We will be disabling the Daichir NPC for the Earth Wyrm Trasken Raid until further notice. It seems there were some issues with the spawning of this event that need to be investigated and worked out.
Additionally, the Teleport Device for the Kelbim Raid will be disabled along with it. This is in effect for all servers.
Keep an eye on this thread for any updates.
Edit 14Jul: I've got another update for you all.
We're also disabling the 3 field raid bosses (Transformed Dartanion, Spicula Negative, and Garden Patrol Captain) as well in connection with this issue. I'll keep you updated as I get more information.
We will be disabling the Daichir NPC for the Earth Wyrm Trasken Raid until further notice. It seems there were some issues with the spawning of this event that need to be investigated and worked out.
Additionally, the Teleport Device for the Kelbim Raid will be disabled along with it.
Keep an eye on this thread for any updates.
All servers or just chronos? Cuz at naia didnt have any luck about perma raids :/
if not, then next time there is an exploit everybody is going to do it not just a few people...
everybody on the server of chromos knows who the exploiters were cuz they can just check the hero monument... if you don't take action im scared next time there is an exploit the entire chromos server will more than likely participate.
d3 bans exploiters, wow does, aion, tera, archeage.. I hope l2 is the same.
according to the eula this is not an exploit....sry
ya clearly trasken has no respawn timer and can be farmed 24/7 for all eternity that is why trasken rings r worth like 15bil and the exalted quest is so difficult to complete. all the level 99-102's in ur clan clearly didn't know trasken really had a respawn timer of 14 days after playing the game for 6+ years.
18. You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://help.ncsoft.com (http://help.ncsoft.com/).
(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect each and every time You use the Service. You acknowledge that NCSOFT may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time. You also acknowledge that each and every time You click "I ACCEPT" You warrant and represent that You did read, understand and accept the most recent version of the Rules of Conduct in effect at that time.
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clearly this was a breach of eula. I expect action to be taken, especially since none of the people abusing it sent it reports to support. if others haven't found out about it and send it support tickets who knows how long they would've kept on abusing this exploit.
I'm sure all of the ppl doing that raid that many times knew they were exploiting. Unless ofc they are mentally handicapped, then they could have been unaware I guess.
Trasken has a "respawn timer" of every other weekend from the time you killed it the previous every other weekend. Beleth has a respawn timer of 7 days. Kelbim is I dunno, 7? 8? If you have killed these bosses twice or more in a time that spans less than the respawn timer, congratulations, see the posts linked above posts regarding your personal pwnT reward.
We will be disabling the Daichir NPC for the Earth Wyrm Trasken Raid until further notice.
By completely disabling Daichir's ability to talk to players you have made it impossible to do the lvl 80+ "Lucien's Altars" daily quest, the standard method for legit players to earn shot money: one circle through the Mithril Mines, no need to kill anything aka no shots consumed, after deduction of teleportation fees a net income of 700,000 adena per day.
Please talk to your technical people and ask if it is possible to keep the "Quest" link on Daichir's dialogue screen active and only disable his Trasken functions.
By completely disabling Daichir's ability to talk to players you have made it impossible to do the lvl 80+ "Lucien's Altars" daily quest, the standard method for legit players to earn shot money: one circle through the Mithril Mines, no need to kill anything aka no shots consumed, after deduction of teleportation fees a net income of 700,000 adena per day.
Please talk to your technical people and ask if it is possible to keep the "Quest" link on Daichir's dialogue screen active and only disable his Trasken functions.
I always wondered why people leveled up 500 dark elf wynn summoners in WoA. Now I know! 500*700k a day is some adena + all the other quests I guess lol. O well..
Well, I can only speak for Naia, and there you see those Dark Elf Wynn Summoners from the Wall of Argos only in the Monastery of Silence and at the Lilith/Anakim raids. In the Mithril Mines you will encounter mostly old players with clan tags, of all races and classes, many of whom I have seen around since the Teon days. People doing the "Lucien's Altars" quest - as opposed to buying adena from RMT sites or directly from botters by selling them L2Store items - are in their majority really legit players who get hurt by this half-hearted attempt to stop an exploit.
