As a person that sells hundreds of items per week, i have been noticing a significantly collapse of the economy of the game. There are no adena floating in the casual players and those players are not buying the stuff they need thus collapsing market of some servers. (At least in Freya there are incredible few items transactions and it seems to be getting worst)
It is clear that this is being caused by a number of policies implemented by NCSoft on our servers only, such as the adena drop nerf, (that no other server got at the rate we had) the fishing elcyum fiasco and the lack of free rewarding events that can give some buying power to the casual/non-paying players. I repeat, we are the only servers that are getting nerfed like this!
A few months back you said that you would work on revert this kind of policies, but since that things got even worst, either by the lack of action or by the fishing fiasco, things are now way worst then when you said those words.
The new update will bring even worst content, that may throw more people out of this game so my question is, do you have anything planned to revert the complete collapse of the game's economy on our servers, or are you completely dependent on the Korean lack of interest of maintaining an healthy server/community on the NCWest servers?
I don't know about other people, but in my case i already decided not to spend ncoins on any event/promotion that ncsoft throws at us until i know there's any hope for the current games crisis.
Hope i get some feedback and thanks for any future replies.
Game is doing fine. Bubble is poping. Supply & demand at works. Read what CS wrote few days ago on “AH item not selling” explains the direction of the game economics pretty good.
Game is doing fine. Bubble is poping. Supply & demand at works. Read what CS wrote few days ago on “AH item not selling” explains the direction of the game economics pretty good.
When you starting to sell most you stuff to npc because no ones buys it is a clear signal that something is wrong.
You are in the clan that is farming everything from raids level 88 to 105. How are you going to complain about collapsing economy you are doing fine. New players and inexperienced ill equipped players cannot even touch bloody swamp or raids 88-94 because of the rmt'ers from your clan farming 24/7. They cant try pvp content like siege either so no point in them progressing. Server will not be getting fresh new players to buy our items. Instances are dropping nothing but modify scrolls. Enjoy the server you have now until merge then history will repeat itself.
You are in the clan that is farming everything from raids level 88 to 105. How are you going to complain about collapsing economy you are doing fine. New players and inexperienced ill equipped players cannot even touch bloody swamp or raids 88-94 because of the rmt'ers from your clan farming 24/7. They cant try pvp content like siege either so no point in them progressing. Server will not be getting fresh new players to buy our items. Instances are dropping nothing but modify scrolls. Enjoy the server you have now until merge then history will repeat itself.
Let me be clear in one thing, this issue (and it is an issue) doesn't affect me much, i have saved adena, and i do still sell stuff (a lot less but still do) and im decently well geared.
I'm starting this thread cause this is a big issue for casual players that have no way to generate adena. Why am i bringing it up? Because if something is not done soon we will face another player exodus from our servers thus affecting the game in a big way. (And eventually NCSoft piggy bank, but they are far to interested on the short profit to see it)
BTW, this topic is to discuss an issue in game, not to launch unfounded rmt accusations. If you have prove of that go submit a ticket.
Let me be clear in one thing, this issue (and it is an issue) doesn't affect me much, i have saved adena, and i do still sell stuff (a lot less but still do) and im decently well geared.
I'm starting this thread cause this is a big issue for casual players that have no way to generate adena. Why am i bringing it up? Because if something is not done soon we will face another player exodus from our servers thus affecting the game in a big way. (And eventually NCSoft piggy bank, but they are far to interested on the short profit to see it)
BTW, this topic is to discuss an issue in game, not to launch unfounded rmt accusations. If you have prove of that go submit a ticket.
adena prices dropped
and item prices are plummeting
THE PERFECT SCENARIO for casual players and those who don't spend much on the game.
you're mad about your losses and can't see past it, saying its worse for the casual players, when its better.
THE PERFECT SCENARIO for casual players and those who don't spend much on the game.
you're mad about your losses and can't see past it, saying its worse for the casual players, when its better.
It would be the perfect scenario IF those players had adena to spend. But since they can't sell anything they can't generate adena to enjoy that scenario.
It's funny you say that cause the players that most complain in game about this situation are the casual players cause they can't sell their stuff.
Personally, as i told you before, i'm not majorly affected by this situation, you can choose to believe it or not, not my problem.
I dont see any casual player complaining about. All i see is farmer complaining why cant they sell items.
Theres no problem loosing casual players and every day servers populations droping in numbers, but problem is your cash float. ROFL.
you're mad about your losses and can't see past it, saying its worse for the casual players, when its better.
Pretty unfair comment considering BurnCycles first complaints were about low adena drop rate and Fish-doomsday-changes, both things that shouldnt concern him when he's a RB farmer.
Pretty unfair comment considering BurnCycles first complaints were about low adena drop rate and Fish-doomsday-changes, both things that shouldnt concern him when he's a RB farmer.
adena drop rates have been *** for the past 3 years.
and when i say casual players, i mean those that at least can spend around 50-100 bucks a month. which is enough for decent gear with this current trend.
You're noticing it after 3 years......lal.
The botted adena is going down the drain and fast.Thats by design, it just took a longer than it should have.
The prices will drop even more, since not everything can be NPCd.Thats how economy works in general, supply-demand driving the prices, where adena supply will become lower and lower.
This is actually good for new or casual players, coz they can npc stuff and buy w/e they need at much lower prices.
As a person that sells hundreds of items per week, i have been noticing a significantly collapse of the economy of the game. There are no adena floating in the casual players and those players are not buying the stuff they need thus collapsing market of some servers. (At least in Freya there are incredible few items transactions and it seems to be getting worst)
It is clear that this is being caused by a number of policies implemented by NCSoft on our servers only, such as the adena drop nerf, (that no other server got at the rate we had) the fishing elcyum fiasco and the lack of free rewarding events that can give some buying power to the casual/non-paying players. I repeat, we are the only servers that are getting nerfed like this!
A few months back you said that you would work on revert this kind of policies, but since that things got even worst, either by the lack of action or by the fishing fiasco, things are now way worst then when you said those words.
The new update will bring even worst content, that may throw more people out of this game so my question is, do you have anything planned to revert the complete collapse of the game's economy on our servers, or are you completely dependent on the Korean lack of interest of maintaining an healthy server/community on the NCWest servers?
I don't know about other people, but in my case i already decided not to spend ncoins on any event/promotion that ncsoft throws at us until i know there's any hope for the current games crisis.
Hope i get some feedback and thanks for any future replies.
Put your stuff cheaper so normal players who don’t rmt and make l2 store use can actually finally buy something from the market . Pvp set + 10 was 140 bill . Like how is it possible to collect legit this amount of adena . Right price would be 20 bill. I can’t w8 the time that the prices will drop into normal .- 80% so ppl can actually buy something FINALLY !
Put your stuff cheaper so normal players who don’t rmt and make l2 store use can actually finally buy something from the market . Pvp set + 10 was 140 bill . Like how is it possible to collect legit this amount of adena . Right price would be 20 bill. I can’t w8 the time that the prices will drop into normal .- 80% so ppl can actually buy something FINALLY !
From where you poping out ? 20 bil for a +10 dark set ? are you serious ?
Why not giving it for free ?
Actually, even only for EAR it will cost around 7/10b to make a full set +10 (aka 5m each). Then buying success enchant stones, transform some ear to GEAR and BEAR. This mean buying the recipe, lvling one ertheia to transform them, buying / creating some airstones ... Using maphr potions, using nano stew, making a +7 maphr shirt ..
All that invest to make (not for sure) a +10 set. And even with all of that a r99 +10 set will cost to product around 30b minimum. That's are actually sold for 40/45b.
And you want a +10 pvp set for 20b ? ... Seriously dude ... go back to your cave ..
From where you poping out ? 20 bil for a +10 dark set ? are you serious ?
Why not giving it for free ?
Actually, even only for EAR it will cost around 7/10b to make a full set +10 (aka 5m each). Then buying success enchant stones, transform some ear to GEAR and BEAR. This mean buying the recipe, lvling one ertheia to transform them, buying / creating some airstones ... Using maphr potions, using nano stew, making a +7 maphr shirt ..
All that invest to make (not for sure) a +10 set. And even with all of that a r99 +10 set will cost to product around 30b minimum. That's are actually sold for 40/45b.
And you want a +10 pvp set for 20b ? ... Seriously dude ... go back to your cave ..
Try to farm 30b by actually playing the game (l2store involved at all for any equip)) andu'll find out that even 20b is overpriced xD
From where you poping out ? 20 bil for a +10 dark set ? are you serious ?
Why not giving it for free ?
Actually, even only for EAR it will cost around 7/10b to make a full set +10 (aka 5m each). Then buying success enchant stones, transform some ear to GEAR and BEAR. This mean buying the recipe, lvling one ertheia to transform them, buying / creating some airstones ... Using maphr potions, using nano stew, making a +7 maphr shirt ..
All that invest to make (not for sure) a +10 set. And even with all of that a r99 +10 set will cost to product around 30b minimum. That's are actually sold for 40/45b.
And you want a +10 pvp set for 20b ? ... Seriously dude ... go back to your cave ..
Actually he is right(I mean KKKm)...All items necessary to make a set can be farmed in game easy. When you put a price tag to an item you should consider the price you can sell it to npc,everything up that price is welcome and its profit.
I said it in other thread, take in consideration ideal condition of making that set, weapon, etc.
You will find that its not that hard to +++
Now let me help you with minimum conditions that cost you little money:
1.to be in dominant clan who farm gainak
2.36+ nobless chars(main/dual: 36 lvl 85-89/36 lvl 90-94)
3.3+ lvl 101 chars
4.1+ lvl 100 ertheia
5.1 dwarf 100+ full luc,+10 set(from main ofc), all exhalted quests, venir, etc
6.nano supliments...lots
7.marph shirt+7
8.a strategy...and a lot of time
9.etc :)
If you dont have those and start to enchant...well, you do it on your risk. As you can see now prices go down very fast.
Just dont come on forum and cry you dont sell or sell in loss :).
Btw, only noobs pay for EAR :P
i can but i wont search the post where i explained the market for u guys, looks like just some of u read it anyways.
1.
market is controled by staff, u may think u have some control of it, but u dont.
2.
the good stuff in the game in some point of the game would be regular stuff, when it happens, THE SERVER LL DECIDE THE CAP WHEN THE PRICE LL STAY BY DEMAND AND SUPPLY
2.1.
ppl start to reach the endgame, getting close in gear. (on innova the ammount of +8 eternal blessed sets are unbelievable, that sets the price at 3.5b each piece for light, and even low for the other classes) (pvp/pve stones farmed by enemys, that define the prices)
2.2.
in this case, staff managed to decrease the botted adena from the past years, WHEN THE STAFF LET THE PPL BOT THAT ADENA IN ORDER TO GROW POPULATION, yes, ncsoft design that, they let ppl do that, and it was intencional.
