I would at this time like to vote for a new all american/canadian server, all other ip blocked...
Now i m sure there will be flames, but i believe that if this game is to flourish at all in america where the servers and company are located, this is something that is needed. I am happy that the game has received a renewed life because of free to play, unfortunately for americans this means we are outnumbered by the euros on every server, as is shown in the new server time polls.
It is true that many americans are interested in playing the game yet when they log in all they see is multple languages in the lowbie areas, no real sense of community since most of us dont speak or read the other languages. Not to mention that the time zones would be closer together and all the server would have a chance to play together at seiges, etc... I am not trying to be mean or spiteful just stating that as an american it only seems fair that we get at least 1 server...
At this point with all the new gear so easy to get and with low mats being easier to npc than sell, I would have no issues in transferring to a new server, and as i have seen all the servers seem to be at about 25-30% NA players and the rest euro/br/russian... this would make for a full american server if we were all allowed to transfer as i know many would.
Chronos was over run by new players who are from the priv server community, which was based out of europe since NA laws made those servers illegal here, and as such those servers were mostly Euro players.... It is no surprise that the voting is going the way it is.
All im asking for is the consideration of giving NA players a real home, one that wont get changed to euro times later by being over run with euro players.... anyway just my 2 cents...........Flame on
I would at this time like to vote for a new all american/canadian server, all other ip blocked...
Now i m sure there will be flames, but i believe that if this game is to flourish at all in america where the servers and company are located, this is something that is needed. I am happy that the game has received a renewed life because of free to play, unfortunately for americans this means we are outnumbered by the euros on every server, as is shown in the new server time polls.
It is true that many americans are interested in playing the game yet when they log in all they see is multple languages in the lowbie areas, no real sense of community since most of us dont speak or read the other languages. Not to mention that the time zones would be closer together and all the server would have a chance to play together at seiges, etc... I am not trying to be mean or spiteful just stating that as an american it only seems fair that we get at least 1 server...
At this point with all the new gear so easy to get and with low mats being easier to npc than sell, I would have no issues in transferring to a new server, and as i have seen all the servers seem to be at about 25-30% NA players and the rest euro/br/russian... this would make for a full american server if we were all allowed to transfer as i know many would.
Chronos was over run by new players who are from the priv server community, which was based out of europe since NA laws made those servers illegal here, and as such those servers were mostly Euro players.... It is no surprise that the voting is going the way it is.
All im asking for is the consideration of giving NA players a real home, one that wont get changed to euro times later by being over run with euro players.... anyway just my 2 cents...........Flame on
You know that america has a lot of countrys not only united states? and btw brasil its part of america fyi maybe u didnt know that.
You know that america has a lot of countrys not only united states? and btw brasil its part of america fyi maybe u didnt know that.
btw im not br.
really this is news to me, never heard br call themselves american, read again i said american not americas, there is a difference, and when i said american and canadian that is 2 countries and you surely knew what i meant, also the server located in america is as far as i know in just 1 state in 1 country, but i will clear it up for you....
Let me clear this up I am saying that the USA and Canada, where english is the national languages, sorry quebec i know you are mostly french speakers, should have their own server as all the other servers are moving to euro/br time zones...
really this is news to me, never heard br call themselves american, read again i said american not americas, there is a difference, and when i said american and canadian that is 2 countries and you surely knew what i meant, also the server located in america is as far as i know in just 1 state in 1 country, but i will clear it up for you....
Let me clear this up I am saying that the USA and Canada, where english is the national languages, sorry quebec i know you are mostly french speakers, should have their own server as all the other servers are moving to euro/br time zones...
I know the point you are trying to make. But the United States does not have an official national language. Yea we speak English and everything is in English. Its just not anywhere in our government papers that directly states that English is our National language. But anyway...
It is a bit dis-heartening that "Every" server is going to end up being more European time zone centric with the way the votes are lining up right now.
East-Coast based here... Chronos would yield a 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. .. which is not bad... but on the West Coast... which backs up 3 more hours. It is not good for them. All the other servers will be either the same.. or even earlier than that of Chronos. No place for those to go that want a server that fits the time they can play for Castle sieges out west. Especially if they were during those hours.
Get rid of Naia and Chronos on the polls and leave them alone, make Magmeld/Shilen/Bartz 2 EURO and 1 NA, allow free full transfers between the three. And for the love of god why are you letting people transfer to a server that's not even 2 months old? NcSoft enrolled in howtokillaserver 101 this semester?
As you know, for the first time ever, players voted on the Castle Siege time for a new server, Bartz. Because of Lineage II's ever-growing global population, we now extend the vote to all other servers, but with additional effects. Cast your vote and help decide on your main server's server-time!
What Does this Poll Decide?
This poll asks you what time you want Castle Sieges to occur on your main server (what time is convenient for you), and the winning time will affect the server's entire time zone setting. All scheduled events on a server follow a synchronized calendar. By changing the Castle Siege time, the rest of the timers on the server, such as Territory Wars and daily quest reset times, are changed to match the new schedule.
Chronos and Shilen: Next Castle Sieges are on January 15, 2012.
Naia and Magmeld: Next Castle Sieges are on January 22, 2012.
Who Can Vote and When?
The Siege Times Poll is open for voting for two weeks, from 7pm on January 12 to 7pm on January 26, 2012 (PST).
Each game account may vote only once in the poll, not once per server. Therefore, be certain to vote on your main server only. To be eligible to vote, you must have a character that is level 20 or higher on the server you wish to vote for.
Players that previously voted in the Bartz Poll may also vote in this poll.
are you kidding me!? Siege times were announced long ago when the server went live, why a vote now? If the times change I'd expect free and timely transfers to other servers that have sieges during the hours that this one has. Seriously, 10am in the morning for sieges AND olympiad? Seriously?! wtf? I vote that NCSoft make a new server for European time zone and stop screwing up something that's not broken.
are you kidding me!? Siege times were announced long ago when the server went live, why a vote now? If the times change I'd expect free and timely transfers to other servers that have sieges during the hours that this one has. Seriously, 10am in the morning for sieges AND olympiad? Seriously?! wtf? I vote that NCSoft make a new server for European time zone and stop screwing up something that's not broken.
Foolish Socialist .... The USA is a Republic designed to protect the rights of the minority. Democracy equals "Mob Rule".
To quote John Adams the second President Of the United States,
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself".
NC protect the rights of the minority here. This so called Vote should only be taken under advisemnet by the managment.
Don't let the inmates run the assylum.
Protect the rights of minority. right good one. I doubt they would actually change the times. Even though majority rules, they will have to keep at least one server on US time, considering that the servers are on US soil.
really this is news to me, never heard br call themselves american ...
Actually, they do - "Americano", to be precise. While "America" in the English language (not so often in others ...) usually refers to just the USA, "American" (both as an adjective and as a noun) doesn't refer to just things or people out of the USA or related to the USA, but instead to the whole (double) continent.
I doubt they would actually change the times. Even though majority rules, they will have to keep at least one server on US time, considering that the servers are on US soil.
You haven't been around long have you? Never underestimate the lack of INT that the higher ups at NC have. Sometimes I feel they use dice to figure out what to do next.
Fridays is just 1 day of oly, sure you can miss that?
As for sunday I'm sure the amount of people who have commitments on a weekend is small compared to the ones who don't. Can't you go to a different mass? The fact is if there's more people willing to vote for one time it's a more popular time!
It's been fine until now for EU players to have to stay up till 4/6am every night and every other weekend to do things that only came into the game later during it's life cycle (Daily Oly/TW/Manor, not just sieges).
I'm amazed at the amount of americans who are extremely anti-democracy.