The correct solution to the problem at hand would have been to kill the exploiters. People do what they do because they are what they are, and precisely because they are what they are, they will again and again do what they do. The only thing you can do for them is to relieve them from their suffering in a terminal way. Delete the exploiters' accounts and make sure that they never play an NCsoft game again!
Standard server maintenance will be performed.
I guess Secret Ninja Patches still keep comming ... Events, NPC's, Respawn Scripts, Epic Raids and all other things do not break without a reason ... You can say whatever you want, but every Maintenance something is wrong or broken ... So it was not just alone the Server Transfers ... It seems most of the EPIC Worlds Bosses and some Field RAIDS are experiencing the same effects. I guess NCsoft is trying to boost the server economy a bit?
18. You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://help.ncsoft.com (http://help.ncsoft.com/).
(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect each and every time You use the Service. You acknowledge that NCSOFT may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time. You also acknowledge that each and every time You click "I ACCEPT" You warrant and represent that You did read, understand and accept the most recent version of the Rules of Conduct in effect at that time.
(b) If You violate the Rules of Conduct then NCSOFT may, in its sole and absolute discretion, terminate Your Account under Section 3(b).
clearly this was a breach of eula. I expect action to be taken, especially since none of the people abusing it sent it reports to support. if others haven't found out about it and send it support tickets who knows how long they would've kept on abusing this exploit.
These are made to be break (This is why NCsoft Makes little to protect this game! It is so rotten and boring of BOT) <- than think burn their dollars now it's too late will be done before labor ... :cool:
Now what is left of our dear players, from what I see !
(90% subsister are) cheaters, resellers, i see just business adena, items epic, scamming (swindler of all kinds) almost all clan are full of bot.
It really is time for NCSoft to do something serious :D
"give me the power if you are unable"
By completely disabling Daichir's ability to talk to players you have made it impossible to do the lvl 80+ "Lucien's Altars" daily quest, the standard method for legit players to earn shot money: one circle through the Mithril Mines, no need to kill anything aka no shots consumed, after deduction of teleportation fees a net income of 700,000 adena per day.
Please talk to your technical people and ask if it is possible to keep the "Quest" link on Daichir's dialogue screen active and only disable his Trasken functions.
I totally agree! Lucien's Altar daily quest is my main income to earn adena for my shots!!!
Can u please disable only Trasken?
18. You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://help.ncsoft.com (http://help.ncsoft.com/).
(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect each and every time You use the Service. You acknowledge that NCSOFT may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time. You also acknowledge that each and every time You click "I ACCEPT" You warrant and represent that You did read, understand and accept the most recent version of the Rules of Conduct in effect at that time.
(b) If You violate the Rules of Conduct then NCSOFT may, in its sole and absolute discretion, terminate Your Account under Section 3(b).
clearly this was a breach of eula. I expect action to be taken, especially since none of the people abusing it sent it reports to support. if others haven't found out about it and send it support tickets who knows how long they would've kept on abusing this exploit.
Well , there it is , i have pictures in witch some people used hero voice telling all server there is a but !!! U are not alow to do that so pls gms fix it !!
you people ever consider we asked gm about this new revelation and got response to go ahead and kill it?
when killing a raidboss that is up, where is the exploit? there was no cheat to enter, nothing was broken by the player. But I see the confusion....so all players that entered the dimensional on the wrong day need to get banned too.
this isnt a player problem, its a GM/game problem and no player should ever have penalty due to GM/game problem...thats their problem.
and they can fix their problem however they see fit, but should not be at loss of player...but who knows, not my job.
Im saying the way this game works with all its ninja patches/server side updates you cant be sure whats suppose to happen.
If someone says I already asked gm and the gm said if its up kill it, why wouldnt I kill it?
or should I stand there and watch someone else kill it? game is a competition of sorts. if it wasnt suppose to happen that way Im sure its easy for gm's to fix.
Im saying the way this game works with all its ninja patches/server side updates you cant be sure whats suppose to happen.
If someone says I already asked gm and the gm said if its up kill it, why wouldnt I kill it?
or should I stand there and watch someone else kill it? game is a competition of sorts. if it wasnt suppose to happen that way Im sure its easy for gm's to fix.
I love when people don't understand the difference between "Bug" and "Exploit". The way the game is meant to play is already stated. If I was able to continuously (without any passes) do Kartia , this is a bug and needs to be reported. The next part is that, if I decide to continue to do Kartia after fully knowing it has a reuse of 1 day, I'm now exploiting (taking advantage of) this bug.
