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Multiboxing will be limited to 3 client / PC THIS IS BULL------!
I've been playing since 2007 with 5 accounts, since a few months with 8.
Now I have to buy 2 more PC's to have my shops in game, my mentee for exp bonus, the char I play and it's buffpet...
Nice move NCSoft... maybe like 10 years to late!?!
Also... what kind of bull---- is it to announce this less then 12hrs before the update?!
This is a serious question : will you install any other software to limit to 3 boxes, or will you hardcode in the client (like Innova) the limitation to 3 clients / computer ?
In both case, it's a move which will mainly penalize the legit players. People breaking the EULA (RMT, Bots) already use custom softwares which allow them to 1) emulate GG and log several characters with almost no processor use and only 15-20 Megabytes of RAM (yes, I am a GoodBoy to say that :roll:)
Less boxes would have been a consistent move if you are able to enforce it since years. I doubt it would help now
This is a serious question : will you install any other software to limit to 3 boxes, or will you hardcode in the client (like Innova) the limitation to 3 clients / computer ?
In both case, it's a move which will mainly penalize the legit players. People breaking the EULA (RMT, Bots) already use custom softwares which allow them to 1) emulate GG and log several characters with almost no processor use and only 15-20 Megabytes of RAM (yes, I am a GoodBoy to say that :roll:)
Less boxes would have been a consistent move if you are able to enforce it since years. I doubt it would help now
Indeed Laby. The people they're trying to punish are able to get around all securities anyway. It won't help anything, it will only limit the legit players in playing their game.
3 acc per PC
SERIOUSLY? this is bs !!! ppl usually do daily with many boxes, and it is still hard to find a pt. Now, it is even harder
5-7 acc limits per PC would be more reasonable
It won't make sense either. To add a limitation onto a game that allowed multibox for so many years.
Don't worry they'll obviously offer the ability to go above 3 boxes in the Store. lolol. but really 3? I need a minimum of 4 to farm hats on fantasy isle.
Nc The first rule of being in the hole is stop digging. It isn't 'get a bigger shovel and more people to dig it'.
i dont like the change of 3 boxes.
i dont really multibox a lot, but i like my 7members box party for farm zaken, cos is kinda useless do it with randoms when drop is so low, or make freya with 1/2 friends, instead of 14randoms.
well, anyway nice move say it 14h before.
I've been playing since 2007 with 5 accounts, since a few months with 8.
Now I have to buy 2 more PC's to have my shops in game, my mentee for exp bonus, the char I play and it's buffpet...
Nice move NCSoft... maybe like 10 years to late!?!
Also... what kind of bull---- is it to announce this less then 12hrs before the update?!
Hilarious seeing all the "omg I played 234034 characters and now I cant" posts.
L2 is a team game. A Massive MULTIPLAYER Online RPG.
It's so good to finally see NC taking some kind of action against the wave of bots.
L2 is also the only game that relies on your character to be in game to sell stuff. The AH doesn't work and didn't brought the impact which was expected. So do grind and sell the items you don't need you basically need 2 chars online permanently. One for playing, one for selling while you're playing.
But basically, you need 4 accounts these days to do anything solo. Even AH has it limitations of 10 items. Nobody gonna buy a stack of i.e. 40 EWR, so you have to split them up, filling your AH.
Anyway... it's a chance they execute like 10 years to late and it won't harm the people they're trying to counter.
The Lindvior expansion will go live at approximately 11:00am PDT / 1:00pm CDT / 2:00pm EDT / 6:00pm UTC/GMT.
Can you clear what you mean by "3 clients for PC"? My brother play with me, from same IP , mean we can do 1+2 or we can do 3+3? some times my GF come to play at my house so we must do 1+1+1 or we can log 3+3+3? x_x
I am feeling sorry for all the puimiks bots in GF, i am feeling sorry for Figga parties in hellbound, i am feeling sorry for all the bots around... a truly condolence from Core server :( No mucho cilento to boto mf bro?
can you clear what you mean by "3 clients for pc"? My brother play with me, from same ip , mean we can do 1+2 or we can do 3+3? Some times my gf come to play at my house so we must do 1+1+1 or we can log 3+3+3? X_x
pc =/= ip
1 pc means 1 computer...
PC is not IP..
anw it's good decision.. now, when anyone who have better pc can run bottrain start QQ. ofc some peoples have 2-3 PC at home. but this will be harder.. even on 2 pc you log only 6 accounts :)
also this is sad for mer, i had a plan to make frint with 2 my friends, now we log 5-6 windows / each (2-3 toons in dd's party + 2-3 tp toons) even pepared some chars for updated frint... nvm we wil find solution, but it will be harder and more painful with drop share :)
Once again NCSoft proving they don't have a clue how the programs they *ahem* allow if you buy enough NCoin work by issuing yet another failed attempt to trick the community into believing they actually give a flying **** about bots. Bravo.
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o Multiboxing will be limited to 3 client / PC.<O:p</O:p
GZ! Once more a great idea :mad:
THIS IS BULL------!
I've been playing since 2007 with 5 accounts, since a few months with Now I have to buy 2 more PC's to have my shops in game,
Shops? What shops? Use the auctionhouse ...
And for sure NCsoft has some more good ideas. Maybe just increase the fees for auctionhouse? Or players need a licence to sell/buy stuff? Where to get it from? Ofc in L2 store ...:rolleyes:
Hang on I have another brilliant idea for you guys.
Charge NCoin to list an item in the auction house. That will for sure stop the bots from clogging it up with all their illegally obtained items and once and for all put an end to their reign on the L2 NA servers!
GM read this----->3 account / IP; not for PC, ppl is botting can use 2 PC's
For me you can ban all ppl dont like that because they are botting.
