don't be ridiculous it doesn't take an hour to get to 40, it takes 2-3 hours if you re pretty familiar with the game. And farmers, that currently log a couple of hundrend lvl 1s don't have the 400 to 600 hours to spare to level them to 40.
So because I am on an established server and it's full, the event stops short for me. But if was on one of the 3 new servers I get another week of this event.
That is shows a lot in my opinion, and good thing I read the forum to find this information.
SOMETHING should be given for a new event for a week for people on Naia and Chronos, full server or not that is totally unfair, and other words I can't say...
Well what they SHOULD have done was made the fragments still drop, and the blue specture things would spawn only on your highest lvl character regardless if on or not, 25 a day ...
instead of waisting this event and GIMPING those who legitly playing.
Oh well, something had to be done, may not have been the solution people like, but at least they have taken notice of the 1000's of threads made in the past week on this forum of complaints "I can't log on Q.Q".
I'm happy.
Fellows,
There is a problem with drop from spectors. Maybe some one noticed, that some times Light Specters drops "buff scrolls" and "varnish bags", but they are blank (empty) and when you pick them up - they do not go to your inventory and no notification in chat!
I will try to make screens/videos about this problem.
Nice ! Announced 1 day in advance ! WHAT THE HELL IS THIS !?
I've sold all of my fragments cause of good price and I didnt afk those spectres hardcore like the other people so I thought I'm making more frags than I could use for my Spectres of light .
Now I Have no fragments and I won't be able to get my rewards ... I'm forced to sell my Spectres aswell since they'll be useless for me ... Thanks NCsoft you're being great as usual.
Oh well, something had to be done, may not have been the solution people like, but at least they have taken notice of the 1000's of threads made in the past week on this forum of complaints "I can't log on Q.Q".
I'm happy.
If you think I can't log in thing is just from event then we all might as well quit the game, it's also because of mentee, mentor, and clan buff. SOO FIX THOSE AS WELL!
It is not possible to change how the Tersi Agathion works at this time. Therefore the difficult decision was made to end the event early on Chronos and Naia. Although the final stage of the event does not immediately solve the issue, it will bring an end to the issue a week earlier than otherwise. This was certainly not the ideal solution but believe it will alleviate some of the issue, and meanwhile we continue to work on solutions for the surrounding and related issues.
Why don't you simply remove the bracelet from all players? It's far more easier to remove the bracelet ID from all players inventory in the database than alter the source code. That way people can still drop shards by hunting and lvl 1 toons will go back to where they came from.
And if I judge from past petitions where GMs restored items in ppls inventories because of game glitches it is in NCWest powers to do this change. What do you say Sace? Is this feasible?
If you think I can't log in thing is just from event then we all might as well quit the game, it's also because of mentee, mentor, and clan buff. SOO FIX THOSE AS WELL!
Mate, i play on Naia, since the event started i have had daily issues trying to log in. Over the weekend it proved Impossible to log in without breaking my fingers.
Before the event started, the only time i would have issues logging in was on weekends, this was because of sieges going on and obvs people have alot more time to spare on weekends in general.
So yes! There may be issues with Mentors being logged on 24/7 or shop sellers doing business. This is another matter completely. But by stopping the event IT'S A START!
Everyone hounding the forum mods, remember that NC West cannot actually change the game code. That's all programmed in Korea by folks who could give less of a crap about non-Koreans. That is NCSoft's market. The rest of us are just to be exploited as much as possible and who cares what we think. We aren't a part of their country, culture, or game market, so we are less than trash in their eyes.
Getting on NC West does no good because they have control only over the server administration (and maybe some customize-able pieces), not the core game code. And getting on NC-Korea does about as much good as yelling louder when speaking to someone who obviously doesn't understand your language. In this case the language is: customer support for a market they have nothing but contempt for.
If you don't like paying $0 to play an admittedly cool, but perennially poorly supported game, there's always WoW (American company w/ great service), SWTOR (American company w/ great service), Rift (American Company w/ great service), or a plethora of single player games made by western developers who DO give a darn about Euro, N. American, and S. American game-players. Otherwise, give NCWest props for actually trying to do what they can to blunt NC-Korea's destructive ambivalence towards western gamers.
I could not agree more, but one part. IMHO the events are written by NCWest, otherwise we would be really huppy by now ( I mean the old players) as we would already have been rewarded with all the amazing items Korean servers reward their players. In the past the "West" events were really crap compared to Korean ones, reward wise!
On second thought maybe the code is provided by NcSfot and NcWest just decides on the type of the rewards, which again brings as to the point that the west guys can still change the event items or make one item dissappear (I dont know, something that looks like a bracelet maybe...?)
Why don't you simply remove the bracelet from all players? It's far more easier to remove the bracelet ID from all players inventory in the database than alter the source code. That way people can still drop shards by hunting and lvl 1 toons will go back to where they came from.
And if I judge from past petitions where GMs restored items in ppls inventories because of game glitches it is in NCWest powers to do this change. What do you say Sace? Is this feasible?
Now that I think about it you were able to remove the event drops from mobs drop list, so YES it was so easy to do the change I suggested.
But now it is already advertised on the official site that they will go the wrong way by removing the drops and not the bracelet.
Poorly thought and amateur decision if you ask me. I wonder who takes part in those meetings and decides?
Fellows,
There is a problem with drop from spectors. Maybe some one noticed, that some times Light Specters drops "buff scrolls" and "varnish bags", but they are blank (empty) and when you pick them up - they do not go to your inventory and no notification in chat!
I will try to make screens/videos about this problem.
It is not possible to change how the Tersi Agathion works at this time. Therefore the difficult decision was made to end the event early on Chronos and Naia. Although the final stage of the event does not immediately solve the issue, it will bring an end to the issue a week earlier than otherwise. This was certainly not the ideal solution but believe it will alleviate some of the issue, and meanwhile we continue to work on solutions for the surrounding and related issues.
Yes, it should help - not immediately, but after a few days people will run out of the drops and so they also won't need to sit afk to get more stuff from the agathions because they simply won't be able to use it anymore anyway. Of course it would have been better to disable the agathions instead, but if it's not possible to get that done in time by the devs, then that's just the way it is. This change will still mean that we will be back to normal on our servers a week sooner than initially scheduled, so I'm happy about it.
But please keep these problems in mind for the next "afk rewards" event. Yidao already posted that they had another event like this in Korea, so there's no excuse to have another catastrophe like that, you WERE warned :)
don't be ridiculous it doesn't take an hour to get to 40, it takes 2-3 hours if you re pretty familiar with the game. And farmers, that currently log a couple of hundrend lvl 1s don't have the 400 to 600 hours to spare to level them to 40.
1 hour, 2 to 3 hours, who cares. The point is that it's easier to get to 40 than it was when you had to grind out. The chain quest is a laughable joke, annoying to do just to get a certificate but still a joke.
Don't get me wrong , ofcourse it's a good thing that servers are going to be stable again , but the whole event has been ruined for me and I'm missing hundreds of millions worth of adena in rewards.
I've gotten 3 dyes valued at around 40m each from around 120 tries , not to mention the other neat things such as bsoes and brezes that have insane drop rate. And I still have around 700 spectres .... but I can't cash them out ....
lol its "OMG! Do something!! I can't log in!" and now its "WAIT!! You are ending the event early?" I love when people don't think long term. Don't worry, I'm sure the AFKers have a few fragments for you to use.
For once NCsoft did something which could be considered as appropriate action.
I bet the majority of QQers are lolfree players who came when game started to be f2p and they want to make some adena. But long time players want to play their mains, parties are damaged by missing people unable to log. I bet that you dont care about pvp, about tw, about cs. Just to farm event. You make me sick.
