There is currently a bug in the Spezion raid boss instance that allows players to enter the instance more often that the design instance timer allows. Players and party members that exploit this bug have and will face consequences. While we wait for a fix from developers, be advised to not abuse the Spezion instance and not partake in the exploit.
can you confirm that the 4H re-use is not a bug, just so rest of L2 Players know.
The 4 hour timer is the normal as designed reuse time.. The "exploit" is the ability to basically repeat the instance and a instant rate.. instead of the 4 hour reuse..
unfortunately i was one of the individuals doing this along with many people in my ally.. we had no prior warning or were not told that it was a bug at all before we were banned.. if we were told previously not to do this or were warned to stop we would have..
The Spezion instance allows a player entry every 4 hours as long as the player has the required items. We cannot share more details on how the exploit works for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say that if you know you were in the Spezion instance less than 4 hours ago, don't try to go in again until the 4 hour timer is up.
The Spezion instance allows a player entry every 4 hours as long as the player has the required items. We cannot share more details on how the exploit works for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say that if you know you were in the Spezion instance less than 4 hours ago, don't try to go in again until the 4 hour timer is up.
so im assuming this is the reason why i was banned.. even though NCsoft NA gave no prior details or warnings..?
thnx.
p.s. many of the people you banned had only gone into the instance once/were invited to go and had no idea what the instance was or anything.. You basically banned people for doing nothing wrong just joining a party and doing spezion one time... way to go... and then when peitioned and asked questions, simply ignored us... amazing...
thanks for confirming so people can stop cry about 4h re-use, i also was told about the non stop bug, but tbh all that knew this bug and used it, knew it was a bug.
I hope the players who exploited and still do it will get banned. There's not excuse for exploiting a bug ( since they obviously know how the instance works and it's reuse ) so really, I and I guess most of us do too , expect a punishment to the players who were exploting this bug for x days .
so im assuming this is the reason why i was banned.. even though NCsoft NA gave no prior details or warnings..?
thnx.
p.s. many of the people you banned had only gone into the instance once/were invited to go and had no idea what the instance was or anything.. You basically banned people for doing nothing wrong just joining a party and doing spezion one time... way to go... and then when peitioned and asked questions, simply ignored us... amazing...
lol gf, awesome clanmembers basically tricking clanmates into exploiting. Although not realizing that it was an exploit makes those people pretty ******ed in my book
and since when have ncwest ever given out warnings for blatant exploiting after the fact?
lol gf, awesome clanmembers basically tricking clanmates into exploiting. Although not realizing that it was an exploit makes those people pretty ******ed in my book
and since when have ncwest ever given out warnings for blatant exploiting after the fact?
mmm not really.. but assuming is normal on these boards..
So you can ban (supposedly) live people...
How about "bots", can you ban those exploiting the newbie quest to gain money? Or those exploiting the game to send private message about gold without realizing l2 doesn't have "gold"?:D
Would be nice to see more thread like this, while we wait for the soulshots lag fix (even better, don't fix the spiritshots so nukers won't try to kill-steal anymore) ^_^
and since when have ncwest ever given out warnings for blatant exploiting after the fact?
Penalizing players prior to something being announced as a major exploit is breaking every precedence NCWest has ever set for treatment of such bugs. Take the enchant or item dupe bugs for example. No one was banned for these, a fix was quietly implemented and now anyone attempting to use these bugs is disconnected with no further penalty. The Valakas terrain glitch was known about for several updates by NCSoft and nothing was done to fix it or punish players who exploited the glitch to farm and sell the necklace provided it was not confirmed to be involved in RMT.
I find it incredibly amusing all these lowbie players who have no concept of end-game content crying on official forums about a bug that allowed people to get a little extra xp. Just because you can't figure out how to xp efficiently or play the market in game to make money you need an excuse to point fingers at people higher level and richer than you. Looking at the XP curves for 90+, 460m (if you're baller enough to have an XP Rune) is a very small dent in that level. The bugged dino island quest was giving people 150m xp every 20 minutes, no one was banned for that. LA mastery was an exploit, yet no one was banned. Claiming mentee items on any toon other than the one who reached that goal is an exploit, yet I'm sure half the people complaining about Spezion have been doing that to get free soulshots for their main. If you're going to whine about people using bugs, you have to be willing to own up to using bugs yourself. Even if there is currently no punishment for using them, a bug is still a bug. Drop the holier-than-thou attitude, you're not fooling anyone.
Edit: Should have had a PTS to find these bugs instead of forcing the GD release!
I don't remember anyone getting banned for the kamaloka bug either, which basically allowed people to keep going into the instance infinitely benefiting from the xp, vit and drops over and over.
Penalizing players prior to something being announced as a major exploit is breaking every precedence NCWest has ever set for treatment of such bugs. Take the enchant or item dupe bugs for example. No one was banned for these, a fix was quietly implemented and now anyone attempting to use these bugs is disconnected with no further penalty. The Valakas terrain glitch was known about for several updates by NCSoft and nothing was done to fix it or punish players who exploited the glitch to farm and sell the necklace provided it was not confirmed to be involved in RMT.
I find it incredibly amusing all these lowbie players who have no concept of end-game content crying on official forums about a bug that allowed people to get a little extra xp. Just because you can't figure out how to xp efficiently or play the market in game to make money you need an excuse to point fingers at people higher level and richer than you. Looking at the XP curves for 90+, 460m (if you're baller enough to have an XP Rune) is a very small dent in that level. The bugged dino island quest was giving people 150m xp every 20 minutes, no one was banned for that. LA mastery was an exploit, yet no one was banned. Claiming mentee items on any toon other than the one who reached that goal is an exploit, yet I'm sure half the people complaining about Spezion have been doing that to get free soulshots for their main. If you're going to whine about people using bugs, you have to be willing to own up to using bugs yourself. Even if there is currently no punishment for using them, a bug is still a bug. Drop the holier-than-thou attitude, you're not fooling anyone.
Edit: Should have had a PTS to find these bugs instead of forcing the GD release!
I sort of have to agree with this, though depending on what was dropping in there, the spezion bug has a bigger impact on the overall server then the mentee cert or the dino quest. Out of curiosity, are those banned having their xp/sp/items from it reset? Before anyone jumps on my ****, it's just a question and not a demand.
Penalizing players prior to something being announced as a major exploit is breaking every precedence NCWest has ever set for treatment of such bugs. Take the enchant or item dupe bugs for example. No one was banned for these, a fix was quietly implemented and now anyone attempting to use these bugs is disconnected with no further penalty. The Valakas terrain glitch was known about for several updates by NCSoft and nothing was done to fix it or punish players who exploited the glitch to farm and sell the necklace provided it was not confirmed to be involved in RMT.
I find it incredibly amusing all these lowbie players who have no concept of end-game content crying on official forums about a bug that allowed people to get a little extra xp. Just because you can't figure out how to xp efficiently or play the market in game to make money you need an excuse to point fingers at people higher level and richer than you. Looking at the XP curves for 90+, 460m (if you're baller enough to have an XP Rune) is a very small dent in that level. The bugged dino island quest was giving people 150m xp every 20 minutes, no one was banned for that. LA mastery was an exploit, yet no one was banned. Claiming mentee items on any toon other than the one who reached that goal is an exploit, yet I'm sure half the people complaining about Spezion have been doing that to get free soulshots for their main. If you're going to whine about people using bugs, you have to be willing to own up to using bugs yourself. Even if there is currently no punishment for using them, a bug is still a bug. Drop the holier-than-thou attitude, you're not fooling anyone.
Edit: Should have had a PTS to find these bugs instead of forcing the GD release!
Still why players are at fault here?:D
Did NCsoft release public TEST SERVER ? Nope
Did NCSfot public annoucned that they changed ban policy ? NOPE
Did NCsoft released basicy bugs at lauch and other issue with start of god w/o pts ? N O P E !
So single W T F NCsoft ? !
I sort of have to agree with this, though depending on what was dropping in there, the spezion bug has a bigger impact on the overall server then the mentee cert or the dino quest. Out of curiosity, are those banned having their xp/sp/items from it reset? Before anyone jumps on my ****, it's just a question and not a demand.
twilight weaps/ewr... and its like 300m exp per kill...
even though i jsut dont see how they could. if they take the exp/money away from us id be ******.. lol
will those that exploited have their XP roll backed ? because technically a 7 day ban for gettigt lv96 in less than a month is a joke and they are laughing about that on l2blah. And knowing L2 is just a SQL database with a java/C program its very simple for ncsoft to remove all the XP they got exemple: they did it 96 times and got 1b XP for the kill and lets say they had vit and 50% rune and got 2b XP each time they should be rolled back or removed the 96x2b there 192b XP and be back to where they were at before they started exploiting this. would only be fair to other players that grind their *** off to get those levels legitly and dont abuse the rules.
I reported it about a week ago actually when it was first discovered on Chronos. Rather than receiving an email thanking me for my contribution to making Lineage II a better place, I got a big middle finger with a tattoo on it that said "7 days."
Suffice it to say that if you know you were in the Spezion instance less than 4 hours ago, don't try to go in again until the 4 hour timer is up.
But the instance timer resets with the daily quest reset as well, does that mean we have to still wait 4 hours even if there is no timer for it in our /instancezone ?
EG : daily quest resets at 4:30 am pst, you can do a spez raid at 3:30 am, and it will have a 1h cooldown only. Is it legal to do it again as soon as the daily quest timer resets it? (aka 1h after you did it last) As long as it takes the fragments? Or we would have to wait until 7:30 am even if it's not in our instance timers?
OMG, you nasty exploiters.... Congrats on breaking the game.
And you are only getting a 7day ban?
NCSoft do the right thing and strip them of all items and delevel them to 86. Also name them all. Why not just delete their character to teach them a lesson.
I love how hypnocrit was whining the other day about people buying +15 weapons and how that broke the game, but he was the number 1 exploiter of Chronos. What a clown.
Im really angry with this news and I hope NCSoft do the right thing.
OMG, you nasty exploiters.... Congrats on breaking the game.
And you are only getting a 7day ban?
NCSoft do the right thing and strip them of all items and delevel them to 86. Also name them all. Why not just delete their character to teach them a lesson.
I love how hypnocrit was whining the other day about people buying +15 weapons and how that broke the game, but he was the number 1 exploiter of Chronos. What a clown.
Im really angry with this news and I hope NCSoft do the right thing.
every time u play this game.. you in some way use or do an exploit.. remember this.
so before you start pointin fingers look around... because no one said anything when everyone glitch killed valakas for literally like 2 years... and no one said anything with the dino island glitch.. everyone was ok with this..
only reason why people are upset about this is because you didnt get to do it before it was stopped...
I'm so confused about this. So you can do the raid once every 4 hours legit which = 6 times a day if you camped it. Times 26 days so far in the month = 156 possible times you could do the raid. Hypno is at 96 entrees which makes no sense....not trying to sound like I'm defending him because I think he's a complete tool, but am I missing something here? He could hit that many entrances without glitching it, GMs would have to check everybody's logs that they banned in order to determine if they broke the instance timer or not.
^I remember GMs saying that you wouldn't get banned for the valakas bug because it was "working as intended, and part of the game" which I always laughed at. It's kind of ironic that NC is so hardcore with RMT now, when at that time it was a huge source of RMT. Ridiculous.
every time u play this game.. you in some way use or do an exploit.. remember this.
so before you start pointin fingers look around... because no one said anything when everyone glitch killed valakas for literally like 2 years... and no one said anything with the dino island glitch.. everyone was ok with this..
only reason why people are upset about this is because you didnt get to do it before it was stopped...
You must be kidding me right? Im using an exploit every time I play?
NCSoft declared this bug as an exploit. Get your reasoning in check, not every bug is an exploit.
This bug is an XP + adena exploit.
You knowingly used this cheat to gain an unfair advantage in adena and exp against the rest of the server, enjoy your ban and I hope you get deleveled and stripped of all items.
I'm so confused about this. So you can do the raid once every 4 hours legit which = 6 times a day if you camped it. Times 26 days so far in the month = 156 possible times you could do the raid. Hypno is at 96 entrees which makes no sense...
IIRC there were a few people that kept doing 2-3 every day and then suddenly zoeylj and hypnocrit and some others that are now transfered to magmeld popped on the list with 10+ kills a day.
Sure mate, so you saying, you(whoever you referring to) got slapped for nothing?
"Amazing story, post it on Official Boards."
I haven't made any posts crying about being banned, mate. I'm not petty enough to make a thread whining about it on official forums to draw attention to how unfair the world is like so many people here who don't know how to play the game. Thank you for the concern but I'm mature enough to take up my issues privately with the NCWest staff if necessary. I stated that NCWest defied precedence in treatment of this bug relative to any other bug and that's all I've mentioned of the subject. You should learn to read.
LilSugar, please refer to my first post about bitter lowbies pointing fingers because they're bad at L2. Have a nice day.
enjoy your ban and I hope you get deleveled and stripped of all items.
Do you get this ragey about all the people that bot every day or ebay every day that destroy the server much more than a few people using a bug for a few days?
Do you get this ragey about all the people that bot every day or ebay every day that destroy the server much more than a few people using a bug for a few days?
So basically because others cheat 'under the radar' or do RMT, you have the right to cheat and go unpunished?
You cheated and got caught. End of story. Dont try to debate the obvious and put other issues on the table.
I haven't made any posts crying about being banned, mate. I believe I am guilty merely by association in this regard, but I'm not petty enough to make a thread whining about it on official forums to draw attention to how unfair the world is like so many people here who don't know how to play the game. Thank you for the concern but I'm mature enough to take up my issues privately with the NCWest staff. I stated that NCWest defied precedence in treatment of this bug relative to any other bug and that's all I've mentioned of the subject. You should learn to read.
LilSugar, please refer to my first post about bitter lowbies pointing fingers because they're bad at L2. Have a nice day.
"Thank you for the concern but I'm mature enough to take up my issues privately with the NCWest staff."
This is the reason for "Amazing story....". Good on you, I take that line back.
"I stated that NCWest defied precedence in treatment of this bug relative to any other bug and that's all I've mentioned of the subject."
In relation to the actual matter and your initial post in this thread, I find that whinging, at very least.
As I said, you lucky if you got just a slap this time. And for people who got dragged into it unknowingly, well, good you got lucky friends.
People who actually know/play game very well, know exactly how easy they got off. They are also the reason why NCsoft decided to punish people, sucks for those who didn't get as much benefit.
Not whining at all, in fact I'm approaching this from a pretty unbiased POV. I simply pointed out the inconsistency present here between the treatment of this exploit versus much more harmful exploits in the past. No matter how this is handled from NC's end there will still be people trying to solicit their thoughts and feelings as more correct than anyone else's, ranging anywhere from 'let them get away with it, it's labeled an exploit now' to some of the more ignorant comments posted like 'delete their characters.' Narazdache, I feel you fall somewhere in the middle of the road where everyone else posting in this thread who is not involved should be--let NCSoft decide and whatever happens people have to accept. Bottom line is no one's thoughts on the subject matter, get over yourselves.
It amuses me when people post things so incredibly ignorant like they have never done anything that could be considered a violation or not playing the game as intended. Everyone in this game at some point or another has purchased even as little as a single crafting material from someone who runs a bot train. Oh noes, you've supported RMT! "I saw a tank using a bow the other day. They don't have bow mastery, this should not be allowed. Ban the cheater!" That sounds about as ridiculous as some of the stuff being posted here.
You cheated and got caught. End of story. Dont try to debate the obvious and put other issues on the table.
There is a difference between "you got caught" and "omg let's delete all these people's characters and tattoo it on their forehead's." If you don't feel as angry at all the other cheats in the game you have no business talking like that either.
