Mediocre clans DO NOT GET to do any kind of epic or big bosses.
You say that everyone should have a fair chance at participating on everything but then again a 10 ppl clan is prevented from participating from this events by DEFAULT. Therefore I do not see it wrong that those same small clans who are not able to do any of that Participate on clan halls.....
I have an Average / boarderline mediocre clan. We do TIAT / Zaken and are trying for Tezza. My clan is fairly new (lvl 7). We have been here for 1 year and I have roughly 50 active members in clan.
We do a LOT of PVP. We have active wars with half our servers yet I reckon that comparing to the huge clans in the server, even the PVE clans, our clan is miles away, and those guys that are twice or 3 times as many as we are and have been here for a lot longer that we have deserve a way better chance at getting a CH.
I really do not care if you have a clan and they kicked you out or they left you with nothing or whatever other qq MAO wants to write. The fact of the matter is he has a VERY SMALL / VERY NEW clan. Therefore it would be unfair that because he worked hard for 2 weeks he has the same shot at getting a clan hall as a Clan that has been in the server since prelude and has 100+ members........
That is my point.
From what I saw all legit clans in Franz that got involved in PvP lost out. Their members got tired of being killed without any chance by the bots GMs protect and moved to big bot clans to have a chance even tho in times of PvE they had 100 ppl or so. All legit clans made level 7 much faster than 1 year because members are live and care for their clan. I made level 9 in less than one year but we re-started from 6 from previous bot takeover, and we had most PvE skills including squad ones. Now, after made clan 4 months ago, we are level 7 for a few weeks already, even tho you claim you have more ppl than us, we still beat you by a far shot.
Bots most time dont care about their clan they just want the skills that someone else must do. From what you say it is a clear case, lots of PvP, low level clan, probably enough ppl banned because you dont mention this aspect.
I agree with CHs being given to the biggest/best clans out there AFTER all the bots have been banned, because all those big clans will lose 80% of their members and legits will have a chance. Untill then, it is simply a scheme to hand out CHs to bots we cant do anything about. You won, good luck till next merger, I hope then we will have a different GM team and another attitude towards cheaters, but again, I had same hopes after last merger too, no lessons have been learned, we have another one now, it certainly doesnt look like botting going to go away anytime soon.
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so you were here a long time, you still need to say why they should bypass 100+ people and let you have it. By the way, the big clans will probably get more than 1 CH if they didnt do this. Even raising cap on bids would screw you.
Adena Auction
Well said. Basing on normal auction system (and omg especially if cap raised) the big winners would clans with bot farming funding support aside from couple legitly very rich. Either case - wuddnt be good to see clans get multiple halls thanks to deep pockets, and even some good halls go to 'farmers' purely for resell and profits later.
Some would think thats free market and fair enuff and perhaps would be - but may I point out to those ppl, this is huge merge and to get so many ppl screwed over wuddnt be good for the new (and final) server. Also clans who owned clan hall from ancient times or bought cheap would be screwed in this process and likely miss out chance to rebid.
Small Clans Equal Rights
About the point wretchedoutcasts are making here, that a small clan that owns a hall should have as much right and chance to get a clan hall back (ie: all clans who currently own) as the medium or large clans, rather than based on size/level/activity...
Ok of course you are making your case, and thats fair enuff in your position I'm sure many would do the same and not happy to face maybe losing clan hall. So no disrespect at all - but let me help explain maybe you wont feel so hard done by and understand:
The Reality and Server Consolidation
1. This is a huge merge not two servers like last time but five.
2. There will be five times less of everything available.
3. Many clans have to miss or downgrade hall thats the way has to be.
4. Should be trend for some clans merge into others so players still get stuff like clan hall (server merge = perhaps clan merges).
5. If clan hall required for your clan and/or decide merge makes sense low level small merge to large, not high level large merge to small.
Fairness and Whats Best For Server
1. Want to minimise the numbers of players who lose clan hall benefit (the less people unhappy the better).
2. Not fair to have a luck/timing system to dictate which clans keep their clan hall. Wud be easy to be almost random, but not best way.
3. Better for the new server for larger more active clans to have clan halls, healthier clans means healthier server.
Wretched outcasts and other clans in similar position - the easiest way to understand is to simply ask yourself would you be happy with missing out on a clan hall because a 1 person clan snagged it first by luck/timing/otherwise (equal chance) as you propose? Large clans would feel exactly the same about a small clan getting instead of them. If you are 60 active mains or such as you suggest, then I would say you have a better chance of keeping a clan hall with the system you are arguing against, rathering than rolling dice on it.
Regarding bots and bot majority clans - havent given this one much thought, guess would depend largely on how ncsoft want to handle and how able they can be to handle botting and policing on new servers. Mao decent idea on (if they are policing heavily) then look at activity post-bans as some of those botting extreme clans wud be likely to fold and die anyway and redundant clan hall. However, I think you also are under impression all large clans are bot heavy which a) isnt the case b) there will only be enough clan halls for the few/several huge top clans; Shud be enough good ones (rune, goddard, aden, giran) for legit (or mostly legit) medium-large too I would think. Like said havent given bot aspect much thought nor know what ncsoft plans are.
Conclusion
I agree a system based on all factors of prerequisite currently owning a clan hall, clan level and clan activity is the best option; However it would also require awareness of some things hard to tell like activity and time wud be needed to find this info out; And details such as how to work out a fair way with who gets what hall and any sort of ordering or categories there.
These kinda details are what we should be discussing, to help come up with a constructive idea pool rather than bagging or complain what has already been worked out and decided as best :)
The Reality and Server Consolidation
1. This is a huge merge not two servers like last time but five.
2. There will be five times less of everything available.
3. Many clans have to miss or downgrade hall thats the way has to be.
4. Should be trend for some clans merge into others so players still get stuff like clan hall (server merge = perhaps clan merges).
5. If clan hall required for your clan and/or decide merge makes sense low level small merge to large, not high level large merge to small.
1. Only NA server gets made by 5 servers. I agree it is an extreme merger otherwise.
2. True, but some resources were heavily unused (forts) or blocked (CHs owned by dead clans) so even tho in theory there will be 1/5 of everything in your case, only about 1/2 will be the net effect.
3. Agreed, but those should be the dead clans.
4. There will be clan merges BUT, only after a month or so, the winning side will recruit the losing side(s) so they have all monopoly. However, the losing clan(s) will still have the CH by then and will keep till next merger blocked because GMs wont auction anymore the dead clan's CH, they will only hand them out once. Only in about one year when next merger will come they will be free again.
5. That might be, but owning CH is not enough reason to merge, not by a far shot for a normal clan. Perhaps some alt clans will do that, those without wars for AFK purposes so they can have autobsoe for cheap.
<b>The only fair criteria for an auction should be the price</b> You can block from participating cheaters, for instance, block 3rd party in the day of bidding, you can also block the level 2 clans made for this puprose, or even level 5 and below ones, those with less than 50 chars, 10 different ppl, etc, but NOT hand out those as you wish on some criteria other than game rules.
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<b>The only fair criteria for an auction should be the price</b> You can block from participating cheaters, for instance, block 3rd party in the day of bidding, you can also block the level 2 clans made for this puprose, or even level 5 and below ones, those with less than 50 chars, 10 different ppl, etc, but NOT hand out those as you wish on some criteria other than game rules.
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i totally agree and only clans lvl 11 should be able to participate ...
btw. its still funny how Mao dont get that his scrub clan would never ever got a CH, no matter how he sets the rules aside from: Rule #1 - Mao and his clan gets CH ...
