or at least fix the XP back to what it was before the nerfs as right now it's less then in the previous update even with the 50% base boost removed..
I'm just having fun exploring the new factions stuff but when I want to face the grind to 105+ it's going to be quite sad to see how much harder it is right now compared to a few Months ago.. and I mean that in party set up as I know how to do this solo/duo mode but that's not how I prefer to play the game :/
I think it would be much better if they would add +100% exp in prestige pack like what core server is doing. It's a win/win situation for ncsoft and us consumers since players will be more inclined to purchase monthly prestige packs for each of their accounts.
The exp in the sub-85 hunting grounds must be low so that the anti-bot system has enough time to unequivocally identify bots (this takes several days) and make Mentee Mark/RMT botting uneconomic :)
The exp in the sub-85 hunting grounds must be low so that the anti-bot system has enough time to unequivocally identify bots (this takes several days) and make Mentee Mark/RMT botting uneconomic :)
You should really just stick to translating patchnotes, you do it really well.
So they talk about how leveling to 85 will be faster than ever with new update, ok. But then they lower xp and leave gaps between quest... wait, to stop bots? Ahahahaha. And who suffer from it? Real players!
Bots? They don't suffer, they don't care how to level and how long it will take, and if they get banned they will be back, especially those low-level ones.
This new leveling system just sucks, don't try to cover for it.
I am not covering for anything. I am explaining to Jacky why there can be no global +50% exp setting, quoting a paper by NCsoft Chief Mathematician Lee Eun-jo.
That paper has been linked here on this forum several times. Your first task is to find it, then you have to understand it. I am aware that especially the latter might prove to be a bit too much of an intellectual challenge for you. If you should actually master that challenge, then you can come back here and talk.
And by the way, if nobody would be buying adena, there would be no bots and no need for an anti-bot system. The player base as a statistical whole is highly criminal, therefore the player base as a statistical whole is being punished. You can either accept martyrdom or move on and play board games.
You should really just stick to translating patchnotes, you do it really well.
So they talk about how leveling to 85 will be faster than ever with new update, ok. But then they lower xp and leave gaps between quest... wait, to stop bots? Ahahahaha. And who suffer from it? Real players!
Bots? They don't suffer, they don't care how to level and how long it will take, and if they get banned they will be back, especially those low-level ones.
This new leveling system just sucks, don't try to cover for it.
Have you tried leveling a subclass post change?
I am not covering for anything. I am explaining to Jacky why there can be no global +50% exp setting, quoting a paper by NCsoft Chief Mathematician Lee Eun-jo.
That paper has been linked here on this forum several times. Your first task is to find it, then you have to understand it. I am aware that especially the latter might prove to be a bit too much of an intellectual challenge for you. If you should actually master that challenge, then you can come back here and talk.
And by the way, if nobody would be buying adena, there would be no bots and no need for an anti-bot system. The player base as a statistical whole is highly criminal, therefore the player base as a statistical whole is being punished. You can either accept martyrdom or move on and play board games.
I read it. And I do hope it works.
But I'm gonna say it one more time, xp reduction is not needed to identify bots and ban them.
The company planned to attract new players with this update
they lure people in, promising faster than ever leveling to 85
they even cleaned low-level areas, how cute:D
I saw myself, no bots in sea of spores
So the reason xp bonus is over as soon as we got the new update is to force this new playrs to buy xp runes to catch up.
That is why, sir, I say that your argument about xp reduction serving the rightful purpose is incorrect.
To say that, you must be silly naive or purposely misguiding people.
And please, give me a word-to-word quote from the document, where it says about a direct connection between 50% exp setting and identifying bots.
Until then, sir, you'll be a liar and as we russians say, balabol:)
No, I didn't try to level a subclass but I tried to level a fresh toon from level 1.
And it sucks. Worse than before the update.
I'm furious about it.
So what's your point?
And please, give me a word-to-word quote from the document, where it says about a direct connection between 50% exp setting and identifying bots.