NCSoft won't do anything we already know this. They refuse to do what's correct and BAN the players that took part in this "Bug". Then again they would have to actually care about the players and the people that keep them running.
Congrats to the people that exploited the bug and got tons of drops. A slap on the wrist is coming, but I do hope NCSoft west does the right thing here. Since they are unable to remove the items that was gained from Trasken, most were sold, the people that sold the items and did the raid should be ban. The funny part is that if they remove the items from game (even the ones that got sold), it'll be breaking the game as they like to say "We are unable to assist you when the items were moved, sold or destroyed."
If someone says I already asked gm and the gm said if its up kill it, why wouldnt I kill it?
or should I stand there and watch someone else kill it?
Yes, you should stand there and take screenshots of those others waiting to port in and killing it, then forwarding said screenshots to the Game Surveillance Unit so that they can punish the exploiters.
so who can show me the respawn times on the raidbosses in writing somewhere? I am disabled permanently so sry if I sound sarcastic/stupid. I am not ashamed of it.
edit...I didnt benefit in any way, I hate doing rb's, so dont accuse me of benefiting from anything :)
so who can show me the respawn times on the raidbosses in writing somewhere? I am disabled permanently so sry if I sound sarcastic/stupid. I am not ashamed of it.
edit...I didnt benefit in any way, I hate doing rb's, so dont accuse me of benefiting from anything :)
LOL Voo, you are tooooooooooo funny. I love it! Stop drinking the Kool-Aid man.
so who can show me the respawn times on the raidbosses in writing somewhere? I am disabled permanently so sry if I sound sarcastic/stupid. I am not ashamed of it.
Please don't tell me that you got to lvl 100 without being aware of this. You knew fully well that the respawn was irregular and that what you were doing was wrong, even with your Traumatic Brain Injury.
By completely disabling Daichir's ability to talk to players you have made it impossible to do the lvl 80+ "Lucien's Altars" daily quest, the standard method for legit players to earn shot money: one circle through the Mithril Mines, no need to kill anything aka no shots consumed, after deduction of teleportation fees a net income of 700,000 adena per day.
Please talk to your technical people and ask if it is possible to keep the "Quest" link on Daichir's dialogue screen active and only disable his Trasken functions.
i'm glad someone cares about us players who don't buy adena !!! finally , i mean it's as if the entire game is going to be made in such a way for players who don't buy adena to be forced to do it! it's honestly becoming annoying like hell to do this! what's next? we have to pay adena after killing each mob ? it's not enough that it goes so bad the way it is we really need more adena nerfs right!?!? this daily quest is only bringing 700KK adena each time and the 300-400 adena drops per mob are simply too **** high right!?!? it's not as if they have 2-3-4 BILLION per item in each single Auction House right!?! and since the gardens are the only place where you can farm if you're lucky enough to reach 90 and still get buffs i guess nerf and delete that whole area too since they are forcing us to buy it so we won't be able to make a single LEGIT adena piece right!?!?! honestly , either you fix this issue and bring back path of awakening mod so people can bot,farm be legit and screw what everyone else is doing or better stop "inventing" fictional rewards for extreme exploiters who in the end are only trying to ruin the game for the rest of us.
some are already 99 and think that no one else deserves to reach that level without paying huge amounts of cash that's the real issue.
my message is L2STORE is ENOUGH of a boost . either make L2STORE LEGAL Adena purchases because the game wants me to buy it from the L2STORE either fix this **** problem already because it's been going on ever since this game came to the market!
this game is turning into a massive SOLO player HATE event in which they try to ruin even the virtual environment "FUN" element and getting the proper gear and that **** shining armor that everyone else made " 140% legit" .
so who can show me the respawn times on the raidbosses in writing somewhere? I am disabled permanently so sry if I sound sarcastic/stupid. I am not ashamed of it.
edit...I didnt benefit in any way, I hate doing rb's, so dont accuse me of benefiting from anything :)
just for your info Voo
so they all know what to do, idk if it worth that, will see, maybe ill be next person that will do same in future :)
I always forget, but common sense has been lost since playing this game so long. I still have not figured out kelbim respawn.