Use some common sense if you have any in your brain please. There are a majority of Euro players on L2 right now, that's fine, Euros deserve to have sieges/oly/etc... in their timezone, but there are enough NA players to have 1-2 servers of our own. Because of the way NCsoft screwed up Innova and the launch of GoD here, they messed up all the servers, Shilen was announced as US, Magmeld had US times, they made Bartz and it appears to have a majority of EU players too...
So maybe 30% of each server is North American mixed in with Euro/SA players, but that's not enough to win votes for their server...BUT, if NCsoft was smart enough and made say 3 Euro server and 2 NA server, then both of us would be happy. Instead NCsoft screws over 30% of their playerbase to appeal to the majority, when they could easily accommodate both of us.
Like I said, use some common sense, this is why we are upset.
if you bring everything forward to accommodate for euro players.
you are bringing it forward for everyone which distrupts a lot more than sieges. it's easier to stay up late and do something than get up early.
if the olympiad starts at 3pm for America, anyone who has a job will miss it.
what? you want us to be hardcore and quit our jobs?
and that's just for those of us on the east side of the Americas.
anyone further west will be doing olympiad at 12pm noon.
and sieging at 9am.
we have lives to live, we can't play games in the morning/afternoon.
sadly, there is no easy to end this.
someone is going to lose, and right now it looks like myself, and others who don't live in the EU.
i have an idea.
can NC just offer free relocation to the Americas for all EU players?
anyone who has a character above level 20 on any American Time zone server... free relocation to Mexico...
why Mexico?
because Canada has a tough immigration policy, and i don't think you'd want to live in the US at the moment.
Actually, they do - "Americano", to be precise. While "America" in the English language (not so often in others ...) usually refers to just the USA, "American" (both as an adjective and as a noun) doesn't refer to just things or people out of the USA or related to the USA, but instead to the whole (double) continent.
That is the dumbest comment I think read on these boards in 7 years.
Someone from Canada = Canadian
Someone from the US = American
Someone from Mexico = Mexican
Someone from Brazil = Brazilian
Someone from Columbia = Columbian
I have never heard anyone from any country but the US ever referred to themselves as American. If someone from the US isn't American what is their nationality then?
if you bring everything forward to accommodate for euro players.
you are bringing it forward for everyone which distrupts a lot more than sieges. it's easier to stay up late and do something than get up early.
if the olympiad starts at 3pm for America, anyone who has a job will miss it.
what? you want us to be hardcore and quit our jobs?
and that's just for those of us on the east side of the Americas.
anyone further west will be doing olympiad at 12pm noon.
and sieging at 9am.
we have lives to live, we can't play games in the morning/afternoon.
sadly, there is no easy to end this.
someone is going to lose, and right now it looks like myself, and others who don't live in the EU.
i have an idea.
can NC just offer free relocation to the Americas for all EU players?
anyone who has a character above level 20 on any American Time zone server... free relocation to Mexico...
why Mexico?
because Canada has a tough immigration policy, and i don't think you'd want to live in the US at the moment.
your argument makes no sense...
lets say NCSOFT: "OK We do olympiad 24 hours / day 7 days a week"
Now will you complain that you must leave your job and life in order to attend every minute of olympiad? It's a game, treat it like one.
Oly has already gone from daily to weekends, be happy that L2 is nowhere near as hardcore as it used to be. I'd love you to find more than even 25% of the population that plays l2 AND works on weekends. Waking up at noon to do oly on a sunday when im not working? "YOU MUST BE JOKING"
Oh yeah hi i'm a player starting l2 when there are no euro servers, how do u think i felt back then? Now it's your turn now that the majority of players are euro instead of american
WHY!? its ******ed why do this, everyone that is on Chronos comes from a NA server, everyone on Naia chose to be their because of EU time or at least knew about the timezone. and your letting anyone with a lvl 20 toon vote, it takes 15min to make a lvl 20 toon, why screw with what people know, the new people can learn to deal with the timezones as they are.
What does innova think about you selling them the rights for euro servers and then having 5 of your own?
I have to say this once again since i see this been repeated again and again....
NAIA (EURO) SERVER voted and what they have atm and i think its : sieges at 15:00 (gmt+0).
Chronos server votes atm are for 18:00 (10:OO PST) (40%)or 22:00 (14:00 PST) (25%). which IS NOT same with the Euro servers.
If you ask me what i think is the most fair (although i like too the 40% votes) i ll say that it is a just and adjustment backwards of 3hours.
It will not be prohibitive for north americans and will be better for latinos and the majority of the euros (it will still be late for a big ammount of euro players) and the majority of the server's players.
Once again since i see this been repeated again and again.
NAIA (EURO) SERVER voted and have atm i think sieges at 15:00 (gmt+0).
Chronos server votes atm are for 18:00 (10:OO PST) (40%)or 22:00 (14:00 PST) (25%). which IS NOT same with the Euro servers.
If you ask me what i think is the most fair (although i like too the 40% votes) i ll say that it is a just and adjustment backwards of 3hours.
It will not be prohibitive for north americans and will be better for latinos and the majority of the euros (it will still be late for a big ammount of euro players) and the majority of the server's players.
It is very preventative you are formulating an argument without thinking. People in north america have jobs, a large portion of these people work monday to friday 8-5. With the current voting the way it is that means oly would be starting before any north american person would get home from work. The way it is now even if a euro player has a job they can still make it to sieges and oly without a completely unreasonable commitment.
I have to say this once again since i see this been repeated again and again....
NAIA (EURO) SERVER voted and what they have atm and i think its : sieges at 15:00 (gmt+0).
Chronos server votes atm are for 18:00 (10:OO PST) (40%)or 22:00 (14:00 PST) (25%). which IS NOT same with the Euro servers.
If you ask me what i think is the most fair (although i like too the 40% votes) i ll say that it is a just and adjustment backwards of 3hours.
It will not be prohibitive for north americans and will be better for latinos and the majority of the euros (it will still be late for a big ammount of euro players) and the majority of the server's players.
That's pretty stupid logic, if there are enough people from the same timezone to fill an entire server, don't you think it would make sense to have servers for each timezone, rather than have 60% of the server vote on a time, and the other 40% get screwed over?
It is very preventative you are formulating an argument without thinking. People in north america have jobs, a large portion of these people work monday to friday 8-5. With the current voting the way it is that means oly would be starting before any north american person would get home from work. The way it is now even if a euro player has a job they can still make it to sieges and oly without a completely unreasonable commitment.
Problem is for friday only...and only for olys so :)
And well i am talking as a currently casual player... and u worry way to much as a hardcore player.
My opinion is...that if someone has that many real life commitments...he shouldnt be a hardcore player or at least...he wouldnt have to worry that much ;) just my 2cents tho. I might be wrong.
And well, you say for euros is not preventative! Technically for some maybe no. But based on reality...it is. What was the result tho? Euros and BRs kept game alive.
You maybe liked it when they were not ppl to participate on 2nd sieges but i wont say no for this to change.
On the other hand i understand you...that's why i wont really QQ if they wont change Chronos. I will just not participate in some events when i have something better to do. l2 is not my social life. i am not korean :p
That's pretty stupid logic, if there are enough people from the same timezone to fill an entire server, don't you think it would make sense to have servers for each timezone, rather than have 60% of the server vote on a time, and the other 40% get screwed over?
I said to be an adjustment between what the 60% and the 40% says. Not that 60% should win.
In the end more people will quit because the time is changed to euro then if they left the times the way they are. Isn't the end result to keep the servers populated?
I have never heard anyone from any country but the US ever referred to themselves as American. If someone from the US isn't American what is their nationality then?
