The Aden Prize Wheel (http://www.lineage2.com/spin) is a fun instant-win mini-game in which you can buy spins for NCoin, spin the wheel, and win big! Every spin is a win and rewards you with useful rewards. In its debut the Aden Prize Wheel will be available for 2 weeks only, from November 21 to December 5, 2012. Based on popularity and success it may return in the future with even better prizes! :)
I have friends playing this, 99 NCoin a spin, and they're getting stuff like 1 buff milk, 1 skill enchant codex, 1 energy of destructon, etc. You display these awesome prizes, like Blessed Anthy and Valaks, but fail to mention the chances to win and the list of junk people usually get.
You guys have really taken it to a new low with this.
Looking for full reward list :D
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What are the chances to win something ? Does the game regulation not require the display of chances to win ? :o
A full reward list is not provided, but as players post in the Prizes thread we linked, it may gradually all be revealed. :) You win an item every time. (Odds of what you'll win are not provided.)
So, ill write a quick rant because thats what sace seems to think my posts are about.. i personally think my opinion is good, but then again dont we all believe our opinions are good.
This game has always been about hard work and dedication to get places. You work hard for yourself and for your clan and in return your clan recognizes this and gives you antharas/valakas this kind of items. What your doing is allowing anybody to basicly purchase them.. for X dollars. This is really getting out of hand and you are slowly going to convince the players who worked so hard over the years that there time spent can instead be bought. Your really starting to push the balance scales for the items that separate the new from the old player basis.
This wheel really had to get your CMO smiling. The players on the other hand probably wont like it that much.. I for one already am spending many dollars on the game per month, and like purchasing a few things to give myself an edge but this is really pushing it. The power shirt was OK looking back at it because the difference between +6 and +10 was almost impossible to make (and I dont think anybody did).. and the difference between them was an additional +1 of each stat and a cs that we still dont know what it did).. what I see happening is the habitual adena buyers are going to spend it a few hundred times and get a sour look on there face when all they have to account for it is a few ewr and perhaps a mastery codex if they are lucky.
Lets pretend for a moment that the rates are the following:
You need to allow the players an ability to earn a coupon through some sort of daily activity that will allow them to spin it once without NCOIN spending at the very least if you ask me. I think you should nix this idea entirely as it will get usage for a few months and will be almost entirely forgotten about eventually.
I don't mind spending 99 coin here and there. You win something good, great, you win something crap, whatever, only spent a couple hundred.
I do like your idea of them giving us some kind of little quest in game to get some kind of coupon. Maybe once a week you can do the quest or something.
While there are many prizes to be won, both rare and common, only a few are revealed on the game page on the website:
Transformation Sealbook: Anakim
Blessed Necklace of Valakas
Blessed Earring of Antharas
Necklace of Valakas
Earring of Antharas
Ring of Baium
Blessed Scroll (R-Grade) Box
Enchant Weapon of Destruction (R-Grade) Scroll
What have you won? (Post it below!)
you guys alway post the Good stuff that rarely anyone gets...why dont ya post what the majority of the server is actually going to get so they know what they are getting into b4 hand?
Oh and lets not forget to tell ppl the Prize wheel DONT work with Internet Exploerer . like i just found out :(
are you guys really asking to be prosecuted by not disclosing all the prizes and its chances?
this is just another online gambling site, and afaik, not allowed everywhere, did you guys checked all the legal consequences before implementing such idea?
I think they actually have a point.. lol.. By canadian law this is unlawful i believe.. it will be different in every country.. this is a true form of gambling and you have no license. The reason why its a true form of gambling is all they have to do is prove that the items won can be sold for real world money and then cycled back in.. you have a full chain from Money in to Money out.. You have no license.
To clarify any questions about legal: Remember that with the Aden Prize Wheel you are guaranteed to get a prize in exchange for your NCoin every single time with no exceptions. This could be comparable to purchasing a NCoin box that gives you a random item in exchange, which has already been done in the past (remember the Destruction Box? the list for that was provided for convenience only, not by legal requirement) and was also not a legal issue.
Understandably if you spend 99 NCoin and expect to get, for instance, the Blessed Earring of Antharas, but you get something different instead, you may be upset for a valid reason, but that is part of the game and you do get something useful each time. It is also every player's choice to try their luck.
Except for the part that customers have to make a purchase decision completely blind. How can I tell if it's worth taking the risk if I don't even know what are the full prize list?
Not only gambling, it can be considered false advertising since you show a blessed valakas/antharas to mislead people into thinking the risk is worth.
Ok so lets look at this from a gamblers POV for a second.
I can purchase on line GTC unlimited quantity, lets say I go to offgamers right now and spend 10,000. I get my 800k coins. I then turn around and spin this wheel 80000 times. I likely get a few items worth something. Lets say I get a few blessed antharas/belssed valakas + lots of other items i can sell on the open markets for adena, i then sell the adena back to real world currency. (lots of players are already thinking of this and doing it.. its a well known problem).. This is a pure form of gambling, u dont know your getting anything more out then you put in, but if your lucky you make mega bucks. Yes, you have to break nc terms and conditions to do it, but you can still do it. Do you have a gambling license?
I think we could all agree that NCWest is here running a lottery game.
I am not aware of all US laws, but can any company or any being create his own lottery ? I thought it was heavily regularized in most of countries. (I am reading this site (http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Washington/) at the moment, who knows what I will find)
as i stated b4 in a post 2 days ago.....if the game takes adena to play and i cant buy NC Coin ( see my thread Denial of NC Coin) how am i suppose to play even if i wanted to, which i wont cuz im tired of feeding the greedy :mad:
Except for the part that customers have to make a purchase decision completely blind. How can I tell if it's worth taking the risk if I don't even know what are the full prize list?
Not only gambling, it can be considered false advertising since you show a blessed valakas/antharas to mislead people into thinking the risk is worth.
Remember we have the prize thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=249202), where we encourage players to post their winnings. This helps the community build the possible list through their own findings.
This is only day 1 of the game, and we will certainly include all the feedback players have posted about the game. Our instructions so far were to not post a full reward list but perhaps that may change in the future. We shall have to wait and see. :)
You can't seriously say that you won't post the list of items because you are expecting the good behalf of players to post what they received.
