Very clear. Like Korea and Taiwan, I've started a petition to let NCSoft change the Seal of Shilien Altar to pre-Glory Days ways. So no longer campaign success dependant but random openings during the week. With the current system it's impossible to get Special Ability for R95, the value of the weapons drop and the people without R95-SA weapons having a major disadvantage in PvE/P due to lower grade weapons and stats.
Shameless self bump after seeing people offering over 1.2bil for any R95 Soul Crystal on Naia. Nobody can get R95 weapons when just the Soul Crystal is as expensive as putting a 2nd SA on R95.
Shameless self bump after seeing people offering over 1.2bil for any R95 Soul Crystal on Naia. Nobody can get R95 weapons when just the Soul Crystal is as expensive as putting a 2nd SA on R95.
Its posted on another forum that the Korean dev are thinking about changing it back to the way it was or make it like Hellbound (once open - forever open).
btw the servers we are playing have players from around the globe while in Korea the have almost only Koreans (I guess).
Their peak time zone can not be compared with ours.
Thats also why capmaigns fail and are completely useless.
some option for ppl, to avoid pettition crap, that will not work for sure
OEd Apocalypse weapon will help you and second SA is cheap
bot your toon to 99 (anyway NCsoft not care about it right now, my petition on bots going like water into sand without any response....) and forget about 95+ SA
Or buy 99+ toon, gear it up and play for fun
Its posted on another forum that the Korean dev are thinking about changing it back to the way it was or make it like Hellbound (once open - forever open).
btw the servers we are playing have players from around the globe while in Korea the have almost only Koreans (I guess).
Their peak time zone can not be compared with ours.
Thats also why capmaigns fail and are completely useless.
Good point.
It's not impossible to get this campaign done. But it does require ppl actually PARTICIPATING, and not just ignoring it.
Alot of ppl can get active on forums and make petitions and shout at the top of their lungs how hard it is to get SA crystals.
But do they take the time to coordinate their clan to do the campaign? Obviouslyl not.
But NCsoft is supposed to handicap the game for them?
Pls NCsoft, dont cater to suggestions like this. Ppl need to get off their lazy ***** and actually do something besides camping Kartia npc all day long.
I was curious to read about this petition by the korea and taiwan, if by chance there from the players there. (Please nerds and geeks from forum to share please).
Like Aaliyah pointed out for Korea, Taiwan is a one-time-zone territory and they do complete the campaign, but only on Sunday afternoons when the whole country has adjourned to the internet cafes. It takes 10 parties a bit more than half an hour to open the instance :)
... btw the servers we are playing have players from around the globe while in Korea the have almost only Koreans (I guess).
Their peak time zone can not be compared with ours...
said it all.
In fact who is playing on Korean server or whatever? Japanese? Australian? Hawaiian? Polyglots? (I'd bet on the latter).
Smittie, go forumwarrior somewhere else. Campaign needs 200+ people to complete, only gets shown to players 95+ and frankly all those players mostlikely in top clans meaning doing campaign is mass pvp; aka no campaign mobs to be killed.
Korea, Japan, Taiwan all got only players from own timezone and country. For Korean and Japanese servers you need a social security number and local phone number to registration. They'll check and call/message for verification. Also, like NCWest servers they have an auto IP block. You cannot connect to NCWest servers from an Asian IP. Innova servers are locked in a different way, by checking very firmly the local settings of the PC.
The main reason why the campaign fails on our EUR/US servers is because the time zones and players. Naia i.e. has a population of 6000. At any given time there are about 300 shops, leaving only 5700 active players to participate. Half of the server are bots, they don't compete. Leaving 2750 players to compete, since the campaign only shows to level 95+ players, drop another 2000 people that see the campaign. The campaign needs 200 people to succeed, 750 people getting the invite and most ignoring them due to clan wars, low reward or already being 99 having +15 R99 weapon with Dual SA and no longer care about the R95 crystals. Take in the calculation that the campaign isn't daily and only 2 campaign moments are given which can include the Seal of Shilien Altar one at riduculous times (13.30 and 23.00, which is during lunch time of most of Naia, and after bedtime of the majority of players (since they're East-Euro, Greece, Russia (+2/+3/+4 GMT)).
Also the campaign system is a complete failure, it got introduced as a way to get awesome rewards but it soon got ignored by all players on server because you needed 200 campaigns, and 400 campaign victories to get something worth getting. Like the Unbind scrolls.
The Seal of Shilien Altar has to just go back to previous settings, opening twice a week without any campaign to do so.
Clearly Shilen server can open it. And thats not even heavy most of the time. Naia and Chronos is. Why are we having trouble opening it on these servers?
Smittie go hide under a rock, and play with your self. Then the rest of us might do something usefull then read your posts.
Its very simple why Naia and chronos cant open it, all top clans think like this. IF we help opening it, then others will benefit from it, so we wont.
Right now there is 2 problems beside non of the top clan and its ppl will help.
1. Campain is at random times, so lets go naia forum and post "Some random time the next 7 day lets meet up and do shilen campain, and maybe if we are lucky we have it open for 1 day, just dont know when"
2. The amount of mobs u need to kill. 2 Days ago campain happened to be up at prime time, with 50 min to go my parts was out killing mobs pulling from 2 arears. Tryed to engage heros to getting ppl to do campain, but like i said non of the top clans gonna help, they risk helping enemie. After then campain was over we stopped and bar was at around 20%. So u pretty much need every spot in Seal of Shilen farming for event.
Something as essential to the game like regular SA cry should not be next to impossible to optain, and left to random chance, specialy when insta for r99 crystals are constantly open, if anything it should be the other way around.