I did. A lot. :) Not as their nationality, obviously - just as which continent they come from.
The meaning is usually (but not always!) easy to guess from the context. In the context of the time zones for Lineage II, "American" fits better with the meaning of "referring to both Americas", since the two continents share most of their time zones (granted, North America has slightly more of them, between Danmarkshavn at GMT+0 and Alaska at GMT-9) - as opposed to "European" (or more correctly, "Euro-African" - I have a player from Angola, for example :)).
I think the point many people has is that NCsoft is suppose to be a North American company cateoring to that population. I do realize there is a large population of people from various countries world wide that play here, and that for one reason or another Innova or other company isn't a good option for them. I however don't believe they should change the time of seiges on Chrnos or Naia. If they want to do it for new servers than fine, because they are new. I realize that change occurs in life, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it. To be honest I live on the East Coast and if it was up to me seiges would be at 8pm and 11pm but for many that would be nice. Atleast how they are now I'm able to attend one seige usually and I'm fine with that.If seiges were to get pushed back 3 hrs however I wouldn't ever be able to attend. =/
The meaning is usually (but not always!) easy to guess from the context. In the context of the time zones for Lineage II, "American" fits better with the meaning of "referring to both Americas", since the two continents share most of their time zones (granted, North America has slightly more of them, between Danmarkshavn at GMT+0 and Alaska at GMT-9) - as opposed to "European" (or more correctly, "Euro-African" - I have a player from Angola, for example :)).
If you think that NCSOFT cares about correct and precise meanings of words then you are truly mistaken.
Just realized something... Naia Euros can vote to change the Chornus time lol. Since Naia don't need its time change, they are voting to change Chronus, my friends on Naia told many of the bigger clans with friends are doing it. GJ Ncsoft people who don't even play on Chornus will change the time.
Please shilien server become to euro zone because much ppl from Euro than USA and..... OMG times for sieges at 5 AM in europe ??? we need to get sleep or you want us to die ?? the time is not balanced at all please fix time zone in shilien server :eek::eek::eek::eek:
Since i can't log in (i know i know sace...you are working on the solution ...its just that you can't tell us) i read the whole thread.
I find it sad but amusing that the player base suspects that NC is trying to pull a fast one here...although no one is sure what...they are sure that NC is up to their usual incompetent no good.
Its nice to see the constant lieing is starting to finally catch up to NC...lol
Anyways back on subject.
I would say whatever the RMT guys want cause if NC West affects any changes they usually benefit them.
The poll is kinda a warm and fuzzy just like the Bot button and the notices that NC is working hard on the problem but can't tell us anything about their gigantic efforts.
You haven't been around long have you? Never underestimate the lack of INT that the higher ups at NC have. Sometimes I feel they use dice to figure out what to do next.
Do not judge a book by it's cover. I could be a new player or I could be a player that has been playing for years on the very same server, in the very same clan, talking to the very same yeti in the clan hall that is used to be owned by your clan. hmmmm? boils the noodle, eh? as for lack of INT. Sure things are a bit out of sorts but the employees of NC West may not have the power to make changes and such, but they still can voice what is going on in the yard.
Yes, Sace, change time on Naia! :D It will be best decision :DDD
EU players, go to **** and play with Innova cracked and crushed servers :DDD
All posts from NC West going to more funny...
Sace, seems you dont know who plaing in Naia... Seems NC West working 1st day... Ah ah we open our eyes - who plaing in Naia??? Oh really??? You are from Europe?
Are you really losing your mind in America?
Looks like I would miss every early siege.. Would have to rush to make the 2nd siege (usually skipped first sieges). And just miss out on Oly.
Best option for us NA is to quit imo. I hear Terra is coming out soon.
If I were Innova and all NCWest servers go euro time I'd be speaking to my lawyers about possible breach of contract issues and loss of revenue issues....just saying...
Good idea, since the server has a Shilen more than half of Europeans. Himself playing there. Beto usa people will suffer less, because with time they will also during the day.
This has to be one of the biggest fails in gaming history!
Why the fock did you not just come out with servers that were labeled with different time zones!
At this point you should make at least three servers to cover the various time zones. Euro/Africa, Asia/Oceanic, and NA/SA. How hard is that! Allow for free transfers to the appropriate servers.
Notice that on most of the servers at the time of this post what time zone is leading. It is the same on nearly all of them. I know just from playing on Shilen that East Asian languages are not the most predominate languages I see typed. Nor are the people I chat with from any Asian country. I do play during times they would be online. The server is slow during these times.
If you CHOSE and I mean CHOSE to play in a server that doesn't fit your time zone, your fault, not mine, not someone else's, not NC's.
Stop QQ'n, NC should leave it alone .... they have enough problems with the simple things .... I can't imagine why they would even open this can of worms when they need a warning for people that have to type there password 100+ times to log in, or what's that soul shots..... I mean really the list goes on and on and on .....
Like many have said this will finish L2 for a lot of people .....
QQ on ppl QQ on..... another NC Fail..... I feel like Borat wrote that vote up ....
If NC let me move ALL my toons, money kit and the clan as it is i would consider a move to a Euro server, but since they will not i will vote to change the one i am on to a better time for me.
and BTW not everyone had the option to choose a Euro server at the start so its not their fault.
Move with the times ppl, things progress. if they didnot you would still be the 13 colonies.
LOL which one? I think all are going to EU times
Who cares? I am sure you didnt care those long years when we had second siege from 03:00 AM. There are only few hundreds US players but thousands of EU players. I am sure that it is better to have CS from 10, 11 or 12 AM than from 03 AM on Monday.
As the poll looks right now, the first siege would be at 1pm EST. I'd say that is not as bad as 3am to 5am Monday morning second siege currently is for euro players. So I think the new time would be an improvement overall for the whole server - US players could still come to sieges, and more euro players would be able to participate, too. It's not as if the new time would be 5am for US players or something silly like that. And apart from sieges and tw, nothing else which depends on the server time really is important at all. Quest reset? Who cares? You still can do your quests at the same time every day, no matter when it resets.
the time zone of Chronos Naia should not be changed they have been the same for years and years if new players made accounts on these servers they new what they where getting into!!!!!!!!!
merge after merge thses servers never changed...
I under stand voting on new servers that where just made but come on now.
Imho this change will only generate more and more problems..
keep the server as they are and change just one of the 3 new servers in EU time. then start the heavy mole of transfer FREE (because YOU messed all the things adding server without coherence in the timezone) from the server with the time changed to the other with US time (for US zone ppl).
In this way should in some way fix the problem of ppl in naia (2 server gmt+1 instead of only one) and ppl that live in US timezone and choose a server with us time can keep their server...
everyone happy \o\
plus: if u can change the entire time into gmt+1 (eu), means u actually can give us a new server with that timezone; the question is: Why u didn't in time and open 3 US time server instead 2 US and 1 EU when u could?
If I were Innova and all NCWest servers go euro time I'd be speaking to my lawyers about possible breach of contract issues and loss of revenue issues....just saying...
i think you will find there have no grounds to stant on, korea and russia dont follow EU laws as there are not part of the EU, innova may be doing fail EU servers, but its a russain company, they could vote on innova EU servers to be USA timezone also, and NCWest couldnt do any thing about it.
NCWest hasnt changed times coz some manager said so, they have give the players a chance to change it, not saying i agree with messing with chronos and naia, but it is what it is. Anyway by letting players pick, they havnt broken the agreement with Innova.