Gotta agree with you here. What fueled my posts is behavior(not necessarily on this forum) of certain players who gained most from this issue and trying to bargain for more.
Playing for seven years, how to put it lightly....audience of official boards are not exactly the people who participate in end game :D and at very least not well informed of game mechanics - but I guess it's informative enough for new players :). The only reason I post here, is between breaks at work. I think I would have lost all my hair if I had to moderate this forum :D
It's good to see NC soft do something good sometimes, but as you say, many of decisions are in the best traditions of Korean random :D
Of course they have to make the punishment harsh if they want to keep people from doing it o.O, they haven't fixed the problem yet. You were just as likely to get caught before as you are now, so if people think it is so worth it then its up to them to go ahead and do it
But the instance timer resets with the daily quest reset as well, does that mean we have to still wait 4 hours even if there is no timer for it in our /instancezone ?
EG : daily quest resets at 4:30 am pst, you can do a spez raid at 3:30 am, and it will have a 1h cooldown only. Is it legal to do it again as soon as the daily quest timer resets it? (aka 1h after you did it last) As long as it takes the fragments? Or we would have to wait until 7:30 am even if it's not in our instance timers?
spezion timers DO NOT reset @ the with the daily resets, like the daily Quests etc, its a simple 4h time, when your timer expires, u can go again
Is it worth me going to buy xp/sp rune packs to fight hard to get xp while these top end clans just walk in the park and milk the system xp and drop wise and sell the items to players that are following the rules of the game. Is this what you call a balanced game.
I don't see these type of situations in other mmo's especially the most popular ones. You get a complete life ban.
IF YOU ALLOW THESE CHEATS TO COME BACK TO THE GAME DO YOU THINK THEY WONT DO IT AGAIN. HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OTHER PEOPLES EFFORTS AND DESIRE TO CONTINUE PLAYING THIS GAME WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT CHEATING.
IF THIS CONTINUES LIKE THIS THEN I WILL LEAVE THE GAME AS I REALLY CAN'T SEE MYSELF RIPPING MYSELF OFF.
Is it worth me going to buy xp/sp rune packs to fight hard to get xp while these top end clans just walk in the park and milk the system xp and drop wise and sell the items to players that are following the rules of the game. Is this what you call a balanced game.
I don't see these type of situations in other mmo's especially the most popular ones. You get a complete life ban.
IF YOU ALLOW THESE CHEATS TO COME BACK TO THE GAME DO YOU THINK THEY WONT DO IT AGAIN. HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OTHER PEOPLES EFFORTS AND DESIRE TO CONTINUE PLAYING THIS GAME WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT CHEATING.
IF THIS CONTINUES LIKE THIS THEN I WILL LEAVE THE GAME AS I REALLY CAN'T SEE MYSELF RIPPING MYSELF OFF.
**** PLEASE BAN THESE CHEATS FOR LIFE ******
Actually since they just got a 7 day they would get a perma ban for doing it again.
IF THIS CONTINUES LIKE THIS THEN I WILL LEAVE THE GAME AS I REALLY CAN'T SEE MYSELF RIPPING MYSELF OFF.
CAPS ALWAYS MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER!
Make sure they also ban for life all the people that glitched delusion instance bosses by keeping a dead party member inside and waiting 40 mins outside or bugged the mobs by PRing and sending 1 member into an empty room inside. Those bosses were worth 2-3% a round and plenty bews and (at the time) pretty expensive Icarus weapons.
A legit player's opinion:
I strongly recommend NOT to permanently ban those players. You will really discourage a lot of legit, but unaware players from Lineage 2.
Ban, and especially a permanent ban, is a very serious punishment, and those people, even if they did exploit the bug, do NOT deserve it.
I would rather take away the experience, or items they gained in this instance, or give them a temporary ban, but definitely NOT a permanent ban.
This bug was not obvious enough, and even if it was, it did not harm other players to punish the exploiters (aware or unaware) so severely.
your kidding me right. you don't want them banned for selling you the items that they gathered and on top most of their clannies not putting in the hard yards for xp. Have you been playing this game long enough to understand what you should and shouldn't do ?????
Is it good to see them get monthly rewards while you brake your backside. To me it sounds like you like to drive your car 100k in a 60 zone and if you don't get caught you just don't. Sorry buddy but we do live in a world of rules and it sounds to me your the type of person I would look out for if the world ever did hit cave man day's again. I'd be CLEARLY looking out for your kind for sure.
I can't believe you don't respect the people around you and on top the rules in front of you so that we can all get along properly. By the way, there is a fee if you don't pay your mortgage on time. I hope your old enough or wise enough to understand this real life rule.
Your post is dumb. You're trying to apply real life situations to a game while failing to take into consideration you're talking about a one-strike rule. Let's have the death penalty for speeding or paying bills late, there's no reason people should be able to learn from their mistakes.
I don't worry much, being a player who plays by hand I wont have the level to do spezion for the next months. That been said, I think we all wonder can you by mistake do this exploit :confused: For example, maybe you don't know the delay or you think it was 4 hours ago but it was 3.5 hours ago etc.
@sace/gm can you confirm that you have to do special things to use this exploit and it is impossible to do it by mistake?
Lineage 2 contains many bugs and any normal player who spends many months/years on his character wants to know if you, on top of it all, risk a ban.
The Spezion instance allows a player entry every 4 hours as long as the player has the required items. We cannot share more details on how the exploit works for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say that if you know you were in the Spezion instance less than 4 hours ago, don't try to go in again until the 4 hour timer is up.
Question(s)... the bug is still there, isnt it? I dont know the bug myself but lets say there are 6 players who are inviting the 7th player to party and the last member has done Zpezion recently (less than 4 hours ago). The party doesnt know that or the last member might lie to them, the whole party is gonna get banned for that? How do you fix that, knowing that there is no way to see if someone is telling the truth? ...or he/she deliberately wants to see the others banned for some time. Is it just enough for players to check their own /instancezone and do it past those 4 hours or there is still a risk of getting banned because of other party members?
They have already been punished. Which is more than many others who still cheat or exploit or have in the past.
I think a lot of people have an issue as they don't feel the punishment fit the "crime".
If people like Hypnocrit have done an instance designed to be done a maximum of 6 times a day even if you don't sleep for days on end 10+ times yet only get a 7 day ban is that really a "punishment"?
After all, he's now on a server where, at 96, he will be vastly overpowered compared to most toons.
He may even have sold all the gear/items that dropped, done 3 legendary tattoos that cost upwards of 1.5B adena and fully geared up his toon with the best gear he can take over.
All through cheating.
IMHO, he should be rolled back to 85, lose *all* his gear - including tattoos if he has any - and get a 1 month ban minimum.
And I am in the same alliance that he was in.
The same goes for anyone else who has used this exploit.
Because a 7 day ban will have them all laughing as the XP they got from this exploit will save them weeks maybe even months of hard grinding.
Just because you can't figure out how to xp efficiently or play the market in game to make money you need an excuse to point fingers at people higher level and richer than you.
So you figured out how to exp efficiently and went exploiting the instance? You are genius! Never could have guessed that the most efficient way of exping is exploiting the game.
You made comments about deleveling someone to 85, taking all their gear, tats, etc because you state an assumption as FACT the only reason he's that level with that equipment is because he exploited an instance for a week. You said the xp he gained was equivalent to months of work, I respond by saying you are clueless as to what kind of xp is even involved here. If he did it 94 times at level 95 for ~0.5%, that's less than 50% gained. If someone is 95 and 50% after 7 weeks, do you really think 50% is months of work?
Chippi - Never once have I said no one should be banned for this. I said from an unbiased POV there is no precedence for the punishment being administered for whoever used a bug. I said the peanut gallery needs to get off their high horse and stop pretending to be better than anyone else and let NC make their decision, which by the way has already been executed. No one's opinion in any of this matters except for those of the NCSoft employees involved in deciding what course of action to take.
So you figured out how to exp efficiently and went exploiting the instance? You are genius! Never could have guessed that the most efficient way of exping is exploiting the game.
How creative to take a quote completely out of context and try to twist it around. Yes I solo AOE'd with my own boxes that I leveled in the best xp spots for years, are you mad bro?
Thats fine, your entitled to your own POV. What people are angry about is:
1 - These guys getting xp like crazy whilst others had to pay xp rune packs.
2 - These cheats were selling weapons and scrolls to other players.
3 - How much market control do you think they had with this expolit.
4 - It wasn't 1 or 2 players taking advantage of this exploit, it's was several clans.
I'm sure if they didn't take advantage of the exploit things would have been normal. But given the fact 3 to 4 major clans on chronos did take advantage of this expolit to a large scale where it separated those popular clans from non popular clans xp wise and adena wise. It became very evident that these popular clans lead the race in levels, xp and adena unfairly.
We are not talking about several people here, we are talking about majority of the server. People are so frustrated because the fair players are spending the ncoins while hackers are running away with the xp and adena. This obviously seperates the cheats from the fair players. So as you can see if you log onto choronos today the hacks are not logged in.
Also I hope you have played a Blizzard mmo. I think you should go see their policy on expoloits and I also encourage you to back track historical punishments on their behalf.
Do we want to play a game with cheats no. Whats to say these cheats wont do it again ?. You do know these cheats have been around for years and that it's very clear to them what they can and cant do in this game. We are not talking about a new customer to the game.
I'm sure if they didn't take advantage of the exploit things would have been normal. But given the fact 3 to 4 major clans on chronos did take advantage of this expolit to a large scale where it separated those popular clans from non popular clans xp wise and adena wise. It became very evident that these popular clans lead the race in levels, xp and adena unfairly.
You're getting a bit out of hand, it wasn't 3 to 4 major clans and except for about a handful of people it wasn't done in large scale.
What separates "popular" high-level clans from "non popular" is controlling xp spots which has nothing to do with the Spezion bug.
spending the ncoins while hackers are running away with the xp and adena. Hm, there was no hacking of any kind. Hacking would actually mean accessing the server and changing it, which did not happen.
Do we want to play a game with cheats no. Then you should definitely move on to another game, because if there is something L2 has is cheaters and botters.
It's clear some people like you think the banned players like hypnocrit should have their houses burnt and spend 3 years in prison and you don't agree 7 day ban and removal of gained xp (and items? will have to see) is fair punishment. That's fine, it's your opinion. I think the punishment is fair for the infraction (like I said there are many many glitches and bugs people exploit on daily basis or have in the past without any punishment whatsoever).
I also think that giving botters a 3 strike chance is gross and unfair to the rest of the players because why should they have 2 free opportunities to cheat and believe that's a much worse offense to legit players.
So I guess you and me will just have to accept what we don't like and keep playing or move onto another game.
Chippi- Thank you, that was a calm post. To clear some things though, this bug was not used on a large scale, and zero hacks were involved. I can say as a fact that the benefits of this bug have been blown far out of proportion, and while some people did abuse this exploit to an extreme (you know who) there are others that were legitimately doing the instance that were banned by association. I'm not defending anyone for doing what they did, but crunching some numbers says the instance alone did not "powerlevel" people, but it did significantly supplement their daily xp. I'm sure they made a decent amount of adena as well (weapon drops are maybe ~25%) but these people already controlled that market from farming the Garden of Genesis so the bug was not the sole source of income.
I understand how people can be frustrated by the announcement of this and I can't say that I disagree with that response, but some of the comments being posted are a bit ridiculous. "QQ these players got a fraction of a level at 90+, they should be rolled back to level 85." Really? This is an instance of players who using a bug were punished, that should be enough to satisfy the angry mob mentality. Why doesn't everyone beating the dead horse by continuing to make silly, unrealistic remarks about people who have already been banned and benefits from the bug removed direct some of that rage toward reporting some of the 24/7 bot groups running in the new areas which little or nothing is being done about?
I agree with you on the Blizzard comment, but the sad fact is the rules within Lineage II were never strictly enforced from the beginning. Had there been an iron fist brought down upon the cheaters from day one these problems would not still exist today, and it's too late to start trying to enforce it to that extent now. I know the L2 staff works hard to keep the game running as smoothly and free of cheaters as they can, but I think the team is understaffed to be policing these issues around the clock.
Tattoo it on their foreheads!! then delvl them, remove their gear and give them bound immortal set and delete their epics. Then lock them into the middle of giran so they cannot move and have everyone point and laugh at them.
:D
P.S. Now I understand why Akin especially Bregan is so hurt lately haha
There is currently a bug in the Spezion raid boss instance that allows players to enter the instance more often that the design instance timer allows. Players and party members that exploit this bug have and will face consequences. While we wait for a fix from developers, be advised to not abuse the Spezion instance and not partake in the exploit.
If you let these people keep their xp then a 7 or even 30 days temp ban is nothing. I have already heard several people discussing if they should try doing it too. The punishment just doesn't compare with the possible rewards.
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Don't be fooled, clan mates talk in vent and share what they find in-game and tell members what is the best way to do this and that. Just the other night we were doing Frintezza and there were clan mates asking all kinds a questions about why, when and where on a Raid that is YEARS old. Everyone that went into Spezion with their great clannies knew what was going on. If you are part of 7% that was banned that had no clue they were being used to exploit the game than you are to stupid and should be banned for that alone.
Im glad measures were taken, if you people who got banned had reported the bug, you had your way out of trouble but prefered to hide it and kept exploiting it.
Anyone who is above 87 is completly aware of what they're doing, those people are not newbies to this game. So go exploit other game now, sho-sho!
There is currently a bug in the Spezion raid boss instance that allows players to enter the instance more often that the design instance timer allows. Players and party members that exploit this bug have and will face consequences. While we wait for a fix from developers, be advised to not abuse the Spezion instance and not partake in the exploit.
Sace,
You need to permaban the exploiters. They obviously got more xp in one day of exploiting than any average player will get in a month. There is more to consider too. Sure they "could" camp it every four hours, but the reality is they would run into unavailable support classes and incomplete parties because of reset times. It is rare to have a party readily available, and capable of.this raid, not to mention all of them having the timer available. You should compare their actions to the SOA daily quest. There are always people waiting to do it, bringing in random players from all over the server.
My point is that they got way more than a seven day headstart. That are months ahead of any legitimate player that will do the instance the same number of times. If it were a solo instance, I may agree with a 7 day ban, but with party instances you have to considervhow hard it is to organize the forces for it, and manage the timers on top of it. I'll happily volunteer for a 7 day ban if you let me exploit it only the same number of times they did. And so would anyone else who understands the game mechanics.
You need to permaban the exploiters. They obviously got more xp in one day of exploiting than any average player will get in a month. There is more to consider too. Sure they "could" camp it every four hours, but the reality is they would run into unavailable support classes and incomplete parties because of reset times. It is rare to have a party readily available, and capable of.this raid, not to mention all of them having the timer available. You should compare their actions to the SOA daily quest. There are always people waiting to do it, bringing in random players from all over the server.
My point is that they got way more than a seven day headstart. That are months ahead of any legitimate player that will do the instance the same number of times. If it were a solo instance, I may agree with a 7 day ban, but with party instances you have to considervhow hard it is to organize the forces for it, and manage the timers on top of it. I'll happily volunteer for a 7 day ban if you let me exploit it only the same number of times they did. And so would anyone else who understands the game mechanics.
its apparent you havent dun spezion
spezion is a 1 party instance able to be dun with 2 ppl.. as long as you arent completely incompetent, killing it frmo start of the instance to the finish takes about 15min..
95% of the people posting here honestly have no idea what they are talking about because they dont even know the raid... they are just crying inequality/botters/ebayers/cheaters...
this is standard on these forums where ignorance is bliss..
its apparent you havent dun spezion
spezion is a 1 party instance able to be dun with 2 ppl.. as long as you arent completely incompetent, killing it frmo start of the instance to the finish takes about 15min..