Well about laws & stuff, as long as what NCWest gives as reward doesn't have any real-life value, It's ok. Since NCWest is doing little about Adena spammers, we may do the link between adena and real life money easily, nope ?
One could argue that because its a virtual asset your really not getting anything at all, just like if one plays on a virtual gambling site, they get the enjoyment of seeing the lights flash, just like we get the enjoyment of seeing a fresh milk come out of this slot machine. And, like gambling in a slot machine, you can convert the items you get out into more spins by breaking your already not enforced T&C.
You need to BIND these items, and I can see it might be legal, until then i would be consulting your lawyers in great detail about the grey area.
I think we could all agree that NCWest is here running a lottery game.
I am not aware of all US laws, but can any company or any being create his own lottery ? I thought it was heavily regularized in most of countries. (I am reading this site (http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Washington/) at the moment, who knows what I will find)
Laby you see it in wrong way, look how this is work:
1. You pay with your Dollars for NCoins not for anything in the L2 Store.
2. If you buy a Luck Stone R-Grade from L2 Store with NCoins and the enchant fail you loose and you can loose here too, but at least you can get some useful reward too.
3. There are some kind of collector cards for World of Warcraft or for Star Wars too when you buy from the shop a card package what have 5 cards maybe you need to buy 1000 packages to get the card what you miss, while the another 999 cards are just average cards.
Sace, I suggest you, and your staff, just stop trying to come up with nice ways for the players to do anything, even stop doing events at all.
There will always be ppl crying about stuff like this, and some are just never happy with anything.
If someone doesnt want to buy something without knowing how high of a chance they have to win a specific prize, I suggest those ppl do something else with their NCoin.
After all I do not really like neither this Aden Prize Wheel in this form.
I think you should allow to players to use this Aden Prize Wheel if they buy NCoins like:
5$ - 400NCoins + 1 time you can use the Prize Wheel
10$ - 800NCoins + 3 times you can use the Prize Wheel
25$ - 2000NCoins + 10 times you can use the Prize Wheel
50$ - 4000NCoins +25 times you can use the Prize Wheel
I think this would be the most fair offer to both the player and the NCwest.
If you can achieve the Prize Wheel turn by complete X amount of game content is useless for the NCwest, because than again the botter companies would get all the best rewards.
But their NCwest you should know, that this Aden Prize Wheel makes same addiction as the Casino Machine addiction.
You should know that maybe some people maybe will use up all of his/her salary on your Aden Prize Wheel, while after a time he will loose his/her whole life.
I do support your idea about the Aden Prize Wheel, but look the idea what I told you much better.
Sace, I suggest you, and your staff, just stop trying to come up with nice ways for the players to do anything, even stop doing events at all.
There will always be ppl crying about stuff like this, and some are just never happy with anything.
If someone doesnt want to buy something without knowing how high of a chance they have to win a specific prize, I suggest those ppl do something else with their NCoin.
I dont think you read or understood. Its nothing to do with nice, and everything to do with likely breaking the law. The legalities aside, i really dont like how people are going to pick the epics i worked so hard for over the years for in a few hours by spending 10k. Perhaps you didnt spend more then 2 years farming valakas/antharas doing quests on 5 toons every single bi-weekly period to earn the one i got.. but I did.. and its already bad enough selling some of the items they sell.. but now they are breaking every status symbol item into open availability by spending money.
Might as well just make a scroll u can buy for 50 bucks that will give you anywhere bewteen 50b and 1Trillion XP.
Might as well just bring out those crystals now for 100 dollars that never fail.
Might as well just sell the valakas/antharas direct..
Might as well just sell the weapon parts for blessed weaponry directly from ncoin store.
And the best part, do it all at once.. heh, atm what cant you get by spending money? not much apparently. At least before it was somewhat balanced because it came in waves.. first weapon enchants, then armor enchants in february of this year etc.. spacing it out so that at least if you played for a year and spent a reasonable ammount of money each month you would evetually get stacked and competative.. how it is now all you need to do is drop 20k this month on GTC and ull have it all.
I saw this coming. NCSoft is a business and they are here to make money by offering side items and services. Instead of complaining about where your money goes, keep it in your pocket. Christmas is coming up, people like presents. Buy presents.
You know, despite my initial feelings when they started selling EWR-D over some months I still felt the game was a skill game.. the more this goes along the more i realize that indeed its becoming more and more pay to win. Just like any normal human beings, things evolve over time.. and what was good this month wont be good enough next month etc.. constantly pushing the boarders of what people will deal with.
just need to add money for armore and weapons, and this game server will be like other privet servers,but at least there will be few bots..:mad::mad: worst event ever:mad:
All I'm getting from Sace's deflected responses so far is "we're trying to see how much money we can sucker people out of before they realize there's nothing incredibly amazing worth trying for."
I realize L2 is a business with a complete disregard for player satisfaction and enforcing its own EULA but from a marketing standpoint, you're more likely to get higher participation by actually posting what the rewards are, instead of trying to turn it into a community event that relies on the honor system to first of all even post they received something, and then for it to be an actual prize.
what do you want guys...... come on....
because you spent some nc coins you want after 20-30-50 spin to get valakas and antharas....?!!!!!:confused:
be serioussssssss!!!!!
All I'm getting from Sace's deflected responses so far is "we're trying to see how much money we can sucker people out of before they realize there's nothing incredibly amazing worth trying for."
Interpretation is a personal choice, but that translation is certainly not accurate.
I realize L2 is a business with a complete disregard for player satisfaction and enforcing its own EULA but from a marketing standpoint, you're more likely to get higher participation by actually posting what the rewards are, instead of trying to turn it into a community event that relies on the honor system to first of all even post they received something, and then for it to be an actual prize.
Players are not required to post their prizes so it is not meant to something to rely on; the prize thread is meant to be a fun community activity where players post their winnings and see what others won. Not posting the full prize list was a decision made by many team members and it was separate from the prize thread idea. I only associated them as a way for players to see some of the other things they can win from the game. Again, the feedback about the game, including the controversy of the full prize list not being posted, is being forwarded to the team and my superiors; perhaps we can see some improvements in the future. In the meantime we invite you to enjoy the game by your own choice if you so wish. :)
It wasn't meant to be a malicious post I just don't understand the position of hiding what the potential prizes are from the people giving you money :P
Some people call this event, I call it gamble.