Also, plz edit your signature couse u dont aim to help 1 tiny bit.
You cannot connect to NCWest servers from an Asian IP.
...What? I see a Korean clan on Chronos, I see destructor (Korean player) appearing from time to time, I remember seeing a Japanese player posting here and playing on the Western servers.
Smittie go hide under a rock, and play with your self. Then the rest of us might do something usefull then read your posts.
Its very simple why Naia and chronos cant open it, all top clans think like this. IF we help opening it, then others will benefit from it, so we wont.
Right now there is 2 problems beside non of the top clan and its ppl will help.
1. Campain is at random times, so lets go naia forum and post "Some random time the next 7 day lets meet up and do shilen campain, and maybe if we are lucky we have it open for 1 day, just dont know when"
2. The amount of mobs u need to kill. 2 Days ago campain happened to be up at prime time, with 50 min to go my parts was out killing mobs pulling from 2 arears. Tryed to engage heros to getting ppl to do campain, but like i said non of the top clans gonna help, they risk helping enemie. After then campain was over we stopped and bar was at around 20%. So u pretty much need every spot in Seal of Shilen farming for event.
Something as essential to the game like regular SA cry should not be next to impossible to optain, and left to random chance, specialy when insta for r99 crystals are constantly open, if anything it should be the other way around.
Also, plz edit your signature couse u dont aim to help 1 tiny bit.
The practical problem here is that Chief Developer Namgung Gon can't work with statements like "people don't care" or "top clans don't want to help their enemies".
In order to get a statistical grip on the situation and to quantify the amount of uncaringness on our servers it would be helpful if Juji took a look at the "Combat Duration" section of the Museum Statistics resp. the raw data that make up those statistics. How many lvl 95+ players are logged in on each of the 5 servers from 13:30 to 14:30 but not in combat mode? Those will be afk mentors or auction house campers. There is nothing unlegit about standing in town and not caring about the rest of the server population, that's something everybody must square with their own conscience, it's not for us to judge. But those players must be taken out of the calculation.
Then Juji should also look at the combat duration per month. Characters who are in combat mode for more than 20 days per month must be considered as bots or pathological anti-social elements who care only for leveling their own character and not for the rest of the server population. Those players must also be taken out of the calculation (and while he is about it, Juji can forward the character names to the Game Surveillance Unit for banning).
Only then, when we have numbers, we know what we are talking about. Then Sace can make an official request to the developers, supporting and bolstering what NCTaiwan has already set in motion :)
You know you can "Foe" someone on the forums so you don't see their posts rather than being stupid and telling them not to post. This behavior reminds me of two kids in the back seat of a car "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you..."
as for people who said top clans on naia dont care, tru but not because we dont want others to get their **** done..
because we dont need r95 stuff anymore lol
Clearly Shilen server can open it. And thats not even heavy most of the time. Naia and Chronos is. Why are we having trouble opening it on these servers?
Most likely ppl dont care about opening it.
So start caring.
Or dont get R95 SA crys.
Or ask Sace for crutches I guess....
Clearly you have the need to respond to EVERY topic, Smittie. Like someone has already said, do it elsewhere. You bring NOTHING to the topic at hand and honestly never have! (oh yeah, get those pathetic pals of yours to respond here as well. We all know how moronic your group is). This is against forum rules, however, I have no problem saying it and receiving that ban for it. :)
Sry, but I have a right to post in whatever thread I want.
I do not want this game changed to cater to babies and lazy ppl. If you wanna get 95 sa crystals, gather ppl up and do the campaign. If lesser populated servers can do it, we can too.
Asking Juji and Sace to handicap the game for you is not really adding stuff to topics either, btw.
This is not just your game, dont destroy mine.
Not sure who my friends are supposed to be on this forum, but I guess anyone that agrees with you needing to handicap this game is one of your friends you asked to post then?
Smittie, ruin your game, how about they ruined our game when they changed the system. And your statement about catering to the crowd, sounds like u are one of those ppl who is past the need for r95, and just dont want the rest of us to catch up.
Sometimes changes is good, sometimes they are bad, this has nothing to do with ruining the game, its about balance.
Like i already stated, if anything it should be R99 insta at paranassus that should be triggede by campain at random intervals, not R95. even with the old system getting R99 crystals was easier.
And day come and say less populated servers opened it, all u do is list stuff u read elsewhere on forum, clearly u dont have any expirence about this at all. The fact of the matter is, the campain triggers at 100% random times, and by korean random chances are there can be many days between it becomes activated. Its ok we have to work for it, its not ok that we might not even get to try.
So plz go down to your lokal IKEA and order some köttbullar, and feel good about your self, couse u clearly need it.
Not when ppl wanna turn my favorite game into Hello Kitty.
And I guess you are another one of those that think I do nothing but post all day.
It's not even 5 a day, check the statistics.
There are ppl that quit years ago that have more posts than me.
The problem with you is you think it's just your game. News flash it's everybody's game... When people post something you don't like it's wrong but never the other way. No flame intended.
Smittie, ruin your game, how about they ruined our game when they changed the system. And your statement about catering to the crowd, sounds like u are one of those ppl who is past the need for r95, and just dont want the rest of us to catch up.
Sometimes changes is good, sometimes they are bad, this has nothing to do with ruining the game, its about balance.
Like i already stated, if anything it should be R99 insta at paranassus that should be triggede by campain at random intervals, not R95. even with the old system getting R99 crystals was easier.
