Could you announce this kind of thing BEFOREHAND next time??? I was planning on transfering next week, almost transfered this week :/
Thanks a lot - I'm quite upset now...
one second..
ok.... now that i've had a second to think..
Would you not be GLAD that you didn't server transfer just in case the server you were going to transfer too ended up being the one you merged with... saving you some $$?
Would you not be GLAD that you didn't server transfer just in case the server you were going to transfer too ended up being the one you merged with... saving you some $$?
no? :< I had plans for pre-merge... and I don't wanna be stuck on my ****** server for another x-amount of time...
Does "shortly" mean the announcement is coming within next 1 or 2 days or on NC time which means not until 2030 but we thinking about ... details at 11?
Does "shortly" mean the announcement is coming within next 1 or 2 days or on NC time which means not until 2030 but we thinking about ... details at 11?
Id like to know this too. If server merges are coming, olympiad points and heroes will be reset, so it would be pointless to farm this month for the upcoming one, and considering the new month just started, id say its important to release the info about merges asap.
We understand that the soonest we can give you the date and merge plan, the better for everyone. We will post it as soon as we get confirmation. Please stay patient; we are working hard to give you as much information as soon as possible.
You never know... granted I don't think they will, but...
Also, just putting this out there.. possible date for merge - Oct 5th - reason that is the first Tuesday of the month which would allow people to farm Oly in Sept and still have a few days to get the points.
Brief clarification: users can still purchase server transfer codes until September 8, but as of today it is no longer possible to apply the code.
I am reading all of your questions and I am answering those that I have confirmed answers for. If I haven't answered a particular question yet, it is because those details are still being verified.
I have been playing Lineage2 from the very first NA Beta and I never saw any clan being erased/resetted, even tho not that many merges was done before ;). What probably will be resetted is all Hero status and ofc Clan halls/castles/fortresses/7-Sign progress and wars.
* All alliances will be disbanded.
* Clan information and organization, such as Clan Warehouse, Reputation Points, Clan Skills, clan level, clan leadership and ranks, etc. will be transferred.
* The in-game clan community board and clan crest will be reset.
* All clan wars will be ended.
Clan Name Conflict Rules *Updated*
* If clans from the servers being merged share the same clan name, a number will be attached to each clan name. The clan name may be changed at the High Priest/Priestess in any village. The clan name change request will be applied during the following week's regular maintenance (on Tuesdays). Please note that once the clan name change request is complete, it cannot be revised or changed.
Brief clarification: users can still purchase server transfer codes until September 8, but as of today it is no longer possible to apply the code.
I am reading all of your questions and I am answering those that I have confirmed answers for. If I haven't answered a particular question yet, it is because those details are still being verified.
Will transfers be available before merge ? or we need to wait till after the server merges, to be able to use the transfer codes ?
sadly they didn't listen... or learn from previous merges.
I see this as tactical move before changing business model for l2. Ofc it's a pure speculations but here what I think is happening:
They realize that once model has been changed players will not be willing to join servers that are already in 8x level range. So having many servers where players are not willing to play isn't any good.
However if we combine current servers to 1, 2 or 3. We will make old players continue enjoying their 8x server experience. Where the <78 players will most likely take their shot with new server experience. I think they will choose 2 for NA 1 for EU or 2 NA 2 EU.
What makes me think that they are changing business model:
L2 NA producer already said that they big changes coming to l2 this year. 1stly it was SPAM who mentioned big changes, later our new producer(sry don't remember the name). Furthermore those big changes wasn't server merges so there isnt anything much that could stand as ''big thing'' besides changes to business model.
Anyway it's a pure speculation but I think it has some standing ground.
Will transfers be available before merge ? or we need to wait till after the server merges, to be able to use the transfer codes ?
U just quoted the answer youself didnt you? No transfer will be available from now on till after the merge. You can still purchase a ticket but not use it yet.
Yeah? And what was it that you found so bad? That the ally was reset? Or the clan crest?? How hard is it to restore that?half the players quitting after a few months after the merge?
back to population as before the merge but with less servers?
This is the thread that announced and detailed the process the original server mergers 2 years ago, including all the discussion leading up to the mergers http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=189369
Now obviously wait till they announce the details for the new round of mergers, but chances are they won't deviate much from what they did last time.
Thank You!! and for the slow pokes below is where it's all about or should be.
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Account Services
In order to facilitate the smoothest possible merge, all account services will be turned off one week prior to the merge. We are also turning off all transfers to the affected servers on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 (after the regular weekly maintenance).
Characters
Characters will transfer over with all of their individual belongings, including all items and Adena in their private warehouse, inventory, and equipment slots. Individual character status and info, such as quest info and karma, will also transfer over intact with the exceptions of hero status and Olympiad points, which will be reset.
Dormant Character Deletion
In order to minimize duplicate character names, all characters that are level 10 or lower and have not logged in for more than one year will be deleted.
To prevent the character deletion, that character simply needs to be logged in once prior to the server merge.
Character Name Conflict Rules
Details to be posted soon
Character Slots
If you have more than a total of seven characters between two servers that are being merged, the seven characters that have the most EXP will be kept-the rest will be deleted.
If you have more than a total of seven characters between two servers that are being merged, and their EXP is the same, the older character(s) will be deleted.
Miscellaneous
All characters will be moved to the nearest town.
Character creation will be turned off on the merged server for one week after the merge.
All unique colored names from Battle Tournament will be reset.
Clans & Alliances
All alliances will be disbanded.
