Since Neutron made several replies to this thread prior to the weekend with some additional input on how and why this fix was implemented, I'm following up this week to let you know that we're continuing to read and gather your feedback* to present to the L2 Dev Team.
To be clear, we absolutely agree that this situation should've been handled and communicated better, and apologize that it wasn't.
We feel strongly that any unintended game mechanic that gets abused to generate a very large percentage of Adena income, and can lead to massive economic inflation, needs to be fixed as soon as it's identified. However, in this case we do recognize that there's correlation between the extent to which this bug was exploited, and the current significant challenges with earning Adena through in-game means.
In an ideal scenario, we'd implement more sweeping changes to the game to ease the burden of accruing Adena at the same time as any exploit fixes which cut off a common revenue stream. Changes of this scope take more time to implement and test though, and a blatant exploit that so heavily impacts the economy can't be left unaddressed in that time frame.
That said, we do appreciate the feedback. We'll continue to closely monitor the situation in-game and your input on the forums. We'll provide any updates we can as soon as they're available.
*Regardless of how vehemently you might disagree with the change, those of you who are presenting your feedback thoughtfully and without insulting remarks, inappropriate language, or conspiracy theories are helping to ensure that important criticisms are being documented. In order to present specific opinions internally, we need to hear from players who can voice their concerns in specific terms without resulting to making the types of comments that violate the Forum Guidelines and need to be moderated. We want to thank you for taking the time to express yourself in a considerate manner.
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Original Post: September 6, 2017 12:34pm PDT
Hello all,
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
Don't worry, nothing feels exceptionally rewarding about this game.
This was one of the only ways the majority of the populace could make money, and now you've taken that from them. Why should they continue to play? Progression is solely through the NStore, but you have no game if your community dies.
Why not implement an adena token much like what Blizzard did with WoW tokens? Players can buy a token with Ncoin and sell it through the auction house for adena, while players with hundreds of billions of adena to spend can buy up those tokens in exchange for an Ncoin balance?
This way no new adena is being generated, but an economy can still continue to flourish.
Also, and this is the big one, so I'll put it in bold, NCWEST STILL GETS PAID.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
I also love that you guys think that anything exceptionally rewarding is to be punished. This is a game, not a labor camp! How could you possibly think this type of language is becoming of a video game support staff? I get that your internal memos use such negative language, but you're not supposed to let your player-base know you don't care about them what-so-ever. Absolutely pathetic. Would you like us to lick your boots, too?
Mobs dont drop adena anymore,
Took away all the drops from raids,
There is no way to earn adena on game anymore.
What do u think its gonna happen on a game without currency?
Do u think ppl will keep buying Nccoins to get items from l2store?
Mostly of those nccoins are used to re-sell itens on market for adena... but oh wait, there are no more adena in-game, so no point buying nccoin anymore.
You guys did a move to increase ur sales of nccoins, but got the exact oposite, ur sales will drop so much that you will be forced to shut down the servers.
I agree that earning adena shouldnt be so easy as the way it was with the fishing thing
But don´t remove adena from game, the game needs adena, NCwest need adena on game to sell nccoins.
Put drops back on server.
Put adena drops on mobs again.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
this excuse could be acceptable if u mentioned about this before u did this stupid update but u ***ed up all ppl who were adding thier elcyum in AH for low prices and all other ppl bought them for cheaper prices and reselling them for double prices now...
gz ncsoft u ***ed up evrything.
Listen, I know this post is basically mandated from the top.
But people here keep up on changes in other regions, and know the game better than most of those supporting this game nowadays.
So you do need to go back to your superiors and let them know that this change itself is pretty much a pile of hot garbage, and that this explanation you have been told to feed us is just unacceptable.
There are scarce few ways for your average player to make money left in this game without shelling out cash for ncoin.
This has been noted in previous responses, and this change simply further pushes people out of this game by making it (yet again), more difficult to even get by in this game without repeatedly shelling out cash.
"If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game."
Did I read that correctly? If I find a way to make adena in the game... I should report it as bug?
I am so done with this game. I will never spend another nickle on this game. If you are reading this post. Stay far away from this game. Toxic.
Mobs dont drop adena anymore,
Took away all the drops from raids,
There is no way to earn adena on game anymore.
What do u think its gonna happen on a game without currency?
Do u think ppl will keep buying Nccoins to get items from l2store?
Mostly of those nccoins are used to re-sell itens on market for adena... but oh wait, there are no more adena in-game, so no point buying nccoin anymore.
You guys did a move to increase ur sales of nccoins, but got the exact oposite, ur sales will drop so much that you will be forced to shut down the servers.
I agree that earning adena shouldnt be so easy as the way it was with the fishing thing
But don´t remove adena from game, the game needs adena, NCwest need adena on game to sell nccoins.
Put drops back on server.
Put adena drops on mobs again.
In today's update I have applied a correction to my bank account to NEVER send NCSoft another penny of my money.
I highly apologise for not correcting this issue sooner.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
This is a joke, right? You know what, you shouldn't said anything... Said nothing would be better that that. This is exactly how you care about Lineage 2 and its players database... there is no care at all. What you care about is just your wallets. That was last nail to coffin, at least for me.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
In today's update I have applied a correction to my bank account to NEVER send NCSoft another penny of my money.
I highly apologise for not correcting this issue sooner.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
if that true, korean off why have 4 powerful fish to 4 elcyum powder, what you say its only west applied, nowhere else.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Sure, here is a list of ways you can get currency that "feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required":
1. Make Ncstore event items be untradable, ppl get a lot of adena from events, so anything you can get from rewards boxes, abundance event, hungry horse event, red libra, or anything else, make it untradable, because ppl sell those items and make adena sooo easy.
2. make ncstore items like xp runes, vit potions and anything else you can buy from ncoins untradable too, in fact, delete the gift button, thats another way to make easy adena.
3. Go back to bounded items so if ppl make dark, bloody gear, +++ armors and weapons they cant trade it too, because ppl enjoys enchanting gear and then making a lot of adena so easy selling those items.
4. Make all drops be untradable, dark stones, bloody stones for armors and weapons, mats, recipes, soulshots, crystals, potions, all you can trade in the game, make it untradable once you pick it up, or buy it from the grocery untradable, so ppl can make adena with it because it is so extremely rewarding to make adena sellings those items.
5. Delete the auction house NPC because ppl make a lot of adena putting their items for sale there with an extremely rewarding profit.
6. Also take mammon out from every city and stop letting castle owners putting taxes, and that one is a REALLY EXTREMELY REWARDING WAY TO GET CURRENCY, so they cant make adena again.
7. In fact why dont you just delete all adena and let ppl unable to trade anything, i think thats a fair way to let the game continues and every body will be happy with whatever they get with faming or playing this game.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
What the lineage II Team does not understand is that you cannot fool peole like this..
People Work for Money... in the fishing event some people spent Real money for taking fancy fishing rods.
For sure it was their choice , but you never mentioned before Fishing Event that the prices will change.
Since people spend real money and their time on this game... The Lineage II Team should be more serious and respectful to players.
Someone could say that this is a SCAM ....
moreover even milk or cans has expiration dates...to warn people.
The real question is : " do you respect players time and money or not ?? "
And please don;t give us appreciation packs for this it is ironical....
This was one of the only ways the majority of the populace could make money, and now you've taken that from them. Why should they continue to play? Progression is solely through the NStore, but you have no game if your community dies.
Why not implement an adena token much like what Blizzard did with WoW tokens? Players can buy a token with Ncoin and sell it through the auction house for adena, while players with hundreds of billions of adena to spend can buy up those tokens in exchange for an Ncoin balance?
This way no new adena is being generated, but an economy can still continue to flourish.
Also, and this is the big one, so I'll put it in bold, NCWEST STILL GETS PAID.
I also love that you guys think that anything exceptionally rewarding is to be punished. This is a game, not a labor camp! How could you possibly think this type of language is becoming of a video game support staff? I get that your internal memos use such negative language, but you're not supposed to let your player-base know you don't care about them what-so-ever. Absolutely pathetic. Would you like us to lick your boots, too?
This is pretty much spot on. There are no exceptionally rewarding moves to make in this game anymore. I would think adding a carrot on the end of a stick for the player base that doesn't involve purchasing hundreds to thousands of dollars of ncoin a month/year, would help you, as they may be inclined to stay with the game longer if there was some semblance of a 'reward' occasionally.
Fishing alone, although profitable, was no means to an end. It was a luxury to give players a reliable revenue stream, I'm sure some folks did their fair share to cash in on it, but for the folks doing it to make a little on the side, this is a crushing blow.
There are no quality adena drops in normal xp zones or instance.
There are no quality item drops in normal xp zones or instances.
The only source for full items are open raids (sorta, not really great) and epic raids (controlled by certain clans).
And please don;t give us appreciation packs for this it is ironical....
Appreciation pack with 10 elcyum powder probably...lol
Im just starting to ask myself if this is a private server or a server linked to Korea owners, do they know what do you do with your players?, do they let you change the game updates to make them more "appopiate" for our region?, or you just do whatever you want, make money and dont even bother to let them know about your profits?
Dude if i were your CEO i would start firing some ppl before my bussines center in NA stops being lucrative.
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As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
Nc soft wake up people quit from server. 2 year was 5 server now 3... Zaken the new server dead.
More 2-3 month and Naia empty. and your problem the fishing? We have problem :No drop no class balance but scripts and bots Gz nice job yeah support for game and Gm activatet its Zero....
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@Conguero
As far as I know you read this topic, let me just ask a question. Let say I'm new player in L2, have nothing, literally fresher. I got to 85 lvl got paulina's set for 30 days. After 30 days I lost it. Question is: how can i buy new equipment now if there is no way to get adena at the moment? I'll count no answer as "BUY NCCOINS AND TRY TO EXCHANGE THEM FOR ADENA".
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It is expected from a customer to react with anger when you do something that it is clearly a scam, you can disguise it as chance (in those reward events), balance (in what you just do with fishing), or whatever else you do, you really dont put any effor in figthing vs 3rd party programs, ppl still bot and you dont do nothing.
If I spend my money on something i expect to feel satisfied, but in this game you can spend even 1000 USD dollars and still get nothing. So how do you expect ppl to react? "Oh im so happy that i just expend $1000 dollars in a game and i didn't got nothing", thats not balance, if I expend my money in something I expect something in exchange.
There is no balance, there is no fair rewards, there is no more enjoyment in a game controlled by a few who have more money to expend (because they make money with RMT).
At least with a premium paid shotter game i can be more satisfied it is just skill, if someone kills my char i can sneak and use a knife. In this game if someone have more items than you, dont even try to kill him you really will never be able to do that.e
Dont treat your playes like cows who you can milk money, there is a point where ppl will get tired of this and when that happens 100 players in a server will not be enough to pay your salary.
Please share your feedback in a more thoughtful, constructive manner. Circumventing the profanity filter, insulting NCSOFT staff, making derogatory comments, and any other form of rage-posting will only demerit your opinions and undermine your reasons for taking exception to this change.Be an adult and take the adult language. You're playing the part of community manager of a company that has just made an incredibly poor and unpopular decision. Is swinging the ban hammer on every account that voices their displeasure the correct course of action? All you'd accomplish by doing that is just prove just how weak your argument is. Hiding those customers behind the guise of unprofessionalism is a complete sham, and you know this.
If fishing was extremely profitable, next server maintenance you will delete gainak war(1 clan hog cancer place), nerva orc merchants (3bil per day) and EVERY SINGLE raid boss (that are killed again by one clan/person 10 seconds after spawn)?
If fishing was extremely profitable, next server maintenance you will delete gainak war(1 clan hog cancer place), nerva orc merchants (3bil per day) and EVERY SINGLE raid boss (that are killed again by one clan/person 10 seconds after spawn)?
+1 to this. This is an extrmely profitable action in game, it should never exist!!! :p
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The only "benefical" thing is to cancel all subscriptions for at least 3 month ;) You scamed us hard, so the right answer for this scam is to cancel your revenues :D
Might aswell remove adena completely from the game I mean how do you make now with all the ways to do it removed, just get it over with and move to nccoin only game.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
Congratulations to the team of ncsoft in their eagerness to finish the game
I would like to know if developers are aware of the changes you are making here.
You should create a character, and try to upload it in the same conditions that they submit to us, see how it goes so that they can talk later.
Before this was a balanced game, which pleased to play, today no longer because they lost the horizon of the game
It is sad to see that they are not interested in anything that this game lasts in time. As is the adena drop rate and articles currently (-200% ??????) I would like to know how these rates are, dare to publish them?
Maybe they are right and for those who have or have event canes is a business for which we pay, for those who do not have them will also be business ?, So they offer them if they later tease the players in their face this way .
That's scam who protects players from this type of scam?
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Wanna set things up? give 8k nccoin for each account that have a fancy fishing rod.
A lot of bought the fishing baits packs to get the rod, cause it was the only possible way to make a tiny bit of adena (the "profit" of fishing was around 20m adena per day, when you consider the eletricity bill you are paying it is so not profitable).
Another option is to adjust the rate to trade powerful fish and elcyum powder to around 9:3 proportion, this way no one can make adena from it, but at least makes the rod still usuable.
You guys need to admit that you scammed all players that bought those baits packs to get the fancy fishing rod. Period.
yea totally true ! ncoins aren't lucrative for game economy not at all.
also ppl that fishing they decide to "waste/spent" some hours/days doing that than anything else in game just to get the "extremely adena profit" ! That also You bring to game with heine expectation event
By supporting/ buying ncoins shouldn't be the way if u wanna play the game u should pay. Its just a benefit YOU offer to players who wanna support you and themselves in game too.
After all, You are the master... u move ur magic stick and the sheep dance !
Be an adult and take the adult language. You're playing the part of community manager of a company that has just made an incredibly poor and unpopular decision. Is swinging the ban hammer on every account that voices their displeasure the correct course of action? All you'd accomplish by doing that is just prove just how weak your argument is. Hiding those customers behind the guise of unprofessionalism is a complete sham, and you know this.
I for one , can honestly feel the discomfort of Conguero having to deal with this issue alone. Our questions should be answered by the Producer himself. We deserve that much at least.
Conguero, so you're offended by bad language? Maybe your customer base is offended at the decision you made, and the impact it has.
You should be looking at resolving this issue, because obviously you dropped a ball here, we are the CUSTOMER base, and whilst not always correct, we matter, our opinions matter.
threats to silence dissenters never works well in real life or server chat
and by the way, if you see prices on naia you would not say the fishing adena is bountiful .. ten months of saving MIGHT get a +10 set for my chara. you DO know how long ten months is don't you? that's about how long it's (not) taken you to fix many other bugs.
your business model looks like it feeds the people who control the ingame stuff a revenue stream, rather than players generating their own, whose side are you on?
Well,
yes u could earn a money, by using fishing system
soo u should nerf drops from open field rb's and dragons and put some modyfication/apperace scrolls/stone
U forgot to nerf Dark Eternal Stone nerf in gainiak village
also u should change EAR price from cubics and fame
Also u should change free teleports to 1kk++ more to force ppl too use "My Teleports"
What is the purpose of fishing, then? I mean, by design, since it turns out it wasn't created for players to be able to earn adena in game.
- it makes you lose adena as you now get less than you invest
- xp is low (with fancy rod which is very expensive you get around 0.14% a day at lvl 101)
- you can get Fish Stew that gives you a +3 stat for 30min, appearance items that almost no one likes and some expertise rune packs, Are they the reason for developing the whole fishing system and faction?
I invested my adena in Fancy Rods as it was not communicated to me that the profit from fishing is a result of a bug which will be fixed at some point.
I bought my first Rod at the very beginning when the price was around 10bil (was happy to get it for 9bil, all adena I had lol). After the next fishing event I 'invested' what I earned in another one, a bit cheaper as there were more on the market. Now I have 2 worthless items that no one will buy.
I find it very ironic that fishing before the update was considered "extremely lucrative" and "exceptionally rewarding for the effort required", as I've been fishing for the last two years and still can't afford a good weapon that would let me do 101+ instances and hunting zones which have been created for players with very good gear. Is there another way to earn adena or does free to play end at lvl 99?
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What can i say? Ncsoft on USA is tottaly lost. They are killing the game and they even know how to stop the Quiting waves of players.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
This is not your customers fault. And I think your development team are making a huge mistake.