Of course i won't spend even 1 USD for ncsoft. Seriously this does not look like game now. Real money all the time for buying pixels. You will tell me ok, ncsoft did not force anyone to buy coins and coins and coins. True.
But let's open our eyes and look around. Ncsoft earns lots of money, much much more from the subscription system we had. And what they do for the game? Nothing. Game is full of buggs, full of bots everywhere as it was always, gameguard errors 3 weeks now, full of adena sellers, poor customer service with huge delay in their responds (4 days-week+ some issues), /gmlist command i wonder why exists (never a gm is available in the 5 years i play), in-game petition never available etc.
Only good thing hapenned the past week is the chat restrictions in using shouts (!) till level 77. But guess what! We did not get rid off adena sellers. They spam us through private messages (") every 1 minute, and macro command /allblock is useless cause it blocks all (even party invitations) etc.
So, Don't we give too much to a company that offers too little?
Cheers.
Are all these items all bound or can they be traded?
Also you never got back to me about my old forum user account Topside, my original made in beta, I asked about this in the contact us forum link.
Thanks.
All of the prize items are tradable except for ones that are naturally non-tradable by game mechanics. For example, Energy of Destruction is a non-tradable item in-game, and the one the Aden Prize Wheel gives is the same.
Regarding the old forum account, PM me the older forum account info and the ticket number and I can try to get the fixed for you sooner. (If you have other questions about that, PM too, please, to keep this thread on-topic. :))
lol guys what do you expected? mayor prize within 1-10th try?
This kind of lottos or similar system as "gacha" requieres playing not 5 or 20 times but 50 or more and odds r never revealed, might try 100 times and get nothing but consumables, potions and that stuff or a blessed anti in the 2nd or 3rd.
Ive seen this in a lot of games before and at least ncsoft doesnt give OP stuff or exclusive and imba items that could make with time a bunch of "gods" among regular players, (exclusive custom/new weap,jewls,clothes with imba attributes) besides seems cheaper than those games where u have to pay 20 US for 10 trys or less. It doesnt matter when some think of this as a rip-off theres always a group of players willing to burn their ccards, anyway everyone gets a benefit from it since wheel players can sell their stuff in AH and have more DEW* DEA* in regular market.
An advice to ncsoft... Increase the consumable rewards like those milks or life-stones so you dont dissapoint ppl when they fail at getting the blessed jewl, give em something worthy and not 1 pot *_* dont include things as lv3 dyes. I mean... just 1 Giant energy? make it 5 !!
I have friends playing this, 99 NCoin a spin, and they're getting stuff like 1 buff milk, 1 skill enchant codex, 1 energy of destructon, etc. You display these awesome prizes, like Blessed Anthy and Valaks, but fail to mention the chances to win and the list of junk people usually get.
You guys have really taken it to a new low with this.
sorry about your friends luck but i got about 100mil worth of stuff and given that it cost me ten bucks i bet this is a plan to stiffle some of the adena buying. lets see if those that ebay realize it
After we forwarded the feedback so far I've been given permission to share the full reward list! :D Adding that to the opening post of the prize thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=249202) now! (May take a few minutes...)
I did make 4 spins so 400NCoins the reward prices was about 80-90kk costed me 6,5$, so I think its ok for this money, but I won't pay anymore for this kind of lucky stuffs.
As I did write in a comment before in this topic, this system would be good for NCoins Promotion, but this isn't good as it is now.
Sace, I suggest you, and your staff, just stop trying to come up with nice ways for the players to do anything, even stop doing events at all.
There will always be ppl crying about stuff like this, and some are just never happy with anything.
If someone doesnt want to buy something without knowing how high of a chance they have to win a specific prize, I suggest those ppl do something else with their NCoin.
You're completely missing two points. First of all, they are trying to prey on people by giving them an undisclosed chance to get certain items that are all but unobtainable otherwise. There is no spending limit, so some poor slob with a gambling problem could wipe himself out. The jewels sell for 2k USD on the RMT market, so you know there are also people that will try their luck for a windfall.
Second of all, the addition of the top top epics is just another push toward putting everything in the game into the store. Sure, if 3 or 4 go onto each server it's probably not that big of a deal, but they've taken a game that maybe used to cost 45-90 a month for multiple accounts and made it into this insanely costly experience for the competitive level of the game. This is killing off that player base as different people reach their limit, and when that groups goes the game will be done with.
Ty Sace (and your superior) for publishing this list :)
Edit : Any chance to see the Kechi Sealbook added ? The raidboss is not farmable anymore, and the book can't be get by an other means that event
Probably not for this 2-week debut of the game, but perhaps in the future. :) (Moving this to the discussion thread, to keep the prize thread about obtained-prizes only. :))
sorry about your friends luck but i got about 100mil worth of stuff and given that it cost me ten bucks i bet this is a plan to stiffle some of the adena buying. lets see if those that ebay realize it
This is only going to make adena purchase worse I think....
Problem is, they censor the real problem of the game currently which is the botting and inflation that the markets are going through. Its not the ncoin store that wreaks the game, but it can seem like it, those items are only as valuable as the adena in play.. and its going up by the hundreds of billions per day with all the bots that are running lose.
They have a moral dilema really.. ban the players paying them, or dont. If we ban X person, the 99 time hero with all that good stuffs going for him, they also ban the same person thats paying 1000 spins of this wheel a month etc.
Anyway this is getting off topic, the prize wheel is fine if and only if they can controlt he third party currency market.. otherwise they have quite litterly created a game which is now rooted entirely in gambling.
I am a recovered gambleholic myself, lost far to much money.. and i know a gambling game when I see one.. I wont quit because of this.. but it certainly aint good for me. Yes you give an item worth something every time, small, yes we get that, but with the third party currency market the way it is and how the bots are roaming free without check.. before the contests were close loop.. this one is wide open and quite astounding.
Fix the third party currency market.
Fix the bots and drive the farmers away.