Clan information and organization, such as Clan Warehouse, Reputation Points, Clan Skills, clan level, clan leadership and ranks, etc. will be transferred.
The in-game clan community board and clan crest will be reset.
All clan wars will be ended.
Clan Name Conflict Rules
Details to be posted soon
Castles, Manor, & Clan Halls
All castles, manors, and clan halls will be reset.
All clans that own a castle/siegeable clan hall prior to the merge will be reimbursed with clan reputation points.
Castle Warehouse will be initialized and all items will be deleted.
All clans that own an auctionable clan hall will be reimbursed with Adena (winning bid amount) two weeks prior to the merge. The reimbursed Adena will appear in the Clan Warehouse. Clans who purchase an auctionable clan hall after the two weeks prior to the merge will not be reimbursed.
The manor system and all items associated with it, such as seeds, will be reset.
All fortresses will be reset.
The first castle siege time for a merged server is to be determined.
Olympiad
Olympiad points will be reset.
Hero status and associated hero weapons will be reset.
Miscellaneous
Cursed weapons, Seven Signs Quest, and the in-game community board will be reset.
Seal Stones and Ancient Adena will be transferred and deposited Seal Stones will be returned to your characters. Seal Stones that were contributed to the priest of each cabal will be converted into Ancient Adena and placed in your private warehouse prior to the server merge.
The Hellbound stage unlocked will be set to the highest stage reached between the two servers being merged.
Auction sales rewards will be deleted if you do not collect them prior to the merge.
U just quoted the answer youself didnt you? No transfer will be available from now on till after the merge. You can still purchase a ticket but not use it yet.
so u buy a useless code that u will not be able to use after merge?
for ex:if i want to transfer from Luna to Teon now and i will buy a code and all Euro servers will merge into 1, what i will do with that code?
Yeah? And what was it that you found so bad? That the ally was reset? Or the clan crest?? How hard is it to restore that?
If you ask me, I don't panic and I see nothing bad for the clan in this server merge :)
It's other people who are scared to lose clan. In my clan some people said "clan will be deleted, no way I'm giving my fame to the clan now", so I had to find this link and prove them that clan will remain as it is.
Draecke
nice that you copied it here (though I posted it on previous page as quote and link), can you please make it readable? Add bold, colored text on main points like it is in original message, otherwise people will just skip this wall of text and keep asking over and over same questions. :)
(tip: you can quote original message and copy formated text out of it).
In preparation for upcoming server merges, the Server Transfer paid service will be unavailable beginning September 1, 2010, until further notice.
We will be providing detailed information regarding the server merges shortly.
I believe, NC soft understand game server's life cycle is.
New server start -> new players -> competition period -> end-game -> players leaving/transfering no more new players -> dead server.
So If there will be only 1 EU (or NA) server that will kill lineage 2 for sure. There always have to be 2nd server, better a new one, to bring "new blood" to dying one and to provide new players transfers...
If you ask me, I don't panic and I see nothing bad for the clan in this server merge :)
It's other people who are scared to lose clan. In my clan some people said "clan will be deleted, no way I'm giving my fame to the clan now", so I had to find this link and prove them that clan will remain as it is.
Just show them the quote you made. It clearly say that all clan-related stuff will be transfered "as-is".
stop being so pessimistic Nuku lol, who knows they might actually be able to have a proper GM support once this is done..Yes.., who knows...
You can notice i'm still butthurt from last merges :p
I too was all for the merges, until a few weeks after it, i'm only guessing that certain ppl who want to merge now will regret it too ;)
We understand that the soonest we can give you the date and merge plan, the better for everyone. We will post it as soon as we get confirmation. Please stay patient; we are working hard to give you as much information as soon as possible.
Poor Sace, now need to stand all the stupid questions that are comming lol
Anyone can inform how long took last time from announce of the merge and the merge?
stop being so pessimistic Nuku lol, who knows they might actually be able to have a proper GM support once this is done..
Have you noticed any change in GM support?
This is the thread that announced and detailed the process the original server mergers 2 years ago, including all the discussion leading up to the mergers http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=189369
I wonder how many people from that thread are still with us.
Could you announce this kind of thing BEFOREHAND next time??? I was planning on transfering next week, almost transfered this week :/
Thanks a lot - I'm quite upset now...
Server merges were imminent and have been talked about officially for a few months now. Why would u spend the money to xfer at this time?
Unless you were planning on going from eu to na or vise versa, it would make more sense to hold on to your cash until these merges were completed. I would hate to spent money only to find out I merge with the server I left. :D
most of the ppl I used to play with are still here or got banned, only a handful quit and not related to merger..
GM's should have it easier to control/monitor 2 servers versus what we have now
GMs are busy watching tv and hitting the auto response button...
2 servers or 20 it will be the same, GMs w/ no in game knowledge not doing anything and then NC staff on boards trying to tell you your crazy when you call them on it.
Yes.., who knows...
You can notice i'm still butthurt from last merges :p
I too was all for the merges, until a few weeks after it, i'm only guessing that certain ppl who want to merge now will regret it too ;)
sorry i made you scared, but that truly happened ;)
nice selfpic btw, good camera ^^
I will cancel my 2 accounts and see how it goes after a month or more.
It really sucks if we are going to loose the CH just because some "top" botted up clan wants to buy a CH for all their inactive alt clans on the new server just because they think it's cool.
Oh and please, if a clan leader is banned then auto kick that clan out of the CH and put it up for auction...
I will cancel my 2 accounts and see how it goes after a month or more.
It really sucks if we are going to loose the CH just because some "top" botted up clan wants to buy a CH for all their inactive alt clans on the new server just because they think it's cool.