You labeling this "Lucrative" is pretty outrageous as well.
In the end, this won't help your bottom line. Your moderate donators who were relying on this tiny adena stream to supplement their failures on events due to your horrible success rates now have no options.
For me personally, it was my only light at the end of the tunnel. That even when I failed hugely at events, I would still be able to come up with something concrete using adena....some day!
The people buying Ncoin from players with adena will dry up. The donators who were selling to players to get adena will diminish.
I rarely complain about changes to the game. It's your game and if I don't like it I can simply spend my money elsewhere. But this has to be the STUPIDEST thing you have ever done. And your justification for it is even worse. God forbid anyone would ever make any adena in the game without paying NCSoft for it. Seriously, you insult your player base with both this move and that rationale. Are you really trying to kill this goose that lays the golden eggs?
Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner.
Excuse after excuse after excuse.
In that case I also want you to change all of the other Elcyum requirements for every other item ingame, since you openly admitted the database value should be much higher then anticipated.
EXAMPLES
Merchant of Mammon: "I want to see Elcyum." - "I want to exchange a Giant's Augmenting Stone for something." Life Stone Instilled' wich Giant's Power requires 50 x Elcyum. It should be 12 Elcyum and 5 Elcyum Crystals based on your same format with the Powerfull Fish.
While you at it.
Seed Talisman Manager: "I want to exchange a Seed Talisman for a High-grade Talisman." Any Elcyum requirment for upgrading and boosting the chance to get a Hellfire, Desire, Longing should be devided by 4 aswell. Since you change the database value of Elcyum from 50 million to 200 million in a previous update without changing any of the required amount of Elcyum you need for such transactions.
While you at it. Guess what. Elcyum is being used for alot more then that.
Boosting the Succes Chance of creating Items from Normal to Blessed, Bloody or Dark at the Blacksmith of Mammon.
Antharas Watchman Theodric, Aden's Wizard Jenna and Valakas Watchman Klein for the requirements for Dragon Weapons should also be divided by 4 since it was based on pre-changed Elcyum Database aswell.
You are the ones who started changing. Then ffs change everything that's has something to do with the old Elcyum database values.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
Sir, your customer service is a travesty.
Do not give us this BS story about "extremely lucrative". Only 2 months ago you happily sold us "fancy" fishing poles for ridiculous amounts of REAL money. But you failed to mention that you would make them virtually WORTHLESS a short while later.
That is FRAUD, Sir.
Never had that fancy fishing rod, and always felt opressed, as it used to be making 140 catches while my lv5 really non-donator fishing rod barely did 40 catches / hour.
Funny stories about fishermen cancelling their fake subscriptions. I hope they do realize that their premium runes ain't working with a fishing rod.
Plus, servers are not lagging any more, first time of a long period after maintenance, gave lots of positive experiences today.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
I can't believe you've actually said this :D
ps: check reputation managers and oly managers who trade EWR EAR scrolls and codexes - too easy adena imo.
Please explain to hs why anyone would spend money on this game when you are killing every method of making adena within the game. Surely you understand that we are your customers and without your customers your business wont run.
The product that you are delivering get worse as each event and update goes by.
You keep introducing game breaking items such as these claocks recently where u have to pay alot of money to get something good. On the ofher hand for players who are new or are trying to get adena within the game your destroy one of their farming methods.
But maybe we the customers are the naive ones here. Perhaps you guys have already given up on lineage2 and are trying to milk out as much money as you can till the bitter end, judgeing by the promos and the updates this does seem to be the case.
Sir, your customer service is a travesty.
Do not give us this BS story about "extremely lucrative". Only 2 months ago you happily sold us "fancy" fishing poles for ridiculous amounts of REAL money. But you failed to mention that you would make them virtually WORTHLESS a short while later.
That is FRAUD, Sir.
+1
Also in Europe, RU and Japan I did not see any changes like this til this day. Since when is NCwest taking ninja patches before other regions even receive them. Other regions are so much closer to Korea development team then you are. Personal Request to change?
I expect 20% or more population drop next weeks. Some of my Friends wanted to quit. Now they got their reasons.
hello eveyone
well ... bb and good luck with this game from me and my friends...
"finally we get lvl99 to delete this immortal event armor :S"
nothing more to say
have fun :)
"Whether your post will add any value to this topic, or whether you're contributing anything other than an expression of anger" Conguero
Not sure if there is anything else to add.
Players have been adding "value" to this topic since day one.
Too bad Game Managers failed to listen to their player base. Sadly, I'm sure I am not the only player with that opinion.
To anyone even considering playing this game:
I STRONGLY emphasize to stay as far away from this game as possible.
To the management team:
I will NEVER spend another US dollar on this game. You have my word.
On a positive note, maybe more people will attend castle sieges now. They surely won't be fishing! Oh, perhaps that was the idea all along... get people to stop fishing so they can get one shot at a castle siege?
That sounds like a fun Sunday evening of game play!
P.s.Go find some typos in game and fix them. That's what they pay you GMs for now, right?
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
Dear Conguero:
Fishing is absurd and absolutely pointless now, we don't come to L2 to fish. Please remove all fishing items except rods and shots and let's keep those for events only. Events like the Heine Fishing Event are good because the rewards match the investment, note that I did not say exceptionally good so please do not nerf those. As for existing fishing items set up an NPC to reimburse players for them and just get this whole thing over with. Don't forget to delete the fishing faction from the game also. By the way the fishing faction quest "To Revive The Fishing Guild" is kind off insulting right now, so please delete that first. Thanks
Ps. I cannot believe you used this phrase: "If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.". This was unnecessarily inflammatory for the community.
I suggest mass quoting permanently or temporary for all the players who do not want/like/afford selling their inner organs for this "old times" nice game
This as someone who fishies 24/7 has master pole 5 and fish faction maxed out wtf is there is there now that you have nerfed it?
Dear Conguero:
Fishing is absurd and absolutely pointless now, we don't come to L2 to fish. Please remove all fishing items except rods and shots and let's keep those for events only. Events like the Heine Fishing Event are good because the rewards match the investment, note that I did not say exceptionally good so please do not nerf those. As for existing fishing items set up an NPC to reimburse players for them and just get this whole thing over with. Don't forget to delete the fishing faction from the game also. By the way the fishing faction quest "To Revive The Fishing Guild" is kind of insulting right now, so please delete that first. Thanks
Ps. I cannot believe you used this phrase: "If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.". This was unnecessarily inflammatory for the community.
Although I am fairly certain that you have done your due diligence before making the decision of drastically changing the exchange rate for powerful fish in the game, as a long time player, I feel the need to give my two cents about what I consider is not only a bad business decision but also a con towards the players of this game. A bad business decision and a con followed by what can only be a flourished lie to attempt to cover your backs by claiming this was an oversight. Oversight as rumors have it, Korean servers used to also change the rate from 4:3 to 4:4 and not to 12:3.
According to you claim this oversight allowed an “extremely lucrative” system exist for, I don’t have the exact dates, what is rumored to be over two years. Lets first analyze the fallacy of this statement.
This calculation is made assuming all towns in game are not dark and therefore lure can be purchased at the NPC price of 24,000 adena each. If one purchases 20,000 lure and 20,000 fishing shots, representing a total cost of 492 million Adena and a player has acquired a fancy fishing rod (this is the part of the con I will address later) and can fish for a continuous period of 24h a day during 6/7 days, he/she will use all the lures. The average acquisition of powerful fish/ugly fish/nimble fish, with variations to be considered from the randomness of the engine, is something like this (note that this does not take into account the quest reward which varies as a higher level of the faction is obtained):
488 Powerful fish
4067 Nimble fish
11,131 Ugly fish
With this a player can exchange the powerful fish and sell the elcyum powder to the npc for 732 million adena, adding the npc price of the nimble fish, 5,000 adena each, for a total of 20,335,000 adena, and the ugly fish 2,500 each, 27,827,500 yielding a total amount of 780,162,500 adena made. If from this we subtract the original cost of 492 million adena and the cost of restocking shots which comes to about 5,000 shots needed to reach the 20,000 mark again (3 million adena), players would be left with a profit of 285,162,500 adena every 6/7 days of fishing. With this system a player, following the above calculations, could make 1,425,812,500 adena in 1 month. Let’s see this “extremely lucrative” system at play with a few market prices for items shall we?
The prices I will list for the items are todays’ prices acquired from the auction house, neither the cheapest not the most expensive ones but somewhere in between:
Bloody amaranthine weapon 2/3 SA, +12 for 35 billion adena = 24 months
Dark amaranthine weapon 2/3 SA, +12 for 40 billion adena = 28 months
Lindvior Earring +5 for 70 billion adena = 49 months
+10 Dark eternal gauntlets for 21 billion adena = 10 months (being extremely generous and calculating the price of all items to be the same to complete a set = 50 months).
Rulers authority belt +6 for 45 billion = 31 months
I have chosen “end game” items (to a certain extent), to illustrate this “extremely lucrative” system in all its glory.
Please keep in mind that this only applies if you have a Fancy fishing rod, if you have gone through the trouble of respecting game mechanics and finally managed to get your hands on a Master Fishing Rod stage 5, this process will take 5 times as long, yielding a profit of 285,162,500 adena per month. Feel free to multiply how long it would take you to use this “Extremely lucrative” system to acquire the items listed above.
Let us move on now to one of the cons that have taken place from your part, towards the players of this game, the Fancy fishing rods.
While it is true that the original purpose of a fancy fishing rod was to promote the sale of nccoins to acquire fishing lure and level faster, with the increased fishing rate and % of bonus xp, the only real reason that there are so many fishing rods in the market is because of the current exchange rate of powerful fish to elcyum powder from the npc.
In order to acquire a Fancy fishing rod someone, need not be the player who acquires the rod, has to pay real life money to acquire nccoins, in order to acquire lure, that in turn is used to acquire the embryo chests that contain the Heine fishing coins, which are necessary to finally trade for a Fancy fishing rod.
In average, and for the sake of argument, lets establish that the amount of lures needed to acquire a fancy fishing rod is 20,000 (17,000 Heine fishing coins). In order to acquire 20,000 fishing lures it is necessary to purchase 24,000 nc coins or its equivalent of 300$ USD.
So here you have a player who decides to spend 300$ USD and ends up acquiring the xp from the lures and a system to make adena in game, not a lot of adena, most definitely not an “Extremely lucrative” way of making adena, but enough to cover shots, stews, art rose for instances and a few other consumables that without a doubt make game play more enjoyable. A few months later part of this 300$ USD investment is deleted from game and no longer can be used, effectively rendering this item worthless, since it becomes not a source of making adena, but an adena sink, since it will not even cover costs.
So while players buy fancy rods, which again can only be acquired by someone using real life money, the reason why so many fancy rods are purchased is later on eliminated from the game, thus effectively turning the selling of nccoins to acquire fishing rods into a con. I know what some people are thinking right about now, well you got what you paid for, the lure to get xp and a possible juicy reward from the event. While this is true it most certainly does not justify neither the amount of fancy rods in the server nor the amount of players fishing at all times of the day, making it easy to see that those people are there fishing because they make a profit, possibility that exists due to having purchased a fancy fishing rod, which in turn was acquired with real money. While this does not apply to all players, some cannot afford a fancy fishing rod, it also applies to the players who have leveled the fishing faction and crafted a level 5 Master fishing rod, which although it is not mentioned by most is also useless when it comes to making a profit. Another con would be that one of the rewards from the fishing event were chili and cream stews, which will be removed from the game in coming patches.
If anything the fact that fancy rods can only be acquired with real money should protect the fishing system from ever be tampered with unless it is to the benefit of the player base, like it seems the Koreans had the good sense of doing.
Another thing to consider is the complete lack of warning. Not only the rates were changed but they were changed giving players a warning of 1 day and without saying what this change would represent exactly. I am fairly certain that when this post was made ncsoft already knew the rate they were going to implement, yet no warning was given to the players, no chance of recovering at least part of the investment by finishing the lures players had to turn a profit, nothing. Some players have just bought their fancy fishing rods in the hopes of making a profit and finally have some oxygen when it comes to making adena in this game.
While it could be argued that there are other ways of making adena in this game, it was made clear by ncsoft that these systems, if they exist, will be swiftly corrected when found.
Now for the portion of why this is a bad business decision (in my opinion of course, since this is my opinion and not someone elses’). One of the engines behind the sale of a considerable proportion of nccoins in the server is that people trade nccoins for adena. Not everyone who buys nccoins does so to use it themselves. A part of those nccooins being acquired comes from people being able to make adena in the game. By removing one of the only, if not the only, real way people have to make adena in the game you will be reducing the acquisition of nccoins. Obviously I have no figures to support this but I am certain more ppl would trade adena for nccoins if there were more ways of making adena in the game.
I've been playing this game for years and I've never spoken to anything in this forum, I'm very outraged at what's happening with NC2 in the NCWEST community, I do not want to play any more because I need to spend a lot of money to get something, space with the Europeans who dominate the servers by the force of their currency, every event that happens I do not participate because I have to spend so I have the chance, I said CHANCE because I know that the probability of conquest today has become ZERO. lststore has become the only goal of NCWEST, then when you see an honest way to win adena in the game the staff has the brilliant idea to take this possibility, instead of fixing the ridiculous dropes of the instances that only modify armor, appearance that does not have no value, which is not good for selling in npc. You are condemning l2, who today became the one with the most money is the strongest. I know people who spent a thousand dollars in this cloak event and were not successful, this discourages your player who is actually your customer. Very sad about the situation. Stopping playing ....
"This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices." ?
I am starting to believe it has to be a personal request by NCwest to change the value's since it was not adjusted in any other region where L2 can be found.
EU no change. RU no change. JP no change and even KR powerwiki still say 3 Elcyum Powder for 4 Powerfull Fish.
"This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices." ?
oh guys...
u wasting ur time talkin here.
the ncwest staff dont even care about what u sayin
they dont even reading this,they just did the update and all they care is money and NO OFFEND THE NC STAFF thats all.
end of the story. :rolleyes:
I am starting to believe it has to be a personal request by NCwest to change the value's since it was not adjusted in any other region where L2 can be found.
EU no change. RU no change. JP no change and even KR powerwiki still say 3 Elcyum Powder for 12 Powerfull Fish.
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
~Thanks
At least there is a hope it was a mistake.
Please seriously consider requesting the development team (if this is actually their idea) to reverse it. As you know, Ncoin is not the currency for the game. People buying ncoin will not be able to convert ncoin to gear. They need to sell it to the public in order to get other stuff. I am not saying the BOT community not capable to supply the market, but if not many consumers out here, ncoin price will drop to a point where you are better off to just buy adena from RMTers. If that's the case, it would be a lose-lose situation to both Ncsoft and the community. Fishing is not a big loophole to generate adena like you said, it takes week to stay on and investment. It's not like the 85 below Kamael archers can run in millions.
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
~Thanks
just plz dont call it fixes it have other name i dont wanna say it for no offense :cool:
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I understand. This is how you trying to avoid an inflation.
But come on, elcyum is kinda useless item.
I mean it's good item, but worth only sell in grocery.
Reduce the price of Giant LS (it's 50 elcyums now).
So players wil buy elcyum from each other for make this life stones.
Right now price is insane:
(5000 * 2m) + (50 * 12m) = 10.6 billions for 1 life stone.
Do something to make people trade with each other instead of grocery.
The way to avoid inflation: make people to SPEND adena (like buying something from npc)
Reduce income is a bad idea...
You're capitalists, you should know such a basic things.
Regards.
P.S: I still ain't angry. I had 1500 power fishes and I lost kinda much adena...
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
~Thanks
I really hope NCWest correct the exchange rate back. Besides the many $$ spent on this game, this was my only other source of adena to continue to play. If this is not fixed soon, I will no longer be playing which NCSoft will loose additional $$ income and the game will soon be dead as others are following in the same footsteps.
I have spent a lot of $$ (24K NC coins) to acquire a fancy fishing rod and did not even come close to recovering the amount spent.
I typically do not post much in the forums, but this is a game breaker.
i just sit back and watch :D
Time: 3:50 am
Chronos 3386/3407 "Shop 331"
NAIA 1261/2121 "Shop 171"
FREYA 1633/1645 "Shop 153"
5 day and this activation will be half :P
Those who online in servers just not know the new nerf, soon or later will be half offline :P
or replaced with bots and gms not ban it for keep the online count for high.