Bind the items, and the idea itself is pretty smart.. as long as the blessed jewels are beyond and i mean BEYOND rare. BEYOND rare, like, we get 1 in 3 years of usage. that kind of rarity is acceptable.. anything higher then that is sorta just asking to watch people with money abus your system for monitary gain.
i log in to try the aden wheel prize and it just pops up the login screen wtf is it bugged?
That's a known issue-- if you put in the incorrect login info we currently don't have a "login error" message, it just refreshes instead. Try logging into the website, like Path to Awakening or L2 Galleria first, and then returning to the game page. If the login info is incorrect you will at least see the proper error message through those other login pages.
That's a known issue-- if you put in the incorrect login info we currently don't have a "login error" message, it just refreshes instead. Try logging into the website, like Path to Awakening or L2 Galleria first, and then returning to the game page. If the login info is incorrect you will at least see the proper error message through those other login pages.
price wheel 89 spins = fail items... oh yes 1 blessed enchant wepon & DEAS... but stop read the next line
i bought before 4x destiny packs with ancient scrolls wepons all of them fail included a old destny pack with DEWR also failed 5x fail
every single of enchant book/scroll destruction S was fail xD
i put lots of money in this game but it back fire me so hard :D
that now i TRULLY STOP spending my euro's to this game
last thing i buy wil be rose spirit buff items
i wil also mention there is a chance to get good items guys (0,000001% for something that u want;) )
Sace, you did write in one of your comment, that someone or some players did win some of the top reward.
Can you tell to us, that what top rewards did they win and on what server?
I'm afraid we don't have tracking for that level of detail yet, so I cannot provide that info yet. We should be able to in the future though.
LOL still doesnt work.
So far we don't have any reports of the login function not working, so I suspect that the login credentials may be incorrect. :( Please contact the account support team if you're still having trouble logging into the website, or into the game.
Edit: sorry, nevermind! I just learned that moving around between the logins may cause a faulty redirect we haven't been able to fix yet. You may be looking at https instead of http. Try login into the Aden Prize Wheel from this URL: http://www.lineage2.com/spin/
price wheel 89 spins = fail items... oh yes 1 blessed enchant wepon & DEAS... but stop read the next line
i bought before 4x destiny packs with ancient scrolls wepons all of them fail included a old destny pack with DEWR also failed 5x fail
every single of enchant book/scroll destruction S was fail xD
i put lots of money in this game but it back fire me so hard :D
that now i TRULLY STOP spending my euro's to this game
last thing i buy wil be rose spirit buff items
i wil also mention there is a chance to get good items guys (0,000001% for something that u want;) )
You should not play games of chance if you believe you have a chance of winning, you will only be disappointed and disgruntle towards the wrong people. If you can't afford to gamble you shouldn't throw your money away gambling. Risking your hard earned income on games of chance is foolish at best, this type of activity is meant only for the rich.
If you don't like it don't play, if you can't afford it don't play... leave it for those that want it.
You should not play games of chance if you believe you have a chance of winning, you will only be disappointed and disgruntle towards the wrong people. If you can't afford to gamble you shouldn't throw your money away gambling. Risking your hard earned income on games of chance is foolish at best, this type of activity is meant only for the rich.
You should not play games of chance if you believe you have a chance of winning, you will only be disappointed and disgruntle towards the wrong people. If you can't afford to gamble you shouldn't throw your money away gambling. Risking your hard earned income on games of chance is foolish at best, this type of activity is meant only for the rich.
If you don't like it don't play, if you can't afford it don't play... leave it for those that want it.
Entirely agreed. Ncsoft will need gambling support centre soon to deal with the addiction levels.. Buy law in most casino, race tracks to display "There is life after gambling, or other sort of signs".. ncsoft should get a warning i think haha.
You should not play games of chance if you believe you have a chance of winning, you will only be disappointed and disgruntle towards the wrong people. If you can't afford to gamble you shouldn't throw your money away gambling. Risking your hard earned income on games of chance is foolish at best, this type of activity is meant only for the rich.
If you don't like it don't play, if you can't afford it don't play... leave it for those that want it.
i like the game i like the gamble i can afford the gamble
i am abit disappointed indeed of all the fails i get lateley... i just warn ppl that with 8K NCoin u not gonna get what u wanted unless u win the korean random/NCwest random.. this topic is made to tell what u get right? i also do explain ppl what u can exspect ;p that might be wrong ;)
I have a complain to make, I got and Email saying I can spin that weel and get prices and the weel said I have 3 more trys and I did them BUT in any way it says anywhere that I was using my NCoins.
So I end up wasting more than 300 NCoins for almost nothing. Be carefull and EXPLAIN to ppl before, put in BIG words you are using your NCoins.
That was a evel marketing move NC, shame on you.
Oh my wonderfull list of prices for the 3 turns:
5000 BSSR (im a Tyrr so is worthless)
1 miserable Elixir of blessing (that I can make myself or buy for one miserable mentee mark or use the ch buffs)
1 Lv5 Dye Box and I got the cheapest Dye you can get "MEN" only sell for 30kk
That's a complete rip off, the chances of getting something worth the money are just too low.
I prefer to pay 15 bucks a month and get the complete game than playing it for free and then every once in a while I have to pay to 'develop faster' and keep up with other players.
Lineage 2 is disappointing after Truly Free, you guys turned into mercenaries, everything focused on profit...
Many players, including me, buying NCoin to do this wheel... But after doing it, I can just say... Not worth it. And it seems MANY people are not getting nice things, not only me.
FYI We've already seen in our logs that some of the top prizes have been won! o.O Hopefully one of those people will post in the prize thread.
God i love this quote: now lets do the math
Combined population on all servers is around 14k people, if 30% decided to play this event it's around 4k people. Lets take an average of 5 spins per person = 20k spins. Sace proudly says - "some", so lets assume max 10 prizes. As an aftermath the average chance of getting Top rewards will be 0.03-5%
Hey Sace why won't you post how many people have won - Bless/Standard Valakas or Antharas. Cuz the rest 5 prizes we can get in-game easily.
You know, despite my initial feelings when they started selling EWR-D over some months I still felt the game was a skill game.. the more this goes along the more i realize that indeed its becoming more and more pay to win. Just like any normal human beings, things evolve over time.. and what was good this month wont be good enough next month etc.. constantly pushing the boarders of what people will deal with.