There isnt any need to have 5/6 pj's online if you dont bot, so ban ban ban ban ban ban ban :)))))))))))
This just shows how clueless NCWest are about what's going on ingame.
They never understood the cause of L2 problems, instead, they just implemented random restrictions in hope it works but ended up hurting legit players.
For example, when they put a chat restriction based on level. Guess what, it just hurt legit people playing subs or alts for shots. It never stopped the spam. NCWest has no clue on how those spammers operate and what tools they use.
What about Game Guard? It just hurt legit programs while botters have a "better experience" without GG. I can't use my computer for work when GG is active, I can't debug applications in Visual Studio, I can't use media players to watch movies or listen to music, but botters are still there botting.
Now, about multibox restriction, guess what, unlegits will have a bypass 2 or 3 days after patch. Again legits will get hurt with this decision, just because NCWest have no idea on how legits and unlegits play this game, on how those restrictions affect legits, on how unlegits can bypass it. They simply don't understand the problem they are trying to address.
I usually load 4 to 6 boxes to play this game. The main toon, the buffer, the mentee, the clan leader buff, the shop in town, the low level alt to farm raids, the spy camera for pvp/sieges, the summoner in position to do a fast summon, the boxes we need to log to fill unrealistic minimum number of players required on certain raids, etc.
This game requires multiboxing, it's a must for competitive players. You can correlate the people that doesn't do multibox with their accomplishments in game. People that goes against multibox are usually those who are very far from end game content. They prefer to believe multiboxing = botting instead of realizing how they can use game mechanics to their favor. They are limited, they don't want to improve, they just want to call cheater all the players that are better than them.
bots don't use legit client to connect to the game servers so ya gf..
Yes they do, the vast majority of botters are running ranger, and that logs in with normal client. Even net users are mainly using the in game client for the most part. Most of the hard core farmers I know won't touch the out of game client stuff these days.
Can you clear what you mean by "3 clients for PC"? My brother play with me, from same IP , mean we can do 1+2 or we can do 3+3? some times my GF come to play at my house so we must do 1+1+1 or we can log 3+3+3? x_x
It means just what it says, 3 per PC. It didn't say IP it said PC, so it's based off the processes running on that particular pc (i.e., client side restriction).
It means just what it says, 3 per PC. It didn't say IP it said PC, so it's based off the processes running on that particular pc (i.e., client side restriction).
if its a client side restriction, then NCWest is way dumber than I thought
Also, 3 isn't minimum won't affect bots and trains, only hurt legit people.
Maybe the goal is to make more people quit so they can shut down the servers?
well.. it affects. now on 1 pc you can easy launch 2 small trains or 1 big. as for me np is run 3x3 trains. and now you can chose. bot and farm adena or play :)
It's never too late.
Some are crying because they won't keep the advantage they had.
People are you serious?
Also the legit 352345 box using player is active with 1 char so he/she is socially dead with the 35234 res boxes. Those 35234 boxes are "extra weight".
Look at all those sad people complain because they won't be able to log their 4/7/14/21 boxes to play the game on their own. Last time I checked this is an MMORPG, it is meant to be played with other people. And it is even more sad that they are the same people that complain about lag and heavy servers when they log 1 full party themselves, smh.
I've been playing since 2007 with 5 accounts, since a few months with 8.
Now I have to buy 2 more PC's to have my shops in game, my mentee for exp bonus, the char I play and it's buffpet...
I play 4 chars in 4 pc at same time max... and it is not easy. I am against the multibox in 1 pc.
But I have to be Tank, iss and healer in the same spicula or Tank / ISS or ISS / Healer in the same Instina,K95 or GF because we did not find more people at night, and it is the only way to complete this instances.
While this won't solve maximally the bot problem, but at least a step what can help a bit.
Many people say why do the NCwest make it just now, I think better later than never.
Also if the NCwest thinks it will help them later to clean easier the server from the bots or make it lag less lets do.
I also say 3 boxes is quite enough to Lineage 2 for those too, who farm in solo.
But there is still something.
There are legit players also who login with 4 or more boxes, what I think it is useless.
Every character what logs in to the server just additional work to the server, to your internet connection and to your PC and to another players too.
So those legits too who login with 4 or more chars to a server do help to summon the lag issues not only the bots.
so total my viewpoint is, that this step helps to decrease the lag and will hold up a part of botters, but the real big botters will able to continue their illegal farmer actions, so maybe the GMs will have some more time to reveal and later ban some big cheater too.
I wish lets this system complete those plans what the NCwest did plan to achieve with it.
I usually load 4 to 6 boxes to play this game. The main toon, the buffer, the mentee, the clan leader buff, the shop in town, the low level alt to farm raids, the spy camera for pvp/sieges, the summoner in position to do a fast summon, the boxes we need to log to fill unrealistic minimum number of players required on certain raids, etc.
This game requires multiboxing, it's a must for competitive players. You can correlate the people that doesn't do multibox with their accomplishments in game. People that goes against multibox are usually those who are very far from end game content. They prefer to believe multiboxing = botting instead of realizing how they can use game mechanics to their favor. They are limited, they don't want to improve, they just want to call cheater all the players that are better than them.
just quoted for facility to text on, but who on the f ck ing earth of mmo will need more than 3 acc if he's playing "all the legit way"? afaik, 3 accounts are enough to keep you going: 1 for main, 1 for buffpet, 1 for self mentee buff (totally optional, since no many ppl bothers creating/loggin one). Keep in mind that you only really needs to set up all 3 if you go for solo, since if you'r in a party for dailies/open xp, you can switch that buffpet window for something else (a spy cam, a strategic summoner, a sub for raid or w/e).
