1) Were the players who exploited the past month and a half permanently banned? Eg the Bregan/AKIN ally on Chronos?
2) If they were not, are you planning on resetting them back to L85 with 0 skills trained and 0 xp/sp? similar to what you did with the Mastery Book Exploit on naia?
3) Has the ban policy changed since GoD went live? compared to what it was before in High5?
Care to share the exploit. At least if they don't get banned you can share it with others to catch up with these powermongers.
Were others punished on the other servers for the exploit ?
cheers
From Innova forum:
"Case: Error in Spezion instance zone. Possible enter without instance zone time delay.
Description: It’s forbidden to enter the instance zone not having “Fragments of Memory”. It’s forbidden to invite “last slot” members to the party before entering the Orbis Temple being in the Genesis Garden location.
Penalty: 7 day blocking of all characters participating in the raid. Seizure of items received as a result of such a raid. "
Well if you look at the museum stats people like Hypnocrit and most of Enmity did this raid 40-90 times in the past 26 days. That is considerable profit and XP, I would hope NCSoft doesnt discount this in their administration. 7 day ban is really nothing when you factor in the billions of xp and adena gained through unlegit means.
We saw a good step towards this with when they fixed the mastery exploit on Naia. It was a temp ban but they also untrained all skills on these chars and set SP to 0 as a punishment.
Just so people keep the rewards of this raid in perspective and understand the magnitude of how bad a cheat this was, the boss gives 1b xp and apo full weapon drops.
Just so people keep the rewards of this raid in perspective and understand the magnitude of how bad a cheat this was, the boss gives 1b xp and apo full weapon drops.
Well you look at people like hypnocrit who who made at least 97 billion exploiting that raid nevermind the ridiculous amount of apo weapon drops / BEAR / Destruction R grade scrolls etc.
Essentially NCSoft needs to roll back a billion XP for each time they did the raid then extract gear value out of their accounts.
Weird, I only see 20 runs on Museum.
It's at Raid/Spezion, right? I read that Innova has hundreds of kills there, compared to that we're still good to go. :D
The instance isn't 1b xp and the cooldown for it is only 4 hours, easy to do 2-3 runs a day. Most of the people in that list have been 90+ for a few weeks so other than hypnocrit and zoeyLJ I really doubt anyone mass exploited it.
since the instance is 90 + its fair to reset all ppl that exploited the raid to 90 lvl
ncsoft cant do that. Every player that gets their xp reset can simple claim they had no idea it was an exploit since ncsoft never said anything before
they will not start a poll about what's applicable punishment for a specific exploit. And yes realistically, an exploit like this can't be fully remedied, somebody that did Spezion 100 times and got 20 Apo weapons, auctioned them off then bought R95 or enchants or whatever is pretty much impossible to be reset back to pre-exploit, much less when we 're talking about 50-60 people like that.
When people on naia exploited the mastery books for +27 skills ncsoft gave them a short ban, then untrained all their skills and left them with 0 sp as a lesson.
IMO taking away all the XP they earned equal to the number of raids they did / untraining skills learned with the sp gained and removing gear sounds like a good idea tbh.
Just because it seems complicated in the way they laundered their ill gotten gains doesnt mean ncsoft should go gently when extracting punishiment.
SHould just untrain their skills drop SP to 0, remove hero status if applicable, strip the chars (follow items moved off their toons to safe accounts logged in by their ip) and remove the raid xp gained from spezison.
They should all be banned permanently in my honest opinion, this is a fairly extreme bug that effects the entire balance of the server. They should have known better. But I don't think it's "50-60" people, it looks like about 10-14 who may have abused it -- the top 3 in musuem under the Spezion raid quite obviously (Hypnocrite, waves, and Amateil). However given they've been doing it as a clan and if they're selling those items, that gives them quite an edge.
The point is they knew what they were doing and decided the reward was worth the risk. We are not talking about stupid people that fell into a crater full of XP and weapons, they knew exactly what they were doing was working an exploit and they told others so they could do it also. Those that jumped on the band wagon and used the exploit wanted more than they would normally get. They also felt the reward from the exploit was worth the risk.
They got caught and should pay the ultimate price. Delete all the accounts associated with these exploits, they decided to break the rules.
There is no rehabilitation in this crime and the time to sort through the database to remove the exploited rewards would be a waste of resources.
What are the level requirements for it? Level 90 and once a day is what it is supposed to be right? But it's actually any level and every 4 hours right now?
I think it's still level 90 ( I could be wrong though ), but it's 4 hour timer (Supposed to be reset every morning).
Additionally all party members are supposed to have items (Frightening/Terrifying Memory Fragments) to enter as well, from hunting in Prison of Darkness (instanced dungeon), which I think is bugged as well.
It is!!!
