As we can see easily, archers can sweep all classes with decent gears. They kill feoh, healers in 2-3 hits and only abit harder for other classes. Their bows are easy to be enchanted. Archers have def more in the next update or at least magic critical deduction. Soon people change their classes to archers.
As I remember, archers were (for a long while), nerfed and considered more of a liability in parties then other classes. If they are kicking some butt now, let them bow's enjoy their day in the Sun. You never know how long that day will last in this game.
No more so than feohs in open pvp and worse than everything in oly. Try playing an archer in open oly and you will slit your wrists.
If archers are 2 shotting you make them a priority target, or use your UD / Heal / UE / AoD / CS or whatever 100 other skills EVERY class gets to keep itself alive except for an archer.
No more so than feohs in open pvp and worse than everything in oly. Try playing an archer in open oly and you will slit your wrists.
If archers are 2 shotting you make them a priority target, or use your UD / Heal / UE / AoD / CS or whatever 100 other skills EVERY class gets to keep itself alive except for an archer.
And he lists a skill that archers have and kills his argument in the same sentence. I'm actually shocked you didnt mention hide too. Would had nade it even better.
There is something called Knight harmony and good healers.do you know it?
Also there is something called "I dont stay in front of the yul to get smoked"
P.S if you are about to reply "yes yes noob how i do that when archer kill me 1 shot" pm me for Lollipop.
As we can see easily, archers can sweep all classes with decent gears. They kill feoh, healers in 2-3 hits and only abit harder for other classes. Their bows are easy to be enchanted. Archers have def more in the next update or at least magic critical deduction. Soon people change their classes to archers.
:eek: "archers can sweep all classes with decent gear" .... NO
I'm Yul ghost sentinel lv.99 ... bound ethernal set +6 (except armour +4) all parts x120 attribute, PvP belt from CoC, Octavis Neck, Talisman of Hellfire, pasiive skills +5 , active +4/5 on duel/time, Specter bow +4 dmg 300 fire, reflect dmg augment .... and I don't feel so overpowered .
Yes is true..afther update we got more p.att. but wasn't all classes got stronger. I think all depends on how do you know to play your class...I've got owned by players 95+ and sometimes from players under 95 in tw with nor blue/red wep...Is true that now feohs are easy to kiil but not everytime...they also deal a lot of dmg and if you aren't prepared a feoh can put u down with 2-3 skills...Healer are you serious...healer in heavy armor,cele, heal afther heal...hard to beat, tanks....say thx if I can remove his CP and 15-30% of his hp ...tyrrs ...if not prepared for his berserk yul got easy down...iss...transoform,br,heal himself,cp himself...othels ...you may got :eek: when an othel under 95 in tw and apo duals in 3-4 skills put down an yul...
In conclusion i don't consider yul so overpowred now..maybe they are 1 min with minds eye , final ult. evasion, savage...afther that just go in camouflage and run :D
If archers are 2 shotting you make them a priority target, or use your UD / Heal / UE / AoD / CS or whatever 100 other skills EVERY class gets to keep itself alive except(?) for an archer.
You know, i really start to believe nobody in this game play with their hands, but do you play without looking at screen too?
Some hardcore blindfolded player.
Aparently archer doesnt have more survival skills..such as flash which procs a lot on double time, or Hide for that matter...nop Archer has no defense mechanics whatsoever.
terrible archer.
And he lists a skill that archers have and kills his argument in the same sentence. I'm actually shocked you didnt mention hide too. Would had nade it even better.
How dumb are you neutrals? So I have one UE, a dagger has 2, an enchantable hide, a high land rate blink and pz
You know, i really start to believe nobody in this game play with their hands, but do you play without looking at screen too?
Some hardcore blindfolded player.
Aparently archer doesnt have more survival skills..such as flash which procs a lot on double time, or Hide for that matter...nop Archer has no defense mechanics whatsoever.
terrible archer.
You are clueless, archer cannot OE its hide, dagger can OE hide, OE UE and OE angel of death all for time. If my flash procs i have 10 seconds to "survive" when any other class will just disparation and null that. Tanks have 4 UDs and a cubic that heals all the time. Warrior has 50k hp a 20 second barrier, a heal that heals 10% hp and 15% cp every 1minute(?) a healer has cs, UD, and a spamable heal and a debuff that will slowly kill any class. Buffer has a 3 second heal, along with a rock that you can NEVER come out of if you so wish. Summnoner has Transfer pain, can balance heal and dots that smash everything. Mage is in the same boat as archer, but atleast they get 2x UD (Crystal and mana ud?) a blink, and the ability to 2 shot everything as well. If you have trouble with archers its because you have no idea what your doing (inside oly atleast)
Jarpo is right. open oly is p much wrist slit time. Open PvP we are very strong but not impossible to kill either. Everyone complains about something being op not our fault that we have played this class and it is now fotm for some stupid *** reason.
maybe they are 1 min with minds eye , final ult. evasion, savage...afther that just go in camouflage and run :D
You obviously have no idea how to play an archer anyways if that is your play style.
How dumb are you neutrals? So I have one UE, a dagger has 2, an enchantable hide, a high land rate blink and pz
You have UE, hide, two blinks, a target cancel (albeit kinda buggy but so is disparition) a target grabbing clone, and traps.
Archers deal more damage at a lower risk than daggers and well geared archers can often kill most classes in one stun duration which lands a lot more now in Lindvior.
I used to sympathize with archers. But I always had the feeling that they never played their classes to their fullest. After facing the Russian archers, that feeling was confirmed. They play nothing like you guys and its literately as if they're playing a different class altogether. I no longer accept the BS archers put up nowadays. NA archers are bad; there's nothing else to it.
You obviously have no idea how to play an archer anyways if that is your play style.
you obviously didn't understand my ideea as soon as i didn't sayd anything about my play style..but maybe you can give some advice and tell your overpower play style with decent gear :D
You have UE, hide, two blinks, a target cancel (albeit kinda buggy but so is disparition) a target grabbing clone, and traps.
Archers deal more damage at a lower risk than daggers and well geared archers can often kill most classes in one stun duration which lands a lot more now in Lindvior.
I used to sympathize with archers. But I always had the feeling that they never played their classes to their fullest. After facing the Russian archers, that feeling was confirmed. They play nothing like you guys and its literately as if they're playing a different class altogether. I no longer accept the BS archers put up nowadays. NA archers are bad; there's nothing else to it.
UE that lasts 40 seconds, Any good class will waste my UE and then you are a 2 shot. I don't understand how that is hard to comprehend. An iss can ISS CS for 30 seconds if it wants to waste UE, then rock for another 30. A dagger has a hide that lasts idk, 100 seconds or something. A UE that lasts 40 seconds as well as a steroid UE that lasts 40 seconds.
I use my clone (1 shot, and half the time doesn't grab target) and both of my traps (+7 chance) none of which land on anyone that matters in oly. I'm talking end game archer in oly vs any half decent character other than a mage is very hard. Archer is GREAT in open pvp but in oly it is defiantly the worst class. Btw you cant blink in half the oly arenas. You blink and with blink forward its to far, your skill gets used and u go nowhere because u would be propelled into a wall and ncsoft doesn't want that
Archers may hit the hardest but killing anything inside oly in 1 stun (Wait, whats stun, everyone has disparation, or unbind, and my stun has a 33 second reuse) and even if you are smashing in stun, imagine i hit a warrior for 15k (Cleared 65% of his cp or so?) I just reflected anywhere from 3-8k (Lets call it, 5k) and thats 1/3 of my cp already. With desire for reflect resist and w/e else helps. You guys are awful, feel free to watch me in open oly or classbased, or better yet, sign and give me your points.
Tl;dr Arguing with neutrals about oly is so backwards it hurts.
you obviously didn't understand my ideea as soon as i didn't sayd anything about my play style..but maybe you can give some advice and tell your overpower play style with decent gear :D
Perhaps i was a bit crude, but i question this. Why bank on minds eye at this point in the game? It is no where near what it once was and I honestly do not think it can be the crutch it once was.
/e Also, Savage is nice and all but why not an extra escape such as unbind to go along with disparition? Or that one that heals you and adds reflect i believe? I honestly think that archers have such great damage potential that they should try to boost their chances of survival in any way possible. Though i guess some would argue that going balls deep damage would be the best way to do that.
It is the same with any class, but its not just what items the character have; its a delicate blend of skills, luck, hardware/ISP and equipment that makes the final over powered guy.
Anyways, is Yul Archer a good class to play nowadays ? Yes it is.
PD: Play the class your guild needs more or the one you like the most.
Ok, ços i got tired of ppl complaining i challenge every1 who thinks the archers are OP to make a lvl 86 archer and to fight it against my tyrr duelist 86 or tank, or summoner, or healer. Same lvl, same gear, adventure buffs. Just to check that OP... If you call the proper gear and charr development OP, then every class is OPed. I bet that guy that started the thread has Feoh :)
P.S
I've read somewhere above, some`said the stun lands more often since Lindvior - no it doesn't. It lands more, because many ppl don't know that stun ISN'T mental atack. It's only stun attack. So if you want stunn ressit, take Stun Ressitance from the CH or make the healer give it to you. It's NOT included in the ISS buffs.
russian style?
try koreans style... after reading rochand... cannot compare http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1044&start=140#p22396
lol even mages get more pdef than any tyr/tank in NA servers, cant imagine how archers can be there since the majority of koreans play archer
Ok, ços i got tired of ppl complaining i challenge every1 who thinks the archers are OP to make a lvl 86 archer and to fight it against my tyrr duelist 86 or tank, or summoner, or healer. Same lvl, same gear, adventure buffs. Just to check that OP... If you call the proper gear and charr development OP, then every class is OPed. I bet that guy that started the thread has Feoh :)
P.S
I've read somewhere above, some`said the stun lands more often since Lindvior - no it doesn't. It lands more, because many ppl don't know that stun ISN'T mental atack. It's only stun attack. So if you want stunn ressit, take Stun Ressitance from the CH or make the healer give it to you. It's NOT included in the ISS buffs.