95% of the people posting here honestly have no idea what they are talking about because they dont even know the raid... they are just crying inequality/botters/ebayers/cheaters...
this is standard on these forums where ignorance is bliss..
that's besides the point, porting in without the required quest items and/or within the 4hours re use time is a very obvious exploit and no way you spin it makes that right.
btw let me guess you're the idiot that's bragging on guru that you guys made 40bil of this exploit and sold the adena RMT style ? if it that's just to make fun of ppl that's just lame flame bait but hey nothing surprises me anymore these days :)
that's besides the point, porting in without the required quest items and/or within the 4hours re use time is a very obvious exploit and no way you spin it makes that right.
btw let me guess you're the idiot that's bragging on guru that you guys made 40bil of this exploit and sold the adena RMT style ? if it that's just to make fun of ppl that's just lame flame bait but hey nothing surprises me anymore these days :)
Im speaking to the ignorance of the people who post on these forums as how the assume exactly whats going on when they infact dont know.
Furthermore i speak to the drove of hypocrits who yet again come here to complain about bots/cheaters/exploiters/etc.. when in fact every individual who plays this game has in sum way gained from this exact issue..
I dont see anyone complaining about being able to use valakas's or having them when indeed the only reason they exist is because valakas was glitch killed or 2 years... I didnt see anyone upset that for years mats and such were at cheaper prices because bots were farming them.. and indeed without them farming the mats they wouldnt even have existed. I also enjoyed seeing how many people liked doing the dino instance that was supposed to be a once a day quest but because of a "bug".. they could repeat the quest over n over...
Where is ncsoft for all of this??
furthermore on the note of just spezion.. the drops that came were twilight weapons.. I heard nothing but good things from people buying the weapons that the price was finally coming down.. and that they were really happy they could get them... when indeed, if it wasnt for the raid they would still be 350m-400m a weapon.. instead of 200-250m.. yet again here are people who knew what was going on.. but didnt care because they could get what they needed for cheaper prices..
in all seriousness its obvious to me you all have no problem accepting rewards or reaping the benfits of these situations.. but as soon as its called out before anyone else gets a chance to do it other than a few select higher lvl players.. its wrong.
plz, put your moral compasses away, because you all are just as guilty..
Im speaking to the ignorance of the people who post on these forums as how the assume exactly whats going on when they infact dont know.
Furthermore i speak to the drove of hypocrits who yet again come here to complain about bots/cheaters/exploiters/etc.. when in fact every individual who plays this game has in sum way gained from this exact issue..
I dont see anyone complaining about being able to use valakas's or having them when indeed the only reason they exist is because valakas was glitch killed or 2 years... I didnt see anyone upset that for years mats and such were at cheaper prices because bots were farming them.. and indeed without them farming the mats they wouldnt even have existed. I also enjoyed seeing how many people liked doing the dino instance that was supposed to be a once a day quest but because of a "bug".. they could repeat the quest over n over...
Where is ncsoft for all of this??
furthermore on the note of just spezion.. the drops that came were twilight weapons.. I heard nothing but good things from people buying the weapons that the price was finally coming down.. and that they were really happy they could get them... when indeed, if it wasnt for the raid they would still be 350m-400m a weapon.. instead of 200-250m.. yet again here are people who knew what was going on.. but didnt care because they could get what they needed for cheaper prices..
in all seriousness its obvious to me you all have no problem accepting rewards or reaping the benfits of these situations.. but as soon as its called out before anyone else gets a chance to do it other than a few select higher lvl players.. its wrong.
plz, put your moral compasses away, because you all are just as guilty..
WOW, you are trying to justify this exploit because there are other problems in the game and it brought the prices down by flooding the market with exploited rewards, really? Were you recently banned perhaps?
Yeah, we robbed the bank cause we was broke, but we spent the money in our neighborhood to keep the economy flowing!
WOW, you are trying to justify this exploit because the are other problems inthe game and it brought the prices down by flooding the market with exploited rewards, really? Were you recently banned perhaps?
Yeah, we robbed the bank cause we was broke, but we spent the money in our neighborhood to keep the economy flowing!
so you never bought mats...
you never bought shots?
you dont wear boss jewels?
if you say yes to any of these questions you have contributed to the same issue u are complaining about.
p.s. none of us are "broke".. lol.. most of us are already sum of the richest people in L2 history
so you never bought mats...
you never bought shots?
you dont wear boss jewels?
if you say yes to any of these questions you have contributed to the same issue u are complaining about.
p.s. none of us are "broke".. lol.. most of us are already sum of the richest people in L2 history
Yeah most people just talk and they don't even know the instance.
1. 100+ times doesn't even equate to a full level
2. the 30-days I have been 90+ I could have completed the instance 150 times. Did it 65.
3. The boss often dropped nothing
4. Didn't feel like an exploit until people started whining about it. We took a look at what we were doing and decided to stop and wait for a confirmation.
5. It can be done by mistake so be careful
NCsoft decided to impose a 7-day ban and by all indications, roll back some XP then declare it an exploit.
I will doing RL things while I serve my sentence.. Nothing can be done and it is what it is. However, if NCsoft would put a
Yeah most people just talk and they don't even know the instance.
1. 100+ times doesn't even equate to a full level
2. the 30-days I have been 90+ I could have completed the instance 150 times. Did it 65.
3. The boss often dropped nothing
4. Didn't feel like an exploit until people started whining about it. We took a look at what we were doing and decided to stop and wait for a confirmation.
5. It can be done by mistake so be careful
NCsoft decided to impose a 7-day ban and by all indications, roll back some XP then declare it an exploit.
I will doing RL things while I serve my sentence.. Nothing can be done and it is what it is. However, if NCsoft would put a
this... and like this man said.. u can do it by mistake and not even know your doing it.. which is actually what happened to me the 1st time..
we honestly just said that if it became an issue we would just stop or it ncsoft made a post about it we would would stop.. but nothing on NCsoft NA was said..
I can say i did not benefit in any way from this exploit that you people abused, so i can say ban them all? :D
But every 300million xp every 15 minutes (saw before someone saying takes 15 minutes to complete this) with a bunch of incoming adena to your pockets, hell yea you didn't wanna miss this did you?
I can say i did not benefit in any way from this exploit that you people abused, so i can say ban them all? :D
But every 300million xp every 15 minutes (saw before someone saying takes 15 minutes to complete this) with a bunch of incoming adena to your pockets, hell yea you didn't wanna miss this did you?
I'm completely ok that people who abused dungeon for more than 50 times (check Museum statistics of server and you will see list of 'heroes' who entered 50-130 times) got their bans.
But i personally know 3 people who were randomly invited to such groups and did Spezion 1 time and were banned as well. This is not fair.
Justice should be reached in this moment by checking servers logs and unbanning people who entered via exploit but didnt abuse dungeon for more than once in 4 hrs. Cause they didnt even know about the bug in most cases and it's not their fault actually you can enter instance zone 'exploit' way but developers one who didnt put in checking conditions during Spezion instance zone progress.
P.S. Dont forget to remove drops and XP gained by 20+ Spezions a day.
So what if they take away the exp? For my group, (me and frank) it wont be much at all.. and for hypno's group if they took away a level from him he'll just have to use sum of the 40billion adena they made to wipe his tears... sumtimes its not about exp... but youre too stupid to realize this...
strikes? this isnt botting you ******* ******.. there isnt a strike rule for this..
miss the point? no ******, you seriously are too ******* ******ed to comprehend.. cuz for you 2+2 = 4.... for us 2+2 = 40billion adena.. which ive sold a lot of to your ******* clanmates who suck at this game...
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Sace or HGMwill,
what are going to do with this?did u remove adena,items etc?did u check them for RMT as they claimed?
And finaly go ban they orbis temple bots on Naia,they are 97 allready,ffs
My concern with this whole thing is what happens if you discovered it by accident? 7 days ban for accidently discovering the issue? this is a little harsh. To be honest, when you discover exactly how this particular bug works you will see that its not that hard to do and initially I did not think anything of it. Frankly i did not even realize it was considered an exploit. I happend to be googling on the monday morning for spezion drop list and found the russian server stating that it was a known issue.. that is when I stopped my party from doing it.
what stopped ppl from doing it is the fact ppl became aware it was happening (gotta love the museum so many fun facts there) just like when valakas was farmed initially before Gm's said it was not bannable those involved were doing it well knowingly it could get them all banned but the profit off sets the risks.. 10+ were farmed that way before NC Softs stance was known on it..
ow and those ppl were ripping off their clannies as well as we only found out about it after one of them got hero.. in those days the more legit clans were still farming it the hard way when the raid was up so needless to say those ppl all got booted from clan which is something I recommend in this case too cause knowingly ***ing clan members over isn't the kind of behavior any decent clan will allow to stand.
on a side note this exploit was well known in advance of GoD ever coming to NCWest as it was found out really fast on RU OFF so I honestly doubt anyone here found out about it by themselves as that's highly unlikely seeing the nature of some of the aspects of the exploit.
what stopped ppl from doing it is the fact ppl became aware it was happening (gotta love the museum so many fun facts there) just like when valakas was farmed initially before Gm's said it was not bannable those involved were doing it well knowingly it could get them all banned but the profit off sets the risks.. 10+ were farmed that way before NC Softs stance was known on it..
ow and those ppl were ripping off their clannies as well as we only found out about it after one of them got hero.. in those days the more legit clans were still farming it the hard way when the raid was up so needless to say those ppl all got booted from clan which is something I recommend in this case too cause knowingly ***ing clan members over isn't the kind of behavior any decent clan will allow to stand.
on a side note this exploit was well known in advance of GoD ever coming to NCWest as it was found out really fast on RU OFF so I honestly doubt anyone here found out about it by themselves as that's highly unlikely seeing the nature of some of the aspects of the exploit.
Well Im your contradiction then. We found it while playign the game normally. I dont go on the russian official forums to check for bugs, we found it accidently. My point is and still is "we were already screwed right then and there". We lead the server in levels, my whole party so naturally we got there first, heck most of the people commenting on this dont even have a right to talk because there not even 90 to do the instance as it is. I did not even think of it as an exploit.. figured the game would be smart enough to stop you from doing this kind of thing, its really not that hard at all.. ncsoft just doesnt test things. Heck, i can go on and on about known issues that are in the game still.. atleast 3 pages..
Yall are just out for blood and are jealous you cant play a lot.
on a side note this exploit was well known in advance of GoD ever coming to NCWest as it was found out really fast on RU OFF so I honestly doubt anyone here found out about it by themselves as that's highly unlikely seeing the nature of some of the aspects of the exploit.
No bug reports anywhere on the net except for the one on l2ru official forums.
on a side note this exploit was well known in advance of GoD ever coming to NCWest as it was found out really fast on RU OFF so I honestly doubt anyone here found out about it by themselves as that's highly unlikely seeing the nature of some of the aspects of the exploit.
That's just ignorant to say no one on NA servers could accidentally find this out, but instead they went looking for bugs from RU OFF. No one cares about that joke "private" server. You can probably even buy "Remove Spezion Instance Zone Timer" items or something there. It's VERY easy to accidentally trigger the bug. Ever had a party member disconnect after porting into an instance? What happens when they log back in? Oops, you just triggered a bug within the game.
Well Im your contradiction then. We found it while playign the game normally. I dont go on the russian official forums to check for bugs, we found it accidently. My point is and still is "we were already screwed right then and there". We lead the server in levels, my whole party so naturally we got there first, heck most of the people commenting on this dont even have a right to talk because there not even 90 to do the instance as it is. I did not even think of it as an exploit.. figured the game would be smart enough to stop you from doing this kind of thing, its really not that hard at all.. ncsoft just doesnt test things. Heck, i can go on and on about known issues that are in the game still.. atleast 3 pages..
Yall are just out for blood and are jealous you cant play a lot.
Dude, I wouldn't worry about it. You haven't been banned for anything else you've done. Why should this be any different?
Dude, I wouldn't worry about it. You haven't been banned for anything else you've done. Why should this be any different?
WWW
Anything else I have done? Are you kidding me? Because I am top of the server in xp i must be botting right? Because i own kids in olympiad i must be cheating right? Grow up and realize people might actually be better then you.
I did not even think of it as an exploit.. figured the game would be smart enough to stop you from doing this kind of thing, its really not that hard at all.. ncsoft just doesnt test things. Heck, i can go on and on about known issues that are in the game still.. atleast 3 pages..
You’re on the forums pleading your case... that this is everyone else's fault, the game should have been smart enough to stop you from exploiting if only NCSoft did some testing? You follow that up with there are 3 pages of more exploits you know exist?
Not to be out done with this final spit in the communities face…
Yall are just out for blood and are jealous you cant play a lot.
PRICELESS
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Anything else I have done? Are you kidding me? Because I am top of the server in xp i must be botting right? Because i own kids in olympiad i must be cheating right? Grow up and realize people might actually be better then you.
Hey, it's just a game. A garden variety button masher that requires almost zero skill to progress. Claiming to be "the best" in that type of environment pretty much says it all.
I was just trying to give you peace of mind after you created a forum account to cry about what's fair and what's unfair in the game. I would think you would be nicer to someone that was just trying to make you feel better.
You’re on the forums pleading your case... that this is everyone else's fault, the game should have been smart enough to stop you from exploiting if only NCSoft did some testing? You follow that up with there are 3 pages of more exploits you know exist?
Not to be out done with this final spit in the communities face…
Hey, it's just a game. A garden variety button masher that requires almost zero skill to progress. Claiming to be "the best" in that type of environment pretty much says it all.
I was just trying to give you peace of mind after you created a forum account to cry about what's fair and what's unfair in the game. I would think you would be nicer to someone that was just trying to make you feel better.
WWW
whos crying. I stated one point bro. anyway, clearly this isnt going anywhere!.
and for the record i said BUGS that exist. Not exploits.. holy crap.
READ THE FREAKIN POST BEFORE YOU STICK YOUR NOSE OUT.
whos crying. I stated one point bro. anyway, clearly this isnt going anywhere!.
and for the record i said BUGS that exist. Not exploits.. holy crap.
READ THE FREAKIN POST BEFORE YOU STICK YOUR NOSE OUT.
You never said BUGS... here let me show you what you said exactly.
I did not even think of it as an exploit.. figured the game would be smart enough to stop you from doing this kind of thing, its really not that hard at all.. ncsoft just doesnt test things. Heck, i can go on and on about known issues that are in the game still.. atleast 3 pages.
In this context you are speaking directly about exploits.
Once again your ability to read is destroying you.
I have not claimed here once that I have not gone back into Spezion instance before the instance timer was expired. Clearly my toon is guilty of this. I still would like to argue against this being a 7 day ban however. Ncsoft could have alerted the community that this was a known issue and to stop doing this immediatly should you be doing it. Infact the moment we found out this was an issue from the russian forums we did stop.. a conversation broke out within ventrilo and party chat about this,, and we went hands off with the spezion instance all together. We were playing the game the best way we knew how, and continue to,.. thats what allows you to win in lineage2, playing the best way you can find how within the rules. This was not declared as going against the rules.. so we played within the limits of the client to win. anybody would have done that, just so happends we were some of the first parties to find this.
My point is that what if you accidentally figured it out? NCsoft banned everyone who did it in anyway whatsoever, some of whome had no idea what they were about to do... not to mention we found it out ourselves by accident, and my point is right then and there we were guilty, no matter how we sliced it, we were going to receive 7 days. Is that clearer for you?
We arnt supposed to trash on these boards, but that is quickly where its going to.
Once again your ability to read is destroying you.