Tersi's Light started on January 4, almost exactly 1 week ago.
Looking at the online graphs of Chronos, before this event started atleast 12 of every day's 24 hours the server was off maximum cap, this meant that people would have difficulty logging in during that period, but it would not be impossible as it has become now. Since the event started, first day, was fine, no marked increase. 2nd and 3rd day the caps which have been raised to the highest yet got reached, around 6700-6800 judging by it, since then the cap got bolted down to 6000 exactly. Which resulted that in the last 96 hours the server has only been below the cap for 20 hours. All of these hours falling exactly when the NA night is and in Europe late morning - mid afternoon i.e. times at which nobody has the real ability to play except for this without lives and jobs (no offense to anyone) and a few isolated cases of night shifts andwhatnot.
The ammount of time someone could log in normally in the past 5 days was achieved in less than 2 days before this event.
Now tell us that the bots farming the event aren't a MAJOR contributer to the inability of many to log-in now...
NCSoft Korea, not the GMs, made the call. They figured having 2 toons on each account isn't a huge rampant abuse of the event than having 7 toons, so the servers with 7 toon max accounts get the 1 week axe. It's not because they are not unfair, they are just applying fixes as fast as they can. Stop complaining about it and play on, it's free and it's a privilage.
Don't get me wrong , ofcourse it's a good thing that servers are going to be stable again , but the whole event has been ruined for me and I'm missing hundreds of millions worth of adena in rewards.
I've gotten 3 dyes valued at around 40m each from around 120 tries , not to mention the other neat things such as bsoes and brezes that have insane drop rate. And I still have around 700 spectres .... but I can't cash them out ....
You will still be able to use whatever event items you have left for their rewards in the next week (NC said so), you just cannot get "MOAR" stuff, i.e. drops and use the agathion, which is where all the bots were botting at causing the issues.
lol its "OMG! Do something!! I can't log in!" and now its "WAIT!! You are ending the event early?" I love when people don't think long term. Don't worry, I'm sure the AFKers have a few fragments for you to use.
I know right! The community oftentimes has this happen and i don't understand, think about what you're saying and look at it from multiple sides. The few times i attempted to log in over the past few days -wanting to exp 2 alts w/o the ability to log even 1 of them in - have all been in vain. I would not even be able to log-in to farm these things, or sell them! 9 out of 10 times i am in class or otherwise engaged in studies during these times (like right now) and am unable to play during the times i can actually log in. And now i'm supposed to feel sorry for people who have no life or let their computer run 24 hours a day so they don't have to log out and try to log-in again adding to the issue? no tyvm
1 hour, 2 to 3 hours, who cares. The point is that it's easier to get to 40 than it was when you had to grind out. The chain quest is a laughable joke, annoying to do just to get a certificate but still a joke.
I care. Right now it takes 3 seconds per character. Raising it to 3 hours per character severely limits the number of characters farming this event. Surely it's not that difficult to grasp?
FarmerBob has 20 accounts each with 7 level 1s farming this event. Took him about 10 minutes to create the accounts and the lvl 1s. Force him to level those 140 characters to lvl 40 to farm this event he has to sit down and spend 420 hours leveling characters to 40. ie he won't do it. ie server load goes down
+1 to Zuff but I said the same from day 1 of this event..
making it a C grade item or having a lvl40+ equip requirement is something even the Korean Developers can do overnight and that would fix most of the issues here..
You will still be able to use whatever event items you have left for their rewards in the next week (NC said so), you just cannot get "MOAR" stuff, i.e. drops and use the agathion, which is where all the bots were botting at causing the issues.
Actually thats wrong, u wont be able to get new fragments, but still be able to use agathion, wich will leave us with about the same problem, bots will have ZILLIONS of fragments, and will continue using the agathion to grab specters, way to do it would have been completely shutting it off, fragment drops and agathions included, and let us be able to still collect the rewards.
But quoting the official source:
"With tomorrow's regular server maintenance, the Tersi's Light event will enter its final stage on Chronos and Naia only. In the final stage, Fragments of Light no longer drop from monsters and players have one final week to use their event items and receive rewards."
So GF, 1 extra week of bots with agathion up blocking login server.
NCSoft Korea, not the GMs, made the call. They figured having 2 toons on each account isn't a huge rampant abuse of the event than having 7 toons, so the servers with 7 toon max accounts get the 1 week axe. It's not because they are not unfair, they are just applying fixes as fast as they can. Stop complaining about it and play on, it's free and it's a privilage.
Well your theory is failing in its very base. Even if you had 1000+ toons in one account there is no technology that would allow you to log them all at the same time :D. The problem lies in multiple accounts creation. the 2 toons/account limit was introduced for toon names abuse.
Dont fall for this "Trully-Free" alegation. It is not a free as a free pvp server. Actually there are people that pay for specific service and they lose their money because of this stupid event/bot. If it was really free then there should be no payment of any kind.
Even if your pc is a bit outdated you could run at least two clients at the same time, not to mention 3d party software that has much more less requirements. Now imagine a friction of the registered users to be running a second box as well. User limit reached in no time, because the 2nd box is not used for buffing, (this suggests a 3d box for a biger friction of players this time) rather it is a sitting duck for event crap.
OP: dont you understand that thousands of regular legit players are having huge problems to log and enjoy the game MAINLY because of this event?
Quit the QQ and try to realize you are not alone here.
The event sucked anyway.
Well what they SHOULD have done was made the fragments still drop, and the blue specture things would spawn only on your highest lvl character regardless if on or not, 25 a day ...
instead of waisting this event and GIMPING those who legitly playing.
Nice ! Announced 1 day in advance ! WHAT THE HELL IS THIS !?
I've sold all of my fragments cause of good price and I didnt afk those spectres hardcore like the other people so I thought I'm making more frags than I could use for my Spectres of light .
Now I Have no fragments and I won't be able to get my rewards ... I'm forced to sell my Spectres aswell since they'll be useless for me ... Thanks NCsoft you're being great as usual.
Yeah sucks that us legit players have to be puneshed because those ******* bots ruined the event (and server) for us.
And yeah, hardcore grinding makes good fragments. I get about 1K in about 2-3 hours in Swampland. Right now I have a bit over 1K and ~250 specters left...
Its good they did something to try and reduce the rediculas login problems.
QQ'ing about the event is not really reasonable concidering it was contributing heavily to 2-hour attempts at logging in after some random disconnect, which was annoying nearly everyone.
If making the event shorter does fix the login issues, then whatever, BUT, what will be done to compensate players on Chronos and Naia? Could you drop us 25 x 7 specters in our wh, and a bunch of frags? Or at least give us another benefit?
It is completely unfair that you are ending the event early on Chronos and Naia, and not on the other servers. It means the other servers will all get 200m-500m more than Chronos/Naia players. Redunkulous. And we all know that down the road, the servers will merge, and this will screw us Chronos/Naia players.
I sure do hope a compensation is coming our way, because this is NOT a failing of the players, but a failing of NCSoft.
NCSoft allows the bots.
NCSoft requires mentors to be logged on 24/7 to give mentee bonus.
NCSoft made an event that requires being logged on 2 hours a day.
Yesterday I was leveling up a new character, and when I went to windhill for the quest, there were about 50 dead bots on the floor, all with nice random alpha-numeric names. Couldn't you focus on those instead and let us get the rewards as the other servers do?
with this, NCsoft show their weakness against bots... i cant understand other way.