Im just trying to have discussion while Im bored. And I never did trasken since last week.
my point obviously is not understood, so I will leave it alone. I understand your points I just dont agree with them. its ok to disagree, Im not trying to change your position, just saying what my position is, and obviously that doesnt mean its 100% right. many times I have been wrong.
When people multiple enter spezion before when it was bugged that received a temp ban for it. This would be a similar situation I would assume. However, it's up to the GMs to decide how it should be handled. Even though I didn't take advantage of the multi spawns I agree that its not the players fault the the spawn timer was broken. No manipulation of gaming code or anything was done to enter was just a mistake by ncsoft on how often to make boss spawn.
When people multiple enter spezion before when it was bugged that received a temp ban for it. This would be a similar situation I would assume. However, it's up to the GMs to decide how it should be handled. Even though I didn't take advantage of the multi spawns I agree that its not the players fault the the spawn timer was broken. No manipulation of gaming code or anything was done to enter was just a mistake by ncsoft on how often to make boss spawn.
this more along my point. how does a competitive player not know this done on purpose to help crappy economy? and if gm already said kill it?
and it game wide, not just on chronos? maybe it done on purpose is my point? but since it has now been addressed as mistake, we know for sure its bug now.
this isnt the same as when all those weapons got overenchanted and none of those players got banned.
2 much bla bla and less pew pew
if the npc say - you can enter and kill mob - you are entering and killing it
it`s not me who decide when the npc will allow anyone to kill a mob
it`s like discusion about the drop rate, slow leveling or other
that is the game - do what you can and try to have fun
if you dont know law its not mean that you will not be punished, follow your logic you can kill all ppl around because you dont know that its prohibited lol..
And law here is eula, you agreed with that each time you login to the game
U all really think they are so dumb to keep going on it when every1 was shouting and petition it?
Theres something else going thats why they did "troll"u all entering yesterday so many times and bragging about on hero voice.
they must be really dumb them just log and check heros monuments nothing else ;)
that dont showup without kill it.
when they was discover tactics was enter pr with main and keep killing with boxes, here where u think they just play dumb
just fun fact see they naked around too guilty ? hahaahaha this is just (insert your GOT gif here)
it is not possible that this has happened will not responsible punished in Chronos, where he made steady excursions to take advantage of this flaw, we want a nonsense answer this violation of watering that were committed by these profiteers.
It is obvious that drops influence on the game economy and enjoys an infringing minority.:mad:
some ppl take serious advantage from the bug
they was aware about the bug and they continues
they win a lot of items and adena with the bug, if the ppl who take advantage dont get ban, they win
alll the server was informated about the bug, and only a group take adventage about it, or this group of bugers take ban or they will be millionary in base of a bug, i hope ncsoft dont allow the last one
Regards
When you know what you are doing, you make jokes in hero voices and you say to all server you know what are you doing, you make topics on forum making fun about your clan using a known bug.
We reported this to the gm when we realized what had happened, to ban people wouldn't be good for multiple reasons.
1. They would lose a huge section of the player base that they have established.
2. I know for a fact that the gm response to this issue was basically as follows: Thank you for making us aware of the issue, we have esculated the issue to our "whatever it is" team. As for the drops you are free to keep them or sell them as you see fit. If you have any more questions please respond to the following.
We replied and asked can we continue to kill the raid? It has been 3 days however no reply from the gm's. It does appear that someone did get the reply of if it is up kill it.
We kept all drops incase they wanted to take the drops back because we really weren't sure that this is the correct response or not we dont want to give an item away that could be taken as "exploit" even though we were told it was fine. This really can't be the players fault that something like this was broken anyways, it is a competitive game and I am sure all the clans that could do it did do it.
I feel like worst case scenario they should take the items away and track the adena sales and refund the people that could have bought some of these items. I don't know how many times people did end up doing these raids but it is not the communities fault.
Years ago there was an issue where items were being oed to +18 through a game skill glitch and doing a few other things to go along with it. I know those items were just reset to +0 but again this is more a game issue than a player issue where they were doing that.
This issue is game wide/all servers. I cant believe the servers are still up. rb's dropping tons and tons of gear/adena and servers still up. its free for all.
I dont know what to say, but I am not happy about it. I would of brought down servers for emergency maint.