I have not claimed here once that I have not gone back into Spezion instance before the instance timer was expired. Clearly my toon is guilty of this. I still would like to argue against this being a 7 day ban however. Ncsoft could have alerted the community that this was a known issue and to stop doing this immediatly should you be doing it. Infact the moment we found out this was an issue from the russian forums we did stop.. a conversation broke out within ventrilo and party chat about this,, and we went hands off with the spezion instance all together. We were playing the game the best way we knew how, and continue to,.. thats what allows you to win in lineage2, playing the best way you can find how within the rules. This was not declared as going against the rules.. so we played within the limits of the client to win. anybody would have done that, just so happends we were some of the first parties to find this.
My point is that what if you accidentally figured it out? NCsoft banned everyone who did it in anyway whatsoever, some of whome had no idea what they were about to do... not to mention we found it out ourselves by accident, and my point is right then and there we were guilty, no matter how we sliced it, we were going to receive 7 days. Is that clearer for you?
We arnt supposed to trash on these boards, but that is quickly where its going to.
Nobody believes you since you and your lackies are boasting about getting away with it and how ncsoft wont trace the "40 billion" in drops you guys collected.
7 day ban is whatever, it must count towards 3 strikes and the xp and ADENA profit made from this exploit must be removed.
Nobody believes you since you and your lackies are boasting about getting away with it and how ncsoft wont trace the "40 billion" in drops you guys collected.
7 day ban is whatever, it must count towards 3 strikes and the xp and ADENA profit made from this exploit must be removed.
I have read only a few of these posts and tbh I dont care what all of ur opinion is.But if u dont make a pts,or screw the pts,if u dont test it urself as u are supposed to do stop punishing the players,punish urself.And btw that Hypno.. guy is my enemy but still it isnt his fault it is NC's fault.So stop blaming the player start blaming the game.
PS:I have no idea what that insctance is and I dont think I am close to the lvl that I can do it
No bug reports anywhere on the net except for the one on l2ru official forums.
which any russian from Bregan could have told you about cause they got plenty friends there and it's not like they haven't done these kind of things before hah.. but hey if you prove to be the rare exception then gratz, good to see how that turned out eh ;)
meh am done posting about this as everything useful has been said, rest only trolling or more attention thrill seekers nonsense which isn't interesting imo.
This thread is getting a bit out of hand. Clearly everyone has a different opinion about what sort of action should be taken and also what does or does not constitute as an exploit. That is normal, it is human nature, but it is not a matter that is up to players to decide. The rules of the game are established and clear, and this matter and all ban matters are confidential between account owner and staff, and at the discretion of the staff.
Rest assured that appropriate action is being taken, but details on what happens as possible punishment and who it happens to cannot and will not be shared publicly on official sources. Every player that is affected by this has been notified of what they did and why they are being actioned, and if they choose to they can reply their notification and discuss it with staff in privacy. This public announcement thread serves in general as a declaration that abusing this bug is indeed considered an exploit, and players are warned to not follow in the exploiter's footsteps.
This thread will be closely moderated but for now will remain open in case there are questions that can be answered (per the above, understand that some questions will not be answered and something will not be posted publicly).
LOL all of you,
1-HYPNO IS NO 96
2-Hypno and all of us got our levels from UPPER GENESIS, from spezion we didn't even gain 1 level.
3- WE DO CRAFT and most of all drops and mats were from UPPER GENESIS. raid boss is not 100% drop but how would you know that? you can't even get inside Prison of Darkness LOL
4- GET OVER IT!!! play 19 hours a day and gain the exp we got with hard work.
LOL all of you,
1-HYPNO IS NO 96
2-Hypno and all of us got our levels from UPPER GENESIS, from spezion we didn't even gain 1 level.
3- WE DO CRAFT and most of all drops and mats were from UPPER GENESIS. raid boss is not 100% drop but how would you know that? you can't even get inside Prison of Darkness LOL
4- GET OVER IT!!! play 19 hours a day and gain the exp we got with hard work.
ppl dont even understand this because they arent high level.. they just scream inequality even though they have no idea what they are screaming about..
This thread is getting a bit out of hand. Clearly everyone has a different opinion about what sort of action should be taken and also what does or does not constitute as an exploit. That is normal, it is human nature, but it is not a matter that is up to players to decide. The rules of the game are established and clear, and this matter and all ban matters are confidential between account owner and staff, and at the discretion of the staff.
Rest assured that appropriate action is being taken, but details on what happens as possible punishment and who it happens to cannot and will not be shared publicly on official sources. Every player that is affected by this has been notified of what they did and why they are being actioned, and if they choose to they can reply their notification and discuss it with staff in privacy. This public announcement thread serves in general as a declaration that abusing this bug is indeed considered an exploit, and players are warned to not follow in the exploiter's footsteps.
This thread will be closely moderated but for now will remain open in case there are questions that can be answered (per the above, understand that some questions will not be answered and something will not be posted publicly).
you havent notified us... even after petitions your staff hasnt said anything
ppl dont even understand this because they arent high level.. they just scream inequality even though they have no idea what they are screaming about..
just curious have ur clan killed baylor & balok yet or are you to low level to enter them ? they drop R99 armor so quite nice to farm ;)
1 - You have been playing this game for a long time to know what you can and shouldn't do.
2 - It doesn't hurt to dip your finger in a honey pot as what you did is stick your whole hand in it and didn't stop.
3 - Did you not realise how much of the xp you got would separate you from the rest of the fair playing people.
4 - Did you not realise how much you would be tampering the market adena wise.
5 - Did you not realise how much you disrespected your fellow clan mates or clan image.
6 - Was it fair for those other people spending real life money and buying ncoins to lvl up.
7 - Was it fair for those fair people following the rules of the game buying your weapons in which you 5 fingered it.
8 - What kind of dye's skill OE's do you have that others have not.
9 - How are they suppose to compete with you in oly when you 5 finger xp, adena, weapons etc...
10 - Do you seirously look at this fairly, sounds like to me your not only cheating on yourself but your clan mates etc.
11 - What you did clearly showed you power mongered the situation with your clan and aliance over other fair playing people.
I don't mind you going in and taking a peck a few times but what you did was abuse the system to a point in which you surely did know was going to separate you from everyone else xp and adena wise. Now i see you and your clan mates including your aliance mates cry over this and begging for a low penalty.
You should be stripped of Oly titles for the year and including your cheat mates. I want to see you and your cheat mates penalised heavily. C'mon, you seriously ignored all the warning signs. You should not have abused the system that much, a little yes but not to the point as clearly stated above.
Such a shame, seeing you as oly/xp/adena hero is a statue of shame in town for sure.
One of the greatest human weak points "Greeeeeeeeed", didn't the bible clearly show this with Eve biting on the apple. I guess you guy's didn't even leave the core of it.
1 - You have been playing this game for a long time to know what you can and shouldn't do.
2 - It doesn't hurt to dip your finger in a honey pot as what you did is stick your whole hand in it and didn't stop.
3 - Did you not realise how much of the xp you got would separate you from the rest of the fair playing people.
4 - Did you not realise how much you would be tampering the market adena wise.
5 - Did you not realise how much you disrespected your fellow clan mates or clan image.
6 - Was it fair for those other people spending real life money and buying ncoins to lvl up.
7 - Was it fair for those fair people following the rules of the game buying your weapons in which you 5 fingered it.
8 - What kind of dye's skill OE's do you have that others have not.
9 - How are they suppose to compete with you in oly when you 5 finger xp, adena, weapons etc...
10 - Do you seirously look at this fairly, sounds like to me your not only cheating on yourself but your clan mates etc.
11 - What you did clearly showed you power mongered the situation with your clan and aliance over other fair playing people.
I don't mind you going in and taking a peck a few times but what you did was abuse the system to a point in which you surely did know was going to separate you from everyone else xp and adena wise. Now i see you and your clan mates including your aliance mates cry over this and begging for a low penalty.
You should be stripped of Oly titles for the year and including your cheat mates. I want to see you and your cheat mates penalised heavily. C'mon, you seriously ignored all the warning signs. You should not have abused the system that much, a little yes but not to the point as clearly stated above.
Such a shame, seeing you as oly/xp/adena hero is a statue of shame in town for sure.
One of the greatest human weak points "Greeeeeeeeed", didn't the bible clearly show this with Eve biting on the apple. I guess you guy's didn't even leave the core of it.
1- we are not crying for lower penalty
2- we knew what we were doing and he never put a gun in our heads to run the instance
3- all his skill were already +10 long before Spezion
4- we made good amount of adena of Genesis drops and crafting. thanks to our great leader who was kind enough to be 90 so be could craft.
5-we did not damage the server is not our fault that we been playing this for so long we know how to level.
6- Nccoins is the whole idea for free to play is not our fault we have RL money to spend .
7- who is doing damage to the economy are the bots that sadly are everywhere not us!!
8- thanks to the last event we got all the dyes we need.
9- the END
This thread is getting a bit out of hand. Clearly everyone has a different opinion about what sort of action should be taken and also what does or does not constitute as an exploit. That is normal, it is human nature, but it is not a matter that is up to players to decide. The rules of the game are established and clear, and this matter and all ban matters are confidential between account owner and staff, and at the discretion of the staff.
Rest assured that appropriate action is being taken, but details on what happens as possible punishment and who it happens to cannot and will not be shared publicly on official sources. Every player that is affected by this has been notified of what they did and why they are being actioned, and if they choose to they can reply their notification and discuss it with staff in privacy. This public announcement thread serves in general as a declaration that abusing this bug is indeed considered an exploit, and players are warned to not follow in the exploiter's footsteps.
This thread will be closely moderated but for now will remain open in case there are questions that can be answered (per the above, understand that some questions will not be answered and something will not be posted publicly).
This is almost a year old known exploit which you have had 2 months to patch. The rules of this game are part of a two way contract, you have as much responsibility in this as much as any player does. My question is: why hasn't this been fixed yet? Why did it have to become a public issue before you made a statement? You should have access to the bug lists of the korean version, why not straight out state in the known issues thread list things your team considers exploits and that you will punish anyone using the known bug?
Clearly the people exploiting this particular bug are not going to get a lot of sympathy from the community. They are high level players with lots of in game wealth. But crucifying them isn't going to fix anything. It's a minor distraction at best. Ncsoft needs to do it's job in protecting the game and the community, rather than starting up a witch hunt and punishing a few well known players. As previously mentioned, there are plenty of other exploits having detrimental effects on our game and community. What makes this one special? Why is it a handful of parties doing in game content more often than "allowed" so serious that we have all of ncsoft in this thread? I'm more concerned about the hoards of bots taking up all the server slots and hunting grounds, rather than the richest and highest level players getting a little richer and a little higher. You can ban them for a month and they will still be higher level than 99% of the server. You can permanelly ban them and they would still be higher than almost everyone else in a month after coming back and being reequiped by their clans.
If you haters had half as much passion about this as you did with the real problems (bots), things might actually get done around here.
This is almost a year old known exploit which you have had 2 months to patch. The rules of this game are part of a two way contract, you have as much responsibility in this as much as any player does. My question is: why hasn't this been fixed yet? Why did it have to become a public issue before you made a statement? You should have access to the bug lists of the korean version, why not straight out state in the known issues thread list things your team considers exploits and that you will punish anyone using the known bug?
Clearly the people exploiting this particular bug are not going to get a lot of sympathy from the community. They are high level players with lots of in game wealth. But crucifying them isn't going to fix anything. It's a minor distraction at best. Ncsoft needs to do it's job in protecting the game and the community, rather than starting up a witch hunt and punishing a few well known players. As previously mentioned, there are plenty of other exploits having detrimental effects on our game and community. What makes this one special? Why is it a handful of parties doing in game content more often than "allowed" so serious that we have all of ncsoft in this thread? I'm more concerned about the hoards of bots taking up all the server slots and hunting grounds, rather than the richest and highest level players getting a little richer and a little higher. You can ban them for a month and they will still be higher level than 99% of the server. You can permanelly ban them and they would still be higher than almost everyone else in a month after coming back and being reequiped by their clans.
If you haters had half as much passion about this as you did with the real problems (bots), things might actually get done around here.
Amen. Be careful though, too much logic around here makes people angry.
High level players with in game wealth. I really can't stop laughing at this. OFC since you keep taking advantage of the exploit what do you expect.
Yes you have been playing hardcore we clearly KNOW.
Yes you are good players with exploited armor/adena/weapons we clearly KNOW.
Like i said to Hyno, did you not REALISE for crying out loud what could could come your way ?
I said it wouldn't hurt if you had taken a peck at it but you clearly went beyond that state. The warning signs clearly show now that your on stage what the audience thinks of you. Let me put it this way ok, 10 100 meter sprinters ready for the big sprint. The race is won by a steroid abuser, the person who came in second and third let's not forget the rest spent years training to win whilst someone just had to stuff it up with steroids.
Your actions are a perfect e.g.. I am not disputing how much wealth you had before, but how much you made from the exploit that affected the game economy. I did see most of you guys grinding in upper gog make no mistake about that but i also saw you so many times entering the raid boss ok. Yes NcSoft should have patched this up early just like many other things in the game which have yet to be abused to a point where it manipulates the market economy.
You guys seem to state how good of xp grinders you are and how wealthy you are without taking into consideration the fundamentals and principles of this game in a general view with all. It sounds like you do not look at other people but your self's and call them nubs cause they can't grind like u. Read most of your reply's. Now from what I am reading you are making out that you are the primary players in the game and the rest are second class and that you should be penalised softly. And on top your giving the point to ncsoft with a gun behind them or else.
So for the record, if you guys feel that you shouldn't be penalised due to ncsofts mistakes. Then clearly print out in this forum for all to see the xp/adena/weapopns you got from the exploit and hopefully ncosft could do the same then the audience can make their own opinion. Well it feels like everyone is in court but we are yet to see all the evidence. So why dont you guys print that out in this forum. We all want to know, hay maybe it would stop people thinking differently of you.
seriously ppl are proud of exping 19h daily ??? get a life! (btw. wut is pro in autoassist for hours ?? Why enmity parties pull very small quantity of mobs in upper ? simple: because most of party is semi-afk...)
Also most of that mobs smashers dont have chance in pvp when ppl will be same lvl - i heard many of that group of exploiters was beat by ppl 5 lvls lower... lmao
omg they so pro! they smash mobs 19 hours daily... i am so jealous but most ppls has family, full time job etc. :)
they smash mobs 19 hours daily but still use any possible exploit - shame!
Also hear means nothing Hypnocrit till u fight ppl with equal lvl & gear and u win only by "skill" so your "owning kids" in zero or 60 resist immortals sets is realy pro...
Funny that tyr hero from chronos beats that pro tyrs in twilight 5 lvls higher using noble vesper in clas based... this is skill of 19h grinders ????
Does that guy even thought at the possibility that no one would even believe that? 19 hours legit xp my ***... maybe played by several persons, but even so, we all know that's not true. So again stop being hypocrites (because is the lowest thing a person can be), and deal with what have you done.
4- GET OVER IT!!! play 19 hours a day and gain the exp we got with hard work.
I hope you don't think that's something to be proud of, because if you do you're beyond hope :rolleyes: I will give you a hint : get a life, go outside a bit and breathe the fresh air, maybe even get a girl (or blowup doll may be slightly easier for you)
Why is it so hard to believe that someone could consistently xp legit for 16+ hours a day?
If this really happens then you need to seek some professional help because you are making yourself sick. The human body is not made to sit in the same spot for 16 + hours a day and then sleep. I guess you sleep after no? Not much time left for anything else.
Beats me. I xp about 8 hours a day then I spend 8 of the other 16 sleeping, leaving 8 hours for productivity. I'm not sure how people xp for 2/3 of a day but I know there are plenty that do.