2.3.
the casual players are playing and saving money in order to enter 2.1 scenario. (u ll need to wait for that, if this isnt happening, then most like 2.4 or 2.5 are happening)
2.4.
Some time interval arrives, like in innova, ppl used to said: __wait for summer when ppl comes around, like in december and january the server is close toa dead town.
2.5.
players had enough and start to leaving.
if u need money asap do whatever u want, if u dont need that money asap, wait for the next cash in/cash out event staff ll do.
cash in /cash out event = p2w adena, this way u can sell for the price u think is fair.
adena drop rates have been *** for the past 3 years.
and when i say casual players, i mean those that at least can spend around 50-100 bucks a month. which is enough for decent gear with this current trend.
Wow dude, wtf, $50-$100/month
That is literally almost the exact opposite of casual. Look up the word.
All that invest to make (not for sure) a +10 set. And even with all of that a r99 +10 set will cost to product around 30b minimum. That's are actually sold for 40/45b.
And you want a +10 pvp set for 20b ? ... Seriously dude ... go back to your cave ..
Please consider this;
1. What determines the amount an item is worth?
Is it the NPC shop price?
Is it something you just made up?
Are you a lemming and just saw it for sale in AH for that much and as such, that's what its worth?
Or does it have something to do with supply and demand.
2. At what rate do the people who need these +10 sets acquire adena?
As burn said, the market is not in sync. Sellers and buyers are not on the same page with pricing.
As mixa said, how long would it take to earn 20b?
If the buyers can earn an ever diminishing amount of adena, trending towards "0" (don't worry its parabolic, you wont actually ever hit 0), how much can sellers charge at any given point in time? (the answer is less than previously, always)
Having 40 some odd toons is insane.
Pricing items based off of an old now outdated economic model is bad practice.
He doesn't articulate very well, but he is sort of on the mark here;
1.
market is controled by staff, u may think u have some control of it, but u dont.
The FLOOR of the market is set by NPC price. When no one is left to buy stuff, or when adena drops are removed 100%, everything will be bought by NPCs.
Even the arbitrary price of 20b to make a +10 set is only dictated by the current cost of acquiring resources in the current economy.
Is it the NPC shop price?
Is it something you just made up?
Are you a lemming and just saw it for sale in AH for that much and as such, that's what its worth?
Or does it have something to do with supply and demand.
2. At what rate do the people who need these +10 sets acquire adena?
As burn said, the market is not in sync. Sellers and buyers are not on the same page with pricing.
As mixa said, how long would it take to earn 20b?
If the buyers can earn an ever diminishing amount of adena, trending towards "0" (don't worry its parabolic, you wont actually ever hit 0), how much can sellers charge at any given point in time? (the answer is less than previously, always)
Having 40 some odd toons is insane.
Pricing items based off of an old now outdated economic model is bad practice.
He doesn't articulate very well, but he is sort of on the mark here;
The FLOOR of the market is set by NPC price. When no one is left to buy stuff, or when adena drops are removed 100%, everything will be bought by NPCs.
Even the arbitrary price of 20b to make a +10 set is only dictated by the current cost of acquiring resources in the current economy.
This.
If you actually read Chuck's posts, you may learn something.
The FLOOR of the market is set by NPC price. When no one is left to buy stuff, or when adena drops are removed 100%, everything will be bought by NPCs.
Even the arbitrary price of 20b to make a +10 set is only dictated by the current cost of acquiring resources in the current economy.
yeah man, so prices at npc were set by chucksteak instead of ncsoft, i guess delusional seeker is seting npc prices too, right?
yeah man, so prices at npc were set by chucksteak instead of ncsoft, i guess delusional seeker is seting npc prices too, right?
please guyz, really???? jesus...........
You can't read, can you?, Chuck said and you even quoted him:
NPC SHOPS SET THE FLOOR PRICE which means that if you have 1 gemstone R and you can sell it to the NPC for 1m, no on in their right mind would sell it for below that to a PC, hence the floor price for that item is 1m. This applies to all items that can be bought and sold by NPC's.
Got it?, what Chuck said is precisely one aspect of what you said: THE SERVER CONTROLS THE MARKET PRICES and this is one of the mechanisms they use to control it. Where the hell did he say that prices at the NPC's are set by the player's market!?
Dude, on top of being by far the biggest troll in the forums you're also dumb... oh no!, again the burgers from your street cart are overcooking!, go flip them before you reply!. Anyway, No need to answer me or quote me, I know your response will be that of an irate 12 yr old, so I am not going to engage with your tantrums, I am just gonna laugh at them.
From where you poping out ? 20 bil for a +10 dark set ? are you serious ?
Why not giving it for free ?
Actually, even only for EAR it will cost around 7/10b to make a full set +10 (aka 5m each). Then buying success enchant stones, transform some ear to GEAR and BEAR. This mean buying the recipe, lvling one ertheia to transform them, buying / creating some airstones ... Using maphr potions, using nano stew, making a +7 maphr shirt ..
All that invest to make (not for sure) a +10 set. And even with all of that a r99 +10 set will cost to product around 30b minimum. That's are actually sold for 40/45b.
And you want a +10 pvp set for 20b ? ... Seriously dude ... go back to your cave ..
1 ) all the items you mentioned above are provided from the nice events . So no need to craft anything , except the +10 set. 2) go farm 20 bill legit then come out of your cave ! And don’t come tell me you have 6/6 broonches +16 or dragon weapons and all boss jewels , pve cloaks +18 and you farm this 20 bill EASY . We talk about average players who make everything with there cp 7 ppl means they devide all /7.
1 ) all the items you mentioned above are provided from the nice events . So no need to craft anything , except the +10 set. 2) go farm 20 bill legit then come out of your cave ! And don’t come tell me you have 6/6 broonches +16 or dragon weapons and all boss jewels , pve cloaks +18 and you farm this 20 bill EASY . We talk about average players who make everything with there cp 7 ppl means they devide all /7.
20B are really easy to make especially when you have this fishing event (10k bait = 15b minimum) !
And no i don't have all boss jewels, i don't have this new cloack at all, i don't have 6 broches, i don't have +16 ++ weapon
I don't spend 1k$ per months in game, but when i can 50/60$ in offgamers website to buy high game cards when i reach the bigest card price, and i stock ncoins until i can buy items and sell them for a good price in adena. So yes it's legit, and very very very very very easy.
But i didn't get all my items with $$, i did that to get around 20/30b, then i invest it to OE items and selling them, then buy more mats to OE more, etc etc etc. SO YES IT IS LEGIT !
Go learn how to play dude if you can't do that by yourself ! Just buy a brain, and learn how to use game mechanics !
No is not, many old players have that amount of toons and even more.
Many ppl, no lifers, have 3-4 pc and a lot of time to spare.
Now on topic...
The point is you cant match them, speaking in economic terms is like a small business compete with a multinational company...guess who s winning? :)
While you need to buy ingredients they got them free by farming...now, when prices go down they still have profit while you lost bilions adena and cry on forum the market is broken.
Guess what, next 2-3 months will be x10 worst. December is half dead with or without Salvation, January is complete dead...things start to move a bit from half of February...
Most of you missed the point of this thread, the problem is not the actual price drop, that might even be good for some, the issue here is the lack of adena for the casual players, that might lead them to quitting the game. That's the real issue!
Item prices drop happened in the past, they are not new thing in L2, what is a new thing is the casual players not having a single way to get adena. (Before there were some quests/specific drops that could give them a some low but steady income, they all been nerfed now)
I get it, i'm from a big clan so i'm the enemy on everything... try to stop looking at that and try to understand what we are discussing in this thread... it's an actual serious issue.
20B are really easy to make especially when you have this fishing event (10k bait = 15b minimum) !
And no i don't have all boss jewels, i don't have this new cloack at all, i don't have 6 broches, i don't have +16 ++ weapon
I don't spend 1k$ per months in game, but when i can 50/60$ in offgamers website to buy high game cards when i reach the bigest card price, and i stock ncoins until i can buy items and sell them for a good price in adena. So yes it's legit, and very very very very very easy.
But i didn't get all my items with $$, i did that to get around 20/30b, then i invest it to OE items and selling them, then buy more mats to OE more, etc etc etc. SO YES IT IS LEGIT !
Go learn how to play dude if you can't do that by yourself ! Just buy a brain, and learn how to use game mechanics !
So keep up with your plan buy nc coins and sell them . Nc coin market is stable . Why you are here in this topic? This is about adena market not nc coin market .
Most of you missed the point of this thread, the problem is not the actual price drop, that might even be good for some, the issue here is the lack of adena for the casual players, that might lead them to quitting the game. That's the real issue!
Item prices drop happened in the past, they are not new thing in L2, what is a new thing is the casual players not having a single way to get adena. (Before there were some quests/specific drops that could give them a some low but steady income, they all been nerfed now)
I get it, i'm from a big clan so i'm the enemy on everything... try to stop looking at that and try to understand what we are discussing in this thread... it's an actual serious issue.
Actually BurnCycle casual paying $$$ ppl have all the means to play the game...pve mood.
Agree, casual non paying players are kinda stuck. But who care?
They are just fresh meat for "whales" to kill during sieges, oly and coc and then brag on forum with vids how good, how strong they are, how they made them carpet. If they quit mby you start pvp "whale" vs "whale" :).
Btw, have you thought what drain definitively adena from market?
I can think at pve and pvp sets and weapons, enchanting skils, buying suplies from npc, paying for clan hall, paying Auction items...
But none of that drain so much adena to influence the market so hard.
Just lol, 200 euro for 15 bil adena ....
So your expectation for a set+++++ is min 600 euro? Are you insane?
Ps:yes, euro its not a mistake...ppl outside US pay in euro on 1:1 parity.
So keep up with your plan buy nc coins and sell them . Nc coin market is stable . Why you are here in this topic? This is about adena market not nc coin market .
If you plan making your adena income only from ncoin you are only dumb a.ss.
Did i said that my icome come from ncoins ?
I sad that i made my first investisment with ncoins to get around 20/30b ! Learn what means words ! It tooks me around 1 year and half to get this amount of adena in first time !
After i could buy items only with buying mats, crafting, OE items and selling them. So i'm exactly in the correct topic !
Pleistoros, if you wanna compare $ and €, ok let's do it. 200€ for 15b ? Are you serious ? 12k ncoins = 10k baits, this mean 8k+8k = 170,20€ from offgamers(202.26$). This mean 16 k ncoins - 12k ncoins = 4k ncoins left, this mean you took 15b and you still have 4k ncoins, then you can still buy a 4k bait packs, or better, buy a divine pack for 4k ncoins. From this you can selling the giant dyes, venir talisman, adventurer items, the abudance pack, rare accessory pack, and even the 30 days tatoo (if i'm not wrong), then you take back at least, 5/6B more.