And day come and say less populated servers opened it, all u do is list stuff u read elsewhere on forum, clearly u dont have any expirence about this at all. The fact of the matter is, the campain triggers at 100% random times, and by korean random chances are there can be many days between it becomes activated. Its ok we have to work for it, its not ok that we might not even get to try.
So plz go down to your lokal IKEA and order some köttbullar, and feel good about your self, couse u clearly need it.
Ppl dont wanna do the campaign, but they wanna reap the benifits of it?
What's next, ppl dont wanna kill any mobs at all, but still wanna get to 99?
Maybe we can ask Sace/Juji for free exp also?
Can we change swampland quest to where I only need to kill one easy mob and still get the exp as well? It's too crowded for my taste...
Anything else any lazy baby want?
The problem with you is you think it's just your game. News flash it's everybody's game... When people post something you don't like it's wrong but never the other way. No flame intended.
No, I dont think its just my game. It's everyone's game. But ppl wanna change it into a kiddie version for lazy ppl.
L2 was never about easy stuff. Some ppl do still enjoy the challenge.
I am allowed to voice my opinion on suggestions here, if you cant handle me posting on a public forum, perhaps you can block me or just dont come here?
Lol Smittie, someone earlier said u posted to get out count up, and omg they are spot on. U dont even relate to what is said to u, u just fling out new meaning less statements with no context to what is being said or discussed.
All u do is sit on your *** and say HAIL NC, NC DONT MAKE MISTAKES !!!!!
How about u actualy engage in what is being said, and bring some constructive.
Some of the points brought up is amoung others,
1. random factor in what campains are run and what time they run. Sins its korean random u are never sure u will even get the chance to open the instance.
2. There is hard and there is impossible. Right now as it is, if just 2 fields are taken by ppl doing daily quest, and if they dont join in, it cant be done. There isnt a increase in mobs or anything.
3. R99 is easy to optain compared to R95, even before campain. R99 covers 97-99 to enter and can be done daily with no pre req. R95 is only for 95-96( after this u dont get marks) before change opened 2 times a week for a limited amount of time. Now even if we manage to open it, we might end up with less then 1 day, and some times we dont get the chance.
R99 should NOT be easier to get then R95, that is kinda pointless and clearly a error in game balance.
Dunno if u did your exp to 99 AFK, but it seems very likely, couse u have no feel for the effect this change. U spend alot of time here on forum i guess, but not ingame.
The practical problem here is that Chief Developer Namgung Gon can't work with statements like "people don't care" or "top clans don't want to help their enemies".
In order to get a statistical grip on the situation and to quantify the amount of uncaringness on our servers it would be helpful if Juji took a look at the "Combat Duration" section of the Museum Statistics resp. the raw data that make up those statistics. How many lvl 95+ players are logged in on each of the 5 servers from 13:30 to 14:30 but not in combat mode? Those will be afk mentors or auction house campers. There is nothing unlegit about standing in town and not caring about the rest of the server population, that's something everybody must square with their own conscience, it's not for us to judge. But those players must be taken out of the calculation.
Then Juji should also look at the combat duration per month. Characters who are in combat mode for more than 20 days per month must be considered as bots or pathological anti-social elements who care only for leveling their own character and not for the rest of the server population. Those players must also be taken out of the calculation (and while he is about it, Juji can forward the character names to the Game Surveillance Unit for banning).
Only then, when we have numbers, we know what we are talking about. Then Sace can make an official request to the developers, supporting and bolstering what NCTaiwan has already set in motion :)
It sounds professional to me and Ncwest should point to Korea our problems.
Besides that,maybe all non pvp,smaller clans of server could unite forces possible using a party matching room for ''CAMPAIGN'' to notify people what day and time to gather and kill mobs?Since constant partys exist also on those clans,its a matter of partyleaders to comminucate and organise it.How many partys of 95lvl people need to kill all mobs for Altar to open?
3. R99 is easy to optain compared to R95, even before campain. R99 covers 97-99 to enter and can be done daily with no pre req. R95 is only for 95-96( after this u dont get marks) before change opened 2 times a week for a limited amount of time. Now even if we manage to open it, we might end up with less then 1 day, and some times we dont get the chance.
Wrong.
It 's not easy compared to R95 on the days Altar was working,because you need to get q items from hunting only at SOH-which requires full good party and if on pvp clan lots of pvp interrupts-and because it requires many more pieces to give for 1 r99 cry.I would say you need double of time at least.
I vote to let altar nonstop open.
Main reason is : people dont have time to make some campaign too , best example is now!
I think its not about the lazyness ,its about the time .
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If lesser populated servers can do it, we can too.
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The sentence can not be true.
In fact, recent and less populated servers (excluding Chronos and Naia) will have their specific difficulties to find players to do the campaign,
Or you're the psychologist from NCWest Staff to explain in December, me in its server, where there was only one successful campaign (or none, players from Shilen, please correct me if i'm wrong on count).
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Ppl dont wanna do the campaign, but they wanna reap the benifits of it?
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Long before the hotfix Campaign (now required to open portal), many players did not campaign and still took advantage of the rewards for. (The worst that nobody dared to report the error).
Or do you think that all this before the hotfix is legal?
And that's just it right there. No one thinks a game takes time to progress into..imagine that! 8 years ago this wasn't the case, now people want all the levels and gear NOW and they want it given to them.
The only thing you really have to work and spend time on is levels(if you're legit). I rather feel it should be left like it is. Too much hand holding in this game now.
It 's not easy compared to R95 on the days Altar was working,because you need to get q items from hunting only at SOH-which requires full good party and if on pvp clan lots of pvp interrupts-and because it requires many more pieces to give for 1 r99 cry.I would say you need double of time at least.