We reported this to the gm when we realized what had happened, to ban people wouldn't be good for multiple reasons.
1. They would lose a huge section of the player base that they have established.
2. I know for a fact that the gm response to this issue was basically as follows: Thank you for making us aware of the issue, we have esculated the issue to our "whatever it is" team. As for the drops you are free to keep them or sell them as you see fit. If you have any more questions please respond to the following.
We replied and asked can we continue to kill the raid? It has been 3 days however no reply from the gm's. It does appear that someone did get the reply of if it is up kill it.
We kept all drops incase they wanted to take the drops back because we really weren't sure that this is the correct response or not we dont want to give an item away that could be taken as "exploit" even though we were told it was fine. This really can't be the players fault that something like this was broken anyways, it is a competitive game and I am sure all the clans that could do it did do it.
I feel like worst case scenario they should take the items away and track the adena sales and refund the people that could have bought some of these items. I don't know how many times people did end up doing these raids but it is not the communities fault.
Years ago there was an issue where items were being oed to +18 through a game skill glitch and doing a few other things to go along with it. I know those items were just reset to +0 but again this is more a game issue than a player issue where they were doing that.
"we save the items"
all know respawn is every 14 days dont need test nothing.exploit
We reported this to the gm when we realized what had happened, to ban people wouldn't be good for multiple reasons.
1. They would lose a huge section of the player base that they have established.
2. I know for a fact that the gm response to this issue was basically as follows: Thank you for making us aware of the issue, we have esculated the issue to our "whatever it is" team. As for the drops you are free to keep them or sell them as you see fit. If you have any more questions please respond to the following.
We replied and asked can we continue to kill the raid? It has been 3 days however no reply from the gm's. It does appear that someone did get the reply of if it is up kill it.
We kept all drops incase they wanted to take the drops back because we really weren't sure that this is the correct response or not we dont want to give an item away that could be taken as "exploit" even though we were told it was fine. This really can't be the players fault that something like this was broken anyways, it is a competitive game and I am sure all the clans that could do it did do it.
I feel like worst case scenario they should take the items away and track the adena sales and refund the people that could have bought some of these items. I don't know how many times people did end up doing these raids but it is not the communities fault.
Years ago there was an issue where items were being oed to +18 through a game skill glitch and doing a few other things to go along with it. I know those items were just reset to +0 but again this is more a game issue than a player issue where they were doing that.
you was aware about the bug and you continues, that is exploit sorry man no excuses in this chase
There will be no punishment ??:eek: without punishment, for much less have friends being banned and prevented from continuing with their characters and now many offenders commit this murder the rules and there can be no punishment? it would not be fair, but I believe in the competence of those who think this cause in Chronos Server.:mad:
botting = ban
clicking on npc to kill mob = no ban
what is the difference ? - you are exploiting/getting advantages of 3-rd party program, whyle when you click on the npc you play the game setled from NC West
some guy said about spezion, i`ll add istina to the list - still no bans
just wake up guys, nobody will get punished the way you want
all players who do these things , know not to do so , they do wrong . especially if they are " heros " .
Should be exemplary for society.
I expect a ban for these players
You go to Enchanted Valley and kill one PC/Monster. Ten minutes later it respawns again next to you as normal. You kill it again. One minute later it respawns next you. You ask yourself why it spawned nine minutes earlier? Bug? Exploit? What will you do? Kill it or wait for someone else to come and kill it for you instead? Exactly my point about this whole Topic about Bugs/Exploits ... that part it make no sense. The Teleporter was working as intended. You port inside instance the normal way and you click/kill the RAID the normal way. Any other Clan could do the same and be Competive and fight for it at the Teleporter. It just respawned like a PC/Moster from the field ... only just faster this time.
As said they made a petition to a GM last Friday. He gave the green light by saying whenever a RAID comes available feel free to RAID it, yesterday afternoon. So they raided the same RAID again a couple of times after this reply yesterday evening.