This mean 170€ = 15+5 = 20b(minimum, if you are smart and wait the correct period, you can get way more). Go to the black market seller, and you will find something like 200/250€ for 20b.
Now that you learned from your stupidity. With this 20B you got. You can start buying items to OE a r99 parts, then selling it, and take profit. Then going to next part, and keep increasing your profit.
Now if you wanna buy everything using ncoins, i'm happy for you, this mean your are an harabic prince, or a rich guy. I'm happy for you, but i'm not. So yes, i'm indeed exactly in the correct topic since my only income adena are coming from OE / selling items system.
Hard to do it indeed ? Just learn how to use game mecanics !
Actually BurnCycle casual paying $$$ ppl have all the means to play the game...pve mood.
Agree, casual non paying players are kinda stuck. But who care?
They are just fresh meat for "whales" to kill during sieges, oly and coc and then brag on forum with vids how good, how strong they are, how they made them carpet. If they quit mby you start pvp "whale" vs "whale" :).
Btw, have you thought what drain definitively adena from market?
I can think at pve and pvp sets and weapons, enchanting skils, buying suplies from npc, paying for clan hall, paying Auction items...
But none of that drain so much adena to influence the market so hard.
More?
You should care cause of the domino effect, if a big chunk on those non paying players leave, another big chunk of paying ones will leave too following their friends/clans to whatever is next. And that will cause a significantly population reduction that will lead to other players quitting too, and in the end you will be the one complaining about because there won't be enough players for the game to be enjoyable.
Plus, if there's no lower level tie, who will you sell those things you get from the events that you are mentioning? NPC sell? check some of the items prices on the npc that you usual get on events, you might find some nasty surprises.
About the drain issue you mentioned, adena will always be drained by game mechanics. That's why you need an healthy supply of adena.
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You can start buying items to OE a r99 parts, then selling it, and take profit. Then going to next part, and keep increasing your profit.
Hard to do it indeed ? Just learn how to use game mecanics !
First pls care how you talk, i didnt ofend you.
Second, you seem to do not understand...how can I explain you better...
You use the red part to oe items, that mean cost in adena.
The "whale" I was talking about got them for free aka not pay aka no cost.
Both of you want to sell...guess who can sell with profit after a discount fight.
For next months your strategy to make adena by buy ingredients and oe will not function properly...you need to find another "thing".
Now, pls be kind to contribute at "what drain adena definitively from market".
First pls care how you talk, i didnt ofend you.
Second, you seem to do not understand...how can I explain you better...
You use the red part to oe items, that mean cost in adena.
The "whale" I was talking about got them for free aka not pay aka no cost.
Both of you want to sell...guess who can sell with profit after a discount fight.
For next months your strategy to make adena by buy ingredients and oe will not function properly...you need to find another "thing".
Now, pls be kind to contribute at "what drain adena definitively from market".
That kind of way to OE items to selling them drain adena. To only 1 guy, yourself. If you buy items from AH / players sellers in town you give them some adena to buy more items, and probably buy the item you just OE.
So yes it's cost 10x or 20x the price that it would cost if you farming everything by yourself with your 80 differents toons. But in your way, you are the only one to get adena. And no one can selling items in the end.
You should care cause of the domino effect, if a big chunk on those non paying players leave, another big chunk of paying ones will leave too following their friends/clans to whatever is next. And that will cause a significantly population reduction that will lead to other players quitting too, and in the end you will be the one complaining about because there won't be enough players for the game to be enjoyable.
Plus, if there's no lower level tie, who will you sell those things you get from the events that you are mentioning? NPC sell? check some of the items prices on the npc that you usual get on events, you might find some nasty surprises.
About the drain issue you mentioned, adena will always be drained by game mechanics. That's why you need an healthy supply of adena.
You missunderstud but you are right, i dont care about them. I say again...casual non payers, they are non factors by quantity and exist only to stimulate ego of whales(like, whohoo..I hit him with 2 mil damage..Im strong :D ). Im sure non lifers who are also non payers know how to make some adena in game.
I will be happy if 90% of ppl will quit, mby that way NcSoft will be forced to act like they care.
Between 2 of us, what to do in game as casual non spenders or non spenders? No acces in important farm areas like Gainak, No dragons, no field Rb, No siege, No Oly, No CoC...just few instances in town and beautiful architecture (I know some ******** who will say who hold them to compete, pls dont!).
That kind of way to OE items to selling them drain adena. To only 1 guy, yourself. If you buy items from AH / players sellers in town you give them some adena to buy more items, and probably buy the item you just OE.
So yes it's cost 10x or 20x the price that it would cost if you farming everything by yourself with your 80 differents toons. But in your way, you are the only one to get adena. And no one can selling items in the end.
Now that you understud im happy.
I need adena to buy other things that I cant farm, im not the only one who get adena.
Back to drain thing, I said complety from game, aka like when you buy from npc things...Gemstone r from mamon-I found another one.
I have a feeling that some ppl drain and hold adena from the market....
You missunderstud but you are right, i dont care about them. I say again...casual non payers, they are non factors by quantity and exist only to stimulate ego of whales(like, whohoo..I hit him with 2 mil damage..Im strong :D ). Im sure non lifers who are also non payers know how to make some adena in game.
I will be happy if 90% of ppl will quit, mby that way NcSoft will be forced to act like they care.
Between 2 of us, what to do in game as casual non spenders or non spenders? No acces in important farm areas like Gainak, No dragons, no field Rb, No siege, No Oly, No CoC...just few instances in town and beautiful architecture (I know some ******** who will say who hold them to compete, pls dont!).
Lineage 2 always was a game where you could completely go PVE. There are clans dedicated to that, farming epic raids, the new instances, old instances, grinding, etc... You can ask, what do they gain about it? They get XP, and, if the game was working as it supposed to be, they would gain items/adena from those places. There are players that enjoy that.
In some cases there are wars between small clans, that means PVP between them for the right of farming in some specific place.
Those players shouldn't be allowed to play at NCSoft? And if we go your way and get those 90% of the player base gone, who will buy those items you get from the L2 paying events?
you mentioned maybe then ncsoft will be forced to "care", but care about what if you apparently are in favor of a paying way only? You got me confused there.
Now that you understud im happy.
I need adena to buy other things that I cant farm, im not the only one who get adena.
Back to drain thing, I said complety from game, aka like when you buy from npc things...Gemstone r from mamon-I found another one.
I have a feeling that some ppl drain and hold adena from the market....
For sure some ppl are stocking adena, in first it's black market sellers, they should have something like 100b in stock i guess. But after, it's players.
Especially on Freya, the end games items aka new cloack +15++ are sold for 200b +, then lvl 5 jewelery for the same amount of adena.
So ppl that can get some adena from market, stock them until 200/250b and no one invest anymore.
The problem come mainly from the price of l2store items.
If ppl are not happy with those instances they can quit, we are not their parents to babysitting them.Thats why I said i dont care.
I help them with some knowledge and some guidance...but thats all.
I, for example, use l2store for my own purpose...im not selling ncoins or items from l2store. If I have a surplus of something i use on alt or sell to npc.
NcSoft should do he's part...to manage the game and balance things in a manner that everybody enjoy the game..they dont do it atm.
If ppl are not happy with those instances they can quit, we are not their parents to babysitting them.Thats why I said i dont care.
I help them with some knowledge and some guidance...but thats all.
I, for example, use l2store for my own purpose...im not selling ncoins or items from l2store. If I have a surplus of something i use on alt or sell to npc.
NcSoft should do he's part...to manage the game and balance things in a manner that everybody enjoy the game..they dont do it atm.
So you agree there's an issue, you just don't care about it!. If that's the case why you posting in here implying there's no issue at all?
I see ppl arguing here, and I agree with some points and disagree with others. I think none of you mentioned the importance of the planning/thinking in the long run. Anyhow, I have my own vision on things obviously and probably very few agree with my opinion so I won't bother with sharing it. Instead ask yourself some astonishingly simple questions. Why is adena drop nerfed? Why don't quests give more reasonable rewards? Why did we get modify scrolls introduced as drops rather thank keeping elcyum powders and the such. Why is market not steady as ppl state it? Is economy really collapsing? If yes, which part of it? As a whole? These necessary nerfs we are wondering about, happened for whatever reason you're thinking of, but why? Ask yourself why wasn't there another solution. If you ponder upon it a little, using the domino effect in a reversed manner as someone mentioned it above, you've probably figured it out by now why some players are satisfied and why some aren't.
There you go, feel free to initiate a keyboard warrior session.
That is literally almost the exact opposite of casual. Look up the word.
are you stupid?
how is 50 dollars a month not casual? There is a difference between casual and those who don't pay a single cent.
50 dollars for most people is less than half a days work.
I see ppl arguing here, and I agree with some points and disagree with others. I think none of you mentioned the importance of the planning/thinking in the long run. Anyhow, I have my own vision on things obviously and probably very few agree with my opinion so I won't bother with sharing it. Instead ask yourself some astonishingly simple questions. Why is adena drop nerfed? Why don't quests give more reasonable rewards? Why did we get modify scrolls introduced as drops rather thank keeping elcyum powders and the such. Why is market not steady as ppl state it? Is economy really collapsing? If yes, which part of it? As a whole? These necessary nerfs we are wondering about, happened for whatever reason you're thinking of, but why? Ask yourself why wasn't there another solution. If you ponder upon it a little, using the domino effect in a reversed manner as someone mentioned it above, you've probably figured it out by now why some players are satisfied and why some aren't.
There you go, feel free to initiate a keyboard warrior session.
+1
Probably you are so geared up, while i am not, you do so much rmt, which i don't, that you can't see what's happening at 1 inch in front of your nose.
Ok i'm a returning player. 1-85 in 8 hours ... hoyaa
Untill the paulina's tw sets wears off and then?
Oh yeah I can sell the modify scrolls bulk that i've collected to buy a real tw and a real apo weapon. Really?
After that i reach lvl 95 with more modify scrolls and i could buy for sure a seraph blessed set +8 and a specter weapon +16 3sa.
Modify scrolls can change the life of an l2 player you know.
:rolleyes:
Let be serious for just 1 minute.
No new players = no one buys tw anymore
No one buys seraph anymore
In 2 months no one buys r99 gear anymore.
In 6 months this ship will sink.
And it has to be said that Neutron's way of thiking is the worst one ever possible.
Ok i have real money to spend. To whom am i supposed to sell the stuff i buy on the l2store? new players? there aren't. returning players? for sure they will prefer to spend the same amount of money that gta online does require in a lifetime for a 7 day rune .... Really?
Only chronos has a real market because all the ppl from freya and naia are buying there.