Who care about 86 lvl . All pplz care about their end game toons which is actualy used for playing and investing money into them and enchanting skills to +10 and so on. Every single person want to have decent pvp toon in end game. And the guys who playing feoh even they have +++++++++ gear thinking about reroling. this is just another joke of ncsoft. its like >port>bacl screen> ok the toon alrdy down with 64874 damage. And some lol yul shout "jajajajaja 1 hit!" hohoh kekeke trololo. Ridiculous ****.
And i swear i will post so many posts about feoh and yuls that eventualy this korean ideot will nerf your class to death.
Not my fault ppl don't know how to port when they have wars (leave aside the fact that only the realy noobish noobs do spotkill). If you wanna watch nuke power, watch oly. Last week eXeqtor vaperised socketka with only 2 hits. And it's not about the difference in the gears, since socketka is the richest guy, maybe on the entire NA network. So if your feoh is fail - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG ;)
I haven't seen EQUALLY GEARED tyrr and archer where the archer puts the tyrr down in 1 or 2 or even 5 skills, nvm criticals or not (and i guess will never see). Same goes for the healers. If a healer dies in 1v1 against an equal yul, better delete his charr and start play CS.
I'm not denying that we yuls do good dmg, but it's not a matter of OP. It's all about skill and charracter D-E-V-L-O-P-M-E-N-T. 99.99% of the feohs put +15 INT +3WIT dyes and 10% m.atk and then wonder how come they die so easily. How come beside my skill enchants and stats, there are still healers and feohs on which i can't land more then 5k dmg with crit??? learn your class and then spam moar ;)
Same goes for the archers btw. They put +15 STR, some of them remove CON, and then wonder how come i land stun on them everytime despite being 2 lvls below.
Not my fault ppl don't know how to port when they have wars (leave aside the fact that only the realy noobish noobs do spotkill). If you wanna watch nuke power, watch oly. Last week eXeqtor vaperised socketka with only 2 hits. And it's not about the difference in the gears, since socketka is the richest guy, maybe on the entire NA network. So if your feoh is fail - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG ;)
I haven't seen EQUALLY GEARED tyrr and archer where the archer puts the tyrr down in 1 or 2 or even 5 skills, nvm criticals or not (and i guess will never see). Same goes for the healers. If a healer dies in 1v1 against an equal yul, better delete his charr and start play CS.
I'm not denying that we yuls do good dmg, but it's not a matter of OP. It's all about skill and charracter D-E-V-L-O-P-M-E-N-T. 99.99% of the feohs put +15 INT +3WIT dyes and 10% m.atk and then wonder how come they die so easily. How come beside my skill enchants and stats, there are still healers and feohs on which i can't land more then 5k dmg with crit??? learn your class and then spam moar ;)
Same goes for the archers btw. They put +15 STR, some of them remove CON, and then wonder how come i land stun on them everytime despite being 2 lvls below.
oO why on earth u think my tatoos are +15 int ? And don't compare exeqtor with me. Exeqtor playing like Martelx full on scripts . It's nothing to compare with legal players. I don't even bother to think about fights on scripts. Imo it just counterskill any action your oponent trying to use in a milisecons. And if socketka is SO fliping rich why exeqqtor pt have 2x tauti weapons ? and not Sucketka ? And yah sucketka have pvp gear like exeqqtor ? :D dude you delusional to compare socketka with exeqtor. Is like hell and heaven. Exeqtor will prevent every your stun attemp before you try use it.
Dude its sooooooo different with legit feoh .I just wish you could play his toon legit way and go fight same socketka. That would be lol fraps. :D Or some yul or some healer or some i even dont know what class any class own feohs. God help do not get sumoner in oly. Don't event try to compare 2-3 feoh in all NA with +16 +8 pvp gear with scripts with ordinary feohs legits . Its Soooo day and night u know ? .
How dumb are you neutrals? So I have one UE, a dagger has 2, an enchantable hide, a high land rate blink and pz
You are clueless, archer cannot OE its hide, dagger can OE hide, OE UE and OE angel of death all for time. If my flash procs i have 10 seconds to "survive" when any other class will just disparation and null that. Tanks have 4 UDs and a cubic that heals all the time. Warrior has 50k hp a 20 second barrier, a heal that heals 10% hp and 15% cp every 1minute(?) a healer has cs, UD, and a spamable heal and a debuff that will slowly kill any class. Buffer has a 3 second heal, along with a rock that you can NEVER come out of if you so wish. Summnoner has Transfer pain, can balance heal and dots that smash everything. Mage is in the same boat as archer, but atleast they get 2x UD (Crystal and mana ud?) a blink, and the ability to 2 shot everything as well. If you have trouble with archers its because you have no idea what your doing (inside oly atleast)
hm, so you complain and say that flash(last 5 sec) doesnt count as a "survive" skill but then give crystal form as an example( which last 3 sec, w/o losing target)? Then you you compare mane UD to UE? im sorry to tell you but mana UD is horrible, you'll get oom in 2 shot, while an archer in UE is impossible to hit.
And then you talk about the mage blinks... did you forget that archer has the same exact 2 blinks? with more range?
Archer are OP with decent gear while other class need uber gear to be as OP as them.
and why no QQ about wynns? dots w/o reuse ftw... if you are archer and have pvp vs wynn only qhp can help you.. otherwise you are dead..
Wyns yeah probably in lindvior is even worse than yul . Well to be clear Yul anoyong a bit more than wynn because open field pvp. Wynn is dangerous 1v1 or oly. But wynn isn't so dangerous if you have 2 healers with proper purging. in 7v7 or mass pvp. Meanwhile youls with rapsody and minds eye oO its something unbelievable. I had to boost my pdef like 7k+ to survive some hits on feoh sacrificing my dmg autput to horible lvls. And still was primary target in 7v7 without any survivability skills. u say arcane barier ? :D what ? are you serious its not even can be considered as something defensive imo you next secod are at 0 mana after 2 hits from yul. Yul is dependant on SELF buff minds eye what makes him powerfull dd imo you cannot purge minds eye like sime death breath or gloom or marks or whatever debuff. Minds eye is self buff giving +140% crit damage +30% from rings considering crit damage itself is powerfull hit those % makes it insane. And That hide and Ue is op skills. Blinks etc etc. So yah oly yul can lose to some tanks sumoners thats for sure but hey its only 2 classes to avoid in oly and that it the rest thing yul is super. 1v1 open area pff can kite any enemy to death. Feoh pff what feoh ? what is that one. I deleted alrdy my toon. Its not posible to play those skill castings are just laughable when most classes cast their stuns instantly, feoh hell bindings have some stupid delays, look any skill it have somehing wrong srsly. Air rider ? if you get hit char just stops :D and air rider is canceled oO lol ? why is that so ? Why dang Unleash hell is so useless 99 skills ? it not hit , debuff are horible and they arent landind 99% of time. what the hell is with that hell binding cast ? my granma can cast faster :D .while feoh casting this crap any class just counter it with some idk anything crystal forms , fake deaths , angels touches , and so on and so on. DId you seen how yul stun ? does it have some 78463784 secons cast ? or othels ? or how wyns exile ? do they have any 3 second casting ? and thats with 1999 casting speed. i was like WHUT ? Its all small things but they are always so important . That air rider stop on hit makes you game over just because he stops. So i never could imagine i will dissapoint feoh so much. And thou i was forced to change my nicely class with this GOD thingy.
if your proud that you kill opponent who can do nothing, then yes. gf you are awesome. :) same goes to berserkers when they say gf after fight when you 90% of time was with disarm :) awesome skills.
You are clueless, archer cannot OE its hide, dagger can OE hide, OE UE and OE angel of death all for time.
Where did i even mention OE? 30 seconds or 1 minute isn't enough survival time for a class that 2 shots others?
You clearly said other classes have UE and archer doesn't...don't throw sand in our eyes, botting to 99 doesnt make you good player, sorry.:)
And archer was never beast at Oly, that's a moot point, L2 is about outside pvp/mass pvp, not Oly.
Mage is in the same boat as archer, but atleast they get 2x UD (Crystal and mana ud?) a blink, and the ability to 2 shot everything as well. If you have trouble with archers its because you have no idea what your doing (inside oly atleast)
Seriously have you even played a mage? Do you know crystal form only lasts 3 seconds, while flash lasts 5 (and has high chance to proc) and UE is 100x better than Arcane barrier since arcane barrier can be dispeled after 3 big shots, you're left without mana, and u die the next hit.
and why no QQ about wynns? dots w/o reuse ftw... if you are archer and have pvp vs wynn only qhp can help you.. otherwise you are dead..
if you are feoh and pvp vs wynn even qhp spam doesn't help. same as vs yul. same as vs othel same oh wait all classes exept iss and tank . Those are not killable thou. I dont even bother to pvp scripted iss imo just waste of time all feoh just reflectkill on tanks so dont even bother, pvp vs healer with qhp is like 1 hour until eventualy coming some clanmate and kill from back so don't even bother . What for needed feoh class ? aoe exp others ?:)
event 20k $ worth toon like narwin hardly get those stats :D. Besides couple half kills and he would be down anyway :D. And i wonder if that helps pvp wynn thou. Imo 4 marks and exile and bye bye.
