Best Healer?

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Thinking of starting a healer, and would like some opinions on which would be the best choice. Thanks.
There's no really a best one or worst one, but more likely which one you are more comfortable with , regarding to your play style, since the differences between the 3 of them are slightly and barely makes any difference.

What are the options, well it depends of what kind of play style you want.

I asked myself the same question when I had to choose (when lidnvior came out with class diversification ).

What I did was to read some tips in some forums threads:

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=236348
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=262712

The differences between then:



Aeore Cardinal (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Aeore_Cardinal) Divine Prayer (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Divine_Prayer) For 30 minutes, party receives buff to increase effectiveness of HP recovery magic by 5% Miraculous Benediction (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Miraculous_Benediction) Fully restores party members' HP/CP. Can be used when MP is under 50%. Purification Field (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Purification_Field) Cancel all the debuffs of nearby clan members.
Aeore Eva's Saint (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Aeore_Eva%27s_Saint) Mass Mana Gain (Aeore Eva's Saint) (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Mass_Mana_Gain_%28Aeore_Eva%27s_Sa int%29) For 30 minutes, party receives buff to increase recharge amount by 33. Superior Quick Recovery (Aeore Eva's Saint) (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Superior_Quick_Recovery_%28Aeore_E va%27s_Saint%29) Skill reuse time is decreased by 5%.



Aeore Shillien Saint (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Aeore_Shillien_Saint) Mass Mana Gain (Aeore Shillien Saint) (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Mass_Mana_Gain_%28Aeore_Shillien_S aint%29) For 30 minutes, party receives buff to increase recharge amount by 33. Mental Recharge (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Mental_Recharge) Restores target's MP. Superior Wizard Combat (http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Superior_Wizard_Combat) M. Atk. +10%. M. Skill MP Consumption -10%.

Source : http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=Aeore_Healer

Cardi is said to be suitable and good for clan team play due healing recovery. EE is said goode for reuse skills, and SE is said to be good for PVP due his M.Atk and skill comsuption. (As you can see from the list above)

Take care of mana, since lindvior when comes to recharge mana to party members, either individual recharge or massive one, it consumes considerable amount of mana and can get you drained easily and fast for not paying attention. (Until you have skills enchanged which reduces the cost considerable when being at max).

And finally the only way to learn it's through the hardest way, random partys (you learn way much from fails than when things are easy with people who knows how to play. I level up mine with just random partys m specially tough ones with noobs and reckless DD's , but it makes you skilled as hell . Oh and of course, we can't forget the unwritten rule , healer's fault always if party fails lol ).
If you just make sure you are fully buffed, aka wizard harmony and sonatas, not only melodies, you dont actually lose much from doing the group recharge. I think I might even gain a hundred or more mp from it.

Join a clan with lvl 3 holy squad. If the clan dont have it, leave it, you are wasting your time in that clan.

And like DraDec said, join lots of random parties in the beginning, they mess up more frequently than clannies will do, and will make sure you learn to stay calm when -_- hits the fan, and not panic. They will also teach you how to spot the players that made no real effort to gear themselves. But dont worry, you dont have to make any real effort to keep them alive either. You cant heal 1 shots, or stupid.
If you just make sure you are fully buffed, aka wizard harmony and sonatas, not only melodies, you dont actually lose much from doing the group recharge. I think I might even gain a hundred or more mp from it.

Join a clan with lvl 3 holy squad. If the clan dont have it, leave it, you are wasting your time in that clan.

And like DraDec said, join lots of random parties in the beginning, they mess up more frequently than clannies will do, and will make sure you learn to stay calm when -_- hits the fan, and not panic. They will also teach you how to spot the players that made no real effort to gear themselves. But dont worry, you dont have to make any real effort to keep them alive either. You cant heal 1 shots, or stupid.

I always like u post, not as some "clever" people who copypaste, and give opinion w/o any clue.