NCwest is more than happy. They aren't able to mantain a stable server population on naia and freya aka less than 1.500 pl but they earn real money for
the server transfer fee, aka 50 bucks x transfer. If you want to gear up properly without selling your car/house you have to go to chronos giran paying 50 bucks to Neutron.
In 6 months or less threre will be 30 toons, all alts, in chronos giran.
If Hime doesn't take control of this ship, obviously.
I think all the top L2 NA end gamers don't realize that NCWest won't allow them to pvp in a virtual world without a solid player base aka 6.000 or more players. And they don't even give a s h i t about this because, just think about it, they are spending three times the money I spent with a 6 years monthly fee only to buy their rares and dandies.
.....
Tomorrow = mantainance.
Just for your own curiosity. Make a toon elsewhere. Some one pointed out where.
When the mantainance will be finished return in here and ask to neutron why are u paying 2000 times for the very same item.
Edit: L2 is based on competion Peppinio vs Trulle me vs Jag the f a g bla bla. I spend 1.100 euros just to compete with that ****** to teach him some
sort of kindness. And this was only the first step. Who gives a sh i t about jag the ***. He's only another 300 pounds 19 years old guy with mental troubles.
But if you step aside just for 2 seconds you will realize one thing. This is a videogame and it is supposed to cost to all of us like a videogame not,
for sure, like our own house.
I see ppl arguing here, and I agree with some points and disagree with others. I think none of you mentioned the importance of the planning/thinking in the long run. Anyhow, I have my own vision on things obviously and probably very few agree with my opinion so I won't bother with sharing it. Instead ask yourself some astonishingly simple questions. Why is adena drop nerfed? Why don't quests give more reasonable rewards? Why did we get modify scrolls introduced as drops rather thank keeping elcyum powders and the such. Why is market not steady as ppl state it? Is economy really collapsing? If yes, which part of it? As a whole? These necessary nerfs we are wondering about, happened for whatever reason you're thinking of, but why? Ask yourself why wasn't there another solution. If you ponder upon it a little, using the domino effect in a reversed manner as someone mentioned it above, you've probably figured it out by now why some players are satisfied and why some aren't.
There you go, feel free to initiate a keyboard warrior session.
The official reason for all the nerfs we get is always the same: Bots/RMT. That's what Neutron will tell but that's not the real reason why they happen.
The bot reason doesn't apply anymore as most bot programs are banned upon use. The few that survive are OOG type of bots that are suppose to be easy ones to ban as they don't use the actual game client.
When it comes to RMT we have the same level of RMT as any other forgein server too.
Obviously all other forgein servers have the exact same issues, but for some reason, we do have different treatment to this issues. Why is that?
The answer is the lack of independence NCWest has. They basically have no power on any decision game related. So the Korea side treat this servers as there own personal piggy bank. They don't think ahead because the propose of this servers is to make money to finance there new projects.
So this nerfs are a way to push players to use the L2Store to make adena. They do have the right to do that, it's there servers, but pushing this model to the limit (like they are doing now) has their own problems and the main one is the domino effect that makes most of the population leave the servers.
And we are at that limit. those casual players (paying or non-paying) are starting to leave, most of them because they can't generate enough adena to survive in the game or simply to have some fun. That reduces the population of the servers and will lead to other important paying customers to leave too.
And that's why the market is crashing badly, we do need those casual players for the market to work properly.
Please do not confuse this thread as something like a simple prices drop. (We had plenty of situations like that before) That's not what this is all about! This is about an actual crash in the market, meaning no buyers and plenty of sellers. You guys can say whatever you want but when you get to the point that things don't sell and you have to sell stuff to the npc, that's the bottom line of a crash, that means the economy is not working anymore. And yes, some items are already being sold to the npc as a last resort.
@Neutron, you said in the past that you said that you wanted to change this lack of adena issue on casual players, is that something we can really expect? Or is just something you propose to the Korean side and is immediately ignore by them?
After reading your answer 2x, I think you failed to absorb the sarcasm in my message. Either that or you were talking to yourself. Idon't know, but wow, intriguing train of thought though.
If things were to get better dropwise/rewardwise that would generate more bot/rmt as people are known for their greediness. More exploiting again, etc. Obviously more adena floating too. More people willing to spend adena and ncoins. And NcWest only does what the players let them do to them. They don't force players to do anything. Not literally at least. The game is old, it's not inviting and being exploited to the extremity. What we old players see in the game, the new players might not understand, because of whatever reason they feel after playing a while and unable to progress/participate in other fun parts of the game. Hence they just quit. It's not only NcWest's fault, but the overall mentality of players in game affects how these new players are being welcomed into the community. You might not agree, but it's not a disposable aspect. There are 2 sides to every coin.
The answer is the lack of independence NCWest has. They basically have no power on any decision game related. So the Korea side treat this servers as there own personal piggy bank. They don't think ahead because the propose of this servers is to make money to finance there new projects.
Look at those faces ... are they all koreans? Nope.
Lets say i sell ice creams. 0.50 cents for an ice cream in korea, 0.50 cents for an ice cream in vietnam, 0.50 cents for an ice cream in russia, 0.50 cents for an ice cream all around the world but NA.
When it comes to NA an ice cream is worth 5.56 bucks. :confused:
As Yidao said ... who really knows what the koreans said to Neutron and if Neutron was awake when listening to them or if he has fallen asleep while they were talking.
You are saying it's all up to NCSoft Korea. I don't agree for a simple fact.
The fist to be fired for a subsidiary bankrupt would be Neutron.
Why Neutron is planning to fire up himself aka to be fired up?
Even if NCSoft Korea is saying to Neutron we sell sh it we in europe, ru and all around the world for .050 bucks but there, in NA, you have to sell it for 5.56 bucks if I was Neutron I would say no thanks I don't want to be fired up.
Because this will be the first L2 official server to fail. What a record for his/her own carieer.
BTW it's always the same
No new players - no one to sell things that we buy from the L2 store - no way to gear up - mass quit - Neutron Farewell.
Edit: Hahhahah I have just seen the upcoming event's rewards ... what a joke.
The +7 elemental shirts pack. Guess where it comes from ... lol
This is the proof they could do it but they didn't wanted to, untill now.
Now please tell me some joke about "we in NA do have a different L2 that comes directly from korea" CHOO CHOO
Those files are 1 year old. They are so old that even l2j owns them.
+ 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 for Hime.
As Draecke said probably is too late. Nothing can save this ship that's sinking or maybe not. At least something is moving
with a korean random % but it's moving in the right direction.
Now is all up to Hime.
THE PERFECT SCENARIO for casual players and those who don't spend much on the game.
you're mad about your losses and can't see past it, saying its worse for the casual players, when its better.Except it's not. Does it really matter if a a set drops from 40b to 30b when you can't make a billion in a month?
Sure prices have dropped some but in return a newbie can't even eek out the billion or so they used to be able to make.
Right now when I get someone new into the game they hit 85 with about 4 million adena (not buying anything in the process). At that point they can use diplomas to buy immortal gear which is arguable worse then the s grade paulina they are given. So instead they use the 30 day R grade paulina and buy shots with the diplomas (the most cost effective use). So they end up high 90s with s grade gear and the ability to maybe buy twilight armor in the process and a cheap +3 r grade weapon someone unloaded for below market price. So now they are 99 with twilight armor and a base level r weapon with s grade paulina jewels and none of the fancy talismans or rubys etc. Who is going to take them to any of the level 99 stuff with that kind of gear? No one and thus they either crack open the wallet and dump a ridiculous amount of real money into the game or quit. Almost all choose to quit right then. Others choose to quit later one when they realize they need to spend thousands more to be somewhat competitive in pvp.
As for me my first character was created in closed beta. My oldest played character is from day one and my other accounts are from later that month and/or year. The game had a waay WAAAAy worse infestation of bots back in the old days. The implementation of the paulina gear helped newbies a ton for that era but we're now well beyond that kind of gear when it comes to the high levels. A simple solution would be to expand the gear farther up to at least give newbies the ability to start earning their own good gear for their level. Veterans should be welcoming changes to help newbies gear up for end game stuff because that means more targets for fighting and other fun. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people QQing in hero or shout about the lack of pvp. Well if you want pvp then you need to let others get geared up so they feel competitive. There's nothing competitive about running up to someone and getting one shot before you even hit them once.
There's nothing competitive about running up to someone and getting one shot before you even hit them once.
This is why Naia felt from 3k players to 1.2k in 1 month.
Yeah is so interesting to grind up for 12 hours and you are happy to have increased by 0,01 % on your current level you are scrolling to town when bum oneshotted someone bress you bum oneshotted and bla bla untill you quit. To Jag the *** while you were fleeing to Chronos I was the one bressing our allies.
Netron wake up is morniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg ggggggggggg.
My 2cents about this. Yeah this is a problem. Adena flow is very important its basically a major factor why game is alive. Eliminate adena you will basically eliminate a game.
There is no problem with prices as such when it come to basic values for item aka clear or clean item such as:
elcyum poweders r r95 r99 armor crafting prices etc.
Problem occurs for OE items. For example 1 Lesser armor stone is equivalent to 1 billion Adena.Fail rate of stone is very high. With 70+ luck +9 maphr shirt failed 6stones in a row on +6 dark armor. 7th was successful but it popped me +3 instead +4 which made armor incomplete.
Ok in general OE armors can be cheap but it also can be very expensive.
There should be default value at npc for OEd armors. It has to be. Today default value for items for OEs armors are equals to +0 items.
There absolutely should be a value at npc for dragon items, value for anything that people buy for NCoins. Adena is a trademark in l2. You cannot eliminate. The only reason for current situation I can see is to increase price for Adena at 3rd party suppliers.
And as I stated in my topic before "Auction is broken" :) where I knew those topics will come up about this.
IF NCwest do not want multiple account holders benefit and supply adena they have to do AUTOMATED SYSTEM which would work for and for NCoins spenders and for ordinary players. I mean, idk some threshold sum of Adena for item where it simply outputs mail with Adena payment straight away. You if one get bored of +10 light gloves lets say want get +10 robe gloves. Market price lets say 10b and minimum payment for +10 = lets say 5-7 lesser stones attempts which will equal to 5-9bilion.
What i say is NCsoft need to bind Ingame item Value to L2store value in NCoins , Set item price treshhold by id in Auction house.
Well i dont know how but something like this. It is just quick assumption and quick idea how would be possible to sattisfy efforts for everyone. How NCoin spenders will be SURE about their investment and how freebies can work on dena : farm items enchant them aquire them sell them withthin that treshhold price. Something like this. So none crazy bugged man will affect AUction house prices. And yah limit to maximum payment can be set aswell.