They should help players, NOT the bots... bots got 43253853 specters, we, legit players got 7daysx25 specters = 175 specters.
thank you NCSoft for giving bots AGAIN a huge advantage to normal players... or this is a message, everyone should do like farmers? i hope not... and i hope even if they stop the event now, to ban all those lvl 1 chars, to screw them (and their specters), but is just a dream.
what should we do, normal players, to have same advantage like bots? i hope i get an NORMAL answer... to understand how to play. Farmers got milions of dyes, bcos they had milions of specters/fragments, we players, have to buy from them, if we want dyes... so they will get a lot of adena... a lot of income for them... nice job ncsoft. Maybe you get something from this also :D
Fellows,
There is a problem with drop from spectors. Maybe some one noticed, that some times Light Specters drops "buff scrolls" and "varnish bags", but they are blank (empty) and when you pick them up - they do not go to your inventory and no notification in chat!
I will try to make screens/videos about this problem.
Some one noticed this?
Similar thing happened on a party i was with,we had a twillight drop at garden,the person who did the pikup did pikup it but because party was finders keepers later we switched it into random,he droped it on the ground and pikup,but no message that someone pikup the item,noone had it on his invetory.The person who did drop it,reloged to see if it was still in his invetory,it was not,we searched the ground ,it was not,item dissapeared.......
Now,about ending the event,i see it as the only solution Ncwest can give immedietely for the problems of not been able to login in server/lags and dc.
I want to know too,if the players that bought items from from coins shop this week,will get a refund for the money they spend,since the time of items like 50%xp rune scrolls/vitality potions was still ticking while we were not able to login in server and benefit from them.
Welcome Tersi, the Angel of Light! During the event, the gameworld of Lineage II will be plunged into darkness unless players work together to boost Tersi's power. Read all about it on the event page (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/tersis-light.php)!
Update: due to extremely high-server capacity on Chronos and Naia caused by this event, the Tersi's Light event will end 1 week early on those two servers. On Chronos and Naia, the event will enter its final stage (when Fragments of Light do not drop from monsters) with tomorrow's maintenance. The event will continue as normal on Shilen, Magmeld and Bartz.
Sace why did u alow this kind of event where players cry that it ends so they can play without server lag.
I am prty sure you are aware that on lv 85+ 1-2 sec lag spike is party wipe . Not to mention you get DC and instance CD. Can l2 apply same party system from aion where party member stays in party for some mins after dc.
Mate, i play on Naia, since the event started i have had daily issues trying to log in. Over the weekend it proved Impossible to log in without breaking my fingers.
Before the event started, the only time i would have issues logging in was on weekends, this was because of sieges going on and obvs people have alot more time to spare on weekends in general.
So yes! There may be issues with Mentors being logged on 24/7 or shop sellers doing business. This is another matter completely. But by stopping the event IT'S A START!
+1
The events that require you to stay online 24hours and can be made with multiple accounts and the mentor system which allow bots to stay up 24/7 with mentors buffs,ruined the servers.Even if there were no bots at all,on hour servers people play from all over the world,different timezones and real life schedules mean say your mentor to leave toon online 24/7 which is a disaster everyone is also using a different toon/account for shop mode.
For once NCsoft did something which could be considered as appropriate action.
I bet the majority of QQers are lolfree players who came when game started to be f2p and they want to make some adena. But long time players want to play their mains, parties are damaged by missing people unable to log. I bet that you dont care about pvp, about tw, about cs. Just to farm event. You make me sick.
you're right... you dont care about the rest of players, you care only about you and your power ranger guys. Cool for you. I hope, NCsoft will come one day, and ban all those who use the power of ranger in pvp.
I have this account from 2006, i'm old player also, but I NEVER USED another soft to help me with anything in game. If you consider that ncsoft did a good job, why dont you ask to ban ppl who really use 3rd party software? Maybe like your friends who miss...
this event was a good thing for those who just started, and i care about them, because some are my friends. you dont care, of course, because you have xxxx milions adena (maybe from farming with bots, dunno... i just guess)
Well, good luck now to log in your power rangers faster :)
The events that require you to stay online 24hours and can be made with multiple accounts and the mentor system which allow bots to stay up 24/7 with mentors buffs,ruined the servers.Even if there were no bots at all,on hour servers people play from all over the world,different timezones and real life schedules mean say your mentor to leave toon online 24/7 which is a disaster everyone is also using a different toon/account for shop mode.
if you read the event description, you DONT have to stay 24 hours online... is only 2 hours/day.
But farmers dont care about us, they let their bots online 24/7... that screwed us.
I liked the event, it was a chance for me to get a legendary dye, i got 6 parts till now. I need 4 more... if i wont find the rest of 4 at resonable price, i'm forced to sell those 6...
Of course, those with money, who buy adena, never care about the rest of players who like to get their stuff in game normally, BY PLAYING... is something different, is hard to explain :). They care for themself, they care only about their login problems, well, i had login problems also, but i managed to log everyday at peak hours in 5-10-15 mins...
well, that's it, power of bots is unlimited... we cant fight with them, only ncsoft can, but they showed us, they DONT WANT TO FIGHT, they just want to avoid them... our power is to avoid buying adena from them, but unfortunately, there are too many players who buy from them.
don't make a post like that if you have no clue about progs like zR as those users are able to login way faster then any legit player..
imo just IP ban ppl that have 15+ accounts logged in with lvl1 chars or disconnect them first and see how fast they relog as with the OG clients they'll login back ******ed fast..
if anything this event proved how big an issue certain progs are for this game and the inability of NC Soft to address it but then again F2P means less money for real GM support so yeah w/e..
Therefore the difficult decision was made to end the event early on Chronos and Naia. Although the final stage of the event does not immediately solve the issue, it will bring an end to the issue a week earlier than otherwise. This was certainly not the ideal solution but believe it will alleviate some of the issue, and meanwhile we continue to work on solutions for the surrounding and related issues.
Maybe players from Naia and Chronos can have a special event that CAN'T BE EXPLOITED, without tradeable items (maybe only thru Dimensional Merchant), even that is an very old event, as compensation of all period that people couldn't log and play as everyone wanted.
LE: Btw, today all town had a lot of lvl 1 chars near GK's....In some towns you could't even target GK if you didn't knew its name. This means that will be a very hard week to connect until next maintenance. It will be "dreamland of bots" because i didn't saw any banned char or it had any effect if some accounts have been banned. And you know why? Because people should be banned using some hardware id identification. There are even private servers that use this kind of ban wich means that even you change ip, you still cannot connect to server anymore. You should think about. Anyway, you can setup in server announcement "welcome to dreamland of bots" because as i saw you don't even change anything in database. But, i am 99% sure that server files contain informations about effect, id correlation with db, min lvl to be aquired, AI relationships, html files, etc(things that you probably you can't modify as you wish according to a contract), but in database you can setup if tradeable or not, if it have sell price, weight, etc. If items had setup as untradeable, this was a really nice event. :(
Maybe players from Naia and Chronos can have a special event that CAN'T BE EXPLOITED, without tradeable items (maybe only thru Dimensional Merchant), even that is an very old event, as compensation of all period that people couldn't log and play as everyone wanted.
Events that people sign up accordingly to their levels would be excellent. I would like to see all those ******s who make lvl 1 chars just to farm and sell to try to join level based events.
Small arena based team vs team or capture the flag events would be fun and everyone who participated when on the winning team would get a reward or a currency to buy scrolls/items that would be useful to them.
Rewards could be level based because since I returned I have participated in two event Santa and Tersi and I'm full of D and C scrolls. I mean come on what is the fun factor in such rewards?
Small arena based team vs team or capture the flag events would be fun and everyone who participated when on the winning team would get a reward or a currency to buy scrolls/items that would be useful to them.
You think that i can win a pvp with lvl 90+ chars as long that i am only 87? This kind of event will be farmed a lot by high lvl parties wich will become more rich that are now. And trust me, now they are very rich.