I'm not sure about handing out CHs, but I do like that GMs talk to people much more now and they try to do something fair. There will be always some people that are not happy with their actions, but they should focus on majority.
Mao is a "she".
MaoMao, you will tell me now that majority is bots. Ok, even if it's so. You seem to suffer a lot in this game. You're grifed, you get your items lost and so on. Why you stay? You like to suffer?
Maybe set up a private server for your 7 clannies and play there? You did it once, you can do it again. Why not? You don't need the latest updates, you don't do high level stuff anyway, because "legit can't be higher than 80 (c) Mao".
You don't want to compete, you don't need wars, you call all other players cheaters/bots if they refuse to play with you. Why pay for the game if you can have l2j for free?
I'm not sure about handing out CHs, but I do like that GMs talk to people much more now and they try to do something fair. There will be always some people that are not happy with their actions, but they should focus on majority.
Mao is a "she".
MaoMao, you will tell me now that majority is bots. Ok, even if it's so. You seem to suffer a lot in this game. You're grifed, you get your items lost and so on. Why you stay? You like to suffer?
Maybe set up a private server for your 7 clannies and play there? You did it once, you can do it again. Why not? You don't need the latest updates, you don't do high level stuff anyway, because "legit can't be higher than 80 (c) Mao".
You don't want to compete, you don't need wars, you call all other players cheaters/bots if they refuse to play with you. Why pay for the game if you can have l2j for free?
First, there wont be anything fair if GMs break the rules.
Second, I dont care about griefers as the ones that did it found out.
Third, there are much more than 7 clannies.
Fourth, I can be higher than 80, because vita has been added since then.
Fifth, I want to compete, but not with cheaters. I am in a fierce competition right now and I will win it :)
Sixth, I refuse to play with cheaters, even tho they swear they dont bot anymore for x months, I rejected at least 5 high level bots, because they cant just become legit, they must be legits from start.
Seventh, I like the game and I play it as I like. You dont like me, fine join the chorus that asks for me to be banned, but it is futile, the decision has been taken already, only the timing is to be set. Then you will be able to enjoy L2 sunbathing in PI without indiscreet eyes.
i totally agree and only clans lvl 11 should be able to participate ...
btw. its still funny how Mao dont get that his scrub clan would never ever got a CH, no matter how he sets the rules aside from: Rule #1 - Mao and his clan gets CH ...
If you would have actually read what i wrote, you would have seen I accepted long ago that even by the rules I would have had only theoretical chances, at least now it is clear and i dont have to block money anymore, I can use them to make more and speculate merger. So, i dont think i lost anything, there were 0 chances before and now they have been halved, but at least I know for sure and I have no worries.
The principle of GMs helping the ones that dont need help anyway because they cheat is against everything that is fair, the simple fact they dont intervene to keep the game fair is bad enough and made this merger necessary inthe first place, they shouldnt have done this too.
1. I never PvPed in official.(...)
3. you had to kick botters. When someone decided to bot to PvP and join the top out there, they were withdrawing themselves.
4. Your deffinition of legit does not match mine.
5. It is easy to PvP,(....)
6. It is too late now i think, (...)
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Ad 1. OK
Ad 2. no comment
Ad 3. Really I try to understand you but can't :confused:
Are you able to predict what all new comers will do?!
In last 2 year we had at least 30+ botters who found then kicked and reported.
I'm wonder how you before invite can find who is 'bad' who is 'good'
Only one explanation your clan is you and your twinks :D
Ad 4. Can you provide me YOUR definition of legit. I'm really wonder.
Ad 5. .. hmm yes especially when we combine with 1 :D
Ad 6. I agree with you :p
P.S. I know discussion with you is a bit pointless. But I'm really wonder your answers in 3/4
Educational system in the US must be getting worse each year lol. No it's just hard to type and keep track of what im writting on my droidX, and yes now that I am at home and have had a chance to read the hole post it is quite horrible.
Unfortunately it does not matter who gets a clan hall. The people who don't will complain about it. There will be people who say NcSoft favors certain clans over others. No matter how they decide who gets a clan hall it's a no win situation for NcSoft.
Only on teon you already have manny clans. Hope NCsoft pick some nice clans out of it.
3 Top BIG Clans/allies: X, SH, Rage
Medium Clans/Allies: SL, BS, Serenity (Echo, KJ, TNT), Vesto, Odyssey (HS).
Small clans/Allies: ....
Those i see mostly active at sieges, tw, being everywhere. Hope NCsoft have a look on the above Medium Clan/Allies also, which are getting stronger everyday and getting a threat to the above 3 top ally's soon.
1. Only NA server gets made by 5 servers. I agree it is an extreme merger otherwise.
2. True, but some resources were heavily unused (forts) or blocked (CHs owned by dead clans) so even tho in theory there will be 1/5 of everything in your case, only about 1/2 will be the net effect.
Everything not just clan halls, most forts are occupied on little sayha but only half by actual clans not alt and such. You need to think of castles here we will go from 45 to 9 available. I would say epics too but so many are instanced now. Guessing 1/2 net effect overall is just that, a guess, and not a very good one Im afraid :p
3. Agreed, but those should be the dead clans.
Yes the dead clans for sure but even after that there wont be nearly enough for all current alive owners.
4. There will be clan merges BUT, only after a month or so, the winning side will recruit the losing side(s) so they have all monopoly. However, the losing clan(s) will still have the CH by then and will keep till next merger blocked because GMs wont auction anymore the dead clan's CH, they will only hand them out once. Only in about one year when next merger will come they will be free again.
5. That might be, but owning CH is not enough reason to merge, not by a far shot for a normal clan. Perhaps some alt clans will do that, those without wars for AFK purposes so they can have autobsoe for cheap.
Not clan hall alone but simply with everything reduced to 1/5 it would in theory make sense to have 1/5 the number of clans. Now in reality that wont be the case of course but the closer to it the better for matching new server resources to new server clans.
<b>The only fair criteria for an auction should be the price</b> You can block from participating cheaters, for instance, block 3rd party in the day of bidding, you can also block the level 2 clans made for this puprose, or even level 5 and below ones, those with less than 50 chars, 10 different ppl, etc, but NOT hand out those as you wish on some criteria other than game rules.
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Only fair way is by price? :confused: Ahh I see now you must have lots of cash and want a system weighted for your benefit alone :) You could be more helpful by thinking of the game as a whole not just yourself :p Btw its so easy for a farmer or alt clan to have a heap of toons in (81 is only 9 accounts) and LV6, 7 whatever.
Little difference if they could/did stop bot login on the day - can they also locate and block all their adena made from farming? Its not program use on day but cash available, and also screwing all the old clans who bought ch for early day adena values by that system. I fail to see how clan halls for the richest people/clans/farmer is more beneficial to the new server than active/majority/successful. And if they did do it by adena but not raise cap, then its just pot luck on what hall gone for and timing. Nice and easy but given this is final merge and will lead to more people leave the game, not a good thing.
Incidentally I speak from a clan that would be very likely able to secure a clan hall based on currently capped adena system as long as we clicked the right clan hall (luck) and in time (timing, np as long as no login or net issues - which may be the case with so many people login at same time, imagine the fun of that if you cant login to get your ch even with all the adena in the world haha).
Unfortunately it does not matter who gets a clan hall. The people who don't will complain about it. There will be people who say NcSoft favors certain clans over others. No matter how they decide who gets a clan hall it's a no win situation for NcSoft.
Ya agreed its impossible to please everyone, they do have a hard job especially with so many that complain on forum. Next best thing is to do whats best for health of the game and to keep majority happy.
At the 5 years of my playtime at l2,most of them was in a clan with a ch.If i am going to loose it after merge,cause of the new "rules" i would say nothing if at those rules u take a lot at some more thinks.