I will throw in my 2 eurocents on this topic .
NCSOFT you made us play the fish event and dream on having a fancy rod ... you changed the prices for elcy in grocery from 500k to 2kk ... we where all excited cause we could actually use the Fancys for more then just xp and play the event .
Now after 2 months .. you practically shot all of us who trusted you in the face .
We can imagine this happening on private servers where many are property of money hungry kids who would squeez players for money till they give up.
I never imagined that NCSOFT will sink so low as to nerf something that was in game for a very long time .. and call it a bug ...
I am very dissapointed and sad .. i was here since day one of this game launching .
We trusted you with our money on the Fish expeditio .. and now you made all of us feel cheated .
I have spent over 10000€ on the events you'f had .. to support the server .. and all for what ?
You simply do not care anymore about the community , you forgot how to listen .
I will be following this topic to the end .
Just open your eyes .. see the signs .. this poison might kill the player base for good .
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
Even if you "fix" this "fix", how do you expect us to trust anything you sell? Please, take a moment to clarify your "2015" links before you make it a part of the game next time.
Why is this even an issue? How hard is it to keep a 13 year old game going?
All you have to do is copy and paste some of the older events.
You know, the ones that made L2 fun. Actual events where you can progress in game by killing monsters and turn in for a reward.
IDK / maybe it is better if you all just stop doing anything to the game at all. Don't even do the weekly maintenance anymore. Just let her run. Thanks.
I will be filing a class action law suit, enough is enough... Any persons wanting to be a part of this lawsuit plz contact me. thru message on forums or in game mail on chronos. Have a attorney who specializes in gaming lawsuits who is drooling over this....
Another one that sues NCsoft on the forums, lolz.
"Virtual fisherman of Lineage 2 vs NCSoft"
Back to the L2Store, until it's providing "exceptionally" good profit. Might not be good for much longer though xD
Although I am fairly certain that you have done your due diligence before making the decision of drastically changing the exchange rate for powerful fish in the game, as a long time player, I feel the need to give my two cents about what I consider is not only a bad business decision but also a con towards the players of this game. A bad business decision and a con followed by what can only be a flourished lie to attempt to cover your backs by claiming this was an oversight. Oversight as rumors have it, Korean servers used to also change the rate from 4:3 to 4:4 and not to 12:3.
According to you claim this oversight allowed an “extremely lucrative” system exist for, I don’t have the exact dates, what is rumored to be over two years. Lets first analyze the fallacy of this statement.
This calculation is made assuming all towns in game are not dark and therefore lure can be purchased at the NPC price of 24,000 adena each. If one purchases 20,000 lure and 20,000 fishing shots, representing a total cost of 492 million Adena and a player has acquired a fancy fishing rod (this is the part of the con I will address later) and can fish for a continuous period of 24h a day during 6/7 days, he/she will use all the lures. The average acquisition of powerful fish/ugly fish/nimble fish, with variations to be considered from the randomness of the engine, is something like this (note that this does not take into account the quest reward which varies as a higher level of the faction is obtained):
488 Powerful fish
4067 Nimble fish
11,131 Ugly fish
With this a player can exchange the powerful fish and sell the elcyum powder to the npc for 732 million adena, adding the npc price of the nimble fish, 5,000 adena each, for a total of 20,335,000 adena, and the ugly fish 2,500 each, 27,827,500 yielding a total amount of 780,162,500 adena made. If from this we subtract the original cost of 492 million adena and the cost of restocking shots which comes to about 5,000 shots needed to reach the 20,000 mark again (3 million adena), players would be left with a profit of 285,162,500 adena every 6/7 days of fishing. With this system a player, following the above calculations, could make 1,425,812,500 adena in 1 month. Let’s see this “extremely lucrative” system at play with a few market prices for items shall we?
The prices I will list for the items are todays’ prices acquired from the auction house, neither the cheapest not the most expensive ones but somewhere in between:
Bloody amaranthine weapon 2/3 SA, +12 for 35 billion adena = 24 months
Dark amaranthine weapon 2/3 SA, +12 for 40 billion adena = 28 months
Lindvior Earring +5 for 70 billion adena = 49 months
+10 Dark eternal gauntlets for 21 billion adena = 10 months (being extremely generous and calculating the price of all items to be the same to complete a set = 50 months).
Rulers authority belt +6 for 45 billion = 31 months
I have chosen “end game” items (to a certain extent), to illustrate this “extremely lucrative” system in all its glory.
Please keep in mind that this only applies if you have a Fancy fishing rod, if you have gone through the trouble of respecting game mechanics and finally managed to get your hands on a Master Fishing Rod stage 5, this process will take 5 times as long, yielding a profit of 285,162,500 adena per month. Feel free to multiply how long it would take you to use this “Extremely lucrative” system to acquire the items listed above.
Let us move on now to one of the cons that have taken place from your part, towards the players of this game, the Fancy fishing rods.
While it is true that the original purpose of a fancy fishing rod was to promote the sale of nccoins to acquire fishing lure and level faster, with the increased fishing rate and % of bonus xp, the only real reason that there are so many fishing rods in the market is because of the current exchange rate of powerful fish to elcyum powder from the npc.
In order to acquire a Fancy fishing rod someone, need not be the player who acquires the rod, has to pay real life money to acquire nccoins, in order to acquire lure, that in turn is used to acquire the embryo chests that contain the Heine fishing coins, which are necessary to finally trade for a Fancy fishing rod.
In average, and for the sake of argument, lets establish that the amount of lures needed to acquire a fancy fishing rod is 20,000 (17,000 Heine fishing coins). In order to acquire 20,000 fishing lures it is necessary to purchase 24,000 nc coins or its equivalent of 300$ USD.
So here you have a player who decides to spend 300$ USD and ends up acquiring the xp from the lures and a system to make adena in game, not a lot of adena, most definitely not an “Extremely lucrative” way of making adena, but enough to cover shots, stews, art rose for instances and a few other consumables that without a doubt make game play more enjoyable. A few months later part of this 300$ USD investment is deleted from game and no longer can be used, effectively rendering this item worthless, since it becomes not a source of making adena, but an adena sink, since it will not even cover costs.
So while players buy fancy rods, which again can only be acquired by someone using real life money, the reason why so many fancy rods are purchased is later on eliminated from the game, thus effectively turning the selling of nccoins to acquire fishing rods into a con. I know what some people are thinking right about now, well you got what you paid for, the lure to get xp and a possible juicy reward from the event. While this is true it most certainly does not justify neither the amount of fancy rods in the server nor the amount of players fishing at all times of the day, making it easy to see that those people are there fishing because they make a profit, possibility that exists due to having purchased a fancy fishing rod, which in turn was acquired with real money. While this does not apply to all players, some cannot afford a fancy fishing rod, it also applies to the players who have leveled the fishing faction and crafted a level 5 Master fishing rod, which although it is not mentioned by most is also useless when it comes to making a profit. Another con would be that one of the rewards from the fishing event were chili and cream stews, which will be removed from the game in coming patches.
If anything the fact that fancy rods can only be acquired with real money should protect the fishing system from ever be tampered with unless it is to the benefit of the player base, like it seems the Koreans had the good sense of doing.
Another thing to consider is the complete lack of warning. Not only the rates were changed but they were changed giving players a warning of 1 day and without saying what this change would represent exactly. I am fairly certain that when this post was made ncsoft already knew the rate they were going to implement, yet no warning was given to the players, no chance of recovering at least part of the investment by finishing the lures players had to turn a profit, nothing. Some players have just bought their fancy fishing rods in the hopes of making a profit and finally have some oxygen when it comes to making adena in this game.
While it could be argued that there are other ways of making adena in this game, it was made clear by ncsoft that these systems, if they exist, will be swiftly corrected when found.
Now for the portion of why this is a bad business decision (in my opinion of course, since this is my opinion and not someone elses’). One of the engines behind the sale of a considerable proportion of nccoins in the server is that people trade nccoins for adena. Not everyone who buys nccoins does so to use it themselves. A part of those nccooins being acquired comes from people being able to make adena in the game. By removing one of the only, if not the only, real way people have to make adena in the game you will be reducing the acquisition of nccoins. Obviously I have no figures to support this but I am certain more ppl would trade adena for nccoins if there were more ways of making adena in the game.
Here in America people have jobs, and with these jobs they can afford to pay an attorney to do just about anything when you chose to sue someone. I understand in some of your third world countries you can not afford such a luxury same as with the L2Store. But the thing about running a company in USA you are held to a standard and law and smart companies settle out of court before it reaches a trial. Jus a bit of knowledge on the world outside of your little towns/villages :p
Here in America people have jobs, and with these jobs they can afford to pay an attorney to do just about anything when you chose to sue someone. I understand in some of your third world countries you can not afford such a luxury same as with the L2Store. But the thing about running a company in USA you are held to a standard and law and smart companies settle out of court before it reaches a trial. Jus a bit of knowledge on the world outside of your little towns/villages :p
But I like my village...Everything is for sale there.
Here in America people have jobs, and with these jobs they can afford to pay an attorney to do just about anything when you chose to sue someone. I understand in some of your third world countries you can not afford such a luxury same as with the L2Store. But the thing about running a company in USA you are held to a standard and law and smart companies settle out of court before it reaches a trial. Jus a bit of knowledge on the world outside of your little towns/villages :p
We live in better places, Mr."I'll sue NCSoft on the forums" xD
Also if the L2Store is about being affordable for you, for some of us it makes no sense. We know that the eduction in the US is poor, no blame there. You're thought to work and pay taxes and spend money on your free time and call it a life.Now imagine that there are ppl that are free to do whatever they want and live as they find fit, defining their own style of living and thinking, not sheeple that you've been grown into.
For me it was the end of the bite. I do not feel like playing anymore. They took the drops, spoil and now the adena of the game. Do Koreans know about these attitudes?
Oh...boy....I just came online to forum...and wow...what a mess!
Dear Neutron,
Any chance you can revert the exchange rate back? So many players are feeling furious now. I logged into the game to do my quick dailies earlier today, and angry shouts everywhere and now this...in the forum.
I don't think this is good for you.
September preview was getting late and I was feeling kinda ticked-off by the sudden cloak promo out of nowhere, too. You know why? Right before the Cloak Promo, I had over 4k+ Hero coins and I used them all to get 2 x Longing + 4 x Mystic soul crystals. Had I known what was coming, I could've easily been the first guy with +20 cloaks. So yeah...I was feeling kinda sour...and I am sorry if the joke really got to you.
Anyways...this is just bad...no hope for adena for new comers and returners.
Will you at least consider boosting the Drops then? So the Active players, not afkers, can actually have some hopes and goals to work towards?
You can remove the modify scrolls from the drop table from all RBs(k95,k99, Baylor, Af, shilen, tauti, istina...etc.) and replace them with decent drops.
Come~on~What do you say?
Come on~Neutron~let's be friends, shall we? The game needs PvE goals.
I have a friend Ingame who plays L2 cuz he is a handy-capped teenager. He doesn't have friends in real life, poor kid in the house most of the time with his mom taking care of him...Not a rich family so he plays L2 without much Nstore. He does buy stuff when he gets some money from his working mom...like $20 bucks or $30 bucks sometimes...but most of the time, he just plays to achieve his goals within the game. Would it be possible for us to help this poor kid? Come on Neutron~ I know you are a good man. I believe in you.
According to my calculator , to get one elcyum powder will cost you 4.7~4.8m each and you have to catch it yourself :D
Imagine the profit of the AH managers that hold the stock of elcyum powder and elcyum atm :d
Oh and btw it looks like alot of ppl couldnt exchange powerfull fishes at old rates ;d and they actualy lost :d
I hope you read my post....I promise I will not curse you or NcSoft.
I begin to say you rich the lowest, the bottom of players patience.
You are struggleing to cut any posibility to earn adena or items just by playing the game and that couse a very bad situation, and not only that...in last 6-8 months you cut the end game items who were availble for not so much $$$ during events... I will explain you in simple terms:
You know Vilfredo Pareto rule....he said is universaly valabile and he was right...That it is 80%-20% but from my experience is more like 75%-25%.
What that mean? 20% of player base buy large amount of ncoin and make most of your profit ...80% play the game for free.
Those 20% players hold 80% adena from server...the remaining 20% adena is distributed on 80% of ppl who play for free.
Now lets see the general profile of ppl who own 80% of adena:
-He is usually an "overspender".
-He is without a doubt 104-105 lvl on main and dualclass.
-In terms of equipment he is what we call Top Equip-usually he miss only 1 thing...dragon weapon.
Why I said its bad earlier....You, instead of trying to balance those 80-20, what you do? Cuting more and more from those 80% of freeplayers :).
Please notice, players who own 80% of server adena have no desire to contribute to market by buying and selling items...they just hold adena and buy only rare items like dragon claws...so no market for high value items(like +8 sets, +12 wep,etc) ...no market coz there is nobody to buy those things.
But you probably know those things...thats why you came with this cloak promo who was not necesary at all...spenders stoped spend and you put something worth buying...problem solved for 2-3 months. After that you will invent another megaultra item for them?
I kindly remember you that years ago you promise to restore drop rates when bots will be gon...bots are 90% gone yet you dont have any plan to throw us a bone! Just nefert, nefert and more nefert....
I'm asking the development team to clarify why we are the only ones to have received this fix so far, and the linked page was created in 2015 so it's likely out of date but just to be safe i'm also asking them to confirm the current price and values in EP5 to better answer some of these questions.
~Thanks
Neutron please be aware that Korea has already moved to EP5.5 EE with the zodiac fishing changes that obsoleted all currently existing bait and the current reward exchange is a legacy exchange in Korea. There's normal bait with additional grades of 102 and 105 with different items rewarded as fishing catches (at different rates), so you will have to confirm the legacy price during EP 5.0 Salvation.
We understand that many of you vehemently disagree with this change, but if you can't keep your comments civil we're going to remove your posting privileges.
Please share your feedback in a more thoughtful, constructive manner. Circumventing the profanity filter, insulting NCSOFT staff.
Im sorry, but i think the explanation that you gave, in a part insult us...
...We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner...
you didn't realize about this issue in more than 1 year, negligence?...
...collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative...
You consider we don't know what is really "to profit extremely" on this game?.
Ok, you want to fix the problem.. but why you dont give notice early?, what kind of professional you are?.
And this "such a profitable method of earning Adena" is just an insult.
So a player who is using this "such a profitable method of earning Adena"must use it for like 2 years and more just for a single weapon for example like it was already mentioned.
And if you want to get armor set, weapon and something else for gearing your toon you will need like what, 5-10 years(!) with this "such a profitable method of earning Adena".
Now imagine if you need to do the same with not "such a profitable method of earning Adena".
Guess then how long it will take it. 20? 30? 50 years?
Oh...boy....I just came online to forum...and wow...what a mess!
Dear Neutron,
Any chance you can revert the exchange rate back? So many players are feeling furious now. I logged into the game to do my quick dailies earlier today, and angry shouts everywhere and now this...in the forum.
I don't think this is good for you.
September preview was getting late and I was feeling kinda ticked-off by the sudden cloak promo out of nowhere, too. You know why? Right before the Cloak Promo, I had over 4k+ Hero coins and I used them all to get 2 x Longing + 4 x Mystic soul crystals. Had I known what was coming, I could've easily been the first guy with +20 cloaks. So yeah...I was feeling kinda sour...and I am sorry if the joke really got to you.
Anyways...this is just bad...no hope for adena for new comers and returners.
Will you at least consider boosting the Drops then? So the Active players, not afkers, can actually have some hopes and goals to work towards?
You can remove the modify scrolls from the drop table from all RBs(k95,k99, Baylor, Af, shilen, tauti, istina...etc.) and replace them with decent drops.
Come~on~What do you say?
Come on~Neutron~let's be friends, shall we? The game needs PvE goals.
I have a friend Ingame who plays L2 cuz he is a handy-capped teenager. He doesn't have friends in real life, poor kid in the house most of the time with his mom taking care of him...Not a rich family so he plays L2 without much Nstore. He does buy stuff when he gets some money from his working mom...like $20 bucks or $30 bucks sometimes...but most of the time, he just plays to achieve his goals within the game. Would it be possible for us to help this poor kid? Come on Neutron~ I know you are a good man. I believe in you.