I have played humans, DE, LE with and w/o dyes , robe, light, acumen or mana up or both, Holy squad,not holy squad, pve and pvp.
I think Cardinal is like an ISS OL, is not efective w/o clan party and if u pvp with Cardi -not clan member- long pvp you will failed because mp. Many cardinals dont use progresive because try save mp party could die for it, add Knight harmo and its 0 mp in 3,2,1 xd. This can be fixed but requires many practice, and spend in items, skills enchant cost,etc.
My main is Light elf and im Shilien Saint, i think is very good mix.
LE SS better than LE ES, but DE SS not better than LE ES. All depends
how much u work in u char, and how much are u able to die and die to learn what u do good or wrong for fix it or improve or stop doing it.
PS:I really hate Cardinals who only made rebirth, never crystal, no mana Up ,use Knight and Hvy if u CANT play properly a char DONT,probably my opinion about cardi is so worst because those players.
Well if you wear heavy, there should be no need for knight harmony.

PVE that is.
If you just make sure you are fully buffed, aka wizard harmony and sonatas, not only melodies, you dont actually lose much from doing the group recharge. I think I might even gain a hundred or more mp from it.

Join a clan with lvl 3 holy squad. If the clan dont have it, leave it, you are wasting your time in that clan.

And like DraDec said, join lots of random parties in the beginning, they mess up more frequently than clannies will do, and will make sure you learn to stay calm when -_- hits the fan, and not panic. They will also teach you how to spot the players that made no real effort to gear themselves. But dont worry, you dont have to make any real effort to keep them alive either. You cant heal 1 shots, or stupid.

But Sunshine has almost all the level 5 general clan skills and Holy Squad 2 for each clan (main has level 3 which I am unfortunately not a part of) squad.

Randoms have taught me how to heal and keep people alive (and by extension myself alive). In clan CP I rarely need to heal and can go semi-afk cause they make healing a no brainer for me.
^ Partying with randoms is a nice activity, afterall. Everytime they push you to your extreme limits, assuring you in the process how much cool, kind and selfless person you can be... or not.
Main question si - for what you need your healer? If you are pure PvE player then it really doesnt matter and i would love to say that SE is good choice. But if you want be PvP healer then Cardinal/EE is best option. And because fot this you kinda need be in clan, i really cant believe that i've read here that Cardinal is kinda sux. Many Cardinals dont use progresive? What? Just kick that guy! ALso if you don't know how play healer in pvp - don't do pvp. I was Shilien Saint and now i'm Cardi and trust me, Cardinal is best healer for pvp.
What makes Cardi better than Evas Saint in pvp?

Just curious.
What makes Cardi better than Evas Saint in pvp?

Just curious.
If your party do PvP you always have two healers, let me say Cardi + EE is best option. For me personaly is Cardinal more interesting than EE and i really love mass heal/mass cleance. Both skill saved me and my party lot of time in pvp. Also both skills are very good for mass pvp. So i do like Cardi more than EE even if cool down is cool.
Main question si - for what you need your healer? If you are pure PvE player then it really doesnt matter and i would love to say that SE is good choice. But if you want be PvP healer then Cardinal/EE is best option. And because fot this you kinda need be in clan, i really cant believe that i've read here that Cardinal is kinda sux. Many Cardinals dont use progresive? What? Just kick that guy! ALso if you don't know how play healer in pvp - don't do pvp. I was Shilien Saint and now i'm Cardi and trust me, Cardinal is best healer for pvp.

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we think the same.
this last updte pvp 5min is ...who care healer class xd.
If your party do PvP you always have two healers, let me say Cardi + EE is best option. For me personaly is Cardinal more interesting than EE and i really love mass heal/mass cleance. Both skill saved me and my party lot of time in pvp. Also both skills are very good for mass pvp. So i do like Cardi more than EE even if cool down is cool.

all healers got mass heal/mass cleanse
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we think the same.
this last updte pvp 5min is ...who care healer class xd.
Well honestly after this i dont even bother read what you say.

And im sure people got what i mean with mass cleance and mass heal. But since you have no clue about healers i wont even bother myself and explain you.
all healers got mass heal/mass cleanse

Not clan ones...
What makes Cardi better than Evas Saint in pvp?

Just curious.

Not better. Just useful utility spells in mass PvP when coordinated correctly.
Thinking of starting a healer, and would like some opinions on which would be the best choice. Thanks.

Imo if healer (as a class) reflects your real life supportive manners in game, if you like being supportive guy, it should be all fine. Personally I'm a defensive guy, trying to balance things out. Learning a healer is a tough road, in every different situation trying to find the correct way of doing things.

