my server is shilen and im a newbie who just started on this game not while ago.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard, would like some tips from mentor.
but i had two guy contact me, one want 5 million and the other one even want 10 million! they are not deposit, they are charges for a metee slot.
are you kidding me, all my money togather is only about 2.6millionish, where the heck can i find all that money just for mentoring?
seriously just wtf?
I'm afraid I can't comment on the question of opinion, but I just want to jump in here and remind folks that no one is technically required to pay or to charge for a mentoring contract. It is a personal choice, and please remember that any player-made agreement cannot be regulated, enforced, or interfered with in any way by the GMs. I recommend that players read this notice (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=227837) before agreeing to a player-made trade or giving anyone anything in exchange.
i know there are issues with mentee leaving mentor and mentor get a penalty, but deposit and such will be enough.
charge 10 million for a freaking mentee slot is just shocking.
not to mention with outragous charge with buffs :p
Because there is a demand for the mentee buffs and exp that comes, because of that SUPPLY DEMAND is made
The real question is why even give anyone money for being there mentee, mentors already get a bonus it's called mentee coins!
i think is utter hilarious that many other mmo rpgs community rarely charge people with mentor/mentee, but in here this is first time i've see so many cases. i guess is all about adrena :p
i think is utter hilarious that many other mmo rpgs community rarely charge people with mentor/mentee, but in here this is first time i've see so many cases. i guess is all about adrena :p
No, it's all about not getting screwed by your mentee. THAT is what is "hilarious".
my server is shilen and im a newbie who just started on this game not while ago.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard, would like some tips from mentor.
but i had two guy contact me, one want 5 million and the other one even want 10 million! they are not deposit, they are charges for a metee slot.
are you kidding me, all my money togather is only about 2.6millionish, where the heck can i find all that money just for mentoring?
seriously just wtf?
The whole Mentor/Mentee system is actually a very nice idea. It's just that Players on both ends (mentor and mentee) abuse the system.
Mentors who think it's funny taking 20m for a slot then not inviting the Mentee and keeps on scamming other potential Mentees.
Mentees who think its funny taking up a Mentee slot, then;
1. Don't log in and level for days/weeks, worst...for months... with nary a word to the Mentor.
2. Level to 99.9% then drop the Mentor to give the Mentee coins to a friend, etc.
So before anybody starts defending Mentees or Mentors, start looking at the problem. This mess was created by the playerbase, it's not NCSoft's fault (though it is a rather poor design, considering the game) nor is it wrong to charge for a slot.
The Playerbase has only itself to blame.
However, NCSoftr 'could' come in and changed things up (considering the state of things, probably difficult to never).
1. Reduce the Mentor 7 day penalty to 24 hours.
2. Increase the Mentee penalty to 7 days or equalize both Mentor and Mentee, whichever is deemed best.
Both these suggestions have been proposed to death, they are probably the easiest to implement in NCSoft's NA's case without overhauling the system.
Currently as Mentor, 20m is way too little to charge for a Mentee slot, considering the whiny entitlement brats and their demands. It would help a lot if Mentors stop scamming and put the onus on the Mentees to fufill the contract.
I don't charge for mentor, then again I don't mentor anymore for someone outside clan/ally or personal friend. Moreso, I am more than auto-buffs and xp bonus, I am actually a mentor and will help the mentee level once high enough and offer advice on locations or game info.
Why?
Because not a single mentee that wasn't clanned/allied or personal friend has completed the contract and I am almost always on penalty when I try to do something nice.
A mentee will plead and plead and then level to 6x and you never hear from them again or they break contract. 6x? hard? what??? Clannies and allies level 1-85 in a matter of a few weeks even if they are very casual.
Need to take a break? no problem... but tell your mentor so they know. Is that break going to be for 2 months? Tell them... thats two full mentees that can get through 1-86 at extremely casual play times. Their clannies and allies deserve those slots if you aren't going to use them.
The reason good mentors don't mentor anymore is because abuse is the norm and they are tired of it.
Anyway if continuous mentee with their attitude or what he still obtain nobody penalties, each is going eventually put mentee only his alts, what risks to damage the new.
It's pretty simple why. I had 3 random mentee's. I gave them my spot without charging them a single adena and I left my PC nearly 24/7 on (it's running for other stuff so the L2 client in the background isn't gonna change much).