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data: the period for aggregating log data, and the time unit
of log vectors for measuring self-similarity. Our target games
have down time every Wednesday morning because operators
need to check the servers and update contents. Consequently,
most users have a one-week playing cycle. As a result, we
decided to aggregate feature data over one week. If the time
unit of a log vector is too short, the amount of information in
the vector is too small. However, the converse results in the
number of vectors being so small that self-similarity cannot be
measured accurately. We tested the detection model using only
self-similarity for a feature in the range of 300–1800 seconds
and checked the AUC of each model to determine the optimal
time unit for a vector. Fig. 13 describes the results of our test.
In Fig. 13, the x-axis is a period of aggregation, and
the y-axis is the AUC of models using the k-fold crossvalidation.
Each plot line depicts the AUC of a model per
time unit that we tested. In our experiments, the shorter time
unit of a vector is better. A five-day aggregation period is best.
However, we selected seven-day as a parameter because it is
more convenient and efficient to synchronize with the server
maintenance time.
Bots must be held up for 5~7 days in order to identify them reliably. You really, really don't want false positives.
Exp in the sub-85 hunting grounds must be reduced to prevent bots from getting into the Awakened areas where they interfere with the grinding and daily questing of players. Stop spreading ignorance and misguiding people.
I am not covering for anything. I am explaining to Jacky why there can be no global +50% exp setting, quoting a paper by NCsoft Chief Mathematician Lee Eun-jo.
That paper has been linked here on this forum several times. Your first task is to find it, then you have to understand it. I am aware that especially the latter might prove to be a bit too much of an intellectual challenge for you. If you should actually master that challenge, then you can come back here and talk.
And by the way, if nobody would be buying adena, there would be no bots and no need for an anti-bot system. The player base as a statistical whole is highly criminal, therefore the player base as a statistical whole is being punished. You can either accept martyrdom or move on and play board games.
It`s way too hard approach for such low population(could be done in oficial servers with blooming player base of min 10k per server and constant turnover of new players). First of all there are already premade bots in such quantities that you could fill several servers and all would be 100lv the impact will be done once the toons will be rmt - you will have huge player base who are high level but can`t play the character.
And this matter in NCWest should be approached alot more sensitive by not impacting the gameplay at all for existing players and not closing the doors to new returning veterans.
Will completely disagree on your statement:
``And by the way, if nobody would be buying adena, there would be no bots and no need for an anti-bot system. The player base as a statistical whole is highly criminal, therefore the player base as a statistical whole is being punished. You can either accept martyrdom or move on and play board games.``
Real life scenario you go to shop just to look around and possibly buy:
You enter the door and first you`re not being greeted by the Company Staff but by a weird looking person who offers you to have exactly the same goods (no warranty provided - but at the same time the shop doesn`t provide any warranty as well) but for a extremely small fraction of cost you would just need to collect the item outside of the shop after the sale agreement.
So whos more guilty in this situation.
1.The crook
2.The confused customer
3.Ignorant company which allows such policy
The demand is made by the company and current situation will be bait for new returning players when they hear in the forum how much the end game gear will cost and they look at their inventory less than 100 adena for 10lv character.
The smart ones in such case will choose to play the board game instead where everyone is having equal chance of winning instead that you play the same game with already maxed out rewards people.
In my eyes - a new player should Never EVER see anything in oficial marketed game server ``pstnoselfesteemtoolwanttobuysomeadena. ru/com ``
a) exp from 1-85 should be fixed. Quests do not give enough xp atm to let you level to 85 with quests alone - as it was supposed to do.
b) exp from 85to99 should be boosted I agree. There should be more people engaging in the end-game aspects of the game. PvP could use a spark - partying would be better if there would be more people etc etc.
c) As Yidao has mentioned before - there will be a boost to 100+ levelling in future. By this I have understood that it will be easier, or even possible to goto 105+ levels and maybe even as high as 110.
There is no simple solution buffing exp all around. If you give flat +50% it suits some scenarios and might reck some other aspects.