Oh and please, if a clan leader is banned then auto kick that clan out of the CH and put it up for auction...
Funny how they censor blah considering the previous HeadGM was the one that said it ingame.
What exactly is the reason for this forthcoming merger ?
Too few players on some servers so they become uneconomic to operate ?
Why are there too few players ?
Lack of marketing over the past years has meant practically no one has ever heard of the game. Simply relying on word of mouth and weak referral schemes isn't good enough.
Newer titles launched with better publicity dragging paying players away.
Almost a total inability(unwillingness) to remove bots/farmers from the game which itself drove more paying customers away. (I know bot accounts are paid too.)
Poor balance of content with a recent push towards high level, so called "end game" content and making lower level areas almost irelevant. These areas being where the addiction is created.
These reasons and more, lead to fewer paying customers and therefore less revenue.
So the downward spiral continues.
Other methods of income are required and this will possibly lead to the end of monthly subscriptions and a free to play game. We'll then be buying ingame items for real money such as Exp and SP bonus scrolls, dungeon entry tokens, clan halls etc.
Overall, we'll have far less players (the addicted core) on just 2 or 3 servers and our actual outlay will probably be more per year than we're paying now.
I'm totally disappointed at reading about the server mergers because I see it as another nail in L2's coffin.
With all my chars with similar names across all the servers on three accounts, god knows how I'll be able to sort the mess out.
Brief clarification: users can still purchase server transfer codes until September 8, but as of today it is no longer possible to apply the code.
I am reading all of your questions and I am answering those that I have confirmed answers for. If I haven't answered a particular question yet, it is because those details are still being verified.
What exactly is the reason for this forthcoming merger ?
Too few players on some servers so they become uneconomic to operate ?
Why are there too few players ?
Lack of marketing over the past years has meant practically no one has ever heard of the game. Simply relying on word of mouth and weak referral schemes isn't good enough.
Newer titles launched with better publicity dragging paying players away.
Almost a total inability(unwillingness) to remove bots/farmers from the game which itself drove more paying customers away. (I know bot accounts are paid too.)
Poor balance of content with a recent push towards high level, so called "end game" content and making lower level areas almost irelevant. These areas being where the addiction is created.
These reasons and more, lead to fewer paying customers and therefore less revenue.
So the downward spiral continues.
Other methods of income are required and this will possibly lead to the end of monthly subscriptions and a free to play game. We'll then be buying ingame items for real money such as Exp and SP bonus scrolls, dungeon entry tokens, clan halls etc.
Overall, we'll have far less players (the addicted core) on just 2 or 3 servers and our actual outlay will probably be more per year than we're paying now.
I'm totally disappointed at reading about the server mergers because I see it as another nail in L2's coffin.
With all my chars with similar names across all the servers on three accounts, god knows how I'll be able to sort the mess out.
Nice one NCSoft !
Meh ... don't think it has anything to with marketing but the fact that they finally tried to do something about the botting and RMT after 6 years and wonder why most everyone went poof afterwards. Just my guess though...:eek:
For anyone that has questions as to why we have decided to merge the servers, I am /pointing you to the stickied thread in General Discussion: Server Merges Coming to Lineage II (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=209182).
For anyone that has questions as to why we have decided to merge the servers, I am /pointing you to the stickied thread in General Discussion: Server Merges Coming to Lineage II (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=209182).
Are those that have purchased a server transfer going to be refunded the amount they paid considering the environment with regards to why they were wanting to transfer in the first place may be changing. Or does the support team have a copy and paste response for that too where they are able to ignore this critical customer service opportunity?
sry sace but weve all heard the company kissup pshycobabble b4 lolol
we dont beleive it for 1 sec and never will lolol
so just let the rumor mill keep grinding away....
my personal conspiracy theory is that we are bein merged cuz the hamsters had a revolution and only the 2 manager guinea pigs left are running the wheels.....
sry sace but weve all heard the company kissup pshycobabble b4 lolol
we dont beleive it for 1 sec and never will lolol
so just let the rumor mill keep grinding away....
my personal conspiracy theory is that we are bein merged cuz the hamsters had a revolution and only the 2 manager guinea pigs left are running the wheels.....
We need to be positive during this time of hardship and provide Sace with positive comments that help her relay our frustration in a positive and constructive manner. She is our voice to her the incompetence that permeates above her.
lolol um i live in canada.... definition of a canadian? one who doesnt complain bout nething... not even when someone mows us down and takes us over lololol
im not pessimistic lol i dont care whether we merge or dont. It dont care whether i get pked or not. I dont care whether sace blows sunshine kisses at us or not......
im just saying its funny that they think we dont understand company politics lolol this coming from a company that hasnt updated NA content on the NA website in bout what 2-3 yrs? .... and u expect positive experiences outta that? lolol and ppl say im delusional.....
im just calling a spade a spade.
Personally? id pay $1500/ month just to be on my own server lololololol
I will cancel my 2 accounts and see how it goes after a month or more.
It really sucks if we are going to loose the CH just because some "top" botted up clan wants to buy a CH for all their inactive alt clans on the new server just because they think it's cool.
Oh and please, if a clan leader is banned then auto kick that clan out of the CH and put it up for auction...
For anyone that has questions as to why we have decided to merge the servers, I am /pointing you to the stickied thread in General Discussion: Server Merges Coming to Lineage II (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=209182).
It's locked :rolleyes:
For anyone that has questions as to why we have decided to merge the servers, I am /pointing you to the stickied thread in General Discussion: Server Merges Coming to Lineage II (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=209182).