But u know :) this is not up to me neither up to you. Its up to NCwest developers. And they need time and effort to implement this. But if they had a nice IT management for projects they would THINK about it very thoroughly and just do it for sake of good :)
Problem is between levels 85-100 the amount of adena dropped is horrid. 500-3k solo. Much less in party. Then you get into the higher zones like AF and start getting 10-20k in party. It's obnoxious how poorly past leveling zones are balanced against new content, and this isn't a new problem. Every expansion old leveling zones are much worse than 1 or 2 prime areas. Which typically one alliance/clan locks down, and secures their powerbase.
I remember when MOS used to give 40k adena per mobs and died in one to two hits. RMTers who made hundreds of billions in that era were well served through the forced deflation that occured the last 3 years. You're only hurting anyone that comes back or tries L2. Not the market tycoons who already control the monetary base.
Problem is between levels 85-100 the amount of adena dropped is horrid. 500-3k solo. Much less in party. Then you get into the higher zones like AF and start getting 10-20k in party. It's obnoxious how poorly past leveling zones are balanced against new content, and this isn't a new problem. Every expansion old leveling zones are much worse than 1 or 2 prime areas. Which typically one alliance/clan locks down, and secures their powerbase.
I remember when MOS used to give 40k adena per mobs and died in one to two hits. RMTers who made hundreds of billions in that era were well served through the forced deflation that occured the last 3 years. You're only hurting anyone that comes back or tries L2. Not the market tycoons who already control the monetary base.
This.
Now tell me wich mob does allow to a newbie to afford a tw set and an apo weapon +0. No one. How can it goes to k 95 with an immortal and requiem? If he quits to whom could we sell the stuff we buy from the L2store? To no one. If they quit we can't gear up properly and we will quit.
Now tell me how are you supposed to do 100+ dailies in immortal and requiem and, most important, to do pvp vs ppl 105 dark +10 dark +16 and brooch br ?
As Draecke said 10 months ago this game has come to an end in here due to Neutron, or whoever is behind the fishing scam the adena drop and the modify scrolls fiasco. There is only a korean random of 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % that Jag the fa g may continue to pvp with his own monitor.
Now tell me wich mob does allow to a newbie to afford a tw set and an apo weapon +0.
My experience is you have to have a clan referral or friend to carry you through 90-99 to get to higher areas that actually drop adena. Otherwise people just give up.
Really you spend 1k-4k in shots killing a mob. Only to have it drop 800 adena? It's insulting. You have to pray for recipe/mat/drop to break even. Much less make a profit to buy even basic gear. Not boss jewels, not accessories, rare augments, full attributing, cloaks, talismans, or whatnot. Just basic gear. Going from immortal to Seraph feels like immense task.
My experience is you have to have a clan referral or friend to carry you through 90-99 to get to higher areas that actually drop adena. Otherwise people just give up.
Really you spend 1k-4k in shots killing a mob. Only to have it drop 800 adena? It's insulting. You have to pray for recipe/mat/drop to break even. Much less make a profit to buy even basic gear. Not boss jewels, not accessories, rare augments, full attributing, cloaks, talismans, or whatnot. Just basic gear. Going from immortal to Seraph feels like immense task.
Lol well.
When I came back in 2016 and I hit 98 and got the seraph, no attr at all, my clan, my former one, made a party :D
But at that time it wasn't a must to have a maphr shirt +7, a shiny shirt +7, all jewels lvl 4 and bla bla. There was a time where with 2kkk you could do your dailies, fishing to get some adena. That time has gone.
Lets stick to the topic. The market is all about the new-returning players. If there are new-returning players the old ones may improve their gear, the new returning ones may improve their gear, the 100 top players on 3 servers may continue to pvp with their own monitors.
If there aren't no more new-returning players boom .. you have seen just a sympton in the ah.
The real boom is far way too near.
Now spenders get more items for less Adena since 1ncoin ~1.2-1.5m Adena. Well, soon enough people who actually farm Adena refuse to pay 1.2-1.5m Adena /Ncoin. And Spenders will post here about economic collapse also :)
Ncoin price will roll back to price 400k/Ncoin as it was before :D.
So you agree there's an issue, you just don't care about it!. If that's the case why you posting in here implying there's no issue at all?
I'm still waiting for a answer from Neutron... :(
There is no issue with adena flow...NcSoft just stoped inflation, thats all.
Like I said, the problem is NcSoft who should manage the game and balance things in a manner that everybody enjoy the game.
Stop full yourself and stop predict dooms day of servers if adena is getting too low...guess what, not going to happent.
Ppl will trade items old school...for real money...allready is happening.
Ps: Masha, there are no new players and less less returnig ppl :). A new player have no chance to start fresh in NcSoft.
You can't read, can you?, Chuck said and you even quoted him:
NPC SHOPS SET THE FLOOR PRICE which means that if you have 1 gemstone R and you can sell it to the NPC for 1m, no on in their right mind would sell it for below that to a PC, hence the floor price for that item is 1m. This applies to all items that can be bought and sold by NPC's.
Got it?, what Chuck said is precisely one aspect of what you said: THE SERVER CONTROLS THE MARKET PRICES and this is one of the mechanisms they use to control it. Where the hell did he say that prices at the NPC's are set by the player's market!?
Dude, on top of being by far the biggest troll in the forums you're also dumb... oh no!, again the burgers from your street cart are overcooking!, go flip them before you reply!. Anyway, No need to answer me or quote me, I know your response will be that of an irate 12 yr old, so I am not going to engage with your tantrums, I am just gonna laugh at them.
tell all the lies u need to feel good dude, distort all the facts if it ll make u feel better noob, whatever helps u sleep at night noob. i really dont give a ***** about u or what u write. bye nonfactor forum warrior.
I see ppl arguing here, and I agree with some points and disagree with others. I think none of you mentioned the importance of the planning/thinking in the long run. Anyhow, I have my own vision on things obviously and probably very few agree with my opinion so I won't bother with sharing it. Instead ask yourself some astonishingly simple questions. Why is adena drop nerfed? Why don't quests give more reasonable rewards? Why did we get modify scrolls introduced as drops rather thank keeping elcyum powders and the such. Why is market not steady as ppl state it? Is economy really collapsing? If yes, which part of it? As a whole? These necessary nerfs we are wondering about, happened for whatever reason you're thinking of, but why? Ask yourself why wasn't there another solution. If you ponder upon it a little, using the domino effect in a reversed manner as someone mentioned it above, you've probably figured it out by now why some players are satisfied and why some aren't.
There you go, feel free to initiate a keyboard warrior session.
really man? do u read all the answers??? really??? omg............ u guyz are simples dumb, thats enough.
My 2cents about this. Yeah this is a problem. Adena flow is very important its basically a major factor why game is alive. Eliminate adena you will basically eliminate a game.
so if a country start losing money, getting inflation, that country ll be eliminated? really?? u ppl, make me sick..................
the other pleistoros and i dont recall the other nicknames, are just nonsense after nonsense i wont spend my time reading.
Acording to OxBane most ppl are stupid and talk nonse :) but when he write something on forum he cant have a personal opinion on the subject just ofend others...sad.I feel sorry for you.
tell all the lies u need to feel good dude, distort all the facts if it ll make u feel better noob, whatever helps u sleep at night noob. i really dont give a ***** about u or what u write. bye nonfactor forum warrior.
really man? do u read all the answers??? really??? omg............ u guyz are simples dumb, thats enough.
so if a country start losing money, getting inflation, that country ll be eliminated? really?? u ppl, make me sick..................
the other pleistoros and i dont recall the other nicknames, are just nonsense after nonsense i wont spend my time reading.
OxBane are you really comparing a videogame to the real economy?
Ok lets talk about the real economy. Tell me now how a corp or ltd is supposed to survive in the real market while it's selling the very same items with a 2000% overprice compared to the others corps or lts that are selling those items all around the world.
In the real world that corp or ltd would have been expelled from the market on day 1. Or like someone said a loooooooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg time ago [2014] "i'm wondering how the fu ck we are still in business".
You guys do always the same thing. We are the n.1 who gives a **** about what happens all around the world. We are from NA we are the best of the best.
Wake up dude. Are you the best of the best?
How it comes that with the alien invasion event on 15.11.2017 you'll get the very same rewards that all around the world the other L2 players got on 12.8.2016? For god sake if you have installed l2j on november 2016 you should have got those rewards one year before.
Are you treated like the worst of the worst in the world and you have to pay 2000 times for this treatment?
Oh yeah.
This is the only software house in the world to think that to squeeze out 1500 folks, without adrealine bots and alts, is far way better than to have 100.000 satisfied customers.
Just to avoid any misunderstandings, Ox'bane is not from NA but from Brazil :)
And as Chucksteak pointed out on page 1 of this thread, behind all the rage he is basically right. It's really worth the effort to study his original post: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=294377#18
While NCWest doesn't have as much staff as Innova to micro-manage the economy - it took Neutron quite some time to realize that because of the exceptionally rewarding fishing items exchange rate he had a runaway inflation on his hands - there is nothing accidental or apocalyptical about the current readjustment of the in-game economy. Rest assured, it's all done on purpose and after careful deliberation.
What people tend to forget is that we are a non-factor as far as NCsoft Corp., the mother company, is concerned. The one and only purpose of L2@NCWest is to extract a maximum amount of money from the player base to finance these projects: https://recruit.ncsoft.net/korean/careers/adoptionsection.aspx
They need the money right now, and not at some time in the future. There is no consideration whatsoever for the satisfaction of some big-nosed dimwits beyond the ocean :D
Just to avoid any misunderstandings, Ox'bane is not from NA but from Brazil :)
And as Chucksteak pointed out on page 1 of this thread, behind all the rage he is basically right. It's really worth the effort to study his original post: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=294377#18
While NCWest doesn't have as much staff as Innova to micro-manage the economy - it took Neutron quite some time to realize that because of the exceptionally rewarding fishing items exchange rate he had a runaway inflation on his hands - there is nothing accidental or apocalyptical about the current readjustment of the in-game economy. Rest assured, it's all done on purpose and after careful deliberation.
What people tend to forget is that we are a non-factor as far as NCsoft Corp., the mother company, is concerned. The one and only purpose of L2@NCWest is to extract a maximum amount of money from the player base to finance these projects: https://recruit.ncsoft.net/korean/careers/adoptionsection.aspx
They need the money right now, and not at some time in the future. There is no consideration whatsoever for the satisfaction of some big-nosed dimwits beyond the ocean :D
Yidao you are right but the fishing scam =
- the old players can't manage to break even while doing their dailies, no more income = no more money to gear up because there's no one anymore to sell what they were used to buy from the L2store = quit
- the new players don't have a chance to gear up when the paulina's tw set wears off - they can't buy stuff from the old players = quit
Now tell me what's worst
- a ranaway inflation or
- a mass quit ?
How many players on the 3 NA L2 servers do have all the top gear equipment? 100-200?