Beats me. I xp about 8 hours a day then I spend 8 of the other 16 sleeping, leaving 8 hours for productivity. I'm not sure how people xp for 2/3 of a day but I know there are plenty that do.
From 8 hours to 19 hours it's quite a bit difference mate. 8 hours yeah, sure it can be made, but then again 19+ hours each day if I read correctly... that's not happening. But speaking of, look @ SH people @ museum. That museum chart is screaming about botting people, yet nothing happens. So then again, who cares anymore...
I'm just saying things like 24-hour grind sessions aren't unheard of. It's borderline insane, but there are people who have been known to do it from time to time. Or grind insane hours for a couple days and take a day off.
It's not even the xp museum that's the most amusing on Naia, it's that all those toons have been in full parties nearly every minute the server has been up.
I'm just saying things like 24-hour grind sessions aren't unheard of. It's borderline insane, but there are people who have been known to do it from time to time. Or grind insane hours for a couple days and take a day off.
After your join date on forum, I don't know why I am even trying to convince you.
Convince me of what? I've been playing this game since closed beta and I've never cared enough to make a forum account until I started getting the registration screen when I try to read announcements. I'm well aware that Naia is nothing but a server of fully automated *popular third party program* users.
Convince me of what? I've been playing this game since closed beta and I've never cared enough to make a forum account until I started getting the registration screen when I try to read announcements. I'm well aware that Naia is nothing but a server of fully automated *popular third party program* users.
Do you even believe yourself? In almost 8 years you had nothing at all to say here? Are you Truelies? Because you do sound like him. Hypocrite and full of ****.
haha been a while I heard that name. I wonder if he's back. I remember the time I pvped him on my necro sub that was 10 lvls below his necro sub and when he lost he kept pming me for 1 hour after. Good times.
No I am not Truelies, nor am I a hypocrite for never making a forum account in all this time. I have nothing to say to a bunch of kids who spend more time crying on forums than they do actually playing the game, yet somehow still act like they have any idea what's going on. Look at you trying to call someone out on a video game forum, do you feel empowered now?
No I am not Truelies, nor am I a hypocrite for never making a forum account in all this time. I have nothing to say to a bunch of kids who spend more time crying on forums than they do actually playing the game, yet somehow still act like they have any idea what's going on. Look at you trying to call someone out on a video game forum, do you feel empowered now?
You must be a really weird person and I feel sorry for you. And I am no kid. Maybe this "kid thing" is a new way of mocking people these days. I see people being called as kids a lot by people that don't agree with their point of view, or are just but hurt. Anyway this is my last post to you since you are wasting my time already.
Once again your ability to read is destroying you.
I have not claimed here once that I have not gone back into Spezion instance before the instance timer was expired. Clearly my toon is guilty of this. I still would like to argue against this being a 7 day ban however. Ncsoft could have alerted the community that this was a known issue and to stop doing this immediatly should you be doing it. Infact the moment we found out this was an issue from the russian forums we did stop.. a conversation broke out within ventrilo and party chat about this,, and we went hands off with the spezion instance all together. We were playing the game the best way we knew how, and continue to,.. thats what allows you to win in lineage2, playing the best way you can find how within the rules. This was not declared as going against the rules.. so we played within the limits of the client to win. anybody would have done that, just so happends we were some of the first parties to find this.
My point is that what if you accidentally figured it out? NCsoft banned everyone who did it in anyway whatsoever, some of whome had no idea what they were about to do... not to mention we found it out ourselves by accident, and my point is right then and there we were guilty, no matter how we sliced it, we were going to receive 7 days. Is that clearer for you?
We arnt supposed to trash on these boards, but that is quickly where its going to.
There is no way I believe a dedicated group at your level hasn’t planned out every Raid Boss or quest available and the exact intervals in which to efficiently farm them. Just like each and every moment your guys spend leveling is meticulous “managed” I am willing to bet every single Raid Boss has been researched well in advanced. There is no way you guys went into that Raid not knowing how often you are supposed to access it. You claim to be so much better at this game than the rest of us and expect us to believe this one time you didn’t know what you were doing. Your people knew this exploit before you ever went in there. Be a man and accept the responsibility, you lead your group down this path and now you publically claim ignorance.
LOL all of you,
1-HYPNO IS NO 96
2-Hypno and all of us got our levels from UPPER GENESIS, from spezion we didn't even gain 1 level.
3- WE DO CRAFT and most of all drops and mats were from UPPER GENESIS. raid boss is not 100% drop but how would you know that? you can't even get inside Prison of Darkness LOL
4- GET OVER IT!!! play 19 hours a day and gain the exp we got with hard work.
Was I the only one that read that as "row your boat 19 hours a day"?
There is no way I believe a dedicated group at your level hasn’t planned out every Raid Boss or quest available and the exact intervals in which to efficiently farm them. Just like each and every moment your guys spend leveling is meticulous “managed” I am willing to bet every single Raid Boss has been researched well in advanced. There is no way you guys went into that Raid not knowing how often you are supposed to access it. You claim to be so much better at this game than the rest of us and expect us to believe this one time you didn’t know what you were doing. Your people knew this exploit before you ever went in there. Be a man and accept the responsibility, you lead your group down this path and now you publically claim ignorance.
Actually.. lol.. a lot of the raids we just kinda wing it at first.. and figure it out as we go..
We just are better players than 90% of the uselessness that inhabits this server.
So ya, take into account I lost all the xp from every spezion I went into, when I could have done almost double the amount with the 4 hour lock out then I did do. But every one is whining that they want us dlved to 85. That comes from players who don't put in any time or hard work into thier toons. Was there a glitch yes, but just the same as all the other glitches many benefit from. For years the delusion chamber was glitched and ppl raked in the rewards and xp from that and nothing was said about it no one was banned, evetually it was changed. I really don't see the difference. Valakas was glitched for years as well, leading many to fill up their coffers. Dinosaur Island is still glitched and nothing has been done about that or ppl banned for that glitch. So Please tell me What was the difference between this glitch and the previous ones before it??? This does not have anything to do with the glitche, but rather all the lowbies crying because some 95+ toons got a whole 50% if even that. Your just jealous that we actually worked our bums off to get our lvl and you can't get past 90.
man looks like you haven't play online as much as other people, if someone wants to play 19- 20 -22 hours a day what is the PROBLEM?, is their life it is not urs and they can do whatever they want with it... go play instead of wasting time replying to this forum and get over it.
why so jelous? what do you care about other peoples life.. isn't enough to care about your and you love ones?
I play hard, and I play to win. Not much else can be said. See you on the field chums.
Win what exactly? Im really curious, is there a lottery here that can payout millions or something? Or maybe a job for life as a ... "__________" <- fill in this blank.
I play for fun and that's all. The only winner in these games is the company that makes them and who you pay a monthly sub or buy from their stores.
Win what exactly? Im really curious, is there a lottery here that can payout millions or something? Or maybe a job for life as a ... "__________" <- fill in this blank.
I play for fun and that's all. The only winner in these games is the company that makes them and who you pay a monthly sub or buy from their stores.
Win what exactly? Im really curious, is there a lottery here that can payout millions or something? Or maybe a job for life as a ... "Software Developer".
I play for fun and that's all. The only winner in these games is the company that makes them and who you pay a monthly sub or buy from their stores.
You try playing 15 hours a day while holding down a full time contracting job. I slept 50 hours total in december.
There is no way I believe a dedicated group at your level hasn’t planned out every Raid Boss or quest available and the exact intervals in which to efficiently farm them. Just like each and every moment your guys spend leveling is meticulous “managed” I am willing to bet every single Raid Boss has been researched well in advanced. There is no way you guys went into that Raid not knowing how often you are supposed to access it. You claim to be so much better at this game than the rest of us and expect us to believe this one time you didn’t know what you were doing. Your people knew this exploit before you ever went in there. Be a man and accept the responsibility, you lead your group down this path and now you publically claim ignorance.
Nobody gives a **** what you believe you ******* baddie. Most raids can be done by any halfass group with zero planning. If you actually played the game you would know that but you are content to sit on the forums all day and run your mouth.
So ya, take into account I lost all the xp from every spezion I went into, when I could have done almost double the amount with the 4 hour lock out then I did do. But every one is whining that they want us dlved to 85. That comes from players who don't put in any time or hard work into thier toons. Was there a glitch yes, but just the same as all the other glitches many benefit from. For years the delusion chamber was glitched and ppl raked in the rewards and xp from that and nothing was said about it no one was banned, evetually it was changed. I really don't see the difference. Valakas was glitched for years as well, leading many to fill up their coffers. Dinosaur Island is still glitched and nothing has been done about that or ppl banned for that glitch. So Please tell me What was the difference between this glitch and the previous ones before it??? This does not have anything to do with the glitche, but rather all the lowbies crying because some 95+ toons got a whole 50% if even that. Your just jealous that we actually worked our bums off to get our lvl and you can't get past 90.
PS. Flame on lowbies
GM SACE can I get an official reply to this post please I want to know the view points on this and why they differ from previous glitches. Also can we get some clearly defined rules what is considered a bug and what is considered normal game play.
Gratz on being the greatest L2 player that ever existed; I am certain that your family are very proud of you.
We, the other players of this now "free" game, can only imagine what it would be like to play as hard and as well as you do.
I am forever hopeful that even more statues and official records will be made public for the L2 community. Every time a player walks through a town and see the "Hypnobot" statue we can be reminded of what it takes to be the very best that L2 can offer.
Nobody gives a **** what you believe you ******* baddie. Most raids can be done by any halfass group with zero planning. If you actually played the game you would know that but you are content to sit on the forums all day and run your mouth.
Once again you fail at reading comprehension… I know any half-witted player in a pickup group can do any regular raid. Obviously you and your crew get raids done on a whim and may stumble here and there while doing your daily tasks. This sort of raiding or questing is a choice or a default way of gaming depending on your mental capacity or skill set. To once again clarify for those unable understand the concepts within my previous post.
The high end raids require some form of organization. Group composition and structured execution is normally desired for a quick and successful high-end raid. Some clans and constant groups actually research and plan how they will execute raids throughout any given week, efficiently farm Raid Boss spawn cycle. Some clans and constant groups take the time to research and plan efficiently grinding XP. If this is truly unknown to you or those you associate with then I am honored to have enlighten you and yours.
I know you carry some resentment towards my views and opinions and enjoy replying to my comments with enthusiastic negativity. I enjoy your discourse and attempts to defame my Lineage 2 street credit, you often make me chuckle. When it comes to actually playing this wonderful game I enjoy being in game just as much as I enjoy browsing these forums.
P.S. Your attention is very flattering and I can only hope to continue to inspire your growth.
only point I care to make is that those of us who do play this game regularly KNOW that the majority of top pvpers/pve'ers automate their gameplay to TRY to stay competitive.
You all cant lock down the best pve spots without botting/z-ra.....er
do you think everyone is stupid? of course you do, because ncwest wont stop it...so you keep on doing it trying to be the best
and once you think you are the best, you sell all your stuff for rmt along with your toon and the cycle continues
or you get busted and buy another toon and the cycle continues
the community is not stupid, just ncwest...or maybe they llike making profit of this competition to be the best bot
To the ones that got banned. You still continue to separate yourselves from the rest of the playing field idolizing yourselves. You still continue to post how efficient you are with xp. Well since your efficient with gaining xp let's see how efficient you are posting it in the forums to defend yourself's.
Ok let's hear it.
1. How much xp did you gain per lvl and what mobs were u grinding and where thats for each level.
2. How long did it take you to get that xp per lvl.
3. What group composition did you have to achieve this.
Someone efficient and efficient people are not afraid to post their actions. Your time spending on grinding in certain locations based on the xp you acquired can be easily calculated with your real life activities outside of the game.
There is a calculation limit for you to reach per hour, per level, per day etc.. and I'm sure Ncsoft is looking at this right now. Since you guys are so efficient how about you post it up yourselves.
You still continue to look at yourselves as the primary players in this game and have no respect for the others. If your so efficient and not full of words then post the numbers well thats if your efficient enough.
To the ones that got banned. You still continue to separate yourselves from the rest of the playing field idolizing yourselves. You still continue to post how efficient you are with xp. Well since your efficient with gaining xp let's see how efficient you are posting it in the forums to defend yourself's.
Ok let's hear it.
1. How much xp did you gain per lvl and what mobs were u grinding and where thats for each level.
2. How long did it take you to get that xp per lvl.
3. What group composition did you have to achieve this.
Someone efficient and efficient people are not afraid to post their actions. Your time spending on grinding in certain locations based on the xp you acquired can be easily calculated with your real life activities outside of the game.
There is a calculation limit for you to reach per hour, per level, per day etc.. and I'm sure Ncsoft is looking at this right now. Since you guys are so efficient how about you post it up yourselves.
You still continue to look at yourselves as the primary players in this game and have no respect for the others. If your so efficient and not full of words then post the numbers well thats if your efficient enough.
LOL find out that by yourself beside is none of you **** business what we do or how we do it, focus on something else and leave Hypno alone geez people GET OVER IT. what's done , is done Ncsoft already punished those who did spezion bug, besides Spezion there is nothing to talk about.
Becoming very aggressive are we now. Crying like a baby not wanting to be belted by dads leather belt aye. We obviously know what it takes to lvl and where to lvl. Let me remind you child.
YOU DO WRONG IN THIS WORLD THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND FACE ALL THE S***** THAT COMES YOUR WAY. AND IF YOU ARE WISE THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH ZIPPED.
You did wrong, you abused the system and on top your telling people to shut their mouths just like the royal family did in russia back in the great days of hunger only to find themselves of wrong doing and end up dead.
Someone like you perfectly shows me you don't read, have not learnt any history probably doesn't know the meaning of it as it clearly shows you learn nothing in life but GREED.
Just to help you about life here is a link about the human race, maybe you just might learn what you should and shouldn't do in this world. http://www.besthistorysites.net/
Becoming very aggressive are we now. Crying like a baby not wanting to be belted by dads leather belt aye. We obviously know what it takes to lvl and where to lvl. Let me remind you child.
YOU DO WRONG IN THIS WORLD THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND FACE ALL THE S***** THAT COMES YOUR WAY. AND IF YOU ARE WISE THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH ZIPPED.
You did wrong, you abused the system and on top your telling people to shut their mouths just like the royal family did in russia back in the great days of hunger only to find themselves of wrong doing and end up dead.
Someone like you perfectly shows me you don't read, have not learnt any history probably doesn't know the meaning of it as it clearly shows you learn nothing in life but GREED.
I know what these suckers are doing, they don't want people like us posting in the forums to keep it quiet so they can be punished softly. I ain't gonna let this one go by. It's them that should not be posting anything on this forum since there guilty.
Do you think they would have a chance against popular brands like "Blizzard Entertainment", NO. Read my lips N.........O............. and if they had taken any action against blizzard they would either end up in court. Def wanna see them get perm banned.
You also have to take into consideration if you let these players continue who else they will attract to their evil doings. Then the disease spreads and affects the whole game in general making it a less popular game to play and also not attracting new players to enter the game. It's people like that which can end a games popularity and balance.
You got to ask yourself do you want Lineage 2 to end due to people who recently got banned. No. Did you put in all those hard years of work for those people just to come and destroy it No. Please note i'm not judging them on their skill but on their wrong doings in the game that affects the game popularity and balance in the long run.
I know what these suckers are doing, they don't want people like us posting in the forums to keep it quiet so they can be punished softly. I ain't gonna let this one go by. It's them that should not be posting anything on this forum since there guilty.
Do you think they would have a chance against popular brands like "Blizzard Entertainment", NO. Read my lips N.........O............. and if they had taken any action against blizzard they would either end up in court. Def wanna see them get perm banned.