Ok so lets look at this from a gamblers POV for a second.
I can purchase on line GTC unlimited quantity, lets say I go to offgamers right now and spend 10,000. I get my 800k coins. I then turn around and spin this wheel 80000 times. I likely get a few items worth something. Lets say I get a few blessed antharas/belssed valakas + lots of other items i can sell on the open markets for adena, i then sell the adena back to real world currency. (lots of players are already thinking of this and doing it.. its a well known problem).. This is a pure form of gambling, u dont know your getting anything more out then you put in, but if your lucky you make mega bucks. Yes, you have to break nc terms and conditions to do it, but you can still do it. Do you have a gambling license?
Why do you rant about such mindless stuff. If you want to climb up the legality morality tree you need to ask better questions.
For example, "What is the tax break down on NCoin?"
I pay no sales tax at the store when I buy NCoin. Cash is changing hands for items that do not exist. So, NCsoft has found a way to completely bypass paying sales tax.
There arguement can be simple , elegant and brilliant.
For example, "We sell nothing, so why should we be taxed for it?"
Some people call this event, I call it gamble.
Of course i won't spend even 1 USD for ncsoft. Seriously this does not look like game now. Real money all the time for buying pixels. You will tell me ok, ncsoft did not force anyone to buy coins and coins and coins. True.
But let's open our eyes and look around. Ncsoft earns lots of money, much much more from the subscription system we had. And what they do for the game? Nothing. Game is full of buggs, full of bots everywhere as it was always, gameguard errors 3 weeks now, full of adena sellers, poor customer service with huge delay in their responds (4 days-week+ some issues), /gmlist command i wonder why exists (never a gm is available in the 5 years i play), in-game petition never available etc.
Only good thing hapenned the past week is the chat restrictions in using shouts (!) till level 77. But guess what! We did not get rid off adena sellers. They spam us through private messages (") every 1 minute, and macro command /allblock is useless cause it blocks all (even party invitations) etc.
So, Don't we give too much to a company that offers too little?
Cheers.
I myself agree 110% with this post.....when i get a stable server again and all the stupid glitches worked out....MAYBE just MAYBE ill buy NC Coin again...until that time comes...as i said earlier..."I will feed the needy...Not the Greedy"...so i will continue to grind like i did in the old days...w/o vit and ill get my lvls..just not as fast as the rest of the ppl. :eek:
I spent 1000 ncoin, and came not only no good item, it ta for more wheel of chance, do not tell what percentage of the prizes that you can win.
to 1000 ncoin played 10 times won:
2 milk
2 high-life stone r
1 box = 1 Attribute crystal dark crystal
1 box rare soul crystal r = yellow rare soul crystal
1 scroll processing Anakim
1 Superior giant codex
1 blessing scroll of resurrection
1 giant energy
Spent in this game of chance that is programmed to not give items top of the game, 15.00 dollar, I am here in Brazil, that in my currency equivalent to 29.00 Reais + international transaction fee card that equals $ 0,46 dollar, 1.00 per dollar used, all this is around 36.00 Reais, pageui guy in a lot of trash, items that consiguiria any player in the game too easy.
It is my experience NOT IS WORTH IF TO WIN THIS.:(
Just another action of NCW that let me miss the good old p2p times...
For me, that's a no go. Won't buy coins for such a system.
PS: As i already asked/suggested a few times:
Give us a preview for the Exploration Packs !
Defo won't waste my money for such useless Packs. Maybe would have bought 2-3 of the old Packs if i would have known earlier.
judging by the responses looks like anything but the jewelery is easy to get. I suspected this would be the case. It's to keep you playing into the chance of it.
You don't need to flame people here on how they spend their money. It's good recon to see if you use more spins if you get better wins or less. The people who did 100 spins or more are the ones who can report any patterns or what seems to be common prizes.
Why do you rant about such mindless stuff. If you want to climb up the legality morality tree you need to ask better questions.
For example, "What is the tax break down on NCoin?"
I pay no sales tax at the store when I buy NCoin. Cash is changing hands for items that do not exist. So, NCsoft has found a way to completely bypass paying sales tax.
There arguement can be simple , elegant and brilliant.
For example, "We sell nothing, so why should we be taxed for it?"
Wrap your noodle around that.
Really, well ponder this... I pay sales tax on the NCoin cards.
My strong recommendation is for people to avoid playing this, it's like a predatory scheme. With that said, word is some guy on Chronos in clan Enmity spent one thousand USD on NCoin (that's 80,000 NCoin or 808 spins) and got both blessed jewels.
My strong recommendation is for people to avoid playing this, it's like a predatory scheme. With that said, word is some guy on Chronos in clan Enmity spent one thousand USD on NCoin (that's 80,000 NCoin or 808 spins) and got both blessed jewels.
Can you confirm this news Sace? has an antharas/valakas been won yet?
Im sooooo mad.....a member of my Clan Just got a Valakas...she is new to L2, only been playing 3 months and she get the Valakas in 8 spins.....what the **...i been playing 8 fn years, and had to bust my *** to get the Jewels i got...lots of PVP...and many many hours of w8in out bosses. It is ******* me off soooooo much.....i just may quit this game......this is truly a PAY to WIn game anymore.......
i know some of you will Flame and Troll me saying i should be happy for her....the fact is IDC what ya think.....why should her or anyone else get something at the spin of a wheel that most of us had to bust our ***** for for many many years..../ends rant :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I also wont tell you the clan im in as many of my clannies come to these forums ( but dont know my name)...bt i will say i play on the Chronos server
Im sooooo mad.....a member of my Clan Just got a Valakas...she is new to L2, only been playing 3 months and she get the Valakas in 8 spins.....what the **...i been playing 8 fn years, and had to bust my *** to get the Jewels i got...lots of PVP...and many many hours of w8in out bosses. It is ******* me off soooooo much.....i just may quit this game......this is truly a PAY to WIn game anymore.......
i know some of you will Flame and Troll me saying i should be happy for her....the fact is IDC what ya think.....why should her or anyone else get something at the spin of a wheel that most of us had to bust our ***** for for many many years..../ends rant :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I also wont tell you the clan im in as many of my clannies come to these forums ( but dont know my name)...bt i will say i play on the Chronos server
My strong recommendation is for people to avoid playing this, it's like a predatory scheme. With that said, word is some guy on Chronos in clan Enmity spent one thousand USD on NCoin (that's 80,000 NCoin or 808 spins) and got both blessed jewels.
