When every post made about high end content gets locked because the forum regulars go on about 'oh you could never have made it if you didnt bot' 'omg you must have used so many programs to do it' 'noone cares what you botters accomplished' 'no legit person could ever be that high level and do those bosses' its pretty bad.
When I asked alyra why ncsoft stopped congratulating people on doing bosses and having interviews and community spotlight things, she said it was because of all the controversy on the forums. So yes, I think that the general crappy, jealous, lowbie attitude by the people on these forums who just whine and point fingers on no grounds at all are to blame for limiting the community involvement by the staff to dumb cat jokes and smiley faces on the forums.
"How have people come to the conclusion that all those of a certain level/gear/etc are illegitimate?
"Hey you got level 82, fully elemented s-80 gear, Full Boss set, 20 skills to +20, (fill in the blank) you obviously cheat!""
i would never suggest that u cant be 85 legit, however i have found that many ppl that get there fastest might well be "legit" by there definitions but have used oop buff support that isnt or clanned/xpd with ppl that arent, both of which are to there benefit, its all about where ur lines are drawn and really this shouldnt be a dilema for us players and wouldnt be if rules where standard and enforced, this thread shouldnt exist and wouldnt if ncsoft enforced there own rules.
When I asked alyra why ncsoft stopped congratulating people on doing bosses and having interviews and community spotlight things, she said it was because of all the controversy on the forums. So yes, I think that the general crappy, jealous, lowbie attitude by the people on these forums who just whine and point fingers on no grounds at all are to blame for limiting the community involvement by the staff to dumb cat jokes and smiley faces on the forums.
When those players that accuse others in being "carebears" and "roleplayers" don't hide their level, it's almost always higher than those 78-79 most Koreans had in ct2.3.
And I don't think there's anything other than those accusations that actually "dictate carebear and/or roleplayer". We have seen (both ingame and here on forums) people going from "carebear" to "top dog" just by joining the right clan and then back to "carebear" by leaving it. People are able to adapt to the situation, they aren't going to fight when it's unfeasible and they have other things to do.
It looks like you are saying Koreans are carebears because of their levels, and if this is the case, then you are saying anyone of a certain level or less is a carebear. How does level make one a carebear? My clan does not look for trouble, but we will not back down from it. Clans that try to buy their way out of trouble, instead of fighting it out, are carebear clans (for example). You can be in S-80 and be carebear, you can be in b-grade and be hardcore.
The level does affect the ability of people to win in nolimit competitions. Why would I ever state otherwise?
Because it is wrong. It affects your chance, but it is still possible to win against someone higher than you are. Possibility vs probability. Something may be possible, however improbable. I suppose you could argue this is semantics, I could give that to you but I won't.
No, not "if they say so then that is so". But by default, unless proven to be false, if the vast majority of the players belong to "carebears" on the forums, the majority of the players belong to "carebears" ingame.
No one voted the forumites into office and therefore they do not speak for anyone but themselves. There are thousands of players that do not come to these boards.
i think that NC should reform ban process. and remove perma bans. there is some thoughts
do you remember interlude ? how was lagging server? how many was online on it ? how you need to fight for u spot at low lvl ? yeah fight with bots but it was fun even on 20+ and know.. all spots are empty if you wanna fight u solo exp on solo locs where almost every time is space.. and then join pvp clan and have fun on sieges and tw ... daily pvp almost gone.. party game? where iop,cod .. etc?
so i think NC should give warning ban on 1-3 days becouse player can repent and stop use 3d soft.. or NC just misses again and ban legit (:
i think they need gives more attention on another harmful soft ;) it ruins holy part of L2 - pvp !!!!
i think that NC should reform ban process. and remove perma bans. there is some thoughts
do you remember interlude ? how was lagging server? how many was online on it ? how you need to fight for u spot at low lvl ? yeah fight with bots but it was fun even on 20+ and know.. all spots are empty if you wanna fight u solo exp on solo locs where almost every time is space.. and then join pvp clan and have fun on sieges and tw ... daily pvp almost gone.. party game? where iop,cod .. etc?
so i think NC should give warning ban on 1-3 days becouse player can repent and stop use 3d soft.. or NC just misses again and ban legit (:
i think they need gives more attention on another harmful soft ;) it ruins holy part of L2 - pvp !!!!