If u target is to give Ch to people that are active and in high lvl clans then i would suggest in order to be even more effective in that target,to not give CH to all those clans that so far support and got benefits from people that was botting/use third programs.
U can easly find how many people got banned with a clan tag,if that tag was the home of 5-10-20-50 deside the numper,of banned toons,u should not give to that clan a CH.
Those clans,got high lvl cause of the use of illigal programs,and atm they are the most active ones,cause simple people wants to be in the winning side.
In order to please the majority and make the game more fair, I have a few propositions:
1. Ppl say that it is not fair for rich (in game) clans to have CH. I guess it is not right for vesper armors and weapons as well as epics to be so expensive too and some ppl to have a disadvantage in PvP even tho they were online same number of minutes as the heroes and such, some even more. Please ask GMs to hand you some because you are "active" 24/7. Those on for every moment except server downtime in last 3 months should get rare, +6 armors and +16 weapons, while the rest that are on just 23 hours a day in average only regular +43333, or so.
2. "Active" ppl will also be put directly to level 85/80/80/80 so they dont waste server resources being on exping 24/7. The most active will also get +30 all skills while the ones with unreliable internet or power will get only +20.
3. Once every month there will be special events for "active" ppl where GMs will hand out prizes proportionally with the time spent online, much like in Oly system, for instance, the top 1% will get Valakas, the top 10% Antharas and first half Baium. Naturally, those will be up to +16 for ppl with most wars and PvPs.
4. There will be implemented a special API for the 3rd party programs so they can detect chars logged on regular client and use a special skill on them to kill and make them drop everything plus set exp to 0, so there wont be any more "carebears" in the way of "active" ppl.
I hope this will boost the PvP and make all "active" ppl happy. Feel free to add to the list whatever you like and demand to be implemented. You managed so far whatever you wanted, so there are no surprises, we will see that in reality very soon, just when will be obvious this merger was a disaster.
M
At the 5 years of my playtime at l2,most of them was in a clan with a ch.If i am going to loose it after merge,cause of the new "rules" i would say nothing if at those rules u take a lot at some more thinks.
If u target is to give Ch to people that are active and in high lvl clans then i would suggest in order to be even more effective in that target,to not give CH to all those clans that so far support and got benefits from people that was botting/use third programs.
U can easly find how many people got banned with a clan tag,if that tag was the home of 5-10-20-50 deside the numper,of banned toons,u should not give to that clan a CH.
Those clans,got high lvl cause of the use of illigal programs,and atm they are the most active ones,cause simple people wants to be in the winning side.
many of you have good ideas but i doubt NCsoft cares, your ideas involve alot of work in their part, they probably dont even have a log of who is banned.
There is only one requirement that should be a definate when deciding who gets a clan hall, and that is whether a clan holds a clan hall now on one of the old servers. It's not like this is a brand new server where everyone is starting over. Other than that the requirements could be anything. However as I said before it's a no win situation for NcSoft.
PM me for details about my chars and place to come to get killed. You can do that after merger, I play in Franz so I dont know how you got those 2 PK points on me now, I wasnt killed in a long time (2 months i think, maybe more).
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I am already have info about you( good people gave it to me at the same day as I posted my request),I have no idea where did you see " 2 PK" in my post,oh w8 it should be because of tears in you eyes.When I said about 2 points,I meant that points which Sace rewarded me.
Sorry, but I do not understand what is the point in your discussion "who deserves to have clan hall and who not", if NC Soft already decided how and who will get it.Actually,it is stupid to declare ownership rights on that is not our property.I would like to remind to all, that in according of EULA all ingame property belongs to NC Soft, and we only pay for access to service.Why you so affraid of this changes.Change is the best motivator for further growth and development:new friends,new enemy, new community isn't it amazing?Forget about bots it is a GM's problem, you sholud think about how you will exist in the new circumstances, how will you build relationships with new clans and ally.
I am already have info about you( good people gave it to me at the same day as I posted my request),I have no idea where did you see " 2 PK" in my post,oh w8 it should be because of tears in you eyes.When I said about 2 points,I meant that points which Sace rewarded me.
I have nothing against PK, it is part of the game, I just pointed out it is impossible you PKed me. Not my fault if you say ambiguous things, when someone says I have 2 points on you I believe it is related to the game, since I never PvP must be PK, I thought you take me as someone else, who would think of infraction points...
I never complained about PK, I just think that bots should pvp bots, there is nothing funny in my view in 1-shotting c-b-a graders. We were yesterday at sieges and bots PKed some naked b graders using shots... Now that is a waste of shots, so in the end they swim to castle and got crp for clan. Bots won fame, we won fame, we both had fun, this is the game. Only thing i dont understand is why they use shots on hero weapons to kill b graders, perhaps for animation, OOG client doesnt show it.
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P.S. Regarding the way the rules changed, perfect, I agree should be fair distribution, but not only once, keep kicking inactive clans (banned leaders, merged clans) and free CHs, they say it is unfair, agreed, but keep it fair all the time then.
if NC Soft already decided how and who will get it.
Actually, it is Soon(TM). If they decided we would have known by now. The whole horde that attacks me for saying the change of rules to help out bots is unfair, you will be here in majority to cry when the criteria will be announced. Either your no-war clan for AFK didnt get, or you didnt get the one you wanted, or X clan you think has fewer trains got ch and you didnt, even tho you are sure you were on 24/7 all the time, there will be some criteria and not all will qualify for sure, depending on the weight of different things. For instance, servers with more population and not totally one-sided should get more CH, because the other ppl would have had an easier task being on 24/7 with wars on, even, so, why should they get same amount or same grade CH as us ?
As any judgemental and arbitrary imposed solution against the rules and only taking into consideration how GMs think the game should be played and which are the criteria that decide how the best are to be chosen, it will end up making much more unhappy ppl than happy ones. I can hardly wait your tears and I will come here to "help" in the same way you did help my efforts to offer a legitimate and fair solution to a controversial problem, if I am not banned by then.
I know my clan is small and new and i never contested that, but one abuse will lead to another, and when GMs start to reward cheating then we have a big problem. It was better when they were neutral, just looking the other way and pretending the bots dont exist. I thought it cant be worse, but I was wrong.
It is same in rl, when the military is rebelling against an elected but later impopular regime, ppl go up in the streets and cheer, but when the soldiers shoot and **** in the street because they make the law now, things are not so rosy anymore. I think rules have to be respected or changed if they dont fit anymore, a one off situation will never be one off, there will be more and more to "fix" things guiding ourselves on the principle "the majority wants it and we know better" without actually asking for any poll, because, you know, we are always right. If they were we didnt need this merger, if the bots were needed for the game to exist, we didnt need this merger, if there was no publicity and no PR ppl needed that actually listen instead of "knowing better", we ddint need this merger, instead we would have needed more servers. But, they know better and the situation is like you can see. I lost all hope they will ever wake up and I am sure will go from disaster to disaster till the final failure and lights off.
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Actually, it is Soon(TM). If they decided we would have known by now. The whole horde that attacks me for saying the change of rules to help out bots is unfair, you will be here in majority to cry when the criteria will be announced. Either your no-war clan for AFK didnt get, or you didnt get the one you wanted, or X clan you think has fewer trains got ch and you didnt, even tho you are sure you were on 24/7 all the time, there will be some criteria and not all will qualify for sure, depending on the weight of different things.
As any judgemental and arbitrary imposed solution against the rules and only taking into consideration how GMs think the game should be played and which are the criteria that decide how the best are to be chosen, it will end up making much more unhappy ppl than happy ones. I can hardly wait your tears and I will come here to "help" in the same way you did help my efforts to offer a legitimate and fair solution to a controversial problem, if I am not banned by then.