1st one left cuz I was afk for 2 hours, meanwhile server went down so after it got up he was left without mentor buffs for 23 minutes.
2nd one left while I was online exping myself, didn't say a word and when I pmd him he blocked me.
The 3rd one literally said: "XAXAXA LVL 85 99% BB IDIOT" and left, what can I say?
It's pretty simple why. I had 3 random mentee's. I gave them my spot without charging them a single adena and I left my PC nearly 24/7 on (it's running for other stuff so the L2 client in the background isn't gonna change much).
1st one left cuz I was afk for 2 hours, meanwhile server went down so after it got up he was left without mentor buffs for 23 minutes.
2nd one left while I was online exping myself, didn't say a word and when I pmd him he blocked me.
The 3rd one literally said: "XAXAXA LVL 85 99% BB IDIOT" and left, what can I say?
Not everyone charges for mentee slot. I myself was baka enough to take some random newbies for free (one ~40lv, another 56lv) and BOTH of them stopped playing after few levels. Nice. But i learned from that experience and no longer take random newbies and if i would - i'd charge them, just to make sure they'll value their slots.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard
/facepalm
Mentors charge money because mentee tend to be pricks and just break contract whenever you're not online as they want you to, leaving you with a 7-day penalty.
If you leave a mentor, the mentor can't get any other mentee for 7 days.
If you leave a mentor, you have no penalty and can take an other mentor the same hour.
You understand why people are asking money ?
I personally don't even sell my slot, I use them to xp my own toons
If you leave a mentor, the mentor can't get any other mentee for 7 days.
If you leave a mentor, you have no penalty and can take an other mentor the same hour.
You understand why people are asking money ?
I personally don't even sell my slot, I use them to xp my own toons
This ^^
I'm afraid I can't comment on the question of opinion, but I just want to jump in here and remind folks that no one is technically required to pay or to charge for a mentoring contract. It is a personal choice, and please remember that any player-made agreement cannot be regulated, enforced, or interfered with in any way by the GMs. I recommend that players read this notice (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=227837) before agreeing to a player-made trade or giving anyone anything in exchange.
Since Sace doesnt want to come on here and speak the truth I will.
Its because NC screwed up the mentor system and wil not fix it. The mentee can leave which gives the mentor a 7 day penalty instead of the mentee who left. The correct unbroken way would be that the mentee recieves a 7 day penalty. However like all other broken things NC does not fix. So therefor players are forced to charge in hopes the mentee doesnt grief them with a 7 day penalty. Kind a like how when someone leaves clan they get a penalty and not the clan.......
Next time someone asks Sace u can copy my comment instead of avoiding to answer the question. Thanks.
my server is shilen and im a newbie who just started on this game not while ago.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard, would like some tips from mentor.
but i had two guy contact me, one want 5 million and the other one even want 10 million! they are not deposit, they are charges for a metee slot.
are you kidding me, all my money togather is only about 2.6millionish, where the heck can i find all that money just for mentoring?
seriously just wtf?
I paid for my mentor when I was level 70ish. Since then I have had 6 mentees, of the first 3 one graduated, one left because I was off line for a day and the other stopped leveling and after I sent him an ingame email asking why he stopped leveling he also left. The second 3 seem to be doing pretty good and are on most nights leveling so we'll see. I told myself after the first three that I'd start charging but I haven't. Based upon this experience I will decide what to do about the next 3 :D
I did respond to one person shouting in Aden "lf free mentor" I asked his level and he said 83 . . . I asked if leveled to 83 without a mentor and he said that he had to drop his mentor because of some reason . . . nope, not going to mentor someone that has already dropped their mentor. IMO, he's just a mentor hopper and would drop me if he needed to . . . for him I'd charge 20kk.
P.S. IMO, dropping a mentor that is not online when you need him to be is okay after several days of this happening. But dropping a mentor without communicating that desire shouldn't happen.
