few seconds.
I really don't know where people get off on this game, but most the time it makes me sick to my stomach, e.g you're killing a mob, they will sprint up to it from what ever distance just to get the last hit kill for the quest like the biggest **** hole you've ever seen, other times they will just simply start hitting the mob that you've already downed half it's health, most the time it tends to be an archer, will full buffs, just walks up to it, crits the rest of it's health down and carrys on as normal, I mean seriously wtf? my last game was perfect world, that games a real stink hole yet people actually respect the "first person to hit the mob owns it" kinda rule, instead here it's just "idgaf, no one will pk anyone, my damage is better than yours and I'm doing a quest", unsurprising since I'm an EE with a mediocre nuke and no mentor/iss buffs.
Then there's the gold sellers/hackers everywhere, I got hacked a few days ago, still I kept my chin up after being wiped clean and began to make some funds on my other char to get my main funded with bssa's, spirit ore etc, when I discovered my char at talking island at the warehouse npc, I see other chars at times there, some in clans, with no gear at all, stood near 1-2 other level 1 chars, obviously having their char wiped clean, yesturday I saw 3 different chars there having the gear took off and eventually log off minutes later.
This game needs to do what innova did with bots and let us do the bot check system on them, they need to upgrade security on these servers, perhaps actually give us a second code in game where you can't take any gear off until you put in the code, same with the warehouse, or just simply give us a password to enter the private warehouse, they need to fix this PK system or something as the KS'ers on this game is just...100% disgusting.
/rant
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
This game is full of nothing but jerks, ********, and people who rather prove themselves in a game because they made nothing out of their lives.
Of course not everyone is like that..... but its like more than 75% of the game is a pompous ksing, egotistical, *********. And with the PK system the way it is, u cant even defend urself.. smh
Trying to pass on that NCSoft was "selectively" hacked is rather silly.
If a person who was hacked because of using a bot or dodgy sites, then they wouldn't really be honest about it.
As I said to the last guy, do what you want, advice is free and you're free not to take it. Those that instantly chant "3rd pty prog, malware, blah blah" have as much proof to back their claims as I have to back up my assertion.
The announcements say to report any weird/funky activity, goldsellers, etc... Yet the petition system remains inactive, and I have yet to see or hear of an online GM.
Here's my 2 cents and 5 screenshots worth for BARTZ server. I would post more, but I know for d@mn sure nothing will be done. Even if so, more will come, and it will take someone like me to report them before anything is done once again.
If it doesn't get better, NCsoft will have really filled the shoes of many-a-rumor about caring for only P2P servers. Why host a server if you aren't going to give a sh|t about it?
Okay so my Lineage 2 account was hacked I suspect, NCsoft will will not get back to me where if my account was hacked or not, or if someone else accessed it, and they still decline to restore items lost and say they will only give a bound set of armor which isn't even for my class and will not get me anywhere in the game.
As I can't copy/paste communications of GM's their response was simple, We can only give you a bound set of armor, we can't restore your items, and yet they have admit that it was their fault pretty much by saying they are implimenting a secondary password system, and on top of all of this, they ask me if they can do anything else for me. There were at least 2 +8 Weapons stolen from my bank, other items, and fully enchanted armor which would be worth 155+ Million in Adena which I can't get back, and won't even bother trying to play Lineage 2 again because who knows even if I spent months getting all my items back to exactly what they were who says I will be protected from this again.
What I want is simple Find the person who did this recover my items how much is that to ask for a customer that has been with NCsoft since 2006. As for a Trojan/Keylogger my pc did not have one.
Also I have started making posts about my entire experience in this whole matter on external blogs, and will post a response saying that I finally got Customer Service to fix my account, otherwise I am telling people to avoid Lineage 2 at all costs outside of these forums to be honest, I love Lineage 2, I have been a fan of it for many years in lots of different ways, but I honestly believe that Customer Service needs to be improved, they need to hire people who can actually protect peoples accounts keep proper back-up's, and restore those items whose accounts were ripped off/loss of items when the game went Free 2 play which wasn't only me. It is also not likely that we all got a Trojan, or Keylogger at the same exact time either.
Lineage 2 Seriously needs fixing from all of these bots, and hackers but will they give customers better service is the real question.
Okay so my Lineage 2 account was hacked I suspect, NCsoft will will not get back to me where if my account was hacked or not, or if someone else accessed it, and they still decline to restore items lost and say they will only give a bound set of armor which isn't even for my class and will not get me anywhere in the game.
As I can't copy/paste communications of GM's their response was simple, We can only give you a bound set of armor, we can't restore your items, and yet they have admit that it was their fault pretty much by saying they are implimenting a secondary password system, and on top of all of this, they ask me if they can do anything else for me. There were at least 2 +8 Weapons stolen from my bank, other items, and fully enchanted armor which would be worth 155+ Million in Adena which I can't get back, and won't even bother trying to play Lineage 2 again because who knows even if I spent months getting all my items back to exactly what they were who says I will be protected from this again.