As has been said, its a locked thread.
Instead of merging servers, have some creative thinking on new players and the servers open to them.
Have a period of free trials on one specific server. All other servers would be closed to new accounts during this period. All free trials and normal new signings would be directed to this server.
The free trial could be a free month to all new accounts and would need some active bot policing to remove them, atleast during the trial.
A period of Google ads would be a cheap method to promote the trial and would bring in many new players.
This could then be applied to another server and continue as needed.
Mergers are not the answer to maintaining L2's existence.
That thread was locked because it was made to collect opinions about server merges around the time of that announcement, and that time has passed. The decision to merge the servers is final. However some of your ideas could apply to suggestions for the future of the game after the server merges. You can start a new thread about your ideas in the Suggestion forum.
That thread was locked because it was made to collect opinions about server merges around the time of that announcement, and that time has passed. The decision to merge the servers is final. However some of your ideas could apply to suggestions for the future of the game after the server merges. You can start a new thread about your ideas in the Suggestion forum.
Can we have ladies night before server merges please?
Curious to see what gonna happen if Phoenix and Aria merge altogether. Botted clans fighting at full anger. What clan will Nova recruit this time? Sounds like EO eh? Nova+ElOlimpo vs YeahRight+RDogs and/or Bregan? Place your bets :D.
Curious to see what gonna happen if Phoenix and Aria merge altogether. Botted clans fighting at full anger. What clan will Nova recruit this time? Sounds like EO eh? Nova+ElOlimpo vs YeahRight+RDogs and/or Bregan? Place your bets :D.
Doubt it...nova has always done there way. And I'm sure it will continue...Long Live Phoenix! rofl
About server merges i actually think they will be healthy for the overall comunity, what i mostly see is people complaining because the merges will bring up an end to their clan/alliance domination over a certain server.
Lineage 2 was allaways about competition (offcourse it's impossible to a real player to compete with the... "auto" players, but let's put that aside). And that competition gone on the last years once the servers go more and more empty during the reasons we all know very well.
I hope they will also bring some huge changes after those merges, like a more hard policy over the problems we know and who knows what else. But Lineage 2 still has some good chances, i still fail to see that many better games then this one even it having more then 5 years on the market.
Let's hope the merges work to bring some life back to the game.
what i mostly see is people complaining because the merges will bring up an end to their clan/alliance domination over a certain server.
What you dont see is that this merger is bad for all, even for those that think it is good. I mean if it will be done like the rumour goes, 2 servers, one NA one EU.
I am legit and run a fully legit clan. What will the merger of all eu servers will bring to us ? No free forts, no places to exp, pk all over, we will have instances and that is about it. At least it wont last long, last merger proved in a couple of months of hard quitting there will be the same situation like before, so who will win ? The top bots that actually know to play in the short term. The losers will quit and they will suddenly see there are no more enemies and will pass their time PK-ing the few legits that had patience to wait for the exp place to clear for the trains of the losing bots. Because if the bots will be halved in 1-2 months, legits will also be halved for total different reasons.
The game reached a point of balance where there is place for legits too so they dont have to look for better companies that police their servers. I admit that this is a bit too low, we could do with more players in Franz, but doubling the numbers will already be a bit too much. Anything more than adding Luna players will be a lose-lose situation for everybody (half bots and half legits will quit fast, the rest of the bots will bore to death "looking for enemy" same as now, NC will lose half the customers in very short term.
I do agree with a merger, but 3 k ppl at any time is overkill as long as the bots are still in the game and legits have the same null chances to compete with them.
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What you dont see is that this merger is bad for all, even for those that think it is good. I mean if it will be done like the rumour goes, 2 servers, one NA one EU.
I am legit and run a fully legit clan. What will the merger of all eu servers will bring to us ? No free forts, no places to exp, pk all over, we will have instances and that is about it.
I don't see the point between being legit and being competitive. You could be legit and competitive. May be it'll be harder to find a spot yes. So you will change your xp set up, and you can't know if it'll be good or bad. What is the problem of fighting for a spot ?
I don't see the point between being legit and being competitive. You could be legit and competitive. May be it'll be harder to find a spot yes. So you will change your xp set up, and you can't know if it'll be good or bad. What is the problem of fighting for a spot ?
Carebearism? :P
cuz for most of us we fight for our spots in real life... u rly think we wanna come home after a hard days work(or in my case night's lol) and have to fight to play a stupid game? lol
no thx.....
id just rather log in kill some mobs and go to sleep......
cuz for most of us we fight for our spots in real life... u rly think we wanna come home after a hard days work(or in my case night's lol) and have to fight to play a stupid game? lol
no thx.....
id just rather log in kill some mobs and go to sleep......
I don't see the point between being legit and being competitive. You could be legit and competitive. May be it'll be harder to find a spot yes. So you will change your xp set up, and you can't know if it'll be good or bad. What is the problem of fighting for a spot ?
The biggest problems with the unlegit crew is that they do it for a reason, to be on top and to harass those below them. That guy is right, the influx of players will increase harassment of legit players, they'll quit. Although I think by now the legit players have pretty thick skin.
But I don't think NCsoft would be merging again if they lost significant subscriptions the first time around as a result of the mergers. Unless there are so few players it isn't worth running the handful of servers we are already reduced to.
I don't see the point between being legit and being competitive. You could be legit and competitive. May be it'll be harder to find a spot yes. So you will change your xp set up, and you can't know if it'll be good or bad. What is the problem of fighting for a spot ?