Having that said, trying different things will drain your mana faster, until you find a way of playing that suits you best, you will need at least a Requiem weapon with mana up as a second SA. Holy quad is kind of a must if you have a tyrr or feohs in party. Be sure to carry mana potions with you, used every two minutes will make you wonders trying to keep up with mana.

If you are a starter, I think you should start with Shillien Saint. It will provide you more mana in the long run. Especially useful in cases when your random party members just smash the keys and slurp all their mana (god I hate that :P ). If you can invest some money on gear at start of your journey, you can go with Eva Saint. It is better in battleground than Shillien Saint, but worse in olympiad where you can go fully offensive, deal more damage while not running out of mana.

good luck!
read again
we think the same.
this last updte pvp 5min is ...who care healer class xd.
I have a fraps of PvP which lasts 30 min.
Cardinal is best healer for pvp.
You are wrong. Nothing can beat reuse of skills.
Are the differences between Cardinal and SS so dramatic? I was reading some topics here and it seems people like more Cardi.

My situation: I'm Feoh Storm Screamer 85, 1. sub was PS, 2. sub was PR and 3. sub and dual will be... I think SE to complete my race :o but not decided yet.
To be "the best healer" you need at least 10.2k pdef and a good ammount of hp (45k or more), regular healers 99 (like me) have 6,3k pdef and die in one/2 hits from rogue 99 (some rogues land 50k damage in one hit and bypass CP).

There is no secret for healing, all 3 healers are basic the same. Who is the best? No one. The best gear determine the best healer. If you put this 3 classes with the same gear to fight to each other, the lucky of critical hit and critical skills will determine the winner.

ATM fast reuse > matk.
To be "the best healer" you need at least 10.2k pdef and a good ammount of hp (45k or more), regular healers 99 (like me) have 6,3k pdef and die in one/2 hits from rogue 99 (some rogues land 50k damage in one hit and bypass CP).

There is no secret for healing, all 3 healers are basic the same. Who is the best? No one. The best gear determine the best healer. If you put this 3 classes with the same gear to fight to each other, the lucky of critical hit and critical skills will determine the winner.

ATM fast reuse > matk.

Bad comparison of healers bro.

Who cares how they fight eachother? Ppl care how they fight others...
Bad comparison of healers bro.

Who cares how they fight eachother? Ppl care how they fight others...
If is opponent is rogue 99 and you have less than 7k pdef: 1 hit and you will die. If you have 50k hp and 10k or more pdef you can heal yourself and heal you party and try to stay alive. 90% of healers of all servers die in one hit for rogues. This feature was implemented in "rogueliance".

Other classes, heal yourself and heal you party and try to stay alive.
In oly, debuff the opponent with backfire, when opponent is out of mp attack.


If you have too much power than your opponent, just kill him.
If is opponent is rogue 99 and you have less than 7k pdef: 1 hit and you will die. If you have 50k hp and 10k or more pdef you can heal yourself and heal you party and try to stay alive. 90% of healers of all servers die in one hit for rogues. This feature was implemented in "rogueliance".

Other classes, heal yourself and heal you party and try to stay alive.
In oly, debuff the opponent with backfire, when opponent is out of mp attack.


If you have too much power than your opponent, just kill him.

Pls dont respond to me if you dont bother reading the post.

I didnt ask you how to survive daggers.

I was asking you about your comparison of the 3 healers, where you proposed an answer to the question of best healer, by assuming it would be determined by a fight between the 3 classes, when noone will ever pvp healers 1v1 outside of oly, its a waste of time and resources...

If you are having trouble reading/understanding my posts, ask for help, or ask me to dumb it down for you...
In intense situations Bishop simply because he can heal more.
In situations where pvp lasts (e.g castle defender) SS because he can get maximum assistance from an ISS Dominator.

Evas could be better but so many skills have fixed cooldown that they lose their trump.
question about bishop heals...
does prayer affect heal over time, and % based heals?
or just straight heal like brilliant heal, and panic heal?

does it affect fairy of life, and sustain?

i've been curious about this for some time, but don't know many Cardi'.
question about bishop heals...
does prayer affect heal over time, and % based heals?
or just straight heal like brilliant heal, and panic heal?

does it affect fairy of life, and sustain?

i've been curious about this for some time, but don't know many Cardi'.
Prayer does not affect fairy, only enchant to power does.
In intense situations Bishop simply because he can heal more.
In situations where pvp lasts (e.g castle defender) SS because he can get maximum assistance from an ISS Dominator.