What I want is simple Find the person who did this recover my items how much is that to ask for a customer that has been with NCsoft since 2006. As for a Trojan/Keylogger my pc did not have one.
Also I have started making posts about my entire experience in this whole matter on external blogs, and will post a response saying that I finally got Customer Service to fix my account, otherwise I am telling people to avoid Lineage 2 at all costs outside of these forums to be honest, I love Lineage 2, I have been a fan of it for many years in lots of different ways, but I honestly believe that Customer Service needs to be improved, they need to hire people who can actually protect peoples accounts keep proper back-up's, and restore those items whose accounts were ripped off/loss of items when the game went Free 2 play which wasn't only me. It is also not likely that we all got a Trojan, or Keylogger at the same exact time either.
Lineage 2 Seriously needs fixing from all of these bots, and hackers but will they give customers better service is the real question.
Did you use the path to awakening on any toons on that account recently?
In my whole 7.5+ years L2 carrier, i saw only 2 big massive bannwaves and the time HGMSpamm was cleaning ingame bots. Everybody was happy to see him around. But it didnt last long before he quitted job at NCsoft or got fired. Dunno from the 2.
nc never realy care .. and HGSpam was in charge when the botting got realy whorse and many ppl quit because of that kind of cheating. No reason at all to glorify those long gone days and no reason at all to think of HGSpam as legend.
Did you use the path to awakening on any toons on that account recently?
Yes I logged into the path to awakening website once to see if I could get it on my characters, however as my characters were made before the system was in place and already over level 50 I was not able to use it. However I do wonder if that system had some type of exploit that allowed a hacker to get my information or something because again I left my account idle for years since like around 2008 I last tried it and I was never hacked until after this game went F2P, and none of my items went missing until after it went F2P, I just went to login 1 day all my characters items gone, including some things in my bank.
If this is the issue I would like NCsoft to simply restore my account which is not impossible to do they are just being *****y about it. I mean I wonder if my Aion account will get hacked too when it goes Free 2 play, but that game does have a secondary password so I doubt it at least it will be harder.
The problem I see is that NCsoft support seems to refuse to actually retore or provide actual customer service. They think that restoring a Bound BW set on a Sorcerer account will be enough to get me started back when I had full +3 set of armors non bound, and two +8 weapons that went missing that were also not bound, and after all this was gone I have nothing not enough to even buy another full non bound +3 set again and a +8 weapon which costs at least 155 Million if not more I remember when I first bought all my stuff enchanted it I spend over 250 million total, and now all of that work is gone, NCsoft wants me to start over again, and I simply am not going to do that they need to find out what happend, add a secondary password and resolve the issue, and I do not want to hear lies that it can't be done because if they keep account history like they should and logs they should be able to see exactly where my stuff went, what happend to it and restore it. Also even if that were not possible I know that a GM with the right ability has server settings to do something like /summon (Item Name) add the enchant stats back and get the items back, but why they wont fix this is just beyond me, as I have never had my items go missing any time in the past except the time one of my set sells way back glitched, and it wasn't sold as a set.
let me be clear. i ks. ****. i dont eve kill mobs i just ks. why the answer is simple places are crowded and there are not enough mobs. and im sorry but i refuse to queue in a game. i play to have fun not to be ordered around and wait (its enough with the login). and yes i may be mean but i get the lols out of the QQ - (im pretty sure most of you do aswell.)
i have KS and have been KS. and most prolly will be again.
There is a new rule people need to be aware. its KS or be KS. And for me its part of the fun :D
(stop the QQ because i know both sides of the stick as i play a nuker and a tank) and you just need to have fun.
let me be clear. i ks. ****. i dont eve kill mobs i just ks. why the answer is simple places are crowded and there are not enough mobs. and im sorry but i refuse to queue in a game. i play to have fun not to be ordered around and wait (its enough with the login). and yes i may be mean but i get the lols out of the QQ - (im pretty sure most of you do aswell.)
i have KS and have been KS. and most prolly will be again.
There is a new rule people need to be aware. its KS or be KS. And for me its part of the fun :D
(stop the QQ because i know both sides of the stick as i play a nuker and a tank) and you just need to have fun.
If your not having fun. your doing it wrong.
By ksing you do realize you end up getting less xp/sp if you had killed the mob yourself. And to the person you ksed it would likely irritate them that you are taking away from their kills. Go to another area that isn't a daily quest spot and xp and kill your own mobs and quit being a nooblet
1st you are assuming im a nooblet. (which i may or may not be). assuming is always wrong.