I play on Naia so it doesn't affect me but ... I feel bad for those people that had been playing Bartz (the original one), Gustin, Devianne, Kain, Hindemith, Erica, Lionna etc and are suddenly forced into a silly situation cause a bunch of Euros chose to play on the wrong server for their timezone.
the time zone of Chronos Naia should not be changed they have been the same for years and years if new players made accounts on these servers they new what they where getting into!!!!!!!!!
merge after merge thses servers never changed...
+ Zuff:
It is obvious you are new players cause if not, you would know that long time ago there was not a single EU server. It means all people who wanted to play L2 had to start on NA servers. Noone asked them if they are comfortable with NA times on servers.
Please try to avoid anything you dont understand.
And regarding that "bunch of euro players" go to see status of voting. I see only bunch of US players...
If my memory serves me correctly - and insterted here is my disclaimer that it does, from time to time, fail me and to some extent, quite miserably - L2 in the North American market was released around August 2004.
By November of 2004, the Teon server was added as the first European server. Franz was the second European server launched in 2006 along with Chronical 5 - Oath of Blood. Finally, in 2008, Luna appeared after the Kamael expansion.
Given the posts that recite something along the lines of, "...remember that when L2 started we did not have any European servers...", well, that is true for approximately the first three months of Lineage 2's life outside of Korea. (L2 was launched in Korea before North America). I accept that statement for some people, but to use that as an excuse as to why Chronos - which is the combination of all that was the North American servers - should be converted to a European server, is rather baseless since Europeans have had seven years worth of European servers to find a home and conduct their Lineage 2 lives within the European times of those servers.
There is also plenty of comments regarding majority rules and there are obviously more European players than North American players on the servers so they should be as the voting dictates. First of all, is there anyone on the boards that can tell all of us exactly how many accounts have been created from every region? I think that is something only NCSoft can tell us so for people to say that there are without data to back it up...I mean, really?
As far as the poll goes, here again, what do the numbers really tell us? Out of the entire populus on all servers, how many do not even read the forums, come to the official site or read the announcements in game to know there is a poll and what implication not voting can have?
Here are some numbers I came up with given the data I have access to (L2 Official for vote counts and the server status site that I believe will get deleted if I post it).
26929 players
4419 total votes
16% of the population voted
Magmeld
533 votes
3851 players
14% voted
Shilen
1362 votes
6015 players
23% voted
Naia
588 votes
6030 players
9% voted
Chronos
1938 votes
6120 players
32% voted
Unfortunately, the total number of votes per server and the percentage voted are going to be quite skewed since this does not reflect ONLY players and votes on their respective servers. Since anyone, including those on Bartz, can vote for any server the numbers most likely do not refelct accurate data on a server populus basis. Since we have to log in to vote, NCSoft can see who voted for which server and which server they most play on - someone who plays exclusively on Naia votes for any other server or someone exclusively on Bartz votes for any other server, etc. There should have been some checks and balances to TRY and make it as server exclusive as possible
Since Lineage 2 went Free to Play, there should have been no doubt that Chronos and Naia would have seen a vast influx of players from all over the world. The creation of new servers is a testimant to that. Now, since NCSoft licensed the game to Innova for the European community, it is plausible that NCWest could not and still cannot OFFICIALLY OPEN a new European server and the only way to get around the Rights Issue with Innova is to change the timezone of an existing server.
Let's face it, all the legal terms and conditions that go along with selling the rights to software can be quite mind boggling and this may be a way that NCSoft/NCWest found a loophole to allow additional European servers. By allowing the community to dictate a preferred timezone for a server, NCSoft/NCWest can then change the timezone on a server(s), but they still cannot OPEN a new server in any timezone other than North America...unfortunately, this can leave the North American community out in the cold and that really would be a shame.
None of us can say with certainty, without data from NCSoft, as to which community has the highest playerbase - North America or Europe - but that does not mean either community, which is probably to two largest, should be without proper timezoned servers.
As you can tell, I have had time to write this as I have not been able to log into Chronos! I both laugh and sigh with that statement.
Hello,i`m sorry for my bad ENG,becouse i`m from Ukraine(euro 2012;) ) I and my friends want to play in US server, but where is it? Chronos? Shillen? or NCWest want that`s all servers will be Euro?I`ll wait but many people want US server: С ума:
Dendrianna you are right about Teon's launch. I checked newsletter file.
I like the vote results atm...since they fit to my schedule and lifestyle better...on the other hand tho, i believe it would be better to be done with a more ''fair'' way of voting.
lvl 20 toon is easy. They should have had at least a higher restriction if not on lvl....also on account creations. That would be more accurate.
Also i think it is more fair...not the winning option to win...but to be an adjustment between majority and possibly high minority.
If my memory serves me correctly - and insterted here is my disclaimer that it does, from time to time, fail me and to some extent, quite miserably - L2 in the North American market was released around August 2004.
Open beta was in march/april and retail opened I think April 30? My main chars birthday is 05/01/2004 and I think I started a day late.
And if you read this came from Korea not NA/Euro, Sace even said the staff were shocked when the included Naia and Chornus in the voting.
where he said that?
after he got flamed or wait it was a she right?
well after she got flamed but 100s of people?
if my boss tells me to do something and i know hes being dumb i will tell him and explain him and 99% of the time he will listen and adjust his idea's
and if not i simply wont do it, cus im the 1 working with these people and not some ********* behind his desk or in this case in korea
chronos/naia should never be on this list simple as that
im a euro and i **** on the euro's who play on chronos its their **** choice to play on server which doesnt match your timezone at all then deal with it that u cant play sieges/oly and other things
its not ncsoft fault its not our fault its simply your fault
Just realized something... Naia Euros can vote to change the Chornus time lol. Since Naia don't need its time change, they are voting to change Chronus, my friends on Naia told many of the bigger clans with friends are doing it. GJ Ncsoft people who don't even play on Chornus will change the time.
yes and my friend said all other servers are voting on naia 4pm +1gmt !
pull more bullcrap out of your *** please we have no reason to vote on chronos especially not the bigger clans cus we been around for ever and we dont give a **** about chronos we want to keep naia time the same
Community of servers is stretching from GMT+3 to GMT-7, so time zone GMT-1 would be possible the best for all, at least it avoids night hours for all players.
The best way to determine majority of each server is to check number of players online in each hour during a day.
Given the posts that recite something along the lines of, "...remember that when L2 started we did not have any European servers...", well, that is true for approximately the first three months of Lineage 2's life outside of Korea. (L2 was launched in Korea before North America).
Stopped reading after this, as it seems you feeding people with inaccurate and false propaganda.
Stopped reading after this, as it seems you feeding people with inaccurate and false propaganda.
Three months..../facepalm.
I am not really sure how you feel I am feeding people with inaccurate and false propaganda.
I was corrected as to when I thought Lineage 2 was officially released. I said around August 2004 when it was April 2004. At that time (official launch) there were no European servers, but the first European server (Teon) was launched in November 2004...so, instead of approximately three months - as my original statement stated - it was approximately seven months without a European server. Still, in either regard, it has been about seven years with European server(s).
I admit I did not go back and actually quote the people who said things such as - "...remember that when L2 started we did not have any European servers..." - and that statement was meant to encompass all the various statements of that nature but, if you have been reading the various threads about this topic, the statements are there.
Had you truly read the very first sentence - and here it is again - you would recognize the fact that I was relying on my memory for the dates....
If my memory serves me correctly - and insterted here is my disclaimer that it does, from time to time, fail me and to some extent, quite miserably - L2 in the North American market was released around August 2004.
So, From August 2004 to November 2004 is approximately three months depending on exact dates.
From April 2004 to November 2004 is approximately seven months depending on exact dates.
Three months..../facepalm.