Why do u have to hunt SoH to get R99 crystals. Last i checked the instance for R99 Paranassus is a closed zone like all other instances, and the Mark of Spirit is given in any ground where u get marks, as long as u are high enough in level. but sins paranassus is always there, its a matter of time, that isnt really a factor compared to limited possibility of entrence.
I like the current campaign mode.
Remember the old times to open seed of destruction.... lots of clans fight against Tiat to open then.
The real reason to fail campaign is the midle range clans (or who need the crystal) no coordenation.
The campain isnt a bad idea. But how are middle range clans gonna have a chance to plan for this, when its likely never to happen. Its now 11 days sins last time i saw Campain active on Naia. If campain happened at some regular intervals, that u could relie on, so u had a chance to plan, then yes it would be good. But right now its fail.
I like the current campaign mode.
Remember the old times to open seed of destruction.... lots of clans fight against Tiat to open then.
The real reason to fail campaign is the midle range clans (or who need the crystal) no coordenation.
Doing Tiat to open Cohemenas to open Ekimus. Seed of Destruction was totally different. All top clans did it to get drops, books for skills and to open up Elemental Crystal farm. Since Tiat (+ the others) were top level instances with top level drops even the end-game clans kept farming it. Sadly the SoS campaign isn't and top-clans ignore it.
The campain isnt a bad idea. But how are middle range clans gonna have a chance to plan for this, when its likely never to happen. Its now 11 days sins last time i saw Campain active on Naia. If campain happened at some regular intervals, that u could relie on, so u had a chance to plan, then yes it would be good. But right now its fail.
Yes, the campaign is only 'plan able' if it's every day at i.e. 20:00. Now it's randomly at 13:00 and 20:30 and I haven't seen it either for at least a week. They either have to change the campaign to a more suitable time and better interval, with less mobs to kill so 2nd tier clans can do it, or just roll it back to Tauti-patch ways and just open it twice a week for all server to go in. I bet top-level clans won't mind farming it again for R95 weapons and Maliss' Stormer (which is an awesome weapon and worth 2bil atm).
You, my illogical friend, don't get the main idea. Prices of R95 with SA go nuts, NCwest make another event with blessed scrolls for cash, people get blessed apocalypse, then NCwest put another event for dewrs for cash, and people OE their new blessed apocalypse, and when you put enough cash in your toon you go out to compete. Profit :cool:.
Why do u have to hunt SoH to get R99 crystals. Last i checked the instance for R99 Paranassus is a closed zone like all other instances, and the Mark of Spirit is given in any ground where u get marks, as long as u are high enough in level. but sins paranassus is always there, its a matter of time, that isnt really a factor compared to limited possibility of entrence.
And in which other area 99lvl toons that still need sp for oe skills will hunt?Unless if you suggest keep hiting mobs at 95-97 areas to take nothing but only the mark,kind of nonsense isnt it?
For Altar opening,there have been 3 periods in naia server atleast.On first period,only the ones that botted a party were the ones that could enter and made bilions from selling the r95 crys to all others that were hiting 95lvl(i bought mine for 800m),but not all their party did to be able make the instance.
Period 2, when many partys hit 95, price of crystals suddenly went to 200m with lots of crys unsold in auction,making the farming of Altar good for the drops(only place to get r95 weapons with single party).From all the crys i made and sold from Altar,i havent paid off,the one i bought.
Period 3,no clan bothers to make campaign and new 95 players are in trouble.In my opinion,the clans with most 93+ people should do the campaign,they are the ones that will benefit now from Altar.
On the other hand,farming Parnassus in previous update was giving r99 weapons and secret room many r99 armor parts,but again only botpartys benefited from this,now drops are removed and when we find secret room mobs drop 1 adena.
What these teaches us?Ncsoft designed the game to ''push'' players hit end lvl before their update expires offering top rewards on all instances/raids,for the players that would hit after 6 months those rewards were reduced,for the players that would hit later even more reduced...
On NA servers,the lack of premium accounts with X2 xp/drops and the lack of the Korean coin system that rewards player with free coins for Xhours of gaming,makes all worst.
r99 soul crystals cost right now 84m+ on Naia. It's as expensive as an unidentified apocalypse cutter.
Yes the priorities are messed up and i alrdy mentioned this, that r99game is easier than r95. The abundance of drops is way bigger while upgrading weapons is also easier which does not make sense for end game.
r99 soul crystals cost right now 84m+ on Naia. It's as expensive as an unidentified apocalypse cutter.
Yes the priorities are messed up and i alrdy mentioned this, that r99game is easier than r95. The abundance of drops is way bigger while upgrading weapons is also easier which does not make sense for end game.
Funny enough a clan mate and I were just talking about this last night.
... maybe all non pvp,smaller clans of server could unite forces possible using a party matching room for ''CAMPAIGN'' to notify people what day and time to gather and kill mobs? Since constant parties exist also on those clans,its a matter of partyleaders to communicate and organize it.How many parties of 95lvl people need to kill all mobs for Altar to open?
So I think with 7 or 8 parties concentrating on their work and not wasting time with PvP it should be possible to open the instance within the 45 minutes you realistically have for the Campaign. After all, someone must watch his or her screen, then people must be alerted ... it's basically the same drill as when you are farming the Ant Queen :)
So I think with 7 or 8 parties concentrating on their work and not wasting time with PvP it should be possible to open the instance within the 45 minutes you realistically have for the Campaign. After all, someone must watch his or her screen, then people must be alerted ... it's basically the same drill as when you are farming the Ant Queen :)
as u mentioned not wasting time for pvp .. so pretty much any higher clan is out of question ...