If you wanna watch nuke power, watch oly. Last week eXeqtor vaperised socketka with only 2 hits. And it's not about the difference in the gears, since socketka is the richest guy, maybe on the entire NA network. So if your feoh is fail - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG ;)
hmm.... guess socketka's s/s80 jewelery makes him the most overgeared tyrr in the history of l2
event 20k $ worth toon like narwin hardly get those stats :D. Besides couple half kills and he would be down anyway :D. And i wonder if that helps pvp wynn thou. Imo 4 marks and exile and bye bye.
mno. they mostly play archers and the rest mages for pvp, none play other DD classes on those servers. why? because these 2 classes are more useful and do better damage than the ones you mentioned.
Its a freakin A R C H E R it must deal damage wtf...if It was a class that would do less dmg and survive longer would be named W A R R I O R.for god shake ppl...and because not everyone has a rich daddy most yuls use baium/aq= low freakin m.def
Now,all mages come and tell us who useless arcane barrier is.
He has boss jewels.. he linked some the other day.. :P
Old ones... Which means low mdef. Unless he managed to get his hands on soul bottles to update them.
gl getting istina/octavis when drop rate is now 0% and dont even mention coc, legit players cant sign anymore... its already full by the time you receive the invitation but if you somehow manage to sign, its all full with naked or immortal bots
gl getting istina/octavis when drop rate is now 0% and dont even mention coc, legit players cant sign anymore... its already full by the time you receive the invitation but if you somehow manage to sign, its all full with naked or immortal bots
when i want go coc it's np to sign in naia. anytime i want.
just be sure that you sign @ x:00 x:15 x:30 x:45 once i was lucky and signed in 2nd registration wave. so where is the problem? maybe your quest/campaing/?/coc buttons somewhere hiden? :)
gl getting istina/octavis when drop rate is now 0% and dont even mention coc, legit players cant sign anymore... its already full by the time you receive the invitation but if you somehow manage to sign, its all full with naked or immortal bots
As zlz says.. I also have np signing CoC even with the huge amount of farmers.
nope, i did that too some time ago, now the invitation doesnt appear anymore but if it does its already exceed its capacity blah blah so you dont get the sign window after invitation appear http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=259768
anyway, how else do they expect to get the other 2, istina/octavis? i wonder if its the same in korea or they manually changed the drop rate to 0.00000000001% so ppl can buy drop runes, or maybe they just deleted the drop in NA as they did with destruction and who knows what other stuff.
UE that lasts 40 seconds, Any good class will waste my UE and then you are a 2 shot. I don't understand how that is hard to comprehend. An iss can ISS CS for 30 seconds if it wants to waste UE, then rock for another 30. A dagger has a hide that lasts idk, 100 seconds or something. A UE that lasts 40 seconds as well as a steroid UE that lasts 40 seconds.
I use my clone (1 shot, and half the time doesn't grab target) and both of my traps (+7 chance) none of which land on anyone that matters in oly. I'm talking end game archer in oly vs any half decent character other than a mage is very hard. Archer is GREAT in open pvp but in oly it is defiantly the worst class. Btw you cant blink in half the oly arenas. You blink and with blink forward its to far, your skill gets used and u go nowhere because u would be propelled into a wall and ncsoft doesn't want that
Archers may hit the hardest but killing anything inside oly in 1 stun (Wait, whats stun, everyone has disparation, or unbind, and my stun has a 33 second reuse) and even if you are smashing in stun, imagine i hit a warrior for 15k (Cleared 65% of his cp or so?) I just reflected anywhere from 3-8k (Lets call it, 5k) and thats 1/3 of my cp already. With desire for reflect resist and w/e else helps. You guys are awful, feel free to watch me in open oly or classbased, or better yet, sign and give me your points.
Tl;dr Arguing with neutrals about oly is so backwards it hurts.
When my pr yul friend used my items with his 7+ standard r99 bow 2sa and only hellfire he made 430 points on shilen third place overall. only one that has more points is frontline the top oly tank on shilen with over 550. i think yul is stronger than most classes in oly if played right.
UE that lasts 40 seconds, Any good class will waste my UE and then you are a 2 shot. I don't understand how that is hard to comprehend. An iss can ISS CS for 30 seconds if it wants to waste UE, then rock for another 30. A dagger has a hide that lasts idk, 100 seconds or something. A UE that lasts 40 seconds as well as a steroid UE that lasts 40 seconds.
I use my clone (1 shot, and half the time doesn't grab target) and both of my traps (+7 chance) none of which land on anyone that matters in oly. I'm talking end game archer in oly vs any half decent character other than a mage is very hard. Archer is GREAT in open pvp but in oly it is defiantly the worst class. Btw you cant blink in half the oly arenas. You blink and with blink forward its to far, your skill gets used and u go nowhere because u would be propelled into a wall and ncsoft doesn't want that
Archers may hit the hardest but killing anything inside oly in 1 stun (Wait, whats stun, everyone has disparation, or unbind, and my stun has a 33 second reuse) and even if you are smashing in stun, imagine i hit a warrior for 15k (Cleared 65% of his cp or so?) I just reflected anywhere from 3-8k (Lets call it, 5k) and thats 1/3 of my cp already. With desire for reflect resist and w/e else helps. You guys are awful, feel free to watch me in open oly or classbased, or better yet, sign and give me your points.
Tl;dr Arguing with neutrals about oly is so backwards it hurts.
For some people its too hard to understand that archer is the only class that receives insane amount of damage from all the others and Why is that?because he is stroGn!GF
For some people its too hard to understand that archer is the only class that receives insane amount of damage from all the others and Why is that?because he is stroGn!GF
if robe or ue didnt exist that would be true in you imaginary game you play
forgot to add there is now prevision that makes you evade magic skills but a mage/healer still cant evade physical skills
and how many oponents he had 99lvl tanks/tyrs with OE'd gear?
it's easy to win against <97 lvl. only tanks and summoners can be pain in the ***..
99 and dual 99 wyrns/tyrrs/healers/daggers some 99 tanks also. i dont think they had super gears like some players from naia or chronos but if the pr had a r99 15+ b weapon and longing he would hit 30-60% harder depending on mindseye or not, if he had i am sure he would do almost as well on naia or chronos.
if robe or ue didnt exist that would be true in you imaginary game you play
forgot to add there is now prevision that makes you evade magic skills but a mage/healer still cant evade physical skills
Prevision is 15s but lets take it your way,40s +15s =55s so an archer has more or less a minute where a healer can keep him alive easily,which serious pvp lasts 1minute?
this thread is becoming a joke i guess with same gear a yul can not only survive longer but also deal more damage period.
and yes i have every class and i do oly regulary with all of them trust me as yul (95) i managed to kill every class even at 99 not mentioning my yul has no jewelery and element armor... but ofc it depends on enemy but you must also think about that it is my alt imagine what a good geared well skilled yul can do in oly i 4-5 shoted a DH tyrr that is 98 i cant do that on my 99 feoh not even close
another thing is i really laugh at every yul that loses to me on feoh just because my 95 yul can kill even 99 feohs so really read your skill descriptions....
this thread is becoming a joke i guess with same gear a yul can not only survive longer but also deal more damage period.
and yes i have every class and i do oly regulary with all of them trust me as yul (95) i managed to kill every class even at 99 not mentioning my yul has no jewelery and element armor... but ofc it depends on enemy but you must also think about that it is my alt imagine what a good geared well skilled yul can do in oly i 4-5 shoted a DH tyrr that is 98 i cant do that on my 99 feoh not even close
another thing is i really laugh at every yul that loses to me on feoh just because my 95 yul can kill even 99 feohs so really read your skill descriptions....
Its just simply clear that yul damage is overpowered and only archer will argue that its not because he likes this easy frags. Simple as that. Why you think this So called PRO duelist Martelx rerolled to YUL ?
I explain you why , because in overall skills power+survivability makes yuls best performers, killers whos names pops up on red,blue in front of screen and gives this char a lot of attention. So basicly yes Martelx likes attention he want to be POP star , pixel king. Pplz like martelx dont care about what class they play until this class makes him pixel king :).
well not everyone.. not even in Nova/SH there are ppl that stacked as those end game koreans.. maybe Nova's CL comes close to it but nobody else does..
I mean really +8 or higher pvp'd armor, all bless epics, red pvp'd bow etc. who has that on our servers :)
tactics wise sure you can maybe learn a little and if anything it clearly shows in Korea they don't use scripts in Oly lol..
well not everyone.. not even in Nova/SH there are ppl that stacked as those end game koreans.. maybe Nova's CL comes close to it but nobody else does..
I mean really +8 or higher pvp'd armor, all bless epics, red pvp'd bow etc. who has that on our servers :)
tactics wise sure you can maybe learn a little and if anything it clearly shows in Korea they don't use scripts in Oly lol..
There's actually some1 on our servers that has over 700b adena... but nowhere to use it.. as drops nowadays.. :|
yea there are other classes too like wizard video, they play so **** well in oly i havent seen any that good posted in NA.
everyone is dam rich there, even seen lots of enchanters and tanks with 1h tauti weapons
still lots of ppl here consider them pve and not that good at pvp... lol.
At the current time our servers are tanks have better chances in oly vs most classes when we reach the same stage as korea things will be way different that now.
yea there are other classes too like wizard video, they play so **** well in oly i havent seen any that good posted in NA.
everyone is dam rich there, even seen lots of enchanters and tanks with 1h tauti weapons
still lots of ppl here consider them pve and not that good at pvp... lol.
1. to many ppl use scripts here which makes for lazy actual play, not many good players left that manage to do things ingame without scripts -> if there were no scripts you would see much better play in oly here too.