Just one final word: if you need to set up more than those 3 accounts at same time to keep your progress going while playing a MMO (aka MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE) game, you are just doing it wrong. period.
irrc, L2 in korean yards is always willing to push their players into social interaction bettween themselves, but I guess it lost all purpose in these west sides.
haha, it remembered me this pic (funny comic, indeed, worthy some laughs for who never did read it):
wow alot of you ppl are morons, limiting clients does nto effect bot's bots do not use the client to play the game they use a seprate program thats runs independetly of the client. there for they ar enot limited DUH!
anyways this game is dead dieing done good bye l2 yall have fun arguing over the mattter bottom line ncwest is ******ed and has killed the game gl to all
irrc, L2 in korean yards is always willing to push their players into social interaction bettween themselves, but I guess it lost all purpose in these west sides.
Korea/eu/china/jp actively interact with their player base as well. Ncwest only interacts when they need a filler event to promote their NStore crap.
As many people said limiting clients only hurts the legit players, which seems to be all NCWest cares about doing.
just quoted for facility to text on, but who on the f ck ing earth of mmo will need more than 3 acc if he's playing "all the legit way"? afaik, 3 accounts are enough to keep you going: 1 for main, 1 for buffpet, 1 for self mentee buff (totally optional, as I predicted, people far away from end game content... did u know its completely possible to do istina with 1 party only? just need a 2nd party with boxes...
have u ever played a proper castle siege on an organized clan? leaders must have eyes on other castles, players must position mentees on strategic positions... and there are 9 castles and 3 mentees per player
there are an infinity of reasons to load more than 3 boxes, I can stay all night talking about it... just because u dont know those reasons doesnt mean they dont exist... too bad ur mind is limiting you to the main/buffer/mentee scenario.
Keep in mind that you only really needs to set up all 3 if you go for solo setup what? what r u talking about? and whos talking about solo?
Just one final word: if you need to set up more than those 3 accounts at same time to keep your progress going while playing a MMO (aka MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE) game, you are just doing it wrong. period.
irrc, L2 in korean yards is always willing to push their players into social interaction bettween themselves, but I guess it lost all purpose in these west sides.
if u think everybody plays this game to role play, u're the one wrong... there are competitive players too, who usually dont care about the social aspect of L2
as I predicted, people far away from end game content... did u know its completely possible to do istina with 1 party only? just need a 2nd party with boxes...
have u ever played a proper castle siege on an organized clan? leaders must have eyes on other castles, players must position mentees on strategic positions... and there are 9 castles and 3 mentees per player
there are an infinity of reasons to load more than 3 boxes, I can stay all night talking about it... just because u dont know those reasons doesnt mean they dont exist... too bad ur mind is limiting you to the main/buffer/mentee scenario.
setup what? what r u talking about? and whos talking about solo?
if u think everybody plays this game to role play, u're the one wrong... there are competitive players too, who usually dont care about the social aspect of L2
The short answer... everytime u use the "must" word in your post, change it for "can". Now NCSoft says to you... "now you can't"
The thing about the 3 clients, best news in years even greater than the lindvior update. What is the fat geek botter going to do with hes full party of botted characters now. Awsomeeeee
i dont like the change of 3 boxes.
i dont really multibox a lot, but i like my 7members box party for farm zaken, cos is kinda useless do it with randoms when drop is so low, or make freya with 1/2 friends, instead of 14randoms.
well, anyway nice move say it 14h before.
I have personally logged I think it was 8 or 9 characters to port into freya before.
I am feeling sorry for all the puimiks bots in GF, i am feeling sorry for Figga parties in hellbound, i am feeling sorry for all the bots around... a truly condolence from Core server :( No mucho cilento to boto mf bro?
This will not affect bots since they play on modded clients or even without clients.
GM read this----->3 account / IP; not for PC, ppl is botting can use 2 PC's
For me you can ban all ppl dont like that because they are botting.
There isnt any need to have 5/6 pj's online if you dont bot, so ban ban ban ban ban ban ban :)))))))))))
Take your ignorance elsewhere. I've logged 4 characters to port into 1 party istina before and then you add in a mentee toon and some shop toons...
This game requires multiboxing, it's a must for competitive players. You can correlate the people that doesn't do multibox with their accomplishments in game. People that goes against multibox are usually those who are very far from end game content. They prefer to believe multiboxing = botting instead of realizing how they can use game mechanics to their favor. They are limited, they don't want to improve, they just want to call cheater all the players that are better than them.
Well said. If you are better than someone else then obviously you are a bot. If you do something more efficient than someone else then you are a bot. You log in lots of alts well you must be a bot. You have good gear so you must be an RMTer. You are level 99? Obvious bot..
Ok how is that not going to stop the farmers? The very big ones yes, they may not experience much of difficulties, but this change will at least limit their bot trains. If they were able to log a bot train on every computer they had, now that change will at least decrease the number of their trans, which means less bots and less income for them.
The regular farmer that had a bot train logged from 1 pc will now be able to log in only 3 toons which will limith his income and which means less bots too.
I have a RL friend farmer that has a train and 2 pcs. Now at least when he plays he will not be able to bot, which may actually stop him from running any trains at all.
I run maximum 3 clients and it is rarelly to have them all online. Usually it is my main and my iss. This is a MMORPG which means social interaction. If you want to single play - change the game.
And oh God I love the change for the sake of bored 99ers having to gank less cause they have less spies now.
TL DR Wonderful change. Keep trying to fight ranger NCsoft.
Mmmm... I dont see any real change with the 3 clients / Pc
Most of the ppl with a basic informatics knowledge will run virtual machines to get an extra environment to log more than 3 clients this is not arcane wisdom ppl do this since Diablo 2... so dont be lazy and google it =/
I only play here cos of my friends in bartz and love the game just with DB
Its a game and if you have to log a whole party to be satisfied i smell a forever alone dude
If it actually worked to kill off the bot population then even I would be all for it and I love my boxes/shops/etc but this will not change things for bots...