You also have to take into consideration if you let these players continue who else they will attract to their evil doings. Then the disease spreads and affects the whole game in general making it a less popular game to play and also not attracting new players to enter the game. It's people like that which can end a games popularity and balance.
You got to ask yourself do you want Lineage 2 to end due to people who recently got banned. No. Did you put in all those hard years of work for those people just to come and destroy it No. Please note i'm not judging them on their skill but on their wrong doings in the game that affects the game popularity and balance in the long run.
Quite so Chippi Chappy (if i may dote this moniker on you). Yes these people are a stain on the community, a veritable Cthulhu if you will. Their cancerous tentacles reach into the very foundations of Aden, extraction would be quite a difficult undertaking. From the lowly kamalokas and delusion chambers, to the Frintezzas and Spezions, even the great Valakas was brought to his knees by such a blight. Everything from these raids must be deleted without remorse for they carry the sins of their fathers. From the lowly B grade gear from the kamalokas, the Necklaces of Frintezza, the Baiums, the Apocalypse weapons spewn from Spezion's coffers, the Icarus and Blessed enchant scrolls from the delusion chambers, and dare I say it? The very enchanted....ness of such ancient weapons blessed by those accursed scrolls. The gods should roll back the hands of time removing all of the coveted experience gained. All of it must be cast into the pit, and with them the very fornicators that brought them into existence. The very server itself will not be safe until everything but luxury shop items are removed.
Quite so Chippi Chappy (if i may dote this moniker on you). Yes these people are a stain on the community, a veritable Cthulhu if you will. Their cancerous tentacles reach into the very foundations of Aden, extraction would be quite a difficult undertaking. From the lowly kamalokas and delusion chambers, to the Frintezzas and Spezions, even the great Valakas was brought to his knees by such a blight. Everything from these raids must be deleted without remorse for they carry the sins of their fathers. From the lowly B grade gear from the kamalokas, the Necklaces of Frintezza, the Baiums, the Apocalypse weapons spewn from Spezion's coffers, the Icarus and Blessed enchant scrolls from the delusion chambers, and dare I say it? The very enchanted....ness of such ancient weapons blessed by those accursed scrolls. The gods should roll back the hands of time removing all of the coveted experience gained. All of it must be cast into the pit, and with them the very fornicators that brought them into existence. The very server itself will not be safe until everything but luxury shop items are removed.
XPing average of 8 hours a day:
To 90: AOE in SOA with Bday pots/50% XP Rune/10% Mentee XP pulling 5-6 groups at a time = 90 in 2 weeks. Group was 3 DD+misc fourth spot.
To 94+: AOE in GOG with Bday pots or Xmas event buff (how many people abused that one? ban them all)/50% XP Rune/10% Mentee XP; 20%+ a day to 92, 10%+ a day at 93+. Same group. Oh and 2-3 Spezion per day for 3 weeks.
The key to xping efficiently, as shocking as this may sound, is to not waste time. Have set hours to start xp every day. Login, make group, go to xp spot and start grinding. Everyone takes food break/etc at the same time for minimal downtime. You'd be amazed how quickly your xp bar goes up when you take it seriously.
People who have not reached end-game think they have everything figured out: everyone higher level than you bots, and everyone richer than you buys adena. That is the only possibly explanation for those things in their minds, and it's completely wrong. I couldn't care less what people post, others' opinions of me matter not to me in the slightest. It amuses me greatly to see someone get so upset over what another person says to them online or in a video game and let it affect their attitudes and causes them to post utter nonsense. You can cry all you want about how NCSoft is being way too lenient because they're not Blizzard, who would apparently execute a cheater in real life, but your comparison is severely flawed. Blizzard is a good company, I'll give you that much, but you're comparing games and consequences in the same way that apples and firetrucks are related--they're both red. Consequences delivered by both companies are proportional to the amount of time that needs to be invested into the game. It's still funny that people continue to state their radical opinions and get all offended when NCSoft doesn't submit to their angry will because they do not and will not ever care what players have to say about how they have and should punish players in their game. Get over yourselves, and rage on.
Becoming very aggressive are we now. Crying like a baby not wanting to be belted by dads leather belt aye. We obviously know what it takes to lvl and where to lvl. Let me remind you child.
YOU DO WRONG IN THIS WORLD THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND FACE ALL THE S***** THAT COMES YOUR WAY. AND IF YOU ARE WISE THEN KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH ZIPPED.
You did wrong, you abused the system and on top your telling people to shut their mouths just like the royal family did in russia back in the great days of hunger only to find themselves of wrong doing and end up dead.
Someone like you perfectly shows me you don't read, have not learnt any history probably doesn't know the meaning of it as it clearly shows you learn nothing in life but GREED.
Just to help you about life here is a link about the human race, maybe you just might learn what you should and shouldn't do in this world. http://www.besthistorysites.net/
looks like someone either needs love or get laid LOL
Honestly I'm not irritated by the fact this bug or exploit was abused and there was "gains" made by it clearly. What really grates my cheeks is that not only did these people do this,but now here you are defending your names claiming everyone else sucks and because they haven't managed to hit 90+ yet they can't play the game. If you played the game legit you should be near 90,but not at cap. I find it entirely irritating that you're doing nothing but sucking up the attention since this little gem of an announcement was posted for the community to blast you for. You deserve to be punished and you honestly got a slap on the hands for it. It was only a matter of time that you got your hand caught in the cookie jar.
I myself have played legit since open beta, I know how to make money it's not hard and I may not be 90+,but at least I've been honest. I don't think anyone needs to be able to do this raid instance to know what you were doing wasn't right. I honestly think there's a lot more details to this whole thing than we know and you are not admitting to. For someone who claims no one else has a life hypnocrit I think you should seriously take a long hard look at yourself.
Moneygrand all i have to say to you is, I am getting laid and I think your not since your numbers clearly show that.
Shunsui is right in some way. You have to be very efficient in ways of gaining xp. Log in don't waste time and execute properly. I admit you have gained levels well in some way because your in a big clan and have the numbers not to run a random party which is time consuming at times getting one. True in relations to the buffs, runes etcc. I"ve done that myself and it's really not that hard to get to 90.
As for moneygrand, do you respect the ppl around you. Don't you read. Taking a peck dont hurt. But as some said before me, you obviously read about this and didn't go in blind getting that xp. So you knew beforehand all about the exploit and took advantage Yes or No ???
I believe you honestly i do. We all do. You work so hard it clearly shows statistically and economically.
So you guys are still hanging onto this thread like it's the last supper with jesus right. Figure out who judas is. Prove me wrong, why is ncsoft baning you and the others ?.. Just cause you work hard right.
Nice, before you hang yourself at the judas tree I'm sure there will be many around waiting for the coins to drop out of your pockets.
Honestly, i dont bot. I just play alot, dont get angry at me because i work hard ;(
Nobody can prove if you bot or not so that accusation can't be thrown at you. Maybe you do play a lot and maybe you have a limitless credit card to supply yourself with items to boost yourself,but the reason why players in the community are irritated with you is because you knew you were doing something you shouldn't and abused it way more than you're admitting. The punishment you got was merely a slap on the hand. That was your warning,you're lucky you didn't get perma banned. I don't have a problem with people out leveling me,out gearing me,out pvping me and so on. Some people just are better,they have time and the means to buy items and I'm not holding that against them,but what I can't stand is someone who can't be honest then bad mouths everyone else just because you're mad you got busted.
XPing average of 8 hours a day:
The key to xping efficiently, as shocking as this may sound, is to not waste time. Have set hours to start xp every day. Login, make group, go to xp spot and start grinding.
You have omitted just one small detail:
the self-proclaimed "top pvp clans" (especially those with "nov" in their names) usually have just one live player (the driver) in their "perfectly set-up, efficient xp parties", while the rest are automated. I assume those drivers work in shifts, that's how they manage to keep their parties going 16+ hours a day.
To everyone:
take a look at the museum stats and see how many hours the "top xpers" spend in battle per day: simply, it is not humanly possible. I could believe if there were just 2 or 3 unique individuals per server who'd be able to spend 16-18 hours a day playing with just a few hours left for sleep/food/bio/brushing their yellowteeth etc, just not hundreds or even dozens. Gimme a break.
P.S. Each and every "pve champion" (from the aforementioned museum records) I've encountered in 85+ hunting grounds appeared to be a 200% bot. Honestly I can't say anything about the 90+ areas as I haven't checked them yet but somehow I doubt it's much different over there.
You must be kidding me right? Im using an exploit every time I play?
NCSoft declared this bug as an exploit. Get your reasoning in check, not every bug is an exploit.
This bug is an XP + adena exploit.
You knowingly used this cheat to gain an unfair advantage in adena and exp against the rest of the server, enjoy your ban and I hope you get deleveled and stripped of all items.
The issue is the consistency of NCSoft's "enforcement" of their own rules.
In this case, they didn't announce the exploit or warn those using the exploit at all before banning.
Compare that to, as others have pointed out, the Valakas exploit, rampant Ranger use that goes almost completely unfettered, botting, enchanters rezzing during sieges without being restricted by siege rules, overenchanting exploits, and even the vitality star event item exploit.
All of those exploits/cheats have been/are still being handled completely inconsistently with this exploit, either in how the rules are actually enforced (immediate temp bans, warnings first, etc.) or whether or not they're even considered exploits.
Botters knowingly employ the use of 3rd party programs to gain unfair advantages, but not only are they warned beforehand that it's against the EULA to do so in multiple places, but they also get three temp bans to stop botting before they're permabanned.
Ranger users are given the same warnings, yet the ones that get temp banned for it are fewer and even farther in between than botters.
How about the vitality star event item exploiters? No one was warned for it, despite it clearly being an exploit, and the event was patched without anyone getting banned.
If anyone here has benefited from using any of these (or other) exploits/cheats, and if they're at all interested in being honest rather than attempting to rationalize bias, then with just the vitality star event item exploit being considered, I'm sure that 80% of each server should go ahead and ask for a 7-day ban for themselves as well.
Or is that the reason why NCSoft deemed this particular instance suitable for warning-less bans? That, compared to the number of Ranger users/botters, vitality star event item exploiters, etc., the potential financial loss from this small group of players is miniscule enough to allow actually enforcing the rules of the game for once?
If it's just a matter of how many people are benefiting from the exploit that makes the difference between the myriad of ways NCSoft chooses to enforce their rules (or not enforce them, in the case of some cheats/exploits), then we should all probably start freely using cheats/exploits according to how popularly they're used, starting with Ranger.
Vitality star seems minor compared to exploiting a major raid. Given they knew exactly what they were doing was against the game they did it anyways. Lootness reported the bug,but still knowingly did it. There were people who went in one or two times that got a ban too so it must have really got the GM's attention. Hypnocit bots and that's been confirmed by some reliable sources. He doesn't work hard for his levels and he's not better than anyone. It's all crap after asking around.
Vitality star seems minor compared to exploiting a major raid. Given they knew exactly what they were doing was against the game they did it anyways. Lootness reported the bug,but still knowingly did it. There were people who went in one or two times that got a ban too so it must have really got the GM's attention. Hypnocit bots and that's been confirmed by some reliable sources. He doesn't work hard for his levels and he's not better than anyone. It's all crap after asking around.
Basically, any exploit you and your friends do is no big deal, any exploit someone else does is. Yeah that's pretty consistent with the 12yearold logic on this forum. It's the same deal with the server time changes. I don't care if he bots or not, that isn't the issue. The issue is he is higher level than you and that makes you sad. You guys have found a loop hole to punish him, and rather than telling ncsoft to do their job and enforce their rules, you want a public hanging for mild entertainment because he broke something that was not yet labled as a nono. Ncsoft tells us everyday that botting is a nono, tons of people do it, but we only get a thread about rule breaking when it involves a handful of easily spotted people. If he has been botting all this time, where the hell has all your outrage been? Only now is it suddenly an issue for you guys. We found a witch, may we burn her!? BURN HER!!
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Pretty sure there were at least 10 +1's in there.
Vitality star seems minor compared to exploiting a major raid.
Anyone who abused that for perma full vit made way more xp in that week than anyone doing Spezion did in a few days.
Given they knew exactly what they were doing was against the game they did it anyways.
So even though everyone who used the vitality star bug knew they were using it in a way that was not intended, it's ok because this was, in your words, only a minor bug?
Basically, any exploit you and your friends do is no big deal, any exploit someone else does is. Yeah that's pretty consistent with the 12yearold logic on this forum. It's the same deal with the server time changes. I don't care if he bots or not, that isn't the issue. The issue is he is higher level than you and that makes you sad. You guys have found a loop hole to punish him, and rather than telling ncsoft to do their job and enforce their rules, you want a public hanging for mild entertainment because he broke something that was not yet labled as a nono. Ncsoft tells us everyday that botting is a nono, tons of people do it, but we only get a thread about rule breaking when it involves a handful of easily spotted people. If he has been botting all this time, where the hell has all your outrage been? Only now is it suddenly an issue for you guys. We found a witch, may we burn her!? BURN HER!!
Stop making so much sense. That pretty much sums up the attitude of most people in this thread. I love inconsistencies in rage.
I personally think that if the bug was there and reported it's ncsofts issue for not dealing with it AND STILL HAVENT DEALT with it. I know plenty of times when I joined a group doing freya or frint which is an instance and someone didn't realize their timer wasnt up and we got an error... why is this instance any different? I dont believe that someone who went into the said raid under the acceptable time frames should have been punished either. how would they know if they were invited to group that the others had already been in the instance? it's absolutely absurd to punish people for accepting a party invite but that's once again what is being done. And for everyone crying about them getting xp and drops and screwing up the market blah blah blah ... isn't that what all the farmers/botters have been doing for years and nothings been done to put them outta commission so why publicly prosecute these characters when they have already been punished.
Get over it.
Vitality star seems minor compared to exploiting a major raid. Given they knew exactly what they were doing was against the game they did it anyways. Lootness reported the bug,but still knowingly did it. There were people who went in one or two times that got a ban too so it must have really got the GM's attention. Hypnocit bots and that's been confirmed by some reliable sources. He doesn't work hard for his levels and he's not better than anyone. It's all crap after asking around.
The vitality star that basically let everyone xp at full vit for what? Two or three weeks before it was patched? The vitality star exploit that everyone knew exactly what they were doing was against the game rules, but still did it anyway?
Furthermore, I would say that the overenchant exploit, Ranger/botting are far more severe cheats/exploits, yet the overenchant exploit went completely unpunished and Ranger/botting gets plenty of warnings everywhere (from the forum to in-game system message announcements when you log in) before getting three temp bans, if you even ever get caught in the first place.
Also, unlike the vitality star exploit that the vast majority didn't even bother reporting as a bug and still got away with it without any kind of punishment from NCSoft, Lootness apparently reported this exploit and didn't even get a response as a confirmation/warning before getting insta-final temp ban (again, compared to the abundance of warnings and 3-strikes policy for Ranger/botting).
Whether or not Hypnocrit bots is completely irrelevant to the issue of the exploit, and it demonstrates your bias towards simply wanting any kind of punishment done towards him rather than an objective perspective about whether or not the bans were fair.
NCSoft's inconsistent EULA enforcement demonstrates their inability to appropriately administer their game (no warnings/confirmation of the exploit before handing out final temp bans when Ranger users/botters run rampant with plenty of warning and a 3-strikes cushion if they ever get caught? No punishments for the vitality star, Valakas, overenchant exploits?) as a result of how out-of-touch they are with their player base and the game itself.
I wonder how many days I'll get banned from the forum for saying that?
so im assuming this is the reason why i was banned.. even though NCsoft NA gave no prior details or warnings..?
thnx.
p.s. many of the people you banned had only gone into the instance once/were invited to go and had no idea what the instance was or anything.. You basically banned people for doing nothing wrong just joining a party and doing spezion one time... way to go... and then when peitioned and asked questions, simply ignored us... amazing...