Re-spawn time has nothing to do with bug or exploits. It was just an mathematical error due to an minor update from last Maintenance. Like the Server Transfers. You cant say there was a Standard Server Maintenance. Ninja Patches or Software Updates are causing these problems in the Servers ... unless someone hacked the Server manually and made a RB event weekend. Or I suspect old Korean Server Settings from previous year are stuck in the database like the 10th Anniversary RB was still spawning in Elven Village during our 11th Anniversary same time this year. Korean update Settings that get copied accidently to our Server Settings. GG
We reported this to the gm when we realized what had happened, to ban people wouldn't be good for multiple reasons.
1. They would lose a huge section of the player base that they have established.
2. I know for a fact that the gm response to this issue was basically as follows: Thank you for making us aware of the issue, we have esculated the issue to our "whatever it is" team. As for the drops you are free to keep them or sell them as you see fit. If you have any more questions please respond to the following.
We replied and asked can we continue to kill the raid? It has been 3 days however no reply from the gm's. It does appear that someone did get the reply of if it is up kill it.
We kept all drops incase they wanted to take the drops back because we really weren't sure that this is the correct response or not we dont want to give an item away that could be taken as "exploit" even though we were told it was fine. This really can't be the players fault that something like this was broken anyways, it is a competitive game and I am sure all the clans that could do it did do it.
I feel like worst case scenario they should take the items away and track the adena sales and refund the people that could have bought some of these items. I don't know how many times people did end up doing these raids but it is not the communities fault.
Years ago there was an issue where items were being oed to +18 through a game skill glitch and doing a few other things to go along with it. I know those items were just reset to +0 but again this is more a game issue than a player issue where they were doing that.
what u want to say ?
Report the bug and keep bugging it its now allowed ?
in what crazy world u live ? If u found a bug and u report it, u should stop to do it ! dont need be a genius to understand that! xD
People that was abusing of that bug, are just looking for some excuse!!!!
The best course of action is probably to just take back all the drops... minus the first time.
A sound action, but it seems this is not just a trasken issue anymore. Apparently there are other raid bosses , field or instanced that respawn just after they are getting killed. Right now we do not know the complete extend of the issue, so who knows how many people are taking advantage of it.
if you exploit a bug you get banned. it has always been that way in mmorpgs. the fact this bug was exploited not once, twice, three times, but a total of like 10+ times on chromos.. 10+ times that we know about might I add.. well.. gg way to get yourselves banned.
if they don't ban the exploiters, next bug every1 and their momma will exploit it..
if they do ban the exploiters.. chromos server becomes 1 sided.
both scenarios are awful.
cant believe your entire clan participated in it over and over and over and over. it's not like you guys are children. you're grown adults who've been playing the game for 11 years. you know better. shame on you for trying to take advantage and putting the server in this awful position.
Players did the instances over and over for get more drops when the instance itself has a fixed spawn time.
Idk what NC will do, but whatever the decision over the abusers will be, it will make a precedence on future scenarios and how players can exploit this kind of stuff.
Here's how it's going to go down. The server will continue to limp along only if it is profitable. To that end, the only active (daily) moderator of the forum is a clown, and customer support has been outsourced (http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/9/8378313/ncsoft-support-layoffs-austin). In-game moderation likely falls under the umbrella of "customer support," so don't expect anybody in-game to 'do the needful' for you and get rid of cheaters. These are the same moves made not too long before Lineage 1 died, so it looks like a broken record to me.
That said, it hurts NC's bottom line to ban the cheaters who exploited the respawns, so it's not going to happen. Those same cheaters almost buy themselves insurance by cheating harder: the more they cheat, the more log entries are created that have to be sorted out in order to definitively ban the cheaters. Sorting out the logs takes man hours even with search tools and some organization, and, as I mentioned before, NC already stripped down their workforce on this game to save money. NC trying to ban the cheaters is the equivalent of filing a lawsuit against themselves.
So yeah, not only is nothing going to happen, I don't even have the good faith to expect them to address why they're not banning the cheaters. They're going to brush it under the rug, and put some vague message into this thread later, like, "we're still looking into the issue of the timers on raid bosses. For the time being, eat a bag of you-know-whats and stay tuned to this thread (that the clown is going to be fiercely moderating for the next week) for updates/questions/comments/concerns."
Here's how it's going to go down. The server will continue to limp along only if it is profitable. To that end, the only active (daily) moderator of the forum is a clown, and customer support has been outsourced (http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/9/8378313/ncsoft-support-layoffs-austin). In-game moderation likely falls under the umbrella of "customer support," so don't expect anybody in-game to 'do the needful' for you and get rid of cheaters. These are the same moves made not too long before Lineage 1 died, so it looks like a broken record to me.