Mmmm... I dont see any real change with the 3 clients / Pc
Most of the ppl with a basic informatics knowledge will run virtual machines to get an extra environment to log more than 3 clients this is not arcane wisdom ppl do this since Diablo 2... so dont be lazy and google it =/
I only play here cos of my friends in bartz and love the game just with DB
Its a game and if you have to log a whole party to be satisfied i smell a forever alone dude
lol some people might actually take that as a compliment. I have on occasion logged in a full party just to have them leech exp from my main killing mobs without any assistance from the characters I have logged in.
then rename l2.bin to something else
That's not the way these things work, Lol. I doubt changing the filename will matter, since it's the main executable. The process can still be checked and enumerated to see how many copies are loaded.
If most of the population didn't suck at playing their toons or their attitudes werent terrible, I wouldnt mind the 3 clients per pc. I'd much rather box my own parties than have to put up with....
1. healers not doing lumi or tiggering cc
2. archers and nukers thinking they are close ranged DDs and decide to stand right next to an aoe mob/raid
3. Iss that keeps forgetting to keep sonatas or DM up
4. Tanks not always pulling hate
and so on.
Not to mention, im too impatient to sit in town for 30 min to find a group to do anything :D
If most of the population didn't suck at playing their toons or their attitudes werent terrible, I wouldnt mind the 3 clients per pc. I'd much rather box my own parties than have to put up with....
1. healers not doing lumi or tiggering cc
2. archers and nukers thinking they are close ranged DDs and decide to stand right next to an aoe mob/raid
3. Iss that keeps forgetting to keep sonatas or DM up
4. Tanks not always pulling hate
and so on.
Not to mention, im too impatient to sit in town for 30 min to find a group to do anything :D
Sadly I could probably box an entire 7 man party and play each character as efficiently with timed in game macros swapping between screens constantly than many of the people that I've seen in parties.
Was either holyox or colorado that posted a video a few months back of a guy on the russian servers boxing like 6 toons in Orbis... He was really efficient too and clicked a lot faster than I do.
That's not the way these things work, Lol. I doubt changing the filename will matter, since it's the main executable. The process can still be checked and enumerated to see how many copies are loaded.
i said that in response to a guy who suggested as an "easy" way to control processes
ofc, they can use mutexes, but still exploitable... as i said before, if they're implementing this on client side, it can be easily bypassed...
for bots, life will go on like nothing happened, just like those level restrictions failed to stop chat spam
wtf manny people cry about having 2-3 shops at least in town
on shilen where i play at this moment are max 100 shops.
reading here u have the impression that should be thousands of shops :))
**** is crystal clear who cries , cries cause botting will be harder and prolly will need some extra software for bypassing the restriction.
it makes me sick seeing lots of people crying about shops, mentee, etc
wtf manny people cry about having 2-3 shops at least in town
on shilen where i play at this moment are max 100 shops.
reading here u have the impression that should be thousands of shops :))
**** is crystal clear who cries , cries cause botting will be harder and prolly will need some extra software for bypassing the restriction.
it makes me sick seeing lots of people crying about shops, mentee, etc
Dead servers don't count. So your observation is invalid by default.
Hey did you just watch the CNN? There was a headline: DRAMA in the L2 forums!!
I like the idea - please just dont add the payable option please. Multiboxing aboxe 2 should be restricted :D im so happy :) good move NC.
I have further question and suggesion:
Can i go red if i will use marks at bot from summon in any scenario? :)
Un pking service. IF YOU kill bot and gain pk - go to support and of they were prooven bot, remove pk. All work on players, you gms are not active anyway, give power to players!
hey hey good with 3 box/pc.
But botter not login client, idk how can do that. But it's come true. this is perfect for me.
No bot, no leech of bot. fresh L2.
Sr my eng is bad :)
dunno if accurate but if it is the situation is not much different on alive servers...
not thousands of shops how u could imagine reading all whining here
Oh guys ... every single person from this forum and from this game always QQ about bots, about ppl using trilion acc (do you remember time, when Naia was nonstop heavy and ppl can't log in game?). But tbh this isnt bot situation solution. People can easy buy new PC and run their bot again ;)
Oh guys ... every single person from this forum and from this game always QQ about bots, about ppl using trilion acc (do you remember time, when Naia was nonstop heavy and ppl can't log in game?). But tbh this isnt bot situation solution. People can easy buy new PC and run their bot again ;)
Yes people in this economical depression have the money to buy a new pc just for the sake of a virtual game.
dualboxing is not only for "i will get all drop i dont care about all others" for exemple now you will have more exp in pt with 7 ppl , and on 30% i finish kartia grup in 6 ppl cuz someone have dc and dont log back, can it happend to you when you boxing all pt? ofc you can got dc to, but you will not have kartia in instances then so you can simply reenter it, w/o dualboxing, me and 5 more ppl are mad cuz get less exp from it and 1 who dc is mad cuz got 0 exp from it...
its nice to cry everytime "but its mmo you cant only boxing" but truth is in most situations boxing is better than play with ppl, cuz someone smoking and need afk every few minutes, someone need to go wc every 10min, when you boxing all pt you dont care about it, you need 10min pausa? np, your boxes can easy w8 and they will dont need go afk when you dont want it...
personaly i dont need 75 accs loged in nonstop like one "lets dont name him, xxpoyebanyxx , one **** from shilen server", but this 3 is to low, 5-7 will be much better
dualboxing is not only for "i will get all drop i dont care about all others" for exemple now you will have more exp in pt with 7 ppl , and on 30% i finish kartia grup in 6 ppl cuz someone have dc and dont log back, can it happend to you when you boxing all pt? ofc you can got dc to, but you will not have kartia in instances then so you can simply reenter it, w/o dualboxing, me and 5 more ppl are mad cuz get less exp from it and 1 who dc is mad cuz got 0 exp from it...
its nice to cry everytime "but its mmo you cant only boxing" but truth is in most situations boxing is better than play with ppl, cuz someone smoking and need afk every few minutes, someone need to go wc every 10min, when you boxing all pt you dont care about it, you need 10min pausa? np, your boxes can easy w8 and they will dont need go afk when you dont want it...
personaly i dont need 75 accs loged in nonstop like one "lets dont name him, xxpoyebanyxx , one **** from shilen server", but this 3 is to low, 5-7 will be much better
You said it yourself, need 1 character more, so the restriction to 3 clients/pc is still way more than many deserve.