I guess I'd also like to know why is there a problem fighting for an xp spot? Put aside the pvp for the scheduled things in the game for a moment and you're then left missing an incredibly dynamic of the game...general pvp. Is everyone afraid to go red? Are people afraid to defend where they're hunting or trying to force their way into a spot?
I kind of miss hunting somewhere and all of a sudden the party having to defend themselves against other players...putting the call out to everyone else in clan and then trying to hunt down who just killed you (if you lost) or protecting your clanmates who went red during the fight.
The whole unknown aspect to general pvp is far more interesting than the scheduled pvp - it's fun and all, but there's a specific purpose to castle sieges, oly, etc.
Upheaval can be good, it can be fun, but too many people are complacent with where they are and what they're doing. OMG! It's the end of the world if we don't have a clan hall. OMG! My favorite hunting place is taken. If you want all sunshine and rainbows then this game isn't for you. Altho, you can see a kind of rainbow if you look at some of the waterfalls when the sun hits it right.
And the whole bot thing...I mean, really? When servers merge there will obviously be a lot more people per server...why don't we just declare war on bots? Kill 'em! Kill 'em again! Kill 'em again! Why make what they do easy? Interrupt their progress again, again and again. Have some fun at their expense for Lineage's sake.
Oh wait, I forgot, that means having to go red and that's a no no and OMG I'd have to do the sin eater quest.
Ever since learning about the server mergers, I've been leveling up a toon for the sole purpose of going red - inject a little grief and fun for all. Now that we have common items and how inexpensive they are, who cares if you drop something? Get another one!
Embrace server mergers and inject a form of competition we've been missing for too long.
um id like to ask u a question. What if pvping is NOT fun for u? but u want a game that will go on for years and take u years to get anything acomplished?
u see ur still narrow minded. UR missinga dynamic of the game. The dynamic of being able to choose. I choose not to pvp. ppl choose to go red and pk my a grade soulshots. Im ok with that. But why do i have to pvp? cant i just accept the death come back, get rolled agin, and again, and again till they get bored and move on? lol as il always said i have 28 chars that need dlving and pet brezzes are cheapz lololol
i am having fun just grinding. Im also colourblind. so i already miss "good parts " of he game. Kinda tough to pvp when u cant see the chars very well now isnt it? lolololol
Steep server mergers will move us one step forward to the game finally dying, we are not in a position where you can just piss off whatever players are left so they quit. People have invested billions of adena (legit or not) in buying clan halls for example, once those are reset and your clan (who's every member chipped in a few millions to get that new CH) is left with nothing because someone beat them over to them, what do you think it will happen?.
Just look at the last merge, the population boost was very limited and then the decline accelerated. Instead of server mergers, has anyone thought of oppening up new options for the players?
-> What about doing a limited merge? not as deep as going to just 1 server for NA and 1 for EU don't aim to a 3k population aim for a 2k one.
-> What about once that limited merge is done, you add the rumoured micro-transaction system to give players a 3x or even a 6x experience for a fee?, sell vita pops for NC-coin or w/e system they have in mind but don't sell them at Usd 50 per vita pop, that's a rip off.
-> What about launching a relaxed server, specifically aimed to pull people away from private servers?. Where you have a 5-6x xp rate, micro-transaction, etc..
-> But also invest in service: More GM's (actually invest and hire people), faster response to bot situations, why not have 1 person (I mean honestly 1 person is not too much) 24/7 banning bots on every server?, to go something like: Bot report from a player --> GM switches server --> Does bot testing --> Ban resolved all in 30 minutes or something like that?
-> Do a marketing campaign! a real one! It's funny how L2 isn't even sold in the NCSoft online store!, it's like new players must find all these barriers to been able to play a game.
-> NC did something great for newcomers with the newbie buffs and the quest sequence to get to level 20. The relaxed lvl 40 job quest was also great but a bit pricey to most of the new players. Why not do a quest secuence to get you from 20 to 40 on top?, and maybe even one to get you from 40 to 61?. In a game that is already mature like this one, you need to help the newcomers get to where they need to enjoy the experience, so helping people to hit 70+ is not a bad thing.
Honestly, there won't be a way to make everyone happy. If u add micro transaction you will have a bunch of people crying over that; if u make the servers "relaxed" or 2x Xp you will have a bunch of people crying over that too; No matter what you do people will cry.
Just go with the majority and make those people happy so the majority stays, make the game friendlier to newcomers and, invest in service and marketing so they ones that stay see an influx of new players and the game goes back up to where it should be.
No, I'm not narrow minded because I'm not strictly a pvp person. In fact, I'm rarely a pvp person. I throughly enjoy just going out and grinding without having to worry about anything. I enjoy solo play as much as getting a good party (small or big) together.
For most of my six years in this game, general pvp has never really been for me, I've never been good at it. I do miss the aspect of it, though. Creating a character for pvp/pk purposes, well, this is my first time in six years in doing so...I just see the pending mergers as a good time to have some fun like that.
You do have a choice. I have a choice. Plenty of times I choose to avoid pvp, sometimes I don't and I do enjoy that dynamic of this game...and I usually lose pvp fights. lol
I just see that the random dynamic of a chaotic player or open pvp is missing...and I miss it...and server mergers will bring some of that back for a bit. If you don't enjoy it, ok. If you do enjoy it, embrace it.
As for being colorblind, yeah, I can understand how that would make pvp a bit more difficult. lol
I guess I'd also like to know why is there a problem fighting for an xp spot? ... Is everyone afraid to go red? Are people afraid to defend where they're hunting or trying to force their way into a spot?