DreeamSeeker next time when you feel this unstopable ich to write smthing on forum i bet you will get a lot of .i. .i. .i. hahahahaha
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
This above reads like some weird and sick joke and also has nothing to do with this current "FIX".
40mil Adena for 24 hours fishing isnt "exceptionally rewarding" lolz wtf! When you need 150bil adena for a +10 PVP Set, you need to fish 10 years to be able to buy one good armor set. "Expectionally rewarding" my @***.
Average L2 Player: "Yes L2 is hard, but at least with fishing I can make a little bit Adena."
NCWest: "Ummmmmm. Nope."
Im sorry, but i think the explanation that you gave, in a part insult us...
you didn't realize about this issue in more than 1 year, negligence?...
You consider we don't know what is really "to profit extremely" on this game?.
Ok, you want to fix the problem.. but why you dont give notice early?, what kind of professional you are?.
The answer: because you don't respect us.
This is the most important fact about this ninja fix.
You guys (GMs team) just waited 1year and half to "fix" this in the worst way possible, during this 1year and half you ran 2times the Heine fishing event and you increased the price of fancy rods x2 compared to others territories.
This is not responsible at all, and even if iam not a fisher i fully understand the reaction of concerned players.
Previsouly fishing with fancy rod was lucrative if you were able to fish 24/7 with one or more fishers.
Now it cost money to fish, like a lot and make this activity totally useless and those expensive fancy rod even more.
This rate 12/3 is too big imo and maybe you should reconsider to lower it by half 6/3 or put it back at 4/3.
This fishing activity generated a lot of adenas on all servers, and if you want to purge servers just add higer grade items in grocery, i mean why there is still no R or R95 grades stuffs in npc shops? or implent others auctionneers with lower stuff and more often insteed of those agathions unusable in oly wich ppl are ready to pay 100bilions for?
We all know that the "free to play" business model consists to give the advantage to donators to obtain importants items before the non-donators, but you are pushing it too far by selling those stuff at incredible price and adding to that always a gambling part, like enchanting, compounding, upgrading etc. with low rates. And making those items "L2 store exclusive".
Lineage][ is an awesome game, but the way you choosen to manage it disgusting more ppl everyday. We understand that you are interested by our money but you must understand that we are concerned by our money too.
On each "promo" payTowin you are loosing customers because it's too expensive and the gambling part is worse and worse.
There is many solutions to try to keep this game attractive, it's up to you to defend your interest to ncsoft by defending our interests, if you cannot do that sooner or later you'll have to explain to Ncsoft why you didn't react earlier.
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
CONGRATULLATIONS!!
You have just reduced my adena income to 0!
I'll remain ingame until sunday (i always buy enough bait for whole week on sundays), then quit until the exchange rate is fixed and fishing profit is returned.
If it is not returned, then I'll not log to the game anymore.
Either NCSoft is blind or they make people quit on purpose (maybe they want to shut down project L2). Really i cannot understand why someone should play a game that the only way to gear up etc is only through real money. NCSoft take care of your customers and they will take care of you.
(Personally i know more than 30 people that selling all of their stuff in order to move on L2 EU and no, L2 EU is not the heaven but for sure is a lot better than here)
I believe that this is gonna be the last chance your players is going to give you.
NC West think that we farming tons of bilions.
Lets come bat to the real world ... with a normal rod we farm 40 mil per 3 days and with fancy 40 mil per day max ! :eek::eek: WOW a lot of adenas can be farmed with fishing lets remove it and suport and promote RMT and P2W so we can destroy the game once and for all !!!! GREAT JOB from NC Team keep it up :cool::cool::cool:
Wanted to thank NCWest for massive lag reduction and gameplay stabilization.
None of the lag spikes yesterday! I can actually walk in Aden w/o freezes.
And, what is the most important, I've started seeing parties for spezion, spikula and fortuna are growing in numbers.
Keep up the good work of forcing people out of harbours.
Wanted to thank NCWest for massive lag reduction and gameplay stabilization.
None of the lag spikes yesterday! I can actually walk in Aden w/o freezes.
And, what is the most important, I've started seeing parties for spezion, spikula and fortuna are growing in numbers.
Keep up the good work of forcing people out of harbours.
afaik none of dh cried about fish here,
so, using common sense, fishing system has nothing todo with activity; especially in clans like DH/MAX/Nova/FS, or any clan alike.
But, since i'm eligible to speak only about myself: none of this changes (even the cloakish one) will affect my time spent in the open in any direction.
And none of dh (again, afaik) is going to cancel subscription (often imaginary) as this anglers 've done.
You have just reduced my adena income to 0!
I'll remain ingame until sunday (i always buy enough bait for whole week on sundays), then quit until the exchange rate is fixed and fishing profit is returned.
If it is not returned, then I'll not log to the game anymore.
ps: Speeding things up. Logging off now.
If the exchange rate doesn't get back I'm not logging back.
afaik none of dh cried about fish here,
so, using common sense, fishing system has nothing todo with activity; especially in clans like DH/MAX/Nova/FS, or any clan alike.
But, since i'm eligible to speak only about myself: none of this changes (even the cloakish one) will affect my time spent in the open in any direction.
And none of dh (again, afaik) is going to cancel subscription (often imaginary) as this anglers 've done.
Peace, traveler :D
i didn't expect any justification from you, it was purely a joke ;)
afaik none of dh cried about fish here,
so, using common sense, fishing system has nothing todo with activity; especially in clans like DH/MAX/Nova/FS, or any clan alike.
But, since i'm eligible to speak only about myself: none of this changes (even the cloakish one) will affect my time spent in the open in any direction.
And none of dh (again, afaik) is going to cancel subscription (often imaginary) as this anglers 've done.
Peace, traveler :D
Ofc none of DH will cry about this cause all of them are RMT players and prefer P2W then play for fun !! Stop dreaming
i didn't expect any justification from you, it was purely a joke ;)
okay chief, have a nice day and a great life;
Ofc none of DH will cry about this cause all of them are RMT players and prefer P2W then play for fun !! Stop dreaming
The way I see this entire elcyum menace is that only fancy fishing rod owners are unsatisfied with this changes;
You all call yourself either poor non-donating people or anglers who (oh, wonder) paid their subscriptions just to fish (just to fish! lol), and threatened NC to unsubscribe if their patch won't be reverted.
I am not RMT nor donator, for 2 years I play I've got like 40b worth of items + wasted on getting 'em (like I failed 28 times to get desire->longing); And while getting important things (like +8 set, wyrm ring) I could not dream of buying vanity items like fancy rod you're saying. I barely made my Santiago fishing rod stage 3, got some lolrevenue out'ta fishing, but it has been never considered by me as a main source of inocme! And, as many have been said before, still i can't get how many of ppl. here picture a poor guy OWNING fancy fishing rod :D Come on :D it is like you see a hobo on the road who wears ROLEX :D
ps: If you know 1-2-5 guys of a particular clan who did (in your/someone's other humble opinion) RMT businesses, it doesn't mean, that entire clan are engaged in this sort of activity.
Yesterday i was fishing with 3-4 other players on top of me and each other.
Today i checked my char and there was only one other guy fishing
behind me in Heine!
I never thought it would be so easy to kill fishing overnight! :eek:
As an average, casual player who has spent some money here, I've found that most of my enjoyment and reason for spending on ncoin is to find a way to make money through using what I've bought. Advancing or creating money making systems, however small, creates a sense of satisfaction for me.
After spending most of my ncoin money buying two fancy rods and building my three toons to fishing faction 4/5, I found myself religiously staying logged in and turning in the faction quest when I woke up, after work when I got home, and then in the evening after dinner every single day. I even bought myself a laptop to start a couple more accounts. Working full time and doing part time uni, L2 suits my lifestyle - play when I can with the people I've made friends with, make a small amount of money/xp from fishing when I can't.
You've just taken away what I have spent so long building and enjoying. I have no reason to log in anymore, and I feel defeated by you constantly moving the goal posts after I have put so much time and effort into this game. I could say nothing as I usually do when I disagree with something, but this is a next-level face slap.
Please reconsider this decision so I can still play this game that I have loved for so long. I'll be watching the forums for a few weeks to hopefully see this change reversed. If it isn't I guess I'll just not log in anymore. The few friends I have made in my unusual time zone have also said the same.
The way I see this entire elcyum menace is that only fancy fishing rod owners are unsatisfied with this changes;
You all call yourself either poor non-donating people or anglers who (oh, wonder) paid their subscriptions just to fish (just to fish! lol), and threatened NC to unsubscribe if their patch won't be reverted.
I am not RMT nor donator, for 2 years I play I've got like 40b worth of items + wasted on getting 'em (like I failed 28 times to get desire->longing); And while getting important things (like +8 set, wyrm ring) I could not dream of buying vanity items like fancy rod you're saying. I barely made my Santiago fishing rod stage 3, got some lolrevenue out'ta fishing, but it has been never considered by me as a main source of inocme! And, as many have been said before, still i can't get how many of ppl. here picture a poor guy OWNING fancy fishing rod :D Come on :D it is like you see a hobo on the road who wears ROLEX :D
ps: If you know 1-2-5 guys of a particular clan who did (in your/someone's other humble opinion) RMT businesses, it doesn't mean, that entire clan are engaged in this sort of activity.
Tell me something plz . If someone cant play in cp cause of work familly real file etc ... but he like to play how he can farm something when he start from the beggining !
first of all my PC would like to thank as it will finally get some rest days!!
Seriously though what where you thinking by allowing the Korean development to make this change at this time??
By allowing it in the first place to go on for more than a year, inflation blew up prices for almost everything that matters in game to new highs.
But even though it was expensive, people had a way of having a steady albeit small stream of income without relying on L2store.
Killing it, as well as the drops from almost everything in game, you in effect singlehandedly financially executed around 50% of your player base.
For the rest 50% the servers' economy will balance again in the long term but with a bigger gap between those who have and those who do not.
Those who have abundant adena right now will continue to have, (maybe even more due to new trading opportunities from so many players rage
quitting and selling stuff) and those who don't will struggle to make it until they too finally quit.
Highly sought items will keep their artificially bloated street price (things such as 7 sings talismans, insanity, coc belts, dragon weapons, +10 or
more armor parts etc..) from the inflation period we went through the last 2 years.
After all those who sell these items already have 1-2 more of them at least and are in no hurry to sell.
Everyday items will plummet in price (every armor +8 and lower, +7+8 and below weapons, etc) either because those who have it and really need
the Adena and can't sell it since the potential buyers don't have the income to pay for it or because YOU have flooded the market with those items from
L2Store promotions.
As a side effect some functions of the game will see increased attendance (Olympiad for example to farm skill enchant books comes to mind, castle
sieges probably since the possibility of dark castle may incur a potential income stream, etc. )
For sure the servers will run more smoothly and Aden & Giran will not take ages to load due to the elimination of all those fishers as is already noticeable.
All in all it was a BAD Business decision on your part because you will force a lot of players to either quit due to frustration or realize how much $$
they have to invest in the L2Store to start having some fun in-game (if they haven't already). And when the "have not"'s quit the "have"'s will follow because of the empty servers.
If you wanted it this way you SHOULDN'T have introduced such an Adena creation method to begin with, but it seems that someone was not doing his
job at the Korean development team and now tries to patch things up (its not like you have any control over these decisions anyways).
We're down to 2 servers (if you're being honest with yourselves) and the future is not looking good, although you never know according to the rumors
L2 is dying for the past decade but somehow its still up and running.
PS.
Personally I don't really care to be honest what you will do with the matter.
I've been playing this game for more than 10 years and have done the most of the things that bring excitement in game
(And yes going to 5 minute dragon raid is not exciting any more, nor is lucrative).
I have most of the gear that i need to play and don't really need anything else to buy in game (not that would make a big difference anyway except the
cloak stuff you introduced lately that I decided to not participate since I find more utility in other stuff than gambling in L2).
I had 3 toons with fishing with fancy rods since they were introduced and have covered long ago my initial adena investment in them. For me it was good while it lasted.
I will not quit or threaten to cancel my monthly prestige pack because the cost versus the utility i get from the 30-day eva rune do not compare.
Most probably i will not participate in your L2store events because i don't need to since a long time ago.
Many thanks to those who will as they will keep the servers up longer and thus my free enjoyment as well.
PS2.
@Neutron
Since you will have a dialog with the Korean development team about the changes and the Salvation update is coming maybe try to push them to introduce
the automatic adena pickup earlier and boost the amount dropped as well to the original rate (it was cut some time ago to 1/3 if I remember correct)?
Just as a way to diffuse the current discontent of the player base and make people move out of town again? Just saying.....
Tell me something plz . If someone cant play in cp cause of work familly real file etc ... but he like to play how he can farm something when he start from the beggining !
this is not fishing simulator or something,
if you work 24/7 that means that you earn *load of money, and you can donate to get x100 times better items x100 times faster just after pressing a button
if one has a beautiful family - he'll never trade time spent with his family to the time spent here, in l2
when one has a problem irl, he'd focus on them rather than on l2
So many tears... :D
40kk per 3 day? Come on, I play healer and have it in much less time.
If you have or know a way to make more than 40kk a day other than l2 store. Please submit a ticket to the team. So that we can correct it as soon as possible.
Well it seems like the end of the game for some people, a lot of good points have been made.
Yet there is another recent feature that needs to be removed as it allows obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required. Get rid of the repeating macro ability. Look at the Hellbound Dessert area for example- every spot taken with most afk macro'ing 24/7. While the adena per drop is not great, allowing it to go on round the clock for little effort meets the criteria. Please remove the repeating macro feature to improve the game. The base is already stirred up, this little change should not cause many more to quit.
What a ******* ******** :D they increse price of rod to 16k blue coins and people spending thousands of dollars for the fancy rod and now they "fix" de echange of powerful fish <> elcyum?
You can make any advice before all the adena/real money spend on this useless rod?
And ofc Nctrash dont say nothing before, you think any player will bought this rod if they know the echange of elcyum is shiit? serious this is an EPIC SCAM.
Serious NCTrash if u dont want "free to play" users just kick us from game.
First kill Kartia drops now kill the 20kk x day via fishing you are an epic bastard, ncwest worst l2 servers ever, f u ck you all m o t h e r f u c k e r s. :mad:
@Neutron
I thought you said a few months ago that the idea was to improve the ways for players to get adena instead of having L2Store the only way for that. Is that already out of NCWest plans?
If you going to do those changes, why not removing the fishing system entirely? The only use there was for it was the elcyum powders (no other rewards, both from fishing itself or from the faction system) so you might as well remove and free the game from another completely useless feature. (There are so many in game caused by changes like this... imagine how this game could be if those useless systems were actually alive)
It is clear that NCWest is Korea's piggy bank, it's been for a while, but if you continue to push it like this, by removing content to force players to use L2Store to get simple things like the game's own currency, this piggy bank will cease to exist.
I hope you guys see the main issue on this kind of changes and start working on a solution for it.
if you work 24/7 that means that you earn *load of money, and you can pay to get x100 times better items x100 times faster just after pressing a button
if one has a beautiful family - he'll never trade time spent with his family to the time spent here, in l2
when one has a problem irl, he'd focus on them rather than on l2
Stop trying to avoid the reallity ! You know well for that i m talking about ! If you dont then i think you have some mental problems (sr for that but your answer have no sense) :):)
That's where you make a bad assumption; they really do not care about this community. Do you really think they think about us at all once they close the door? Forget it.
They have shown their lack of care or interest in this community with almost non-existent forum communication/ participation. Monthly reviews are posted at the end of the first week of the month rather than the week before, I guess the whole concept of a preview is beyond them.
Conquero posts once a week to copy/ paste the same statement with a few minor adjustments, how much time does that take?
Either they're very busy with a secret project that will blow us all away, or they just start the day playing MXM in office and every now and then one of them remembers "oh crap, weren't we supposed to post that or that for the players?", "Just copy/paste the info from last week/month/whatever, next match is about to start hurry!"
Sadly I've played independant mobile games with larger communities ran by a single person that put more interest in their community.
I am moving on to WoW, while I always found it inferior to L2 at least it has a healthy gameplay environment without heavy P2W influence. Here's hoping I can learn to enjoy it.
L2 keeps a special place in my heart, if things ever pick up for the better I will return, but I fear I finally have to admit it is dead.