That said, it hurts NC's bottom line to ban the cheaters who exploited the respawns, so it's not going to happen. Those same cheaters almost buy themselves insurance by cheating harder: the more they cheat, the more log entries are created that have to be sorted out in order to definitively ban the cheaters. Sorting out the logs takes man hours even with search tools and some organization, and, as I mentioned before, NC already stripped down their workforce on this game to save money. NC trying to ban the cheaters is the equivalent of filing a lawsuit against themselves.
So yeah, not only is nothing going to happen, I don't even have the good faith to expect them to address why they're not banning the cheaters. They're going to brush it under the rug, and put some vague message into this thread later, like, "we're still looking into the issue of the timers on raid bosses. For the time being, eat a bag of you-know-whats and stay tuned to this thread (that the clown is going to be fiercely moderating for the next week) for updates/questions/comments/concerns."
We will be disabling the Daichir NPC for the Earth Wyrm Trasken Raid until further notice. It seems there were some issues with the spawning of this event that need to be investigated and worked out.
Additionally, the Teleport Device for the Kelbim Raid will be disabled along with it. This is in effect for all servers.
Keep an eye on this thread for any updates.
Edit 14Jul: I've got another update for you all.
We're also disabling the 3 field raid bosses (Transformed Dartanion, Spicula Negative, and Garden Patrol Captain) as well in connection with this issue. I'll keep you updated as I get more information.
Buster,
The following raid boss also needs to be disabled:
The following raid boss also needs to be disabled:
Kanadis Guide
Thanks. But I'll say again, this is not the place to name and shame others you think have taken advantage of a situation, even under the guise of reporting. If what you wish to report can't be done without finger-pointing, send it to me in a PM.
Thanks. But I'll say again, this is not the place to name and shame others you think have taken advantage of a situation, even under the guise of reporting. If what you wish to report can't be done without finger-pointing, send it to me in a PM.
I suppose you could think that way given all the malcontents that frequent here.
I have to reassure you that me using gyazo to copy my screen was merely convenience and any accidental exposure is merely coincidental.
No dwarves or ertheia were harmed in the making of this screenshot.
is list of disabled NPCs and raids up to date, I am starting to get the impression all the raids are effected.
I noticed a dozen RAIDS and World Bosses were affected, even Tauti and Gainak Bosses ...
I got the impression it is starting to be a server wide problem. I wonder if it is hidden Event Setting that reduced RB respawn times from previous time? I think it has broken or corrupted the database since last maintenance. So Friday it all started? QQ
Now even NPC Servers restart non stop, or lagg, untargetable, no response in last few hours.
If any item such as enchant or scroll of blessing was used it will be removed and a clean weapon will be returned. Say +7 weapon reset to 0
I don't know about all server nor about other raids I only knew about the one. I also do not know how this removal / selling / buying / usage will have worked either, none of the items from the raid were used or sold with us so it was just an easy clean sweep through the items. Hopefully people get their adena back if they bought some of this stuff. Items from original kills were also removed.
Just a small update on what was told to me I didn't log but for a moment yesterday.
If any item such as enchant or scroll of blessing was used it will be removed and a clean weapon will be returned. Say +7 weapon reset to 0
I don't know about all server nor about other raids I only knew about the one. I also do not know how this removal / selling / buying / usage will have worked either, none of the items from the raid were used or sold with us so it was just an easy clean sweep through the items. Hopefully people get their adena back if they bought some of this stuff. Items from original kills were also removed.
Just a small update on what was told to me I didn't log but for a moment yesterday.
I also noticed a removal of items from the CWH 10 min before the Maintenance start.
I got and saw another two screenshots with conversations of two different NCSoft representatives saying it was perfectly fine to continously RAID it whenever it comes available ... untill they locked many RAIDS manually half a day later.
Either way NCsoft will feel the consequence for returning a +0 clean weapon if this is the case. The Clan reported it from the start. They took a green light. They continu as they were allowed by NCSoft Support Ticket and now they punish you by removing/resetting your items? They have to fix this either way.