Evas could be better but so many skills have fixed cooldown that they lose their trump.

while leveling to 97 i could only find 1 skill with fixed cd on healer..
just for the sake of understanding: for pve you dont need much to be a good healer, as you'll be using only 1 worht main heal skill (aka Progressive Heal) which have a high mp, then SS Aeore here is the master PVE healer (no need worry with reuses, matck, casting blabla, all are worthless in the big scheme). For PvP, instead, you will focus more on power based heals (aka Panic, Radiant - lol, someone even use it? -, Brilliant heals) which have a fixed power amount that will be increased by the Cardi's exclusive buff - divine prayer, 15% add on top of that final heal, but w/e. Alas that Cardis still have the Miraculous Benediction skill, that at 99 works like a semi-rebirth (full hp/cp) for ALL CLANNIES NEAR HIM.

Then this is the reason, if you play almost 100% on a mass pvp clan, the combo Cardi + EE is undoubtable to be taken as soon your CP have the oportunity.

And @Colorado, switch that gear of yours to heavy, at least you have a relief with a bit more of pdef. I was addicted to light before on my aeore, and I went from 95 till 98 struggling to be alive whenever my party faced some pvp, until I gave up and got a heavy set and, praise the lord!, with average lvl 3 buffs I have almost 8k pdef, with divine elixir + no daring sonata, almost over 10k easily, more if I manage to stalk the tank 24/7 to get iron aura on.

Sadly, there's no point to wear light atm even if you r 99 with some decents AP - the set sucks, gonna be real. At 99, its another history with the robe + AP twists, but I have no will to play my healer for now, so I'll have to wait a bit more.
while leveling to 97 i could only find 1 skill with fixed cd on healer..

I can find more: ress, mass ress, rebirth, salvation... never payed attention if celestial/party celestial is affected, but w/e... a way far from only 1, dont ya see? :p


question about bishop heals...
does prayer affect heal over time, and % based heals?
or just straight heal like brilliant heal, and panic heal?

does it affect fairy of life, and sustain?

i've been curious about this for some time, but don't know many Cardi'.

No, it doesnt. Fairy isnt a power based heal (I mean, with a strict and explicit power add to it), and I and everyone but devs really dunno how that skills demands its heals at all (%, fixed amount, HoT?); only % based heal is progressive heal, and again, it aint affected by prayer or sustain, either; and at least, sustain has a fixed heal over time added to a % increasing in incoming heals, and along with RP, BP (oe to +HP, so given a % heal back when casted) and BL (fixed HoT), they arent affected by prayer nor sustain itself.

Althought that the combo Div Prayer + Sustain is quite powerful. Its a perma 45% more heals on any squishy soul.
I can find more: ress, mass ress, rebirth, salvation... never payed attention if celestial/party celestial is affected, but w/e... a way far from only 1, dont ya see? :p
The celes and brilliant purge don't have fixed cooldowns, FYI.
The celes and brilliant purge don't have fixed cooldowns, FYI.

I knew about brilliant purge, and now thinking about the celestial, like I said before, whatever, since it wont matter at end.

Working to get less than 1min cd on celestial/party celestial is worthless and dumb, since that freaking nice "debuff" is placed there everytime to refrain the early ones. :rolleyes:
just for the sake of understanding: for pve you dont need much to be a good healer, as you'll be using only 1 worht main heal skill (aka Progressive Heal) which have a high mp, then SS Aeore here is the master PVE healer (no need worry with reuses, matck, casting blabla, all are worthless in the big scheme). For PvP, instead, you will focus more on power based heals (aka Panic, Radiant - lol, someone even use it? -, Brilliant heals) which have a fixed power amount that will be increased by the Cardi's exclusive buff - divine prayer, 15% add on top of that final heal, but w/e. Alas that Cardis still have the Miraculous Benediction skill, that at 99 works like a semi-rebirth (full hp/cp) for ALL CLANNIES NEAR HIM.

Then this is the reason, if you play almost 100% on a mass pvp clan, the combo Cardi + EE is undoubtable to be taken as soon your CP have the oportunity.