Hello all,
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
I made all my Adena from using a friend's 1 Billion Adena loan to play the Auction House. I believe that the Auction House system should be removed. It allows players to unfairly accumulate wealth by perverting the system of supply and demand.
I, reluctantly, say that even I have used this clear exploit (ban me if you must) by buying out every Shadow Ingot listed under 30m and relisting them all, immediately, for 35-40mil.
I should be ashamed, but I do have high hopes that the dev team and GMs can work together to stem the flow of Adena into the hands of the player base.
Game is made to have Top items in PVE and PVP stuff, in order to be good u need to spend more than a hundred Bilions,
There is nothing in this game made to farm to reach the top at any points
How do you want any new players to have a good Lineage II gameplay if everything is screwed up like this
most people would pay NCOINS if they felt respected and not abused from the company,
in my opinion, this is annother ridiculous decision and Greedy on top of that.
Screwing people to not let them get a few Adenas, it's not even like it gives 20B a day comeon ...
Sad to see alot of skilled player quitting just because they can't afford to play the game.
Even the endgame players who paid alot are getting bored due to the lack of competition... Think about it.
I agree with everything Ando,
I am to remove from l2 and from any game that exists, who knows I may play a game again ... CONSOLE ...
What kept me here during these years was the friendship I made with my cp, precisely with my CP and CLAN leader. But one hour I have to erase this game of my life and that day is even closer with these ridiculous events that leave a player who is not more American (Dollar $) less, in my case I am Brazilian (Real $, minimum wage R $ 937.00, cost of Dollar: R $ 3.10). I've been pretty crazy during those 6 years (Servers Shillen, Magmeld and Chronos) have donated much, much more compared to other BR's. Now I will marry and there will be no more $ for this game that every month a slap in the face and pocket of your player, or rather, taxpayer, or rather, donator or better zumbynator ...
Truly Paid, cause you need to pay even to breath... unique game in the world we can't farm resources to get stronger, it is ridiculous to pay real money for everything...
* We can't farm adena by killing mobs (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by killing big bosses (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by doing instances (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by fishing (nerfed) (New!)
* extremely profitable? stop making me laugh please, look this sheet to see how we pay to fish: https://imgur.com/a/WOz3d
This game is great, but the administration is bad. If this game was administrated by Blizzard, it would be the most played game in the world. Blizzard makes money without being disloyal to the players, why must ncsoft be disloyal to the players?
Unfortunetely, I'm adicted to your game... i don't mind to spend money in the game to get something faster, but i don't feel confortable if the unique way is to pay... I can't sell my car/house for such an irresponsible purpose...
Every year servers are being merged due to the lack of players: people are rejecting you, can't u see that? While you are getting empty, games like Black Desert are full of people...
Like I said, NCsoft/NCWest are very exceptional business people and they understand the psychology of the people that "play" this game. They know people aren't going anywhere.
I disagree. Everyone has a breaking point, make no mistake about it. You don't have to break the will and addiction of ALL remaining customers, who still pay into this gambling machine and support the addiction of those who cannot, for the remaining dominoes to fall.
If they are psychology experts, then why am I spending less? Why did I spend less on this event than I intended? Why do I absolutely not plan to spend much in the future based on this decision. Why did I end my sub on my main char? Why am I looking for a new game to play and why is that NOT going to be an NCSoft title? Why am I not excited to go home after work and check in on my accounts and see progression and do dailies on my main char? Etc, Etc.
I highly doubt I am the exception here. If I am then you have nothing to worry about. Pay...err...play on! :eek:
I cannot begin to say how absurd this change was, as many other NCWest decisions.
I don't need to repeat how terrible the game has become in several aspects. This has been stressed over and over.
Hey NC, not even NCoins can make players get enough adena in your game, don't you see how crazy prices are? Plus, L2's fame wouldn't even exist if not for the countless people who can't afford NCoins because it is just too expensive.
You are making a game for the rich. How long more do you think the game will last with so many unsatisfied players? Play your own game as someone who can't buy NCoins or who can't buy enough NCoins. You will achieve nothing.
We NEED game mechanics to give us adena, and this change was one of the most outrageous decisions you ever made.
Ya know.. If everyone stopped buying 1000's of dollars of NCoin.. it may.. just may show NC we are sick of it. From what i see, its the only thing the player base can do to make any difference.. BUT.. that of coarse wont happen.. Most people cant even make a party ingame lol
What about the people that farm the clan halls that you fight the belts on their alt clans every 2 weeks that is 20bil+ profit shouldn't there be a stop put to that?
As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/maintenance/server-maintenance-09052017.php) yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.
In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
Yours,
The Lineage II Team
I was hoping that after reading all these messages the message had come.
I really was hoping ....
I am not willing to make me tease again!
I stop playing lineage 2 and other ncsoft games.
lineage 2 was definitely killed yesterday.
goodbye
What about the people that farm the clan halls that you fight the belts on their alt clans every 2 weeks that is 20bil+ profit shouldn't there be a stop put to that?
Ohhh if you go there, we may as well point the OP clans that make fortune with the game mechanics because no one else can beat them! They farm dark stones and one shoots everyone who tries to farm too, and they also have 6 out of 9 castles in game!
And all that why? Because of the pay2win game NC made :))) meanwhile, mere mortals don't even have fishing anymore.
That's where you make a bad assumption; they really do not care about this community. Do you really think they think about us at all once they close the door? Forget it.
They have shown their lack of care or interest in this community with almost non-existent forum communication/ participation. Monthly reviews are posted at the end of the first week of the month rather than the week before, I guess the whole concept of a preview is beyond them.
Conquero posts once a week to copy/ paste the same statement with a few minor adjustments, how much time does that take?
Either they're very busy with a secret project that will blow us all away, or they just start the day playing MXM in office and every now and then one of them remembers "oh crap, weren't we supposed to post that or that for the players?", "Just copy/paste the info from last week/month/whatever, next match is about to start hurry!"
Sadly I've played independant mobile games with larger communities ran by a single person that put more interest in their community.
I am moving on to WoW, while I always found it inferior to L2 at least it has a healthy gameplay environment without heavy P2W influence. Here's hoping I can learn to enjoy it.
L2 keeps a special place in my heart, if things ever pick up for the better I will return, but I fear I finally have to admit it is dead.
Yea I'm more just talking trash to talk trash. I know they do not care.
Exchange Rate in Korean Servers is 4/4, so NC West, stop trolling us, there is no "bug", u just try to change game economy with unprofessional ways.
here is the proof --> https://imgur.com/a/Pu0EX
Korea has different model of L2 than ours. For example, the game is pay2play after lv85, you must pay for every toon that is fishing. The moment you start gaining XP of go out of town, you have time points tick form and you are paying for those.
Here on Freya I know somebody who was fishing with freaking 18 boxes with fancy rods, 24/7. The net profit per month from that is ~20b. They should limit fishing to Prestige pack subscribers and restore the 4/3 rate. Problem solved. This is how it is in Innovas servers, to fish, you need Premium Account.
Korea has different model of L2 than ours. For example, the game is pay2play after lv85, you must pay for every toon that is fishing. The moment you start gaining XP of go out of town, you have time points tick form and you are paying for those.
Here on Freya I know somebody who was fishing with freaking 18 boxes with fancy rods, 24/7. The net profit per month from that is ~20b. They should limit fishing to Prestige pack subscribers and restore the 4/3 rate. Problem solved. This is how it is in Innovas servers, to fish, you need Premium Account.
I know a guy who knows a guy bla bla bla...
I know a guy who used to make 100 bils+ per month with farming field bosses should we remove them from game too? cos none had a right plan to compete him?
Premium accounts on other territories does not affect fishing only, they give u xp boosts from 50-200%, free daily items, free entrance to instances, extra items-rewards for fishing too, and plenty of other bonuses for 5-10 dollars per month, if nc west wants to make it premium that's an other story and we should talk about different factors, so you re off topic, ,my point here is to show that in Korea its 4/4 exchange, so this is not a bug, this is just an other attempt from nc west to control in-game economy with ninja moves and unprofessional attitude and for the record, innova team re not an example of a proper working l2 game, since both of their servers,have less ppl than my whole ally in chronos.
GM
you can also exchange the quest reward for 10 Olympics fights, for a fragment of giant energy, or make 100 fight to win a full item.
this would look pretty cool, it would match the rest of the server configuration
PLEASE
return to server paid, before the game is over,
or a better solution sale transfer server to European.
I was thinking about going back to this American server because the European servers are dead because of the mercenary administrators that have there that put items at prices impossible to pay, but apparently reading this topic that gave nerf in the last way to get adena in the game, to force even more the player to spend in the store is a message from God telling me that lineage 2 is really already dead and that is not to play here because I will not have enough money to pay for a fun, and no money in the lineage 2 currently means getting to work and having to work on the game, and this is not relaxing unfortunately.
There will never be a miracle that will make l2 alive again. It is p2w to the extreme like no other MMORPG game has ever been, which makes it a bummer to play, and only those who have invested cars and houses in this game will remain.
It's sad but it seems that I only have to look for some private in which I spend less and have a little fun without taking hit kill for not giving my house as payment to be someone in the game.
I've come to the conclusion that the guys who use bots in the game are not that bad, you game administrators force them to do that, I've never used them and I've always been against it, but I'm starting to look at the way the players use to be heard, as the complaints of the forum to improve the game are almost never heard, and it looks like the feedbacks have long been negative.
I am starting to believe it has to be a personal request by NCwest to change the value's since it was not adjusted in any other region where L2 can be found.
EU no change. RU no change. JP no change and even KR powerwiki still say 3 Elcyum Powder for 4 Powerfull Fish.
Exchange Rate in Korean Servers is 4/4, so NC West, stop trolling us, there is no "bug", u just try to change game economy with unprofessional ways.
here is the proof --> https://imgur.com/a/Pu0EX
This is exactly what I told them in the Forums and Support Ticket from the start. I logged into EU and RU to check the NPC myself. A friend logged into JP and same deal. KR got 4:4 since PTS Patch Notes later on. I even double checked all the Korean Patch/Maintenance/Emergency/Update Notes from January and up. It was never like 3:12 in any other region before us. I already expect it to be a personal request to prevent all the useless Boxes from Fishing in our model. It's really a bad move.
This is exactly what I told them in the Forums and Support Ticket from the start. I logged into EU and RU to check the NPC myself. A friend logged into JP and same deal. KR got 4:4 since PTS Patch Notes later on. I even double checked all the Korean Patch/Maintenance/Emergency/Update Notes from January and up. It was never like 3:12 in any other region before us. I already expect it to be a personal request to prevent all the useless Boxes from Fishing in our model. It's really a bad move.
I'm hope that PA at Innova like PT in NC, will be important thing to not determined it like a bug :)
Aram checked it on Korean Live servers a few hours ago so yeah..
ps, NCWest doesn't really care as they're barely even checking what's going on here and the Zaken section of the forum still hasn't been moved to archive yet is a clear example of that simple fact (takes like 1minute to do lol)
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
Hi @Neutron
I don't mind if you tone it down a little bit,
but right now, fishing is simply losing money, no one is going to do it.
here are the number, just on average.
Before the update
one toon fishing for 24 hours fishing will make 45million profit.
After the update
one toon fishing for 24 hours will lose 32 million
That being said, Fishing is entirely useless now, not only gives very little EXP, also sucking out all the money you have ever so slowly.
I don't see the point of having "Fishing function" anymore.
If you change the exchange value to somewhat 6:3 or 8:3 to tone down the adena we can make from fishing, I'd say that's more reasonable, but instead, the dev team just make it a losing adena business.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
This system can be abused as any other. Any changes made to it will render the fishing system useless. You wont get any XP from it, the fishing faction system doesn't do anything and besides the elcyum there's no other thing that you can trade for that will pay your investment.
Sorry, but the RMT excuse is not a valid one. What's next? Remove adena drops? The only way to remove RMT is by removing adena at all and use L2Store as the only source of items. That's what's been done the past few years little by little and honestly it has to stop. Do you really think the paying players really want to play in empty servers?
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
Punish the RMT whose use fishing for adena. But not thouse that dont do it. Active staff would track the accounts and the adena flowing.
This system can be abused as any other. Any changes made to it will render the fishing system useless. You wont get any XP from it, the fishing faction system doesn't do anything and besides the elcyum there's no other thing that you can trade for that will pay your investment.
Sorry, but the RMT excuse is not a valid one. What's next? Remove adena drops? The only way to remove RMT is by removing adena at all and use L2Store as the only source of items. That's what's been done the past few years little by little and honestly it has to stop. Do you really think the paying players really want to play in empty servers?
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
Hello,
Can you please explain the though process behind the manner this was done? The RMTers/abusers have already made their profit over the past 12 months of this. You are punishing the people behind that curve, who saw "oh, this is how people are making money, I guess I need to invest in a fancy rod now". How does this make sense? You are once again, as has been done many times in the past, letting the top get away with it, then hurting the other 99%...
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
umm u realize how dumb this makes u sound? Like u never played lineage 2 ever? U can put multi parties in multi locations and adena will continue to drop... i person can run 10 4 man parties farming adena all over the map. Stop making BS excuses be a man, and say "you guys are correct and i will continue to fight for you the people of the game to make your voices heard." if u arent capable, i will do it for free and they can send u all to the unemployment line.... They sign your check but we pay your salary.... You are here because of us and for us dont forget it...
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
24/7 gainak farm by 1 clan/1 clan/person killing all raid bosses in 5s on respawn/nerva orc merchants going to be changed too?
Seriously, there's more broken features that make the rich get richer(for RMT purposes) than helping the 99% rest of the players to progress.
Would be way better if gainak was deleted for good and all monsters could drop stones, all raid bosses be instances and orc merchants gone aswell.
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
If only you had a 3 client per PC limit... oh wait you do!
And the reason that adena from monsters doesn't get affected by multiple accounts is because the monsters don't drop any considerable adena at all! Right now is the same as if they didn't drop adena. i mentioned above for the ridiculous of the situation.
Besides, you really have a issue of abuse of fishers in town... all servers are full all the time!... Oh wait they are light most of the times!
There is one more way to control RMT, make it legal and tax it.
Bottom line, if systems that were made to give players some adena to there pockets can't be used, how normal players suppose to get adena on your servers?
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
What about only prestige accounts being able to utilize fishing skill? Bring the 4:4 ratio of fish and powder.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
@Neutron
Firstly NCwest needs to stop act like we are children. The people who play your version of Lineage 2 are much older then you think they are. I know some players who are even 70 years old and still play this game to have a some sort of distraction from real life problems!
Secondly it's the way how Conguero started to bring all of this to our attention in the original post and agressive reponses (It's a Bug thing!) after in the Topic itself. Then the responses you are giving in return turns out to be more and more a request/manually change in NCwest behalf and not from any other region, due to the fact 100s of RMT accounts are abusing our fishing system!
Third NCwest needs to do the homework much better, spy on your neighbours in other regions, compare, adjust, improve and not down-grade. You already gave the reasons why the NCwest system has to change: "some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it." You fight the problem the wrong way. Make a Rule or start a Topic in Forums to warn all those who exceed 4 or more Characters fishing simultaneously from the same IP and say like you always did before. It was not intended to be more rewarding in RMT ways. Temp Block/Warn all those who got 6+ Fishing Characters running from different or same location backtracked to same Main Player until you find a real solution ... atleast find some other solution then this forced change into our version of Lineage 2 .... clearly no other region has an economic change this bad as ours did recently. Elcyum affects multiple items ingame, since its a ingredient for other items aswell. You changed one thing, but never changed the rest as an whole.
I hope you will understand all what I have typed since English is not my native tongue.
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
Dear Neutron,
let me tell you, there's a factor capping the flow of adena coming from fishing. Let's break this down. Fishing is free in NCWest, yes, but in 2 very different forms:
1. In-game/free
Regular and Master Rod from faction. No game-breaking at all, since the PowerfulFish/hour rate from this kind of fishing is very low (and thus to the adena/hour rate), there are plenty methods which would give you better results
2. Paid service / Fancy Rod
Fancy Rod has the potential to create a decent revenue, but there is a catch, this item is not available in-game, it is a L2Store EXCLUSIVE item. Every Fancy Rod in-game has been paid in NCoins by some member in the community. The number of Fancy Rods in the game caps the amount of adena that can be produced by the players via fishing
And who had TOTAL control of how many Fancy Rods are introduced in each server, and by extension, how many adena/hour could be made via fishing in each server? The same guys that made a Fishing Store promotion not too many weeks ago. I'll let you answer who are they
Every Fancy Rod has been paid in USD, there's no other source, there's no other vendor. No more Fancy Rods can be made until the next Fishing Store Event/Promo
If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.