Best way of dealing this would be to make (a) work (b) would get more quests with better xp reward and (c) would progress as planned.
a) exp from 1-85 should be fixed. Quests do not give enough xp atm to let you level to 85 with quests alone - as it was supposed to do.
b) exp from 85to99 should be boosted I agree. There should be more people engaging in the end-game aspects of the game. PvP could use a spark - partying would be better if there would be more people etc etc.
c) As Yidao has mentioned before - there will be a boost to 100+ levelling in future. By this I have understood that it will be easier, or even possible to goto 105+ levels and maybe even as high as 110.
To clarify:
- On May 18, 2016 the exp requirement per percent for lvl 105+ has been reduced. While the monsters give still the same absolute number of exp points, you will reach lvl 106 etc. faster: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/update/view?articleId=617033
- On June 15, 2016 the exp points that a monster gives have been increased in all open lvl 85+ hunting grounds, from the Bloody Swampland all the way to the Atelia Fortress and Dreadnaught Superion: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/update/view?articleId=617991
We will probably get both updates wrapped into one, so that part of Jacky's request has already been fulfilled and we just need to wait until it arrives over here.
As far as the exp from 1-85 is concerned, you must keep in mind that a Korean player gets an exp/SP/drop bonus of 30% (during events like Red Libra 50%) when playing from an internet cafe, and with the PC Cafe Points that get automatically converted out of their game time points when they play from an internet cafe, they can buy all the shots they want. So for them it's in fact totally free.
Since internet cafe owners don't let their customers download shady software, all bots must play from home and don't get those benefits. So the exp reduction, both when grinding and in the quest rewards, helps to separate bots from legit players.
The system is brilliant. We are just collateral damage in the War against Bots :)
Ok provided dates are from Korean Server. They don`t have such issue what we have here in the first place.
``As far as the exp from 1-85 is concerned, you must keep in mind that a Korean player gets an exp/SP/drop bonus of 30% (during events like Red Libra 50%) when playing from an internet cafe, and with the PC Cafe Points that get automatically converted out of their game time points when they play from an internet cafe, they can buy all the shots they want. So for them it's in fact totally free.
Since internet cafe owners don't let their customers download shady software, all bots must play from home and don't get those benefits. So the exp reduction, both when grinding and in the quest rewards, helps to separate bots from legit players.``
Absolutely NA
I created new character from scratch today just to test it. Reached 11lv when i should be 22 and i stopped receiving quests so if a new returning player is going to try and will receive such news sorry false advertisement no easy exp with quest from 1-85 during Helios what was states - not during any other updates.
The exp reduction i think so wont impact the 100+ levels(just lover the motivation in general not a big deal)as they will have enough to do with the newly appeared faction system. But pre 100 it will be huge turnover. First major update without event so no excuses.
Btw Yidao do you actively play in NCWest servers or only in Korea and have here a char?
And by the way, if nobody would be buying adena, there would be no bots and no need for an anti-bot system. The player base as a statistical whole is highly criminal, therefore the player base as a statistical whole is being punished.
Real life scenario you go to shop just to look around and possibly buy:
You enter the door and first you`re not being greeted by the Company Staff but by a weird looking person who offers you to have exactly the same goods (no warranty provided - but at the same time the shop doesn`t provide any warranty as well) but for a extremely small fraction of cost you would just need to collect the item outside of the shop after the sale agreement.
So whos more guilty in this situation.
1.The crook
2.The confused customer
3.Ignorant company which allows such policy
The demand is made by the company
There is nothing to discuss here.
The customer is guilty, period. Only the customer, nobody else.
The demand is made by the customers, not by the company.
You are just proving the point that I made a few days ago, so I'll just quote myself:
It seems to me it's just the Western mentality itself that involves such overwhelming levels of hipocricy that an individual cannot even see what's wrong with his/her views.
Let's replace "adena" with "drugs" and make a real-life analogy to illustrate their quite common yet perverted way of thinking:
"I cannot quit using drugs because they are too cheap! There are too many drug dealers around, advertizing the drugs all over the place! The police does nothing to stop them! I'm a drug addict but it is totally not my fault! Drugs make my life brighter, it's too hard without them! If someone would take away all the drug dealers then maybe I'd try and stop using drugs!"