You, my illogical friend, don't get the main idea. Prices of R95 with SA go nuts, NCwest make another event with blessed scrolls for cash, people get blessed apocalypse, then NCwest put another event for dewrs for cash, and people OE their new blessed apocalypse, and when you put enough cash in your toon you go out to compete. Profit :cool:.
Money hungry dogs they are... But atm only way to get R95 SA Cry's is from Aden Wheel, so your SA will cost you 50-100 us$ if you want to get it like that.
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Period 3,no clan bothers to make campaign and new 95 players are in trouble.In my opinion,the clans with most 93+ people should do the campaign,they are the ones that will benefit now from Altar.
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On NA servers,the lack of premium accounts with X2 xp/drops and the lack of the Korean coin system that rewards player with free coins for Xhours of gaming,makes all worst.
I agree that clans with 93+ people should do it. But all clans in the 93+ range got wars up vs DH/Evictis because DH/Evictis are idiots and can't win from SH/SL so they pick on low clans to farm their lost CRP back. Going into campaign knowing your wartags show up which are all lv99 with +15 weapons and +10 skills is 1) bad for your crp, 2) bad for clan spirit, 3) won't progress campaign. Besides that the time slots (13:30 and 20:30) for the campaign are totally off, and the SoS campaign is 1 of 5 random campaigns, so you even have to be lucky to have it started, which sadly... in past 10 days haven't been on Naia. A clanleader (or just few cp's) can't force it's people to be ready to do campaign every day at 20:30, while it just doesn't appear.
Also, if the lowbie clans open op SoS, the lv99 parties go inside SoS aswell and claim the rewards, making that argument of 'they dont need it so they dont do it' invalid.
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I agree that clans with 93+ people should do it. But all clans in the 93+ range got wars up vs DH/Evictis because DH/Evictis are idiots and can't win from SH/SL so they pick on low clans to farm their lost CRP back.
Money hungry dogs they are... But atm only way to get R95 SA Cry's is from Aden Wheel, so your SA will cost you 50-100 us$ if you want to get it like that.
I agree that clans with 93+ people should do it. But all clans in the 93+ range got wars up vs DH/Evictis because DH/Evictis are idiots and can't win from SH/SL so they pick on low clans to farm their lost CRP back. Besides that the time slots (13:30 and 20:30) for the campaign are totally off, and the SoS campaign is 1 of 5 random campaigns, so you even have to be lucky to have it started, which sadly... in past 10 days haven't been on Naia. A clanleader (or just few cp's) can't force it's people to be ready to do campaign every day at 20:30, while it just doesn't appear.
Sign the petition! Bring back SoS Altar like pre-Glory Days!
We DH dont chase random small clans with low toons cmoooonn!!!!!!!
We war the ones that helped our enemys in any way and have enough toons to war them ofc.If those clans wished not to mess with us,their clanleader should just speak with our leader and since we see they arent involved with our enemys,no problem,no war for them.Some clans did speak and avoided wars,in some clans someone killed DH member to open the war and then left clan laughing,this is not our responsibility.
From DH's part,i can assure you if small clans wanted to open the altar and their problem was some of them have war with us-since they dont help/xp with our wars-we would let them do the campaign without pvp.
Your second notice,the random hour of campaign seems the big trouble to me and i vote for becoming a fixed hour/day.
We DH dont chase random small clans with low toons cmoooonn!!!!!!!
We war the ones that helped our enemys in any way and have enough toons to war them ofc.If those clans wished not to mess with us,their clanleader should just speak with our leader and since we see they arent involved with our enemys,no problem,no war for them.Some clans did speak and avoided wars,in some clans someone killed DH member to open the war and then left clan laughing,this is not our responsibility.
From DH's part,i can assure you if small clans wanted to open the altar and their problem was some of them have war with us-since they dont help/xp with our wars-we would let them do the campaign without pvp.
Your second notice,the random hour of campaign seems the big trouble to me and i vote for becoming a fixed hour/day.
No-o-o, you never do! Clans with 90% population under 95 ain't clan with low toons.
You'll let them? How generous. Can they have your permission in writing? Just in case they need to show it to your brave ios pvp farmers :-D.
Let's keep the DH thing out of the topic. I just said what I've seen. Small clans (40-50, with low '90s being 90% of population) being torn apart by DH in past few weeks-months, now totally died out.
Anyway...
Your second notice,the random hour of campaign seems the big trouble to me and i vote for becoming a fixed hour/day.
I totally agree with it. A fixed time maybe 2-3 times a month would help all the servers. Now it's just to random, nobody can prepare for it and it hasn't been active on Naia in past 14 days.
We DH dont chase random small clans with low toons cmoooonn!!!!!!!
We war the ones that helped our enemys in any way and have enough toons to war them ofc.If those clans wished not to mess with us,their clanleader should just speak with our leader and since we see they arent involved with our enemys,no problem,no war for them.Some clans did speak and avoided wars,in some clans someone killed DH member to open the war and then left clan laughing,this is not our responsibility.
No-o-o, you never do! Clans with 90% population under 95 ain't clan with low toons.
You'll let them? How generous. Can they have your permission in writing? Just in case they need to show it to your brave ios pvp farmers :-D.
Since you are interested in keeping wars between equal forces, you should know that when awakened system came,the lvl balance between us and our enemys was completly turned upsite down since they xped 24/7 without bans, 90% of DH population was under 93 when our enemys SH+SH had 99 lvl partys and most of them were 97+ and they were coming to orbis to gang us.I havent seen you post about it all these months,do i?