I remember a time when fighting for xp spots was a conscious concern of my clan members and of myself. There were days when I would call for help from clannies and in truth every single member that was online would come to defend me. Some cool pvp moments came out of those situations.
I remember a time when fighting for xp spots was a conscious concern of my clan members and of myself. There were days when I would call for help from clannies and in truth every single member that was online would come to defend me. Some cool pvp moments came out of those situations.
You summed up my rambling quite well...there were some really cool pvp moments and that's what I miss!
Organized PvP is playing at the park fun, whereas spur of the moment PvP is skydiving fun.
This is a video of one of those moments. I made it about 4 years ago. I was leveling up an alt and while in town buying shots I picked out someone around the same level as me (at the time there were many!) to follow out into the field and...well... watch and see.
Organized PvP is playing at the park fun, whereas spur of the moment PvP is skydiving fun.
This is a video of one of those moments. I made it about 4 years ago. I was leveling up an alt and while in town buying shots I picked out someone around the same level as me (at the time there were many!) to follow out into the field and...well... watch and see.
maybe, just maybe.. they don't have the details finalized yet and do not want to post it so if it changes we all don't go QQ'ing all over the forum about it?
maybe, just maybe.. they don't have the details finalized yet and do not want to post it so if it changes we all don't go QQ'ing all over the forum about it?
Server merge question, what will happen to my characters if.....
If I have more then 7 characters spread out over 3 different servers and they merge, what will happen to them since the maximum characters on one server is 7?
Server merge question, what will happen to my characters if.....
If I have more then 7 characters spread out over 3 different servers and they merge, what will happen to them since the maximum characters on one server is 7?
All characters with the lowest amount of EXP will get deleted so make sure to move all their items to a high level character.
If you have some chars with the exact same amount of EXP then the oldest of those chars will get deleted (if there are no lower level chars or there is no room for that char on your account.
The problem with merging everything into one server is not the number of players, it is that there are too many players of about the same level. We had no influx of real new players for a long time now, at the same time the level cap was not raised so the top clans reached for whatever reason (optimized legit xp or non-legit xp) the cap a while ago and remained there, while the rest of the server slowly caught up and now also slowly is on average 80+. The optimum load for a server may very well be 4000/5000 players or so, but not all in the same level range!
When the NA servers really are all merged into one server, there will be a huge pvp explosion at the start, and then half the players will either quit or take an extended break "until things have settled down", because it will be simply TOO annoying. There is a certain difference between fighting for a spot and having some pvp once in a while, and pretty much having other parties queueing up at the entrance of your xp spot.
Lineage 2 is built around PvP & PvE. If there are hundreds of players fighting for a zone (IE DVC back in the day), so be it. It's what makes the game fun, if you want to level in peace and have a carebear attitude then Lineage 2 is not the game for you. Mass PvP & chaos IS what this game is all about.
The problem with merging everything into one server is not the number of players, it is that there are too many players of about the same level. We had no influx of real new players for a long time now, at the same time the level cap was not raised so the top clans reached for whatever reason (optimized legit xp or non-legit xp) the cap a while ago and remained there, while the rest of the server slowly caught up and now also slowly is on average 80+. The optimum load for a server may very well be 4000/5000 players or so, but not all in the same level range!
When the NA servers really are all merged into one server, there will be a huge pvp explosion at the start, and then half the players will either quit or take an extended break "until things have settled down", because it will be simply TOO annoying. There is a certain difference between fighting for a spot and having some pvp once in a while, and pretty much having other parties queueing up at the entrance of your xp spot.
are you seriously saying you think all spots/rooms in MoS SoA Steel Citadel Stakato Nest etc. will be taken with queue's waiting for when becomes free after the mergers ?
they can merge Teon Franz & Luna and that will not be the case by a big margin and looking at the market on the NA servers (giran/aden check) it most likely won't be the case either for 1 NA server..
ppl will have to figure out what to do with all the war's & pvp as it will be so more easier to find wartags true enough but want to bet that will crystallize like it has in the past and in the end there will be around 3 top maxed out pvp clans meaning the weaker ones that currently dominate/semi factors on some of the servers will either have to go carebear or ally/join one of the strong ones.. it's a given who's who in this picture just log in at sieges and compare them..
1. No l2 was NOT made for server chaos. Sylvart is quite right. Look at it this way if u have 4000 ppl 80+ who is working the catacombs for AA? certainly not those 4k 80+ ppl lol.... u need 4k ppl at all lvls not 4 k ppl at 80+ to be viable.
2.If you merge to 1 thinking there will be 3k ppl and 50% leave that means ull be down to 1.5 k ppl which means ure back to where u were at B4 merging lololol
really me thinks its called corporate downsizing.... they justreally squeezing l2 NA out and trying to getthe last drops of blood lololol
I see your point, 3,000 players varying from level 30-85 equally is how it should be. However, 3,000 lvl 80+ will be crazy! Having a main of only lvl 56, I wish the game were lke the old days when players ranged from lvl 40s,50s,60s+.. Now, pre-80 is a solo grind match and every zone is abandoned, including awesome towns like gludio and dion. I remember the days when the low lvl towns were packed like giran, full of shops. It's also sad how low lvl areas are useless. IE. School of Dark Arts, it's such a beautiful, large & complex dungeon but meaningless now (unless for a class change quest).
We dont have to look too far. We had a merger already and it ended in disaster. I was one of the fans of the merger, at that time playing in kain, then i moved to franz at merger because it wasnt even close to what i was expecting.