I would fire you on the spot. Even if this is true, the communication is so inflammatory you are only doing yourself and your company a disservice.
I don't even know what to say to that it's like he's saying go to hell all of you and if you're making any Adena you are a bad man in game. What has this game come to where we are punished by GM's etc for making Adena???
I would fire you on the spot. Even if this is true, the communication is so inflammatory you are only doing yourself and your company a disservice.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
I can not believe you gave us this answer.
It seems like every GM thinks its base players are idiots.
I'm asking myself, you took all the drops from the server, I wonder who feeds adenas sales sites that offers adenas on any server. I think this deserves an investigation by "you"
Elcium is used to increase the chances of successful unbinding, getting a blessed item, improving Helios weapon, Eternal armor and Seed Talismans and other items.
To someone that has no clue what this means, here are a few examples:
Again, good luck making these upgrades with the new "bug fix" and previous drop nerfs.
Example 3.
Improving Amarantine/Dragon Weapon / Eternal Armor (You know... the thing every L2 player probably wants to do in game in order to progress)
Weapon - 40 Elcyum
Eternal Armor - 10 Elcyum
Dragon weapons - NOT EVEN GOING THERE>
I wish, I really wish I was there when you made that business choice.
I bet the fly on the wall heard the following:
"Hey Conguero, Should we ban that 1 guy with 10 accounts fishing? You know, the guy we sold 10 L2Store exclusive fishing poles at $300 US dollars each... the player now making 200 billion adena a day fishing.... we ought to ban him... I mean that's our job right?"
"Naaaaa, let's shut down the entire L2 elycum/fishing system Neuty! We are pro NInja GM... and wait for it...
ask everyone that comes across a method of obtaining currency from a L2store item, that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, to not hesitate... and submit a bug report in-game."
Bravo GMs, bravo!
Punish the mass population because you sold an item for real money that a few players exploited and generated adena in game with.
From this moment, how can I trust anything you sell?
Is it really that hard for a GM to locate a RMT, identify what they are exploiting, and ban their accounts?
buy your game time cards from local gamestops get a free BEWR u can shop to NPC in light town for 70mil, oh wait is this an exploit? Let me guess this is okay because we bought ncoin for the bewr? you guys are seriously lucky we are all in love with this game and put up with this crap. i honestly could careless about this fishing crap, its the change and the answers we are getting that make me furious.... Speak to us like a grown adult talking to another adult of equal or more superior intelligence. Then maybe you can begin to EARN our trust back....
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
So basically everyone who doesn't pay thousands of dollars is a trash and needs to be forced out of the game by removing every single way of earning adena by ingame means.
OK message got.
If your goal is Zakenification of all NCWEST servers you are doing great job!
Don't forget that after all non/low paying players all leaves, bored visa varriors will follow.
While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
Ok lets calculate
100 RMT account
If All character have fancy rod "that around 500b adena", the profit its 5b per day, i can say its a nice profit in 1 day, but need at least 16 pc for do so, the voltage its like huge if they do that.
Now for the reality
IF RMT have 100 account with one 99 lvl toon in each account
Lets say 1 full pt kill balok octavis tauti just this 3 rb, will get 2 rune stone 1 BEWR 2 BEAR 1 CP average, if we count naia price that 75+80+50+50=250m adena and if we calc 100 account that 14 full pt, 3.5b adena for day and this is only normal rb, if rmt have 500b adena then they pay better gear for kill gludio "88" elven village "93" orc village "97"
all territory i mentioned rbs spawn in fix time, 1 gludio rb drop like 50m so 300m each day, in elven village 1 rb drop like 200m so 1.2b and last orc village minimum 2b fully
Instead of making false info for public, learn the right mind set, they not fishing cause voltage to high for 16 pc think man.
Firstly NCwest needs to stop act like we are children. The people who play your version of Lineage 2 are much older then you think they are. I know some players who are even 70 years old and still play this game to have a some sort of distraction from real life problems!
Secondly it's the way how Conguero started to bring all of this to our attention in the original post and agressive reponses (It's a Bug thing!) after in the Topic itself. Then the responses you are giving in return turns out to be more and more a request/manually change in NCwest behalf and not from any other region, due to the fact 100s of RMT accounts are abusing our fishing system!
Third NCwest needs to do the homework much better, spy on your neighbours in other regions, compare, adjust, improve and not down-grade. You already gave the reasons why the NCwest system has to change: "some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it." You fight the problem the wrong way. Make a Rule or start a Topic in Forums to warn all those who exceed 4 or more Characters fishing simultaneously from the same IP and say like you always did before. It was not intended to be more rewarding in RMT ways. Temp Block/Warn all those who got 6+ Fishing Characters running from different or same location backtracked to same Main Player until you find a real solution ... atleast find some other solution then this forced change into our version of Lineage 2 .... clearly no other region has an economic change this bad as ours did recently. Elcyum affects multiple items ingame, since its a ingredient for other items aswell. You changed one thing, but never changed the rest as an whole.
I hope you will understand all what I have typed since English is not my native tongue.
Cheers,
Bennie
All the information that was described to me by the development team indicate this is a bug and they had no intention of it working this way for us. I am simply explaining how it got our attention as it was discovered from back tracking RMT sales and Adena.
Banning abusing accounts is not a feasible solution to this kind of issue as it committing personnel and time to a problem forever. It must be corrected at a game design level and then which we can gather feedback on improving the system in other ways.
There will be more adjustments to Elysium pricing and Fishing in EP5, but the details of which we are not clear of yet.
Ok lets calculate
100 RMT account
If All character have fancy rod "that around 500b adena", the profit its 5b per day, i can say its a nice profit in 1 day, but need at least 16 pc for do so, the voltage its like huge if they do that.
Now for the reality
IF RMT have 100 account with one 99 lvl toon in each account
Lets say 1 full pt kill balok octavis tauti just this 3 rb, will get 2 rune stone 1 BEWR 2 BEAR 1 CP average, if we count naia price that 75+80+50+50=250m adena and if we calc 100 account that 14 full pt, 3.5b adena for day and this is only normal rb, if rmt have 500b adena then they pay better gear for kill gludio "88" elven village "93" orc village "97"
all territory i mentioned rbs spawn in fix time, 1 gludio rb drop like 50m so 300m each day, in elven village 1 rb drop like 200m so 1.2b and last orc village minimum 2b fully
Instead of making false info for public, learn the right mind set, they not fishing cause voltage to high for 16 pc think man.
The actual amount of Adena being created was around 200 Billion a Day.
I think you and I mean NcSoft arrive in a point where every player for you look like a rmt...Guilty or not guilty must be convicted.
Are you realise you are killing our joy?Not necesary by action but with stupid statements...
You baned bots, fine..good job.
But here a surprise for you...former bots are now top lvl players controlling raids, sometime gainak, dragons,castles etc...Why? Coz you didnt actualy ban them.
Here another answer for you from Darktronus: the answer to "why people buy adena?" is because the game don´t drop adena.
Ask your devs to do something about that and let us know what they say.
The actual amount of Adena being created was around 200 Billion a Day.
Due to the client limitations, the only way that is happening is if someone is using an OOG type of bot, that should be easy to ban. (can be made by automated systems, no need for personel) And t get to those values, were not talking about 10 clients fishing...
RMT will always find ways to make insane amounts of adena, normal players won't. If you (or the Korean side) were really worried about RMT you would be finding ways to give normal players ways to get adena instead of forcing them to buy from RMT.
Honestly, answer this:
What a normal player can do to get adena these days?
Did you actually tried to play your game? Did any of the devs tried it?
Due to the client limitations, the only way that is happening is if someone is using an OOG type of bot, that should be easy to ban. (can be made by automated systems, no need for personel) And t get to those values, were not talking about 10 clients fishing...
RMT will always find ways to make insane amounts of adena, normal players won't. If you (or the Korean side) were really worried about RMT you would be finding ways to give normal players ways to get adena instead of forcing them to buy from RMT.
Honestly, answer this:
What a normal player can do to get adena these days?
Did you actually tried to play your game? Did any of the devs tried it?
Updating the security side of things is far more difficult and may not work forever. We have a lot of suggestions and ideas on the plate to present the Development Team soon as well.
There's basically a few action items we have currently as a result of this change.
#1 The Overseas Development Team is coming to NCW soon to visit, so we will present a summary of the community reaction and feedback on the economic changes and state of the game.
#2 We're going to ask the hard questions in our upcoming survey like "How do you feel about bots" "How difficult do you think it is to earn gear".
Answers to #2 will give us actual tangible data to show to the Developers so they have something to work from and build a response to.
This is the first time we've seen the Development Team really reach out for overseas feedback directly, so we're really optimistic they would like to make improvements for us.
Thats funny, I mean rly funny.....The Overseas Development Team is coming to NCW soon to visit.
Usually Soon mean for you guys next year! rolf.
Nice politicaly type answer to chill things here...I hope will not going to work.
Revert ninja changes and if they have right when they come do what you want to do. But first revert changes.
The Overseas Development Team is coming to NCW soon to visit its gonna be like the month's preview or something ?
RMT accounts might be everywhere not only in fishing activities. they might got trillions or even just millions and might getting better and better profit for example by selling a couple of boss jewels or maybe 7sign talisman..or they could just rebuy and resell in AH but still remains RMT user...
I reprove ur actions to punish everybody else that happen to fish for a little profit just to get ur work done with all RMTs
Do you have plans to investigate them too ? or is it just the fishermen
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
When will you people finally learn that outsourcing doesn't work? If Conguero had mentioned that in his first post (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=293670#1), you could have avoided a lot of the drama.
I am aware that community management and development are two different things, but when Nam Taek-rim visits you (after the rainy season?) you should absolutely press the point that we need a dedicated and committed Community Manager who knows what he is doing. The best solution would be to re-hire BusterCasey, also under the aspect that he knows Korean and can quickly check the Powerwiki, log into the Korean servers directly (like Aram does at Rochand), and efficiently communicate with the developers in times of crisis.
How come when you were selling Heine baits and Fancy Rods for real cash through your L2 Store this was not a problem, but when people started to use Fancy Rods to earn some adena in game then it became a problem? Cause someone already wrote this, people can earn adena mainly fishing with Fancy Rods, hardly doubt there are a lot or any at all trying to get adena with a Normal sturdy rods. These people fishing with Fancy Rods paid them with real cash, they were not obtainable in game. So first you are selling to your players something and then you are telling that same players, sorry but you will not be able to use that item that we sold you anymore. Really..?
Fishing was the only adena income for I guess like 90% of the player base, can you suggest us a way to earn adena from now on with this new "adjusted" fishing?
Fishing was the only adena income for I guess like 90% of the player base, can you suggest us a way to earn adena from now on with this new "adjusted" fishing?
Thank you
Selling the amazing weapon fragment that we obtain doing K99 :p
Fishing was the only adena income for I guess like 90% of the player base, can you suggest us a way to earn adena from now on with this new "adjusted" fishing?
You are not supposed to earn adena by in-game means. Unlike the Asian territories, where the game is pay-to-play for everybody from lvl 85 onwards, and Innova, where most players have a Premium Account aka subscription, Neutron must generate all revenue out of the L2Store.
NCWest's business model is based on keeping the large majority of the player base in poverty so that they are motivated to purchase Event Items or whatever for dollars from the L2Store and sell that to the select few who are well enough equipped and organzied to kill all Field Raids upon respawn and sell the Crafting Packs etc. in the Grocery, converting the drops into pure adena. If any player could make adena on their own, by a simple in-game system, he or she would not be motivated to resort to legalized real-money trading via the L2Store.
The actual amount of Adena being created was around 200 Billion a Day.
Dear Neutron generated is good or bad? In your opinion as there were spent like 100b adena in each day too. So you just take revenue and say its our profit or do i understand you wrong.
Changing the exchange rate so drastically u make ppl lose adena spent 100b adena and get like 50b a day u talk about all server and u talk about the event Rod.
Still in your words ppl gonna make 50b a day !!! **** !!!
But real view they go broke in now time.
I dont know what economic models you are using but i see clear u cant understand the base of economics.
Having so huge profits you could buy some time with real economics and they would make eco system for 500 real players who has alts making look like 2000 players online.
But main sad thing that you think that ppl spent they time in trying to make adena i dont say its fun play time and u want to charge it for like 1$ hour?
Think this way u need to teach 90% of server to understand they characters and how to play them after they learn how to play they might start to spent real money in game else they will suck other ppl spent dollars from your formula :)
Korea has different model of L2 than ours. For example, the game is pay2play after lv85, you must pay for every toon that is fishing. The moment you start gaining XP of go out of town, you have time points tick form and you are paying for those.
Here on Freya I know somebody who was fishing with freaking 18 boxes with fancy rods, 24/7. The net profit per month from that is ~20b. They should limit fishing to Prestige pack subscribers and restore the 4/3 rate. Problem solved. This is how it is in Innovas servers, to fish, you need Premium Account.
Mixa mixa i tho u were abit smarter person u do so much posts just make them?
Why u count other ppl money??? if u start counting everything make it right
18rods x 10bilion =180B yes?
u say he makes 20B a month so its 9 months just to cover expenses doesn't matter with RC or with adena.
Just after long 9 months u start generating profit !!!!! Please guys dont write so much rubbish in forums devs thinks u writing right stuff but u r not so please dotn mess game with your post and after cry river.
Only two ways to make adena now.
1) Google "L2 adena"
2) Spend at L2 store and hope you can sell your items for adena because the drops on field mobs are lol.
It s not only fishing. All those last event except 1 wad in order to make a big euro/dollar income for Nc.
They made free event in order to close our eyes and now the clocks.
Oh sorry cloacks are not event either fishing .
They made us buy rods promising a normal profit for our daily ss
.
Now refuse that income.
2 continuous enchanting events... reduse enchant rates
Last big update... we all change appearance in weapon armor every day not to be bored
It s a kind ridiculous all this situation.
As concerning bots issues,anyone gone at gill.fortress?; perm Wynn farming there. NO-ONE CARES ABOUT THAT CAUSE NO-ONE MAKES THAT Q CAUSE THERE ARE NO NEW PLAYERS.
Anyone knows about gainaks? Ofc but what to tell... perm buffing guys ready to kill mob BEFORE SPAWN. But ok some players are part of Nc.
Bots are bannable for most of us. Not for all and with Nc support
Really I don't think ppl come back even if they fix 1/1 elc/of
We speak for a small issue and we cannot see behind that there is falling tittles of an end
Trully disappointed from" TRULLY" FREE GAME
Even My donkey is laughting
#2 We're going to ask the hard questions in our upcoming survey like "How do you feel about bots" "How difficult do you think it is to earn gear".
Answers to #2 will give us actual tangible data to show to the Developers so they have something to work from and build a response to.
This is the first time we've seen the Development Team really reach out for overseas feedback directly, so we're really optimistic they would like to make improvements for us.
NC HQ (Korea) is absolutely blind (BY CHOICE) to how things are in other regions; they have things set up entirely differently for their single-timezone servers. So if they tell you things are "mostly okay", that has nothing to do with the economy in our servers.
You know that at this point the only solution is to diversify the adena income generation. Localizing it exclusively in FIXED-START-TIME activities (castle ownership, gainak, field raid bosses or non-instanced epic raid bosses) is directly encouraging RMT, since some people will just have better capabilities to compete for these. I mean, look at Naia for example. It spans UTC-2 to UTC+3 (UTC -1 to +4 during summer time), which is 6 timezones for the main playerbase. Chronos is a different matter altogether, as it officially has two peak times, so effectively can span 10 timezones for the main part of the player base.
The extraordinarily rewarding fixed start time activities must be deconstructed (IT IS a bug, ty Conguero) and their rewards must be redistributed over a wide variety of open field kill areas, quests and minigames (Underground Coliseum anyone? NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN THERE EVER), because then you are immediately limited by the amount of places you can be at once, and neither of these places are exceptionally rewarding compared to the others.
As NCW is running internationally diverse servers, there is absolutely no reason to take any **** about things that work in Korea.