Yeah, I'll go ahead and /facepalm for missing approximately four months after seven years...
Stopped reading after this, as it seems you feeding people with inaccurate and false propaganda.
Three months..../facepalm.
If the timezone issue was a big enough issue to any of the euros playing on any of the NA servers they would have transferred or started on a Euro server when it opened up.+
Lots of the Euros complaining about the lack of Euro servers in the beginning have a more recent join date. I would be willing to bet that many of the Euro's voting for a time more friendly to them joined a NA server while Euro servers existed.
Also the time picked is most friendly to BRs, and most of the BRs that play now had just joined the game.
The best and only way to go about this is as follows;
1. Include the Announcement into the NCsoft Hourly Spam. To get more people to vote.
2. Allow free transfers for everybody to move their toons once the dust is settled. -> This will make the majority of the population happy. Not everybody but most.
3. Once the Xfers are all done, revaluate the server population and start new servers and xfers for the heavily populated ones.
A Smarter way to go about this is to start a new server right now, and have everybody who wants a xfer to this server vote for the time they want.
I dont care what ya do with every other server but leave CHRONOS alone.....#1 everone is used to it being the time that it is and #2 it is only obvious from last weeks "Weekly Maint ( 1-05-2012) more crap is getting screwed up than fixxed, so before things get further screwed up....leave it alone. Instead of worrying about changing siege times.....try looking through the forums at all the complaints ppl have....and fix them instead....Nuff Said!!!
If the timezone issue was a big enough issue to any of the euros playing on any of the NA servers they would have transferred or started on a Euro server when it opened up.+
Lots of the Euros complaining about the lack of Euro servers in the beginning have a more recent join date. I would be willing to bet that many of the Euro's voting for a time more friendly to them joined a NA server while Euro servers existed.
Also the time picked is most friendly to BRs, and most of the BRs that play now had just joined the game.
/facepalm
Do you even know conditions under which you could transfer? I bet you would also leave CH and go to another server to compete for CH again. CH was the connection. People joined clans with CH. They joined working clans. I am so sorry for your lack of common sense.
/facepalm
Do you even know conditions under which you could transfer? I bet you would also leave CH and go to another server to compete for CH again. CH was the connection. People joined clans with CH. They joined working clans. I am so sorry for your lack of common sense.
You still could have moved and joined a clan with one or sold the one you had for RL$ and then brought a new one with RL $ (as has been a most common practice for the longest time). How many Euros are still even around from before Nov 2004? Like 5% of the total population (maybe?). More accurately, how many of them are still on the same toon? They should have never even opened Chronos/Naia times zones to a poll. It's fine they did it for the new servers, but the old ones should have been left as is. At best they should have given a range of time zones to choose from that still fit in with NA/Euro.
So Chronos could have been like GMT-8 to GMT-5 choice and Naia could have been GMT +0 to GMT +3 as a choice.
Do you understand that you describe behavior which is punishable by ban of acc? Maybe it will be strange for you but I havent used any 3rd party program and I never sold anything for RM. It is hard to believe that there are people who dont use it and even dont want to use it.
Tell me one really logic argument why server which has 90 % of population playing from GMT to GMT+3 should remain in GMT -7? everyone has got the same opportunity. Noone discriminates US players. They are also allowed to vote.
How many Euros are still even around from before Nov 2004? Like 5% of the total population (maybe?). More accurately, how many of them are still on the same toon?
me and several of my friends but we did hop around servers after kain was merged with lionna ;)
I saw your WRONG numbers then disregarded the rest of your text. 6000 players is the max number online at one given time, the actual number of players who play on a server is completely different.
To the "you should've gone on an EU server from the start" thing......
1) Not everyone knows about sieges when they start.
2) Sieges weren't too big of an issue one siege every 2 weeks. It's since C4 onwards with the introduction of Oly, TW and more and more server time based events that EU players got screwed.
So yeah, Europeans have been screwed and made a lot of QQ here because of constant 'server time' updates and no full transfer, good to see you guys QQing now. Now theres a chance of getting a time that's reasonable for all, midday for US instead 3am or 1am-7am oly.
If you look at the server graphs you'll notice that Chronos and even back to Bartz/Erica/Devianne etc has always been even or more EU compared to US players. There's always the downpoint roughly 2 hours after euro downpoint, 2nd siege has always dropped participation by 40%. The server times people are voting for follows the server population perfectly and works well for the majority.
P.S. To the "multiple accounts boo hoo". People will be voting from all time zones with multiple accounts, it works both ways. I thinks it's time you lazy gits manned up and accepted you can wake up before midday as it's fairer for what's obviously a large portion of the server population.
How many Euros are still even around from before Nov 2004? Like 5% of the total population (maybe?).
I could name at least 30 in my friends list on Chronos alone. Some from 2004, others a little later. It was in C4 with oly that the 'server time' junk kicked in anyway, not the opening of Teon.
The best and only way to go about this is as follows;
1. Include the Announcement into the NCsoft Hourly Spam. To get more people to vote.
2. Allow free transfers for everybody to move their toons once the dust is settled. -> This will make the majority of the population happy. Not everybody but most.
3. Once the Xfers are all done, revaluate the server population and start new servers and xfers for the heavily populated ones.
A Smarter way to go about this is to start a new server right now, and have everybody who wants a xfer to this server vote for the time they want.
1. /Agree and since this is going to affect mostly the life of players that do participate on sieges and tw and have to tuned their real life with game's hours and not the ones that log to bot or farm or the casual players of ''when i have nothing else to do i log in l2'',they should make a poll were only the accounts with high lvl toons that are taged into a clan that has participated atleast once on naia tw/sieges can vote.
Because,as it is now,any farmer with unlimited accounts can vote over and over to change server time to suit him best so he finds better empty spots,having the hours of drops when he want them to be,making real people to quit Ncwest servers for good ect ect,or even more naive,any 12 years kid who has no idea about how server hours affect the gaming to ruine once again-and for the final time- this game!
-For all other,i disagree.We dont want or need other transfers,we had ENOUGH with transfers all these years because Ncwest was messing the servers.Transfer server means you loose all you had worked for,your items/adena/wh stuff/toons/friends/clan/ally and if the young players who go 1-86 into 2 weeks and get free gear from Nc cant realise that,they better listen and learn.We did spent so much of our life to bypass these problems and we are again victims of the ''high traffic,f2p,no accounts limit'',we dont need anymore problems.
We had ENOUGH of problems,there are thousands of prive servers that dont merge,dont change their hours and dont have high traffic and lag to play to.Sace and the rest of team should read our positions and inform the clever minds in Korea.I wonder,is this how they treat their korean customers too,or we get the special treatment?
I dont see why new players should care what you think and make their mind about what they will vote.
As i said. f2p is an idea i said many times for years now to my friends for l2...since they can earn more money through l2store + have a lot more players and not a dead game.
This ofc...brought into the game lower quality of players...or lets say lower community, since i bet age average decreased as well. BUT again, i dont see why these new players should care about what old ''burn-outs'' players think. It was our choise to play 7 years to get 85 etc...
I saw your WRONG numbers then disregarded the rest of your text. 6000 players is the max number online at one given time, the actual number of players who play on a server is completely different.
Wrong as you may say the numbers are, I pulled the numbers off the graph and those are the only numbers I have access to and I cannot validate those numbers, but it is what I have to use and I used the MAX Since Last Restart and I suppose in hindsight, I should have used the Playing numbers instead. However, based on those graphs, I have seen the actual playing number go beyond 6000. I also do not recall NCSoft/NCWest ever giving us official hard numbers as to what the cap is. Speculation has always been 6000, but is that a hard number or soft number? A hard number means that at exactly 6000 connections no other connections can be made. A soft number means that once 6000 is reached, more connections can be made but it becomes increasingly difficult for connections to be made. If anyone can provide official numbers, then by all means do so. Anything I have found on the boards is just speculation.