I do not agree with a warning ban for 1-3 days. Those who are botting are breaking the EULA and should be gone forever.
I agree that players that are banned without reason is not good. The reason i'm told that it takes so long to ban players is that the GM's are missing tools to detect the cheats. Give GM these tools and we would have faster and more precise bannings i hope.
I think they actually did give the GM the tools too ban people. Only the GM dont know how too use them and mass banned so many people without a reason. And when those people start asking about it. No one from NCsoft replies.
I do not agree with a warning ban for 1-3 days. Those who are botting are breaking the EULA and should be gone forever.
"Warning bans" make false positives less painful, so they allow GMs to be more aggressive in banning. Permabans should still be kept for more obvious cases, of course.
"Warning bans" make false positives less painful, so they allow GMs to be more aggressive in banning. Permabans should still be kept for more obvious cases, of course.
I'd be curious to the amount of accounts that would be reactivated if NCWest actually implemented the unbanned paid service. It might be a quick way to get a brief influx of cash.
sitting at hole ??? seems same as TD vs UPRISING ? ... short memory ??
In AE we dont use any software and u still defend XBelial ... u talking also about one fraps from Wiznick vs Doomcaster ??? Your 30 sec from fog prove nothing... he can bsoe/pr vs mobs (he is not poler right?)
U do it last 2 years at Bratz without competition and it was good for TD (real $$) ??? dont u feels like a private server ????
Didnt u merge your last enemies long time ago and fight togheter vs. 7x A/S graders insult them all time at hero chat ?
Time to stop offtopic...personally i dont wanna Bartz without TD - it will be second Sayha :(
was just browsing through this thread again and came across this.
I'm playing on 3 servers atm and I was surprised to find that Sayha is more fun than Bartz now. I played on Bartz for a year, and in the beginning it was really fun, but after D7 left TD just killed the server. So whenever you hear their members crying about how nobody pvp's and it is a carebear server, just remember that every other server is having fun(maybe not Aria, haven't played on it but I heard it was terrible lol).
TD just didn't know how to keep the competition competitive, and now they have to deal with it.
Shelshock.... Things changed - Ambereye/FTA/*** aka VESTIGE ally keeps fun... u make my day "after D7 left TD just killed the server".... D7 wanna keep competition so why u move to carebear server ??? ha ha.... trust me - Bartz is very different now
What is better on Sayha ?? U can get heroes and zerg enemies ? :>
Yesterday a clan member was permanently banned. He never used any program or game feature that is violating EULA. So maybe NCSoft want to make this game not possible to play .... it's ok for me ... there are so many other games like it. That's the reason a lot of ppl will leave lineage ... if you going to ban people at least made a game char 70-80 lvl and try finding a spot to exp ... you will see the real botters. Atleast 10 ppl petitioned about the problem and the answer was automatic. (Even we get an answer that there isn't any kind of phone support from a ingame petition). I don't want to pay for and play a game where Everything i achieved can deleted without any reason. More than half of my clan doesn't too. So good luck NC Soft !:mad:
Yesterday a clan member was permanently banned. He never used any program or game feature that is violating EULA. So maybe NCSoft want to make this game not possible to play .... it's ok for me ... there are so many other games like it. That's the reason a lot of ppl will leave lineage ... if you going to ban people at least made a game char 70-80 lvl and try finding a spot to exp ... you will see the real botters. Atleast 10 ppl petitioned about the problem and the answer was automatic. (Even we get an answer that there isn't any kind of phone support from a ingame petition). I don't want to pay for and play a game where Everything i achieved can deleted without any reason. More than half of my clan doesn't too. So good luck NC Soft !:mad:
This is when I miss Spam, because he would come to the forum and say things like "ok.. the account was banned and here is why... I guess your friend lied to you".