I know my clan is small and new and i never contested that, but one abuse will lead to another, and when GMs start to reward cheating then we have a big problem. It was better when they were neutral, just looking the other way and pretending the bots dont exist. I thought it cant be worse, but I was wrong.
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Still going at it huh. You AINT getting one. Now stop crying and accusing others of illegal stuff.
And no, my clan aint getting a clan hall either. But you dont see me crying about it, do you? :D
Once again, with old rules I wouldnt get one either, but it was the hope. When GMs pick who is worthy of something there is no hope except when they pick who isn't worthy. Cheaters should have been eliminated if they wanted to be fair.
So I know I wouldnt have much chances either way, but there is a principle that has been demolished and that is the sad part.
When there is a rule must be the same for all, if it isnt, we are in Mafia state and the problem of a lousy CH in Dion is insignifficant when we look at the consequences in general.
One rule for all is a basic principle of the law. Without it there is no law.
M
I use to own a clanhall in rune, in franz server...I just found out i got refunded the 64m adena our clan used to get the clanhall 4 years ago in the first few weeks of franz server..
This is completely unfair and in fact is nothing less than a loss of our clanhall without any compensation .
With market prices prior to merge ALL clanhalls would easily get 2 bills if put into the action bid process.. Especially clanhals in aden-rune-giran would always have more adena change hands on the side, some time up to 8-10 billion adena in order for a clanhall to be given from one clan to another..
I always though ncsoft is aware of whats going on inside the game it created, but to refund 64m of adena , 4 years after when now ecomomy of franz is so grown is laughable. EVERY clanhall in the game put into action would easily be be sold 2 bills which is the maximum bid available in lineage 2 for clanhalls.
I sincerely ask ncsoft to rethink the process of refunds for clanhalls and AT LEAST provide each clan that lost a clanhall due to merge NOT the actual initial bidding price, but the actual price they could get EASILY in market right now through the official bidding system , which is 2bilions...
Else you just say grats to all those players that did "virtual" sales of clanhals the last month and fooled the system you created , in order to get 2 bills, while the rest of us that dont have inner informations or do not want to fool the system, are left with nothing....And to think that i was wondering why so many clanhalls were for sales the last month in franz..i thought it was in case some fool buys them and the clans get the adena since they would lose the clanhall anyway... i had no idea of this "refund" strategy , and from what i have seen in the forum , it was posted really late, HOW did some people knew about it and set their clanhalls for sale in early September ????
I use to own a clanhall in rune, in franz server...I just found out i got refunded the 64m adena our clan used to get the clanhall 4 years ago in the first few weeks of franz server..
This is completely unfair and in fact is nothing less than a loss of our clanhall without any compensation .
With market prices prior to merge ALL clanhalls would easily get 2 bills if put into the action bid process.. Especially clanhals in aden-rune-giran would always have more adena change hands on the side, some time up to 8-10 billion adena in order for a clanhall to be given from one clan to another..
I always though ncsoft is aware of whats going on inside the game it created, but to refund 64m of adena , 4 years after when now ecomomy of franz is so grown is laughable. EVERY clanhall in the game put into action would easily be be sold 2 bills which is the maximum bid available in lineage 2 for clanhalls.
I sincerely ask ncsoft to rethink the process of refunds for clanhalls and AT LEAST provide each clan that lost a clanhall due to merge NOT the actual initial bidding price, but the actual price they could get EASILY in market right now through the official bidding system , which is 2bilions...
Else you just say grats to all those players that did "virtual" sales of clanhals the last month and fooled the system you created , in order to get 2 bills, while the rest of us that dont have inner informations or do not want to fool the system, are left with nothing....And to think that i was wondering why so many clanhalls were for sales the last month in franz..i thought it was in case some fool buys them and the clans get the adena since they would lose the clanhall anyway... i had no idea of this "refund" strategy , and from what i have seen in the forum , it was posted really late, HOW did some people knew about it and set their clanhalls for sale in early September ????
Emoulina
if u sell your 4 years old car u ll get 20000% his buy price?
dont complain,they refound the amount u had use to buy the clan hall
i had no idea of this "refund" strategy , and from what i have seen in the forum , it was posted really late, HOW did some people knew about it and set their clanhalls for sale in early September ????
Emoulina
It was done during the last server merge 2 years or so ago and they use the same merge system now that they used back then as well...with the exception that the CH's are locked and given out by NCSoft and that you can send in a dispute about a character name.
lol a completely laughable argument...
in the game there is no wear over time of things.....
And clanhalls are the MOST importand thing in the l2 clan gameplay..
EVERY clanhall in every server put in bidding process would get not 2 but 5-6-10 bills offers .... i dont ask the market price....
I ask the bid price the any clanhall would easily get in the market, thats 2 bill adena as this is the limitation of the clanhall.. im aware of alot transactions that took place for sales of clanhallas that on the side more than 10-15 bills changed hands in order of the clanhall to be sold, due to the limitation of 2 bills in bid price.. i dont ask that.....
only a FAIR, LOGICAL compensation for losing the MOST importand aspect of a clan , its clanhall.................
I use to own a clanhall in rune, in franz server...I just found out i got refunded the 64m adena our clan used to get the clanhall 4 years ago in the first few weeks of franz server..
This is completely unfair and in fact is nothing less than a loss of our clanhall without any compensation .
With market prices prior to merge ALL clanhalls would easily get 2 bills if put into the action bid process.. Especially clanhals in aden-rune-giran would always have more adena change hands on the side, some time up to 8-10 billion adena in order for a clanhall to be given from one clan to another..
I always though ncsoft is aware of whats going on inside the game it created, but to refund 64m of adena , 4 years after when now ecomomy of franz is so grown is laughable. EVERY clanhall in the game put into action would easily be be sold 2 bills which is the maximum bid available in lineage 2 for clanhalls.
I sincerely ask ncsoft to rethink the process of refunds for clanhalls and AT LEAST provide each clan that lost a clanhall due to merge NOT the actual initial bidding price, but the actual price they could get EASILY in market right now through the official bidding system , which is 2bilions...
Else you just say grats to all those players that did "virtual" sales of clanhals the last month and fooled the system you created , in order to get 2 bills, while the rest of us that dont have inner informations or do not want to fool the system, are left with nothing....And to think that i was wondering why so many clanhalls were for sales the last month in franz..i thought it was in case some fool buys them and the clans get the adena since they would lose the clanhall anyway... i had no idea of this "refund" strategy , and from what i have seen in the forum , it was posted really late, HOW did some people knew about it and set their clanhalls for sale in early September ????
Emoulina
I think the problem with giving 2b adena to all clan hall owners - usually when a hall bought for 2b then that adena comes from within the economy. If they create that adena to hand to all clan hall owners, and then combine all the servers... it adds up to quite an inflation on the economy. It also then becomes 'unfair' to those who did actually pay 2b adena.
However the fact you only get back what you actually paid way-back-when I think has been considered by not doing a simply adena ingame auction as soon as server comes up (depending on if we still need to pay 2b adena for a clan hall) because unless you had that cash from elsewhere, you as a clan hall owner at merge time get screwed by not being able to rebid. Certainly some would be screwed by this and stand no chance of getting back a hall they originally had simply because they had it for such a long time.
So in short - you're being looked after as best as is possible rather than screwed :) You got back what you paid, gratz on getting it ages ago and for so cheap. Sure you cudda sold it for 2b if merges werent happening - but then you wouldnt have a clan hall or stand a chance of getting one now.