Rewards could be level based because since I returned I have participated in two event Santa and Tersi and I'm full of D and C scrolls. I mean come on what is the fun factor in such rewards?
Here i'm agree with you. What can i do with an armor seal scroll D grade at lvl 87? Same about low lvl enchant scrolls, etc that anyway have a very low price at shop.
You think that i can win a pvp with lvl 90+ chars as long that i am only 87? This kind of event will be farmed a lot by high lvl parties wich will become more rich that are now. And trust me, now they are very rich
Since we are on official and gathering 2.000 people per team on a single arena would make it unplayable small level range groups could be used for example
91-99
85-90
76-85
61-75
which would make small teams of 300 vs 300 which would be pretty awesome. Seen it working and was plenty of fun. Sometimes teams were balanced other times they were unbalanced and one team was obliterated.
Let all those lvl 1 twinks to participate in the event to get non grade/ D grade rewards lol.
I care. Right now it takes 3 seconds per character. Raising it to 3 hours per character severely limits the number of characters farming this event. Surely it's not that difficult to grasp?
FarmerBob has 20 accounts each with 7 level 1s farming this event. Took him about 10 minutes to create the accounts and the lvl 1s. Force him to level those 140 characters to lvl 40 to farm this event he has to sit down and spend 420 hours leveling characters to 40. ie he won't do it. ie server load goes down
FarmerBob is run by a program. A program that is run by a live user who just presses a button once. FarmerBob's program user doesn't care how many items or virtual currency to gathers in one session because FarmerBob's program user can make more FarmerBobs to run in the same session. Surely the concept of cheap labor is not that difficult to grasp. Cheap as in "doesn't cost a thing in this game because it's F2P". Oh in case you were wondering, FarmerBob's real name is sdklfjkl43, which means "Hi, I am 2 mouse clicks and keyboard mash adena/item farmer, can't talk now, I have to work"
FarmerBob is run by a program. A program that is run by a live user who just presses a button once. FarmerBob's program user doesn't care how many items or virtual currency to gathers in one session because FarmerBob's program user can make more FarmerBobs to run in the same session. Surely the concept of cheap labor is not that difficult to grasp. Cheap as in "doesn't cost a thing in this game because it's F2P". Oh in case you were wondering, FarmerBob's real name is sdklfjkl43, which means "Hi, I am 2 mouse clicks and keyboard mash adena/item farmer, can't talk now, I have to work"Farmer bob has to do more then press one button to get his bots running. Farmerbob has to tend to his bots to ensure they aren't stuck or crashed. Farmerbob doesn't have automated abilities to do the beginner quests so his bots end up taking a lot longer to hit 40 then if he had a roomful of cheap labor banging out the quests. Obviously farmerbob found it much much cheaper to setup level 1s afk then to level up a bunch of level 40s (which could then be used for further farming).
Yeah because they didnt prove that they did have the tools to limit character creation when they made shillin and magmeld servers have a 2 character limit. What a joke. They have the tools, the sollution is staring them in the face but they would rather punish their paying and playing customers rather than potentially lose a new player who might want to play on chronos or naia. That is extremely narrow minded, shortsighted, and greedy. Nobody is going to buy your 7 day hats if they cant even log on and enjoy them. Taking away the drop part of the event for the players who can log on isnt going to stop people from making level 1 characters all day for free money. Even if you cant get fragments, you can still get drops from a lvl 1 seed! Ncsoft doesnt even know how their own dam event works!
Welcome Tersi, the Angel of Light! During the event, the gameworld of Lineage II will be plunged into darkness unless players work together to boost Tersi's power. Read all about it on the event page (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/tersis-light.php)!
Update: due to extremely high-server capacity on Chronos and Naia caused by this event, the Tersi's Light event will end 1 week early on those two servers. On Chronos and Naia, the event will enter its final stage (when Fragments of Light do not drop from monsters) with tomorrow's maintenance. The event will continue as normal on Shilen, Magmeld and Bartz.
Nice fix! Server full and more lags, thx.
Farmer bob has to do more then press one button to get his bots running. Farmerbob has to tend to his bots to ensure they aren't stuck or crashed. Farmerbob doesn't have automated abilities to do the beginner quests so his bots end up taking a lot longer to hit 40 then if he had a roomful of cheap labor banging out the quests. Obviously farmerbob found it much much cheaper to setup level 1s afk then to level up a bunch of level 40s (which could then be used for further farming).
You seem to know more about this than I do. Perhaps you are a Tool of the Botting Program as well? For your buttinski info, if you took the time to watch the bot train in the Wasteland, you will see a bot would SoE randomly after the train kills a quest mob. Also, I will also clue you in on something else. Before GoD, it was pointless to PK bots because they would just go back to town, find the nearest newbie buffer and go out to the same spot. As Bill O'Reilly says, "There is no explaination for that other than Alien Bot program".
the event is over and server still full, it will take like 1-2 weeks till the farmers will logout their bots... cool. We still cant log in, so, better send a GM and kick those bots out.
Now we are without event and without spots on server... nice.
What will be tomorrow?
All ending the event does is make the farmers/botters go to the new servers with the accounts they already made and lag out those servers, which in return makes it so they are full and the players most likely go to chronos and Naia because they are not full... Not a real solution!
Dear Sace , ive notice that the fragments of lights arent dropping anymore , but Sace these werent the problem. its about the specters that are gain able by being logged in , that curses mass logins of lv 1 toons .
so currently not alot changed apart from the fact that ppl that are online cant even do event being save in town cuz fragment price went up by like x100 per piece due to fragments not dropping from mobs as far as i am being told
so no serious grinding due to risk of getting disconnect , and cant savely enjoy the least of the event :(
i know your mostly just the voice of nc thats speaking to us but it be awesome if u slap some of them so they can help us :D
and people wonder why ncsoft doesnt act on everything. lol u complain about something and then the moment it gets fixed people complain about something else haha ****
thousandssss of people saying how stupid the event is blabla and now people crying that they get rid of it so YOU can login hahaha
and people wonder why ncsoft doesnt act on everything. lol u complain about something and then the moment it gets fixed people complain about something else haha ****
thousandssss of people saying how stupid the event is blabla and now people crying that they get rid of it so YOU can login hahahaWith all due respect that wasn't a fix...
Cuz my ex post was deleted due "non-constructive post", let me make constructive post!
Finishing quest on Chronos and other server ended like this, Specter of light still droping with spawned little what ever it is. So as we all know bots farmed plenty of fragments of light and deleting drop of fragments realy dont help much, cuz problem was on logged ppl/bots farming specters, get it?
Here is screenshoot showing how we are still getting that crap.(i wont post facepalm pic!)
This measure doesn't solve anything. I have not been able to connect and my temporal armor is over soon... and bots continue into the server, while the real players cant connect :/
Thanks NC!
This is the first time i see them do something i suggested (as well as many others), the world must be going to hell.
Let's celebrate this wise choice!
Ncsoft just put a bandage on a healthy leg because the arm was bleeding. Ending the drop part of the event FIXES NOTHING. THE PROBLEM WAS PEOPLE LOGGING ON AND MAKING NEW ACCOUNTS/CHARACTERS AND LEAVING THEM ON. THEY CAN AND ARE STILL DOING THIS. THE SERVERS WERE HEAVY 5 MINUTES AFTER THEY CAME BACK UP. THIS SOLVES NOTHING.
Whats worse about this being ended early on chronos/nia and not the other servers, is that this is an event the older population needs badly. New players on shillin and magmeld dont need an event that gives them legendary dyes for their level 50 characters. Chronos and naians do. We are being blatantly punished for ncsoft's incompetence and there is no benefit being awarded to us at all!