No one should be charging for mentoring. They get enough benefits from relationship to make it worthwhile. Join an established clan. Any good clan with awakened characters will give you a mentor for free so long as you are there to contribute to the clan as well.
my server is shilen and im a newbie who just started on this game not while ago.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard, would like some tips from mentor.
but i had two guy contact me, one want 5 million and the other one even want 10 million! they are not deposit, they are charges for a metee slot.
are you kidding me, all my money togather is only about 2.6millionish, where the heck can i find all that money just for mentoring?
seriously just wtf?
Its a kind of compensation for mentor.
If mentee leave mentor before 86 level mentor will get 7 day penalty.
My problem is with people who want to charge for mentor and then demand things like be online a lot or reach 86 in a week.
It's one thing to charge for what is effectively sitting on your *** doing nothing other than having a slot open and it's another to demand something on top of that.
I say you either get adena or you get the coins quickly, you can't have it both ways.
my server is shilen and im a newbie who just started on this game not while ago.
im only level 46 atm and find grinding abit hard, would like some tips from mentor.
but i had two guy contact me, one want 5 million and the other one even want 10 million! they are not deposit, they are charges for a metee slot.
are you kidding me, all my money togather is only about 2.6millionish, where the heck can i find all that money just for mentoring?
seriously just wtf?
It was brutally simple that ppl will start take money for mentoring.
But our "korean friends" dont use brain before make update. So they make 7 days penalty if menty leave mentor. So mentor must take money from mentee to prevent his leaving.
im only level 46 atm
should be you still dont know how support wotk here. They use following sceme:
you ask to fix bug -> they say that it is not bug (write some very stupid theory to proove that you are wrong)-> you break stupid theory -> they say we will send requesr for "korean friends"-> nothing chenge
i don't take mentees either, not because i'm a bad guy it's just it requires to have the computer logged the whole day every day and i can't and won't do that. Unless NC wants to pay my bills ??
10m adena is not a lot. Any character starting from lvl 1 can make that adena in a 1-3 hours. Just move on over to Primeval Island and pickup the drops that are ignored by people exploiting the Attack Sailren! quest.
No... the price people pay is insurance. Insurance that leaves a small consolation prize just in case they screw their mentors over by wasting the slot and not leveling up fast enough or outright leaving, sticking the mentor with the penalty either way.
:Edit:
What we do need is a notification of some sort if the mentee gets banned. I've had two Mentees banned (someone bought two slots, I should have known...) and I wasn't told for several days. Sucks to be me that the 7 day penalty was extended by the amount of days I spent not knowing whether or not they would be coming back.
About to hit 86 on my second toon my first toon has 3 mentees and altogether I have gotten 5 lvls total in three weeks no more free rides you want a mentor? Invest in one I will now add 3 new ones and accept whatever they offer I'm not gonna play around with people who after a few lvls start to find the game hard I say CHARGE them out the wazoo wooooooot!
About to hit 86 on my second toon my first toon has 3 mentees and altogether I have gotten 5 lvls total in three weeks no more free rides you want a mentor? Invest in one I will now add 3 new ones and accept whatever they offer I'm not gonna play around with people who after a few lvls start to find the game hard I say CHARGE them out the wazoo wooooooot!
If I give you 10 million adena will you invest in some punctuation so that I don't get a headache reading this?
No one should be charging for mentoring. They get enough benefits from relationship to make it worthwhile. Join an established clan. Any good clan with awakened characters will give you a mentor for free so long as you are there to contribute to the clan as well.
There's almost no benefit for mentoring at low levels. 41-68/70 maybe you get 600 coin? Laughable, unless you seriously need buff pots in which case you should mentor an Orc Mystic and just PL yourself up an OL/WC to Awakened level and buff yourself. That 10% XP bonus isn't anything to write home about you're better off just shelling out for a 100% 7 day rune from the L2 store if you care that much about XP - then you can avoid the mentee drama.
99.998% of the benefit goes to the mentee. The Mentor doesn't really start benefitting in any decent capacity until close to S80 levels, and if a mentor drops you at level 80-83 it really hurts, nevermind you get that penalty (salt on an open wound). Those are really the only levels that "pay off" in coin (80-86).
It's just not worth the risk. There are too many ungrateful F2P ingrates on the servers, now. Entitlement syndrome is at an all-time high. Really you should see some of the things those people say about mentors in groups when their mentor logs off... It's not pretty.
Ask yourself why you don't see any threads with Mentors complaining about mentees logging off for 2 hours and dropping them, but it's the other way around.