2. top clans loan their strongest players all needed gear, scamming is something unheard of in korea
3. ebaying is practically legal in korea but as nothing is really done against rmt here we're kind of equal lolz
4. take away scripts from our top end game clans and let them fight the korean end game clans and watch ours getting stomped.. most likely even with scripts cause of gear & number advantage
1. to many ppl use scripts here which makes for lazy actual play, not many good players left that manage to do things ingame without scripts -> if there were no scripts you would see much better play in oly here too.
2. top clans loan their strongest players all needed gear, scamming is something unheard of in korea
3. ebaying is practically legal in korea but as nothing is really done against rmt here we're kind of equal lolz
4. take away scripts from our top end game clans and let them fight the korean end game clans and watch ours getting stomped.. most likely even with scripts cause of gear & number advantage
Korea has a total different mentality of the game,they know the reason they play for not to mention that there are koreans who have never ever PvPed.Its total different thing but those who pvp can destroy our servers in a matter of seconds but if there is a little bit of a chance to have some fights with the Koreans that would be very interesting,would like to get an official answer if thats even possible
Yull skill eyes mind reuse 10 min and Feoh Use Dualcaster and other bufs in 2 min ?
Yull reuse Stun 20/40 seconds. Tank/Tyr/dager reuse stun 3/8seconds ?
Yull teleport Reuse 8/35sec Feoh Teleport 4s ?
Yull use teleport in fail Floor and skill canceled Feoh no canceled.
And yes yull hit good damage but recived more damage yull is good in masive pvp in 1 vs 1 are **** very ****. Recived more damage for reflect and etc etc i love other cronics whit yull no recived reflect for arrorws. Ncsoft crazy. In other cronics "ppl reflect only dead vs archer" at the moment ppl reflect are the best. I play in olys vs 1 healer and healer only heal heal heal and me dead for reflect. Good combat.
Healers OP/ Tanks OP/ Tyrs OP with more stuns and more barriers lol Yull only have 1 UE and 1 destarget teleports are **** reuse high. And imposible run Speed lol and all clas have skills for traped.
Lol Yul does dmg ... Lol What a news ... What the hell you want - an archer who can't kill a single mob on his own? WTF is wrong with you. The 2 second reuse Eruption of the tyrrs along with the 8 sec jump atack aren't OP tho ? Can't see your logics... Easy frags you say, when mr. IKnowEverything, how you think an archer with ~19k HP and 21k CP can kill a Tyrr with 40k HP and 35K CP who also has more then 60% reflect ? Yes, we make dmg, but YES there's reflect to that, so at the same time when the nuker uses his Arcane barrier i eat my own CP along with a part of the HP, and if the disparation is in reuse, when he lifts you up with yoke, it's game over.
Tyrr's eruption is the real OP here, but i don't mind it since i also have tyrr and it's kinda nice class to play. But it has way too much success rate even with Top grade Stun ressist earing from CoC + Zaken + Tezza it lands 8/10 times on my archer, which btw has 220 basic p.evasion. With Tezza and Baium, eruption's reuse times falls down to 2 secs. And enchanted on Cost you can practicaly spamm it non stop
yes u can spam it, too bad that it will never land to anyone who have healer buff and even if it does its for 1 second and after 3 tries u get imune to it. Dont even compare any meles to archers/wizards u hit archer 2k dmg he hits u back 10k+ ill let u figure out who gonna win pot fight
There's actually some1 on our servers that has over 700b adena... but nowhere to use it.. as drops nowadays.. :|
nowhere to use ? :D what about item broker selling tauti weapons ? valakas botles ? Nowhere to use lol . Considering there is no more mega drops of adena in loa citadel etc ... he will buy ALL good stuff everyime.
Yull skill eyes mind reuse 10 min and Feoh Use Dualcaster and other bufs in 2 min ?
Yull reuse Stun 20/40 seconds. Tank/Tyr/dager reuse stun 3/8seconds ?
Yull teleport Reuse 8/35sec Feoh Teleport 4s ?
Yull use teleport in fail Floor and skill canceled Feoh no canceled.
And yes yull hit good damage but recived more damage yull is good in masive pvp in 1 vs 1 are **** very ****. Recived more damage for reflect and etc etc i love other cronics whit yull no recived reflect for arrorws. Ncsoft crazy. In other cronics "ppl reflect only dead vs archer" at the moment ppl reflect are the best. I play in olys vs 1 healer and healer only heal heal heal and me dead for reflect. Good combat.
Healers OP/ Tanks OP/ Tyrs OP with more stuns and more barriers lol Yull only have 1 UE and 1 destarget teleports are **** reuse high. And imposible run Speed lol and all clas have skills for traped.
I changed my clas for 1 tank o Tyr lol Yull ****.
dude u never played feoh . Go try it :D feoh is a useless carpet. yul is god if you compare those 2 classes.
dude u never played feoh . Go try it :D feoh is a useless carpet. yul is god if you compare those 2 classes.
lol go watch naia or korean videos, far from useless
even i killed archers from pvp clans
lol go watch naia or korean videos, far from useless
even i killed archers from pvp clans
we don't play in korean servers we play in our servers we don't have a half things what koreans have. So with this we cannot make 14k pdef on feoh okay ? )
wow dude u killed archer from pvp clan cool story he probably was standing afk unbuffed and forgot his +7 octavis istina jewelry set. go kill keepdreming :)) Gl to you.
Imo otherwise he would go liek this minds eye-> hide -> wait wait wait -> stun -> 1 shot = u dead , or in best case you have 0 mana and then you dead :D
lol, they come to atk ppl in my party.... they die, they are 99 too. still the hardest thing to kill, actually impossible, are mages with scripts.
:D joke of the year hardest to kill is Fohs :D dude u delusional ) ok i take my yul 99 meet me in cementary for pvp :D i want so see how hard will be to kill ya .
:D joke of the year hardest to kill is Fohs :D dude u delusional ) ok i take my yul 99 meet me in cementary for pvp :D i want so see how hard will be to kill ya .
how many 99 do you have? ok bot, take a seat , you bottet up and now you have no idea how to play . you skip not only lvls but classes too, i was referring to hardest to kill from a mage pov. a mage with scripts cannot be lifted or other ****. and this is a mmo, you should have known by now that koreans optimize classes for groups vs groups, where everyone has a role in it otherwise they should have gave each class same set of equivalent skills . go play cs.
how many 99 do you have? ok bot, take a seat , you bottet up and now you have no idea how to play . you skip not only lvls but classes too, i was referring to hardest to kill from a mage pov. a mage with scripts cannot be lifted or other ****. and this is a mmo, you should have known by now that koreans optimize classes for groups vs groups, where everyone has a role in it otherwise they should have gave each class same set of equivalent skills . go play cs.
LOL i have CP and i play with my brother. And his main toon is yul . also i have a sister her toon in my cp is othel . Problems ?
how many 99 do you have? ok bot, take a seat , you bottet up and now you have no idea how to play . you skip not only lvls but classes too, i was referring to hardest to kill from a mage pov. a mage with scripts cannot be lifted or other ****. and this is a mmo, you should have known by now that koreans optimize classes for groups vs groups, where everyone has a role in it otherwise they should have gave each class same set of equivalent skills . go play cs.
you just blah blah show me how you own open oly with feoh. and show me how u lockdown COC with feoh go kill figga in coc with some IMBA feoh i wanna fliping see it. You stating feohs is unkilable :D lol fraps me how you able to hold in ceremony of chaos.gathering marks doing its quest you will be so imba there that my eyes will be like this oO. You are the god with your carpet toon in naia. :D
you just blah blah show me how you own open oly with feoh. and show me how u lockdown COC with feoh go kill figga in coc with some IMBA feoh i wanna fliping see it.
Juno kills figga in coc.you seriously even think of posting how u want to kill end game toons?seriously?who do you think you are..
you just blah blah show me how you own open oly with feoh. and show me how u lockdown COC with feoh go kill figga in coc with some IMBA feoh i wanna fliping see it.
maybe you should know that gear is very important to this class, unless for example othell. they dont optimize/balance game for naked chars.
I always like watching oly videos more so because they are hard to come by but wtf I am supposed to make off these , please enlighten me.
a) kite tanks
b) punish noob mages that open double casting / wizard spirit AND arcane barrier the second the match starts with hide ?
OK.
Only very rich feohs are boosted in Lindvior.
Not everyone can have Soul QA and Soul Baium or Istina Wizards.
And even with those they are not as good as yuls.
Videos posted above prove ****. WTF? Why even post?
Just go and watch NCWest pvp videos.
If you are not blind you will see that on the same CP yuls have like 15 enemy kills feohs 5 kills wyns 1 kill ratio.
Seriously why people can't accept that Yuls are way OP on open field pvp?
Opening all specials like that , especially opening arcane barrier AFTER he went into hide was a mistake no matter how you look at it . Now get off the korean players' **** and stop being such a fanboy...
Opening all specials like that , especially opening arcane barrier AFTER he went into hide was a mistake no matter how you look at it . Now get off the korean players' **** and stop being such a fanboy...
i dont see it as misstake tbh in korea barrier has only 20-40 sec reuse and it lasts 30sec if it doesnt crit that is a point where it doesnt matter :p
Opening all specials like that , especially opening arcane barrier AFTER he went into hide was a mistake no matter how you look at it . Now get off the korean players' **** and stop being such a fanboy...
you are an idiot, arcane barrier can be used continuously if you care to pay attention
go watch naia mage pvp videos and see how mages do better aoe damage than in martel videos
i dont see it as misstake tbh in korea barrier has only 20-40 sec reuse and it lasts 30sec if it doesnt crit that is a point where it doesnt matter :p
Then Its a freaking DIFFERENT game than the one we play here and he shouldnt even bother post such crap as proof of anything ! :mad:
you are an idiot, arcane barrier can be used continuously if you care to pay attention
go watch naia mage pvp videos and see how mages do better aoe damage than in martel videos
Im in most of these videos , and I can tell you that the the gear of the mages you quote is no where close to what martelx uses currently ( mostly c4 jewellery and a way less tha potent +7 blessed r99 wep compared to those mage's +15 bless r99 or +16 pvp r99 weps .. Fair enough?