I love to see how many MOM FAKERS only complain on the client restrictions, for all of you:
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA fak all of you multibox botters!!!!!!!
IMO I still think that it should be restricted to 1 or maybe 2 per client.
That restriction for f*king botters not just made my day, made my week!
First observation, you are an idiot. Secondly, if this made your week you seriously need to re consider your life choices. Third, i dont think you get it man. Botters dont use the regular client to log in, they bypass GG... do some research. This dosent effect cheaters in the slightest. Actually i think it gives them an even bigger advantage.
dualboxing is not only for "i will get all drop i dont care about all others" for exemple now you will have more exp in pt with 7 ppl , and on 30% i finish kartia grup in 6 ppl cuz someone have dc and dont log back, can it happend to you when you boxing all pt? ofc you can got dc to, but you will not have kartia in instances then so you can simply reenter it, w/o dualboxing, me and 5 more ppl are mad cuz get less exp from it and 1 who dc is mad cuz got 0 exp from it...
Exactly. It's not just wanting drops, it's also stability in party. Able to do your stuff in less time. And what some people tend to forget; L2 is a MMO based on the principle of grind and farm. Waiting is wasting time on getting exp and drops.
And everybody that says AH is all you need. Go enjoy your half full warehouses. My warehouses are stuffed to the max after 7 years and using AH to sell stuff is 1) expensive, 2) not effective, 3) doesn't help you build a good name on the server. Good named, good reputation traders make even more money just because of their effort in game.
If there should be any limit on clients it should be minimal 5 allowed per PC. Still I think it's totally ******ed to do a client limitation on a game that is online for almost 10 years and always has been advertised as allowed to multi box.
All the old subscribers that have more bought more clients from NCSoft, will they be reimbursed somehow..? I have bought 4 boxes back than, but I know of ppl who had full 9-char parties back then...
Nice changes.
Waiting for blue dragon tomorrow.
Finally laby tatics of 14 clients to do everything solo will be over.
I had to plan 21 characters, which i can't anymore :(
First observation, you are an idiot. Secondly, if this made your week you seriously need to re consider your life choices. Third, i dont think you get it man. Botters dont use the regular client to log in, they bypass GG... do some research. This dosent effect cheaters in the slightest. Actually i think it gives them an even bigger advantage.
I know this dont apply to professional botters (aka adena sellers) but apply to a bunch of fakers I hate that inv you to a kartia or fortuna party and fail cus they get DC and most of the party DC with them because all those were client running bots.
We know there are 2 kinds of botters, those that dont use client ergo this dont fak them, but those are the few, the more are those that all the time carry another toons with them to parties or solo, just to get faster adena, better chance of drops and XP and all that and many times not just 2 toons, but several one assisting or doing some sort of automatic (bot) activity. thats why I say 3 clients are too much, maybe 2 tops. and believe me THIS faks enough retars off for me to be happy. or didnt you read the bunch of QQ about that on the thread?
If you want to play multiple characters at the sametime you should play Baldur's Gate.
And if you think that "play competive" means using a box to watch pvp area/castle/using your mentee as a teleport spot, you really don't know the meaning of that word.
You can go 100011011010101 your 1010111 self.
Is that encrypted code on ASCII? I am bored to do the maths..
I like very much the idea to 3 boxes/pc becouse i was sick to see in every town 1 guy with 100000 boxes to farm anything he can.
I dont believe this will hurt the legit player..If some off them use like 10 boxes whats the meaning of the game then...
Server performance will go UP with less legit boxes afk and thats +1.
I see NC starting punishing the "1 man army" people first and RMT spamm.Maybe in Episodeion will implement a change for the bot problem ;)
Please don't cry about more boxes - even crappy 5 year old laptop is able to run shop, afk mentee and camera.
If you have new PC, run virtual machine and you can run as many as wish. Only one limit is RAM and CPU.
If someone is thinking fix would vanish bot trains, I don't think.
As many people notice bots are not using normal client, and it looks limitation is on client :(
First 1-2 days, as after any major update, will be bot-free as they wait software update but then we will see again running ... boxes.
There is just tiny hope that NC has finally implemented something during update that would let track full bot parties and ban them instantly :confused:
you can launch as many as you want, but you can log only 3.
in priv servers where they implanted this protection also you can launch as many clients as you want, but only 2 or 3 can login. all others just stuck after id/pass [enter] and thats all :)
you can launch as many as you want, but you can log only 3.
in priv servers where they implanted this protection also you can launch as many clients as you want, but only 2 or 3 can login. all others just stuck after id/pass [enter] and thats all :)
So they're copieing L2J servers? Then why not bring the offline shop to official server? Log shop, set items, log off. Server logs your shop, if you sell anything between logoff and logon server handles the transaction and your money. This 3 client limit is stupid!
WTF? Now I MUST use that pando crap-ware to install the update? Ealier on I didn't have to when I reinstalled L2... Oh well... install, update & remove then...
WTF? Now I MUST use that pando crap-ware to install the update? Ealier on I didn't have to when I reinstalled L2... Oh well... install, update & remove then...