Well I only left the server about a month ago, so I doubt alot has changed since then.
And it's probably easier to take heroes on Bartz than on Sayha. I've killed some of TD's enforcers in open before, but on Sayha the only ppl that sign open are about 7 S80 ST's with epics, a few soulhounds, and a couple PK's. It's really ******ed. And on top of that there are no random A/S graders that go in to do there 9 matches, everyone is in S80.
p.s: I really hope Sayha and Bartz merge, then Nova transfers back over. Epic server imo
Well I only left the server about a month ago, so I doubt alot has changed since then.
And it's probably easier to take heroes on Bartz than on Sayha. I've killed some of TD's enforcers in open before, but on Sayha the only ppl that sign open are about 7 S80 ST's with epics, a few soulhounds, and a couple PK's. It's really ******ed. And on top of that there are no random A/S graders that go in to do there 9 matches, everyone is in S80.
p.s: I really hope Sayha and Bartz merge, then Nova transfers back over. Epic server imo
I feel 100% confident that no-one in my clan bots or uses any third party software, there are only a few of us and we are a very close group, some of which I know in real life. We all know our clan very well and play together everyday.
A concern has recently been raised that as we expand and meet others to go out and do raids, parties, sieges etc that we don't know these people.
If we for example put together an AOE party, or Raid party and invite an outsider into our group, tagged with our clan or not, and that person, if we are aware of it or not is using a third-party program, (which we wouldn't be able to know) are we commiting a bannable offence by simply inviting this person? Can I be held accountable and risk my account for something I have no control over?
I would like to believe that NCSoft is reasonable in their action and in no case would ban a totally legitimate player that was not running third-party software. Because I believe that all of these people that in the past told me they were banned for no reason at all were probably not telling the whole truth to save face with their friends, and didn't want to admit that they were actually commiting bannable offences.
How many proofs or needs to se whos using it or not?
This is a no sense topic, you like the game as it is you only can choose one thing or you play without , or you join the 80% of the rest, there is nothing they will do unless the game will be closed to be shutted off.
Players using hide hacks, anti backstab hacks, targetting player lag, radar **** witch give you orders to select priority classes, programs showing even the ammounts of element and what kind you have, and the list can go on and on.
The problem is the lack of actions from players and the lack of actions from a solid bae laws that force the companies to enforce the stablishment you compromise with.
We all pay under certain rules, the company dont enforce those rules at all, so why EVERYONE is away of being refunded, or would follow any of those rules?
Sadly is the truth about NC and seems like the new game everyone is waiting will be launched without encripted packages once again!
That will be the new LII Fail and Aion Fail, just hope someone put the eyes on this problems and launch something able to replace Lineage with full enforced rules.
I think it was Sace that said was playing Age of Conan for example, maybe she can answer what was the estimated time on a mid and top level petition, and how it was handled to any player founded cheating using any ****, i have two screenshots of GM's with my clan there, and we have assisted a player being banned 10 minutes imediatly after being catch.
Was just bad the missing content, and my friends still stayed on LII or i would be away since then, actually i play for them and not for the game as i use to, i love this game and still beat a lot of many produced we keep seen being released.
But the lack of support as killed a lot of the best players that have been here for years, now all the we see is the OMG amizing pvp wise guys actiling like they are soo good, but actually 70% of them dont even know how to play the toon without a lot of to the the job for them.
If Nc would want any player using those tools would be clean in less then one month and i mean for all servers.
Its the choice they took that kill the game, is not only players fault as listed in the hour announcements, actually doing a cold look its more 90% NC fault, the players only take advantage of the lack of actions, others just end up losing the faith cause theres nothing to have faith with.