If present clans with lower lvls didnt want to get involved into wars with higher clans,they should kick members that xp with our wars,attack us when we are flagged ect..We didnt war any clan without a reason.
And by saying we wouldnt come pvp some smaller clan with war with us without good reason that wants to participate into a server's effort to open Altar,i am not saying it as a ''superior clan/player'' but as a Lineage2 player that all these years wanted the game to go on and plays to have fun with other people,not have fun against them.
So you were bullied now you try to be bullies. Sounds about right. And you get me wrong, I don't care who you war and who you don't. Personally, but you're talking plain lies. I know at least 2 clans you warred without any provocation on their side, which as I said I don't care about, but contradicts with your statement that you're peace loving bunch of people who only fight your evil enemies and their helpers :p.
... Besides that the time slots (13:30 and 23:00) for the campaign are totally off, and the SoS campaign is 1 of 5 random campaigns, so you even have to be lucky to have it started, which sadly... in past 10 days haven't been on Naia. A clanleader (or just few cp's) can't force it's people to be ready to do campaign every day at 20:30, while it just doesn't appear.
Also, if the lowbie clans open op SoS, the lv99 parties go inside SoS aswell and claim the rewards, making that argument of 'they dont need it so they dont do it' invalid.
The time slots (http://www.lineage2.com/en/game/patch-notes/glory-days/quests/campaigns.php) for the Campaign (they are the same in Korea (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%8B%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED% 85%9C)) have been designed with the Korean time point system in mind, where the company only earns money when people actually play the game and go out of town. The intention here is to keep somebody who would otherwise have gone home at 22:00 (so that he is well rested for work next day) in the internet cafe until 23:00 to see whether maybe the Campaign gets triggered. The noon slot is targeting the lunchbreak warriors, which is even more problematic from the point of view of the national economy.
So if you want to be heard by the developers in Seoul, you should for example point out that at NCWest the game can be played by 13 year old children who must do their homework in the afternoon and go to bed early. Based on this you could suggest a compromise, with the Campaign getting triggered at fixed times from Monday to Thursday and randomly from Friday to Sunday. In order to make it not too easy, the Shilen's Altar instance could then remain open only for 9 hours instead of until the server goes down (as it is supposed to work) resp. for 12 hours (as it actually works). This would also halfways ensure that only those players get to enter the instance who actively contributed to the Campaign :p
Talking about contributing to the Campaign, I have recently been several times at the Forbidden Gateway to do the 3rd class change quest on subs and alts, and each time I saw quite a number of players there. At least on Naia this is by no means a dead hunting ground. Since we are not only a multi-timezone but also a multi-language territory, it could be possible that a good part of the players hunting at the Forbidden Gateway has not accepted the Campaign and therefore their kills don't count. Maybe the leadership in country-specific clans like Wrath (Poland), AngeliNeri (Italy) etc. could raise the campaign awareness among their non-English-speaking members and thus improve the chances for the instance to get opened :)
The time slots (http://www.lineage2.com/en/game/patch-notes/glory-days/quests/campaigns.php) for the Campaign (they are the same in Korea (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%8B%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED% 85%9C)) have been designed with the Korean time point system in mind, where the company only earns money when people actually play the game and go out of town. The intention here is to keep somebody who would otherwise have gone home at 22:00 (so that he is well rested for work next day) in the internet cafe until 23:00 to see whether maybe the Campaign gets triggered. The noon slot is targeting the lunchbreak warriors, which is even more problematic from the point of view of the national economy.
This is a crystal clear explanation about why the game mechanics change..as they do.
Talking about contributing to the Campaign, I have recently been several times at the Forbidden Gateway to do the 3rd class change quest on subs and alts, and each time I saw quite a number of players there. At least on Naia this is by no means a dead hunting ground. Since we are not only a multi-timezone but also a multi-language territory, it could be possible that a good part of the players hunting at the Forbidden Gateway has not accepted the Campaign and therefore their kills don't count. Maybe the leadership in country-specific clans like Wrath (Poland), AngeliNeri (Italy) etc. could raise the campaign awareness among their non-English-speaking members and thus improve the chances for the instance to get opened :)
Reason why the campaing should start automaticaly for every monster killed without acepting it or not, the moment it starts, every monster killed should add up to fil the number of required monsters. No matter what player is doing it.
This is a crystal clear explanation about why the game mechanics change..as they do.
But why can Innova change the campaign times to match their server population and NCWest can't?
Reason why the campaing should start automaticaly for every monster killed without acepting it or not, the moment it starts, every monster killed should add up to fil the number of required monsters. No matter what player is doing it.
Totally agree with this. Or; every day at 6.30AM the counter resets and if anywhere during the day the mark (which is like 45k) is reached the Altar opens. Altar stays open for 6hrs, and closes again at 6.30AM with the reset of the timer.
Since you are interested in keeping wars between equal forces, you should know that when awakened system came,the lvl balance between us and our enemys was completly turned upsite down since they xped 24/7 without bans, 90% of DH population was under 93 when our enemys SH+SH had 99 lvl partys and most of them were 97+ and they were coming to orbis to gang us.I havent seen you post about it all these months,do i?
If present clans with lower lvls didnt want to get involved into wars with higher clans,they should kick members that xp with our wars,attack us when we are flagged ect..We didnt war any clan without a reason.
And by saying we wouldnt come pvp some smaller clan with war with us without good reason that wants to participate into a server's effort to open Altar,i am not saying it as a ''superior clan/player'' but as a Lineage2 player that all these years wanted the game to go on and plays to have fun with other people,not have fun against them.