2nd. the daily if done in the correct timespan most prolly give you more exp than grinding (in the same timespan). therefore if the quest item is what im after. the exp that i get or dont from a mob is a non factor.
3rd at medium lvls (75+) there are limited grinding places. those places are most of the time full and very few mobs. therefore getting to the mob and killing it its in itself a race. and competitions tend to be fun. (i know that losing can impact the fun factor but you may get motivated to be better/reroll/get help)
4th as im most of the time purple when doing it. i get the extra lols if people actually attack me. (you see im fare as i give them the opportunity to retaliate). some times i get killed. (which decreased the lol value) but sometimes i kill them (which increased the lol factor)
1st you are assuming im a nooblet. (which i may or may not be). assuming is always wrong.
2nd. the daily if done in the correct timespan most prolly give you more exp than grinding (in the same timespan). therefore if the quest item is what im after. the exp that i get or dont from a mob is a non factor.
3rd at medium lvls (75+) there are limited grinding places. those places are most of the time full and very few mobs. therefore getting to the mob and killing it its in itself a race. and competitions tend to be fun. (i know that losing can impact the fun factor but you may get motivated to be better/reroll/get help)
4th as im most of the time purple when doing it. i get the extra lols if people actually attack me. (you see im fare as i give them the opportunity to retaliate). some times i get killed. (which decreased the lol value) but sometimes i kill them (which increased the lol factor)
Most of your arguments are only valid for ranged classes.
1st you are assuming im a nooblet. (which i may or may not be). assuming is always wrong.
2nd. the daily if done in the correct timespan most prolly give you more exp than grinding (in the same timespan). therefore if the quest item is what im after. the exp that i get or dont from a mob is a non factor.
3rd at medium lvls (75+) there are limited grinding places. those places are most of the time full and very few mobs. therefore getting to the mob and killing it its in itself a race. and competitions tend to be fun. (i know that losing can impact the fun factor but you may get motivated to be better/reroll/get help)
4th as im most of the time purple when doing it. i get the extra lols if people actually attack me. (you see im fare as i give them the opportunity to retaliate). some times i get killed. (which decreased the lol value) but sometimes i kill them (which increased the lol factor)
First learn some spelling and grammar
Second The daily and how you are doing it is not efficient. ksing a mob may or may not add to your count. By being flagged allowing for a pk you probably lost a good amount of the quest reward because you died genius. The xp you get is a factor in leveling doofus.
Thirdly 75+ players have many options besides solo. open your map and check the hunting zones by level. Here's a few
FoG-party
MoS-party
Giant's cave-party
Imperial tomb-party
Crypts of Disgrace-party/AoE
Please point my grammar/spelling errors as that is the only way i can learn/correct them. Also if your going all grammar **** on me or anybody else for that matter, should learn to use punctuation ;)
Leveling is part of the fun. And flagging come with its risks. You being clearly afraid of losing 4% wont ever understand the thrill that comes from dying/killing. It fun really. you should try to do it even it its against the odds.
Did you noticed all your leveling places are party oriented. Have you tried to get party as a necromancer? Let me tell you some classes are not welcome in parties. therefore leveling is harder (not that i care).
Also even if there are 1000 leveling zones. if 999 are no good. (no good exp/time ratio) where do you think people will flock? Should i go to the not so good zones so that other people think im behaving?
Finally no. you don't need to be ranged to KS. you need to position yourself right and time your skills. And yes indeed it takes more time than a non ranged class.
Unless my memory fails, logs are only kept for 2 weeks for individual accounts.
Well I responded like no more than 3 days after my account was hacked because I just played it nto that long ago before it was noticed all the items missing not even sure if it was hacked they wont even tell me but thats all I can think of unless a GM did it or server error.
So really they had plenty of time to get back to it, unless of course the holidays prevented them from getting back in which logs should be kept for at least 6 months to a year or at least a month, but they had the chance to take care of this.
Originally Posted by Retribution
Did you use the path to awakening on any toons on that account recently?
Yes I did not sure if that had anything to do with it, but it said my character was not eligable for the rewards because it was already past 50, so I didn't get anything.
Wow some very poor theories in this thread. It's not the players. They are the same players you find in every game. It's the poor game design that causes the problems.
1. The game discourages players from working together. How many quests do you know of that are shared among party members? Hardly any are shared. So people fight for the last hit. They have to because of my second point.
2. The game encourages antisocial behavior by forcing players to compete over very limited resources such as mob and their drops. Have you ever noticed how sparse the mobs are in most areas? Have you ever noticed all of the empty areas around the map where monsters could be placed? If properly populated with mobs, the server could be much more accommodating for everyone.
3. I think their intention was to make us fight over 1 and 2. Of course that doesn't work when you excessively penalize players for something you encourage through game design. Instead everyone ends up griefing each other because they don't want to be the red guy. They don't want to ruin their character just to kill someone that will come back in 2 minutes.