In order to please the majority and make the game more fair, I have a few propositions:
1. Ppl say that it is not fair for rich (in game) clans to have CH. I guess it is not right for vesper armors and weapons as well as epics to be so expensive too and some ppl to have a disadvantage in PvP even tho they were online same number of minutes as the heroes and such, some even more. Please ask GMs to hand you some because you are "active" 24/7. Those on for every moment except server downtime in last 3 months should get rare, +6 armors and +16 weapons, while the rest that are on just 23 hours a day in average only regular +43333, or so.
2. "Active" ppl will also be put directly to level 85/80/80/80 so they dont waste server resources being on exping 24/7. The most active will also get +30 all skills while the ones with unreliable internet or power will get only +20.
3. Once every month there will be special events for "active" ppl where GMs will hand out prizes proportionally with the time spent online, much like in Oly system, for instance, the top 1% will get Valakas, the top 10% Antharas and first half Baium. Naturally, those will be up to +16 for ppl with most wars and PvPs.
4. There will be implemented a special API for the 3rd party programs so they can detect chars logged on regular client and use a special skill on them to kill and make them drop everything plus set exp to 0, so there wont be any more "carebears" in the way of "active" ppl.
I hope this will boost the PvP and make all "active" ppl happy. Feel free to add to the list whatever you like and demand to be implemented. You managed so far whatever you wanted, so there are no surprises, we will see that in reality very soon, just when will be obvious this merger was a disaster.
M
Yes lets do all that, we can put it right next to the ingame 'merge five servers into one' button. Oh wait... :p
The merge (and such a large one at that) is not a part of the game whatsoever, but for some reason you think it only fair if they take halls away from clans who saved and paid 2b adena for something supposedly permanent if wanted, and let those that have masses of adena (which includes farmers) do as they will even if they are a solo or tiny clan, multiple halls, make profit later, whatever.
No one has been saying its not fair for rich clans to have clan halls. If fact to get one on new server, you need to currently have one so unless lucky to have had for ages will have had to pay 2b in the first place.
Stop being so bitter that money wont buy you love. Oh er clan hall. Whatever my bad ;) They're going to be too much of a premium and screw too many people to be left up to adena only.
Stop complain already ppl it is what it is and is done - and for a reason. No matter what was done it would have been impossible to suit everyone, and all situations considered so whatever you say it wont be news.
What we should chat about with clan halls if anything (and what may still be changeable/workoutable by ncsoft) is speculation or suggestions on the practical process of who gets clan hall based on the criteria. However I cant be azzed thinkin about that so I'll wait and be surprised :)
My question to Sace is we just got refunded the money for the old clan halls. (FYI I bid the max on it so i got refunded the 2 billion adena)
Do we need this money if we are awarded a new clan hall or will they be given out without a need for the money we originally paid?
I believe this question needs answering !!
+1
Aye second this it seems pretty likely...
Sace I'm sure you guys probably waiting to release clan hall details in full post-clanhall-lockdown, but ya it would be nice to know or have heads up if we need to use the adena to get clan hall back (if clan hall available/offered/watever through whatever process is done).
well im sorry but for my clans situation, to lose our clanhall and get 60m in the todays server economy = TOTAL loss of clanhall and NO way of bidding back for new one since no more adena ...
Hard to say , but this merge probably cost my clan the existance of it, even though its a lvl 9 clan, with alot of clan skills, alot squad skills like holy lv3 and etc ...
After merge without clanhall, NONE will like to stay and try more to lvl up a clan that has NO permanent base.....
I just wish ncsoft would have thought it better and not sentence some of the oldest clans in server to die cause of loss of clanhall and no ecomonic refund so at least they could get another...
well im sorry but for my clans situation, to lose our clanhall and get 60m in the todays server economy = TOTAL loss of clanhall and NO way of bidding back for new one since no more adena ...
Hard to say , but this merge probably cost my clan the existance of it, even though its a lvl 9 clan, with alot of clan skills, alot squad skills like holy lv3 and etc ...
After merge without clanhall, NONE will like to stay and try more to lvl up a clan that has NO permanent base.....
I just wish ncsoft would have thought it better and not sentence some of the oldest clans in server to die cause of loss of clanhall and no ecomonic refund so at least they could get another...
But thats what they did rather than just leaving it up to usual adena bidding on server 'spawn' - maybe your missing something. You might not need adena to get a clan hall back, we dont know yet.
My guess and is nothing more than a guess - perhaps what they might do is if your clan is sufficient criteria to be able to get a clan hall, you pay the npc price or perhaps repay the amount of money refunded (ie: the 60m in your case). Who knows...
aggreed, if ncsoft gives us a clanhall no harm done..BUT what are the chances for a lvl 9 clan to get one ??? very low, since in all servers there are SO many clans lvl 10-11....... and even more , when the handing out to all major clans is done, it says the rest will be open for bid if im not mistaken....
we cant get into bid proccess with the refund of 60m ..lol
60m at the start of franz was like a fortune....... we made our 50 players to give 1 mill each which is REALLY hard to make in no grade ......
well im sorry but for my clans situation, to lose our clanhall and get 60m in the todays server economy = TOTAL loss of clanhall and NO way of bidding back for new one since no more adena ...
Hard to say , but this merge probably cost my clan the existance of it, even though its a lvl 9 clan, with alot of clan skills, alot squad skills like holy lv3 and etc ...
After merge without clanhall, NONE will like to stay and try more to lvl up a clan that has NO permanent base.....
I just wish ncsoft would have thought it better and not sentence some of the oldest clans in server to die cause of loss of clanhall and no ecomonic refund so at least they could get another...
This is just BS. I made clan level 9, legit, without CH and in the beginning without fort even, because all were taken. We came late in Franz and didnt have the luxury to bid at beginning. Yet, had clan level 9 with all PvE skills, and now that clan will be put to level 10, even tho didnt keep the original principles and became a regular one.
I have now clan level 7, without CH, yet we are GROWING every week, new legits join us, nobody left the clan for another, tho some ppl left the game in 4 months since the clan was started almost to the day. We have almost no skills, just basics, yet all ppl work hard to get CRP, RB items, we managed to raise 4 bn even tho most are newbies and I got robbed of everything i got in 5 years of l2, even tho some on Kain, not on Franz. We started from NOTHING, no gear, no money, no CH, no clan, no skills and we are building legit clan on Franz, now in Naia.
Even tho I made such a fuss because the distribution to the best cheaters is unfair in general and GMs break the rules of the game, a CH is NOT needed for a clan, a fort is NOT needed, a castle is NOT needed, it all depends on the strenght and beliefs of those ppl that make the clan their desire to succeed in such a hostile words where everything is stacked against legits, yet we grow and prosper.
That is the beauty of it, triumph against all odds, and this is why I love L2 because it gives me the most hostile environment possible in which to succeed, and same thoughts are in many of the clannies.
Only GMs can stop us, otherwise our will will triumph.
This is just BS. I made clan level 9, legit, without CH and in the beginning without fort even, because all were taken. We came late in Franz and didnt have the luxury to bid at beginning. Yet, had clan level 9 with all PvE skills, and now that clan will be put to level 10, even tho didnt keep the original principles and became a regular one.
I have now clan level 7, without CH, yet we are GROWING every week, new legits join us, nobody left the clan for another, tho some ppl left the game in 4 months since the clan was started almost to the day. We have almost no skills, just basics, yet all ppl work hard to get CRP, RB items, we managed to raise 4 bn even tho most are newbies and I got robbed of everything i got in 5 years of l2, even tho some on Kain, not on Franz. We started from NOTHING, no gear, no money, no CH, no clan, no skills and we are building legit clan on Franz, now in Naia.