Tell me how this can be?.....as you are only allowed up to $400.00 USD using a Credit card on your Master Acct...maybe paying thru Paypal is different...but as far using a CC...$400.00 is max
Random or not ...the Antharas/Valakas jewels should NEVER been a prize at all...let ppl go do the rids like they suppose to and bust their butt like i had to and lets not even talk about the Blessed ones
and after 8 years ...i still dont have a Anthy or Valakas...i have Orfen,AQ,Baium ( which i had to bust my a%$ for),Zaken earring ( which i had to buy cuz it nvr drops, at least ive nvr seen it drop...see my other posts)
later i post another list.... i´ll spin more 100 or 200 times...
Cool, you made 2b in game money....for nearly $150 real money.
I'd rather buy some games for my consoles, than spend money on an MMO which is designed to help the rich, screw the poor.
I play, I play for free, and don't buy anything, because I already know that even if I reach top level and get the best gear, there's always the people with programs who will beat me anyways in PvP regardless.
Yes I am extremely offended that they offer these jewels to people who are willing to sit there and spin a wheel like a dollar slot machine. I worked extremely hard for years to get what I have. When you earn your antharas its the best feeling in the world, and they are now giving it away like its a parlor trick.
Tell me how this can be?.....as you are only allowed up to $400.00 USD using a Credit card on your Master Acct...maybe paying thru Paypal is different...but as far using a CC...$400.00 is max
Random or not ...the Antharas/Valakas jewels should NEVER been a prize at all...let ppl go do the rids like they suppose to and bust their butt like i had to and lets not even talk about the Blessed ones
and after 8 years ...i still dont have a Anthy or Valakas...i have Orfen,AQ,Baium ( which i had to bust my a%$ for),Zaken earring ( which i had to buy cuz it nvr drops, at least ive nvr seen it drop...see my other posts)
You doing something wrong then. I have all pre-god epics and lot of junk all legit. :)
You doing something wrong then. I have all pre-god epics and lot of junk all legit. :)
I have full Epic Boss Jewelry set too and all legit too, but I do agree with Punky, that add to any event Epic Boss Jewelry as reward is stupid idea.
Yes, they should add to Aden Prize Wheel as Lilith's Necklace, Ant Queen Soul Ring, Orfen Soul Earring, Orfen Soul, Ant Queen Soul. Top S84 weapons: Mamba Edge, Eternal Core Dual Sword etc.
Those items what aren't available in the game.
But to put to a Prize Wheel the best or some of best items in the game, isn't the best idea in a MMORPG game.
Although I have no intention of throwing my money away on something like this a few of my friends wanted to try it. Thing is they were upset because none of them have a level 85 character yet because they play even more casually than I do.
So not only is NC bringing in gambling (which I could care less about) they are restricting it to higher level players only.
And I feel the jewelry prizes are a bad idea, just put them in the L2Store if you are so intent on making money.
Here I thought NC could not get any more desperate. :D
I have full Epic Boss Jewelry set too and all legit too, but I do agree with Punky, that add to any event Epic Boss Jewelry as reward is stupid idea.
Yes, they should add to Aden Prize Wheel as Lilith's Necklace, Ant Queen Soul Ring, Orfen Soul Earring, Orfen Soul, Ant Queen Soul. Top S84 weapons: Mamba Edge, Eternal Core Dual Sword etc.
Those items what aren't available in the game.
But to put to a Prize Wheel the best or some of best items in the game, isn't the best idea in a MMORPG game.
Entirely agreed. I dont mind baium, and frint and freya and all those jewels going up there.. but the super epics.. is fricken stupid. Thats like those new 5k patk bows coming out, are you going to raffle those off to? If you do that I certainly wont be playing..
later i post another list.... i´ll spin more 100 or 200 times...
In Brazil gambling games are not allowed (real life). Maybe now you understand the reason of this law.
Entirely agreed. I dont mind baium, and frint and freya and all those jewels going up there.. but the super epics.. is fricken stupid. Thats like those new 5k patk bows coming out, are you going to raffle those off to? If you do that I certainly wont be playing..
Well, I do not think that the NCwest would do this, Cryo is an old player in Lineage 2 he knows well, that with this step he would sell too much power if they would give the chance to win these dragon weapons or any rare material for its upgrade.
First, For Gamblers, congratulations on leaving the balance sheet in the L2 "slightly blue" , as well as leaving the nobles Staff employees have guaranteed the thirteenth salary, the fourteenth, the fifteenth, (perhaps the sixteenth salary? ... )
Second, For the pessimists, keep in mind not to infect others and futures bettors with their flames topics (I know there are many players unhappy with the format, typical of betting, but identical as other events, being the best rewards with chances more remote possible, simple, always was and always will be).
I see that the only good thing in this "event outside the windows of L2" has been the "reheating" of trade in game, and many rare items back.
For example, I'd love to see many players participating in this event and getting many sealbooks transfortmations for sale, enabling future competition and falling prices. (I quoted this example just purely for my class Wynn, some may think that is pure exaggeration or charm, but I'm not the only one wanting the sealbooks such, who is Wynn, knows what it is).
3) Angry they can't participate due to level restriction
I fall under category #3. I don't understand this restriction. Why as a new player am I being excluded from this event? Its not restricted to " X " amount of rolls per character or anything like that...this level restriction makes no sense to me. Unless I've missed something o.o
Hey Sace i have a question, on the main page for this event it says "You need to log in (https://login.ncsoft.com/login/loginform)and select a server and character to play Aden Prize Wheel. So, current Lineage® II players that have enough NCoin (http://www.lineage2.com/en/marketplace/buy-ncoin/)™ can play Aden Prize Wheel. Specifically, anyone who has an NC Account (or NCSOFT® Master Account), has NCoin in the account, and has a character on a server in the game can play. " soooo why cant a i play the game on a different server with my lvl 40?
it won't let me play, it says i need a higher level character to play. i am selecting my 81 GK. if it helps, i haven't logged into L2 since ... probably 8 months...
it won't let me play, it says i need a higher level character to play. i am selecting my 81 GK. if it helps, i haven't logged into L2 since ... probably 8 months...