I played this game before it went F2P and the same thing happened. It just happened less frequently because there were less players. If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at the developers in Korea that probably don't care what western players think about the game anyway. If you are mad about hackers and gold sellers look at NCWEST and the lack of action on their part. I've reported dozens of bots, but never have I seen one get banned. Always obvious bots that will follow trails of items/gold, or get stuck on terrain while trying to attack a mob.
At one point the entire world was populated with mobs. Then C1 hit and they moved mobs out of the random outbacks and just put them in concentrated areas. More than likely due to the increasing size of the world and the strain on the NPC server.
The announcements say to report any weird/funky activity, goldsellers, etc... Yet the petition system remains inactive, and I have yet to see or hear of an online GM.
Here's my 2 cents and 5 screenshots worth for BARTZ server. I would post more, but I know for d@mn sure nothing will be done. Even if so, more will come, and it will take someone like me to report them before anything is done once again.
If it doesn't get better, NCsoft will have really filled the shoes of many-a-rumor about caring for only P2P servers. Why host a server if you aren't going to give a sh|t about it?
Well I responded like no more than 3 days after my account was hacked because I just played it nto that long ago before it was noticed all the items missing not even sure if it was hacked they wont even tell me but thats all I can think of unless a GM did it or server error.
I sent a ticket not even 12 hours after I got hacked, they responded saying they will look into it, couple hours later I got the same copy/paste message every hacked player gets, that they can't do anything because the logs no longer exist, total crap if you ask me.
let me be clear. i ks. ****. i dont eve kill mobs i just ks. why the answer is simple places are crowded and there are not enough mobs. and im sorry but i refuse to queue in a game. i play to have fun not to be ordered around and wait (its enough with the login). and yes i may be mean but i get the lols out of the QQ - (im pretty sure most of you do aswell.)
i have KS and have been KS. and most prolly will be again.
There is a new rule people need to be aware. its KS or be KS. And for me its part of the fun :D
(stop the QQ because i know both sides of the stick as i play a nuker and a tank) and you just need to have fun.
If your not having fun. your doing it wrong.
You say that there isn't enough mobs, OK I can understand in specific areas, like wall of argos during certain times when there's loads of people doing it, I usually wait till night time at my time zone to do it as there is generally less people, or even when I wake up a couple hours before the reset to do it, there is easy work arounds, or I share a decent populated area with 1-2 people that aren't a total *** hat, the area like the swamps has loads of mobs so KS isn't needed, yet people still do it just to be a royal pain.
I play as a healer and a tanker alt so I also know both sides of it, yet I still never KS people unless I see them deliberately doing it to me several times, I remember on my tank alt doing the quest for the 2nd transfer where you got to kill the 3 quest "bosses", the second one right before the big bugger, I was waiting for it to respawn and some elf healer came up, started to watch me attack it, right before it died, she just last hit it, spoke to the NPC and ran off...now I thought that was cheap as hell and thought should I PK her *** or just attack her and see if she flags back, I just thought bugger it and wait for it to respawn, I kill it, go to the last lil boss, see her there attacking it and see her die, I lold so hard, she even asked for me to res her, I told her to get stuffed for being a last hitting *****.
I sent a ticket not even 12 hours after I got hacked, they responded saying they will look into it, couple hours later I got the same copy/paste message every hacked player gets, that they can't do anything because the logs no longer exist, total crap if you ask me.
You say that there isn't enough mobs, OK I can understand in specific areas, like wall of argos during certain times when there's loads of people doing it, I usually wait till night time at my time zone to do it as there is generally less people, or even when I wake up a couple hours before the reset to do it, there is easy work arounds, or I share a decent populated area with 1-2 people that aren't a total *** hat, the area like the swamps has loads of mobs so KS isn't needed, yet people still do it just to be a royal pain.
I play as a healer and a tanker alt so I also know both sides of it, yet I still never KS people unless I see them deliberately doing it to me several times, I remember on my tank alt doing the quest for the 2nd transfer where you got to kill the 3 quest "bosses", the second one right before the big bugger, I was waiting for it to respawn and some elf healer came up, started to watch me attack it, right before it died, she just last hit it, spoke to the NPC and ran off...now I thought that was cheap as hell and thought should I PK her *** or just attack her and see if she flags back, I just thought bugger it and wait for it to respawn, I kill it, go to the last lil boss, see her there attacking it and see her die, I lold so hard, she even asked for me to res her, I told her to get stuffed for being a last hitting *****.
Yeah I had that happen to me when making an alt toon. It was almost dead and an archer crit it and finished it off and I had to do it all over again. I think those should be like an instance so that doesn't happen. This way it's all yours and it can't be ks'd from you