And @Colorado, switch that gear of yours to heavy, at least you have a relief with a bit more of pdef. I was addicted to light before on my aeore, and I went from 95 till 98 struggling to be alive whenever my party faced some pvp, until I gave up and got a heavy set and, praise the lord!, with average lvl 3 buffs I have almost 8k pdef, with divine elixir + no daring sonata, almost over 10k easily, more if I manage to stalk the tank 24/7 to get iron aura on.

Sadly, there's no point to wear light atm even if you r 99 with some decents AP - the set sucks, gonna be real. At 99, its another history with the robe + AP twists, but I have no will to play my healer for now, so I'll have to wait a bit more.
+1 for first part. About rest, atm only AP matter. If you have like 16 AP with full HP setup + correct pvp setup (rose, stew etc) there is big difference. I've been played in hvy set for quite long time but now i play in pvp only in robe.
For the last time - nothing can beat reuse. No lol +15 % heal and especially no purification field with reuse of 7 mins :D
For small scale PvP against not top parties cardinal can be the choice. But in all situations (previously described including) EE is way better choice.
question about bishop heals...
does prayer affect heal over time, and % based heals?
or just straight heal like brilliant heal, and panic heal?

does it affect fairy of life, and sustain?

i've been curious about this for some time, but don't know many Cardi'.

skills that get boosted with prayer;
progressive, panic, brilliant
skills that doesnt get a boost;
balance, sustain, tree and fairy
skills that get boosted with prayer;
progressive, panic, brilliant
skills that doesnt get a boost;
balance, sustain, tree and fairy

That's wrong. Divine Prayer works like the old Prayer, so only affects power based heals, like Panic, Radiant and Briliant.

Divine Prayer: For 30 min., party members' HP heal amount + 15%.

Take that word into consideration. For being a % based heal, everytime a healer cast progressive heal, he wont heal each and any target with the same amount of hp, 'cause there's some variants into the proccess: the healthy target to be used as pillar, the amount of injuried allies around, the most injuried pt member etc. This way, everytime a healer that casted progressive can heal either by 50 or 50k HP back (since it depends of those variants, and easily seen when you cast it on npcs like inside kartia solo, where sometimes you can heal over 100k).

Talismans, caster capacity, OE weapon, matck... nothing influence the power of progressive heal, or it will be pretty ******* if it would.

EDIT: SCROLL DOWN AND READ MY LAST POST BELOW.
That's wrong. Divine Prayer works like the old Prayer, so only affects power based heals, like Panic, Radiant and Briliant.



Take that word into consideration. For being a % based heal, everytime a healer cast progressive heal, he wont heal each and any target with the same amount of hp, 'cause there's some variants into the proccess: the healthy target to be used as pillar, the amount of injuried allies around, the most injuried pt member etc. This way, everytime a healer that casted progressive can heal either by 50 or 50k HP back (since it depends of those variants, and easily seen when you cast it on npcs like inside kartia solo, where sometimes you can heal over 100k).

Talismans, caster capacity, OE weapon, matck... nothing influence the power of progressive heal, or it will be pretty ******* if it would.

i tested it myself.
13k heals w/o divine prayer
15k with divine prayer using PROGRESSIVE HEAL
13k+15%(divine prayer) = 15k
seems correct to me

just to be sure i healed a char other than myself
10.3k w/o 11.8k with divine prayer

nothing but divine prayer could explain this boost in heal power considering i didnt change armor/weap use talisman or make any changes apart from casting prayer and removing it.

just to be clear, i cast the progressive heal with ONLY the person getting healed in the vicinity (no PC or NPC near)

go make the test yourself before you reply
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go make the test yourself before you reply

Just to ask: while you are in trouble making the test, why not took the time to make some screenshoots?

It's not like I'm doubting or something, but that would make your reply a bit more coherent. Unless picking numbers is enough, if so, then nuffin' to say :p

Anyway, ty for the info. something new added to the hornbook.

p.s.: I cant make a test like this, 'cause I dont have or care enough about Cardinals.
I can test it tonight. I will post also screens.
Ok, so regarding to what @divergent (http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3416146&postcount=36) stated about Progressive Heal being currently affected by % increase heal amount buffs, I've made a test myself:

Character: 98 Aeore Shillien Saint, unbuffed, firstly only equiped with R95 Specter Buster +4 Acumen, self target progressive heal with no randoms/party members around.