Kill spoil drop
Kill adena drop
Kill kartia drops
Kill fishing system
Put a new super item in L2store every 1-2 month making imbalance bigger and bigger...
Give me 2 thousand of useless modify scrolls
Let the rmt farmers kill the game
Let the rmt farm 24/7 Gainak/dragons/raid bosses from whole map (88-101Lv)
Let 1 clan take all the castles geting all the adena.
Let the bots play without perma ban during years( now they do not need more bot program cuz they dont have nothing to fight against.
Nerf all cuz of bots and f/u/c/k the whole legit server instead to find a solution without f/u/c/k/i/n/g everyone?
Game is only for rmters/bots and extreme pay to win player?
How the f/u/c/k/ is supposed I can make some adenas? serious show me just one way to make some adenas...:confused:
What's next bro? do you want f/u/c/k my a/s/s? worst L2/MMROPG SERVER/GAME EVER...
... My other question now is why NC West just do not go pay to play with Premium or monthly subs? Bring back old drop rates, make 4/4 ratio fishing etc.
This is a question that would have to be answered by NCWest Chief Financial Officer Eric Garay (maybe Neutron can ask him?). I myself can only guess that NCsoft is trying to offer several models from which players can pick which one suits them best, of course also taking into consideration cultural peculiarities.
Don't forget, clichés are based on statistical evidence. Many Russians truly like to do things together in a clan (so-to-speak a socialist commune), so a Premium Account model that encourages one real player to log in, at best accompanied by one buffer, is suitable for the Commonwealth of Independent States.
In the USA, however, a more self-centered attitude is relatively wide-spread, people not wanting to share drops with party members etc. So the option to log in a one-man army at zero cost (except the price for a second computer) better suits that part of the world. Not to mention that the pay-to-win principle enables players with not so much manual dexterity (as far as physical build is concerned, Michael Moore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore) is the rule and not the exception in the USA) can compensate for that deficit by spending dollars (of which they have, statistically speaking, more than for example the average Albanian) and getting good equipment.
If people are unhappy with last Wednesday's changes to the Fishing System, I would recommend them to consider moving over to Innova's European servers. I have not played there myself, but from what I hear, it is possible to equip a comparable character at significantly lower real-money cost than at NCWest, even after having paid for a Premium Account and their store promotions.
If, for political reasons or whatever, you don't want your money to go to Russia, where the Innova headquarter is located, Innova itself recommends NCTaiwan: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2049#p36714
NCTaiwan has significantly more staff than for example NCWest, which results in a very good customer service, and since, because of the good service, their servers are fairly populated, they don't need to milk their player base as excessively as for example NCKorea (ask Draecke what they spend on events over there). Many players from the Chinese Mainland prefer the monthly subscription in Taiwan to the Totally Free/Pay-to-Win business model of Tengxun, the company which has the license for the People's Republic of China :)
About castle tax system/field bosses/gainak village/dragon relation to this issue:
All this things are exclusive to you, only few are laying their hands on the drops, that's why these drops are not creating inflation (every single unit of epic jewelry/soul bottle is sold by a standard price, not like you monkeys, selling today for 5kk, tomorrow for 3.999.999); and there are no entire server farming dragon or gainak, or field RBs. If all the money goes to a limited amount of people, inflation levels are not visible (in this particular case).
I am guessing that if/when NC West is once picked up the L2 Store milking model they will not want to change it anytime soon or at all till the end.
Then the only thing that I am still wondering is why they just don't come here with a dignity and tell to all the players, hey:
- you are not supposed to make adena by playing the game, you are supposed to use our L2 Store if you want to enjoy playing the game, either PvE or PvP.
They are doing this for many years, but no one from them got the balls to say the real truth behind the L2 Store.
We are just constantly told, we are trying this, we are doing that, we will try to find a way for this and that and in the end nothing ever changes into players favor, never. With every single step game become more and more L2 Store oriented and every single possible way for a normal player to obtain ANY adena or item in game by only playing it is being "adjusted" and "fixed" as a BUG!
Even Conguero said that straight without any shame or respect, I think his quote will be forever remembered as probably one of the biggest insults for players in this game from NC Staff member:
"If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game."
#2 We're going to ask the hard questions in our upcoming survey like "How do you feel about bots" "How difficult do you think it is to earn gear".
Answers to #2 will give us actual tangible data to show to the Developers so they have something to work from and build a response to.
This is the first time we've seen the Development Team really reach out for overseas feedback directly, so we're really optimistic they would like to make improvements for us.
That question, by itself, will give you absolutely no insight into the actual problem.
To see the real problem, make a character and try playing for a while. You will realize that what someone can gain by spending 1000's in L2 Store in a day, you will not be able to match in 10 years by actually playing the game.
You have one of the worst pay to win models ever. And most people will not touch this game because of it, who otherwise would.
The solution would be to:
A) either completely change your L2 Store to not sell anything that affects gameplay in any way. ( best solution )
B) make it possible for people to gain the same gear and levels at a reasonable rate comparative to what can be achieved by using L2 Store. ( Hence increase drop rates etc. )
Well, if all these fishing changes re to reduce RMT users i will support any move that doesnt not affect casual players but..
Players run with dragons weapons through RMT (none controlled them)
Players run with lvl 6 jewels through RMT (none controlled them)
6-12 months players- parties-cps run with top equips through RMT and they pwn any 10+ years old players, (none controlled them)
Crazy items change hands through RMT (none controlled them)
Also u don't really help against RMT actions when u unban clan leaders who owns trilions of items in their clan warehouse through botting or other illegal actions.
Sorry for being suspicious this time against nc west, but as an old player i have seen a lot, and this fishing move wont solve the above problems.
I understand that this job is not easy for 1 man only, but that's company problem too, for not hiring more ppl to do the job.
Adena drops from NPC are capped by the spawn rate of monsters. Which means creating more accounts for farming doesn't result in more Adena because the game simply will not spawn anymore monsters to kill. However with fishing that is not the case, making more account results in a scaling problem where each account increases the overall profitability with no limit except for maxing the server out in connected users.
Dear Neutron,
what you are saying here about the scaling problem is indeed true which lead to rampant inflation due to abundance of Adena thus items cost so much nowadays.
Nevertheless this was not an error from the Korean development team but intended, else they wouldn't have raised the Adena holding limit per character from
100bil to 1000bil some updates ago.
They just couldn't foresee that western players would find a way to exploit the system to the extreme, as they always do, so they now try to awkwardly patch
things up at the last minute.
In order to combat the situation they should have introduced new Adena sinks, high level items that players need for example that can be acquired in game
(new cloaks for example?).
This model of course, would be in an opposite direction to the current NCWest modus operandi, meaning that expenditure at the L2Store wouldn't be needed so
heavily in order to progress in game.
Given their superiority complex towards western civilisation in general (check here (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1522&hilit=superior&start=70#p34114)) they just changed the rate of fish to elcyum exchange, which was the
solution that needed the least amount of effort to be implemented and let the sheep playing at NCWest servers adjust and digest it.
Mobile games are the future cash cows after all and not dinosaur PC games like L2 with dwindling revenues (check Yidao's post here (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=1930#p36829)for income figures per NC game).
It is evident from many changes that Adena creation in western servers is demonized bacause of our capitalistic attitude towards everything.
What you, as L2 producer should request though, if you want to increase retention of your customers and maybe possibly attract some new ones, is slash L2Store
prices to 1/3 of what it is now and add more items in it, thus eliminating the need for Adena.
Western players are going to spend $$ either way because of their "I want it all and I want it yesterday" attitude.
Players will be happy, Adena will not be needed and your servers will be full.
You'll just have to roll up updates sooner in order to fight quitting by boredom for some.
I have utter contempt for the Korean development team and their handling of L2 in the West, but unfortunately they made a highly addictive game for PC gaming
dinosaurs like myself.
rewand is 280,5-7,5-240= 32,5b ??? LOL and today im 177,5b in mínus...
All need elcyum for talisman, weapon, armor upgrade (10k item is northing) and chance is now minimal.. for 150years i have bloody set from fishing...
LOL Korea TEAM IS PT DEMENT !!!!
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and this 32 500 000 adena is for 1mount fishing ... on this i need 50KW energy for 1KW = 0,2euro/hrs this is 10euro for 32 500 000 adena :D:D lol, better no fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I strongly suggest you go fish some. But first invest 100b in baits and after a while at this exchange ratio when you are done please come here to share with us your 'profit' from fishing.
A little tip from me, most likely you will get around 55-60b max from your invested 100. But do not be afraid, go for the fishing 'profit', it is really tempting I think.
The actual amount of Adena being created was around 200 Billion a Day.
need more info
Tell me how many Heine Exclusion Bait Coupon was purchased fully , to we know how many fancy rod we have.
But according your info you have to change this adena number because of To Revive the Fishing Guild quest + Fortume instance, with fancy rod can complete this quest 12 time a day or a bit more on no lifer, but minimum 5 time at least with fancy rod, with normal rod this number its 6 per day max cause 1 quest its 4 hour long and minimum 2 time a day.
If you really want to make something good, remove vitality or lower the vit consumption on mob or more like make a option for pause vit consumption, the reason why everyone fishing its because want to keep vit, if some1 have full vit, he/she lose it to fast, 1 kartia pt enough for lose all.
vit kill the hunt, not the fishing system.
I strongly suggest you go fish some. But first invest 100b in baits and after a while at this exchange ratio when you are done please come here to share with us your 'profit' from fishing.
A little tip from me, most likely you will get around 55-60b max from your invested 100. But do not be afraid, go for the fishing 'profit', it is really tempting I think.
GL
I did fish to get to lv4 faction without any fancy rods. Within 100 catches I been getting like 3-5 powerful fish, at least this had been before the maintenance. Nobody said that it is profitable (nor had been) since I used Santiago's fishing rod, and gave up on that pretty soon, because, even with that 3:4 old exchange rate + Santiago I could not "cover" my electricity bill. For many of you parents are paying bills, but not for me.
+ Many fa.. maggots are telling stories of being poor non-donating tiny creatures who GOT FANCY FISHING ROD! This is incredible, as if some janitor drove a car like Stirling Moss while his official salary is below one Benjamin. Breaks my heart. And this individuals claming to be "regular non-donating" lowbies, while complaining about the nerf of donator item. Who cares? Yep. German have beautiful word, which even got into English eventually. This word is - "Schadenfreude". You may call me a bad man (methaphorically speaking), but ask yourself: if all the dragon weapon owners come down in here and write complaints about nerfed dragon weapons.. I bet all this ppl. would be happy in joy. Same goes for me, and some others, for what I see - less lags, more party rooms and adjusted prices, which makes you (unless you prefer do nothing to get adena) valuable and celebrated.
Updating the security side of things is far more difficult and may not work forever. We have a lot of suggestions and ideas on the plate to present the Development Team soon as well.
There's basically a few action items we have currently as a result of this change.
#1 The Overseas Development Team is coming to NCW soon to visit, so we will present a summary of the community reaction and feedback on the economic changes and state of the game.
#2 We're going to ask the hard questions in our upcoming survey like "How do you feel about bots" "How difficult do you think it is to earn gear".
Answers to #2 will give us actual tangible data to show to the Developers so they have something to work from and build a response to.
This is the first time we've seen the Development Team really reach out for overseas feedback directly, so we're really optimistic they would like to make improvements for us.
Too little, too late. And this is all backwards. Don't severely hamper our means of acquiring assets in-game and then talk about a solution that could be months/years in the making. You should've waited to present us a better option and then fixed YOUR issue. Instead, you rip the carpet out from under us and leave a big gaping hole of severely devalued assets and no means to recoup our losses.
I've finished fishing my last remaining baits and the toon is logged off. By the time you come up with a fix to OUR problems, I'm guessing most interest in playing will be gone from this game. See you later, NC.
And I think that you are missing some important part of some people having Fancy rods. A lot of people saved months waiting for the next fishing event to invest their adena into Fancy rod. Others sold almost everything, some even their current gear to get that rod.
Do not think that every single player with a Fancy rod have tons of billions of adena. In fact I am almost sure that there are just a few with some very big fat amount of adena made from fishing. Most of these 'rich' fishermen made a little profit, some of them even not still got their adena back which they paid for the Fancy rod etc.
This inflation cost by fishing is just one big imaginary bubble for me. Some players/clans made in times more adena farming for years same raids, Gainak, castles, dim sieges etc. and I saw not a single post from any of NC Staff that was worried about that. Weird...
Spo: sources of income mentioned are exclusive (for 1-2-5 guys) and can't affect adena rotation severely. If you didn't notice, monopolists are selling their dark stones/cocbelts/jewelry for the same price, to avoid loss of income.
Loses of the working class is common here: with every update my recently bought items are losing their cost, usually by 10-15%. They've just bet on a wrong card. Happens. Take a 0% loan from NCBank ;)
ps: just reported "The fisherman's other hobby" quest as being extremely rewarding, since one should not fish that fish to turn in. If the quest is fixed, prices for stews will skyrocket starting at 1kk++, so maybe brethren angler 'll not feel himself oppressed :D
This is a question that would have to be answered by NCWest Chief Financial Officer Eric Garay (maybe Neutron can ask him?). I myself can only guess that NCsoft is trying to offer several models from which players can pick which one suits them best, of course also taking into consideration cultural peculiarities.
Don't forget, clichés are based on statistical evidence. Many Russians truly like to do things together in a clan (so-to-speak a socialist commune), so a Premium Account model that encourages one real player to log in, at best accompanied by one buffer, is suitable for the Commonwealth of Independent States.
In the USA, however, a more self-centered attitude is relatively wide-spread, people not wanting to share drops with party members etc. So the option to log in a one-man army at zero cost (except the price for a second computer) better suits that part of the world. Not to mention that the pay-to-win principle enables players with not so much manual dexterity (as far as physical build is concerned, Michael Moore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore) is the rule and not the exception in the USA) can compensate for that deficit by spending dollars (of which they have, statistically speaking, more than for example the average Albanian) and getting good equipment.
If people are unhappy with last Wednesday's changes to the Fishing System, I would recommend them to consider moving over to Innova's European servers. I have not played there myself, but from what I hear, it is possible to equip a comparable character at significantly lower real-money cost than at NCWest, even after having paid for a Premium Account and their store promotions.
If, for political reasons or whatever, you don't want your money to go to Russia, where the Innova headquarter is located, Innova itself recommends NCTaiwan: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2049#p36714
NCTaiwan has significantly more staff than for example NCWest, which results in a very good customer service, and since, because of the good service, their servers are fairly populated, they don't need to milk their player base as excessively as for example NCKorea (ask Draecke what they spend on events over there). Many players from the Chinese Mainland prefer the monthly subscription in Taiwan to the Totally Free/Pay-to-Win business model of Tengxun, the company which has the license for the People's Republic of China :)
hi,
the core problem in here is that, we are introduced to more items and no new content its not new content modifying the element resist/attack of monsters, new content is new mobs new instances or i'll go far more a new continent.
so i would like to ask ncsoft/ncwest if u guys do us a charity keeping servers up and ur profit balance is 0/0% where 0 spent 0 profit. just shut down the servers while ppl spend money if u gain money u have to make investments to the game maybe a new engeene.
therefore keep the principal of l2 by balancing things stop intro new items since the release of infinite oddyssey game lost about 60% of its population
because evryone understood that the thing is going to an infinite literaly and theres no comeback to that.
also major problem is to balance player that recharges 0 ncoin and player that charges literally infinite ncoin in this buisnes model furthermore to the ppl that complain try to figure a solution about that than come to speak.
since if u make adena and spend them on l2 store exclusive items u will be part of rmt which is "moraly" not what u want. so everybody has to pay and sooner or later they will do.
I have not received an update from the devs yet, but if we're going to compare other territories the entire system needs to be accounted for, not just the exchange rate alone. The value of the exchange in NCW needed modified due to the all of the factors mentioned below allowing for an uncapped Adena source. While an individual character doing it was not so much an issue, some users has 10s of accounts doing it or in the case of us back tracking the source of the Adena in the first place, 100s of RMT accounts abusing it.
This entire system includes
- The price of Bait and Shots
- The cost of using fishing (it's not free in all territories)
- The acquisition rate of Powerful Fish
- The vendor selling price of Elcyum items
~I hope this sheds some more light into the reason this had to be changed.