That was, in a nutshell, the point of view on drugs (that is, RMT) abuse predominating in this forum. To me, it looks both irresponsible and hipocritical, to say the least.
... Btw Yidao do you actively play in NCWest servers or only in Korea and have here a char?
For playing in Korea you need a Korean Resident Registration Number, which I don't have. Plus there would be the lag problem. So no, no playing in Korea. When I am in Germany I play on Naia (August 2007 aka Interlude is when I started here, on Teon), and when I am in China I play there, having had a Chinese account since Chronicle 3, when the game was still licensend out to sina.com, then at NCChina, and now at Tengxun, the current license taker :)
There is nothing to discuss here.
The customer is guilty, period. Only the customer, nobody else.
The demand is made by the customers, not by the company.
You are just proving the point that I made a few days ago, so I'll just quote myself:
For playing in Korea you need a Korean Resident Registration Number, which I don't have. Plus there would be the lag problem. So no, no playing in Korea. When I am in Germany I play on Naia (August 2007 aka Interlude is when I started here, on Teon), and when I am in China I play there, having had a Chinese account since Chronicle 3, when the game was still licensend out to sina.com, then at NCChina, and now at Tengxun, the current license taker :)
Kudos to you. You`re surrounded by snakes and breath toxic fumes on the daily - from what i heard it is the place where the dead server recources went to create an uber pvp kingdom.
I`m from Chronos so the population is least toxic but probably alot more ppl who RMT for sure (definitely not the dark gear)
... from what i heard it is the place where the dead server recources went to create an uber pvp kingdom.
Considerable resources went into the Tengxun/NCsoft cooperation to create a very different version of Lineage 2. You can find some information here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1037#p17699
(the screenshots have vanished from their hosting site)
I don't know where those resources came from.
Tiantang 2 is not really a PvP kingdom - in Taiwan they are much more militant :)
There is nothing to discuss here.
The customer is guilty, period. Only the customer, nobody else.
The demand is made by the customers, not by the company.
You are just proving the point that I made a few days ago, so I'll just quote myself:
Originally Posted by Aconyte View Post
It seems to me it's just the Western mentality itself that involves such overwhelming levels of hipocricy that an individual cannot even see what's wrong with his/her views.
Let's replace "adena" with "drugs" and make a real-life analogy to illustrate their quite common yet perverted way of thinking:
"I cannot quit using drugs because they are too cheap! There are too many drug dealers around, advertizing the drugs all over the place! The police does nothing to stop them! I'm a drug addict but it is totally not my fault! Drugs make my life brighter, it's too hard without them! If someone would take away all the drug dealers then maybe I'd try and stop using drugs!"
Best example for Soulshots - in C2 we were calling them drugs and the ones who are buying them addicts
That was, in a nutshell, the point of view on drugs (that is, RMT) abuse predominating in this forum. To me, it looks both irresponsible and hipocritical, to say the least.
Lets check it now:
``I have a serious illness like everyone else in the country(L2 states as sickness - adena as cure) - Government doesn't provide sufficient cure and the duration it takes to collect the dosage I rather stop existing but at the other hand i have the constantly approaching illegal dealers, who offer such dosages that i can be cured for prolonged period of times or even forever, if I will continue to deal with them in exchange of my Clean Citizen Passport from The Clean Town anyway from what i heard they don`t check it if you have it or not``
Considerable resources went into the Tengxun/NCsoft cooperation to create a very different version of Lineage 2. You can find some information here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1037#p17699
(the screenshots have vanished from their hosting site)
I don't know where those resources came from.
Tiantang 2 is not really a PvP kingdom - in Taiwan they are much more militant :)
That`s crazy so basically they ripped of NCWest to create thier own version of L2. Mindblown.
No, back in 2011 they ripped off L2@NCWest and Aion@NCWest to create WildStar, like now they are ripping off L2@NCWest, Aion@NCWest and WildStar (for what it's worth) to subsidize the new mobile studio in near San Francisco :p
The money for Tiantang 2 came most probably from Tengxun itself. That's real big company.