Refuse, Right click on Lineage 2, disable again PMB, it will tell you "error during last operation", click on "Play Now and watch the patch
Downloaded the 670 MB. Now downloading 5306 MB.
Seems like your client got some errors and is now doing a full repair :D
WTF? Now I MUST use that pando crap-ware to install the update? Ealier on I didn't have to when I reinstalled L2... Oh well... install, update & remove then...
Refuse, Right click on Lineage 2, disable again PMB, it will tell you "error during last operation", click on "Play Now and watch the patch
Not working. It looks like I have to use crap-ware to get the patch anyway :(
Refuse, Right click on Lineage 2, disable again PMB, it will tell you "error during last operation", click on "Play Now and watch the patch
Seems like your client got some errors and is now doing a full repair :D
I guess so :( I saw one error pop up on a dwarf file, but it downloaded and seemed to install correctly. Anyways, server isn't up for 5 more hours, it will be done by then :)
its a other solution to get rid off PMB if you cant disable it from the luncher itself
Thanks! After I canceled the PMB and tried to reinstall it, it utterly failed. Now I'm downloading at an even higher speed than PMB gave me (max vs 25%)
i guess this thread is to see who are the legit posers. all the QQing just shows who's the botters. come on, i can understand 2 boxing, 1 dd and the other a buffer. but why would you need a whole party boxed? let alone 3 boxes? are you guys really playing the game and alt+tabbing or do you have your boxes "automatically" follow and hit? you guys make me laugh with your QQing. "i can't play the game anymore because i can't log in a whole party".....this isn't a solo game, this is a multiplayer game. so kudos to NC west in finally implementing something to make it hard for these botters
i guess this thread is to see who are the legit posers. all the QQing just shows who's the botters. come on, i can understand 2 boxing, 1 dd and the other a buffer. but why would you need a whole party boxed? let alone 3 boxes? are you guys really playing the game and alt+tabbing or do you have your boxes "automatically" follow and hit? you guys make me laugh with your QQing. "i can't play the game anymore because i can't log in a whole party".....this isn't a solo game, this is a multiplayer game. so kudos to NC west in finally implementing something to make it hard for these botters
i guess this thread is to see who are the legit posers. all the QQing just shows who's the botters. come on, i can understand 2 boxing, 1 dd and the other a buffer. but why would you need a whole party boxed? let alone 3 boxes? are you guys really playing the game and alt+tabbing or do you have your boxes "automatically" follow and hit? you guys make me laugh with your QQing. "i can't play the game anymore because i can't log in a whole party".....this isn't a solo game, this is a multiplayer game. so kudos to NC west in finally implementing something to make it hard for these botters
It's been stated multiple times why this is a joke ad will only hurt legit players. Either learn to read or enjoy looking like a fool on a public forum like the rest of the people posting poorly thought out junk.
Well I say nice that its max 3 clients because the players here want to do all the instances solo just because of drop... so what guys if you do instances and raids with randoms and don't get drop? so what ? maybe next time ... this is how it works or get a clan ... stores? c'mon really? most of the time u will neeed MAIN+ISS+Mentee(u can make it store so 2in1)... and for NcWest they will for sure put something in NcStore to run more clients and anyways if people using botting programs you think they won't find the way to run more clients ? of course they will...
Personally I'm happy to see the 3 box limit to PC. If it works it will help with the overall lag and bots. Plus I LOVE seeing everyone cry on here about it! LOLOL!
what some people dont comprehend is the ones that do box more than 3 toons( not for mentees or sell shops) we solo or box our own parties not because of the drops but because half of the population on the server cant even play their own toons properly. I miss out on fortuna xp because people refuse to learn to play their class properly and think they are the most awesome thing since sliced bread. Not to mention the random toon u get into your party for fortuna and then decides to afk the whole thing.
I'm sure a lot of people who are like me that box....
iss
summoner
healer
tank
dagger or tyrr...in order to level in harnaks, orbis or gog. I'll say it again, id rather not have tards in party and get my stuff killed. Nor would i like to wait for 30 min to make an xp party to have one person 10 minutes into xping saying they have to go and then have to wait for a replacement.
Don't think we are anti social either, because im in a clan and i invite whoever is on to come join since im in a position to help them out.
So this whole thing thinking that people are QQing because of their bot trains and you don't need more than 3 is just lol to me.
what some people dont comprehend is the ones that do box more than 3 toons( not for mentees or sell shops) we solo or box our own parties not because of the drops but because half of the population on the server cant even play their own toons properly. I miss out on fortuna xp because people refuse to learn to play their class properly and think they are the most awesome thing since sliced bread. Not to mention the random toon u get into your party for fortuna and then decides to afk the whole thing.
I'm sure a lot of people who are like me that box....
iss
summoner
healer
tank
dagger or tyrr...in order to level in harnaks, orbis or gog. I'll say it again, id rather not have tards in party and get my stuff killed. Nor would i like to wait for 30 min to make an xp party to have one person 10 minutes into xping saying they have to go and then have to wait for a replacement.
Don't think we are anti social either, because im in a clan and i invite whoever is on to come join since im in a position to help them out.
So this whole thing thinking that people are QQing because of their bot trains and you don't need more than 3 is just lol to me.