I ve got screenshot of hitting those mages in olympiad for 60k dmg and close to 80k ( without br mind you ) outside of oly .
Anyone with decent jewels( simple istina/octavis jewels , im not speaking of blessed epics or something special here) wont get more than 30-40k outside of oly ( inside I dont see anything surpassing 20 either) from these mages , I know I sure didnt.
Juno kills figga in coc.you seriously even think of posting how u want to kill end game toons?seriously?who do you think you are..
Juno killed figga in cooperation with his clanmates. + all of them used books. It was arranged anihilation of coc :D. But dude there is no constant who can be up 7 days/31 for coc to get rid of Figga because he have single toon . He wipes out feohs in 2 hits just to be clear. And Once again Juno is full scripted.
I play both but in this case who is scale better with equipment i would vote archer. It's cheaper to get baium for an archer then wizard istina ring for mage and even then we get better results with yul.
In pvp somehow I receive way more damage on feoh than lower level archer, despite their difference in level and a gear. Never been hit so hard on yul as i were on feoh. But it's not fair to compare them yet, until both will be in equal situation with level and equipment. But so far I would vote for archer being on top, alto from what I understand they will be nerfed in next update.
Juno killed figga in cooperation with his clanmates. + all of them used books. It was arranged anihilation of coc :D. But dude there is no constant who can be up 7 days/31 for coc to get rid of Figga because he have single toon . He wipes out feohs in 2 hits just to be clear. And Once again Juno is full scripted.
I play both but in this case who is scale better with equipment i would vote archer. It's cheaper to get baium for an archer then wizard istina ring for mage and even then we get better results with yul.
In pvp somehow I receive way more damage on feoh than lower level archer, despite their difference in level and a gear. Never been hit so hard on yul as i were on feoh. But it's not fair to compare them yet, until both will be in equal situation with level and equipment. But so far I would vote for archer being on top, alto from what I understand they will be nerfed in next update.
There you have it. i supose this dude can understand how different those classes are. Imo he played feoh and he did right thing chosing yul as dual. And i can say 100% sure he will stay at dual as his main toon. As i can see now he is 97. and already NOW he own 99 feoh's like papers. 100% .
what not realy ?? i join CoC after figga target me 1 skill jump 2 skill hit, i even used disparition guess what, next second i want on camera mode. It's like if u could't use something in 0.0001 secons you doomed. while some tyr or tank can handle 2345738642387 hits and kill feohs in 2 . I have question why someone need feoh if he is NOT treat to anyone just a frag. ?
There you have it. i supose this dude can understand how different those classes are. Imo he played feoh and he did right thing chosing yul as dual. And i can say 100% sure he will stay at dual as his main toon. As i can see now he is 97. and already NOW he own 99 feoh's like papers. 100% .
Well i wouldn't say i own 99 mages with 97 feoh and it mostly boils down to what gear they have. You can easily one-two shot 97 average archer with average mdef but you can do the same on a Yul. Archers just scale better with crit damage, way better.
what not realy ?? i join CoC after figga target me 1 skill jump 2 skill hit, i even used disparition guess what, next second i want on camera mode. It's like if u could't use something in 0.0001 secons you doomed. while some tyr or tank can handle 2345738642387 hits and kill feohs in 2 . I have question why someone need feoh if he is NOT treat to anyone just a frag. ?
its not really true that koreans play a different game, its exactly the same game with another update on top but maybe watch videos from last year to be on equal foot. in oly is is already known that archers have the upper hand but sometimes mages can be difficult for many classes and ive seen them in open pvp on korean servers, hitting 45k+, knowing that they very strong jewels too... since they like to farm so much.
its not really true that koreans play a different game, its exactly the same game with another update on top but maybe watch videos from last year to be on equal foot. in oly is is already known that archers have the upper hand but sometimes mages can be difficult for many classes and ive seen them in open pvp on korean servers, hitting 45k+, knowing that they very strong jewels too... since they like to farm so much.
Just saying that watching these videos is proof of nothing with current state of affairs here , we dont have 10secs crystal forms nor 30secs instant-reuse arcane barriers and all those make a world of a difference to the point its a different game , let alone all that unreal - clan based gear they carry around..
The guy posting korean videos and comparing to NA servers. Its like day and night. Its just altogether different storys. And im sure if we had now all same files and conditions to evolve our toons then some feoh would be nice to play. But now in NA its just a carpet.
The guy posting korean videos and comparing to NA servers. Its like day and night. Its just altogether different storys. And im sure if we had now all same files and conditions to evolve our toons then some feoh would be nice to play. But now in NA its just a carpet.
its mostly because ppl here play for themselves, they are selfish, individualists, they dont work together.... they better start tons of trains than work with others, in detriment of the enemies and the server economy. for the little changes the other guy saw, i told you to watch older videos. the idea is that this game is the same just people play it way different in the west, from pve to pvp, then west complain its not as it should be. its not the files you need, you need ppl that play this game socialist style. besides the company itself, the community has a big role in keeping the servers healthy but i guess both sides are responsible for this corruption... because thats how the western players play games. you had 9 years to get to their lvls of playing, most ppl changed like 20 chars (aka banned) in this time.
Just saying that watching these videos is proof of nothing with current state of affairs here , we dont have 10secs crystal forms nor 30secs instant-reuse arcane barriers and all those make a world of a difference to the point its a different game , let alone all that unreal - clan based gear they carry around..
That still wouldn't help you. The problem is, you wizards (and honestly you archers as well) aren't good enough.
Oh by the way, Tyrr Warriors get insanely boosted again, daggers will 1 shot you consistently, Summoners will hit you much harder and still take little damage from you and Yul Archers get boosted vs Wizards. I bet you're looking forward to that update now.
Face it, you're all hopelessly screwed till the game dies. :)
That still wouldn't help you. The problem is, you wizards (and honestly you archers as well) aren't good enough.
Oh by the way, Tyrr Warriors get insanely boosted again, daggers will 1 shot you consistently, Summoners will hit you much harder and still take little damage from you and Yul Archers get boosted vs Wizards. I bet you're looking forward to that update now.
Face it, you're all hopelessly screwed till the game dies. :)
Not a wizard , used we as in the nc west community.
I think its enough with mages crying arround here,you know your future if you dont,go watch korean fresh videos,posting here wont make a difference we get the patches from Korea in korea people are not so handless to play with 3rd party software or bot and thats why we dont have a decent anti-bot system.
-The End-
my main is a feoh and I've played an archer a little bit as well....and I wouldn't change my feoh for anything there are a lot of similarities between both, like for one both are made for mass pvp....if u know what ur doing 1 on 1 won't be a problem but mass is where ur strongest....
pve is ridiculously easy on a feoh with their aoes, very easy on archer to but I think feohs are better...
lastly...i don't have a problem with most archers, its just knowing how to play it class, crystal form, barrier, and disparation give me a lot of time to kill archers....and these really give u a leg up on them (if u use them smart)
but to me their pretty similar pvp wise in a general way...and for most people whoever gets the jump usually wins
just side note if archer if so bad all DD in that party are archers?
What a coincidence... you all have to be really masochists ;)
nononono archers dont have UE...they cant survive,all other class has hide and UE and lethal, archer don't! Nobody likes to play them...they sux very very hard, they worse than mage, mage gets 1 shot, archer gets half-shot! They also suck for PVE and olympiad too :( ! They must bear the mashochism of overplaying archer, it's too sad that archer is bad bad bad...!
hmm, too many ppl here whining 'cause archers arent OP...ok, but w8, are we playing the same game? Comparing yuls vs feohs is like, hmm, comparing stone vs cocoa butter, really.
With the last update (aka Lindvior), even with all the boost feohs had - debuff landing often, increased range and dmg blablabla -, yuls still do better than them in various aspects, and I'm saying form an Healer's pov. PvE, taking feohs instead of yuls means only a nerf in dmg and killspeed, and in PvP aspect, the survivability of yuls compared to feohs is more than enough to turn tides in any pvp - mass or solo.
For those than refuse to see this scenario, or they just playing blindfolded or just are terrible suckers. period.
archers have always been imbalaced in lineage 2. I still can't understand how an arrow can deal more damage than a sword slash... in real life a sword can decapitate you.
additionally, they have the benefit from being ranged... instead of balance the range benefit with low damage than a melee warrior they give them a higher damage than melee ones. G-T-F-O.
archers have always been imbalaced in lineage 2. I still can't understand how an arrow can deal more damage than a sword slash... in real life a sword can decapitate you.
additionally, they have the benefit from being ranged... instead of balance the range benefit with low damage than a melee warrior they give them a higher damage than melee ones. G-T-F-O.
nononono archers dont have UE...they cant survive,all other class has hide and UE and lethal, archer don't! Nobody likes to play them...they sux very very hard, they worse than mage, mage gets 1 shot, archer gets half-shot! They also suck for PVE and olympiad too :( ! They must bear the mashochism of overplaying archer, it's too sad that archer is bad bad bad...!