No Mentor is demanding their mentees keep their PCs logged in 24/7, yet mentees are making such demands quite loudly and clearly.
The mentor system is so far from fair it's laughable.
I'll never mentor anyone who I do not know IRL, or a toon that isn't my own.
If I give you 10 million adena will you invest in some punctuation so that I don't get a headache reading this?
You are missing punctuation as well, not to mention your grammar is hardly anything to write home about.
Honestly, I actually like helping newbies just to help newbies... I answer questions in game and help for no reason at all. The coin is just a side-benefit to me.
The real loss is being penalized and having a slot go to waste when a clannie/ally/friend needs it.
I don't mind helping a person who needs it.
I mind not being able to help because of a mentee who drops me for apparently no reason with no explanantion at all.
This game is not about levels, numbers or stats... its about the people you meet and what you can do with them.
To ensure better play, its time to simply make the person who breaks the contract take the week-long penalty. (graduation means no one takes it)
Fortunately someone took pity on me and gave me a free mentee spot. I am notoriously slow at leveling. :)
I don't mind people level slowly, and I like the interaction with them and see how they are going plus random chats. I also keep in contact with my graduated mentees, because that is what Lineage 2 is about. There are no strangers, only friends that you haven't met :D However, if OP is already complaining level 46 is hard, you think this is a game for him/her?
Does Smitty have you account info? Or is it just the clan stench thats affected your noggin?
Sigh... you obviously didn't get my joke, and no; why would Smittie have my account info? o.O I guess someone needs a hug <3
Still funny how people think they should receive mentor buffs 24/7 or whenever they are online, if not they'll just dismiss the current mentor and find another one.
therefor, price rises. In 2-3 months when there are more awakens than non-awaken, mentor will be free to people who lvl quickly, and mentors may even plvl their mentee's for free
As i said in my post, i dont mind put huge amount of deposit to ensure mentor that im trust worthy
now charging huge amount of adrena is a different thing, you dont get it back once you reach 86 or what ever
deposit is fine, i think charging is gone too far
u may thing it's the money but it's not..it's second time that i invite low lvl mentee with out money..my char is on last 3 days and today i got dc for like 4-5 hours..the mentees that paid me 5mil and are 80++ still stay as my mentee and the newbies just left me..when i asked them why they said i wasn't online when they play..and the funny is in 3days that im mentor of them they have get from 50 to 58..and it's the first time that the char stay off for some hours..plus ofc it's unsecury that the low lvl mentees gonna play the game..so u may think from ur side why the heck they ask for money but from my side it's second time that prove me money make me a bit more safe!!
Ok, I SORT OF understand why they want 10KK-35KK to be a mentor, on Bartz, ATM. But, I got my mentor for 15KK ( with the help of clan members ) at level 70 at 1% on Friday, 17 February 2012. The following Monday, I got a PM from my mentor telling me that I level way to slow and need to "step it u!" At that time, I was level 76 at 77%. This, after I already told him that I do not play on Sundays because of my Religion and he still agreed to me my mentor for the last leg of my leveling. What? Am I expected to be online for 24/7 just because I paid him to give me the buffs the few hours a day he is online?
Many of my clan members have told me to just drop this guy. But, I did pay him, and I am not going to let him bully me out of my money because I have to work and I have religious life.
Another thought: I have only been playing this game a few weeks. Is the only reason for this system for the buffs, or for "help?" Because, if it is the latter, when he is online, and I send a PM, all I ever get in response is "AFK not real here."
But, I thought that getting from 70 to 76 in just a few day was pretty nice for someone new to the game.
Ok, I SORT OF understand why they want 10KK-35KK to be a mentor, on Bartz, ATM. But, I got my mentor for 15KK ( with the help of clan members ) at level 70 at 1% on Friday, 17 February 2012. The following Monday, I got a PM from my mentor telling me that I level way to slow and need to "step it u!" At that time, I was level 76 at 77%. This, after I already told him that I do not play on Sundays because of my Religion and he still agreed to me my mentor for the last leg of my leveling. What? Am I expected to be online for 24/7 just because I paid him to give me the buffs the few hours a day he is online?
