Replacement for Kelbim bow?

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It's a decent bow for the money, 10% patk, 15% crit damage pretty nice. But....no soulshot bonus, who cares about 25% HP, no focus, no augment, 15% pvp damage isn't great compared to dual sa dark, most mobs your level are dark resist and most players boosted dark attribute when this came out. Atk speed should be maxed out already if ya know what your doing. It's nice you can use it at early levels, I did, but at 99+ it's time to move on. Just my opinion. It does look really cool though!
for pvp it is good if you`re poor and got lucky from the event
for pve it sux
its R grade, and with r grade expertise rune, can be used at level 1
give to me plx ;/
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Considering those stats for the Kelbim bow, what bow would you need to have to replace it? or to make it worth the replacement.

Not looking into a straight +16 Dark R99 blah blah, just like a minimum of 1.8k p.attck bow? 1.9? 2k? or?



Here's the problem with the Kelbim bow, the SA's don't give an increase to PVP damage by 10% like a bow with 2 SA's does.


So yes you get the pvp damage of a dark bow but not the increase damage of the SA's. The PATK of the bow is pretty garbage and for PVE purposes in Atelia Fortress, all the mobs are dark, hence garbage.


But the number one reason? No increase % to soulshot damage for being overenchanted(this bonus can reach huge numbers!).


It's a mildly descent bow for pvp and a steal for the price but any top player won't really use it, they will go for an OE dark bow.


Deuces my ninjas!
no focus ... Atk speed should be maxed out already if ya know what your doing.

Wait, you need the focus, but not the attack speed on a bow? That's a rare case. :confused:

For OP, this may help, Juji's lab test for Tauti vs OE Amaranthine: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=261207
Here's the problem with the Kelbim bow, the SA's don't give an increase to PVP damage by 10% like a bow with 2 SA's does.


So yes you get the pvp damage of a dark bow but not the increase damage of the SA's. The PATK of the bow is pretty garbage and for PVE purposes in Atelia Fortress, all the mobs are dark, hence garbage.


But the number one reason? No increase % to soulshot damage for being overenchanted(this bonus can reach huge numbers!).


It's a mildly descent bow for pvp and a steal for the price but any top player won't really use it, they will go for an OE dark bow.


Deuces my ninjas!

add here passive augment +15% crit dmg that you can get on pve/pvp bow
I think a Dark Bow 2 sa 300 +8 or higher is better than Kelbim Bow.
Weakness of Kelbim Bow :
The P Atk of the Kelbim Bow is too low.
It has -10% pvp dmg less than a dark bow 2 sa
The P. Crit dmg +15% is totally useless for archer since it only works on auto attack.
add here passive augment +15% crit dmg that you can get on pve/pvp bow

passive skill crit damage augment*
I tested it with a 15+ blessed apocalypse thrower.
Defender had same amount of resistance of both bows (Dark, and Fire).
I did 5% higher with my kelbim, with both normal hits and skills.
Critical hits with normal hit was 15-20% higher with Kelbim, could not test skill critical power as it is way too long and too many variables.

15+ Blessed Apoc bow have a tiny bit more P. atk than a 12+ Dark thrower.
Dark thrower gets the 15% PVP damage bonus, since kelbim was 5% better than the apocalypse bow, that makes a 12+ dark thrower hit around 10% harder than kelbim.

My estimate would be a kelbim bow has the same attack power as a 8+ dark thrower.

If the dark bow has a nice augment it would of course make it even better. With the best augment possible, a kelbim would probably be the same as a 6+ Dark thrower.

Note: Same attack power as 8+ or 6+, but you also get the 20% reflect, 25% HP and the 15% Attack speed.


Just my estimation of it, i dont have a dark thrower in hand so i can not test it, but i am confident in my test and i will keep my kelbim for a long time.. :)
The thing is not that Kelbim is bad, but rather the countless pay2win randoms running with +12 or more dark bows.

So taken in perspective, the Kelbim bow is one of the best you can get, specially for the price.
My thoughts on Kelbim, Kelbim dagger is good both for PvP and PvE but Kelbim bow is OK for PvP but so so for PvE. Most of Yul's damage comes from Skill Attacks. If Kelbim bow had 15% Increased Skill Critical CHANCE + 15% Skill Critical damage, that would've been really good! but it has +15% Attack Speed and +15% P.attack Crit LOL, kinda useless options. For PvP only, I think it's decent bow for people who can't afford the real PVP bow(OE dark bow). 450 attribute + 15% pvp damage option is nice...but 1457 damage is still kinda low. It's still good bow for people below R99 who can't use bloody or dark yet. As for the answer to the original question, I'd say Kelbim bow is about the equal of +10 Blessed Specter bow when considering everything.
My thoughts on Kelbim, Kelbim dagger is good both for PvP and PvE but Kelbim bow is OK for PvP but so so for PvE. Most of Yul's damage comes from Skill Attacks. If Kelbim bow had 15% Increased Skill Critical CHANCE + 15% Skill Critical damage, that would've been really good! but it has +15% Attack Speed and +15% P.attack Crit LOL, kinda useless options. For PvP only, I think it's decent bow for people who can't afford the real PVP bow(OE dark bow). 450 attribute + 15% pvp damage option is nice...but 1457 damage is still kinda low. It's still good bow for people below R99 who can't use bloody or dark yet. As for the answer to the original question, I'd say Kelbim bow is about the equal of +10 Blessed Specter bow when considering everything.

I made tests ! So kelbim bow is good if u are lvl 95-99 to play with ! But i tested with a +15 dar bow and dmg diff is 45-50 % ! So ......
I made tests ! So kelbim bow is good if u are lvl 95-99 to play with ! But i tested with a +15 dar bow and dmg diff is 45-50 % ! So ......
But the price differential is like 1000%
add here passive augment +15% crit dmg that you can get on pve/pvp bow
who cares, when archer can boost their dmg over the top anyway.

think u get +10% from ss no at +15?
2 SA is what? 10%?

there u go 20% bonus in dmg in all kinds ;)
gonna make me test my kelbim bow with pom and all that jazz on my tyr :)
My archer is only level 86, so I'd consider selling the Kelbim if I was able to get a +13 blessed R95 bow and enough adena to buy whale pots until I reach 95. Of course, that won't happen, so I'll stick with the Kelbim for now.