I just hope EA or Blizzard create anything as it should be to fill up with something new since it seems theres some sort of problem in asian companies to protect their games.
They always had the tools and resources to ban people. They simply choose not to over revenue. You know so they can keep turning out games like Tabula Rasa and there failure at a WOW redux Aion.
Now they expect you to set right next you clannies and watch them load there computer up and make sure they aren't using any of these revenue generating proggies. Yeah right!!! QFT NC pack of morons
Yesterday a clan member was permanently banned. He never used any program or game feature that is violating EULA. So maybe NCSoft want to make this game not possible to play .... it's ok for me ... there are so many other games like it. That's the reason a lot of ppl will leave lineage ... if you going to ban people at least made a game char 70-80 lvl and try finding a spot to exp ... you will see the real botters. Atleast 10 ppl petitioned about the problem and the answer was automatic. (Even we get an answer that there isn't any kind of phone support from a ingame petition). I don't want to pay for and play a game where Everything i achieved can deleted without any reason. More than half of my clan doesn't too. So good luck NC Soft !:mad:
You mean you don't want to play where you and your friends can't cheat and get away with it without a penalty. Thats what you really mean ...
That reason is exaclty why i decided never to enter a big clan
when in the past i seen the entire clan of onbey get banned
it got me so freaked out that i would never ever ever join a
big clan again, ok i do miss out on some stuff
but its like this, u have no big clan at all whitout bots
so i won't risk joining one justto get banned along WITH them.
u can't always tell if a person is using a third party program
what if they use a targetting program or a spam program
or whatever it is they can use.
so until that's fixed , i'm so not gonna join anny big clan at all
this is a LOL post gms telling us to self police ..... those of us that cared have done for a number of years, if ncsoft had done the same this would be a different game = dont try to intimidate me as a clean player that wasted idk how much xp because i killed bots n had to spend time on sineaters - if i had ever once seen evidence that u act on bots id take u seriously, but i havent - its ur problem u deal with it :-P
this is a LOL post gms telling us to self police ..... those of us that cared have done for a number of years, if ncsoft had done the same this would be a different game = dont try to intimidate me as a clean player that wasted idk how much xp because i killed bots n had to spend time on sineaters - if i had ever once seen evidence that u act on bots id take u seriously, but i havent - its ur problem u deal with it :-P
That is because the reason why they do not ban bots is because, if you have enough accounts that pay them money (we are not talking about the hacked accounts) you only get a small percent of your toons attached to your account banned. This has been sadly proven over and over again.
You mean you don't want to play where you and your friends can't cheat and get away with it without a penalty. Thats what you really mean ...
reality is some day all of our chars will be deleted. Since NC reserves the right to delete any chars at any time for any reason, seems to me that some day I wont be able to log in. even if i wasnt banned.
makes me wonder if being banned is really such a bad punishment
This is a friendly reminder that the use of third-party programs is unacceptable in Lineage II. Some of you may have heard of situations where seemingly half a clan has been removed from the game. Please remember that if you share a clan with someone that uses third-party programs (aka 'botting'), it's possible that your whole clan will be examined, including yourself. We are doing our best to clean out these sinners and give honest players the advantage.
Time to enforce this again...some of the clans has started up their botting activity and nearly all of the clans that you cleaned botted up new ones out of the clan and invite them when they are done botting.
Some de-tag, bot and then gets tagged again.
I can't name you a single char in the top clans that I haven't seen afk for days at some locations and I can't name a single clan that doesn't have 1 or more members that has botted in the past.
reality is some day all of our chars will be deleted. Since NC reserves the right to delete any chars at any time for any reason, seems to me that some day I wont be able to log in. even if i wasnt banned.
makes me wonder if being banned is really such a bad punishment
yes i find this quite frustrating i cant think of any other thing where im the paying customer yet have no rights ><