Mostly by SH and their puppies SL.
I'm not from SH/SL side but according to the museum only one group did Spezion 20 times per last days. It can be suspicious.
All other groups did Spezion 1-2 times per day.
Museum Statistics renew every day at 6.30.
If you are legit you can go Spezion instance only every 4 hour.
Perma ban them, it's people like these that make NC look bad and the community look like trash aswell.
NC and the community IS trash. This is nothing compared to the unnoticed amount of exploits and continous botting in L2's history. The individuals got their punishment, go back to playing the game and the crying can continue once you've all found more to cry about.
Just so people keep the rewards of this raid in perspective and understand the magnitude of how bad a cheat this was, the boss gives 1b xp and apo full weapon drops.
Not factoring in party bonus either.
Boss gave 315m XP (460m with XP rune)... often dropped nothing.
Well you look at people like hypnocrit who who made at least 97 billion exploiting that raid nevermind the ridiculous amount of apo weapon drops / BEAR / Destruction R grade scrolls etc.
Essentially NCSoft needs to roll back a billion XP for each time they did the raid then extract gear value out of their accounts.
Did not drop any BEAR or Destruction scrolls of any kind.. an occasional EWR. Again, boss often dropped nothing.
What are the level requirements for it? Level 90 and once a day is what it is supposed to be right? But it's actually any level and every 4 hours right now?
lvl90 and it resets every 4 hours under the current set up and could be completed at least 5 times a day in for the 30-days we have been 90 is potentially 150 times. There was no exploit use as it is currently setup and if it was in fact supposed to be once per day then an announcement should have been made rather than banning anyone.
This reminds me of back in 2007 when OJ Simpson was found guilty and got 30+ years for armed robbery, his own sports memorabilia, and unlawful detaining. Yeah, he got away with double murder in 1995... but the system got him in the end.
So, don't come to the forums talking about how innocent all those banned players are, just playing within the system BS. Everyone knows it ain't so.
lvl90 and it resets every 4 hours under the current set up and could be completed at least 5 times a day in for the 30-days we have been 90 is potentially 150 times. There was no exploit use as it is currently setup and if it was in fact supposed to be once per day then an announcement should have been made rather than banning anyone.
i have done spezion maybe 4/5 times in whole **** month so i obviously didnt exploit it
but /instancezone ingame says spezion has 4h reuse i dont care what site says
if u do it legit u can enter every 4h. the diff is some people entered constantly they just got them self around the 4h reuse time.
thats the problem here 4h reuse isnt the problem being able to go in and out like u can with teredor. thats the deal here now u guys quit moanin at people who say its still exploit to enter every 4h
On naia one group from redsky clan start using this exploit to farm Spezion 3 time/day.
bug? we did it some days twice and some days we didnt even kill it, and u dont need bug to do on the 4h reuse.
I'm not from SH/SL side but according to the museum only one group did Spezion 20 times per last days. It can be suspicious.
All other groups did Spezion 1-2 times per day.
Museum Statistics renew every day at 6.30.
If you are legit you can go Spezion instance only every 4 hour.
"did Spezion 20 times per last days" are u raging or what? we killed it 20 times in the last 3WEEKS, not 2 days. see below for reuse.
bug? we did it some days twice and some days we didnt even kill it, and u dont need bug to do on the 4h reuse.
"did Spezion 20 times per last days" are u raging or what? we killed it 20 times in the last 3WEEKS, not 2 days. see below for reuse.
This screen is taken from INGAME ITEM "Goddess Of Destruction Guide Level 85-99" http://puu.sh/eH6Y
"once every 4 hours"
would you like me to fraps killing it and do /instancezone at the end of the fraps for you?
No one is disputing what it says in-game, that's well known. They're multiple exploits and misinformation however.
You are not supposed to enter without the proper items. It is NOT supposed to be 4 hours, at least from what I've read on Innova boards and the official patch notes (They're many in-game errors, not limited to this). You are not supposed to be able to enter prior to level 90 (Which I found out people are abusing as well). And you are not supposed to be able to enter repeatedly.
Stop focusing on one issue to make yourself feel better about the entire situation. Even if -you- didn't exploit it, it doesn't mean it wasn't exploited. The fact is they're a number of people exploiting 1 or more of these issues. If you sincerely do not feel you exploited it, then that's totally okay -- I'm not going to say you did. But the fact is there is a chunk of people, across all servers here and on Innova, who have.
You guys should have played it safe regardless however, as most people did, given the patch notes were pretty clear in the limitations of every raid.
You are not supposed to enter without the proper items. You are not supposed to be able to enter prior to level 90.
ok this is correct, and its fixed on the .kr servers as far as i know
It is NOT supposed to be 4 hours, at least from what I've read on Innova boards and the official patch notes (They're many in-game errors, not limited to this. And you are not supposed to be able to enter repeatedly.