1st test (http://i.imgur.com/lYU5pvC.jpg): no armor, no jewels, no bracelets/shirts, unbuffed, bss off. Base HP of 7680; total restored by PH = 3072 (40% of max hp);

2nd test (http://i.imgur.com/GeK9tGZ.jpg): no armor, no bracelet/shirt, bss off, equiped with Zaken's Earring (http://l2wiki.com/Zaken%27s_Earring). Base HP of 7680, total restored by PH = 3379 (a slighty increase of ~9% of the initial amount);

3rd test (http://i.imgur.com/A2up0Nr.jpg): no jewels, no bracelet/shirt, bss off, unbuffed, equiped with R95 Seraph Robe (magic type - increase of 10% heal amount passive). Base HP of 12014, total restored by PH = 5286 (40% of max hp ~around 4805 + increase of 10% of the initial heal);

4th test (http://i.imgur.com/2j2wifx.jpg): equiped with Seraph Robe, Zaken's Earring (http://l2wiki.com/Zaken%27s_Earring), bss off, unbuffed. Base HP of 12014, total restored by PH = 5814 (an increase of 20% (10+10) of the initial heal ~4805 HP).

Conclusion: the % bonus applies over the initial heal amount made by progressive heal, and they stack.

Oddly and funny, then this means a Cardinal can max up to +50% his self heal with progressive heal (Orfen Soul (http://l2wiki.com/Orfen%27s_Soul_Earring) = 10%, Blessed Zaken (http://l2wiki.com/Blessed_Zaken%27s_Earring) = 15%, Divine Prayer (http://l2wiki.com/Divine_Prayer_-_Aeore_Cardinal) = 15% and Robe passive = 10%).

*Since really I havent a Cardinal nor I was actively playing my toon to bother someone else to come and buff me, I just did this with gears and their passive bonus - although L2Wiki has a outdated r95 seraph robe description.
well my oppinion is cardi is the best healer for mass pvp, and i think anyone cant refute it, mass clan cleanse and mass clan full cp/hp FTW

everyone with more than 2 neurons would know that those in middle of mass pvp will make a huge difference than +5% skill cooldown or more m.atk for sure
Ok, so regarding to what @divergent (http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3416146&postcount=36) stated about Progressive Heal being currently affected by % increase heal amount buffs, I've made a test myself:

Character: 98 Aeore Shillien Saint, unbuffed, firstly only equiped with R95 Specter Buster +4 Acumen, self target progressive heal with no randoms/party members around.

1st test (http://i.imgur.com/lYU5pvC.jpg): no armor, no jewels, no bracelets/shirts, unbuffed, bss off. Base HP of 7680; total restored by PH = 3072 (40% of max hp);

2nd test (http://i.imgur.com/GeK9tGZ.jpg): no armor, no bracelet/shirt, bss off, equiped with Zaken's Earring (http://l2wiki.com/Zaken%27s_Earring). Base HP of 7680, total restored by PH = 3379 (a slighty increase of ~9% of the initial amount);

3rd test (http://i.imgur.com/A2up0Nr.jpg): no jewels, no bracelet/shirt, bss off, unbuffed, equiped with R95 Seraph Robe (magic type - increase of 10% heal amount passive). Base HP of 12014, total restored by PH = 5286 (increase of 10% of the initial heal);

4th test (http://i.imgur.com/2j2wifx.jpg): equiped with Seraph Robe, Zaken's Earring (http://l2wiki.com/Zaken%27s_Earring), bss off, unbuffed. Base HP of 12014, total restored by PH = 5814 (an increase of 20% (10+10) of the initial heal).

Conclusion: the % bonus applies over the initial heal amount made by progressive heal, and they stack.

Oddly and funny, then this means a Cardinal can max up to +50% his self heal with progressive heal (Orfen Soul (http://l2wiki.com/Orfen%27s_Soul_Earring) = 10%, Blessed Zaken (http://l2wiki.com/Blessed_Zaken%27s_Earring) = 15%, Divine Prayer (http://l2wiki.com/Divine_Prayer_-_Aeore_Cardinal) = 15% and Robe passive = 10%).

*Since really I havent a Cardinal nor I was actively playing my toon to bother someone else to come and buff me, I just did this with gears and their passive bonus - although L2Wiki has a outdated r95 seraph robe description.

Dont forget you can have the tank put up Recovery aura for another 10% also.