I would ignore you too, Your lucky you didn't get caught earlier to get the lvl to do this instance. These guys say what about the bots. LOLZ, Think these bannings are perfect. NCsoft these players that did this ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE LIVE PLAYERS OF THE SERVER.
Vitality star seems minor compared to exploiting a major raid. Given they knew exactly what they were doing was against the game they did it anyways. Lootness reported the bug,but still knowingly did it. There were people who went in one or two times that got a ban too so it must have really got the GM's attention. Hypnocit bots and that's been confirmed by some reliable sources. He doesn't work hard for his levels and he's not better than anyone. It's all crap after asking around.
lol hypnocrit, people in his clan, read the statues. They where laughing at NCsoft for the longest time. GJ NCsoft, don't stop please. Keep checking on these people that laugh in your face week after week.
You try playing 15 hours a day while holding down a full time contracting job. I slept 50 hours total in december.
Of course you must play at your full time job because the definition of full time means that you would be minimum 9 - 5 at work and that would rule out playing 15 or 19 hours per day. I hope your boss doesn't notice because it tends to get you fired if you put in your full time playing lol
Basically, any exploit you and your friends do is no big deal, any exploit someone else does is. Yeah that's pretty consistent with the 12yearold logic on this forum. It's the same deal with the server time changes. I don't care if he bots or not, that isn't the issue. The issue is he is higher level than you and that makes you sad. You guys have found a loop hole to punish him, and rather than telling ncsoft to do their job and enforce their rules, you want a public hanging for mild entertainment because he broke something that was not yet labled as a nono. Ncsoft tells us everyday that botting is a nono, tons of people do it, but we only get a thread about rule breaking when it involves a handful of easily spotted people. If he has been botting all this time, where the hell has all your outrage been? Only now is it suddenly an issue for you guys. We found a witch, may we burn her!? BURN HER!!
I'm not 12 ok and I'm not level 60. Let's try 29 and lvl 86. It wasn't suddenly an issue,it's ALWAYS been an issue. The proof is in the museum, any idiot can see that including you if you bothered to notice. It's a long time coming he got caught and couldn't be happier. When I log in I don't log in 6 other accounts to xp,I actually have to make a party with other people in my clan..OMG imagine that! I actually didn't exploit the vitality star and I didn't because I'm too lazy to go back to town and give up my spot. Being I have a stock pile of vit stuff anyways. How do you propose that NC punish entire servers...oh wait they have been with the lag,full servers,shot lag and account hacks.
Hypno bots, I've heard it first hand from people who've been in his clan and know him. And now that he's on a ban he can't transfer himself and his bots to Magmeld so good riddance. Legit players don't win and this is a small victory for the rest of us who fight everyday with people like him on our servers. I hope they roll his levels back and confiscate his exploited items. Let that be the example.
I would say that the overenchant exploit, Ranger/botting are far more severe cheats/exploits, yet the overenchant exploit went completely unpunished and Ranger/botting gets plenty of warnings everywhere (from the forum to in-game system message announcements when you log in) before getting three temp bans, if you even ever get caught in the first place.
NCSoft's inconsistent EULA enforcement demonstrates their inability to appropriately administer their game (no warnings/confirmation of the exploit before handing out final temp bans when Ranger users/botters run rampant with plenty of warning and a 3-strikes cushion if they ever get caught?
I second that.
Moreover, I state that any botter (even a lvl 20 one) causes more harm to the game than Hypno & his crew did with their so-called "exploit".
While someone would complain that they "made too much money from these raids" I could give you a different example:
a 100% botted clan arrives to Chronos, recruits more bots dumped from other clans, and, having vastly outleveled the competitors, puts on lockdown the most lucrative hunting grounds, farms them 24/7 with their fully (or semi-) automated parties (using tons of Anakim scrolls for AoE) and later on we see members of that clan bragging in hero chat how they are going to sell thousands of attribute stones they've farmed down there.
It's obvious they wouldn't be able to accomplish that without those botted up toons, yet NCsoft did nothing to them except maybe a few random bans here and there (at which they just laughed, while retrieving brand new toons from their trains to replace the banned ones).
That state of things lasted for months, due to NCsoft's inability to deal with botters. But now the GMs pretend to be "doing something" as they've caught someone abusing a sloppily programmed feature (GoD PTS, anyone?).
P.S. When I disconnect in the middle of SoA instance, sometimes it lets me re-enter and sometimes not (then I'm ripped off my xp and quest items both). How do I know in which case the game is working correctly? And if it's broken how do I get compensated, as I feel 'exploited' by its broken design?
Moreover, I state that any botter (even a lvl 20 one) causes more harm to the game than Hypno & his crew did with their so-called "exploit".
While someone would complain that they "made too much money from these raids" I could give you a different example:
a 100% botted clan arrives to Chronos, recruits more bots dumped from other clans, and, having vastly outleveled the competitors, puts on lockdown the most lucrative hunting grounds, farms them 24/7 with their fully (or semi-) automated parties (using tons of Anakim scrolls for AoE) and later on we see members of that clan bragging in hero chat how they are going to sell thousands of attribute stones they've farmed down there.
It's obvious they wouldn't be able to accomplish that without those botted up toons, yet NCsoft did nothing to them except maybe a few random bans here and there (at which they just laughed, while retrieving brand new toons from their trains to replace the banned ones).
That state of things lasted for months, due to NCsoft's inability to deal with botters. But now the GMs pretend to be "doing something" as they've caught someone abusing a sloppily programmed feature (GoD PTS, anyone?).
P.S. When I disconnect in the middle of SoA instance, sometimes it lets me re-enter and sometimes not (then I'm ripped off my xp and quest items both). How do I know in which case the game is working correctly. And if it's broken how do I get compensated, as I feel 'exploited' by its broken design?
I agree with this also. Perfect example last night on Magmeld. Went to go help some clannies level in HB green and there's an entire bot train or semi bot train there,we took turn reporting them while taking as much mobs as we could from them. I bet they'll still be there all week.
I'm not 12 ok and I'm not level 60. Let's try 29 and lvl 86. It wasn't suddenly an issue,it's ALWAYS been an issue. The proof is in the museum, any idiot can see that including you if you bothered to notice. It's a long time coming he got caught and couldn't be happier. When I log in I don't log in 6 other accounts to xp,I actually have to make a party with other people in my clan..OMG imagine that! I actually didn't exploit the vitality star and I didn't because I'm too lazy to go back to town and give up my spot. Being I have a stock pile of vit stuff anyways. How do you propose that NC punish entire servers...oh wait they have been with the lag,full servers,shot lag and account hacks.
Hypno bots, I've heard it first hand from people who've been in his clan and know him. And now that he's on a ban he can't transfer himself and his bots to Magmeld so good riddance. Legit players don't win and this is a small victory for the rest of us who fight everyday with people like him on our servers. I hope they roll his levels back and confiscate his exploited items. Let that be the example.
First of all, again you've proven that you're incapable of objectively looking at this matter - your only interest in this is to cheer the punishment those banned (particularly Hypnocrit) by NCSoft's inconsistent handling of cheats/exploits because of reasons completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Second, Eva said that your logic is of a 12-year-old variety, not your physical age.
As for the rest of what you wrote, it pretty much amounts to this:
"Even though I've never even so much as seen Hypnocrit xp myself, people tell me that he bots, his museum statistics are really impressive, and I think that he's capable of multiboxing while I can't, so that means he must bot."
Basically, it's simple hearsay and logical fallacy being paraded around as "facts."
To illustrate how this argument doesn't even have a leg to stand upon, I'll use you as an example:
"1Peri1 bots, I've heard it first hand from people who've been in his clan and know him/her. And now that he's/she's on a ban he/she can't transfer himself and his/her bots to Magmeld so good riddance. Legit players don't win and this is a small victory for the rest of us who fight everyday with people like him/her on our servers. I hope they roll his/her levels back and confiscate his/her exploited items. Let that be the example."
See how that works? Just by changing the name and adding a few gender modifiers, I pretty much have the same "evidence" that you do re: whether or not you bot.
And if you hadn't noticed, Elzar's right up there with Hypnocrit in the museum statistics. Does that alone mean that Elzar is botting, as well?
With Hypnocrit leaving for Magmeld, that would make Elzar the new #1 in XP (he's already #1 for this month's XP) on Chronos. Are you going to throw the same fit over him as much as you have against Hypnocrit?
What ranking on the Museum XP chart would be a low enough threshold to arbitrarily deem someone as "low enough to be legit?" And what unquestionable and irrefutable criteria would determine that ranking?
Instead of hating each other...why dont you guys make a list with other exploits so ppl can avoid taking advantage of them by mistake?
I wouldnt say that if NC hadnt announced this thread cause the list i ask for...might be info for wannabe cheaters.
I sympathize 3rd world country farmers for ruining our games just to get a plate of food....BUT i cant accept it and i find it kinda stupid that NC puts the effort to ban real players (even if they deserve it) and almost 0 effort for farmers :(
Cant understand why is so hard and how we can help.
I sympathize 3rd world country farmers for ruining our games just to get a plate of food....BUT i cant accept it and i find it kinda stupid that NC puts the effort to ban real players (even if they deserve it) and almost 0 effort for farmers :(
Because a lot of the so-called "real players" are directly responsible for farmers' activity as they support them with their RL money. And some other "real players" run their own bot trains to compete against farmers at the cheating field. Don't blame the farmers, blame their customers.
I just find it funny how members of the top clans throw stones at each other in this thread like pots calling kettles black. Exploiters vs botters, raidboss farmes vs radar-powered pvpers and so on.
Honest players can only sit back and watch this epic struggle for there can't be a real winner, as long as NCsoft is turning a blind eye to the most blatant cheaters.
Instead of hating each other...why dont you guys make a list with other exploits so ppl can avoid taking advantage of them by mistake?
I wouldnt say that if NC hadnt announced this thread cause the list i ask for...might be info for wannabe cheaters.
I sympathize 3rd world country farmers for ruining our games just to get a plate of food....BUT i cant accept it and i find it kinda stupid that NC puts the effort to ban real players (even if they deserve it) and almost 0 effort for farmers :(
Cant understand why is so hard and how we can help.
Because it's not our job to do NCSoft's job. I mean, seriously.
It's not like the game hasn't gone through testing (in Korea, at least). That there's still exploits like these in the game is one thing, but then they lay down last-chance bans without even a warning beforehand, while the banned were apparently waiting for a response re: whether this was a "game feature" like the Valakas exploit or any other exploits/bugs that have gone (and some continue to go) completely un-policed.
Ranger use runs almost completely unchecked despite our former Producer's assurances that they have been and will be even more vigilant about catching these cheaters. And for the very few who are caught, layers of warnings and temp bans cushion their fall to prevent any real damage.
Then, there's exploits like at those of Valakas, overenchanting, gating to Gracia, or the vitality star that are clearly exploits and abuses of the system that are completely ignored and simply patched up after-the-fact without any player punishment.
With this kind of inconsistency in enforcement not to mention the fiasco that running L2NA has become since F2P (they couldn't even get accurate notes on the October mea culpa event until players discovered the errors themselves!!), how is it that anyone could accurately predict what will be enforced or not?
In short, a list of all possible exploits would be useless, as NCSoft is way too scattershot in their policies.
only a 7 day ban for the playerS? what is this crap?
players make over 700billion exp with this exploit.
What orifice did you pull this figure from? That's nearly twice the maximum amount of exp anyone on Chronos has, period. Two people made about 51b and 43b from 113 and 94 times, respectively, while no one else even cleared 30b exp with 60+ times.
This thread is just getting asinine. The bottom line is NCSoft is inconsistent with the treatment and punishment (or lack thereof it seems) of players using bugs. That is an infallible statement, yet people still feel the need to rage on and on about this particular one because public attention has been drawn to it. While it's a successful diversion from the fact there are still plenty of server issues far more important than this bug, no one complaining seems to realize these ill-informed opinions do not any any influence on what has or will be done.
Yeah, stories about deception and scandal seem to draw large amounts of public attention and the mob like desire for extreme retribution to be placed upon those believed to be at fault. Centuries of human history have proven this to be the norm for our people, why would this be any different.
Many believe heads should roll no matter how guilty or not guilty anyone perceives themselves to be. If I cheat on my wife does it matter if it was just the first time, or I was only with him for an hour, or I didn’t love that dwarf like I love you, we were gaming all night and lost track of time, or it was the caffeine that made me do it?
And here you are raging on and on about other people in the same thread. Won't change a thing about anything.
Oh yes, the vast amusement provided by the sheer irony and hypocrisy posted in this thread makes me rage so hard. As a calm, logical human being I don't get mad at a game or what someone says on an online forum. Apparently pointing out faults in logic makes other people very angry though.
Oh yes, the vast amusement provided by the sheer irony and hypocrisy posted in this thread makes me rage so hard. As a calm, logical human being I don't get mad at a game or what someone says on an online forum. Apparently pointing out faults in logic makes other people very angry though.
It really is. When your generation realizes that, perhaps companies won't abuse you as much. But since you will happily throw money away and then laugh it off because nothing online is apparently real, we will continue to have these situations that result in these one sided discussions.
Yeah, stories about deception and scandal seem to draw large amounts of public attention and the mob like desire for extreme retribution to be placed upon those believed to be at fault. Centuries of human history have proven this to be the norm for our people, why would this be any different.
Many believe heads should roll no matter how guilty or not guilty anyone perceives themselves to be. If I cheat on my wife does it matter if it was just the first time, or I was only with him for an hour, or I didn’t love that dwarf like I love you, we were gaming all night and lost track of time, or it was the caffeine that made me do it?
Dracha, I am convinced the only reason you post on these forums is to exact the imaginary justice you conjure up in your head to judge and convict others on these boards. I have yet to see any evidence that anything you have ever said has been helpful, friendly or worthwhile.
Additionally, your piety and "holier-than-thou" attitude is pathetic. And remember, the people who brag about appearing to hold themselves to the highest standards are most likely the same people who are most likely to break the rules. To make that more clear to your simpleton mind, it means I am calling you a liar and a cheater.
People who follow the rules don't constantly need to remind others about what they are and what the punishments should be in their own mind.
dracha, i am convinced the only reason you post on these forums is to exact the imaginary justice you conjure up in your head to judge and convict others on these boards. I have yet to see any evidence that anything you have ever said has been helpful, friendly or worthwhile.
Additionally, your piety and "holier-than-thou" attitude is pathetic. And remember, the people who brag about appearing to hold themselves to the highest standards are most likely the same people who are most likely to break the rules. To make that more clear to your simpleton mind, it means i am calling you a liar and a cheater.
People who follow the rules don't constantly need to remind others about what they are and what the punishments should be in their own mind.
Dracha, I am convinced the only reason you post on these forums is to exact the imaginary justice you conjure up in your head to judge and convict others on these boards. I have yet to see any evidence that anything you have ever said has been helpful, friendly or worthwhile.
Additionally, your piety and "holier-than-thou" attitude is pathetic. And remember, the people who brag about appearing to hold themselves to the highest standards are most likely the same people who are most likely to break the rules. To make that more clear to your simpleton mind, it means I am calling you a liar and a cheater.
People who follow the rules don't constantly need to remind others about what they are and what the punishments should be in their own mind.
Go back under your bridge. It's where you belong.
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Hmm, you two are quoting a post that doesn't support the argument you seem so pleased to be having with yourself. Fact is I am not trying to conjure up any vigilante group to exact any justice I have in my mind, now that would be as preposterous as the posts in this thread defending exploiters.