Even tho I made such a fuss because the distribution to the best cheaters is unfair in general and GMs break the rules of the game, a CH is NOT needed for a clan, a fort is NOT needed, a castle is NOT needed, it all depends on the strenght and beliefs of those ppl that make the clan their desire to succeed in such a hostile words where everything is stacked against legits, yet we grow and prosper.
That is the beauty of it, triumph against all odds, and this is why I love L2 because it gives me the most hostile environment possible in which to succeed, and same thoughts are in many of the clannies.
Only GMs can stop us, otherwise our will will triumph.
And clanhalls are the MOST importand thing in the l2 clan gameplay..
I disagree.
I do impart understand ur frustration, however as someone else said, its how it happened last merges, if u where that concerned u would have read up on what happened before and ensured u got back the 2 bil or chosen to not take advantage of the flaw and accept that u get back what u paid.
i agree with maomao on this, a clan hall really isnt essential.
Once again, with old rules I wouldnt get one either, but it was the hope. When GMs pick who is worthy of something there is no hope except when they pick who isn't worthy. Cheaters should have been eliminated if they wanted to be fair.
So I know I wouldnt have much chances either way, but there is a principle that has been demolished and that is the sad part.
When there is a rule must be the same for all, if it isnt, we are in Mafia state and the problem of a lousy CH in Dion is insignifficant when we look at the consequences in general.
One rule for all is a basic principle of the law. Without it there is no law.
M
what they are doin is not rewarding cheaters....you would be screwed more if they didnt lock CH down after merge. cheaters have more money and can get a bunch of clan halls locking legits out easily, this way they can only get 1 CH.
Just because there are 10 clans bigger more legit than you and would get CH dont make them all cheaters....jesus
please stop trolling, the real questions are still unaswered ... "What happens if in time of CH distributing the receiving clan hold a siegeable ch?" ... thats what really matter! and well what date the CH are gonna get distributed and what are the criteria and when will/were the critearie measured ...
what they are doin is not rewarding cheaters....you would be screwed more if they didnt lock CH down after merge. cheaters have more money and can get a bunch of clan halls locking legits out easily, this way they can only get 1 CH.
not necessarily they still havent been specific about how they will be distributed.
Cheats maybe have more money, however last merges who benefited from the log in quick grab it if u can system ?
I know of mid range clans that got lucky n sold a couple of clan halls im sure the extra adena will have helped, yes they sold to cheats more than likely - where they cheats? no.
Some smaller pve clans also got them, did they cheat - no.
at least with a first come first served system everyone has an equal chance. Perhaps nc will suprise me and come up with an awesome and fair way to do this - but i wont hold my breath.
what they are doin is not rewarding cheaters....you would be screwed more if they didnt lock CH down after merge. cheaters have more money and can get a bunch of clan halls locking legits out easily, this way they can only get 1 CH.
Just because there are 10 clans bigger more legit than you and would get CH dont make them all cheaters....jesus
I dont know if cheaters have more money, certainly more than the 4 bn we have now, but there can be ppl playing the game for the market, I knew a few, sadly they quit when the market died, but may come back now. Besides, what makes you think cheaters would invest in Chs when it is clear that bidding out unlimited amounts will make the clan halls sell close to market value and would be hard to sell higher when so many ppl will quit after merger ? Makes no sense.
What i would have liked to know would have been a completely different thing:
Test the strenght of some top clans when their selfish fully geared top level bots would have been asked for some money for the clan. What holds together MOST bot clans is the fact that one or another managed to raise above others at some point, some by luck, some by favourable circumstances, some by vision of a good CL. Once they held most castles and managed to win some key heroes and other top bots, the others moved to them and they are top dogs, but that is the only thing that keeps them together, the epic farm, the castle holding, Oly farming and feeding, the power to pk and lock afk places at will, every bot wants to join the top botters, BUT, I was curious to see how would they react when asked for adena :) They have chars worth tens of thousands of euro, but I doubt would find the money for the clan... I guess I will not be able to see which clans are real and which are not by the amount they would bid.
M
I dont know if cheaters have more money, certainly more than the 4 bn we have now, but there can be ppl playing the game for the market, I knew a few, sadly they quit when the market died, but may come back now. Besides, what makes you think cheaters would invest in Chs when it is clear that bidding out unlimited amounts will make the clan halls sell close to market value and would be hard to sell higher when so many ppl will quit after merger ? Makes no sense.
What i would have liked to know would have been a completely different thing:
Test the strenght of some top clans when their selfish fully geared top level bots would have been asked for some money for the clan. What holds together MOST bot clans is the fact that one or another managed to raise above others at some point, some by luck, some by favourable circumstances, some by vision of a good CL. Once they held most castles and managed to win some key heroes and other top bots, the others moved to them and they are top dogs, but that is the only thing that keeps them together, the epic farm, the castle holding, Oly farming and feeding, the power to pk and lock afk places at will, every bot wants to join the top botters, BUT, I was curious to see how would they react when asked for adena :) They have chars worth tens of thousands of euro, but I doubt would find the money for the clan... I guess I will not be able to see which clans are real and which are not by the amount they would bid.
M
Still waiting on the answer as to how you lost everything from your original clan that you claim was "Taken" from you.
Still waiting on the answer as to how you lost everything from your original clan that you claim was "Taken" from you.
I cant post here because GMs will delete it at their request and find more pretext for ban.
I cant send you PM either as apaprently you opted out of it, so send me your email in PM and I will tell you.
M
I cant post here because GMs will delete it at their request and find more pretext for ban.
I cant send you PM either as apaprently you opted out of it, so send me your email in PM and I will tell you.
M
i cant beleive you are still posting on these boards lol
i figured all the countless times you were pwned in flame wars would have made you scamper away to hide under a rock somewhere.
i cant beleive you are still posting on these boards lol
i figured all the countless times you were pwned in flame wars would have made you scamper away to hide under a rock somewhere.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
Mark Twain
Besides, I love to look back and see I was right again and all the others against me were wrong.
M
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
Mark Twain
Besides, I love to look back and see I was right again and all the others against me were wrong.
M
I dont know if cheaters have more money, certainly more than the 4 bn we have now, but there can be ppl playing the game for the market, I knew a few, sadly they quit when the market died, but may come back now. Besides, what makes you think cheaters would invest in Chs when it is clear that bidding out unlimited amounts will make the clan halls sell close to market value and would be hard to sell higher when so many ppl will quit after merger ? Makes no sense.
What i would have liked to know would have been a completely different thing:
Test the strenght of some top clans when their selfish fully geared top level bots would have been asked for some money for the clan. What holds together MOST bot clans is the fact that one or another managed to raise above others at some point, some by luck, some by favourable circumstances, some by vision of a good CL. Once they held most castles and managed to win some key heroes and other top bots, the others moved to them and they are top dogs, but that is the only thing that keeps them together, the epic farm, the castle holding, Oly farming and feeding, the power to pk and lock afk places at will, every bot wants to join the top botters, BUT, I was curious to see how would they react when asked for adena :) They have chars worth tens of thousands of euro, but I doubt would find the money for the clan... I guess I will not be able to see which clans are real and which are not by the amount they would bid.
M
i thought you whined about cheater programs? then they will show up before you and outbid you 2billion first on several CH just to make sure they get one if i am not correct? What they do now lowers the damage to 1 CH. And in that way they are not rewarding cheaters.
Still waiting on the answer as to how you lost everything from your original clan that you claim was "Taken" from you.