Cool story bro. Just another day I got party invite to H3 w/ party which most players were from a single clan. Not so long after DH member shown up.
He was very unsuccessful to kill us in PvP and after 4 or 5 deaths that small clan was warred. It took 4 or so deaths for 1 jacka** who tried looking for free pvp being 95+ in Harnak to get a war on clan. Tell me more how you don't war random clans.
As for SoS campaign yes it's an issue and yes NCsoft does have a power to change something about it but they choose not to... As Elmar pointed out NCsoft in Korea instead of changing drop tables or something in a shortage of an item, just adds the item to some event so market could get some of the items that it lacks. NCsoft could do that here as well, but as I said, they choose not to.
+1 for idea to add r95 cry to epic spezion.
atm i'm far from 95, but when i start look at prices for r95 gear... looks like it's better and cheaper OE apocalypse weapons than buy specter one with SA..
I've pointed out the problem with R95 crystals some time ago (when the instance started to work "as intended") and i laugh at some peoples change of attitude now!
+1 for idea to add r95 cry to epic spezion.
atm i'm far from 95, but when i start look at prices for r95 gear... looks like it's better and cheaper OE apocalypse weapons than buy specter one with SA..
-1 for adding r95 cry on epic spezion.Price of cry would go to 1 adena then.
Altar has to be opened,not only for crys but for the drops too.
-1 for adding r95 cry on epic spezion.Price of cry would go to 1 adena then.
Altar has to be opened,not only for crys but for the drops too.
They'll change the mark you can exchange in Epic Spezion in either the Echo patches or Glory Days. Can't remember where I've read it. Also, can't remember if that included a change to R95 stuff...
If the campaign had set days and times, it would get completed often. You practically need your parties setup before the campaign starts to complete.
The campaign has set times, sadly that timeslot is shared with 5 more campaigns. Which makes it impossible to prepare for it.
-1 for adding r95 cry on epic spezion.Price of cry would go to 1 adena then.
That would make more sense, since it's a 95+ instance with (currently) 90+ rewards...
-1 for adding r95 cry on epic spezion.Price of cry would go to 1 adena then...
Sorry, but what would be so bad if the price for R95 Soulcry's goes down to like 50kk?
Cheap SA Cry's are better then no SA Cry's
Weekday, people at work ( was this Wednesday ) and were finished 5-10 minutes earlier, with half the parties forming and joining 15 minutes after campaign started. Very few 99's people, most came on dual classes. Should be no problem for a few smaller pve clans to do it.
Weekday, people at work ( was this Wednesday ) and were finished 5-10 minutes earlier, with half the parties forming and joining 15 minutes after campaign started. Very few 99's people, most came on dual classes. Should be no problem for a few smaller pve clans to do it.
Sorry, but what would be so bad if the price for R95 Soulcry's goes down to like 50kk?
Cheap SA Cry's are better then no SA Cry's
Sure cheaps/free sa crys better than no sa,but Altar was much more than the source of r95 crys,its an instance for xp without wars,its a source of r95 armors/weapons and an opportunity for pvp partys to camp!
And once again Smittie comes in from the right with another pointless post.
The SS with campain cleared was from Innova, even the guys signature showed it.
2nd the biggest issue atm is still that in order to try and clear the campain, we need it to activate.
3rd no clan can manage 8 parties every day waiting for something that might happen once every month.
Smittie if u cant bring anything usefull, dont bring it.
Ok. How the **** does the campaign start ... 3weeks in a row Friday Saturday and Sunday i gather 4 parties and we stay from 19:00 GTM+2 rdy and grouped only doing small instances (zaken, teredor etc...) w8ing for the stupid campaign to start as it says 8:00PM (guess that would be 21:00 GMT +2 cos naia is GMT +1). Never saw a trace from "Destroy Shillien's Creatures" campaign. 1st week i thought we had to be in SoS and kill in order for the campaign to start but no. If there is anything special.. tell us, cos it's really frustrating to just sit and w8 for 5-6 hours w/o any trace of what you're looking for. On the upper field 2 tyrrs with provoke were gathering the 3 spots of mobs for less then 30 secs and everything is cleared for less then a minute, but no point if the campaign is broken... Is there any quest that should be done first or what ???
P.S
wolfheart (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=106971), we're talking here for retail campaigns. On Private server like Innova (cos in essence that's what it is) things are entirely different. My archer there is already 99 with 1/3 of the playtime of this one here.
wolfheart (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=106971), we're talking here for retail campaigns. On Private server like Innova (cos in essence that's what it is) things are entirely different. My archer there is already 99 with 1/3 of the playtime of this one here.
Innova got same files as us, and while they have some customs things they don't have major custom changes. I myself got the feeling that NCWest is a private server those days, seeing all this ebay / RMT. I guess it depends on how you define a private servers.
As far as I know Innova servers and NCWest servers share almost everything in common. Any detail I gave regarding dragons or Beleth was true on Innova. I don't see the point of the contrary being false.
Don't try to hide your incompetence between lazy arguments like "Innova is custom, here on retail it doesn't work". They did it better, gratz to them.
Innova has 1/10 of the population compared to Naia.. that's 1 thing.
And i guess the 2nd thing comes from the first...
On that server everyone is friend of everyone. No flames, clans killing rb-s together having clan war.. etc.
Innova has 1/10 of the population compared to Naia.. that's 1 thing.
And i guess the 2nd thing comes from the first...
On that server everyone is friend of everyone. No flames, clans killing rb-s together having clan war.. etc.