You make several valid points, and believe me, as a person who has also had more than his share of bad parties I understand how you feel. But I still think if limiting accounts improves overall game performance and forces people to engage in the greater community, then the Devs are doing the right thing by restricting to 3 accounts. Having a gaming population made up primarily of people who only solo with parties comprised of 5-6 of their own characters is not good for any game.
i guess this thread is to see who are the legit posers. all the QQing just shows who's the botters. come on, i can understand 2 boxing, 1 dd and the other a buffer. but why would you need a whole party boxed? let alone 3 boxes? are you guys really playing the game and alt+tabbing or do you have your boxes "automatically" follow and hit? you guys make me laugh with your QQing. "i can't play the game anymore because i can't log in a whole party".....this isn't a solo game, this is a multiplayer game. so kudos to NC west in finally implementing something to make it hard for these botters
Another dumb post from you. If you want to excell ingame it actually helps soloing inatances but anyways I doubt anyone wants to play a full party if i log that many i keep them in one spot and pull mobs near them to pole them down. Also with in game macros it is very easy to box several chars.. 1 on second pc just occasionally hit a button on the nostromo (f keys). On my laptop i have a cheap foot pedal for hitting f1 for my macro. On my main pc i mark mobs with star on my main dd class then swap to the tank and hit the aggro macro that lasts about a minute which means i can ignore that client for the rest of the pull swap to the healer every 20 or so seconds to reactivated that macro.. it's extremely easy to 5 box though anything over that and it's just too much.
Guys why you dont read announcements correctly? They have posted that only at 6h00 pm GMT ou would have servers up..... go the first post and check your time zone.
You make several valid points, and believe me, as a person who has also had more than his share of bad parties I understand how you feel. But I still think if limiting accounts improves overall game performance and forces people to engage in the greater community, then the Devs are doing the right thing by restricting to 3 accounts. Having a gaming population made up primarily of people who only solo with parties comprised of 5-6 of their own characters is not good for any game.
oh ya dont get me wrong, i like partying with people. The people in my clan who know what to do in xp and raids. if im boxing 5 toons and have 2 toons from a clannie in party, and someone else logs in, ill be glad to drop one of my boxes for a live person. I just dont believe they should put a limit on how many clients people can have on one ip or pc. Every one should choose whether they box or not. Dont think it harms the game either if someone dual boxes or not. they xp, get drops, sell drops, someone buys the drop.
From what ive learned in the past posts is that the ones who made posts complaining about people dualboxing are the ones who cant get parties because they suck :D
Guess we will just see how this works out and how many people end up quitting and cashing out
Because you are one of the most popular player on the forum and in good contact with GM :P
No its true, you almost manage L2rochand, without you L2rochand forum should be pretty death and only stupidity of kid that say imaginary thing. and you alway make this forum more life,its rare that i see you make stupid post and your post are more bright then many player here.
so ofc this comic should be less fun without our mascot :)
ok say slurp like your toon on the comic,it will be funny XD
PS : i don't forget Elmar that make a good job on rochand too :)
Ironic, I stop multiboxing with GoD and now they limit it to 3 boxes per computer...
I wonder if its done to promote clans to grow bigger, or merging into one another, especially on the low population servers.
As for randoms being bad at their classes, thats true most of the time, but try joining bigger clans/recruiting more ppl to your clans and teach them what they need to do, some of them might be new to game etc.
I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out in game. But I know it will probably hurt a few players too.
Juji, has a reason been stated as to why this is being implemented, or is this something Korea just "granted" us out of the goodness of their hearts?
I don't buy into having to have multiple toons logged on in order to level a main. imo, three accounts per IP or computer is enough for anyone.
Say that to someone that has been playing for 6,5 years and his whole market trading exists on having 3 shops in town while playing 1 main character. You have any clue how expensive it is to expand a dworfs private shop to hold 7 items instead of 4? Do you understand how expensive Auction House is if you have constantly 3 shops fully loaded in Aden to keep the business going, sell the loot gathered from playing with 6 other people?
For some people having boxes, multiply accounts, is how they keep their game interesting and challenging. Anyone can use Party Matching to find a party for Kartia. If you want a challenge do Kartia with 7 of your own characters and alt-tab your way through it pressing the macro's. It's not just being selfish, it's control of your progress. Some people don't have time to spend 6 hours a day in game, let alone spend 3 hours waiting to find the parties for the hunting spots / instances they're missing. I gotta agree with some recent replies on people in Kartia and Fortuna having no clue what they should be doing. Sometimes you really wish you would've taken a box just to fill the spot and get in. It's not the players to blame, it's also the stupid fast leveling many people do thanks to raids and the mentoring system. I've been saying that ever since they introduced the mentor system.
I still think the limitation is the stupidest thing they've done so far and will hurt the community way more then it should be. Train runners will find a way around the limitations in no time. I bet before the end of the months they've cracked it and are happily running 30 clients on one PC again. Guess who's not able to do so? The legit players that use multiply accounts to secure income and their game play. Because they can't risk their hard leveled char and hard gathered wealth with some dodgy software.
As for randoms being bad at their classes, thats true most of the time, but try joining bigger clans/recruiting more ppl to your clans and teach them what they need to do, some of them might be new to game etc.
when you recruit u get the 2 out of 10 people who have are wanting to learn from you, asking questions. The other 8 are completely happy in their ignorant little world. To be forced to have to party with people isnt really a good way of keeping the servers populated. Nobody likes to be forced to do anything. Yes sometimes you have to suck it up and do it, but theres always a choice, and to not be able to have one, kinda sucks.... shouldnt really be called FREE to play then :P pun intended.
Not to mention, no one seemed to have a problem boxing before GoD
For some people having boxes, multiply accounts, is how they keep their game interesting and challenging. Anyone can use Party Matching to find a party for Kartia. If you want a challenge do Kartia with 7 of your own characters and alt-tab your way through it pressing the macro's. It's not just being selfish, it's control of your progress.
/sarcasm_on
Lets see I'll play L2 today, I know! I'll set myself a challenge and go to Kartia with my own 7 chars!
/sarcasm_off
You can't be serious? Why would someone do this in a frigging MMO. I rather play a single player game than do stuff like this :rolleyes: If it's like this for players of a MMO, why not just rename L2 into MSORPG instead of MMORPG?