All of the numbers are going to be misleading due to the number of characters logged in to sit for the event, bots, adena spammers, multi-boxers and you could even count the AFK shops. You are right in that the number of players logged in and the number of playing players is always going to be different. Technically, we need to add in the potential players during the times when they cannot log in due to the server being full. You also need to factor in the normal rotation of players due to the times that they do play. Obviously when some of us go to bed, others are just logging in to get started and vise-versa. If you add those in then what is the total suspected server population? 8000? 10,000? 12,000?
Please do not misconstrue my post as any form of crying as I have not participated in the event based activities in years and should I decide to, I will deal with the time at which they take place. I am simply posting information in response to other posts. Should any of my information be wrong, which some has been pointed out, I openly accept that. I do, however, find it interesting that someone would completely disregard everything I said as soon as they find something that might be wrong.
This whole topic is far more complex than just European and North American time zones and we could probably write a 120-page dissertation on the The Proper Time Zone Distribution of Lineage II Game Servers to Accommodate a Global Gaming Society.
Actually, now that I think about it, my numbers are completely wrong. :eek: I used a snapshot in time against the total number of votes. I would need to know what the total number of single individual logins are over a 24 hour period to even come close. In reality, I would probably have to do that over, say a 7 day period (to cover those that do not login every day), to get as close to the true number as possible.
In any given hour if 2000 people log off and 2000 new people log in, the server being pegged near 6000 does not reflect that. The question that I cannot answer is; what is the actual server population of any server? Chronos and Naia, for example, could have a total server population of 50,000 individual players each. If 1000 players log off a server and are replaced with 1000 new players logging in each hour, that in itself is 24,000 players. Is that conceivable?
In this, I apologize for giving wrong information. And thank you Ferine for making think about that! :)
Actually, now that I think about it, my numbers are completely wrong. :eek: I used a snapshot in time against the total number of votes. I would need to know what the total number of single individual logins are over a 24 hour period to even come close. In reality, I would probably have to do that over, say a 7 day period (to cover those that do not login every day), to get as close to the true number as possible.
In any given hour if 2000 people log off and 2000 new people log in, the server being pegged near 6000 does not reflect that. The question that I cannot answer is; what is the actual server population of any server? Chronos and Naia, for example, could have a total server population of 50,000 individual players each. If 1000 players log off a server and are replaced with 1000 new players logging in each hour, that in itself is 24,000 players. Is that conceivable?
In this, I apologize for giving wrong information. And thank you Ferine for making think about that! :)
Now I will openly /FACEPALM
My apologies for being so harsh about it.
To get the actual amount of players now is pretty tough, it'd probably need the amount of active connections per month from individual IP addresses. You'd get false extras from those with dynamic IP, but make up for that by missing places with multiple players using the same IP such as colleges.
One thing people keep forgetting when they say a person can just make a new account and vote is that people could do that and vote for ANY timezone. I'ts perfectly plausible that 70% of the American votes could have been made by people voting more than once. In fact I'd say it was very highly likely that the American votes are mostly rigged since it's they who seem most upset about it.
P.S. Interesting fact: Many EU players don't speak English as their first language so don't post, it makes it look like the majority are QQing, but it's just a vocal minority.
I wonder if the Euro's that are Voting on Chronos even know what they are voting for, its not raid boss spawn...its Sieges. So continue to vote for a timezone closer to Euro , and all the Euro's that think this will be awesome! they can now get a castle! think again, this means that it'll be on Bregan/FS Prime time! and they will take all the castle with alt clans! they already own Innadrill oren dion and rune . oh and they just added Giran to that List, lol so continue to vote for a timezone that you will only get owned on by clans alot better then yourselves. so you can QQ that game isnt fair, and just sit on siege field dead like you already do to farm fame. NCsoft give us a server that is Truly North American instead of EU or half *****.
+1 for me, if u move things 3 or 4 hours then everyone can participate
europeans and americans and asians , its a middle time zone then .
But really if u'd wanna do "church in the middle politics" ideal be one month one euro zone next month on american time.
let's be real. no sane US person with a life is going to be caught dead playing L2 at noon in the spring/summer time.
i'm still pulling for just make x amount of euro and y amount of NA servers, let everyone transfer where they want to, then leave us the **** alone.
edit: and that's for the est timezone, central is basically the same way. pacific however is gonna be at 8am-ish. hope you west coast brahs are morning people!
Ya so basically not a single ******* NA time so it's not like ppl could even transfer to a new server.
UTC+0 and UTC-1 are North American time zones. Your continent stretches from UTC+0 (Danmarkshavn on Greenland) to UTC-10 (Aleutian Islands west of Alaska).
Ya so basically not a single ******* NA time so it's not like ppl could even transfer to a new server.
Why should I have to give up my items to move to a new server anyway? I started on a NA server on NA times. Why should it change now? There aren't that many euros on Shilen. I would say the majority of our server is from Latin or South America. There's a Romanian guild that is working hard grinding up level 20s to vote. I've seen them out at the ruins of despair ISS buffing full groups of voting alts. Six guys standing around while one guy is killing mobs for the quest items.
I should pay for this easily exploited voting system?
same thing is happening on Chronus had to castle quest in Ruins, saw 1 ISs with 6 people running around killing mobs, there were 4 iss there all from euro clans.
How many accounts were created right after voting went active? There is no limit on the amount of accounts an ip can create now.
UTC+0 and UTC-1 are North American time zones. Your continent stretches from UTC+0 (Danmarkshavn on Greenland) to UTC-10 (Aleutian Islands west of Alaska).
Speaking of convention... no one considers those as NA times for the purposes of general discussion. I suppose we could chalk up the far stretches of Rusland as being a suitable Euro time, but most would balk at it. Nice try though ;)
Why should I have to give up my items to move to a new server anyway? I started on a NA server on NA times. Why should it change now? There aren't that many euros on Shilen. I would say the majority of our server is from Latin or South America. There's a Romanian guild that is working hard grinding up level 20s to vote. I've seen them out at the ruins of despair ISS buffing full groups of voting alts. Six guys standing around while one guy is killing mobs for the quest items.
I should pay for this easily exploited voting system?
You shouldn't have to, but at least it would be an alternative.
Speaking of convention... no one considers those as NA times for the purposes of general discussion. I suppose we could chalk up the far stretches of Rusland as being a suitable Euro time, but most would balk at it. Nice try though ;)
The "far stretches of Russia" (the European part, since we are talking about Europe here) are at UTC+4 - and yes, they are still suitable. They aren't even the most extreme time zone in Europe; Kazakhstan is, at UTC+5.
On the other hand, both Greenland and the Aleutian Islands are in North America. Both are even on the North American continental plate (... but so is Kamchatka and most of Japan).
The "far stretches of Russia" (the European part, since we are talking about Europe here) are at UTC+4 - and yes, they are still suitable. They aren't even the most extreme time zone in Europe; Kazakhstan is, at UTC+5.
On the other hand, both Greenland and the Aleutian Islands are in North America. Both are even on the North American continental plate (... but so is Kamchatka and most of Japan).
I am wondering why the heck we even need a poll… NCSoft has all the information about each of our accounts and can determine the actual location of the player base by the IPs we each use to access their servers. So, they are most likely trolling us with a “Wag the Dog (http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/wag+the+dog.html)” campaign during this dismal customer support/Quality of service we are currently experiencing.