Ncsoft HAS the ability to set how many characters you can make on a server. WE KNOW THIS, THEY SET SHILLIN AND MAGMELD TO A 2 CHARACTER LIMIT. IT'S A SERVER SWITCH, A FLIP OF THE WRIST. IT WOULD TAKE THEM 5 SECONDS TO DO. All they need to do is stop new character creation on chronos/naia for a week. THATS IT. problem solved. You only need to leave your character on for 2 hours to collect the lights, the problem has never been people staying on all day, it's botter automatically making new accounts and characters all day long until server capacity.
Ncsoft just put a bandage on a healthy leg because the arm was bleeding. Ending the drop part of the event FIXES NOTHING. THE PROBLEM WAS PEOPLE LOGGING ON AND MAKING NEW ACCOUNTS/CHARACTERS AND LEAVING THEM ON. THEY CAN AND ARE STILL DOING THIS. THE SERVERS WERE HEAVY 5 MINUTES AFTER THEY CAME BACK UP. THIS SOLVES NOTHING.
Whats worse about this being ended early on chronos/nia and not the other servers, is that this is an event the older population needs badly. New players on shillin and magmeld dont need an event that gives them legendary dyes for their level 50 characters. Chronos and naians do. We are being blatantly punished for ncsoft's incompetence and there is no benefit being awarded to us at all!
Ncsoft HAS the ability to set how many characters you can make on a server. WE KNOW THIS, THEY SET SHILLIN AND MAGMELD TO A 2 CHARACTER LIMIT. IT'S A SERVER SWITCH, A FLIP OF THE WRIST. IT WOULD TAKE THEM 5 SECONDS TO DO. All they need to do is stop new character creation on chronos/naia for a week. THATS IT. problem solved. You only need to leave your character on for 2 hours to collect the lights, the problem has never been people staying on all day, it's botter automatically making new accounts and characters all day long until server capacity.
Big plus one, what idiot takes the part of the event that is not causing lag and leaves the part that does? Not only that they think the botters, gold sellers wont just go to these 3 newbie servers, the gold is worth more there!
Those servers now become what naia and chronos was and you now anger new players which is also not smart since they are the ones you want to buy items... They could have done something better, instead they mess up the game with no shots on chronos and screw players like myself whom have been here for a long time and paid many real dollars.. GOOD GAME!
BTW I had a thread called Cheated Event, my thread got moved, I must have told some truth, watch this thread disappear as well...
Yesterday I was leveling up a new character, and when I went to windhill for the quest, there were about 50 dead bots on the floor, all with nice random alpha-numeric names. Couldn't you focus on those instead and let us get the rewards as the other servers do?
There must have been at least 40 - 50 of these guys lying dead around all of Windmill Hill.
OT: I'm also from NB :-)
I am old player like many other ... and is not the first time when i say : PK bot !! we need to clean our garden !! NCSOFT is blind because they whant to blind.... and when i propose 1 clan only for bot ... a clan who have suport from all real player and nobody atack them !! but.... no1 whant to embrace my ideea and evr1 accept this garbage : BOT !!! I pk bot whit my new char i sacrifice the karma lvl 70 and i will try to pk bot today tommorow ... after tommorow... but so many player running after me to kill me just for green name even if i have a titlle " I PK BOT "..... so what can i do ??..... pk bot.... pk bot.....
I am old player like many other ... and is not the first time when i say : PK bot !! we need to clean our garden !! NCSOFT is blind because they whant to blind.... and when i propose 1 clan only for bot ... a clan who have suport from all real player and nobody atack them !! but.... no1 whant to embrace my ideea and evr1 accept this garbage : BOT !!! I pk bot whit my new char i sacrifice the karma lvl 70 and i will try to pk bot today tommorow ... after tommorow... but so many player running after me to kill me just for green name even if i have a titlle " I PK BOT "..... so what can i do ??..... pk bot.... pk bot.....
I don't disagree with anything you say, but in truth, killing bots solves little. NCsoft is the one who should be handling these bots, not us. I am not willing to go around and kill bots because it accomplishes so little... they'll just come back. I'd rather spend that time actually doing something interesting.
I'm interested to know why there were so many bots on Windmill Hill to begin with - what's so special about that place?
From my point of view heres what hapened and who benifits.
1. A legit player who farms legally will not have alot of fragments to use so stopping the frag drops and keeping the 25 per 2 hr lights going doesnt help him.
2. The cheater who defies the eula has 30k or more and a few lights(i saw a shop a guy had 35k or more for sale) now he can continue to farm the lights and reap the rewards for his cheating. He still logs in all his lvl 1 toons and continues for the next week while we the legit players have to now stand back and watch as he makes his mula while we get nothing.
My question is why are the cheaters benifiting from this change and the legit players are getting the pole? If your gonna change the event stop the 25 per 2hr lights as well so everyone pays the same price instead of legit taking the brunt.
Or make level minimum for take Agathion lvl 76 (or 40).
A nice fix could be
"In order to create another character out of the 7 available slots the previous one should finish the 2nd class change otherwise you can't make a new one"
No event specific, Not limiting available slots but just forcing all those stupid bot alts to level them if they want to abuse any event.
"In order to create another character out of the 7 available slots the previous one should finish the 2nd class change otherwise you can't make a new one"
No event specific, Not limiting available slots but just forcing all those stupid bot alts to level them if they want to abuse any event.
After Naia was started yesterday after maintenance, in 3 minutes server was already heavy and guess what... in Aden you could't see gatekeeper thru lvl 1 chars and agathions. I spoke with other friends and they told me that already saved a list on pc with names of all GK's to use "/target" command to use teleports. I don't understand, if some players (including me) want to help ban bots for free, why ncsoft don't recrute some of us that can improve the gameplay and who can have only ban/kick rights following some rules imposed by NC West (we also can record when we ban people and reason). We can also use for this some temporarly accounts created by staff that can't speak/pm/trade/do anything except ban/kick/record. Think about!
I am old player like many other ... and is not the first time when i say : PK bot !! we need to clean our garden !! NCSOFT is blind because they whant to blind.... and when i propose 1 clan only for bot ... a clan who have suport from all real player and nobody atack them !! but.... no1 whant to embrace my ideea and evr1 accept this garbage : BOT !!! I pk bot whit my new char i sacrifice the karma lvl 70 and i will try to pk bot today tommorow ... after tommorow... but so many player running after me to kill me just for green name even if i have a titlle " I PK BOT "..... so what can i do ??..... pk bot.... pk bot.....
I like your enthusiasm.
But PK bots is useless.
I remember mine first 'personal' fight with bot(*).
It was long time ago when Pavel Ruins were just added.
There was one small farming dwarf bot.
It was set to run on path attacking only one specific mob(some drone) to farm some mats. Problem was that mob had excellent exp and I was angry seeing that bot.
I was writing petitions, nothing had changed
I was PK him several times.
Bot was faster at mine spot that I was de-karma .. ignoring me still farmin same mobs&mats...
I found way how to turn him pink (using summon) and for few hours I was enjoying 'pvp'
I was training him with huge trains (sometimes dying from too big train)
I guess after 10 days I lost whole hope.
I found him deleveling at guards ... to return to same spot.
Fighting with real farmer bot is like PK guards in Town expecting better items in shop!
So just get rest :)
(*) It was not first bot met, but first bot what I could learn long time .. I could say mine first personal bot ;)
I don't disagree with anything you say, but in truth, killing bots solves little.
killing bots solve nothing...
when i xped in hot springs i killed bot that he came back in same place by himself...
i saw that character even sold stuff in shop and buy ss for his pet!