First, For Gamblers, congratulations on leaving the balance sheet in the L2 "slightly blue" , as well as leaving the nobles Staff employees have guaranteed the thirteenth salary, the fourteenth, the fifteenth, (perhaps the sixteenth salary? ... )
Second, For the pessimists, keep in mind not to infect others and futures bettors with their flames topics (I know there are many players unhappy with the format, typical of betting, but identical as other events, being the best rewards with chances more remote possible, simple, always was and always will be).
I see that the only good thing in this "event outside the windows of L2" has been the "reheating" of trade in game, and many rare items back.
For example, I'd love to see many players participating in this event and getting many sealbooks transfortmations for sale, enabling future competition and falling prices. (I quoted this example just purely for my class Wynn, some may think that is pure exaggeration or charm, but I'm not the only one wanting the sealbooks such, who is Wynn, knows what it is).
I did make 4 spins, just to try. But I do not like the prize list neither.
This isn't gambling in, that form neither if you write it down 1 million times.
I think I wait the "Holiday Season" to buy NCoins maybe at this time, will some really good discount or offer:).
later i post another list.... i´ll spin more 100 or 200 times...
Thank you for this valuable info.
11k coins = 2B that means ca. 140$ = 2B that means 7$ = 100kk. Slightly cheaper than RMT, but still, I don't like anything with chance involved. Even in L2 i try to minimize random factor by never enchanting, never crafting etc. So it's not for me :P
Though it might be very profitable, if you buy enough spins to get Anthy, but that would require more $, than I wish to spend on the game :S
At Naia BEWR = 200kk in AH
And the sealbooks sell for more lesser afaik.
For me, this is a no go.
NCWest should focus on sub-> main / dualclass -> main service instead.
Lesser gambling, lesser interference with the IG economy -> more happy ppl.
But ye....
so I made a donation after a long time without do so. and was disappointed.
I'm not as lucky puz my brother playing for me. and when I look at the items were: Milks, Blessed scroll of escape, Blessed resurrection, Energy of Destruction, Giant energys and many Codex.
I really feel aggrieved for not presenting the actual list of items on the page of the event.
I know that after this theft not nothing happened then so is my rant who will NEVER make a donation again!
well, if ppl is crying coz red weaps or who win paying or buying adena, and ncsoft, now, put blessed rare rare rare epics, wouldnt be the same in a paralel way? so, i think, something must be wrong.
The thing should be finish with adena sellers or botters, not do they the competence :)
Sace .... why not posting the actual list of items on the main page of the event?
It was to faser people spend so ncoins and then get knowing the real prizes available??
Really horrible I pay for each, 1 dollar = 2 real (Brazil coin) ...
After almost 20 bids win 1 Unbind R-99 and the rest junk, and disappointing!
When you ppl will understand none told you to PLAY IT,and NOT EVERYONE can win something, in real life do everyone win the jackpot? even if they pay NO...
so get real if you spend your coins and didnt got anything dont forget the fact if everyone would win something valueble it wouldnt be valueble anymore
Are these NCoins (99 per roll) used to roll the wheel computed 4 the black friday promotion? Any knows?
No. Only by spending them in the Store they're counted for the promotion. It's written in the rules.
I think they have taken a real step backwards in money making for this month and promotion.. but who knows i could be wrong.
I hope if they do make more money with this giant kerplinko machine that they spend some time removing the hardcore adena bots and devote some GM's to soully the task of hunting down the bots in the (MOS/GC/DVC) areas and then banning the adena sellers.. not the buyers.. the sellers.. repeatedly.. until they eventually get discouraged. They should take a lesson from there own book of how you beat people in lineage2.. you beat them repeatedly, over and over and over and over again until eventually they become discouraged... and they would have to maintain those sweeps.. would make a much better game. They wont be able to route out the problem in entirty, but at least that would target the worst of the problem, the absolutely garenteed to be abusing and leave the people who play the game for amusment rather then a profit out of the equation. Dont ban my competition please ncsoft, thats not what I want.
An other pay-to-win event.
All of you "donators"are getting milked for money...and there is STILL no adequate ANSWER for all the bots,adena spammers and hackers that inhabit the servers.No account service...no nothing...
I hope you are happy with the current situation because this is the future of this game.Like it or not.
Free to play+business model that drives people to donate in order to be at the TOP...just perfect.
Well for the people posting about donating..it's not donating you purchased something ok so let's once again set that issue straight.
Now for all the people ranting about having to spend money in order to stay competitive. Old players you KNEW this was coming last year when this came about. It escalated and I said it then that you would find epic jewels among a few things that would make the game seem unfair to the player who won't or can't purchase items.
I did eight spins to see for myself and I agree totally it's a gamble function of the store. It's another "chance to win" something, but the difference is that you get something every time so you don't walk away empty handed. I personally don't like random wins in this game because the odds are slim you'll win anything amazing. You all should know this.
Anything that I had to repeatedly do to earn something in this game has been sold in the shop now. You can legally obtain adena through Ncoin promotions. Will I ever try the wheel of Aden wonders and junk? Probably not. I might log in 2 times a week if that now and don't even bother buying ncoins.
When you ppl will understand none told you to PLAY IT,and NOT EVERYONE can win something, in real life do everyone win the jackpot? even if they pay NO...
so get real if you spend your coins and didnt got anything dont forget the fact if everyone would win something valueble it wouldnt be valueble anymore
When you play a game prizes you know them, that's what do attracts people to play ... how would you feel if you play up 20 times and the people you sold the game to give other prizes?
When you play a game prizes you know them, that's what do attracts people to play ... how would you feel if you play up 20 times and the people you sold the game to give other prizes?
Now do you understand?:p
Well congrats on murdering the English language. In either lottery situation be it real life or virtual legally we should get to know what the prizes are and the odds of winning.
Have you ever bought a scratch off ticket,pull tab or lottery ticket? They ALWAYS have the odds of winning and how much winnings you get. When you play the Aden wheel of chance you know what you might get,but you don't know the exact odds of hitting said "jackpot". This is what people are getting upset about. They buy enough coins for lets say 100 spins with no idea the odds of what their wins will be. We can ASSUME obviously that getting a nepic jewel is very low odds given you've played this game long enough to learn that about NCSoft.