``I have a serious illness like everyone else in the country(L2 states as sickness - adena as cure) - Government doesn't provide sufficient cure and the duration it takes to collect the dosage I rather stop existing but at the other hand i have the constantly approaching illegal dealers, who offer such dosages that i can be cured for prolonged period of times or even forever, if I will continue to deal with them in exchange of my Clean Citizen Passport from The Clean Town anyway from what i heard they don`t check it if you have it or not``
No, I didn't try to level a subclass but I tried to level a fresh toon from level 1.
And it sucks. Worse than before the update.
I'm furious about it.
So what's your point?
My point is it gets far far worse.
Last I knew you didn't get the quests on a subclass. I was wondering if the daily quests were available or not for the subclass. The one for the orcs in the 70s is quite good for example.
Last I knew you didn't get the quests on a subclass. I was wondering if the daily quests were available or not for the subclass. The one for the orcs in the 70s is quite good for example.
man... lets face it....creating a sub is a luxury.... if u wanna create a sub.... make some money with your main toon so u can buy some fortune pockets 3 and pvlv it... or use raids when they r available.... i am done with my subclasses... but i saw there are daily quest u can do.... its just not gonna happen in a day any more... so if u r gonna make a sub start now... a do it a litle everyday....
Hahaha Good one! I will keep that in my instead of calling the place Bananaisland it will be from now on Reeducation Camp.
If the person fails the Reeducation process for multiple time hes unfit to continue the integration to the community - shot to death(Perma) :D
But regarding the demand - Im going to speak from my own experience.
When i started the game last year i had big struggles with the newbie area(biggest issue c grade bow using enormous amount of ss - b not that much better due to price) thank god got 1st drop in Devastated Castle which got me out of the mess.
After 85 noticed that k85 is is best exp income but not limited to (soa+field raids) but some ppl getting stuck to reach 85 as example with a feoh you spend more. If you dont do anything else besides instances than you earn only by wasting bss. That was the time i met first guy who RMT adena.
Was leading a broken party to kill Nergat (all twilight tough nothing major levels 90 except 89lv heal)
btw the healer was from my past clan and he linked 2B in bulk adena we were working towards seraph so this amount was beyond understand.
After 1st wipe the guy said last time i gifted to a random by accident 1B and i wont waste my time doing this sh and he dropped pt.
We got a healer and finished the rb got 1 craft pack and started to rethink the life when 99lvs were killing 93lv raids lol but none of us even tought to buy anything as it has 0 moral value.
Personally i would hate to start now as the gap is such huge pre 85lvs doesnt have any meaning and afterwards you`re being pushed to a bilion adena world not to be competitive but to reach the lowest bar just to enter specific instances as everything is extremely expensive.
RMT exist due to non existing quest rewards above 85lv. People give up way too soon and turn to some dark corner.
Personally i would say ban them all but from other perspective those are the paying customers what NCWest is trying to find but the problem is they cant target them - Personally if adena will be sold officially in L2 store then you can quit as there is absolutely no point of playing as the super casuals who say they can log in 30mins a day and want to enjoy all in game benefits...
And the young cats script kiddies who set constantly themselves on fire and shout you need +12 dark gear all kinds of jewels just to play the game is this a joke?
They don`t even know what does it mean to do 2nd i don`t even speak about 3rd prof.
They dont understand what is to swim from Talking Island when disconnect occurred and you lost the ticket and the ship is long gone :D
Respect is earned not bought.
I would say items should be removed from the people who RMT. Too often i hear the people i got best of the best items and didn`t spend a dime but NC you will lose a paying customer as everyone of them are playing 12 years with 0 balance :D
Base can be left untouched by 50% for K85-95/cc/baylor/kama should be at least upped by 50% as now people who level to 100 to get to new content are being left pushed out during such massive update :rolleyes:
Bots must be held up for 5~7 days in order to identify them reliably. You really, really don't want false positives.