Yeah, and send me your e-mail too. I will tell another side of story, cause I can't post on this issue here either. :D
i thought you whined about cheater programs? then they will show up before you and outbid you 2billion first on several CH just to make sure they get one if i am not correct? What they do now lowers the damage to 1 CH. And in that way they are not rewarding cheaters.
There is a difference between having a theoretical chance and none at all. But that is besides the point, the problem is that GMs break the rules, without timely warning and only for one category of players to benefit. This abuse wont stop here, whenever bots will ask for something they will get it as they got the merge, the CHs and exp places with nerf for legits to shield them and GMs from countless reports.
M
you better make the selection fair or i smell riots incoming.
Any arbitrary selection on arbitrary criteria cant be fair. Only if the rules are the same for all and we have time to prepare, then will be fair. Will we gain anything if riots happen ? Even if bots will riot as it is expected, the majority of them wont be happy, there wont be any change, the top bots will be happy and that is what matters, they are the ones that keep the game alive in NCSoft's view.
M
in game it says that we bid 2bil for some clanhals and 5 bil for others is this the way that it will go?or you first mesage that ncsoft will give clanhalls still is up?
In game when u open map/and open tab clan halls, there is info clan hals are taken by 'virtual npc" or some gms alts i bet.
But in game at auctioner some clans are biding already ..
so can we bid chs now or why the clans biding..or whats going on.
i tried petition in game to find answer, but of corse GM (name xxx) gave automatic answer and told me to check forum.
uhm you said you "lock them down" and they will not be on auction.
ofc i did bid now fast info pls.
and lock them correctly if this was a mistake. and ofc give those who did panic bidding now their bid back (without loss) thanks.
if this was a "smart people will find out" test... haha nice one.
I bid too, in the idea that this was the way to distribute them. But i highly doubt it because not all were taken, so the bots didnt know either, they would have been noticed beforehand.
M
I admit I am lost here.
They all have owners as GMs. If they have owners then 2 things could have happened:
1. They put them up for sale by mistake;
2. They didnt put adena in CH for rent and the server restart triggered somehow auction.
That is, if they really didnt put them up in purpose, but I doubt it, doesnt look like the right method to give them to the bots. That would be done safer to make sure only the ppl with the "right" to bid will be able to do it if the distribution method would include some bidding which I doubt, "active" clans deserve them for free.
M
so far all bidders seem to be reasonable clans (except for 2-3) so dunno what bots you talk about (except for the fact that 99% of the people in l2 are unlegit ... )
talking about Naia ofc but still waiting for an official comment from NC staff.
Mao definition of bot is hardcore.
Bot is practically anyone who play L2 and it is not him :)
He expect that there are few who aren't bots, but he just in case call them bot.
It is safer, he will not be disappointed making wrong assumption ;)
P.S. Huh CK going spam on official ... I guess that is backside of Merge :p
LOL, It's getting bit like bad comedy script. First TW badges , and now clan halls up for auction, no official announcement, no post etc etc etc etc. Why the hell they even start this thread if they were gonna do it like this ? It could have saved MaoMao hours of typing :P Somehow think its got to be a mistake.
Mao definition of bot is hardcore.
Bot is practically anyone who play L2 and it is not him :)
He expect that there are few who aren't bots, but he just in case call them bot.
It is safer, he will not be disappointed making wrong assumption ;)
P.S. Huh CK going spam on official ... I guess that is backside of Merge :p
Bot is someone who:
Botted, regardless if is botting still or not;
Was sitting AFK in bot party or was "powerleveled" by bots even if not AFK with minimal or null party contribution;
Is in a bot clan with botted skills, levels, castles, benefits from the cheaters in other ways, including raids and epics, hero feeding and whatnot;
Used exploits;
Bought adena and/or items for real money.
You can be legit if you trade with bots, like you buy epics, sell KE, mats or buy whatever, as long as your money and items are legit, some ppl believe you should make yourself everything, but I wouldnt go that far.
i know this is hardcore and i dont hide it, I even say it is talibanistic, but I believe that you cant be legit in a bot clan, even if you solo and dont go raids, because you have unlegit skills at least.
regarding reasonable clans, I dont know many clans, so I cant say anything about current bidders, but I think the ones which were supposed to be given CHs to either didnt bid, or didnt manage to get the CH they wanted, so it will be probably redone.
LOL, It's getting bit like bad comedy script. First TW badges , and now clan halls up for auction, no official announcement, no post etc etc etc etc. Why the hell they even start this thread if they were gonna do it like this ? It could have saved MaoMao hours of typing :P Somehow think its got to be a mistake.
Yes, this definitely looks like a mistake (because they do not know how their own game works, they failed when trying to lock down the clan halls - probably no money in clan wh, or they made some database mistake when they set up their dummy clans as clan hall owners). Question is if they can fix the current messy situation (clan halls ARE up for auction and many clans already placed bids on them) without screwing things up even further. At least one of our clan members saw the clan halls up for auction and managed to get in a bid with an alt clan, just in case :) (hard to trust NCSoft anymore after all these blunders, so better to just bid)
|+ on that we all feel the same
Yes, this definitely looks like a mistake (because they do not know how their own game works, they failed when trying to lock down the clan halls - probably no money in clan wh, or they made some database mistake when they set up their dummy clans as clan hall owners). Question is if they can fix the current messy situation (clan halls ARE up for auction and many clans already placed bids on them) without screwing things up even further. At least one of our clan members saw the clan halls up for auction and managed to get in a bid with an alt clan, just in case :) (hard to trust NCSoft anymore after all these blunders, so better to just bid)
(hard to trust NCSoft anymore after all these blunders, so better to just bid)
I did same, but i know it wont remain like this, I didnt look through the list of bidders, however I have a feeling some very "active" clans didnt manage to get a CH or the one they wanted, so it will be undone somehow, remains to be seen if we will get our money back or not, I am afraid not...
M
Can someone fill me in on why PVP clans, who multi box a train behind them to hit 80+, would need a clan hall? These are the guys who on Phoenix for example, were all of a sudden dropping clan tags to farm for fame as they call it.
I'd say only the big PVE clans and actual Role playing clans, should get 1st dibs on the clan halls, if the GM's are the ones distributing them out still as what was posted. PVP clans don't need clan halls. Sorry but it's the honest truth of the matter. When you guys start untagging toons prior to the server merge and claim it's farming fame, and apparently were doing that in and out of clan thing like a revolving door way before the server merge was ever discussed, to bot back exp loss from pvp deaths. Which we all know is another reason you all do it. Then you don't need a clan hall.
It kinda says you only want it as a status symbol to trash talk. In which case you really don't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the list to get a GM distributed clan hall. There's other clans in this game that could benefit from having a clan hall ,than those type of players. Hope the GM's thought of that prior to Clan Hall distribution.
If the clan halls were already distributed out. Then i'll just say that was too fast after the merge. We all know my opinions aren't worth anything, but i'm still gonna state what i think on this regardless.
They are not " distributed" they have all been put up for auction without an announcement. Probably happened after server restart today, so should be easy to reset again, but still just making a total mess of things is not helping anyone.
Can someone fill me in on why PVP clans, who multi box a train behind them to hit 80+, would need a clan hall? These are the guys who on Phoenix for example, were all of a sudden dropping clan tags to farm for fame as they call it.
I'd say only the big PVE clans and actual Role playing clans, should get 1st dibs on the clan halls, if the GM's are the ones distributing them out still as what was posted. PVP clans don't need clan halls. Sorry but it's the honest truth of the matter. When you guys start untagging toons prior to the server merge and claim it's farming fame, and apparently were doing that in and out of clan thing like a revolving door way before the server merge was ever discussed, to bot back exp loss from pvp deaths. Which we all know is another reason you all do it. Then you don't need a clan hall.