NCWest will allow to those 200 freaks to pvp on a daily basis using NCSoft paid servers ?
The fundamentally flawed assumption this discussion is suffering from is that NCsoft would care if there is a mass quit. That is not the case. You must always keep in mind, Lineage 2 is only one among several games NCWest is publishing, and NCWest is only one among several branches within NCsoft Corp.
The responsibility of the management is not the well-being of one specific game in one specific territory, but the company as a whole. And on the whole we have a shift from PC-based games to mobile games. That is just so, not only in Asia but now also in the West: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1974&start=130#p37351
Lineage 2 is killed so that Lineage 2M (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=294375#1) can live. Nothing to get excited about. Simply enjoy your death :)
Disclaimer to all new players/readers:
Check Yidao's profile and you'll see he is posting this sermon in repeat like a macro since many many years, you can relax :)
Disclaimer to all new players/readers:
Check Yidao's profile and you'll see he is posting this sermon in repeat like a macro since many many years, you can relax :)
Really?
Eg. Heine fishing baits. June 2017. The old players that wanted to gear up, aka RS, were able to convert 150 u.s. dollars into 21 to 25 billions x fishing pack.
Heine fishing baits. 4 months later. November 2017. The old players that wanted to gear up, aka Husaria, weren't able to sell even 1 bait. Current price is 1.6k x bait instead of 2.1k to 2.5k x bait. -600k x bait aka -6b x pack aka -60b on a normal purchase made on June 2017.
+10 Dark Chronos -> 80b
+10 Dark Naia -> 140b
With a -60 bill income the players are supposed to spend twice the amount of money required on another NA server to buy the very same item and 42 b more the amount of money that is required to buy the very same item on 4 games.
Congratz. Who is this genious?
Just talking about naia mass quit [from 3k to 1.2] in one *** k in g month.
OxBane are you really comparing a videogame to the real economy?
Ok lets talk about the real economy. Tell me now how a corp or ltd is supposed to survive in the real market while it's selling the very same items with a 2000% overprice compared to the others corps or lts that are selling those items all around the world.
In the real world that corp or ltd would have been expelled from the market on day 1. Or like someone said a loooooooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg time ago [2014] "i'm wondering how the fu ck we are still in business".
You guys do always the same thing. We are the n.1 who gives a **** about what happens all around the world. We are from NA we are the best of the best.
Wake up dude. Are you the best of the best?
How it comes that with the alien invasion event on 15.11.2017 you'll get the very same rewards that all around the world the other L2 players got on 12.8.2016? For god sake if you have installed l2j on november 2016 you should have got those rewards one year before.
Are you treated like the worst of the worst in the world and you have to pay 2000 times for this treatment?
Oh yeah.
This is the only software house in the world to think that to squeeze out 1500 folks, without adrealine bots and alts, is far way better than to have 100.000 satisfied customers.
protectionism, closed market. both exist inside ncwest/l2.
protectionism = they control the rmt value, they let ppl bot to grow population, THEY LET U PICK DROPS FROM EVERYTHING SINGLE MOB ON THE GAME TO GROW POPULATION, IN ORDER TO CREATE AN ADDICTED POPULATION. do u really think the adena sellers determine the adena price????
Closed market = they open and close the adena income inside the game, they do that if they want to add drops To drop list making adena flow, they close that by doing what theyve done, removing all the drops, THEY OPEN THE MARKET BY ADDING A P2W EVENT, THEY CLOSE IT BY KEEPING THE GAME SOME MONTHS WITHOUT P2W EVENT.
items like jewell, brooch, shirts coming and going is another example.
how do i know that? i live in brasil! here everything for sale is sold up to 50% till 200% its market price, and we can choose only among the things that our government allows. there are many financial barriers to new businesses or products imposed by our corrupt government.
a coke cost u something around $2,00 is almost 3$ to us, and my country have coke factories.
here we got IPI and more, taxes over any product, and sometimes the tax is 70% over the product price, sometimes to bring something out, we pay up to 200% the value of the merchandise.
but i can agree something like Venezuelan inflation ll kill a country, but that inflation was the reflect from other things, and these things killed the country first and then it fockitup the inflation.
The fundamentally flawed assumption this discussion is suffering from is that NCsoft would care if there is a mass quit. That is not the case. You must always keep in mind, Lineage 2 is only one among several games NCWest is publishing, and NCWest is only one among several branches within NCsoft Corp.
The responsibility of the management is not the well-being of one specific game in one specific territory, but the company as a whole. And on the whole we have a shift from PC-based games to mobile games. That is just so, not only in Asia but now also in the West: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1974&start=130#p37351
Eg. Heine fishing baits. June 2017. The old players that wanted to gear up, aka RS, were able to convert 150 u.s. dollars into 21 to 25 billions x fishing pack.
Heine fishing baits. 4 months later. November 2017. The old players that wanted to gear up, aka Husaria, weren't able to sell even 1 bait. Current price is 1.6k x bait instead of 2.1k to 2.5k x bait. -600k x bait aka -6b x pack aka -60b on a normal purchase made on June 2017.
+10 Dark Chronos -> 80b
+10 Dark Naia -> 140b
With a -60 bill income the players are supposed to spend twice the amount of money required on another NA server to buy the very same item and 42 b more the amount of money that is required to buy the very same item on 4 games.
Congratz. Who is this genious?
Just talking about naia mass quit [from 3k to 1.2] in one *** k in g month.
Heine fishing event has good drops but garbage exp
This fishing event has really good exp but garbage drops
are you stupid?
how is 50 dollars a month not casual? There is a difference between casual and those who don't pay a single cent.
50 dollars for most people is less than half a days work.
So, you didn't look up the definition of the word "Casual" did you?
It's obvious, because you are calling me stupid, while at the same time insisting that "casual" doesn't mean what the word "casual" means.
It's ok, I can teach you. :D
From google;
ca·su·al
ˈkaZHo͞oəl/Submit
adjective
1.
relaxed and unconcerned.
"she regarded his affairs with a casual indulgence"
synonyms: relaxed, friendly, informal, unceremonious, easygoing, free and easy; informal laid-back
"the inn's casual atmosphere"
2.
not regular or permanent, in particular.
synonyms: temporary, part-time, freelance, impermanent, irregular, occasional
Paying large amounts of money is not "unconcerned".
Spending money is not "fee and easy".
Spending money every month for something, is not "irregular".
Spending money every month for something, is not "occasional".
I might actually be stupid, but at least I am not illiterate.
are you stupid?
how is 50 dollars a month not casual? There is a difference between casual and those who don't pay a single cent.
50 dollars for most people is less than half a days work.Someone making 50 dollars in less than half a days work makes +$31,200 a year. Assuming they work only 5 days a week which isn't true as in the USA most work more.
According to the IRS in 2014 the average US TAXPAYER (excludes those that hide their income like some of the rich and those that have paper routes) made $34,940 a year. Just looking at that you'll probably say "see I was right" except in 2014 Dr dre alone made almost $700,000,000. To average that 700m down to 34,940 would require tens (hundreds?) of thousands of taxpayers to earn less than $5,000 that year. Then there's Beyonce and thousands of other artists all who raked in +$100,000.000 that year. Movies stars, billionaires who make hundreds of millions without even doing anything and more.
Here's a helpful video to show you how out of whack income/wealth is in the USA.
So my point is that the majority of Americans make far less than "50 dollars in less than half a day". So your statement is extremely factually wrong when applied to those living in the USA. Were you referring to a different country?
Love the theories and the time people put into this topic. Very helpful.
To those of us that did not major in Econ, all I know is that I took a break from August 2017 until a week ago (after the Chronos merger) and the prices for almost everything sold in private stores or in auction either doubled or increased close to double.
All of my R gear and ability to make R and R95 gear is now useless. The mats cost more than the sale price.
I'll just leave all of my toons on fishing all the time. Lots of pennies do still add up over time.
Someone making 50 dollars in less than half a days work makes +$31,200 a year. Assuming they work only 5 days a week which isn't true as in the USA most work more.
According to the IRS in 2014 the average US TAXPAYER (excludes those that hide their income like some of the rich and those that have paper routes) made $34,940 a year. Just looking at that you'll probably say "see I was right" except in 2014 Dr dre alone made almost $700,000,000. To average that 700m down to 34,940 would require tens (hundreds?) of thousands of taxpayers to earn less than $5,000 that year. Then there's Beyonce and thousands of other artists all who raked in +$100,000.000 that year. Movies stars, billionaires who make hundreds of millions without even doing anything and more.
Here's a helpful video to show you how out of whack income/wealth is in the USA.
So my point is that the majority of Americans make far less than "50 dollars in less than half a day". So your statement is extremely factually wrong when applied to those living in the USA. Were you referring to a different country?
If you can afford a pc with internet, you can afford 50 bucks a month
So, you didn't look up the definition of the word "Casual" did you?
It's obvious, because you are calling me stupid, while at the same time insisting that "casual" doesn't mean what the word "casual" means.
It's ok, I can teach you. :D
From google;
ca·su·al
ˈkaZHo͞oəl/Submit
adjective
1.
relaxed and unconcerned.
"she regarded his affairs with a casual indulgence"
synonyms: relaxed, friendly, informal, unceremonious, easygoing, free and easy; informal laid-back
"the inn's casual atmosphere"
2.
not regular or permanent, in particular.
synonyms: temporary, part-time, freelance, impermanent, irregular, occasional
Paying large amounts of money is not "unconcerned".
Spending money is not "fee and easy".
Spending money every month for something, is not "irregular".
Spending money every month for something, is not "occasional".
I might actually be stupid, but at least I am not illiterate.
-Instructor Chuck
it also seems pretty obvious you don't know what occasional is, and 50 dollars is large amount of money? Wow, you really should of stayed in school, buddy.
We all know what is happening on Chrono where it ends. We saw it on Zaken. From the moment that we moved that cancer from Zaken, Chrono was doomed.
The CP game system that all you use , block new low players to have a chance to get help from veterans.
Here most of you are concerned if you will ever get the dragon wep without the slaves aka low ,new , random players that are leaving .
But you don't understand that you the top players of the top clans are playing a different game from us, the random, low players.
we play lineage 2. You play L2Store. 2 different games.
And NCSOFT it is not the only one that host Lineage 2 game.
So who has the biggest , trufflebutter or the other guy.
@Allcom: Till the "cancer from Zaken" moved on Chronos you had 1 sided server like Naia and Freya...Now you have 3-4 big strong clans who fight equal to equal. Say thank you Zaken and ****.
Like in real life there are rich ppl with personal planes and poor ppl...so it is in any mmorpg game. Stop play this kind of games if you dont like it.
Its sad what this thread become...ppl now have semantic problems instead of focusing on real problem. The adena infusion on market help only rmts who pull prices up up up...Neutron saw this and stoped inflation.