You're an idiot, my arguments about them being bad was 110% regarding oly. Somewhere I stated that, or that in open pvp they are good, dont recall.
If archers are so overpowered, please tell me how a tyr or a tank are not overpowerd? Why don't we have a FOTM thread for those classes also?
archers have always been imbalaced in lineage 2. I still can't understand how an arrow can deal more damage than a sword slash... in real life a sword can decapitate you.
additionally, they have the benefit from being ranged... instead of balance the range benefit with low damage than a melee warrior they give them a higher damage than melee ones. G-T-F-O.
i didnt see rl fights with swords and bows so far but in movies you can see those sword fights last long while someone shot at head/neck/heart with an arrow is shot dead xD
The moment you mentioned other classes have UE except archer, nobody can take you seriously after that. Go learn to play your toon.:) 99 with epics and talks about not having UE...i know the game has many bots, but this is just overly silly.
Iss Enchanters are incredibly overpowered. They hit ridiculously hard and they're impossible to kill too.
Discuss.
Nahh iss is ok. Its rly hard to kill him .because this stone skill :D . but iss require skill to play , or good scripts who make handless iss heroes i wont mention names but i supose everyone now this name in naia .
but in fact iss more less balanced toon now. Need to be considered about othel yul sumoner tyr and tank only :D. Even healer's are in their place more or less.
So now yuls are overpowered huh? And here i thought that now some tanks are overpowered with that 6 sec reuse ls.... But i guess that depends on what class victim are playing.
The moment you mentioned other classes have UE except archer, nobody can take you seriously after that. Go learn to play your toon.:) 99 with epics and talks about not having UE...i know the game has many bots, but this is just overly silly.
Reading isn't your strong suit, stick to bashing neutral BRs because anything more might be a stretch for you. Or you are a BR neutral, which would explain. At no point did I claim to not have UE.
"So I have one UE unenchantable, daggers have 2....." - Jarpo
I was going to do an arrangement of quotes that contradict the statement above mine.
Not even worth it.
Actually this thread should die and we should go back to talking about how incredibly OP Iss Enchanters are. I mean seriously, this class just runs soloing parties no problem.
Reading isn't your strong suit, stick to bashing neutral BRs because anything more might be a stretch for you. Or you are a BR neutral, which would explain. At no point did I claim to not have UE.
"So I have one UE unenchantable, daggers have 2....." - Jarpo
Its simple as that if you look whats going on now i tell you every single braindead nab exping yuls :D, doing duals yuls and YUls yuls yuls. Making partys with 3 yuls like Martelx and so on . Soon we wee see all l2 world only yuls hitting you from hide 2 shots and the JAJAJA KOkokok NOob 2 shot. :D Eventualy all feoh will give up their toons and do yuls Or tanks to fight them back. Easy as that.But ofc NCsoft will nerf yul greatly and then QQ will start from all those rerolled Yuls how this happened that yuls is so nerfed :).
Its usual story . repeatin all the time.
99 archer that does not know he can enchant his own skills.
The scripts dont have UE on it or..?
I was going to do an arrangement of quotes that contradict the statement above mine.
Not even worth it.
Actually this thread should die and we should go back to talking about how incredibly OP Iss Enchanters are. I mean seriously, this class just runs soloing parties no problem.
This is what self-proclaimed top players have to offer, a bunch of contradicting or hypocritical non-sense..
IMHO yulls are kind of OP buuuut idk...if they up their ME+FS+BE they can solo a full pt , to not mention that when they open their UE is kinda impossible to hit'em and their new stun land at insane rates (+5 chance is landing kinda 100% on frintezza+coc jewel+resist shock) but maybe i'm just unlucky :p
When i fight them in oly and they open everything i usually try to use hide and run...if they don't land a 50k critical hit XD but i guess it's just mind eye that's op , Accuracy + 40, Critical Rate + 250, and Critical Damage + 130% sounds kinda OP...even 'cause with ME they can hit me with UE+AOD on togheter XD (UE stack with AOD and i'm suppose to have something like 60% + 80 (points or %? mhh) skill evasion)
But whatever , most of the yulls i see around got an even more powerfull skill called Master Card that grant them red bows R95-99 :ae:
The stun is landing 'cos every archer Also has Tezza + top Stun CoC earing + Zaken; after 97 enchanted Bullseye on Break shock. And the last thing is, in 99.99% of the cases ppl don't put Stun Resistance buff on themselves (it stacks with iss buffs). With it almost impossible to land stun on charr with the above mantioned jewels
P.S
Btw i really want them to nerf us hard. For why - many ppl will reroll to something new, insted of just shaming the class; there will be more party activity, not only yul + iss box. And finally when ppl know the class is realy hard nerfed, but still kicks their ***** in oly, they'd understand it wasn't a OP that was killing them, but their own incompetance. Oh and almost forgot - the gear would get a lot more cheaper then now, since very few ppl would be looking for it. :D
IMHO yulls are kind of OP buuuut idk...if they up their ME+FS+BE they can solo a full pt , to not mention that when they open their UE is kinda impossible to hit'em and their new stun land at insane rates (+5 chance is landing kinda 100% on frintezza+coc jewel+resist shock) but maybe i'm just unlucky :p
When i fight them in oly and they open everything i usually try to use hide and run...if they don't land a 50k critical hit XD but i guess it's just mind eye that's op , Accuracy + 40, Critical Rate + 250, and Critical Damage + 130% sounds kinda OP...even 'cause with ME they can hit me with UE+AOD on togheter XD (UE stack with AOD and i'm suppose to have something like 60% + 80 (points or %? mhh) skill evasion)
But whatever , most of the yulls i see around got an even more powerfull skill called Master Card that grant them red bows R95-99 :ae:
Just of curiousity, does any1 else except yuls have already noticed what really the Mind's Eye gives, or you just spam about something you have no idea about. Crit rate and Crit. Dmg from ME doesn't apply to skills. It applys to normal attack only. Don't believe me - go MRT and ask ANY archer to crit hit you with skill with ME and then W/o. You'll see roughly the same dmg. Crit power on skills depends on the str, and skill crit rate depends on the DEX (it's written in the armor Mastery's describtion (http://l2wiki.com/Superior_Light_Armor_Mastery_-_Yul_Ghost_Sentinel)). Also just for your info, with the new stats after GoD every fighter with more then 60DEX has 400+ crit rate at oly.
And last - check the class info for Ghost Sentinels:
Highest P. Atk. among similar classes
Great damage dealt in short time
Just of curiousity, does any1 else except yuls have already noticed what really the Mind's Eye gives, or you just spam about something you have no idea about. Crit rate and Crit. Dmg from ME doesn't apply to skills. It applys to normal attack only. Don't believe me - go MRT and ask ANY archer to crit hit you with skill with ME and then W/o. You'll see roughly the same dmg. Crit power on skills depends on the str, and skill crit rate depends on the DEX (it's written in the armor Mastery's describtion (http://l2wiki.com/Superior_Light_Armor_Mastery_-_Yul_Ghost_Sentinel)). Also just for your info, with the new stats after GoD every fighter with more then 60DEX has 400+ crit rate at oly.
And last - check the class info for Ghost Sentinels:
Highest P. Atk. among similar classes
Great damage dealt in short time
If you say that ME critical damage doesn't work , than explain me how can an archer hit you for 40k without any kind of problem without such a boost ^^
Also , just for your info , critical rate doesn't work in critical skill rate , afaik
I know how's a GS is made , they've always been the ones to land the highest damages , but they was the slowest to hit & run , even GH are the most powerfull DDs among us , but is rare as hell do a 1-hit bloodstab ('cause it land on HP , or it was kinda impossible) , in the old patch we was those able to 1-hit with a back stab , not yuls can 1-hit cp/hp with 1 arrow
If you say that ME critical damage doesn't work , than explain me how can an archer hit you for 40k without any kind of problem without such a boost ^^
Also , just for your info , critical rate doesn't work in critical skill rate , afaik
I know how's a GS is made , they've always been the ones to land the highest damages , but they was the slowest to hit & run , even GH are the most powerfull DDs among us , but is rare as hell do a 1-hit bloodstab ('cause it land on HP , or it was kinda impossible) , in the old patch we was those able to 1-hit with a back stab , not yuls can 1-hit cp/hp with 1 arrow
But they're not OP , they're balanced /sarcasm
level 99
Blessed +4 and above dark R99 bow, full element
at least +7 skills
Siege fire stance.
dual - master's rage
bullseye
You can easily hit light armor for 30k+ crits without anyone else's debuffs and even more damage the more enchanted the skills and bow are.
level 99
Blessed +4 and above dark R99 bow, full element
at least +7 skills
Siege fire stance.
dual - master's rage
bullseye
You can easily hit light armor for 30k+ crits without anyone else's debuffs and even more damage the more enchanted the skills and bow are.
yeah this means 40k+ to a feoh with robes and feoh can be hit always no ue btw just small 3 second cs, feohs only hit hard when they crit but thats like 20-33% depending on caster having wizards spirit on and dark cures. feohs without hit for 15k max with normal stuff on. when feoh takes knights and heavy or wz heavy they lose alot of dps btw.
level 99
Blessed +4 and above dark R99 bow, full element
at least +7 skills
Siege fire stance.
dual - master's rage
bullseye
You can easily hit light armor for 30k+ crits without anyone else's debuffs and even more damage the more enchanted the skills and bow are.
thanks , if it was the set up , i was able to understand such a damage , but i don't understand how i get such criticals by seraph users / R95 bow user , i was fighting once in oly a lolorc yul , i was about to win , he switched on his UE , i missed about 10+ skills in a row , i switched on UE+AOD , he missed 1 skill and landed 3 in a row , and the last one was a 24k critical , same in open field pvp , i was pvping , aod on , archer without anything , critical , 20k.
btw , i don't really care, when i pvp archers i wait for their skills (usually UE) to switch off , so i ****'em , but sometimes they really land insane criticals :|
If you say that ME critical damage doesn't work , than explain me how can an archer hit you for 40k without any kind of problem without such a boost ^^
Also , just for your info , critical rate doesn't work in critical skill rate , afaik
you said it yourself, crit rate doesnt ork for skills, now think its the same for crit damage buffs. only blow skills (othell) are affected by crit damage.