Many of my clan members have told me to just drop this guy. But, I did pay him, and I am not going to let him bully me out of my money because I have to work and I have religious life.
Another thought: I have only been playing this game a few weeks. Is the only reason for this system for the buffs, or for "help?" Because, if it is the latter, when he is online, and I send a PM, all I ever get in response is "AFK not real here."
But, I thought that getting from 70 to 76 in just a few day was pretty nice for someone new to the game.
Wait, what kind of clan gives you money for a mentor but won't mentor you?
But a stupid one. If they mentor and help raise their own, they not only gain the benefit when the mentee graduates but they gain another person that can mentor even more people.
The reply is simple, because the mentor pentaltys are BADLY designed. Mentor gets 7 days penalty when the MENTEE breaks contract.Mentee gets no penalty. Does that seem normal to you ? So being a mentee i hated when people asked me money to become my mentor. Now that i am a mentor i fully understand it and agree to it.
I say this....if ppl are deserate enough they will do anything to achive their goals...so ppl are "Willing" to pay...and when there is ppl willing to pay...there will be ppl "willing" to accept payment....its called supply and demand. Pesronally i dont thnk anyone should be charging for metoring....but thats my opinion.....i believe there are way to many ( what i call scammers) in this game . Ppl will accept your money...keep ya on for a few days to get ya all comfy and then drop you like a bad habit ...and then you out your money and there is Nothing NCSoft will do about it....so now ure out cash and mentor....i say dont do it...again this is my opinion and im sure there will be ppl flaming at me even tho i said ....:It just my opinion"...but idc really.....this is just my 2 cents worth
Hard to level at 46? Some classes yes.
I've gotten about 8 toons up to a minimum of 55 before I found out about mentors, or even tried it. I had no problem with exp gain at all, it was so fast to 55 at least.
The mentor system is very bad atm.
1. If a mentee leaves for any reason the mentor gets a 7 day penalty within which he can not replace his mentee.
2. If the mentor kicks a mentee, he gets a 7 day penalty within which he can not replace his mentee.
3. If a mentee leaves or is kicked, the mentee can join ANY new mentor withing ANY penalty.
So you ask why they take so much? So that spoiled brats do not become mentees and then leave the second the mentor just happens sleep, work, studdy, have connection issues or what ever. If they did leave he would have at least have 15 mil to make the 7 days feel shorter.
Make sure you are playing a character you want to play till 86. It is a long road there, so read up and ask around etc. Watch some videos and what not. Make up your mind, stick with it, dedicate what you can.
I recommend speaking to whoever that you may get as a mentor about how much you can play, if you have a goal. etc etc.
Personally, I've given up on random mentees because 90% *%£~" over.
The reply is simple, because the mentor pentaltys are BADLY designed. Mentor gets 7 days penalty when the MENTEE breaks contract.Mentee gets no penalty. Does that seem normal to you ? So being a mentee i hated when people asked me money to become my mentor. Now that i am a mentor i fully understand it and agree to it.
Never asked for any money from a mentee, now I'm thinking next one will have to be paid... when my penalty wears off bcos of "oh my friend got 86 and he will mentor me now that I miss only 50% to get 86".
Not to mention the stupid penalty for a mentee completing his mentorship normally. I have another mentee on 85 about to graduate and I'm asking him not to graduate until my penalty is off from that moron so I can recruit the other mentee slots before he gives me the 5 days penalty for graduation.
You're not entitled to it. And it's not for low level people but to levels 70+, even 76+. Until then, there's almost no grinding comparing to the 76-85 road and thus no need for mentor.
There's also a similar thread going on...
ive started paying ppl i mentee depending on their lvl of acomplishment, if they leave they miss out on the adena, so far so good, i got enough toons i can mentor with to not care and im also mentoring some of my own alts.
Either way someone should shoot this horse in the head until ncsoft decides to do something about it.
You're not entitled to it. And it's not for low level people but to levels 70+, even 76+. Until then, there's almost no grinding comparing to the 76-85 road and thus no need for mentor.
There's also a similar thread going on...
Mentor at lower levels isn't just good for the XP gain (there is grinding at the lower levels, just not as much since the levels are shorter, don't be ridiculous), but also the perma buffs which are far superior to what you get from the Adventure Guide. It's a basic Iss Enchanter buffset.