Exp in the sub-85 hunting grounds must be reduced to prevent bots from getting into the Awakened areas where they interfere with the grinding and daily questing of players. Stop spreading ignorance and misguiding people.
You can set up bots to do the quests too, you know...
You really must be trolling:eek:
Creepy old man
Bots must be held up for 5~7 days in order to identify them reliably. You really, really don't want false positives.
Exp in the sub-85 hunting grounds must be reduced to prevent bots from getting into the Awakened areas where they interfere with the grinding and daily questing of players. Stop spreading ignorance and misguiding people.
+1 .. but u see what happend when u touch the boters game play .. they atack u and suddenly start to think in "subclass, new ppl.." with end game toons haha
Wtf man... If I were a bot I would level up much quicker than 7 days and even quicker than 5 lol. Some 50% xp reduction ain't gonna stop bots...
Only real players suffer from it
And it was applied to the whole server, not just pre-awakening zones
Wtf is wrong with your logic...
Yidao you crazy old man, is that you having conversation with yourself:confused:
Wtf I don't have no words for you guys...
Wtf man... If I were a bot I would level up much quicker than 7 days and even quicker than 5 lol. Some 50% xp reduction ain't gonna stop bots...
Only real players suffer from it
And it was applied to the whole server, not just pre-awakening zones.
Download the patch notes and read before posting. The xp in several post-awakening zones was increased with the Helios update.
From Christmas on, people on the Isle of Souls etc. will have a double exp increase, in the higher hunting grounds you will have monsters that are easy to kill and give exp, and as soon as you have reached lvl 105 you will benefit from the reduced exp point requirement per exp percent. You will just zooom to 110 :D
The problem is, there are no new hunting grounds, just instances where only the Bosses give exp, and not too much of that: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1645&start=50#p33621
After a few tries the Korean players are basically ignoring the new content, not playing much at all. That's why NCKorea last Wednesday summarily amnestied all players that were banned for minor misbehavior like offensive language (of course no botters, bug exploiters etc.), hoping that they would return and fill up the dwindling ranks: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/notice/view?articleId=618633
The problem is, there are no new hunting grounds, just instances where only the Bosses give exp, and not too much of that: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1645&start=50#p33621
After a few tries the Korean players are basically ignoring the new content, not playing much at all. That's why NCKorea last Wednesday summarily amnestied all players that were banned for minor misbehavior like offensive language (of course no botters, bug exploiters etc.), hoping that they would return and fill up the dwindling ranks: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/notice/view?articleId=618633
:D
as explained on Rochand if the Korean Devs don't update the drops/drop rate and increase the XP more properly for their player base what's the point really for them to go there ?
I've checked out the Superion battleship and the drops & quest rewards there are a huge joke compared to Giants Cave or AF and that is supposed to be the spot for the 102+ player base really ?
I totally agree with you. The main problem here is not so much the satisfaction/frustration of players, but the developers pointlessly wasting away company funds in a suicidal way. Even with outsourcing and modern graphics tools, it costs man-hours aka money to design something like Dreadnaught Superion or the Mesaya Citadel:
In the Asian territories a considerable part of the company's revenue is coming from game time points that are only consumed when the player is in a non-peace zone. When nobody goes to Superion (Korean players ignore that flying fortress as well), you have money spent on the design, but no revenue generated by that design. They might as well have stopped in the Plan of the Ancients (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1514#p31614) update with the low-cost recycled Giants' Caves. The same number of players online, but no expenditure for the development of an ignored hunting ground.
An alternative approach would have been to make the monsters in Dreadnaught Superion drop/spoil items that are necessary to upgrade the Bloody/Dark Eternal Armors:
We are on a completely different level than Korea - first of all they never experienced such high level of corrupt corruption as here.
Perma Gainak farms afk 24/7
NCWest doesnt follow Korea blind (we have such items which doesn`t even exist in Korea) so why adjustment can`t be done to the dropped items. (Which will be a huge blow to a leveling community which actually buy runes and keep the revenue alive if it`s going to be kept that way)
Would definitely like to see Dark/Bloody added as obtainable material from High End areas.