WRONG, this IS how it works in .kr.
also note the the "PATCH NOTES" if you read them, are subject to changes (c) Sace/NCSoft.
Also your saying the INGAME is incorrect, but INFACT its the WEBSITE thats showing wrong information, Sace etc have admited before to Error(s) description info on the site and have been correcting them. The INGAME Guide is RAW from .kr, the guide and site from .kr also say 4h
The Spezion information on http://www.lineage2.com/en/game/patch-notes/goddess-of-destruction/bosses/ IS WRONG, i will msg Sace also as it seems NCSoft still hasnt edited this patch note page to show correct information.
Stop focusing on one issue to make yourself feel better about the entire situation. Even if -you- didn't exploit it, it doesn't mean it wasn't exploited. The fact is they're a number of people exploiting 1 or more of these issues. If you sincerely do not feel you exploited it, then that's totally okay -- I'm not going to say you did. But the fact is there is a chunk of people, across all servers here and on Innova, who have.
not trying to make my self feel better over a game. just defending my grp, we are not abusing the port that it seems Chrono people used, we doing it on the LEGIT 4h reuse some days, that fact it your claims are incorrect, so your agrument is also incorrect.
Wonder how many people waving their pitchforks have taken advantage of the mentee certificate bug (no you're not supposed to be able to use it on another toon other than the lvl 40 even if the game allows you to) for infinite gear and soulshots, used LA for the castspeed bug, had their wards taken to a safe zone and enjoyed buying cheap enchant weapons due to bugs in the events or any number of other exploits ingame.
You wanna cry because someone did over 60 spez in a month, go look at ebil and her group's xp in naia, now that's something worth crying bout, instead of wasting time on people that are already being punished.
You guys should have played it safe regardless however, as most people did, given the patch notes were pretty clear in the limitations of every raid.
Patch notes are wrong, and so the info release on site was using these wrong notes, look at how many errors on site about GOD update Sace as already had fixed, they even had to say sorry a few times.
as it's very easy for GM's to check the logs how often the raid has been killed and how much XP each member received per kill just subtract that much xp from their chars as gotten "illegally" and ignore the can not go past 0% level restriction..
same can be done by checking what happened with the item drops but most likely those got pumped throu the trade system so imo just take away the gear from the chars that abused the exploit..
as said before by other posters major exploits of this nature have happen before like the +30 skills and NC Soft did perma ban the ring leaders and reset all skills to zero of those that benefited from the exploit so there's no reason they can not do so again.
ok this is correct, and its fixed on the .kr servers as far as i know
WRONG, this IS how it works in .kr.
also note the the "PATCH NOTES" if you read them, are subject to changes (c) Sace/NCSoft.
Also your saying the INGAME is incorrect, but INFACT its the WEBSITE thats showing wrong information, Sace etc have admited before to Error(s) description info on the site and have been correcting them. The INGAME Guide is RAW from .kr, the guide and site from .kr also say 4h
The Spezion information on http://www.lineage2.com/en/game/patch-notes/goddess-of-destruction/bosses/ IS WRONG, i will msg Sace also as it seems NCSoft still hasnt edited this patch note page to show correct information.
not trying to make my self feel better over a game. just defending my grp, we are not abusing the port that it seems Chrono people used, we doing it on the LEGIT 4h reuse some days, that fact it your claims are incorrect, so your agrument is also incorrect.
Then if you guys are doing the legitimate part, hopefully you don't get banned or didn't get banned (And if you did get banned, make a point to provide the above information). Like I understand I may come off as mean, but it's hard to determine who abused it and who didn't -- it's just a lot easier to be blunt, than it is to be nice in this scenario given the reputation of the community.
Sadly if you guys entered without the quest items, even if ignorant of that fact, you can get banned for it and that's because people have a tendency to lie. Introducing that variable gives most people a way out. It'd be a lot easier if most people are honest.
I apologize though on the 4h misconception. They definitely need to update that then. But I hope you understand where I'm coming from too.
Then if you guys are doing the legitimate part, hopefully you don't get banned or didn't get banned (And if you did get banned, make a point to provide the above information). Like I understand I may come off as mean, but it's hard to determine who abused it and who didn't -- it's just a lot easier to be blunt, than it is to be nice in this scenario given the reputation of the community.
Sadly if you guys entered without the quest items, even if ignorant of that fact, you can get banned for it and that's because people have a tendency to lie. Introducing that variable gives most people a way out. It'd be a lot easier if most people are honest.
I apologize though on the 4h misconception. They definitely need to update that then. But I hope you understand where I'm coming from too.
well based on that we will be fine, and even if the 4h was a bug, .kr has had now harmony and tauti, and its not been changed to once per day as far as i know.