We're officially announcing that the Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update is coming to NCsoft West! Harmony brings revamps to some XP zones, new quests and campaigns, and improvements to various game systems.
It's great and all, but for future references I don't think the players are interested in Bats, Dancing with Cats and instance quests. They're okay I guess, but not much of a preview.
We're officially announcing that the Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update is coming to NCsoft West! Harmony brings revamps to some XP zones, new quests and campaigns, and improvements to various game systems.
I don't know if you read this but here it is. Fresh news from NCSoft, the "Harmony" update is coming soon and my first thoughts to it are rather negative than positive.
Why don't they just start the game at 85 and save us a couple days of leveling up? It's really sad to see more and more awakened characters played by people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing, ruining the game completely. They were too busy pressing f1 to get to 85 to learn to even play.
Is NCSoft so desperate to make more money? You push players to 85 so they can spend more? I can't think of another reason. I mean, before GoD it took years to get to 85 and that's cause you wanted to keep ppl paying for as long as you can. Now you just want them to get there fast so they can grind their way back to the old lvl 85. Smart but for sure this game doesn't need that.
More 85+ solo zones would be good idea though. Many people struggle to find a good party in the current party zones.
More and more instances. Whatever happened to the good old times when clans had to fight over a raid boss? Now it's just carebear style, port in, sit safe within healer range. No danger of being killed by enemies.
I do like the solo instances though, that will give solo players something to do since most random parties fail.
Anyways, I do like the new auction house which is not displayed on the site yet, read it somewhere else and the mentor system.
We're officially announcing that the Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update is coming to NCsoft West! Harmony brings revamps to some XP zones, new quests and campaigns, and improvements to various game systems.
I don't know if you read this but here it is. Fresh news from NCSoft, the "Harmony" update is coming soon and my first thoughts to it are rather negative than positive.
Why don't they just start the game at 85 and save us a couple days of leveling up? It's really sad to see more and more awakened characters played by people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing, ruining the game completely. They were too busy pressing f1 to get to 85 to learn to even play.
Is NCSoft so desperate to make more money? You push players to 85 so they can spend more? I can't think of another reason. I mean, before GoD it took years to get to 85 and that's cause you wanted to keep ppl paying for as long as you can. Now you just want them to get there fast so they can grind their way back to the old lvl 85. Smart but for sure this game doesn't need that.
More 85+ solo zones would be good idea though. Many people struggle to find a good party in the current party zones.
More and more instances. Whatever happened to the good old times when clans had to fight over a raid boss? Now it's just carebear style, port in, sit safe within healer range. No danger of being killed by enemies.
I do like the solo instances though, that will give solo players something to do since most random parties fail.
Anyways, I do like the new auction house which is not displayed on the site yet, read it somewhere else and the mentor system.
Catering to the Casual player makes more money than satisfying a smaller hardcore base. NCsoft is a business. If you're running a business, would you rather make 10 dollars from 10 million customers or 3000 dollars from 1000 customers?
Getting 1 to 85 is not hard now with so many awakened players. It was a little difficult initially with the new servers, but it's cake. Besides it only takes you 3 hours to get from 1 to 41 and about 3 to 4 hours to 55.
Is this what spreaded out on the net as being called tauti new chapter of the GOD? :)
Harmony is a ridiculously small update we should have gotten weeks ago as part of the regular maintenance. The fact that they are parading it around as a full update is very troubling. The ease of 75-85 leveling is nothing more than an exp increase in the old hunting grounds. The labyrinth is just a solo/party instance copy and pasted for 85 90 95. The fantasy island campaign is suppose to be a footnote, not a celebrated feature.
Tauti is different, tauti is a huge update that adds a lot of content, new zones, and so on. Harmony is more bugfixes than actual content. If they seriously expect us to wait another 3-6 months for tauti they are out of their minds.
it will give solo players something to do for 30 minutes and then they can log off like they do for goddess. Harmony is basically a worthless update for anyone 85+ and does not address any of the issues we are currently having.
Harmony is a ridiculously small update we should have gotten weeks ago as part of the regular maintenance. The fact that they are parading it around as a full update is very troubling. The ease of 75-85 leveling is nothing more than an exp increase in the old hunting grounds. The labyrinth is just a solo/party instance copy and pasted for 85 90 95. The fantasy island campaign is suppose to be a footnote, not a celebrated feature.