No hidden conspiracy, no fancy market strategy...just a simple ajustment of adena flow.
Compering real life with game would only be effective if in game you had tax to wealthy and politics and law and etc etc system's . So that candy of "as in real life" just let it out of the game.
From Zaken / Chronos merge you got 3-4 cp that come from Zaken where was farming everything and spending thousand of $$$ for 1 year and lost the base core players of chronos that felt scammed when after so many years have so much less then players that played for 2 years on zaken. So they just left.
+ this " Stop play this kind of games if you dont like it.
" kind of post and game play from players like you @Pleistoros put this community in a need of this kind of thread "@Neutron - Game Economy is collapsing".
You probably still dont get it ...
people should learn from the EA Star Wars Battlefront debacle to understand what's acceptable and what's not.. just cause L2 has been flying under the radar for so very long and NC/Netmarble has been putting up the thumbscrews on their milk cows err player base doesn't mean folks should just accept/take that kind of bad behavior.
as long as the gaming industry thinks they can get away with murder they will not change their tactics so maybe stop enabling them as like so many people has said/posted before you're all part of your own downfall/reduction of game enjoyment..
just stop and think for a second at what point it became acceptable that a player would need to invest over +1K USD just to be competitive in PVE let alone the thousands of dollars needed for PVP/Oly ?
people should learn from the EA Star Wars Battlefront debacle to understand what's acceptable and what's not.. just cause L2 has been flying under the radar for so very long and NC/Netmarble has been putting up the thumbscrews on their milk cows err player base doesn't mean folks should just accept/take that kind of bad behavior.
as long as the gaming industry thinks they can get away with murder they will not change their tactics so maybe stop enabling them as like so many people has said/posted before you're all part of your own downfall/reduction of game enjoyment..
just stop and think for a second at what point it became acceptable that a player would need to invest over +1K USD just to be competitive in PVE let alone the thousands of dollars needed for PVP/Oly ?
As if you weren't banging on that same door Draecke.....
As if you weren't banging on that same door Draecke.....
oh I've been complaining about it for much longer then you thou Mixa and I stopped care about it pvp wise as that went crazy town style years ago.. only did try to do a bunch of pve related crap and even that got stupid expensive yeah..
IF EVENTS WASN'T SO REWARDED THERE WOULDN'T BE SO MANY ITEMS IN GAME (more than the needs ) SO PLZ NERF EVENTS!!!:mad:
^ This
And I don't mean that in any humoristic way whatsoever. The rot set in with an event at the beginning of the Gracia Final update in Korea, when NCsoft was giving out Dynasty Armor parts as event rewards. For new players: in those days Dynasty equipment was very hard to get, requiring months of farming in Hellbound, with a huge expenditure on Soulshots; the monsters there were extremely tough and players just had S-Grade equipment, as in Imperial Crusader, Forgotten Blade etc.
This led to players getting their armors for free, not having to work for them in-game, enabling them to do the Tiat raid and obtain Vesper weapons. Since not enough adena was drained from the servers via Soulshots (back then the most important adena sink), wealth was accumulated, inflation ensued.
By now this phenomenon has escalated a hundred times. People use Save Cards from the L2Store to overenchant their equipment at exceedingly low cost, they use Talismans from the L2Store without spending even one Giant's Energy ...
Death to events! Death to items! Wipe the servers clean!
Compering real life with game would only be effective if in game you had tax to wealthy and politics and law and etc etc system's . So that candy of "as in real life" just let it out of the game.
so if a country start losing money, getting inflation, that country ll be eliminated? really?? u ppl, make me sick..................
are u rly that stupid to compare a GAME mmorpg with country ? get life. When game economy copalpses people uninstall it and go play other game. Okay ?
however in real life people have few choices its called emigration and **** suicide. Kapish newb?
are u rly that stupid to compare a GAME mmorpg with country ? get life. When game economy copalpses people uninstall it and go play other game. Okay ?
however in real life people have few choices its called emigration and **** suicide. Kapish newb?
stop talking sh*t kiddo.
the link i provided to the other doushbag like u, have a ton of serious work about the issue. u guyz are simple too dumb and illiterate on the subject.
its too d*mn simple, the fact that u ppl cant see the correlation proves that u are all dumb f**ks.
simples as that, i wont even talk about the countless nonsense and bs u stupid freaks post on boards everyday,
That you don't know about economy and societies it is clear. That probably you have spend to much on the game and have messup reality with virtual game world also is clear. Also that your knowledge are based on Google search is clear, but that you think "since it is written on Google it is true " is what make you a looser.
Now go be pro monkey
Well maybe but it does cost A LOT to play as a tank too.
Lets say I'm going to be a PVE tank only .. even this way you have to explain to me why you are doing sieges without beeing oneshotted.
Btw.
+10 PVE Heavy 65b =650 $
+12 PVE Weap 0 28b= 289 $
30 con +5 dyes = 40kk each x 30=1.2 bill=10.2 $
rare pack = 50 $ x 30daysk = 600 $ (it's far way nearer to 700$ x year)
jewels lvl 3 (:rolleyes:) 4.5b eachx52= 22.5b= 22.5 $
Radiant Brooch = 12000 ncoins = 150 $
Venir 14 = 2.8b = 2.8 $
Anakin = 9b = 9$
Longing = 7b = 7$
Ferios Cloak = at least 20b = 20 $
So to play a pve tank without never ever do a siege (:rolleyes:) = 1.760,50 $
If you want elemental shirts +7 you have to add at least another 1k $
So to whoever wants to pve without never ever do a single pvp even vs an elpy that's the deal
You will need, to say the less, 2.760,50 $ or you can buy 46 brand new games x year
If you want to be a pve only tank on naia you have to add a 40% on the price so you will need 4.140,75 $ or you can go to Fiji with your gf for 15 days 3 times x year
If you want to pvp properly you have to add 100k $ to that sum or you can buy your very own real, not pixel, house.
I usually disagree every time socketka write a single letter but this time he is right.
Try to log in on another L2 server and watch who is owning "your" precious pixels. NCWest.
Enjoy.
Don't remember who said something about the xp in the heine fishing events but the xp tables are the very same.
Meh for the alien event they used a 4games 2015 file ....
The different price is due to the lack of new players on naia.
June 2017 all RS were trying to gear up to face DH
November 2017 there are only DH. If you don't count DH, Husaria, maybe Ronin from Dps, the server population is 20 ppl in paulina's tw set, and,
ofc, adrenaline bots --> harnak+fairy
As soon as those 20 ppl will have to grab a tw set and an apo weap without having no income at all but modify scrools they will quit.
This is the answer.
Thank you Neutron
The funny thing is while reading this post to edit it I realized that no videogame in the universe may cost to me 5.000 bucks only to kill 1 mob.
Thanks Draecke ... quitting.
Edit: Jag, please, stop. Even if you will send 2000 mails x hour I will not sell the account to you.
I'd prefer to erase everything than selling all I have earned to you.
Well maybe but it does cost A LOT to play as a tank too.
Lets say I'm going to be a PVE tank only .. even this way you have to explain to me why you are doing sieges without beeing oneshotted.
Btw.
+10 PVE Heavy 65b =650 $
+12 PVE Weap 0 28b= 289 $
30 con +5 dyes = 40kk each x 30=1.2 bill=10.2 $
rare pack = 50 $ x 30daysk = 600 $ (it's far way nearer to 700$ x year)
jewels lvl 3 (:rolleyes:) 4.5b eachx52= 22.5b= 22.5 $
Radiant Brooch = 12000 ncoins = 150 $
Venir 14 = 2.8b = 2.8 $
Anakin = 9b = 9$
Longing = 7b = 7$
Ferios Cloak = at least 20b = 20 $
So to play a pve tank without never ever do a siege (:rolleyes:) = 1.760,50 $
If you want elemental shirts +7 you have to add at least another 1k $
So to whoever wants to pve without never ever do a single pvp even vs an elpy that's the deal
You will need, to say the less, 2.760,50 $ or you can buy 46 brand new games x year
If you want to be a pve only tank on naia you have to add a 40% on the price so you will need 4.140,75 $ or you can go to Fiji with your gf for 15 days 3 times x year
If you want to pvp properly you have to add 100k $ to that sum or you can buy your very own real, not pixel, house.
I usually disagree every time socketka write a single letter but this time he is right.
Try to log in on another L2 server and watch who is owning "your" precious pixels. NCWest.
Enjoy.
Don't remember who said something about the xp in the heine fishing events but the xp tables are the very same.
Meh for the alien event they used a 4games 2015 file ....
The different price is due to the lack of new players on naia.
June 2017 all RS were trying to gear up to face DH
November 2017 there are only DH. If you don't count DH, Husaria, maybe Ronin from Dps, the server population is 20 ppl in paulina's tw set, and,
ofc, adrenaline bots --> harnak+fairy
As soon as those 20 ppl will have to grab a tw set and an apo weap without having no income at all but modify scrools they will quit.
This is the answer.
Thank you Neutron
The funny thing is while reading this post to edit it I realized that no videogame in the universe may cost to me 5.000 bucks only to kill 1 mob.
Thanks Draecke ... quitting.
You keep talking son and it shows aside from being a liar you're not knowledgeable about the game as well... a PvE tank? A dark set heavy +10 costs around 70b but as a tank you really don't need a +10 set dark a +8 dark set is good enough as long as you got anakim (35b for the set + anakim 6b) why would you need to spend 600$ on a rare pack as well? use that adena to invest on a real bless anthy 30b and some mid tier epics such as baium/tezza soul etc 5b = 35b for epics, obsidian,pearl,diamond should be enough for a starter PvP tank topaz is good but not necessarily a must, you don't need ferios cloak I don't even have one on my tank lol, you don't necessarily need a con dye you can hit 150k without one lol so if you're in a really tight budget you don't even have to put dyes on your tank lol and the most stupid of them all is +12 PvE Cutter? why what for? to kill some mobs solo? tank is a support class let the real dds kill for you during PvE a mere apoc cutter 3sa not even a +4 one is enough which will cost roughly 5b including the 3rd sa...
Masha son do yourself a favor and stop offering your silly opinions gearing up a "PvE Tank" is like spending 2 millions of $ tuning up your honda civic wishing it's gonna be as good as a bugatti veyron etc lmao
Oh and bish pls Masha stop calling me out we all know you're a pathological liar there's no hiding that lmao calling me out SMH....I'm just gonna continue to humiliate you more and more :)
Rodah selling his +11 dark hv set = 95b = 950 $ right now in Chronos Giran.
Another MS is selling his +15 ferios cloak 160b=1.600 $
Another MS is selling his +10 PvE set for 65b= 650 $
And bla bla bla
I won't post the in game nicks only because I respect Zure.