You forgot to mention you had clan advent buff up as well, HP/MP recovery bonus +5. Or is that just hp/mp regen tick?
^ yup, I forgot about the tank aura. So in total, up to 60%

I think the clan advent buff is regarding to recovery, like the hp tick recovered while standing/sitting/walking or so - something like the hp regeneration passive buff. I just found out it's impossible to manually erase the rudolph's blessing, lol.
To not be forgotten : Sustain

30% bonus, so ~90%
well my oppinion is cardi is the best healer for mass pvp, and i think anyone cant refute it, mass clan cleanse and mass clan full cp/hp FTW

everyone with more than 2 neurons would know that those in middle of mass pvp will make a huge difference than +5% skill cooldown or more m.atk for sure
So in first part you say that mass cleanse is important and in the second part you prefer to have clan cleanse once per 7 min and refuses decrease mass cleanse from 30s to 25 s?

Reuse >>>>>> anything
So in first part you say that mass cleanse is important and in the second part you prefer to have clan cleanse once per 7 min and refuses decrease mass cleanse from 30s to 25 s?

Reuse >>>>>> anything

exactly and im not talking only about clan cleanse, also about clan full cp/hp FTW
With so many ways to cleanse in a pvp party (minimum 2 healers), I dont see how the clan cleanse would be even remotely benificial, or how one would properly communicate the use of it.

Likewise I have a hard time seeing how you would properly set up full hp/cp for clan every 7 minutes, when said party can already set up full hp/mp/cp every 5 minutes (2 healer minimum).

Sorry, but reuse > all.
With so many ways to cleanse in a pvp party (minimum 2 healers), I dont see how the clan cleanse would be even remotely benificial, or how one would properly communicate the use of it.

Likewise I have a hard time seeing how you would properly set up full hp/cp for clan every 7 minutes, when said party can already set up full hp/mp/cp every 5 minutes (2 healer minimum).

Sorry, but reuse > all.

ok, i will try to be more clear

we are talking about mass pvp right, i guess so, couse if we talk about clan cleanse and clan full cp/hp i understand about a mass pvp

first purification field (clan cleanse) is 5mins42secs reuse, at least for me and miraculous benediction (clan full cp/hp) is 10mins reuse

second if you are in a mass pvp, lets say a 3 or 4 pts, even better, on a siege with i dont know, maybe 8 or 10 pts, and lets say you have half of healer cardinals, so we are talking about 8 to 10 cardis, you think that in the middle of the casting room when you are figthing for getting other's castle, those 8/10 extra cleans that affect entire clan, and those 8/10 extra "rebirth" that also affect all the clan will not make any difference?
im talking of having in the best scenario, 10 to 12 "rebirths" every 10 minutes

i dont see it bad, at all, if you are talking about 1v1 or 7v7 ok, for sure the dark elf would be better, but in mass pvp, im pretty sure is not


about "when" to use those clan skills, well is not so hard, in the middle of the battle, when you see some mass debuffs as suspencion, mass silence, mass petrify, mass bullseyeor any mass debuffs you can use it and help your healers mates in their work, and for the "rebirth", well in the middle of the battle, as soon as i have it ready to be used i use it, or you never use progressive to heal and help your other pts?

buuuuuuuut if you still think reuse > all, its ok, everyone is free to think what ever they want, and ofc noone is owner of the truth, in my point of view, giving my reason i think cardi is the best for mass pvp
Actually he is right, because it's purge what wins. I'm Cardinal, i love this class and for me is best of healer but less reuse on purge - win. In 7v7 and in mass PvP also. But as i also said - best combo is cardi + EE.

I wont argue about mass pvp and clan skills, because they helps a lot.
Helping other healers to heal their parties, you say.

But I have no idea of any of their hp. Feels like it would be a waste alot of the time, but I still do it.

However, restoring full hp/cp would just be cast on a hunch that maybe ppl need it. There is no easy way to maximize use of it.

With reuse, the maximized use is always there. Faster cleanses ALL the time.
Helping other healers to heal their parties, you say.

But I have no idea of any of their hp. Feels like it would be a waste alot of the time, but I still do it.

However, restoring full hp/cp would just be cast on a hunch that maybe ppl need it. There is no easy way to maximize use of it.

With reuse, the maximized use is always there. Faster cleanses ALL the time.