Tauti is different, tauti is a huge update that adds a lot of content, new zones, and so on. Harmony is more bugfixes than actual content. If they seriously expect us to wait another 3-6 months for tauti they are out of their minds.
Like it or not, Harmony is an update like Freya, HIgh Five part 2 or Tauti. She is listed as on the Korean powerwiki
We're officially announcing that the Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update is coming to NCsoft West! Harmony brings revamps to some XP zones, new quests and campaigns, and improvements to various game systems.
We're officially announcing that the Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update is coming to NCsoft West! Harmony brings revamps to some XP zones, new quests and campaigns, and improvements to various game systems.
Will NCwest launch PTS, or you are unable to learn and make the same fail-rush like you do on start GoD-update?
Alright... the L2 service is currently not living up to the standard I'd expect, but this update is going to be pretty awesome, despite how minimal it is. It should help people soar through 70-84 a lot quicker, cause more people to use Auction House and really reward Mentors with a doubling of Mentee coins.
It takes 2 weeks of casual play to reach lvl 85, with this update will take half of time.
Arent this game starting to get way too easy?
you receive items for free until hit lvl 85 (VP ncoins items also), you get a mentor and earn 2xp, now you get more and more exp from mobs.
Why dont ncsoft give free lvl 85 toons already?:rolleyes:
1-85 is becoming more like a training session on getting used to playing your toon lol. If they just gave us a free lvl 85 toon, the game would be like a bunch of ******e d chickens running around banging their heads together.
1-85 is becoming more like a training session on getting used to playing your toon lol. If they just gave us a free lvl 85 toon, the game would be like a bunch of ******e d chickens running around banging their heads together.
We already got the patch notes last year... I know I read them somewhere cause I recall the Mentee coins for leveling were going to double, wondrous cubic rewards will include R grade items and the reduction of the auction house registration fee as some of the things from the notes.
1-85 is becoming more like a training session on getting used to playing your toon lol. If they just gave us a free lvl 85 toon, the game would be like a bunch of ******e d chickens running around banging their heads together.
The only downside is that most of 1-85 is made soloing, except for ToI parties, so the "tutorial" part fails in making players adapted to party hunting. After all, most of post-Awakening zones require team effort to conquer, and the knowledge of the role you need to play (tanks, iss and healers, above all, need this training).
1-85 is becoming more like a training session on getting used to playing your toon lol. If they just gave us a free lvl 85 toon, the game would be like a bunch of ******e d chickens running around banging their heads together.
No way. Awakened characters are like a whole new breed sometimes. Like Orc Mystics who spend level 1-85 using the same skills then suddenly switching into a fighter after Awakening.
With both Harmony and Tauti they make it easier than it already is to get to level 85. They are practically giving everyone 85 toons already. And the result is a lot of people who don't know how to play their characters.
No way. Awakened characters are like a whole new breed sometimes. Like Orc Mystics who spend level 1-85 using the same skills then suddenly switching into a fighter after Awakening.
With both Harmony and Tauti they make it easier than it already is to get to level 85. They are practically giving everyone 85 toons already. And the result is a lot of people who don't know how to play their characters.
finally someone that agree with me!
another point: NEW RE-VAmped areas = New bot paradise
We already got the patch notes last year... I know I read them somewhere cause I recall the Mentee coins for leveling were going to double, wondrous cubic rewards will include R grade items and the reduction of the auction house registration fee as some of the things from the notes.
On some fansites (*cough* Rochand *cough*) there are translations or summaries of Harmony patch notes. I'm quite curious to see a detailed report from NCsoft part, and what version of Harmony we'll soon get.
another point: NEW RE-VAmped areas = New bot paradise
I just meant the basics of the game, i agree about the awakened classes being a whole new ballgame. I know i felt like i was starting from scratch when i awakened.
wounderous cubic will still be useless since the market price is lower than what it requires to trade in those cibe thingies
Yup, and it's not just a little bit lower, it's a lot lower. So here we'll have some long overdue Cubic updates, and it's useless even before its implemented.