Things like these are cheap,addicting and the payouts low and left to chance. If you don't like the low chances I would not participate in this event. Express your dislikes constructively so that maybe NC will get the memo that we don't like being ripped off. I didn't like how Sace told us that she couldn't tell us the prizes and then WOW a page or so later there's a list posted, but oh we can't tell you the odds of what you'll win. That seems a little off to me.
Keep spining the wheel people...make them rich.
NC tests the water..you know..to see how things are going and i think there will be even more pay-to-win events in the "near future".Yes some people can afford it.
The reason why i will never "pay" for something like this?Because it reminds me of that "cheap private server attitude" aka "20$-BEWS,200$-Weapon of choice,1000$-boss jewel...and so on" aaaaand Tadaaahh!!The next thing you see is some guy runing around like a boss with his "red weapon" and gear.Give me a break.
I just don't see why...you people keep spending money for this game.You get no adequate service at all.Oh excuse me the game is free to play :O you will never have that kind of good service.You will be constantly milked for money untill L2 dies.Good luck.
And again, this is not fair. You have limited participation to 85+ characters only, so each account should have the right to spin free once a week.
Afterwards, anyone who wants to spin more should pay.
It should be like Kartia instances, you have the right to enter once a while but you can pay to do it more. Same goes for exp, you can get as much exp you want, but you can pay to get more.
So, why don't you make it free once a week and pay to spin more ?
something is really wrong for me :S i tried to login to spin and when i select server and char it says that i need a higher lvl character :S wtf iam 92 :S
I can post pics of two +6 Anatharas if you wish? But i have no pics to show the actual win :(
Or if you are on chronos i can directly link/show :P
every spin(99 nccoins) is registered in master account's account management under purchase history with nccoins(together with exp runes or whatever you purchased with nccoins) so .... screenshot or it never happend:P
Why people complain about how much they spend gambling and the low end prizes they receive? If you can’t afford to gamble DON”T! You look like an idiot when you cry about what you didn't win. The Aden wheel is a form of gambling, you wager your NC Coin on a chance for a nice prize… and with this wheel you are guaranteed to win something… which is not the way life works.
I live in Las Vegas, I must be callous towards games of chance and the emotional impact it has on the weak minded.
gam•ble
v. gam•bled, gam•bling, gam•bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.
The Aden Prize Wheel (http://www.lineage2.com/spin) is a fun instant-win mini-game in which you can buy spins for NCoin, spin the wheel, and win big! Every spin is a win and rewards you with useful rewards. In its debut the Aden Prize Wheel will be available for 2 weeks only, from November 21 to December 5, 2012. Based on popularity and success it may return in the future with even better prizes! :)
Have questions or comments? Check the FAQ on the game page (http://www.lineage2.com/spin/), or post them here in this thread.
holas primero que nada quiero expresar mi descontendo con lo del evento de la dichosa rueda que fue pura sacada de dinero y sin afan de ofender no se si los pj con armas a mas 16 son pj de gm ya que algo un poco dudoso de creer ya que si uno encanta a +4 pierdes tu arma o si los gm influyen con los pj en algunos clanes que mala onda ya parese server fruta otra no se que logica este buscando a el tanke yo soy tanke y me da pena pvp ya que es el pj mas inutil del server y no entiendo por que es asi siendo que el tanke es el pj mas dificil de lv y el mas dificil de matar la verdad siendo que es un poco incuerente el sistema de juego desgraciada mente ya inverti mucho dinero en nccoin y tiempo sino me largaba de este server sin mas que comentar chequen ustedes los estatus de los pj no creen pj a lo ton..pongan en una balansa los pj ya que esta muy mal estabilisado y si esto sige asi pronto beremos armas a mas 20 muchas gracias gm por su atencion y porfavor chequen a el clan malkuth el lider es el botero mas grande del sever sin mensionar otros lideres que ustedes por pura logica los pj no podrian ser el lv que son
holas primero que nada quiero expresar mi descontendo con lo del evento de la dichosa rueda que fue pura sacada de dinero y sin afan de ofender no se si los pj con armas a mas 16 son pj de gm ya que algo un poco dudoso de creer ya que si uno encanta a +4 pierdes tu arma o si los gm influyen con los pj en algunos clanes que mala onda ya parese server fruta otra no se que logica este buscando a el tanke yo soy tanke y me da pena pvp ya que es el pj mas inutil del server y no entiendo por que es asi siendo que el tanke es el pj mas dificil de lv y el mas dificil de matar la verdad siendo que es un poco incuerente el sistema de juego desgraciada mente ya inverti mucho dinero en nccoin y tiempo sino me largaba de este server sin mas que comentar chequen ustedes los estatus de los pj no creen pj a lo ton..pongan en una balansa los pj ya que esta muy mal estabilisado y si esto sige asi pronto beremos armas a mas 20 muchas gracias gm por su atencion y porfavor chequen a el clan malkuth el lider es el botero mas grande del sever sin mensionar otros lideres que ustedes por pura logica los pj no podrian ser el lv que son
Please only use English when posting on the forum.
Please only use English when posting on the forum.
Dunno if this helps you, but just in case I'm summarizing the post...
He/she basically express his/her discomfort at the wheel and the waste of money it caused due to prizes. Also something about selling power with the scrolls to make +16 weapons, unbalancing PvP.
Lastly, something about a clan on Shilen which is suspected of illegal activity.
I wish they would add, Somewhere on the prize wheel it actually costs coin which verifies you want to use your ncoin. Similar when you confirm purchases of items on NCOIN. If you just randomly login to your account not knowing what is going on it could cost people coin if they were not aware it was burning through there coin.
I sadly did this thinking i had built up spins since i had not logged in awhile.
Im sure legally you should post this somewhere visually besides the bottom of the page.
Personally, I liked this, I'd drop 20$ on NC Coins each month (cheaper than when I was paying 15 a month for two accounts) log into the wheel screen, Scroll down so I couldn't see the actual prize, Take all my spins and then log my toon in and see what I got, It was pretty cool, Looking forward to it coming back someday.