99 archer that does not know he can enchant his own skills.
The scripts dont have UE on it or..?
I'm sorry I miss typed UE instead of hide, please tell me how I'm suppose to waste a daggers 2x 40 second UEs and 80(?) second hide with my 30 second hide and my 40 second UE.
Yull OP ? LOOOL.
Yull skill eyes mind reuse 10 min and Feoh Use Dualcaster and other bufs in 2 min ?
Yull reuse Stun 20/40 seconds. Tank/Tyr/dager reuse stun 3/8seconds ?
Yull teleport Reuse 8/35sec Feoh Teleport 4s ?
Yull use teleport in fail Floor and skill canceled Feoh no canceled.
Healers OP/ Tanks OP/ Tyrs OP with more stuns and more barriers lol Yull only have 1 UE and 1 destarget teleports are **** reuse high. And imposible run Speed lol and all clas have skills for traped.
Finally someone who understands. Every other class has much much better ways to survive and debuff or disable a target. Our stun reuse is like 30 seconds, Quickfire is now 1 minute, teleports that dont work, and a flash every 40 second.
Again if your losing to an archer of equal level and similar gear you are aweful. /Thread
thanks , if it was the set up , i was able to understand such a damage , but i don't understand how i get such criticals by seraph users / R95 bow user , i was fighting once in oly a lolorc yul , i was about to win , he switched on his UE , i missed about 10+ skills in a row , i switched on UE+AOD , he missed 1 skill and landed 3 in a row , and the last one was a 24k critical , same in open field pvp , i was pvping , aod on , archer without anything , critical , 20k.
btw , i don't really care, when i pvp archers i wait for their skills (usually UE) to switch off , so i ****'em , but sometimes they really land insane criticals :|
lol .. every real archer has ++++ skills at least from 95. All my passives were +10 at lvl 93 instead of wasting money in useless epics like baium (here the 30% crit dmg again applys only on normal attack, same for the AQ). And no, not a single NC coin was purchased; all is legit epics farm and pendants from treasure chests before Lindvior:)
Also keep in mind DE archer isn't like human one. DEs can easily surpass 120STR w/o effort. And when you add passive lvl 13 Duel Might augment, you get pretty descent dmg even from a low lvl archer
Believe it or not, there is a difference between +95% and 95%.
yea it is but then you have to rely on correct translation. even if this one is correct pretty sure the majority of pluses are randomly inserted in this game because where it should be a + there isnt most of the times (saw that on epic jewels and such)
Finally someone who understands. Every other class has much much better
ways to survive and debuff or disable a target. Our stun reuse is like 30
seconds, Quickfire is now 1 minute, teleports that dont work, and a flash
every 40 second.
I'm afraid some yuls in this thread should indeed follow yunie's advice and learn how to play their class :)
Your description about yuls debuff/disabling capability and survivabily rather suits the feoh more and not the yul
As for the "yul if OP" thread ... ppl forgot to mention few extra utilities for this class
like frontal teleport (quick charge) having longer teleportation range and shorter casting time than feoh's one, also ppl forget
that yul with passive skill can reflect debuffs (if I'm not mistaken yul is the only dd with such passive skill)
yul can have cleanse from thunderhawk ... can be usefull enough for some pve and small 1vs1 types of pvp
traps... another of yul skills i didn't read so much in this thread, very helpfull in pve and slow trap can be of use in small pvp as well.
Aside from stun shot, other "debuff"-shot skills weren't so much mentioned also, like slow & recoil shot , both with
decent casting speed,land rate & damage(slow shot debuff has 1 min duration ? for a ranged dd class .... http://boards.lineage2.com/images/icons/icon14.gif )
lure shot & decoy... 2 skills that weren't much discussed , can be usefull in pve
and skilled yuls should know how to make use of lure shot at least during pvp
Let's not forget yul's chance to lethal .... other ranged classes like feoh/wynn don't have any skill for lethaling their target :eek:
For high-end mass pvp yuls can deal also heavy dmg with their aoe skills, and while feoh is often refered as best ranged aoe class even in pvp
yul's multiple and phoenix arrow got a larger range than the 2 feoh aoe nukes
Pvp wise, yul is one of the few classes that can operate/take advantage of all the 3 harmonies as well
Pve is a large part of l2, so yul's (over)firepower and gameplay is another subject that should be discussed too
As for previous posts from archers claiming that yuls aren't OP at all (some claimed that's underpowered even)
the only things to be assumed is that those players either play slowly and with
3~5 buttions ( with other skills being just cosmetic for them) or they are perhaps automated (with bad automation)
I'm afraid some yuls in this thread should indeed follow yunie's advice and learn how to play their class :)
Your description about yuls debuff/disabling capability and survivabily rather suits the feoh more and not the yul
As for the "yul if OP" thread ... ppl forgot to mention few extra utilities for this class
like frontal teleport (quick charge) having longer teleportation range and shorter casting time than feoh's one, also ppl forget
that yul with passive skill can reflect debuffs (if I'm not mistaken yul is the only dd with such passive skill)
yul can have cleanse from thunderhawk ... can be usefull enough for some pve and small 1vs1 types of pvp
traps... another of yul skills i didn't read so much in this thread, very helpfull in pve and slow trap can be of use in small pvp as well.
Aside from stun shot, other "debuff"-shot skills weren't so much mentioned also, like slow & recoil shot , both with
decent casting speed,land rate & damage(slow shot debuff has 1 min duration ? for a ranged dd class .... http://boards.lineage2.com/images/icons/icon14.gif )
lure shot & decoy... 2 skills that weren't much discussed , can be usefull in pve
and skilled yuls should know how to make use of lure shot at least during pvp
Let's not forget yul's chance to lethal .... other ranged classes like feoh/wynn don't have any skill for lethaling their target :eek:
For high-end mass pvp yuls can deal also heavy dmg with their aoe skills, and while feoh is often refered as best ranged aoe class even in pvp
yul's multiple and phoenix arrow got a larger range than the 2 feoh aoe nukes
Pvp wise, yul is one of the few classes that can operate/take advantage of all the 3 harmonies as well
Pve is a large part of l2, so yul's (over)firepower and gameplay is another subject that should be discussed too
As for previous posts from archers claiming that yuls aren't OP at all (some claimed that's underpowered even)
the only things to be assumed is that those players either play slowly and with
3~5 buttions ( with other skills being just cosmetic for them) or they are perhaps automated (with bad automation)
I dissagree with you only on one point,about the blinks they may have less casting time if not the same with feohs but feohs are way better than yuls ones,yuls ones at least are bugged till epeisodion..they have good range but cant use them like feohs ones.any yul that plays oly knows that very well,not to mention their big reuse compared to feohs
P.S hate you feohs that you have more speed than Yul now :(
that depends, yul ms still has higher speed, especially if he is elf too
problem with feoh speed buff is that it stops your char completely when you get hit, its like someone land root skill on you.
yul teleports arent bad with the right harmony and what problem he has that feoh doesnt? yes you cant teleport everywhere, the terrain is bugged in many spots in this game or the game consider there is no space to do that.
still bugged even on some areas like that place before spicula's teleport device or sos upper close to cemetery..annoying coz you see yourself back and front again any skill you use gets interupted..annoying stuff
I'm afraid some yuls in this thread should indeed follow yunie's advice and learn how to play their class :)
Your description about yuls debuff/disabling capability and survivabily rather suits the feoh more and not the yul
As for the "yul if OP" thread ... ppl forgot to mention few extra utilities for this class
like frontal teleport (quick charge) having longer teleportation range and shorter casting time than feoh's one, also ppl forget
that yul with passive skill can reflect debuffs (if I'm not mistaken yul is the only dd with such passive skill)
yul can have cleanse from thunderhawk ... can be usefull enough for some pve and small 1vs1 types of pvp
traps... another of yul skills i didn't read so much in this thread, very helpfull in pve and slow trap can be of use in small pvp as well.
Aside from stun shot, other "debuff"-shot skills weren't so much mentioned also, like slow & recoil shot , both with
decent casting speed,land rate & damage(slow shot debuff has 1 min duration ? for a ranged dd class .... http://boards.lineage2.com/images/icons/icon14.gif )
lure shot & decoy... 2 skills that weren't much discussed , can be usefull in pve
and skilled yuls should know how to make use of lure shot at least during pvp
Let's not forget yul's chance to lethal .... other ranged classes like feoh/wynn don't have any skill for lethaling their target :eek:
For high-end mass pvp yuls can deal also heavy dmg with their aoe skills, and while feoh is often refered as best ranged aoe class even in pvp
yul's multiple and phoenix arrow got a larger range than the 2 feoh aoe nukes
Pvp wise, yul is one of the few classes that can operate/take advantage of all the 3 harmonies as well
Pve is a large part of l2, so yul's (over)firepower and gameplay is another subject that should be discussed too
As for previous posts from archers claiming that yuls aren't OP at all (some claimed that's underpowered even)
the only things to be assumed is that those players either play slowly and with
3~5 buttions ( with other skills being just cosmetic for them) or they are perhaps automated (with bad automation)
well, among all thes advantages of yul you mentioned one dissadvantage alltogether. that "blink forward" with higer range is realy terrible thing in oly, there is only so much space to use it :) other than that i do agree that you are strong class
Well despite yul's blinks being buggy, and feohs are the same actually as this game was not designed with blinks in mind, well geared yuls can still 1-2 shot well geared feohs with skill criticals, well geared feohs can't do the same but can kill yuls in one yoke duration if UE isn't up.