After merger half ppl will quit so they will merge more than 2 servers in order to have more than the original servers average online, but exactly this crunch will determine the ppl to leave in the first place.
I do not think ppl will take an extended break, it is a good time to level your sub while the bots decide who stays and who quits and they merge in one clan again. After that point the quitting will go again for the regular reasons, no PvP, not enough online, having all castles without opositions and so on so the things will settle like before making a few forts available for us too and even some exp spots here and there. Besides, this will last only a couple of months at most, perhaps only one, depending on how fast bots decide to merge. A month goes by fast and by Christmas time we can go back to our regular game.
Legits, dont dispair, dont quit and after merger we will improve again the ratio legits/bots, just need to resist a month or two. And we have to level subs anyway, dont we ?
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For all those guys who play on servers with 500 ppl online and complain about having to compete for spots, who have lvl 56 mains, who post movies "my best pvp evah" lvl 31 shaman, who brag about their 20 chars etc, etc... I would like to remind you one thing:
You are a minority. Very vocal minority, but still a minority. If you quit, it will be no big loss, cause a dedicated soloer with multiple "mains" doesn't really add any value to the community.
And maybe if by some miracle you will learn to live on a server with few competing clans, this will teach you to appreciate L2 for what it really is. Not for what you want it to be.
I don't know, what influence will merges have on Teon, but I can't imagine anyone that I know quitting because of it.
um... i think u got the wrong idea.... i personally will still only be 78 when they shut down the servers while u will be maxed and have quit, moved on to other games with better graphics, more ppl on line. etc.etc.tc... the ppl who will quit will be the ppl who WANT to compete and cant. Not those who DONT want to compete lol
like ive always said id pay 1500/month just to have my own server llolololol
like ive always said id pay 1500/month just to have my own server llolololol
1500/month is equivalent of 100 players. NcSoft wants 45000/month from each server, and people like you will not provide it, got it?
... the ppl who will quit will be the ppl who WANT to compete and cant.
Lineage2 was never made for weak people. That's why it is a niche game.
um... i think u got the wrong idea.... i personally will still only be 78 when they shut down the servers while u will be maxed and have quit,
Don't worry my paid time is 3 years, 8 months (+2 years on pservers), and I'm nowhere near quitting. The difference between us is that I at least try to play this game as it was meant to be played.
Trust me. The day I quit, you will feel it. It will be the day l2.rochand.com closes it's doors.
I prefer to play on a server with 100 legits than on a server with 10.000 where 9.000 is botting or using 3rd party applications (radar, controll etc) to aid them.
mmm i sence some frustation in this one......... like i said we'll never get rid of each other so what u gonna do about it whine and complain? or quit?
i aint quiting like ive said b4... put ur rl money where ur mouth is... im rdy to bet my paycheck ill be here loooooong after ur gone and fed up with us carebears lol
L1is 11 yrs running what will u be doing when L2 reaches 11 yrs?
ill be here........
BTW dont get me wrong i hate cheters too... i just dont get butthuurt over em lol
mmm i sence some frustation in this one......... like i said we'll never get rid of each other so what u gonna do about it whine and complain? or quit?
i aint quiting like ive said b4... put ur rl money where ur mouth is... im rdy to bet my paycheck ill be here loooooong after ur gone and fed up with us carebears lol
L1is 11 yrs running what will u be doing when L2 reaches 11 yrs?
ill be here........
BTW dont get me wrong i hate cheters too... i just dont get butthuurt over em lol
It's not me, who is complaining in this thread, it is you. I pointed to you, in my original post, why there is no reason to complain. I'm actually almost 100% happy with my current ingame situation, and forum is for discussing different opinions, no?
Trust me. The day I quit, you will feel it. It will be the day l2.rochand.com closes it's doors.
I prefer to play on a server with 100 legits than on a server with 10.000 where 9.000 is botting or using 3rd party applications (radar, controll etc) to aid them.
Don't worry my paid time is 3 years, 8 months (+2 years on pservers), and I'm nowhere near quitting. The difference between us is that I at least try to play this game as it was meant to be played.
Now if we can just get NCSoft to do their job for once you can be banned. Good fight NCSoft. You refuse to EVER enforce your rules even when people directly tell you that they have broken your rules. That is why there are 85s running around with radar who didn't exp any of that.
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I didn't say everybody, but finding one that doesn't use radar or control during PvP is like wining a jackpot in lotto unless you PvP against one of those so called carebears that you so badly want to get rid of.
For all those guys who play on servers with 500 ppl online and COMPLAIN about having to compete for spots, who have lvl 56 mains, who post movies "my best pvp evah" lvl 31 shaman, who brag about their 20 chars etc, etc... I would like to remind you one thing:
You are a minority. Very vocal minority, but still a minority. If you quit, it will be no big loss, cause a dedicated soloer with multiple "mains" doesn't really add any value to the community.
And maybe if by some miracle you will learn to live on a server with few competing clans, this will teach you to appreciate L2 for what it really is. Not for what you want it to be.
I don't know, what influence will merges have on Teon, but I can't imagine anyone that I know quitting because of it.
read the caps word. We DONT complain and thats ur problem. So u whine about the fact that we dont complain. I DONT compete for spots. Those of us who have "20+ chars" dont need to. We play w/o u guys. I dont need ne one to play.