In respect to my opinion on this matter I know they should all be permanently banned. Not that I feel I can cast a stone because I am without sin, because they were caught. That is the simple fact. I even claim to cheat on my wife in the above post... so how can I be "holier-than-thou"? I was merely pointing out why this thread is so full of hate. Believe me there is no one on my server that would claim I would pick spending time with a preacher over a women of the night.
I do not live under a bridge… I own my house and the servants that clean it are paid well.
Hmm, you two are quoting a post that doesn't support the argument you seem so pleased to be having with yourself. Fact is I am not trying to conjure up any vigilante group to exact any justice I have in my mind, now that would be as preposterous as the posts in this thread defending exploiters.
In respect to my opinion on this matter I know they should all be permanently banned. Not that I feel I can cast a stone because I am without sin, because they were caught. That is the simple fact. I even claim to cheat on my wife in the above post... so how can I be "holier-than-thou"? I was merely pointing out why this thread is so full of hate. Believe me there is no one on my server that would claim I would pick spending time with a preacher over a women of the night.
I do not live under a bridge… I own my house and the servants that clean it are paid well.
No one said anything about a vigilante group. You take on the task all by yourself. You continually call out for blood when there is any infraction of the "rules." Admit it, you post here just to reread what you post because you like the sound of your own voice in your own head.
Your opinion and what you think you know are two different things. You do not run NCSoft or formulate any of its policies. Nor do you enforce them. You don't claim to cheat on your wife. That was a hypothetical situation you conjured up to punctuate your "opinion."
Jesus, who taught you how to argue? You're even contradicting yourself in your own posts. Again, you need to go back under your bridge where it is dark and no light of reason can penetrate.
Sometimes when ppl have done something wrong, or are guilty of something they dont wanna confess to, they will lash out at random strangers, pointing and calling names.
Or come up with things about other ppl that just arent true, and spew hateful posts on a forum >.<
if you do something twice, notify ncsoft about a bug you discovered then wait for a response then you are not exploiting. If you do something 10 times/hour and try to cover yourself in a "but they didn't tell me it's an exploit" veneer then yeah, you are looking for idiots.
PS love all the "but the exp isn't so great/the drops sucked, sometimes the boss dropped nothing" rationalizations. Question: if it sucked so bad why did you do it over and over?
But to tell you the truth this is the 1st time i see nc baning anyone for bug. For example the event with vesper weapons. hey simply did a maintainance and removed that and didn't ban anyone.
I prefer baning without notice for using a bug though :D. That way they wont keep using bugs till nc tells them to stop and everything is alright.
Nc +1
Now is the time to make an example of players that find an exploit. They didn't report it but simply used it to their advantage. Every person that used it knew what they were doing.
here are some options to look at
Take away all gear acquired from raid and from the passes earned from NPC after killing boss. This is all weapons and twilight that was dropped or they turned passes in for to acquire. Also recipes learned should be cleared.
Adena should be stripped from all accounts and any r grade or r95 gear as well. Any accounts that traded gear should have items taken off and Adena reset to god release.
All tattoos should be reset on all toons and all hats with special abilities acquired with funds from this raid erased.
Last the XP should reset all toons for the last month. Or pull them all back to 90.00% when they started the raid
This just reminds me of the over enchant exploit and all toons sp and skills reset.
No one said anything about a vigilante group. You take on the task all by yourself. You continually call out for blood when there is any infraction of the "rules." Admit it, you post here just to reread what you post because you like the sound of your own voice in your own head.
Your opinion and what you think you know are two different things. You do not run NCSoft or formulate any of its policies. Nor do you enforce them. You don't claim to cheat on your wife. That was a hypothetical situation you conjured up to punctuate your "opinion."
Jesus, who taught you how to argue? You're even contradicting yourself in your own posts. Again, you need to go back under your bridge where it is dark and no light of reason can penetrate.
+1 I've seen people like this before on forums and the funny part is no sooner than they get on other people they too do the same exact things they were preaching about.
Sometimes they make valuable post,but most of the time it's all about the look at me factor.
But to tell you the truth this is the 1st time i see nc baning anyone for bug. For example the event with vesper weapons. hey simply did a maintainance and removed that and didn't ban anyone.
I prefer baning without notice for using a bug though :D. That way they wont keep using bugs till nc tells them to stop and everything is alright.
Nc +1
Not true in the last 2 years on Teon/Naia ppl got banned for skill oe exploit, item oe exploit and using clan skill passives in Olympiad and the handed out punishments were quite harsh as for example the skill oe one involved perma bans for the ringleaders and removal of all skill OE & SP on the chars that used it.
A simple 7 days ban is just el oh el when compared to that.
that's called no life xp nonstop in orbis, those ppl are the highest levels on all NCWest servers so yeah of course there will be a huge gap in XP between them compared to some wannabees like Hypno etc.
you would see the same kind of gap if you compared Chronos list with that of Bartz so meh..
I ask you all now, can you too sense the tipping point? Notice the complete lack of moderation in this thread? Where is juji or sace? No, you don't notice those things, you are too busy attacking each other and trying to prove points that don't matter. He said, she said, bots hackers and no lives! We had a chance to hold ncsoft accountable, you all should have called ncsoft out on their bs but youdidn't. You fell for this cheap pr trick. What ever happened to the "no calling people out" rule? Oh it went far far away with the rest of the ncsoft team. Nobody noticed and so you continue with your ritual song and dance of accusing one another of cheating and trolling.
This thread is a farce, as is your disdain for the players punished. Why are you all so easily tricked? Why do you continue to bicker and argue amongst yourselves? Lineage 2 is one of the least moderated games in the industry. For better or for worse, bots and exploits have gone on unchecked for 8 years. The only reason they threw this thread up was to give you all something to ***** about other than server issues and lack of support.
Yes ncsoft, burn those witches! strip them of their gear, their recipes, and their hats! yesss yess yessssss. Maybe in a week when we get a new support team everything will be sunshine and rainbows again.
that's called no life xp nonstop in orbis, those ppl are the highest levels on all NCWest servers so yeah of course there will be a huge gap in XP between them compared to some wannabees like Hypno etc.
you would see the same kind of gap if you compared Chronos list with that of Bartz so meh..
No life xping = botting . L2 control . Zranger and more ?:P ????
It's a nice distraction from the same old blah blah to be honest. Nobody cares Eva keep on ranting about nothing important. I see this thread being closed very soon.
This is a chance for NC to get a feel for the game community's opinion. The only reason this issue has gotten so much attention is because anyone can see the hero log, and hundreds of people complained. Bugs get fixed when paying customers demand it. This thread is being used to gather a list of other known bugs obviously. The bottom line is everyone won't get caught, but I assure you people will be very careful in their decision to use exploits. I can already tell you I know of a few people that were exploiting the swamp daily quest by putting the quest items in the warehouse have stopped. I'm sure no one has exploited spezion since this post... And there are likely people that have backed off other exploits/cheats too. It's about time something was done to level the playing field...
This is a chance for NC to get a feel for the game community's opinion. The only reason this issue has gotten so much attention is because anyone can see the hero log, and hundreds of people complained. Bugs get fixed when paying customers demand it. This thread is being used to gather a list of other known bugs obviously. The bottom line is everyone won't get caught, but I assure you people will be very careful in their decision to use exploits. I can already tell you I know of a few people that were exploiting the swamp daily quest by putting the quest items in the warehouse have stopped. I'm sure no one has exploited spezion since this post... And there are likely people that have backed off other exploits/cheats too. It's about time something was done to level the playing field...
Eh in a month or so everyone will be back to their usual routines,but a valid point.
that's called no life xp nonstop in orbis, those ppl are the highest levels on all NCWest servers
I recognize most of these names due to their prominent appearances on Phoenix/Chronos and other servers in the past (jumping from server to server trying to dodge the banhammer). They are strongly associated with the most infamous clans so the term "guilty by association" just reflects the truth here. I don't even want to know how much exactly of their total xp have been gained by "inhuman" methods, as their overall record speaks for itself, same as their entire career.
Everyone is saying that these players got a 7day ban. It sounds as if the players are admitting as much here and on l2blah. But the GMs only say that they won't talk about it. Is there a place where the GMs HAVE said: "Do x and get y consequence" ? I think it would be helpful and insightful for players to know what consequences have been imposed for certain behavior. It always trikes me as curious that the players in the know about such thigns are the offenders -- while the rest of us remain in the dark about what is being done to protect our game. I hope the GMs will think about this a little more.
p.s. NC: please reset the xp of these payers even if you cant strip the loot they acquired.
What is the problem with bugs and xploits? You never blocks bots and gold spawnmers.
What is the difference between exploiting a bug to gain experience and use third party software for the same purpose?
Dear NCSoft, please ban all the people who exploited the Star buff, the delusion chamber, and resing on siege grounds. Also roll back their exp as well. That is all.
Also note this would clear up 3/4ths of the servers population thus making it easier for people to log in. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/091/Problem.jpg
Dear NCSoft, please ban all the people who exploited the Star buff, the delusion chamber, and resing on siege grounds. Also roll back their exp as well. That is all.
Also note this would clear up 3/4ths of the servers population thus making it easier for people to log in.
+1. Seriously. Ban all cheaters. No quarter, no mercy.
No one said anything about a vigilante group. You take on the task all by yourself. You continually call out for blood when there is any infraction of the "rules." Admit it, you post here just to reread what you post because you like the sound of your own voice in your own head.
Your opinion and what you think you know are two different things. You do not run NCSoft or formulate any of its policies. Nor do you enforce them. You don't claim to cheat on your wife. That was a hypothetical situation you conjured up to punctuate your "opinion."
Jesus, who taught you how to argue? You're even contradicting yourself in your own posts. Again, you need to go back under your bridge where it is dark and no light of reason can penetrate.
Yes, I call out for the most extreme measures when dealing with those that break the rules. When penalties are enforced and/or extreme it tends to deter future infractions. I feel this is necessary due to the fact a virtual environment is not a good place to for a company to practice moral rehabilitation. If their parents couldn’t teach them to play within the rules no one can.
I believe anyone that takes the time to post more than 5 times is surely enjoying the interaction with other members. Keeping in mind the majority of the L2 population doesn’t even read these pages much less post. Yes, you and I thrive on the public spectacle... otherwise you wouldn’t have replied twice to my insignificant opinion. As for liking the sound of the voice in my head, this is not true, like most I do not enjoy the sound of my voice and even if I did I wouldn’t hear my own voice in my head. Do you hear your own voice in your head? (Hint: Therapist)
Actually, everyone’s opinion is deeply rooted in what we think we know. Most of the examples I conjure up to punctuate my opinions… this is the point of examples.
I didn’t know I was arguing… that may be my problem, I was thinking all this time I was just posting my OPINION. For the record, most bridges allow ample light to penetrate... it is my opinion bridges allow more light than it impedes.
NCSoft does not make money from banning cheeters. The only thing banning cheaters does for NCSoft is make the servers less full, which at the moment is probably something that would help them. For every legit player, 10 more accounts exist that are almost permanently used for boting purposes.
Realistically what has to happen is the Gm's need to invent some sort of device thats more serious then the bot button for clearing out both low and high xp areas from bots and parties that permenently bot in particular places which they travel to each day. If enough players report a particular person as a bot, that person should become flagged for several days and be set as a high priority review for the GM staff to review. To be completely honest, why GM's dont have software to detect bot like movements yet I dont know.. It cant be that hard to look for particular characteristics like next target timing, targeting things below the ground, above the ground.. that when this kind of thing happends it flags the toon, and when enough of these metrics are met the toon gets flagged for review.
The gm's also should take a much closer review at the "top players" that exist within the game. I know for a fact that if they targeted clans like Enmity, Nova, FS, and Bregan they would find at least 50% of the players using ranger. While I do not profess to using these programs myself, as a player who has spent large amounts of time associated with top clans I know that this is just another staple of the game. The gm's are not being given the proper tools to detect this software, and its not because a solution does not exist to this problem, its because the dev team has not supported them correctly to detecting it. A simple tool which reviews the time to res a target, the time to click up after res on average over a series of weeks would be enough to catch most bot parties.. does a tool like this exist? I doubt it. A tool which detects reaction times would also be useful and is a very similar concept. The anti-backstab script which has been a problem for 2 years.. is just one of these examples that a tool could be built to solve.
To be completely honest, why GM's dont have software to detect bot like movements yet I dont know.. It cant be that hard to look for particular characteristics like next target timing, targeting things below the ground, above the ground.. that when this kind of thing happends it flags the toon, and when enough of these metrics are met the toon gets flagged for review.
The gm's also should take a much closer review at the "top players" that exist within the game. I know for a fact that if they targeted clans like Enmity, Nova, FS, and Bregan they would find at least 50% of the players using ranger. While I do not profess to using these programs myself, as a player who has spent large amounts of time associated with top clans I know that this is just another staple of the game. The gm's are not being given the proper tools to detect this software, and its not because a solution does not exist to this problem, its because the dev team has not supported them correctly to detecting it. A simple tool which reviews the time to res a target, the time to click up after res on average over a series of weeks would be enough to catch most bot parties.. does a tool like this exist? I doubt it. A tool which detects reaction times would also be useful and is a very similar concept. The anti-backstab script which has been a problem for 2 years.. is just one of these examples that a tool could be built to solve.
NCSoft does not make money from banning cheeters. The only thing banning cheaters does for NCSoft is make the servers less full, which at the moment is probably something that would help them. For every legit player, 10 more accounts exist that are almost permanently used for boting purposes.
Realistically what has to happen is the Gm's need to invent some sort of device thats more serious then the bot button for clearing out both low and high xp areas from bots and parties that permenently bot in particular places which they travel to each day. If enough players report a particular person as a bot, that person should become flagged for several days and be set as a high priority review for the GM staff to review. To be completely honest, why GM's dont have software to detect bot like movements yet I dont know.. It cant be that hard to look for particular characteristics like next target timing, targeting things below the ground, above the ground.. that when this kind of thing happends it flags the toon, and when enough of these metrics are met the toon gets flagged for review.
The gm's also should take a much closer review at the "top players" that exist within the game. I know for a fact that if they targeted clans like Enmity, Nova, FS, and Bregan they would find at least 50% of the players using ranger. While I do not profess to using these programs myself, as a player who has spent large amounts of time associated with top clans I know that this is just another staple of the game. The gm's are not being given the proper tools to detect this software, and its not because a solution does not exist to this problem, its because the dev team has not supported them correctly to detecting it. A simple tool which reviews the time to res a target, the time to click up after res on average over a series of weeks would be enough to catch most bot parties.. does a tool like this exist? I doubt it. A tool which detects reaction times would also be useful and is a very similar concept. The anti-backstab script which has been a problem for 2 years.. is just one of these examples that a tool could be built to solve.
Pretty sure any decent programmer can add randomization and that it would not be that straight forward at all.
Either way like you said, it would not be conclusive and the parties could be flagged but have be tested anyways. I can't speak for other people but from what I have seen they bot check quiet a lot and aggressively to. I've had GMs go beyond the regular lower cp and port around a little and actually remove peoples buffs entirely causing people to die, they also give event buffs to try to get some kind of potential bot response. Checks that I believe should work quite well.
The fact that people still claim to see bots everywhere must mean that the GMs are targeting the wrong people. Maybe due to excessive and unfounded use of the report a bot button, who knows.
The fact that people still claim to see bots everywhere must mean that the GMs are targeting the wrong people. Maybe due to excessive and unfounded use of the report a bot button, who knows.
Gms are a myth they don't exists anymore sadly. Just like any real support still exists for this game, i'm pretty sure ncsoft korea is just like who cares, just make it free to play with minimal staff till it dies and just take all of their money.