5 secs? sorry i dont see a real impact on it, as far as i know, any healer is spamming mass purge as soon as he have it ready, maybe im wrong, but at least, i try to keep it for certain circunstances to not get interrupted, like rebirth, res, mass res, pr or when my pt got some mass debuff
You dont see a real impact of 5 seconds less cooldown on a skill that REMOVES ALL DEBUFFS and MAKES YOU IMMUNE as a side-effect.

Can someone from Nova please link him to any of the videos where u can actually hear the communications, so he can see how important the skill is (could be one or two of jarpos movies, but I could be wrong, was a while since i saw them)?

Those videos should make it quite obvious to just about anyone playing a healer in pvp, why the whole party needs to know what they are doing to protect the healers.
You dont see a real impact of 5 seconds less cooldown on a skill that REMOVES ALL DEBUFFS and MAKES YOU IMMUNE as a side-effect.

Can someone from Nova please link him to any of the videos where u can actually hear the communications, so he can see how important the skill is (could be one or two of jarpos movies, but I could be wrong, was a while since i saw them)?

Those videos should make it quite obvious to just about anyone playing a healer in pvp, why the whole party needs to know what they are doing to protect the healers.

Ok m8 you are right but i still love my cardi
Purge is really usefull. It's not only about debuffs like gloom, para, stun but it's also about immunity against hate etc. Enemy also can't cancel your ress, br, nocturne and other skills when you have purge up. So as i said, purge win.
You dont see a real impact of 5 seconds less cooldown on a skill that REMOVES ALL DEBUFFS and MAKES YOU IMMUNE as a side-effect.

Can someone from Nova please link him to any of the videos where u can actually hear the communications, so he can see how important the skill is (could be one or two of jarpos movies, but I could be wrong, was a while since i saw them)?

Those videos should make it quite obvious to just about anyone playing a healer in pvp, why the whole party needs to know what they are doing to protect the healers.

Not in Nova but I happened to know of one of the ones you were referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su8rCKidkR0. And for anyone that want's to use this to say I'm a Nova fanboi here's another vid ( first one to do this I think ) that stresses communication during PvP ( not so much on the healing as it was simpler back then ) with Enmity beating on Nova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ_7pXNXuhM.

There is no best healer it's situational, but for PvP it's been EE + Cardi since the day balance life entered the scene, which was like C3, so pretty much forever.

That being said the answer here is really easy, the best healer is the one that keep's you and your party alive when all is said and done. :D
...the best healer is the one that keep's you and your party alive when all is said and done. :D

Pretty much summ this discussion up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su8rCKidkR0.

Btw, I wonder what's the deal with that black screen in the middle of the video.
Btw, I wonder what's the deal with that black screen in the middle of the video.

The video is from the second Battle Tournament, its just the start box before and as the match's are starting.
The video is from the second Battle Tournament, its just the start box before and as the match's are starting.

I know about the video transition fading to black, but I mean this black screen (http://youtu.be/su8rCKidkR0?t=9m19s), that occurs while the fight is still going on.
It's just probably video error ;)
I know about the video transition fading to black, but I mean this black screen (http://youtu.be/su8rCKidkR0?t=9m19s), that occurs while the fight is still going on.

Tis not mine, you would have to ask Jarpo. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say his video on his frap's froze up for a little under 4 second's, it happen's sometimes. If he had the vent going as a audio live feed as it sound's like, he would leave it in instead of doing a quick splice to leave the audio whole. It was less then 4 second's, so not like we missed anything.
Omg. You finally acknowledge the importance of reuse and you still insist on cardi/ee combo...
Cardi is probably very good PvE healer, but nothing can beat EE in PvP. Reuse is the key word and that is why 2 EEs PvP parties have got advance over any other healers combination.

And also crit rate is not marginal thing. LE EEs are simply the best healers around.
No way, sir. Dont try to take the least (and last) spot we SE had on this game atm. PvE is all about ours, go away!

@BigBubbles: nvm, in reality we can hear the conversation going on - nothing that will fade the good fight that was going on, anyway.
You cant heal 1 shots, or stupid.



Awesome!! Best comment EVER, especially the stupid part. Love your straight to the point no-nonsense and sometimes sarcastic wit Smittie.
I dont sugarcoat stuff, I'm not Willy Wonka :D