The nature of the server is totally different...
You think ? 1/10 th ? No wars, no flames ? You must be kidding me.
And for the brainless people :
You need to be 95+ to see the campaign.
EDIT : LethalArcher, i've been on NCWest since 2003-4, long before it was f2p. Don't give me explanations about private servers and their campaigns. We wanted altar open, we opened it. If you can't, go cry in the corner, because no one is gonna do it for you.
Ok. How the **** does the campaign start ... 3weeks in a row Friday Saturday and Sunday i gather 4 parties and we stay from 19:00 GTM+2 rdy and grouped only doing small instances (zaken, teredor etc...) w8ing for the stupid campaign to start as it says 8:00PM (guess that would be 21:00 GMT +2 cos naia is GMT +1) ...
On Naia this should at the moment be 23:00 Central European Time (Paris, Berlin etc.) :)
There is chance 1:6 that exactly this campaign will trigger. There are another 5 :)
And when you look at the daily quests from the Adventurer Guide, where it's mostly 2 out of 3, you will know what 1 out of 6 means. We have all had times when the daily quest of our choice was not coming up for a whole week or so :)
You think ? 1/10 th ? No wars, no flames ? You must be kidding me.
And for the brainless people :
You need to be 95+ to see the campaign.
EDIT : LethalArcher, i've been on NCWest since 2003-4, long before it was f2p. Don't give me explanations about private servers and their campaigns. We wanted altar open, we opened it. If you can't, go cry in the corner, because no one is gonna do it for you.
Look, may you flame with this the Naia or NCwest or something.
Today I logged in to the second half of the Campaign at afternoon. Through the shouts of eXEQtor and partymatchling system I got in 5 mins two parties and 3-4 people who came to help in solo.
In 18 minutes we did complete with about 15-20 people the 35-40% of the Campaign.
So as Smittie told Naia is lazy as hell, the top clans arent interested in the organizations and dont want help.
The lower ones lazy to organize it and come here cry to forum.
When I did start to organize it today, was so nice to see, that SilentHorrors and DragonHunters in same party killed the mobs together.
While I got PMs, that nice to see, that a Level 99 player try to help on the lower levels.
But really wasn't nice, that came there the SouthernLights and started attack those who were enemy to them...
Yes, easily. It can be a clan or ally event 20 people if know how to kill easily make it. 40 people much more easier.
Really, people cry here, that no open field PvP, PvE action for clans alliances etc.
Here this one make a CC take 3-4 groups and lets go hunt if need go to PvP too.
Before the X and ITT could pvp for Frintezza, Baium etc now time to PvP for Altar!
Really you can sell 1 SA r95 cry for 1b easily, about 3h altar enough to get a cry if i count well.
under 3h 1b + XP + another drops are good offer I guess.
Yes, easily. It can be a clan or ally event 20 people if know how to kill easily make it. 40 people much more easier.
There are some tricks beside kill kill kill kill ?
Really you can sell 1 SA r95 cry for 1b easily, about 3h altar enough to get a cry if i count well.
under 3h 1b + XP + another drops are good offer I guess.
But iirc it opens for anyone nope ? So prices would go down a bit more ? :P
The question is not how to kill but what to kill. The Shilen's Messenger they are working on in wolfheart's screenshot on the previous page gives 4 times as many contribution points for the Campaign as the little knobbly Creatures of Hell: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=248392&page=2#24
So you should make the Messengers your priority. Use a simple macro:
\target Messenger
\attack
Kill them first so that they respawn first :)
By the way, yesterday Enmity, with help from the rest of the server (overall 6~8 parties) opened the Shilen's Altar instance on Chronos. With a little effort the campaign is perfectly doable :)
The question is not how to kill but what to kill. The Shilen's Messenger they are working on in wolfheart's screenshot on the previous page gives 4 times as many contribution points for the Campaign as the little knobbly Creatures of Hell: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=248392&page=2#24
So you should make the Messengers your priority. Use a simple macro:
\target Messenger
\attack
Kill them first so that they respawn first :)
By the way, yesterday Enmity, with help from the rest of the server (overall 6~8 parties) opened the Shilen's Altar instance on Chronos. With a little effort the campaign is perfectly doable :)
Special thanks to cinna for the information!
Yesterday we had 56 ppl on CC + some who did xp or quest there.
We could do it, but got wrong campaign, today we try it again at afternoon and night too.
All Naia people be ready at 13:30 and 23:00 gmt+1 today for campaign.
Today I logged in to the second half of the Campaign at afternoon. Through the shouts of eXEQtor and partymatchling system I got in 5 mins two parties and 3-4 people who came to help in solo.
When I did start to organize it today, was so nice to see, that SilentHorrors and DragonHunters in same party killed the mobs together.
While I got PMs, that nice to see, that a Level 99 player try to help on the lower levels.
But really wasn't nice, that came there the SouthernLights and started attack those who were enemy to them...
See?
For all the people that didnt belive DragonHunters would help the campaign and for all who believed it is too difficult/complicated to gather people and open Altar! :)
Just EPIC R-E-S-P-E-C-T to Pufe for having the nerves to organise all the @#$% and completing the campaign. Respect also to the PTs who kept safe from pvp those, who were doing the campaign. And yes, it's doable, but it took more then a week to gather 7 not even full pts to participate (personaly for me this was the 1st time i actualy saw the stupid campaign start;maybe there really was some issue). It's not a bad idea for this way of opening the altar, but really the amount of mobs is just ridiculous. Maybe if cut in half it won't be such a ludacriss.