Listen son I know you are no one in your own Real Life so you need some kind of approval in a virtual community and you got it hiding behind nuky, temperance call him as you want.
Now you do need fresh meat so while you are beaten up, badly, every single day God gives to your by you very own parents, you can beat up some poor dude in a virtual world just to say at the end of the day "I destroyed him".
Well the one to be destroyed is only you. I won't destroy you, Pepp won't destroy you. You are destroing yourself.
Now tell me who's online at 1.00 am, at 2.00 a.m. at 3.00 am, at 4.00 am. at 5.00 a.m, at 6.00 a.m at 7.00 a.m. non stop for 3 days.
To me this kind of addiction can be afforded only by someone that doesn't work to live.
Yep you got me I'm a no one in real life but I'm not low enough to lie in a virtual community just to make myself relevant like that guy who said he spent 1.1k euro to lvl up his 105 toon and when I asked him a screenshot he couldn't show anything :D You probably know him :D Oh and he said he's gonna buy a Lindvior cutter to destroy me :D
Yep you got me I'm a no one in real life but I'm not low enough to lie in a virtual community just to make myself relevant like that guy who said he spent 1.1k euro to lvl up his 105 toon and when I asked him a screenshot he couldn't show anything :D You probably know him :D Oh and he said he's gonna buy a Lindvior cutter to destroy me :D
:)
Will post the ss where you are asking for the price [my account price]
But not in here.
You know support ? :D The one that you are used to bomb everytime you fail taking aden?
That one.
As Fishing rewards were drastically nerfed, be careful as you might end up with a loss from fishing now, at least that's what ppl say.
Powerful Fish still have same NPC price(since last Fishing System Overhaul), Grand Crusade the NPC value of Elcyum(&Powder/Crystal)was doubled... and Elcyum was removed from Drop Tables... but the Exchange of Powerful Fish -> Elcyum Powder was NOT adjusted(they should have doubled, but ppl used NCwest's oversight to Double their Value of Fishing) now NCwest Trippled the Exchange so if you want to NPC for Adena sell the Powerful Fish... if you Exchange them you lose Adena(unless you sell to another player)
l2 economy went downhill like a idiot when f2p came and l2store took over the whole economy l2 isnt a player driven game for years anymore its driven by l2store believe it or not when u quit the game ull see im right..
theres not a single person who can compete with l2store hero vs his own farmed gear ull get completely blow out of the way even those who insist they can they play versus a ******ed opponent cus last time i played l2 i was just blasting away complete siege fields to point i felt sorry for these "enemies"..
that was on crappy shilen i think. only way this game is fun when u let l2store hero's fight each other and casuals fight each other.
rare pack x 1 = 50 $ x 12 months in an year = guess what?
maths says 600 u.s. *** kin g dollars but since they are 30 days packs it's far way near 700 u.s. **** in g dollars
only for rare packs aka for dandies you are spendig 700 $ only for your dandies.
For the rest the ratio is 10$=1b so
+10 PVE Heavy 65b =650 $ (650???????) it's right
+12 PVE Weap 28b= 289 $ (289?????) it's 280
30 con +5 dyes = 40kk each x 30=1.2 bill=10.2 $ (10.2 what???? 10 dolar?? ) it's right [and they aren't canadian ones]
rare pack = 50 $ x 30daysk = 600 $ (it's far way nearer to 700$ x year) (what?) it's like 670 $
jewels lvl 3 (:rolleyes:) 4.5b eachx52= 22.5b= 22.5 $ (22??????) it's 225 $
Radiant Brooch = 12000 ncoins = 150 $
Venir 14 = 2.8b = 2.8 $ (2.8b for 2,80 dolar?????) it's 20,8
Anakin = 9b = 9$ (9????) it's 90
Longing = 7b = 7$ (7????) it's 70
Ferios Cloak = at least 20b = 20 $ (20 dolars for 20b????) it's 200
Yeah sorry X'Bane I made great mistakes but I was thinking how hilarious could I have been if I was saying, like Jag, that my clan dona t ed to me 12500 u.s. dollars.
Draecke we made a big mistake pm Diego asap MS are giving away thousands of bucks for free to mitigate the mp regen bug.
5000 $ in ncoins to whoever joins MS with a lvl 1 toon +
if you pvp in jag's cp you will have
- a free +8 pvp set
- a free +12 apo weapon (?)
- free rose furniture
- free dandy furniture
- free valiant furniture
Hurry up MS giving away
Wait ... why their best toons are selling everything they've got?
why would you need to spend 600$ on a rare pack as well? said the fa g
Minimal Requirements for new Recruits:
Supports
- Level 103+
- At least +8 dark set
- Abundance lvl 1 high or more
- At least 30 day pack epics
- Anakim Talisman/7s
- At least lvl 3 or more jewels LOL
Pm Socketka when you will find a +8 dark hv for 35 or an anakim for 6 hahaha
BS
More BS
Even more BS
I'm just gonna continue to humiliate you more and more :)
Tbh the only thing you are able to humiliate is yourself cuz it has been 12 days since you are speaking with your monitor
Lmao never had an honda civic. Did you sold that too for your dandies ?
a mere apoc cutter 3sa not even a +4 one is enough which will cost roughly 5b including the 3rd sa...
So in your world, Gem R costs around 0 adena and then the Mystic Soul Crystal costs like 4.5b? Such stuff doesn't happen even in Chronos, just stop these pathetic lies.
If you can afford a pc with internet, you can afford 50 bucks a month
it also seems pretty obvious you don't know what occasional is, and 50 dollars is large amount of money? Wow, you really should of stayed in school, buddy.Well yes if you have a pc and an internet connection (PCs do not arrive with "the internet" as some sort of bundle the internet is far to vast) then you can afford 50 bucks a month as your internet provider will charge around that. You must also have power and some form of a secured area like an apartment or house to use the computer in thus more funds required. You probably need to eat while using the computer and stuff too...
It's funny you go from 50 bucks a month to 50 bucks "occasionally" in the same post one sentence after the other. It's almost as if you're more focused on insulting people then actually making a point and in the process accidentally tripped over your attempt at a point.
50 bucks converted into adena without getting ripped off (good luck) in the process is chump change. You have to spend several hundred $$$ before you're able to buy anything resembling what is considered "decent" PVE gear. If you want to PVP decently then the costs go up higher. Draeke and others have confirmed this high cost earlier in this very thread.
Still doesn't change the fact that you are incredibly factually wrong about the average income in the USA.
are you stupid?
how is 50 dollars a month not casual? There is a difference between casual and those who don't pay a single cent.
50 dollars for most people is less than half a days work.
yes, but casual in generally doesnt play every day so that means u most likely throw away ~25 dollar also cus u dont login every evening from moment ur home till u go to bed..
tho a casual in generally doesnt wanna catch up with people they just wanna have fun without spending a thing.
why do u need boss jewels if u just run around with **** u got and enjoy that?
why u need boss jewels if u know as casual ur 1 shotted in PvP anyway with or without jewels or even without armor ur still that 1 shot guy.
so what is the point exactly to pay 50 euro?
theres no point for casual to do so.
u better off buying normal AQ/baium or octa/istina rings if its for the dmg coc earrings for vamp/stun or istina old zaken or w/e and frint necklace / istina / octa for rest its far cheaper and permanent and has almost same effect PvE wise where casuals "focus" on..
then again PvE is so **** nowadays u cant work towards anything beside trying to gather money together for ur next 10k SSR u need
so even the above is hard to do.
ncsoft has just ***** this game so hard with their nerfs on everything that could possibly yield u some adena in game forcing u to either compete with top dogs to get adena off raidbosses which u cant compete with unless u buy tons of ******** with rl money first and in ncstore..
so w/e u wanna do in l2 in order to reach top ur gonna spend ur rl money and 50$ a month is not gonna bring u there unless ur already on top but before u got to top u blew alot more then 50$, unless ofcourse ur from 1 of these dead servers where u had free farm and u had ur fist deep enough ur leaders *** that he handed u all gear to few CP's while 80% of clan was undergeared but leader didnt care cus he could RMT all the top stuff for his own profit etc balabaaba
l2 is crap game since f2p came out ncsoft did pretty much everything to force u to use their store..
as for dots and comma's and other marks **** that :D.
l2 was/is a cool game still but not on ncwest neither innova.
F2p was doing ok up until they did the ncoin card deal with the destruction scrolls, after that the game state started to decline with the sudden influx of red weapons. I think the economy at that point wasn't bad(naturally a lot of gear is going to drastically lose value when you go from s84 being top to r99), whatever happened there had to have happened after I quit(around Lindvior I think). From what I've been told it was a mixture of repeated nerfs to drop rates and then the fishing thing. Judging by the ridiculous prices on some items I'm going to say that the fishing thing was the biggest factor, which I sadly wasn't around for.
They've also added alot more "p2w" items to the l2store though than I remember, I think brooches had been announced right after I quit, and I wasn't around for the +10 armor sets to be a thing nor all of these +15 cloaks and all of this other nonsense. I definitely remember when they first posted about brooches and thought I was glad to not be around for that.
iam a casual player and burn have wright i get barly drops or adena rom mobs to save up to buy things all i earn from drops / adena i spend on upkeep my char whit soulshots and scrolls (rose marph etc) to be abel to do some instances economy in ncwest sucks
Is it the NPC shop price?
Is it something you just made up?
Are you a lemming and just saw it for sale in AH for that much and as such, that's what its worth?
Or does it have something to do with supply and demand.
2. At what rate do the people who need these +10 sets acquire adena?
As burn said, the market is not in sync. Sellers and buyers are not on the same page with pricing.
As mixa said, how long would it take to earn 20b?
If the buyers can earn an ever diminishing amount of adena, trending towards "0" (don't worry its parabolic, you wont actually ever hit 0), how much can sellers charge at any given point in time? (the answer is less than previously, always)
Having 40 some odd toons is insane.
Pricing items based off of an old now outdated economic model is bad practice.
He doesn't articulate very well, but he is sort of on the mark here;
The FLOOR of the market is set by NPC price. When no one is left to buy stuff, or when adena drops are removed 100%, everything will be bought by NPCs.
Even the arbitrary price of 20b to make a +10 set is only dictated by the current cost of acquiring resources in the current economy.
You can't acquire many items through game play like before so only stimulation to economy comes from L2 store. Casual players can't run with that crowd. Nccoin price dictates a lot of this. A lot of people have lost a lot of adena because of deflation. There is no adena circulating like before. Before Casuals, rmt and L2 store goers played a part. Now it's only the players who can spend a few $ dollars. The less resources one can farm in game the less people that will be playing because their only choice could inevitably be the L2 store which probably about 50% of players can't afford to contribute. The only items selling are event items. The fishing change screwed up a lot of people also and there was no need for it imo. It was a stable way to operate for some time. One of few options also.