Thankful Mr. Neutron for taking the plunge in this situation
You forget to name the cost in real money of the fishing rod
In my case I have 5 reeds of these that I do not use if they can see my account, in fact I think I have more than three months that I do not use them and none of my characters have faction level 6, I still have some with faction level 3
I have several characters of which only 4 are main, and they are the ones that I try to dress.
I think I have payd enough to have these 4 main ones, in turn I believe there is no rule to forbid it.
In addition to these I have some that I believe for clan points since the other means of getting these points more easily were eliminated. In addition to that I have many articles like the "fortune pocket", obtained from events in which I pay and that I have to use somehow.
I like to upload characters, more than for any reason, to know how to act in combat with another character, that is, the best way to know how to defend yourself from a healer, is to have one and play it
Now, being the administrators, they put the rules, they are also responsible for creating the necessary means to comply, being you who offered the fishing rods, should have foreseen what you believe is an illicit enrichment, alone You are responsible, not us players .
In my case, pay to have the fishing rod, because I thought it good, under the conditions that put it, now the conditions change, it would be fair to return the real money ($) you pay for these fishing rods
If the conditions that they offer now existed for the moment of the event, no one would have bought their fishing rod, in my case they lower the experience acquired, plus their fishing rod and all the purchased items, for the real money that pays , I said before for me, consents or unconsciously, this is a scam, a misleading offer, they should return the money paid.
Thankful for your attention, I hope they solve this in the best way, and remember that we pay to play in one way or another.
After 2 days and 12 pages of complains, I do not see any willingness from Ncsoft willing to reverse the "fix". Neutron is giving all the political answers that lead to no where. The one who told you the true about Ncsoft does want to eliminate any way you can make adena but l2store has been quiet since. See you all when l2 can play again.
the core problem in here is that, we are introduced to more items and no new content its not new content modifying the element resist/attack of monsters, new content is new mobs new instances or i'll go far more a new continent.
so i would like to ask ncsoft/ncwest if u guys do us a charity keeping servers up and ur profit balance is 0/0% where 0 spent 0 profit. just shut down the servers while ppl spend money if u gain money u have to make investments to the game maybe a new engeene.
therefore keep the principal of l2 by balancing things stop intro new items since the release of infinite oddyssey game lost about 60% of its population
because evryone understood that the thing is going to an infinite literaly and theres no comeback to that.
also major problem is to balance player that recharges 0 ncoin and player that charges literally infinite ncoin in this buisnes model furthermore to the ppl that complain try to figure a solution about that than come to speak.
since if u make adena and spend them on l2 store exclusive items u will be part of rmt which is "moraly" not what u want. so everybody has to pay and sooner or later they will do.
cheers
Just to avoid any misunderstandings, I have nothing to do with NCsoft. In fact I am probably the most hated person in both Seoul and Aliso Viejo :D
As to your concerns, new content is added in the form of upgraded hunting grounds (Elven Village -> lvl 104) and a new multi-server mega raid (so far undefeated in Korea). You will find the details of the next update here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewforum.php?f=55
What is really problematic are the stat-enhancing items that are continually introduced, no matter whether via the L2Store or available in-game. Every attempt at class balance becomes futile when one player has a Dark PvP weapon and the other not. But since this is what keeps NCsoft's revenue flowing (Dark Amaranthine Stones from gamble boxes), you won't be able to talk the developers into deleting all characters of lvl 99 or above, thus eliminating most of the excess wealth and balance-destroying items on our servers.
But there is an easy trick to fox the system. Simply don't level up. Just play as long as you have Vitality and use the rest of the week to do the daily Mithril Mines run for 1.1 million adena net profit (Conguero, are you reading this?). That will easily cover your shot cost. It's what I do :)
If at the right time to turn off the fishing after the fish is caught, it is possible to turn the fish again without waiting, this speeds up the fishing 2 times. Automating the process with the help of third-party programs, we pass the quest about 72 times in 24 hours, we get 140-200kk for a bot account. 100% problem in the exchange price).
If at the right time to turn off the fishing after the fish is caught, it is possible to turn the fish again without waiting, this speeds up the fishing 2 times. Automating the process with the help of third-party programs, we pass the quest about 72 times in 24 hours, we get 140-200kk for a bot account. 100% problem in the exchange price).
I am not really sure about why this post is even written in here.
With using 3rd party programs you just avoid every game logic and rule, so basically this means that not exchanging price would be a problem, but the game itself.
Troll
And if you or someone else was using 3rd party programs to cheat and generate tons of adena it only means that the people who are responsible of this must be tracked down and receive a perma ban. Not the situation we are facing right now when fishing is completely broken and useless.
Automating the process with the help of third-party programs, we pass the quest about 72 times in 24 hours, we get 140-200kk for a bot account.
Hey Neutron / conguero... THIS GUY ... chase him, instead of using your sledgehammer to crack nuts.
Funny thing is I never saw you so eager to kill off "adena-hunters" methods to make "exceptionally easy" adena...... in 12 years, why now? someone complaining to you that their RMT stream is lowered?
Why you always go after the server base, rather than invest the real life assets needed to chase cheats?
your continued updating of this thread has been a public relations disaster.
waiting for a poll (to be conducted then enacted upon) is futile
waiting to show the dev team your customers are angry/annoyed/frustrated or skylarking (hi dude) .. is futile.
you should reverse the change, for now, investigate properly and ban hammer some accounts, you can't tell me you cant track such amounts.
or choose an interim change that demotes the "lucrative" element to a passable element until you can tackle the real problem.
the thing is, you cut off "income streams" for normal player base, but the market won't adjust immediately, meaning mainly only RMTers or the already incredibly rich can get gear upgrades at the moment.
Nobody should suffer punishment for the intention to become "wealthy" enough to purchase gear, when the real problem isn't being tackled despite your claims.
In short, your "market intervention" now stinks of supporting illegal elements within the game that have never respected the eula.
Hey Neutron / conguero... THIS GUY ... chase him, instead of using your sledgehammer to crack nuts.
Funny thing is I never saw you so eager to kill off "adena-hunters" methods to make "exceptionally easy" adena...... in 12 years, why now? someone complaining to you that their RMT stream is lowered?
Why you always go after the server base, rather than invest the real life assets needed to chase cheats?
your continued updating of this thread has been a public relations disaster.
waiting for a poll (to be conducted then enacted upon) is futile
waiting to show the dev team your customers are angry/annoyed/frustrated or skylarking (hi dude) .. is futile.
you should reverse the change, for now, investigate properly and ban hammer some accounts, you can't tell me you cant track such amounts.
or choose an interim change that demotes the "lucrative" element to a passable element until you can tackle the real problem.
the thing is, you cut off "income streams" for normal player base, but the market won't adjust immediately, meaning mainly only RMTers or the already incredibly rich can get gear upgrades at the moment.
Nobody should suffer punishment for the intention to become "wealthy" enough to purchase gear, when the real problem isn't being tackled despite your claims.
In short, your "market intervention" now stinks of supporting illegal elements within the game that have never respected the eula.
hey there,
its depends on whom u call normal player
for instance is it normal player one with 3 x fancy rod cuz in that case its game over, a player with 12bil adena can farm pve easy
If you are talking about enchanted shadow fists I somehow hardly doubt they cost 12b. Same thing about +12 ama ones, not even talking about bloody.
And that is just the weapon. I am guessing that this GK wont be goin naked w/o an armor set to farm anywhere. Lets add and some jewels, dyes, belt, etc. you name it.
But thats just me. And we are not on the topic in here...
for instance is it normal player one with 3 x fancy rod cuz in that case its game over, a player with 12bil adena can farm pve easy
cheers
So far as I understand, there was no ban on the amount of fishing rods that could be bought, nor is there a ban on the amount of money you want to spend on this game
Is that why you stop being a normal player?
Why is it prohibited the amount of ADENA you can generate with what you buy?
So far as I understand, there was no ban on the amount of fishing rods that could be bought, nor is there a ban on the amount of money you want to spend on this game
Is that why you stop being a normal player?
Why is it prohibited the amount of ADENA you can generate with what you buy?
how about : a normal player sleeps, eats, drinks and works
so he plays 2-3 hrs a day
now in the case, if u have 10 toon 24/7 generating adena you are a company not a player you are trying to make profit sorry to ruin you RMT dreams.
therefore being a company you trying to competete with ncwest (mother-company) therefore will be regulation, a hand of god in this scenario nerf powerful fish
how about : a normal player sleeps, eats, drinks and works
so he plays 2-3 hrs a day
now in the case, if u have 10 toon 24/7 generating adena you are a company not a player you are trying to make profit sorry to ruin you RMT dreams.
therefore being a company you trying to competete with ncwest (mother-company) therefore will be regulation, a hand of god in this scenario nerf powerful fish
smooth reply idk which part you dont get
enjoy
You are wrong all the chain in the game does not reach for your character only the dark set + 10 120b, weapon dark +56b, abundance talismán 50b, etc, etc, etc, etc
you need a lot of billions to have a good personage in this game and collecting 10k of adena you will never make it
In addition the time that you dedicate to the game depends that each one, by this it does not stop being a normal player and the fishing was automated by the administrators not by the players
You are wrong all the chain in the game does not reach for your character only the dark set + 10 120b, weapon dark +56b, abundance talismán 50b, etc, etc, etc, etc
you need a lot of billions to have a good personage in this game and collecting 10k of adena you will never make it
In addition the time that you dedicate to the game depends that each one, by this it does not stop being a normal player and the fishing was automated by the administrators not by the players
ok when in this game existed a "chain" to make dark set or any other item? and its my last
Guess you're not really playing anymore?
or maybe you're Conguero trying to thread derail.
either way, you avoided the thrust of the entire thread in order to make some side comment... gratz on becoming irrelevant
how about : a normal player sleeps, eats, drinks and works
so he plays 2-3 hrs a day
now in the case, if u have 10 toon 24/7 generating adena you are a company not a player you are trying to make profit sorry to ruin you RMT dreams.
therefore being a company you trying to competete with ncwest (mother-company) therefore will be regulation, a hand of god in this scenario nerf powerful fish
smooth reply idk which part you dont get
enjoy
All a normal player needs to do is stock up on bait/shot and click the button.
So long as their connection is active, they will fish 24/7 until logged off, or maintenance/server issues boot them offline.
You don't ever need to turn in the quests to make money. You just need to be 99+ to get the powerful fish.
Sure, maybe there were some people using illicit tools to maximize profit from the system beyond the scope of what normal players could do, either by number of accounts, ability to cancel/refish, or sheer amount of times they could also turn in the quest per day for extra rewards.
But those are issues with NC allowing that.
Another way to look at it.
Stealing something from a store is illegal.
You are supposed to punish those who steal, not shut the whole store down.
Time and again nc decides to punish all players in the game instead of punishing people. The people they say are the issue just move on and find the next thing to abuse, or crank up the numbers of accounts abusing existing systems.
In the end, it's always the normal players holding the bag.
Updating the security side of things is far more difficult and may not work forever. We have a lot of suggestions and ideas on the plate to present the Development Team soon as well.
There's basically a few action items we have currently as a result of this change.
#1 The Overseas Development Team is coming to NCW soon to visit, so we will present a summary of the community reaction and feedback on the economic changes and state of the game.
#2 We're going to ask the hard questions in our upcoming survey like "How do you feel about bots" "How difficult do you think it is to earn gear".
Answers to #2 will give us actual tangible data to show to the Developers so they have something to work from and build a response to.
This is the first time we've seen the Development Team really reach out for overseas feedback directly, so we're really optimistic they would like to make improvements for us.
How about a temporary rollback until the Dev's reply?
How about linking fishing with premium only accounts?
Do you realize how many players you may lose (permanently?) due to this change?
Do you realize how many players you may lose (permanently?) due to this change?
I'm sure someone ran the numbers (maybe poorly, maybe not), and determined it's an acceptable loss.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea, but seeing as how almost every move is... lets say, strongly focused on the "NCoin revenue" side as opposed to... lets say player satisfaction or good game design... I'd put money on someone having looked at some expected numbers.
I'm sure someone ran the numbers (maybe poorly, maybe not), and determined it's an acceptable loss.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea, but seeing as how almost every move is... lets say, strongly focused on the "NCoin revenue" side as opposed to... lets say player satisfaction or good game design... I'd put money on someone having looked at some expected numbers.
right now the decline is ~200 per server which I bet is acceptable for them.. ofc many ppl some how most likely still secretly hope NC will roll back the change but lolz
true impact won't be noticed till 2~3 weeks after when
1. ppl accept nothing will change and either accept or cash out
2. as per above it will take ~2 weeks for those ppl that are cashing out right now to unload
3. 1 Month after huge drop in active players should be expected
but guess what around that time next update should be released so NC is gambling hardcore that by then many players may return or stick around just to see if that will change anything - against better thinking but hey players are only human whereas NC is a Corporate.
i saw someone writes that he gets 3-5 powerfull fish every 100 catches.
Maybe its only me but in 2 of me 100 lvl characters that i was fishing i was getting 1 max 2 powerfull fish every 100 catches always not once over 2 powerfull.:( maybe i am the only one :(
Dear newtron plz contact me in this acount email if you want a model of game that will be very good and for NC soft and for all players free and non free.already another game doing it.for more details plz contact me!
how about : a normal player sleeps, eats, drinks and works
so he plays 2-3 hrs a day
now in the case, if u have 10 toon 24/7 generating adena you are a company not a player you are trying to make profit sorry to ruin you RMT dreams.
therefore being a company you trying to competete with ncwest (mother-company) therefore will be regulation, a hand of god in this scenario nerf powerful fish
right now the decline is ~200 per server which I bet is acceptable for them.. ofc many ppl some how most likely still secretly hope NC will roll back the change but lolz
true impact won't be noticed till 2~3 weeks after when
1. ppl accept nothing will change and either accept or cash out
2. as per above it will take ~2 weeks for those ppl that are cashing out right now to unload
3. 1 Month after huge drop in active players should be expected
but guess what around that time next update should be released so NC is gambling hardcore that by then many players may return or stick around just to see if that will change anything - against better thinking but hey players are only human whereas NC is a Corporate.
I dunno about everyone else, but isn't the greater harm to NCSoft the thought process instilled in player base "Gee, I dunno about dropping X,000+ ncoin on this item when it might get ninja patched later and then I get yelled at for even thinking about using it"... I know that's how I feel.
In my opinion the main problem about this was, doing it without prior announcement.
That's a bad move from NC Soft, people didn't got time to exchange all their fishes, some of them just bought a extra expensive Fancy Rod recently without even a notice about what will happen.
Conguero
I have a personal question for you,
Have you tried playing on your own server?
I challenge you to play alone, do everything you can do without a party.
I doubt that in a week you can do 50kk of adena
now think spent soushot, have to reset ..
If you have a goal to buy a weapon, let's go to a 10bi fictitious value, how long will it take to accumulate it ???
in a year you tell me if I could buy that gun!:confused::confused:
what I'm trying to say is that it's not fun to play because xp is horrible drop is terrible.
Conguero
I have a personal question for you,
Have you tried playing on your own server?
I challenge you to play alone, do everything you can do without a party.
I doubt that in a week you can do 50kk of adena
now think spent soushot, have to reset ..
If you have a goal to buy a weapon, let's go to a 10bi fictitious value, how long will it take to accumulate it ???
in a year you tell me if I could buy that gun!:confused::confused:
what I'm trying to say is that it's not fun to play because xp is horrible drop is terrible.
detail last week spend 5bi to buy this **** rod, now I am with a business that is not good for anything.
if you heard a pre ad would not have bought, but the player side does not matter.
Do you have any idea how long it took to buy this item?
look in your logs to get your doubt.
detail last week spend 5bi to buy this **** rod, now I am with a business that is not good for anything.
if you heard a pre ad would not have bought, but the player side does not matter.
Do you have any idea how long it took to buy this item?
look in your logs to get your doubt.
yea i agree with you 10 days ago i sold all my gear (+6 armor and a octavis ring plus a heavy set for my iss ) and with all the money i've earned from 13th anniversary i bought two fancy rods.
10 days ago i thought was a good investment of money and i was really glad. today i think i got just 2 naked toons with a stick on em.
it seems to me like a financial crash ... and someone knew what's it's gonna be behind close door but not even an announcement or a warning