Fix the lag and shots not working problem and stop goofing around with the server times, STAY FOCUSED ON REAL ISSUES.
Can someone tell me what time zone is winning as the vote currently stands on Chronos? I can't read it on this laptop as it looks like white text on white background ><
Yes I am SoulMagic, but with all the recent hackings I don't want to log in that account as I am concerned that this web site and forum are insecure :(
IMO you nc ppl should NOT have included Chronos and Naia in this poll... The free server transfers will take care of people who want to change.
Can someone tell me what time zone is winning as the vote currently stands on Chronos? I can't read it on this laptop as it looks like white text on white background ><
Yes I am SoulMagic, but with all the recent hackings I don't want to log in that account as I am concerned that this web site and forum are insecure :(
IMO you nc ppl should NOT have included Chronos and Naia in this poll... The free server transfers will take care of people who want to change.
Currently 25% of the vote is by Americans.
75% of the vote is for GMT-4 as voted for by the minority of the server.
I'm sure most of the American vote is by people making multiple accounts too, I've seen tons of bot parties recently and they're all wearing red, white and blue and singing the star spangled banner.
Why should I have to give up my items to move to a new server anyway? I started on a NA server on NA times. Why should it change now? There aren't that many euros on Shilen. I would say the majority of our server is from Latin or South America. There's a Romanian guild that is working hard grinding up level 20s to vote. I've seen them out at the ruins of despair ISS buffing full groups of voting alts. Six guys standing around while one guy is killing mobs for the quest items.
I should pay for this easily exploited voting system?
finding the black sheep for your possible fail aren't you? Keep going mate, it's actually funny to watch.
Ya so basically not a single ******* NA time so it's not like ppl could even transfer to a new server. Arrogant Euros and dumb NCSoft executives make for a piss poor combination.
american speaking of arrogance (hahahahah). you are born with "I'm the center of earth" believes and still speaking about arrogance.
Bartz is safe so you can all stop your myopic self-centered, sanctimonious whining about not having any NA servers and how hard done by you all are.
infact, sod it set 3 NA and 3 EU and give everyone the option to have FULL transfers(kit,money, clans, the lot) and be done with it all, once and for all.
it will keep happy all the egotistical ppl that think they, the minority, rule.
Noone and I repeat noone prohibits NA players to vote. Every account has got one vote. Please go and tell your NA friends to vote. It is called democracy. I think even you heard about it in US.
Noone and I repeat noone prohibits NA players to vote. Every account has got one vote. Please go and tell your NA friends to vote. It is called democracy. I think even you heard about it in US.
Do they realize Innova could sue NCSoft for a breach of contact if the make any these servers Euro?
You do realize that as long as the servers stay in NA they will never be Euro; if the majority of the server wishes the times to change to something more convenient for them, then it is just good business sense for NCWest to change them so. If the new times happen to correspond with Euro times then " Oh well guess that is just a weird coincidence"
Of course knowing NCWest they will probably do something stupid like put a Euro tag on the servers; thus advertising them as Euro servers which could result in a breach of contract (not knowing the details of said contract we have no way to know for sure though).
Noone and I repeat noone prohibits NA players to vote. Every account has got one vote. Please go and tell your NA friends to vote. It is called democracy. I think even you heard about it in US.
Yea we've heard about it, it's where two wolves and a sheep decide what's for dinner. It's one of the reasons we went with a republic instead. No one and I repeat no one made you stay on a NA time server. The EU time ones have been there for a long time superstar.
Maybe you guys dont realize that a lot of NA players might work night shift, and will vote for the times that work for them, and not what always works for you.
TBH hearing people saying NA for NA only, and EU for EU only...Maybe some NA players like EU times more, however they don't want to go play an EU server.
Yeah I am from NA, east coast USA actually, but I did vote for EU times.
Why all the hate? This is after all just a game. Apparently some take it more seriously than others but then some people take professional sports, Paris Hilton and Pippa seriously...lol... IT is simple... NC is going to continue to do things the way they always have. We are just deluding ourselves if we think that anyone outside the Korean market even matter to them. So hate on each other some more while NC distracts you with silly votes.
P.S. I heard a rumor that there is already a class action law suit in the works against NCWest. I don't know if it's true but they do run servers and have offices in the U.S. which makes them subject to U.S. Law. In a country where you can spill coffee on your own lap, sue for millions and win I wouldn't be surprised...lol...
Why so much hate because I been playing the same times for 7 years and now they tell us well we going to change them even though the voting don't mean anything?
Why don't they see when peak action on the server really is and ignore the actual voting.
If more people are actively partying from 6pm - 1 am est then obvioulsy its not a Euro centeric server its just some euros rigging the voting.
Which can be seen by Naia and Chronus, both at max pop of 6300, but chornus has 2300 votes, naia has 500?
Of course knowing NCWest they will probably do something stupid like put a Euro tag on the servers; thus advertising them as Euro servers which could result in a breach of contract (not knowing the details of said contract we have no way to know for sure though).
http://puu.sh/dG0Z
as shown in link, they can just TAG the server names with a timezone, just like Naia says GMT+1
P.S. I heard a rumor that there is already a class action law suit in the works against NCWest. I don't know if it's true but they do run servers and have offices in the U.S. which makes them subject to U.S. Law. In a country where you can spill coffee on your own lap, sue for millions and win I wouldn't be surprised...lol...
as your the 1st person to bring this rumor up, i guess you just created it as this is how stupid rumors are made.
MSANia you would know stupid... Bet you still think the first person that smells a **** has to be the one that farted...lol... Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it not true.
Instead of complaining about them changing times, go vote for the time you want. Also encourage your friends to vote for times they want. It's not hard to do.
Not everyone works a 8-5 job so to speak, even in NA. Sometimes NA times for NA players don't always fit their life style/schedule and if tweaked by xx amount of hours would be better for that specific player. (They could have kids and only be able to play after the kids are asleep, people could work night shift, or any number of things.)
All of the complaining is amusing to be honest. Mainly because they are giving people a vote to use, yet everyone acts as if they have no say in the matter.
You're missing the point. People joined the server they joined because of the timezones they were on. In a sense we already voted for what timezone we wanted by joining the server.
You're missing the point. People joined the server they joined because of the timezones they were on. In a sense we already voted for what timezone we wanted by joining the server.
+1
With all new time zones set up, none work for me or the 3 other ppl I currently play hard with. It's not like I don't want to go to these events because it happens at my time 10am, it's because I have work that I can not simply just drop so that I can attend these events. So just for us small group of 4, I can just imagine how many more like me and my group will fail because of stuffed ballets.
We voted on time zones when we choose the server.
Ppl keep saying, "why all this qqing, you are taking this game too serious", when in fact for the fact that I have work instead of skipping it to play this game imo thats not half as taking serious as some of these ppl who feel that a whole server should have to change for them.
Even Barts shares more EU time friendly time zone then NA, again the siege takes place at like 3pm for my time zone.
I liked having sieges at the time they were, sure I missed the first 40 min of the first siege due to travel to get home from work. So already I felt I was giving up enough. Now I will never be able to participate in any of the events, oly/siege/TW even manor. So really what is the point to playing this game if the best parts are the events that now I can't play?
I did not choose a EU server like these EU players choose a NA server. I choose a NA time zone to play on.
Thank you NC for this opportunity. I appreciate it and vote.
To all people saying it's catastrophe: is your life really revolving around this game that much? If yes, I am sure you will adapt to whatever time community settles. If not, it's not a big deal anyway and you continue playing the way you did before.
Thank you NC for this opportunity. I appreciate it and vote.