(well i think it was buying bsss for his buffalo)
and to be honest... i just wasted an hour of PK/PVP (pvp bcus i could make bot PVP status) bots and then back my PK status to neutral. You can go to Hot springs and see by yourself.
the funniest thing is that bots are in every spot i came.
ruins, cruma, ivory, ol mahum, sel mahum, hot springs,silent valley,monastery of silence, wall of argos, crypts of disgrace
and in 90% cases ive seen the bot characters were Female Destro with summoned buffalo.
1. How is limiting the amount of chars per account going to help with this if u can create a new account in 10 seconds? Even if 1 char per account, u can get 100 accs with 1 chars. Dumb suggestion.
2. NCWest cannot change the event on itself. So stop with the "make agathion for lvl 99+ ppl", "make agathion not give more specters" and all that. Doesn't make sense when they cannot change it. So stop the useless spam.
3. Yes, it would be awesome to have 1 guy running around all towns 24/7 de-logging all lvl 1 chars afk. I would love one of the guys who posted that to run around ALL the map ALL day long disconnecting ppl so they log back 10 seconds after.
4. They left te agathions so u can actually use the crap u could gather these last days. Why? Bcos if they don't u will get 1000 morons complaining how they have frags/specters but can't use them. They give u one week to use all that so ppl **** and don't complain.
5. When the "lvl 1 chars afk farming for specters" realize that not even buying all the lights on the server they will be able to use them, they'l log out. What the heck are they gonna do with 5k specters if they have no lights? Sell them? To who? Ppl who actually played and got the specters themselves? The 25 specters a day goes +/- around the amount of lights u get with 3hs of party farming. That's around the avg ppl log. This means that for each freak logged in 10hs a day, there's a guy logged in for 1hs so again, the amount of specters/lights is balanced. So even if they had endless specters, there's not way to use them and ppl will not buy them. Give them 1 or 2 more days, they seem to have a slow brain to realize only specters is useless.
What they did was patching up a mess that came from having different log in policies than Korea. They can't do more than this so stop complaining. Best fix with the few tools they had. Now shut up and keep pressing log in or go have a life. You chose.
Give it some more days and it will be totally off. :cool:
Yes, we know. Specters of Light have a lower success rate with the Fragments, but it is possible for it to continue to evolve and drop rewards. This was expected. The point of ending the event early on Chronos and Naia did not promise to fix the issue as early as January 11-- but it will still fix the issue on those servers a week earlier than otherwise (January 18, as opposed to the issue continuing until January 25).
Well I loved this event and I'm sad to see it go. Since you have to summon a specter and the feed it light frags I didn't feel it was bot friendly, nor the source of people's log in problems. Personally even before sieges when it seems hardest to log in it only takes me 3-5 min per account. Which isn't that bad. I wish people would stop QQing about everything and just play the game.
Yes, we know. Specters of Light have a lower success rate with the Fragments, but it is possible for it to continue to evolve and drop rewards. This was expected. The point of ending the event early on Chronos and Naia did not promise to fix the issue as early as January 11-- but it will still fix the issue on those servers a week earlier than otherwise (January 18, as opposed to the issue continuing until January 25).
Not good but still better than nothing. And about lags - check again how even affect to game and npc server. I bet that when event will be over it will be no any lag.
I'd like to say ty nc for this event *ironic mode* cause of this event i had +/- 2 weeks w/o possibility to log + lost my mentees big thx for that ****
Not good but still better than nothing. And about lags - check again how even affect to game and npc server. I bet that when event will be over it will be no any lag.
actually it is nothing for the people who wanted to play during those 2 weeks. Granting a possible benefit to the players in week 3 days nothing for the players in week 1 and 2.
I have not been able to log on to Chrono's since the event started and even right now i STILL can't log onto Chrono's. This is not a hard problem to fix....more like NC's attitude towards their non-korean customers is what's causing all the problems here.
Every other MMO out there has fixed their bot/RMT problems and even server load problems (and weirdly enough NC HAS fixed the problem on one of their other MMO's i play but they can't fix it here????).
With this lack of customer support or even care for their customers i'm suprised Lineage 2 is even still around.
Yes, we know. Specters of Light have a lower success rate with the Fragments, but it is possible for it to continue to evolve and drop rewards. This was expected. The point of ending the event early on Chronos and Naia did not promise to fix the issue as early as January 11-- but it will still fix the issue on those servers a week earlier than otherwise (January 18, as opposed to the issue continuing until January 25).
explain that to the ppl that have been unable to login during this event.. I made the mistake of logging out yesterday and have been unable to log back in today.. the whole day..
so why is it so hard to kick lvl1 chars that are afk with summon out from the servers ??? if ur GM/Dev team needs examples of how to script it let me know cause it's very simple to code..
Yes, we know. Specters of Light have a lower success rate with the Fragments, but it is possible for it to continue to evolve and drop rewards. This was expected. The point of ending the event early on Chronos and Naia did not promise to fix the issue as early as January 11-- but it will still fix the issue on those servers a week earlier than otherwise (January 18, as opposed to the issue continuing until January 25).
I love how you guys refer to this as an "issue": The inability for players to log in for a whole week because the servers are overrun with thousands of level 1 characters created to abuse the event that should never have gone live in the first place.
An "issue" is a technical problem. Something breaks and has to be fixed. An unhandled exception crashing the client is an issue. Log files using up all the disk space on your data server is an issue. A dying NIC dropping connections on your webserver is an issue.
The havoc wrecked on the gameworld due to a functional event working as intended is not an "issue". It is a failure of design. The Tersi event works, exactly as it was designed to. But its design is horrible. Worse than horrible, so bad that it had the effect of a week-long denial of service attack on Chronos and Naia.
NC West failed to predict what happened when the Tersi event went live. I won't ask why you couldn't see the obvious, I don't want to know. But I think you owe it to your players to say, "Oops, we screwed up on that one. Sorry guys, we won't do any more AFK events in the future. Now that L2 is F2P, they are a really bad idea."
Yes, we know. Specters of Light have a lower success rate with the Fragments, but it is possible for it to continue to evolve and drop rewards. This was expected.
These posts wouldn't keep coming up if NCWest would just post an announcement like this:
"Hey guys, sorry, we really screwed up on that Tersi event. We're still working on a fix for the item server, please hang in there. We'll get it fixed. And we won't do any more AFK events in the future. Everyone who lost money on time-sensitive items from the L2 Store and Galleria will be reimbursed. And we'll host a double-XP event to make up for lost time."
And then they need to delete all level 1 characters who were created during the event.
The ammount of ignorance shown by NC Soft is staggering. How can you introduce an Event exploitable in such a harmful way is beyond me. For the sake of Event exploiters with 20 accounts logged simultaneously You are preventing every regular player from playing at all.
It's way beyond consumables lag, they aren't activating at all now. Also, the Event exploiters take so many server slots that players can't even log, let alone feel the joy of playing with mega lag.
You have recognized the problem. By ending it earlier on Chronos/Naia You have shown that this whole cursed Event is one big failure. Yet You do not want to admit the mistake and do the right thing: completely remove event from ALL servers. Or at least make those Fragments and Spectres non-tradeable in order to stop this server blockade.
It's NOT the event causing the lag. In fact, the first week of the event, servers were capped, it was impossible to log in without having to type your password for 10 minutes, YET we had NO soulshot lag.
Maintenance on Wednesday, something was borked on the servers, and it has nothing to do with the event. If it had something to do with the event, we'd have had shot lags from day 1 of the event, which didn't happen.
It's NOT the event causing the lag. In fact, the first week of the event, servers were capped, it was impossible to log in without having to type your password for 10 minutes, YET we had NO soulshot lag.
Maintenance on Wednesday, something was borked on the servers, and it has nothing to do with the event. If it had something to do with the event, we'd have had shot lags from day 1 of the event, which didn't happen.
