Is the dagger so important to you ? You are Othel on dualclass, lvl 87 ?
If you got apo dagger with double SA, you are fine for very long time...
If you dont have any dagger and you want to focus on pvp, you can think about S-S80 single dagger. Lower the dagger grade means cheaper augmenting, cheaper SA and on the contrary lower crit. dmg bonus from SA.
eg. Dynasty Knife(S-grade) - 285 S-gemstone to make SA and SA adds 559 p.atk during crit. attack.
vs
Skull Edge(S80-grade) - 1073 S-gemstone to make SA and SA adds 1000 p.atk during crit. attack.
also the price to delete or add augment is different.
Ama shaper is worth when its blessed, double SA and you got also dark stone or you are going to get one in future.
augments: pasive duel might (adds 5% pvp p.atk bonus)
pasive reflect (if you get also active, which will be usefull for both your main & dual, you will be fine).
Conclusion, if you are not planning to play mostly your dualclass, and you also got apo shaper, you should focus on your main class weapon & augment.
//the Gemstone amounts were lowered in Valiance so I would go for S80 dagger for pvp
35 S-gem for vesper SA...
I play and enjoy both classes and I want to have a decent set up with both. It will take time, so it's a good reason to figure out some plans.
I've already got a Vesper Cutter as a final weapon, since P.Atk isn't really a factor as a tank. Then I come back to my dual and start wondering which would be a good weapon for the future.
I have Req.Duals DmgUp which serve me well while lvling, but I can buy an ApoShaper selling my duals and that brings me here with these questions. Should I go ApoShaper and make it 2SA in the future? Should I go DualApo (more expensive)? or S-S80 are really good PvP weapons as they are for tanks? I also know about the augmenting advantages on S weapons
I don't have too much Adena, so I try to get some information before taking some decisions. If an ApoShaper-2SA is a good weapon for a 95 dagger, then I could get my own single Apo and get the SA on the future, or maybe the DualApo worth the extra money and I should wait some more.
depends what you prefer, the price to make S80 with SA, 300 atribute is not so low (making 150>300 is really pain in comparison to R+ grade)
For pvp I think apo +4 2 SA and vesper +0 (with SA and pvp) is almost the same (R grade has bonus for +4 OE, vesper +0, + 7 is not big difference, p.atk is not what matters for pvp much).
I bet your half kills will be good even with c-grade dagger.
Bro i not lake to be rude but this question is so common and is in forum almost every 10-15 days, here is a lot of other thread's with answer of same point. Any new topic will not collect all info what you may get if just check this forum (othell) and lake Rubi post link Juji test is so powerful, only of your ability what you may get from that in list depend what is good for you... for oly and open pvp best is dark r99 / +15 or more / 2sa (haste + gaudance/focus)/ +300 / pasive augment pvp p attack but that cost to much what no one may imagine
I know the top weapons are insanely expensive, but they aren't my goal :P
Anyway, thanks for the help. Sometimes it's kind of exhausting to read this forum (not Othell but general) since 90% of the post are trash talk and I would prefer to have a first hand answer. The link is really useful
About single vs duals, I've read that duals only worth if you OE them. Is that the case or what should I consider?
I know the top weapons are insanely expensive, but they aren't my goal :P
Anyway, thanks for the help. Sometimes it's kind of exhausting to read this forum (not Othell but general) since 90% of the post are trash talk and I would prefer to have a first hand answer. The link is really useful
About single vs duals, I've read that duals only worth if you OE them. Is that the case or what should I consider?
you will be good in PVE with +4 apo damage up +300, all after that not word to invest , for pvp you need single dager to use single dager pasive mastery...
you will be good in PVE with +4 apo damage up +300, all after that not word to invest , for pvp you need single dager to use single dager pasive mastery...
Yeah, but I mean, why would a Single dagger be better than Dual about PvP, if they both have the same Mastery effect
Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and vital spot attack success rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.
Is just for single dagger
Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and vital spot attack success rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.
This go to both dagger/dualdagger shakazuluPP is wrong.
In my opinion single dagger r grade with haste +focus us better for oly because u need the atck speed and. The critical rate..
For pvp I chose dualdaggers.. You are always in party so you will have 1500 atckspeed and 500 crit rate.. So the sa from single dagger are useless at pvp. But with dual dagger dmg up + focus(for the +%pvp dmg) you will hit harder in pvp because with more patck you will hit more with normal attacks and skills. All skills say with power added to patck so don't say p atck doesn't affect the dmg. Hope I helped.. I say dualdagger for pvp single for oly.. But the difference is not mush.. Just go what u like.. If u have enough money for apo dual go make them. If no apo single will do just fine.. Just do what u like you can be effective with both
Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and vital spot attack success rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.
This go to both dagger/dualdagger shakazuluPP is wrong.
In my opinion single dagger r grade with haste +focus us better for oly because u need the atck speed and. The critical rate..
For pvp I chose dualdaggers.. You are always in party so you will have 1500 atckspeed and 500 crit rate.. So the sa from single dagger are useless at pvp. But with dual dagger dmg up + focus(for the +%pvp dmg) you will hit harder in pvp because with more patck you will hit more with normal attacks and skills. All skills say with power added to patck so don't say p atck doesn't affect the dmg. Hope I helped.. I say dualdagger for pvp single for oly.. But the difference is not mush.. Just go what u like.. If u have enough money for apo dual go make them. If no apo single will do just fine.. Just do what u like you can be effective with both
Valiance patch notes
Changes to existing skills
Bottom of the page
Though I really haven't noticed a change.
Fixed an issue where the Dual Dagger mastery would not properly increase the Vital Spot attack rate. (patch notes)
Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and vital spot attack success rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.
Hmm, so just the vital spot part looks like changed (added to dual mastery) from that what is written in patch notes.
Sry for my unacquaintance.
And I'm using Dual right now and get the "skills will reset or the duration double" effect while exping.
Probably I'll end up with a single dagger, but thanks everyone, I've made a better idea about what I can use :rolleyes:
That's what I was trying to find.. I couldn't and I started think I was going crazy.. now to all..
BLUE goes for both daggers and red for only the one of the descritpion.. So guys saying atck speed and vital spot , reset and duration of skills From STR only occures when using single dagger... Well its time to change your minds