NCsoft should (but won't) manually edit the Adena costs for buying scrolls with cubics, because it's just a useless mechanic in its current incarnation. It's always cheaper to buy from player shops.
On some fansites (*cough* Rochand *cough*) there are translations or summaries of Harmony patch notes. I'm quite curious to see a detailed report from NCsoft part, and what version of Harmony we'll soon get.
Considering we still haven't gotten all the GODDESS regular patches... harmony 1.0! Ncwest is funny like that. They like to pretend we have to follow the korean version but will leave out stuff for us when it's convenient for them to do so. Personally I dont see any reason why we should have to wait 4-6 months between updates. This is the year 2012. We are no longer translating scrolls by candle light, sharing a codex between a team of monks. There is no excuse for such lengthy translation and localization periods. What we really have are intentional content blocks which also contain vital bugfixes and this is one of the many reasons ncsoft's korean ports do so poorly in north america/europe. Someday a publisher will realize that their customers dont like being treated like orphans begging for handouts and will translate and localize patches within weeks rather than months or years. Korea makes high quality mmo products and then they ship them overseas only to get mismanaged by people unwilling to give their product the same care and attention that it gets in its home country.
Lineage's success in the east and it's failure in the west has nothing to do with our cultures or belief systems, and everything to do with the way the service, this is a service mind you, is handled. You'd think that after 8 years, someone in charge would have figured that out.
Considering we still haven't gotten all the GODDESS regular patches... harmony 1.0!
Wasn't Harmony supposed to be a patch for GoD?
They like to pretend we have to follow the korean version but will leave out stuff for us when it's convenient for them to do so.
Would you like to give examples? I'm curious.
I quoted just these sentences, but I do agree with the fact that in year 2012 we can't have a gap so noticeable between Korean content and Western content.
Well that "Soon" is missing but still its nice.
It's written in the website :p
Enchant armor R 1,200,000 Adena
Enchant weapon R 32,000,000 Adena
Blessed Enchant armor R 75,000,000 Adena
Blessed enchant weapon R 250,000,000 Adena
I don't get why the fee is so high. You can get EAR for 1kk and EWR for 13kk.
Why should I wait to get a fragment of ewr ench and pay 32kk when I can buy it at 1/3 of price from market?
Good morning! We are close to a new update and would like a suggestion that the characters of the Kamael would do the subclass quest above level 75, because currently it reaches high levels rapidly and many players can level up and not doing the quest, as is the my case! Thank you!
It takes 2 weeks of casual play to reach lvl 85, with this update will take half of time.
Arent this game starting to get way too easy?
you receive items for free until hit lvl 85 (VP ncoins items also), you get a mentor and earn 2xp, now you get more and more exp from mobs.
Why dont ncsoft give free lvl 85 toons already?:rolleyes:
Because of the awakened classes, whatever before awakening is no longer relevant after that...
Who wants to spend sweat and blood in diving class so later he/she has to climb mountain?
After 86, it is crazy long to level your char so the game is STILL not easy. Don't compare to the past :D
Considering we still haven't gotten all the GODDESS regular patches... harmony 1.0! Ncwest is funny like that. They like to pretend we have to follow the korean version but will leave out stuff for us when it's convenient for them to do so. Personally I dont see any reason why we should have to wait 4-6 months between updates. This is the year 2012. We are no longer translating scrolls by candle light, sharing a codex between a team of monks. There is no excuse for such lengthy translation and localization periods. What we really have are intentional content blocks which also contain vital bugfixes and this is one of the many reasons ncsoft's korean ports do so poorly in north america/europe. Someday a publisher will realize that their customers dont like being treated like orphans begging for handouts and will translate and localize patches within weeks rather than months or years. Korea makes high quality mmo products and then they ship them overseas only to get mismanaged by people unwilling to give their product the same care and attention that it gets in its home country.