It's NOT the event causing the lag. In fact, the first week of the event, servers were capped, it was impossible to log in without having to type your password for 10 minutes, YET we had NO soulshot lag.
From my observations, this may not be the case. The lag appears to be specifically caused by too many people on the server using items at one time, and this includes doing quests. This was especially evident when the entire server was doing TW on Chronos last night- the TW quest brought the server to a standstill; I picked up loot that ended up never showing up in my inventory because the server was so lagged. (or if it did, it was 5-10 minutes after the fact, but I'm pretty sure I lost some loot)
Furthermore, Chronos almost never has soulshot lag at night when neither the Euros nor the western hemisphere is likely to be playing. It's clear item usage is the cause as far as I can tell. It does happen rarely, though, and I did not see this before the last maintenace as far as I remember.
The problem with the 1 week of Tersi was that the server was mainly full of afk level 1s farming the Tersi sprite. People were not using that many items server-wide. It's fully possible the bug may have already existed at the time, but did not occur or occured rarely because even though the server was completely full, not many items or quests were in use at any given time.
More likely though is that, as most of us think, the last maintenance's changes caused the problem. However, from my point of view, there is not enough evidence to rule out the possibility that last week was also bugged.
From my observations, this may not be the case. The lag appears to be specifically caused by too many people on the server using items at one time, and this includes doing quests. This was especially evident when the entire server was doing TW on Chronos last night- the TW quest brought the server to a standstill; I picked up loot that ended up never showing up in my inventory because the server was so lagged. (or if it did, it was 5-10 minutes after the fact, but I'm pretty sure I lost some loot)
Furthermore, Chronos almost never has soulshot lag at night when neither the Euros nor the western hemisphere is likely to be playing. It's clear item usage is the cause as far as I can tell. It does happen rarely, though, and I did not see this before the last maintenace as far as I remember.
The problem with the 1 week of Tersi was that the server was mainly full of afk level 1s farming the Tersi sprite. People were not using that many items server-wide. It's fully possible the bug may have already existed at the time, but did not occur or occured rarely because even though the server was completely full, not many items or quests were in use at any given time.
More likely though is that, as most of us think, the last maintenance's changes caused the problem. However, from my point of view, there is not enough evidence to rule out the possibility that last week was also bugged.
Actually I can say I play pretty much at euro-prime times AND US prime times (yes, got no life at the moment, sad to admit but it's true), and I've NEVER EVER experienced soulshot lag whatsoever. There was never soulshot lag during the first week of the event.
It only started after Wednesday's maintenance. Also, if you check Innova's forums, they had the same problem over there, and the fix was sent by NCSoft in Korea. Now I'm not sure they had this event over there, but I highly doubt the event is the problem. Lag is also very intermittent. It's fine now, as I'm in game doing my Swamp quest and shots don't lag. 5 minutes earlier, I had a 15second lag. Then it gets back to normal again, then it lags again. On and off throughout the whole day.
The event only causes the high traffic all the time, no matter what time of the day you log in. People were playing the event and doing the specter-feeding all the time. And there was zero lag.
Also... Naia also has the same event, and the same problems, and I've been playing there throughout the week where soulshots didn't work for us, and there was ZERO soulshot/potion lag.
So honestly? I don't think the event has anything to do with it whatsoever. Otherwise, Naia would have problems, yet it didn't have the whole week (Naia people can attest to that?), and Bartz wouldn't have it because they haven't stopped the event over there.
It could be connected to item usage, but I can attest that there was NO lag before and during weekends, even before the event, server was very much capped. And no lag. It came with Wednesday's maintenance, what they did there, I don't know.
If it's true that heavy server-wide item usage is causing the lag, then they need to get on the horn to their datacenter or call the IT guy and do maintenance on that data server. But no one at NCWest works on weekends, so we'll have to wait until they roll out of bed around noon on Monday.
I wonder what NC Korea has to say about this. NCWest are you competent enough to be responsible for official L2 in the western world? That's a pretty hard sell at this point!
Actually I can say I play pretty much at euro-prime times AND US prime times (yes, got no life at the moment, sad to admit but it's true), and I've NEVER EVER experienced soulshot lag whatsoever. There was never soulshot lag during the first week of the event.
It only started after Wednesday's maintenance. Also, if you check Innova's forums, they had the same problem over there, and the fix was sent by NCSoft in Korea. Now I'm not sure they had this event over there, but I highly doubt the event is the problem. Lag is also very intermittent. It's fine now, as I'm in game doing my Swamp quest and shots don't lag. 5 minutes earlier, I had a 15second lag. Then it gets back to normal again, then it lags again. On and off throughout the whole day.
The event only causes the high traffic all the time, no matter what time of the day you log in. People were playing the event and doing the specter-feeding all the time. And there was zero lag.
Also... Naia also has the same event, and the same problems, and I've been playing there throughout the week where soulshots didn't work for us, and there was ZERO soulshot/potion lag.
So honestly? I don't think the event has anything to do with it whatsoever. Otherwise, Naia would have problems, yet it didn't have the whole week (Naia people can attest to that?), and Bartz wouldn't have it because they haven't stopped the event over there.
It could be connected to item usage, but I can attest that there was NO lag before and during weekends, even before the event, server was very much capped. And no lag. It came with Wednesday's maintenance, what they did there, I don't know.
Chronos has rather significant lag during peak euro and US times. You said you experience lag, but not soulshot lag, correct? I doubt Naia has a higher population than Chronos, and I'm not trying to act superior; if I could play on a less populated server with my characters and friends, I would. It isn't a problem to log in between midnight and 7 AM EST on Chronos, but you simply cannot log in during peak hours without several tries, especially on weekends. It's noticeably more populated - the "high traffic" indicator covers too wide a spectrum to be a useful indicator of whether a server is constantly full or not.
If it's true that heavy server-wide item usage is causing the lag, then they need to get on the horn to their datacenter or call the IT guy and do maintenance on that data server. But no one at NCWest works on weekends, so we'll have to wait until they roll out of bed around noon on Monday.
I wonder what NC Korea has to say about this. NCWest are you competent enough to be responsible for official L2 in the western world? That's a pretty hard sell at this point!
They did, this is why they did the emergency maintenance earlier in the week which caused issues and failed to fix the problem. It's also a very bad sign for the prospects of the issue actually being fixed by the next maintenance, unless shutting down the event completely solves the problem.
Bring back Pay 2 Play. Solves everything. Keep the GoD features, quests, path to awakening, NCStore. It keeps the riff raff out and invites the people back who hated the grind.
So honestly? I don't think the event has anything to do with it whatsoever. Otherwise, Naia would have problems, yet it didn't have the whole week (Naia people can attest to that?), and Bartz wouldn't have it because they haven't stopped the event over there.
I play in Naia. And except for the crashes, there was ZEEEEEEEEEEERO item lag since the start of the event. Even now I don't experience any lag.
Bring back Pay 2 Play. Solves everything. Keep the GoD features, quests, path to awakening, NCStore. It keeps the riff raff out and invites the people back who hated the grind.
If they do this they might as well just close the servers as 80% of the population would quit as they are ONLY here because it is free to play.
Before it went free there were 2 servers, and not counting the bots, boxes and shops you might have had 1000 real players between both servers. The game was dying fast so they had to do something to bring it back so they will not go back to P2P.
Chronos has rather significant lag during peak euro and US times. You said you experience lag, but not soulshot lag, correct? I doubt Naia has a higher population than Chronos, and I'm not trying to act superior; if I could play on a less populated server with my characters and friends, I would. It isn't a problem to log in between midnight and 7 AM EST on Chronos, but you simply cannot log in during peak hours without several tries, especially on weekends. It's noticeably more populated - the "high traffic" indicator covers too wide a spectrum to be a useful indicator of whether a server is constantly full or not.