The good thing is, with a well time crystal form, a feoh can escape and come back to kill the Yul once cooldowns are going but as everyone comes with stacks of BSOEs and olympiad is a closed area, its a moot point.
My doubts is... it's work vs a Wynn? (Marks and bla bla bla)
I did 1 duel me yul 95 vs 1 Wynn 93, and with Final UE he still give me all Debuff
Someone know about this? Or just Wynn are bugged with 1000% magic accuracy? :3
Yes it still works, i can see my debuffs landing less often against UE. It doesnt not make target immune, you can still get unlucky. AFAIK if you have a 30% base to resist this debuff, you get 95% from this 30% if im not wrong.
I'm sorry I miss typed UE instead of hide, please tell me how I'm suppose to waste a daggers 2x 40 second UEs and 80(?) second hide with my 30 second hide and my 40 second UE.
Dagger is suposed to own archer, what are you talking about?
You're not suposed to waste daggers buffs, you're suposed to be ***** by them. And you put yourself mentioning you're on "feoh" level, which you aren't, by any means.
that depends, yul ms still has higher speed, especially if he is elf too
yup, i think yul moonlight sentinel can reach ~275 constant speed with clan passive skills and sonatas.
Your description about yuls debuff/disabling capability and survivabily rather suits the feoh more and not the yul
Ye, yul isnt a crowd controller, feoh is more crowd control class, the problem is that, as Yamino mentioned, you need rly good reflexex and timing which make feoh rly hard to use, time is something you do not have on a feoh if you're close to oponent lol
I'm afraid some yuls in this thread should indeed follow yunie's advice and learn how to play their class :)
Your description about yuls debuff/disabling capability and survivabily rather suits the feoh more and not the yul
As for the "yul if OP" thread ... ppl forgot to mention few extra utilities for this class
like frontal teleport (quick charge) having longer teleportation range and shorter casting time than feoh's one, also ppl forget
that yul with passive skill can reflect debuffs (if I'm not mistaken yul is the only dd with such passive skill)
yul can have cleanse from thunderhawk ... can be usefull enough for some pve and small 1vs1 types of pvp
traps... another of yul skills i didn't read so much in this thread, very helpfull in pve and slow trap can be of use in small pvp as well.
Aside from stun shot, other "debuff"-shot skills weren't so much mentioned also, like slow & recoil shot , both with
decent casting speed,land rate & damage(slow shot debuff has 1 min duration ? for a ranged dd class .... http://boards.lineage2.com/images/icons/icon14.gif )
lure shot & decoy... 2 skills that weren't much discussed , can be usefull in pve
and skilled yuls should know how to make use of lure shot at least during pvp
Let's not forget yul's chance to lethal .... other ranged classes like feoh/wynn don't have any skill for lethaling their target :eek:
For high-end mass pvp yuls can deal also heavy dmg with their aoe skills, and while feoh is often refered as best ranged aoe class even in pvp
yul's multiple and phoenix arrow got a larger range than the 2 feoh aoe nukes
I want from that weed too !!! lol - Quick charge with faster reuse then feoh's blink.
Now if we start stating all the skill every class has, then every class can be claimed as OPed. And btw, what is that megical passive skill that reflects debuffs that only yuls have it?!?!? Recoil shot does ~300-500 DMG in PVP, except for when used on 5lvl lower charr w/o a single buff.
About the half kill - that's the only thing that left- put half kill on the summoners, cos you know, they don't have aerial yoke already, nor cages, nor marks with perma use and ludacrisly high debuffing effects.
to conclude all the thread spam - i'm not saying Yuls are underpowerd, but atm they're equally powered to the summoners and daggers. Feohs, at least in 1v1 oly style, are just underpowered compared to every other single class. In mass pvp they have nothing to QQ about IF they fianally learn to teamplay.
I want from that weed too !!! lol - Quick charge with faster reuse then feoh's blink.
Now if we start stating all the skill every class has, then every class can be claimed as OPed. And btw, what is that megical passive skill that reflects debuffs that only yuls have it?!?!? Recoil shot does ~300-500 DMG in PVP, except for when used on 5lvl lower charr w/o a single buff.
About the half kill - that's the only thing that left- put half kill on the summoners, cos you know, they don't have aerial yoke already, nor cages, nor marks with perma use and ludacrisly high debuffing effects.
to conclude all the thread spam - i'm not saying Yuls are underpowerd, but atm they're equally powered to the summoners and daggers. Feohs, at least in 1v1 oly style, are just underpowered compared to every other single class. In mass pvp they have nothing to QQ about IF they fianally learn to teamplay.
Superior Mental Attack Resistance.
I want from that weed too !!! lol - Quick charge with faster reuse then feoh's blink.
Now if we start stating all the skill every class has, then every class can be claimed as OPed. And btw, what is that megical passive skill that reflects debuffs that only yuls have it?!?!? Recoil shot does ~300-500 DMG in PVP, except for when used on 5lvl lower charr w/o a single buff.
About the half kill - that's the only thing that left- put half kill on the summoners, cos you know, they don't have aerial yoke already, nor cages, nor marks with perma use and ludacrisly high debuffing effects.
to conclude all the thread spam - i'm not saying Yuls are underpowerd, but atm they're equally powered to the summoners and daggers. Feohs, at least in 1v1 oly style, are just underpowered compared to every other single class. In mass pvp they have nothing to QQ about IF they fianally learn to teamplay.
Reading back the part you quoted up from @Jihatt, I'm pretty sure he did mean "casting time" - time to casting a skill, what's alot different from "reuse time" - time to a skill do its recharge and be usable again. And 'cause I have dualclass feoh, I can confirm mage's blink is far more "previsible and interruptable" than archer's charges - feohs yet perform a 2s animation before concluding the skill, and it's even worse if the player has a wtf PC configuration stats, 'cause he probably will get a 3-5s black screen!! Also, I'm concerned Recoil isnt there just for the sake of damage, but for the debuff (disabler) it brings along with - push the target back and interrupt a previsible action - like while Iss is attempting to cast BR, or healer attempting to cast Celestial/Rebirth, or Tyrr attempting to do Revival and so on, sorry I dont play the class and can recall more on things. The same from Stun and Slow shots - their debuffers its what really matters, the ubber dmg attained to them its just a prove of their total imbalance. And about the debuff reflect chance, I thought only Tank and Healer would have this passive, but once more devs proved all of us are just a bunch of masochist fools. :o
my 2 cents (my coffee is about to end and I need some more)
P.S.: I still dont understand how an ARCHER can be better at lethaling ppl than a DAGGER (who, by desing, would be the only one doing it right and left). :p :rolleyes:
Reading back the part you quoted up from @Jihatt, I'm pretty sure he did mean "casting time" - time to casting a skill, what's alot different from "reuse time" - time to a skill do its recharge and be usable again. And 'cause I have dualclass feoh, I can confirm mage's blink is far more "previsible and interruptable" than archer's charges - feohs yet perform a 2s animation before concluding the skill, and it's even worse if the player has a wtf PC configuration stats, 'cause he probably will get a 3-5s black screen!! Also, I'm concerned Recoil isnt there just for the sake of damage, but for the debuff (disabler) it brings along with - push the target back and interrupt a previsible action - like while Iss is attempting to cast BR, or healer attempting to cast Celestial/Rebirth, or Tyrr attempting to do Revival and so on, sorry I dont play the class and can recall more on things. The same from Stun and Slow shots - their debuffers its what really matters, the ubber dmg attained to them its just a prove of their total imbalance. And about the debuff reflect chance, I thought only Tank and Healer would have this passive, but once more devs proved all of us are just a bunch of masochist fools. :o
my 2 cents (my coffee is about to end and I need some more)
P.S.: I still dont understand how an ARCHER can be better at lethaling ppl than a DAGGER (who, by desing, would be the only one doing it right and left). :p :rolleyes:
Its all exactly how u said :) low casting speeds. Aerial joke is just a joke easy avoidable, interuptable skill which is easy disabled and with those 3rd party programs its even more easy its so easy to avoid that you even can remove it from your pannel :D . Feoh problem he cannot cast many skilss instantly.Its probably only one class with such delays in skill casting.Wind rider is a joke aswell what else class stops when some yul hit u with arrow ? :D. Unbelievable. And those crit damages from yuls ? its just a joke of developers.
Ok, my fault for missing it in the describtion for the Superior Mind Resistance, but Healers and tanks also have it, and it's not only yul skill
About the Quick charge and quick evasion skills - yes they've fast cast, but, the slightest bump on the ground can interupt them at any time. Also, every archer will confirm this, if you target and attack something right after Quick Charge, the animation sends you back at the start spot, then black screen you right on the place where you attacked and drops your target. And i guess this is not a bug, since it's been with us from the very GoD launch. And one more thing i cant understand - why everybody started QQ-ing now, when they nerfed the dmg. Why no1 cried when the siege fire stance used to give 40% Crit Dmg and crits like 120-160k with ME+Raps in pvp were something normal ?!?!?
Ok, my fault for missing it in the describtion for the Superior Mind Resistance, but Healers and tanks also have it, and it's not only yul skill.
afaik,someone said "Yul is the only DD that has chance to reflect skills back"