Lineage's success in the east and it's failure in the west has nothing to do with our cultures or belief systems, and everything to do with the way the service, this is a service mind you, is handled. You'd think that after 8 years, someone in charge would have figured that out.
well said but after 8 years i think only players didnt change the game, most of the past ncsoft employers probably changed their jobs 2-3 times already
HAHA...here we go again " Boasting about all the new and exciting things they gonna do to the game" Hmmmm...lets see what they can screw up this time.....Just remeber NC...theres an old saying that goes something like this: "The more things change, the more they stay the same"
it is not just east vs west. the japanese version just got the harmony patch on Feb 14th of this year.
they got TAUTI on 14th, thats not harmony, thats GOD chapter 2
There are not patch notes about changes to the game system performance.
As Harmony is a small update, "we are not having a PTS for it".
Patch notes and launch date are coming soon, don't worry. :)
So Sace...i have to ask....are you implying that "Tauti" WILL have a PTS since its an "Expansion" and not merely an "update". As you know many ppl didnt like the fact GoD come out w/o a PTS 1st and ya guys played hell fixing all the bugs....Just curious :confused:
I just meant the basics of the game, i agree about the awakened classes being a whole new ballgame. I know i felt like i was starting from scratch when i awakened.
HEHE...yep...newb all over again...but it didnt take long to adjust...i hated my Feoh Wizard at 1st...love her now....i even pvp more now :p
HEHE...yep...newb all over again...but it didnt take long to adjust...i hated my Feoh Wizard at 1st...love her now....i even pvp more now :p
Is that because you have a teleport, amazing speed and you can 4 shoot anyone?
well, yes and no Pimp...the teleport is just one aspect of the Feoh i love, dual casting, hell binding, death breath are some other reasons too. TBH...i dont like 4 shotting ppl all the time...i want a good long fight, i still get owned,,,trust me , we all have off days...its just the overall makeup of the new Wiz thats makes it so much fun :p
So again you are bringing another ********ty content update for botters and no-lifers instead of introducing something meaningful like for example a login queue.
So again you are bringing another ********ty content update for botters and no-lifers instead of introducing something meaningful like for example a login queue.
When the servers are full, I can log in faster without a queue.
You don't know that, cause a queue doesn't exist.
Not in this game, no.
So stop spouting meaningless babble on the forums for the sole purpose of upping your post count.
Babble on this: If there was a queue and you are waiting behind 200 people to log on, you have no way of speeding up the process. However, without a queue and with 200 people waiting to get on, I have a chance of being the very next person to log on. It may take a while or I may get in the first time.
Fact 1: With a queue, if you are number 200 waiting to get on, you must wait for 200 people to disconnect before you get your shot.
Fact 2: Without a queue, if you and 200 others are trying to get on, you only need 1 person to disconnect to get your shot.
Now, if you're the type of person who tries once or twice, fails and gives up for an hour or so then repeats, yeah, a queue would help you.
If you are like a lot of others and have used other (legit) means to spam the login, without a queue is much faster.
Either way, you still need to be at your PC since most games that I've played with a log on queue, if you don't take your spot within a certain amount of time, you lose it.
You may use the word legit as much as you want. It does not change the fact that your described situation favors the bot users and creates a massive disadvantage for players with slower internet connections.
You may use the word legit as much as you want. It does not change the fact that your described situation favors the bot users and creates a massive disadvantage for players with slower internet connections.
Connection speed has nothing to do with your failed login attempts, i have a stable 16 Mbit/s connection and still wasn't able to login, even, if spamming password(max ~170 attempts in a row to Naia during the tersis light event)
I do agree, that a non queue server gives advantage to bots, however, instead complaining, get your self a macro keyboard to even the chances in a legit way - worked for me and many others(1-5 attempts compared to 20-40 during peak times)
I have read somewhere that with this HARMONY update the price for adding second SA on R grade will lower from ~1.2kkk to 300kk. Is that true? Thank you in advance!
I have read somewhere that with this HARMONY update the price for adding second SA on R grade will lower from ~1.2kkk to 300kk. Is that true? Thank you in advance!
yes, in the Harmony update the 2nd SA have the cost of the 1st SA x4, however let's wait for the patch notes of the "NCWest Harmony vesion". You cannot add 2nd SA to bound weapons
You may use the word legit as much as you want. It does not change the fact that your described situation favors the bot users and creates a massive disadvantage for players with slower internet connections.
If we were to throw out everything that benefited bot users over normal players we wouldn't have a game left. Certainly no events...