It kinda says you only want it as a status symbol to trash talk. In which case you really don't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the list to get a GM distributed clan hall. There's other clans in this game that could benefit from having a clan hall ,than those type of players. Hope the GM's thought of that prior to Clan Hall distribution.
If the clan halls were already distributed out. Then i'll just say that was too fast after the merge. We all know my opinions aren't worth anything, but i'm still gonna state what i think on this regardless.
+1
But the reason they need it is because they need cheap autobsoe when afk and they drop under a certain limit of hp. This is very funny when some forget autobsoe on and bsoe in sieges even if they are signed for the siege :D
So, most likely, alt clans for AFK will get the CH too.
They are not " distributed" they have all been put up for auction without an announcement. Probably happened after server restart today, so should be easy to reset again, but still just making a total mess of things is not helping anyone.
Precisely what I think it happened, now i am waiting an answer and especially if I will get my money back if bidding is cancelled, as it shoud be.
M
They are not " distributed" they have all been put up for auction without an announcement. Probably happened after server restart today, so should be easy to reset again, but still just making a total mess of things is not helping anyone.
not from restart....
im sure they forget to put adena in clan warehouse's and all clan hall releases :D
A simple post with the sentence "We are looking into it" would go a long way.
If the clan halls now all the sudden are on auction even though you said you would give them out manually to those that already owned a clan hall on the previous servers and you refuse to say/act/enforce what you have already said then I'm gone and trust me with the number of visitors that I have on my site every day I can potentially damage the player base and stop new players by making how you handle things publicly and easy for everyone to see.
That was not a threat, but I'm tired that we get ****** every time you people screw things up.
They are not " distributed" they have all been put up for auction without an announcement. Probably happened after server restart today, so should be easy to reset again, but still just making a total mess of things is not helping anyone.
Expect to hear NCsoft's official answer:
"Nope it's worked as intended. Surprise surprise! ROFL /PWNED noobs!!!"
Expect to hear NCsoft's official answer:
"Nope it's worked as intended. We gave Sace wrong information to give out (again) Surprise surprise! ROFL /PWNED ( again) noobs!!!"
Why not to log in the game and place your bid instead of ranting here that bots are getting them???
You are afraid of not getting reimbursement when they reset auctions once more? That would be a suicide from their side, they cannot do it.
And I believe that putting CHs on auction suddenly, without warning is the best way to eliminate automated bidding from bots. With announcement (especially if describing exact date and time of auction start) legit clans would not have a chance against auutomated bidders.
So stop whining - still some CHs with no bid on them yet :P
Why not to log in the game and place your bid instead of ranting here that bots are getting them???
You are afraid of not getting reimbursement when they reset auctions once more? That would be a suicide from their side, they cannot do it.
And I believe that putting CHs on auction suddenly, without warning is the best way to eliminate automated bidding from bots. With announcement (especially if describing exact date and time of auction start) legit clans would not have a chance against auutomated bidders.
So stop whining - still some CHs with no bid on them yet :P
lol nice advice you work for ncsoft? we allready bid but thats not the point
so plz go bid and let us w8 for an oficial answer
And I believe that putting CHs on auction suddenly, without warning is the best way to eliminate automated bidding from bots. With announcement (especially if describing exact date and time of auction start) legit clans would not have a chance against auutomated bidders.
this is irrelivant... because bots do not need to be logged in to do this... as you statd already.. it's all automated... bots will be the FIRST to know/check they are up for auction and to place the bid... the only chance in hell anyone will be able to legitimately bid is if they know specific dates to do it.
Why not to log in the game and place your bid instead of ranting here that bots are getting them???
You are afraid of not getting reimbursement when they reset auctions once more? That would be a suicide from their side, they cannot do it.
And I believe that putting CHs on auction suddenly, without warning is the best way to eliminate automated bidding from bots. With announcement (especially if describing exact date and time of auction start) legit clans would not have a chance against auutomated bidders.
So stop whining - still some CHs with no bid on them yet :P
Bidding is not the issue, its the fact they put mis information on the boards and no announcement about bids .
Its not my job or your job to say this is best bla bla bla. They already said what would happen and posted it at the start of this thread.There has been a screw up somewhere and no official response , thats why people are "whining ". :)
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
Thanks,
Cabel
Well finally some light in the tunnel i would say. tnx
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
Thanks,
Cabel
booo hiss! could you not have waited 5 more hours to deliver this news? My day of Forum Trolling was going so well. Now the forums will be quiet :eek:
Hi all.this post is not attented to offend anyone but would like to say my peace on this matter.I see people and have talked to people that bid on clan halls.Looks like they been trying for years to get ahead in game and they finally think they have a clan hall and now told it will be taken from them.What i am a bit lost on is that looks to me like ncsoft will be giving clan halls to clans that are large immortals,enmity,rdawgs ect.. all of which are probally active but have read alot about these clans.Chars getting banned every other week from them botting .OFC there active 24/7 makes them that way.like i said this is not attended to make people mad just want to say it really looks fair at this time.Looks like it is a equal amount of clans from each server that has placed a bid.Really would hate to see ncsoft reward clans thats have had chars in there that made them so active.Thanks for listening
still some clanhalls not locked and in auction again :) all rune and one goddard/schuttgart hall (on naia) lock them finally or this depate will be going on until midnight ^^
still some clanhalls not locked and in auction again :) all rune and one goddard/schuttgart hall (on naia) lock them finally or this depate will be going on until midnight ^^
Funny thing though, usually we joke around about how long soon (tm) takes but this time NCSoft put the clan halls up soon (for real, right now soon!) haha.
These NCSoft fellas, you can never tell about them :D
Funny thing though, usually we joke around about how long soon (tm) takes but this time NCSoft put the clan halls up soon (for real, right now soon!) haha.
These NCSoft fellas, you can never tell about them :D
I'm surprised NC doesn't have a copyright on Soon ...
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
Thanks,
Cabel
Now give us an answer regarding the ****ings TW badges...
Don't bother bidding on the clan halls. We're in the process of locking them down again. The halls are not going to be auctioned, and we did not open them for bidding. Unfortunately when we brought the servers up last night the bidding opened and we're just now closing it down. If anybody gets a clan hall today we'll take it back and fully reimburse them. So don't tie up your Adena, we're not going to allow them to be auctioned.
still some clanhalls not locked and in auction again :) all rune and one goddard/schuttgart hall (on naia) lock them finally or this depate will be going on until midnight ^^
PS: bids going to be reimbursed?
I got money back in CWH. All money, the 10% havent been retained, so good work fixing this error.
I am sure you can fix the other ones as well.
We want our inventory back as it was. You deleted mail, fine, you deleted messages, fine, at least community server is back to full features, it was impractical to keep all friends lists, blocked chars and so on with all these name changes, you will do the best to prevent name stealing and restore the names to the owners, fine, things were OK, but now we want the other things as promissed, full inventory transferred, CWH complete as it was. That was the promise, dont be afraid to call korea for help, they will know anyway, even if you dont, because I am sure ppl will find a way to call them.
M
once again NC is going to give the same people they say they do not want profitting the edge . Giving clan halls to the bots, farmers .and 3rd party clans. The bigger, more active clans are lead by botters and only stop bottinng when thier toons are maxed out . Thier clans are big because they can give crumbs to the lower people but they keep and sell tons of major items for in and out off game profit . Never give the legit little clans an edge and keep saying you do not want the botters but just keep rewarding them and see if they go away .
The new Clan Hall Distribution method has been posted. Please read the full details. This thread is being locked, please keep all commentary about this in the official Clan Hall Distribution (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=211335) thread.