Some people don't have time to spend 6 hours a day in game, let alone spend 3 hours waiting to find the parties for the hunting spots / instances they're missing.
Noone's telling you to do everything, it's not a must. You can just do what you can, if you're limited on time. Don't see the reason why you would spend so long to find/make a party.
Not to mention, no one seemed to have a problem boxing before GoD
Because before GoD, you were kinda forced to box if you wanted to make money while playing. No (sorry to say, expensive) Auction House. So 90% of the players would've bought a 2nd L2 Key and made themself a shop char to place in Giran/Aden while they played to buy in materials for craft and/or sell the results from grind. One thing let to another and most people ended up with a buffer on that same account.
If NCSoft wouldn't had allowed boxing back in C1, this wouldn't be an issue. It's is an issue since you take something away from people that rely on it for many many years and built their whole game experience on it.
Because before GoD, you were kinda forced to box if you wanted to make money while playing. No (sorry to say, expensive) Auction House. So 90% of the players would've bought a 2nd L2 Key and made themself a shop char to place in Giran/Aden while they played to buy in materials for craft and/or sell the results from grind. One thing let to another and most people ended up with a buffer on that same account.
If NCSoft wouldn't had allowed boxing back in C1, this wouldn't be an issue. It's is an issue since you take something away from people that rely on it for many many years and built their whole game experience on it.
Funny to see how players all complain about the client/PC limitation only. As you said, players have build their experience around it, including OOP buffers. On the new limitations on the latter one I haven't heard a wort form most players yet.
Keep in mind buys, your OOP ISS is USELESS now. Read the patchnotes - ISS buffs are active as long as the ISS is in party. If you use your ISS box to buff you, then you'll have some tough luck, because the moment you drop party with the boxed ISS you also drop buffs.
That's the thing I thought would get the most complaints from the players, not the 3 client limit ;)
when you recruit u get the 2 out of 10 people who have are wanting to learn from you, asking questions. The other 8 are completely happy in their ignorant little world. To be forced to have to party with people isnt really a good way of keeping the servers populated. Nobody likes to be forced to do anything. Yes sometimes you have to suck it up and do it, but theres always a choice, and to not be able to have one, kinda sucks.... shouldnt really be called FREE to play then :P pun intended.
Not to mention, no one seemed to have a problem boxing before GoD
Well, ******s should always be kicked from clans, you cant tell if they are bad right away sometimes. But I also dont think bigger clans have the problem of finding enough ppl to do something alot.
The FREE in the "Free to play" is that it costs you nothing to play the game, which is still true.
It does not mean I am free to do whatever I want.
And dont get me wrong, I still have no trouble boxing, I just chose to not do it to the extent I was doing it before. I still have 3 computers, and this change will most likely not affect me at all, not even for leeching fame on sieges.
Still, Juji remains silent about why this was implemented. Odd.
Funny to see how players all complain about the client/PC limitation only. As you said, players have build their experience around it, including OOP buffers. On the new limitations on the latter one I haven't heard a wort form most players yet.
Keep in mind buys, your OOP ISS is USELESS now. Read the patchnotes - ISS buffs are active as long as the ISS is in party. If you use your ISS box to buff you, then you'll have some tough luck, because the moment you drop party with the boxed ISS you also drop buffs.
That's the thing I thought would get the most complaints from the players, not the 3 client limit ;)
I think you read it wrong, buddy.
The patch notes only mean that the lvl 4 melody buffs are no longer for all nearby clannies, but only for in party.
You have to invite the buffer for buffing, then it can leave.
Or if you box an Iss Dominator, you dont even have to invite it :D
Iss Enchanter
Increased debuff duration. Increased normal attack damage. This will enhance the class to have easier fights. Some unpopular skills have been changed. However, "Healing Melody" had an issue of being better than heal skills of the healer classes. The MP cost has been increased for a wider selection of skills.
The normal attack damage on monsters has been increased by 10%.
Iss Enchanter's melody skills only apply to party members now.
Fixed the issue of the same debuff having duplicate effects due to the difference of its effectiveness on NPCs and players.
Funny to see how players all complain about the client/PC limitation only. As you said, players have build their experience around it, including OOP buffers. On the new limitations on the latter one I haven't heard a wort form most players yet.
Keep in mind buys, your OOP ISS is USELESS now. Read the patchnotes - ISS buffs are active as long as the ISS is in party. If you use your ISS box to buff you, then you'll have some tough luck, because the moment you drop party with the boxed ISS you also drop buffs.
That's the thing I thought would get the most complaints from the players, not the 3 client limit ;)
You read the patch notes wrong dude, please don't scare people lol. I have been on the Innova PTS and can 100% confirm to you that you are wrong. The change, as Smittie pointed out, is that lv4 buffs are no longer clan wide, but instead are changed to party only. You can drop an ISS from grp and still have your buffs remain.
During the update process for Lindvior technical difficulties occurred which have corrupted many of the game server's databases. As a result maintenance must be extended 24-48 hours while backups are restored and efforts are made to ensure the update is properly applied in a manner that will avoid such issues from occurring again during the update process.
You just increased the amount of QQ of people not being able to be sarcastic over 9000
Funny to see how players all complain about the client/PC limitation only. As you said, players have build their experience around it, including OOP buffers. On the new limitations on the latter one I haven't heard a wort form most players yet.
Keep in mind buys, your OOP ISS is USELESS now. Read the patchnotes - ISS buffs are active as long as the ISS is in party. If you use your ISS box to buff you, then you'll have some tough luck, because the moment you drop party with the boxed ISS you also drop buffs.
That's the thing I thought would get the most complaints from the players, not the 3 client limit ;)
You sir are the most uninformed person in this thread. Here's your trophy.