I'd love to see the content of this alleged support ticket where someone asked "Hey we just killed Earth Wyrm Trasken 5 times in 4 hours, it cool if we keep doing it?"
Bottom line is everyone on whatever server involved in doing epic bosses multiple times in a few hours knew full well they should not be doing it. If only items were removed, consider it a lucky slap on the wrist.
I'd love to see the content of this alleged support ticket where someone asked "Hey we just killed Earth Wyrm Trasken 5 times in 4 hours, it cool if we keep doing it?"
Bottom line is everyone on whatever server involved in doing epic bosses multiple times in a few hours knew full well they should not be doing it. If only items were removed, consider it a lucky slap on the wrist.
Only epic bosses huh?
Its funny the ones complaining are the ones that couldn't do it. It was more than just epic raids it was several raids. Let me guess instant spawn on other raids people were farming meant nothing? I'm pretty sure its against forum rules to post exact images of conversations between player and gm's correct me if I am wrong.
Who cares about a field raid? It's not gonna drop an Earth Wyrm ring, which is the only reason you would have kept porting into the raid over and over again.
Other clans didn't do it because *gasp* that would be taking advantage of a bug (translation: exploiting) and aren't dumb enough to risk getting an entire clan banned because of it.
Who cares about a field raid? It's not gonna drop an Earth Wyrm ring, which is the only reason you would have kept porting into the raid over and over again.
Other clans didn't do it because *gasp* that would be taking advantage of a bug (translation: exploiting) and aren't dumb enough to risk getting an entire clan banned because of it.
Actually I heard there was a fight for the port on several servers so there is where you are wrong. The raid drops more than just a ring with value.....Again gm says do it, I don't see the problem better my clan than let someone else get one up on us. Stop crying over spilt milk and let them try to fix it.
you people ever consider we asked gm about this new revelation and got response to go ahead and kill it?
just curious, which GM told you guys to kill it? or is this the propaganda that you are told to say when asked?
a GM that would give the green light to take advantage of a bug for personal gain should be terminated. So.....who is this GM that gave the green light?
the info I saw was a spanish named GM. But I was not involved in any of this cause I hardly play anymore. I just like to troll and joke a few times a day to put a smile on my face.
why does everyone hate so much? nevermind thats what makes game fun.
The gm gave an answer allowing us to proceed with the killings, all those qqers in hero voice are just clueless, they think they are the only smart people around to avoid an exploit, ofc we reported it first, then when we got the ok about being able to do them whenever they are alive, we made them 3 more times, it didn't make sense that gm gave permission to do it, but well anyone on our position would have made same call (and ofc we wouldn't share that info that we got ok from gm back in that time so our war clans stay all day long crying on hero voice instead of trying to do it aswell).
Beleth portal still up after maint today on chronos and you can enter and do as many time as you want. Gm needs to check this.
WTB on all servers so everyone can finish that part of the Exalted quest go go!!
right now Beleth raid is based on who has the best script to port inside with their CC.. same bs with Trasken raid but that one is optional as you can chose to do the Crystal Caves raids instead, not so with Beleth.. that's mandatory and near impossible to get done lolz
today before the maintenance the same group who bug trasken kill the 4 raid like 30 tiemes (was bug to ) and all day they laught in global saying they never will take ban
my question is: why ncsoft dont ban this ppl?
my clan can make a cc for trasken very easy, but never do it because we was aware trasken is bug and know is a exploit
in summary: ppl who exploit trasken win: a lot of drop and adena with the bug
ppl who dont exploit nothing and respect the rules : win nothing because we send ticket and u response u will take actions
is very very unfair, if ncsoft dont ban this exploiters, many legit ppl will stop play to.
It's not like the EULA has ever been fairly and evenly enforced. Some people have been botting and running trains for YEARS and they're still around, building on those advantages (good gear -> win more fights -> get more gear from raids/coc/hero/etc).
It's NC's fault; everyone is just upset that 1. it happened at all, 2. they weren't in the right place at the right time, and someone else was QQ.
(This is assuming a GM did actually approve the farming of the raids, which was a poor call, imho.)
we know for the next time.
exploit the bug , take free adena and all is ok !
What you know for next time, is ask GM first then exploit the bug.
FS would have been stupid if they didn't farm the raids after getting the OK.