Nope, I'm not talking about lag in general. That I've been having constantly since the servers were capped, especially on peak hours. I'm talking about soulshot/consumables/NPC lag. The 15 seconds that it takes from me clicking a potion and for it triggering.
That's what I'm talking about and that has nothing to do with the event in my opinion. Because if it had, well, then we would have had a full week of soulshot lag during the first week of this event and we didn't. Normal lags, that is common, and that's obviously due to server capacity and amount of people, and all that.
I'm referring exclusively to soulshot lag. And I've never experienced that at all, since my return when it became F2P, until after Wednesday's maintenance. Event, not event, server capped, it never happened until this week.
They did, this is why they did the emergency maintenance earlier in the week which caused issues and failed to fix the problem. It's also a very bad sign for the prospects of the issue actually being fixed by the next maintenance, unless shutting down the event completely solves the problem.
Like I said, I think it's not that simple. I'm not sure how the game and the servers are structured. There's a delay in the information being sent from the client to whatever part of the servers that manages soulshots and consumables (And the NPCs as well even though they're on a separate server), that has nothing to do with events. If it works like a normal database query, there's something in the actual data sending through the client that is taking too long to reach the servers. Or something similar, as I don't know the actual structure of the game and the servers.
Someone talked about a DDoS in another thread and it wouldn't surprise me, although I would think a DDoS would have not been intermittent as it is now, unless whoever's doing it is doing it 24/7.
Bottomline is, we can't know. They won't tell us. So we have to wait. But I would bet that even if they cancelled the event and booted all the bots farming, we'd still have soulshot lag. We had soulshot lag even when the server wasn't capped during this past week (three days that we had no problems logging on as a lot of players weren't bothering to do so as they knew they couldn't play).
And if they ever cancelled the events and the lag stopped, I'd be woman enough to come and admit I was wrong ;) I don't think I would have to though.
stopping the lag is a simple issue....the servers are full ...taxed to max capacity....either upgrade the servers or open a new one.
its not rocket science.
It also doesnt help with all the private vendors planted every which way...its been like that since day 1, so my question why still have the function if your going to put in an AH?
Nope, I'm not talking about lag in general. That I've been having constantly since the servers were capped, especially on peak hours. I'm talking about soulshot/consumables/NPC lag. The 15 seconds that it takes from me clicking a potion and for it triggering.
That's what I'm talking about and that has nothing to do with the event in my opinion.
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Then you need to pay more attention to what someone writes before you start being contrarion just because they didn't necessarily agree with you. Nothing you've said contradicts my evidence; in fact, if it's just Chronos, the fullest server, and mainly only at peak times, then you've done little more than support my argument.
Hi, my problem is that shortcut don't save when i close and restart the game.
While in game in can change them and use with no problem, but if i restart the game they are reset do default.
The game dont give me errors or something when i close it.
What should i do? thanks
you should be banned for spaming all thread with that question :)
Then you need to pay more attention to what someone writes before you start being contrarion just because they didn't necessarily agree with you. Nothing you've said contradicts my evidence; in fact, if it's just Chronos, the fullest server, and mainly only at peak times, then you've done little more than support my argument.
Chronos and Bartz and I've written it before I'm sure. Not just Chronos. Bartz is NEVER at full capacity, so how would you explain the soulshot lag there? They also have the event normal as they had from day one, while ours was cut short on Wednesday, and it all started from THERE. There was zero soulshot lag at all before that, and the server has pretty much been at cap since the event started. We had one full week of the event where it was impossible to log on, server at cap at ALL times, and zero soulshot lag.
So out of the blue, mysteriously, the event is causing soulshot lag when it didn't a week before? Nope, don't buy it. While I hate the event myself, I doubt cutting it will solve it. I think in the attempt of actually cutting it short, they messed something on the servers that they aren't able to bring back to normal. Perhaps by messing up something in the code that would stop the event one week earlier, they opened up the same bug Innova had before and the fix had to be sent from NC Korea to them. And I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with this event. In fact, I'm not even sure they had it to begin with.
Editing because I confused you with someone else, so the rest didn't apply. Still, my question is, if it's caused by people using items at the same time (event, consumables, whatever it is), then how can you explain Naia, which is at cap at ALL times lately, and has the same amount of people as Chronos, having ZERO soulshot lag of any kind?
What's a mystery to me is that they did the same event fix on Naia as they did on Chronos, but apparently only Chronos (and Bartz but they have the event running as normal) got messed up. So who knows what's REALLY going on. But all evidence points out that the event is just a coincidence. Or we'd have the two biggest servers with the same problems and we don't.
thanks sace, juji and admin. ok your next quest is to remove/eradicate and ban all botters so that we can play without any problems.ty guys keep up the good work
The problem is related to server population as it does get better in the early hours of the morning (which is when I have managed to get a couple of hours XP in) but I don't think that the overloaded servers are entirely a result of the event, although no-one is going to deny that it is a big contributing factor.
They're very careful with their words - for example they don't say that this WILL FIX the issue but instead say SHOULD REDUCE the problem. That doesn't fill me with confidence to be honest. I think they know that certain servers are overloaded as some had problems logging in even before the event but I get the feeling that they have no plans to fix this for the long-term.
Even on the newest server Bartz the lag has been unbearable to the point where many of us haven't played for the last 7 days. It is quite remarkable that the problem should persist for such a long period of time and the fact that they did not bring down the servers earlier and remove the event altogether (instead of waiting a whole week for the next scheduled maintenance) shows a real lack of commitment to the players in my opinion.
A lot of people talk about the event but I have no idea how it works...
I have a lot of Fragments of Light and Specters of Light... then what?
I believe there's some pushing that should be going on? but what's the reward is it worth it or should I just sell my fragments of light?
The "pushing" is in fact how the event was designed to be played, but early on it was found out that if you spawn the spectre in an enclosed area like a corner of a building or a manor cart etc.. the fragments of light then spawn on top of the spectre, eliminating the "pushing" portion of the event. So basically you just spam fragments and get lootz... Lame event imo, all it has done is create massive server lag and give people an easy exploit to make lots of adena/get legendary dye for free.
The problem is related to server population as it does get better in the early hours of the morning (which is when I have managed to get a couple of hours XP in) but I don't think that the overloaded servers are entirely a result of the event, although no-one is going to deny that it is a big contributing factor.
They're very careful with their words - for example they don't say that this WILL FIX the issue but instead say SHOULD REDUCE the problem. That doesn't fill me with confidence to be honest. I think they know that certain servers are overloaded as some had problems logging in even before the event but I get the feeling that they have no plans to fix this for the long-term.
Even on the newest server Bartz the lag has been unbearable to the point where many of us haven't played for the last 7 days. It is quite remarkable that the problem should persist for such a long period of time and the fact that they did not bring down the servers earlier and remove the event altogether (instead of waiting a whole week for the next scheduled maintenance) shows a real lack of commitment to the players in my opinion.
The only way to "fix" the issue is to add more servers and/or beef up the ones they currently have, something they might not be capable of doing at the moment, especially beefing up the login and Chronos/Naia, those things take time and a lot of work to make it transition with little to no problems.
the only way to "fix" the issue is to add more servers and/or beef up the ones they currently have, something they might not be capable of doing at the moment, especially beefing up the login and chronos/naia, those things take time and a lot of work to make it transition with little to no problems.
this means that we will not take any item more or that all our items will be removed from inventory?
The announcement makes it sound like the event will straight-out end in every shape and form, so yes, your items will disappear. Best to use them today if you have any leftovers.