Thats my point. U hate the fact that this game is at a point where the ppl that want to pvp use programs to do it, and the ppl who dont want to pvp dont need the ppl who pvp.
so either a: pvp amongst urself (as a topic states phoenix is mostly pve myguess is teon is or will be too) or find another game to play. No matter what u guys do or say, it wont make us PVP . Period lolol
read the caps word. We DONT complain
So what this topic is made of, if not of posts of people who complain about merges? People, who praise merges?
and thats ur problem.
I don't have any problem, I'm bored at work.
Thats my point. U hate the fact that this game is at a point where the ppl that want to pvp use programs to do it,
I don't like this fact, but I bear with it. Otherwise I wouldn't be in an "unlegit" clan.
and the ppl who dont want to pvp dont need the ppl who pvp.
People, who genuinely "don't want to pvp" are not more, than 10% of the population, at least on Teon. So where is a reason to care about them.
so either a: pvp amongst urself (as a topic states phoenix is mostly pve myguess is teon is or will be too) or find another game to play.
Teon has 2 major clans that still fight eachother, one clan that has mutual war with both big sides, and many smaller, neutral clans that have their wars. For me stories from Phoenix and other US servers are like bad dream, and honestly I fell lucky, that 4 years ago, before creating my first char I clicked on Teon.
No matter what u guys do or say, it wont make us PVP . Period lolol
Where did I say, I want to make you pvp. I just said, that majority of the server will not suffer if you quit (Rohirimm is different thing for his website, but that's esception).
um... i think u got the wrong idea.... i personally will still only be 78 when they shut down the servers while u will be maxed and have quit, moved on to other games with better graphics, more ppl on line. etc.etc.tc... the ppl who will quit will be the ppl who WANT to compete and cant. Not those who DONT want to compete lol
like ive always said id pay 1500/month just to have my own server llolololol
Its funny how you complain about others trying to impose their way of playing in you, but yet you are doing the same thinng....
The fact that you are a looser and don't want to compete because you know that you dont have what it takes, does not mean that the rest do not want to compete either......
The fact that you enjoy being less than 78 and miss out on ALL the new content (in case you have not noticed all the Freya new content is 82+) is your problem, and nobody really cares about you.... I mean most ppl dont even know who you are.. 28 toons?? lol.....
1. if ppl realy had the pvp experience they were looking for why would they be calling us neutral clans to arms?
2. why would u say "And maybe if by some miracle you will learn to live on a server with few competing clans, this will teach you to appreciate L2 for what it really is. Not for what you want it to be." if u werent mad at us not PVP'ing? im sorry but u cant speak intelligently about "how it is meant to be played" it is to be playd the way NCSOFT has coded it, and within the eula. Thats it. No other rules or guidelines.
3. If u truly cant stand the way it SEEMS NCSOFT isnt doing nething about cheaters, u only have 1 option. Dont play.
4. I love playing this game THE WAY IT IS. If it changes in the future, ill adapt and play it the way it changes. Either way ill still play w/o whining or complaining...will u ?
5. Why u think we will quit? trust me look to the frustrated majority PVP players to quit long b4 us carebear players lol
6. Btw i love sparriing and arguing. Im not butthurt over nething u say or do, i just want ppl not to forget that like us or hate us, us carebears are here to stay :)
2. why would u say "And maybe if by some miracle you will learn to live on a server with few competing clans, this will teach you to appreciate L2 for what it really is. Not for what you want it to be." if u werent mad at us not PVP'ing? im sorry but u cant speak intelligently about "how it is meant to be played" it is to be playd the way NCSOFT has coded it, and within the eula. Thats it. No other rules or guidelines.
You just do the same as looking at the iceberg, and thinking, that the part that sticks above water surface is the whole iceberg. I wrote, that I hope, someday you see full truth (as with iceberg) and become wiser man - for the sake of it. It's never a bad thing to become wiser, and I generally wish well to people.
L2 is unique among MMOs, because it is all about struggle for power and fame. If you want to just play computer game equivalent of tamagochi, there are other games, that will provide you better experience, and there is nothing unique and special about L2 in that matter.
If you do not notice the bigger point of L2, a major part of it's design, a thing that makes it unique game - well it doesnt hurt you. But you just don't realize how much you loose, at least in terms of general knowledge.
Yes, you don't understand what I mean saying "how l2 was meant to be played". And as I said above, ignorance doesn't hurt. But it isn't a good thing either.
so in other words it MUST be played a certain way? I think not lolol the whole point of ANY online game is to get ppl to pay to play a game.
i pay therfore its served its purpose.
it does what its designed to do. Make me pay money. loloololol
ps. im not ignorant of l2 i know exactly what l2 envisioned. The problem is NO ONE plays that way. and no one will. So to keep us paying and playing we get to do what we want. I mean would they allow us to 2 box if they only wanted party play? lolololol
ill keep playing my style u keep playing urs and we'll see whos the last one playing k ?
oh and btw how much i loose by playing my style?
1. I know how much i lose... 70.00 canadian per month lolololol
2. so im supposed to get frustrated, be yelled at in vent, nevr get to be who i want to be, and most of all be a slave to a party style? When i cant see mobs,(colourblind) cant play at times ppl are on(night shift worker)
this is the reason i play to relax and destress from my rl not to struggle for fame and fortune as u put it lolol.
also asian style games give me something no other mmorpg does. The ability to lvl for yrs lolololol
Having 9 days passed since the announcement of "shortly", can we please get some infos regarding the server merges? Olympiads going in our servers, people struggling to fight for their castles, territorial wars etc, that may be pointless soon unless you give us some sort of infos.
What does shortly mean for you? Over a month or so?><
At least would be more polite to replace shortly with another word since its taking so long...