Each log on attempt is the same regardless of connection speed. I have an extremely fast connection speed and it sometimes takes me many attempts to get on.
You may use the word legit as much as you want. It does not change the fact that your described situation favors the bot users and creates a massive disadvantage for players with slower internet connections.
So long as bots exist, they will have the advantage. That's what bots do, and what they are made for.
I would request you, that not make PTS to the Harmony update just install to live servers, if the Goddess of Destruction was installed too, the Harmony update what as maybe 5% content of GD wouldn't be problem.
And I am going to assume that anyone who thinks someone is a troll just because they disagree with them, is a moron.
But, since I am now a nicer person, I will explain this to you another way, and more slowly.
Fact 1: With a queue, if you are number 200 waiting to get on, you must wait for 200 people to disconnect before you get your shot.
Fact 2: Without a queue, if you and 200 others are trying to get on, you only need 1 person to disconnect to get your shot.
Now, if you're the type of person who tries once or twice, fails and gives up for an hour or so then repeats, yeah, a queue would help you.
If you are like a lot of others and have used other (legit) means to spam the login, without a queue is much faster.
Either way, you still need to be at your PC since most games that I've played with a log on queue, if you don't take your spot within a certain amount of time, you lose it.
This isn't advanced stuff, folks.
Fact 3: You're making a huge assumption off of a hypothetical: that you will be able to make it in before one of those other 199 people; there's also a chance you will be #200 to make it in. A queue is at least reliable and gives you an indication of how long you can go do something productive before the game is playable. That's why most people would prefer it to spamming login information...
Which makes your earlier post, and this one stupid.
You have a chance to log in faster without a queue. It's possible, it's probably. It's not unequivocably true as you state it. THere are people who are locked out for hours spamming it because of overpoulation and I know for a fact I type 80+ WPM and there are times where I've had to spam for 20 minutes before I can log in (now I just walk away and go do something else for a while when I get the first message, since I have more than one toon to log in...).
You cannot state that you can get in faster without looking like an idiot.
That's a fact.
Also a program can fill in a UN/PW field and log in faster than a real person can, so I dunno where you're going with that. Why do you think the bots never have an issue logging in fast and the XP spots are full of them by the time you and many other legit players get in the game?
Fact 3: You're making a huge assumption off of a hypothetical: that you will be able to make it in before one of those other 199 people; there's also a chance you will be #200 to make it in. A queue is at least reliable and gives you an indication of how long you can go do something productive before the game is playable. That's why most people would prefer it to spamming login information...
Which makes your earlier post, and this one stupid.
You have a chance to log in faster without a queue. It's possible, it's probably. It's not unequivocably true as you state it. THere are people who are locked out for hours spamming it because of overpoulation and I know for a fact I type 80+ WPM and there are times where I've had to spam for 20 minutes before I can log in (now I just walk away and go do something else for a while when I get the first message, since I have more than one toon to log in...).
You cannot state that you can get in faster without looking like an idiot.
That's a fact.
Dispute the two facts that I listed.
And, since you have issues actually reading what I wrote, I never stated as fact that I am guaranteed to get on faster. I said I was more likely to get on faster.
I can type that fast as well but I am not stupid enough to do it that way. That's just silly.
And I am going to assume that anyone who thinks someone is a troll just because they disagree with them, is a moron.
But, since I am now a nicer person, I will explain this to you another way, and more slowly.
Fact 1: With a queue, if you are number 200 waiting to get on, you must wait for 200 people to disconnect before you get your shot.
Fact 2: Without a queue, if you and 200 others are trying to get on, you only need 1 person to disconnect to get your shot.
Now, if you're the type of person who tries once or twice, fails and gives up for an hour or so then repeats, yeah, a queue would help you.
If you are like a lot of others and have used other (legit) means to spam the login, without a queue is much faster.
Either way, you still need to be at your PC since most games that I've played with a log on queue, if you don't take your spot within a certain amount of time, you lose it.
This isn't advanced stuff, folks.
I think you are right, but not for the right reasons
the queue is not gonna be like 200, remenber the bots and the server overflow, lets think of a queue of 1000 or 1500...