To all people saying it's catastrophe: is your life really revolving around this game that much? If yes, I am sure you will adapt to whatever time community settles. If not, it's not a big deal anyway and you continue playing the way you did before.
I don't know about you but a lot of people choose evenings to go out, having sieges at 11pm kind of screws up your whole evening. Right now its a good balance between NA people being able to do sieges before it gets too late and Euros can do sieges after being able to spend the evening doing other stuff.
Same goes for olympiad, Euros can adapt to current olympiad times. People working on Fridays cannot take the day off...
And I am Euro and have a job and I despise the idea of changing the server time
You're missing the point. People joined the server they joined because of the timezones they were on. In a sense we already voted for what timezone we wanted by joining the server.
True, though to be honest with times up for vote, maybe more should be talking their NA friends into voting for NA times.(Because there's nothing we can really do about it since it's up for vote already.)
I've spoken to a good amount of people, who didn't even know voting was up to even change times. (They voted for NA times.)
Sometimes it's the lack of information people have. Something which can be fixed easily.
The world is perfect, wouldnt you say? NA servers, for NA boxes, for NA players.
Go cry to Innova, NCWest ftw.
what makes you think I care about Innova? If I wanted to play one of Innova servers I would have gone there; but I didn't. It's actually better seeing you crying out loud about us taking over your "american servers".
Something don't seem right.... Everytime there is 1 vote for NA times on Chornus there 10 - 20 votes for Euro times... I also have seen the numbers for NA times disappear (there is about 30 less votes then there was yesterday)
Is this voting rigged? If it is does NA NCSoft not care their company is in NA?
Something don't seem right.... Everytime there is 1 vote for NA times on Chornus there 10 - 20 votes for Euro times... I also have seen the numbers for NA times disappear (there is about 30 less votes then there was yesterday)
Is this voting rigged? If it is does NA NCSoft not care their company is in NA?
Stop being paranoid, seriously.
This vote will take 1 more week ... i am curious what else the NA community will come up with in this week trying to stop this poll. Seemingly they cant live with the fact that the EU community is better organised and more in Numbers.
Honestly you havent seen people just creating accounts to vote?
Sorry I do not have enough time on my hands to create 20 accounts and hour to vote on a poll.
What the hell were they thinking 20+?
How about at least 75+?
Voting for server times was the easy way out from the problem (aka. EU players more than NA). The hard but fair way would be to assign server times according to population but allow full account transfers (aka. all toons, full warehouses) for free. NC Soft never took the right path; always the easy one. Did you think they will change now?
what makes you think I care about Innova? If I wanted to play one of Innova servers I would have gone there; but I didn't. It's actually better seeing you crying out loud about us taking over your "american servers".
LOL, Really dude, are you really saying that 1000+ accounts have been created just to vote for Euro times on the server? Currently there's roughly 1726 votes on Euro times compared to about 650 on US times (including estimation for the small stacks and low votes). That's 1076 more votes than US, so over 1076 accounts have been made just to vote assuming no American voters have made acounts?
Do you want a tin foil hat to wear whilst you're clutching those straws?
The world is perfect, wouldnt you say? NA servers, for NA boxes, for NA players.
Go cry to Innova, NCWest ftw.
the answer is pretty easy, imo: u are not the center of the world, definitely. The real challenge is to find a solution for all player who dotn want to go to Innova. U dont have to decide where other ppl have togo without to give a statement about the place they have to go is less good, better or equal then urs. So i agree, ur statement, so fare, is an arrogant chunck of text.
The solution is simple. NCSoft can release the voting statistics. Lets see how many votes came from unique ips. They probably won't do that just like they won't respond to our concerns about voting fraud in this thread.
The solution is simple. NCSoft can release the voting statistics. Lets see how many votes came from unique ips. They probably won't do that just like they won't respond to our concerns about voting fraud in this thread.
Here's some statistics for you. For the votes to be EVEN:
There'd of needed to be over 1000 accounts made specifically to vote EU.
That'd take 1000 new e-mail addresses.
Then over 1500 Hours of grinding newbie quests.
That's assuming 100% of American votes are non-fraudulent.
Now who on earth in their right mind would go to all the effort of doing that for a vote that only affects pvpers and legit players? The people MOST likely to commit voting fraud are people voting for American times and they have less than 25% of the vote, I'd say at least 40-50% of American votes are people using multiple accounts.
Here's some statistics for you. For the votes to be EVEN:
There'd of needed to be over 1000 accounts made specifically to vote EU.
That'd take 1000 new e-mail addresses.
Then over 1500 Hours of grinding newbie quests.
That's assuming 100% of American votes are non-fraudulent.
Now who on earth in their right mind would go to all the effort of doing that for a vote that only affects pvpers and legit players? The people MOST likely to commit voting fraud are people voting for American times and they have less than 25% of the vote, I'd say at least 40-50% of American votes are people using multiple accounts.
I'd say farmers are more likely to create accounts for voting purposes than anyone in the US.
Nc should have set a date where accounts created after it could not vote, and there needs to be an in-game message about it, not "herp derp we're always watching bots". Because let's be serious, nobody believes you on that one, might as well replace it with some info that's actually relevant to the player base.
Doing that^ might also direct people to the in-game community board which I'm sure next to nobody knows is finally working again, does it not support polls?
All this qq about "euros stoled my server", reminds me of something called history(i think).
Some time ago a certain continent was colonized, and in the process almost all natives got wiped, their lands stolen, and the survivors where forced to live in the most crappy pieces of land, called reservations; wich resemble a large,outdoor prison.
Before reading this thread i din`t cared much about server`s timezones, but now i whant to inform all qq`ers,and people that say go play"innova" because i say so, that i just voted for euro gtm+2 time zone whis all my 8 accounts.For all servers ofc. And when i get home i will ask my friends to vote whis all their accounts too.
Don`t despair you can go play on innova and ask for a NA timezone server. I am sure they will make one asap if you show them some money. And for a little extra they can make a deal whis NcWest to allow transfers from here to innova too.
I whant to see more drama, maybe ncsoft will make a new server called "Indian reserve"(Na timezone) and transfer all surviving "native" players there for free(wharehouse included).
I'd say farmers are more likely to create accounts for voting purposes than anyone in the US.
WOW, Really? You honestly believe that?
How would they benefit for the mass risk and time involved? In all my years of L2 I've never seen farmers decide to start going to sieges, I've never seen them farming olympiad, I've never seen them in TW or anything else.
What on earth would drive farmers to make 1000s of accounts for the sole purpose of voting on server time, which has no relevant impact on them?
To everyone calling 'conspiracy'. Do you realize you're claiming that 142 new accounts have been made per day and 142 toons made from 0-20 just to vote? That'd mean levelling 5 toons at a time from 0-20 constantly 24/7 for the past 7 days just to vote. Also that's just to make the votes even and assuming that there's been 0 rigged votes for US times.
TBH NC Soft should be able to determine from this that the people that have been paying for this time since the beginning as some of us are Beta users. My account is from Beta and should have a larger say in a server that we have supported through MULTIPLE merges now to completely change the one server that we've been moved into is disheartening. I am not opposed to a change but I do think the current change is to extreme. The server would be backed up a full 4 hours atm, and I do agree as we have all gotten accustomed to Euro clannies/friends over the years that it's unfair that they cannot stay up that late or are exhausted while in siege but in the beginning there was a choice. We had what 9 servers? There was no Euro set time for them and they still made the choice to play the game. I think NC should Veto the poll in the end to take a portion of both and make it 2 hours earlier then it currently is. It would be interesting to see how much of the server that has voted is from before GOD and after TBH to see after the fact as to who wants this the people who have supported the game all this time or the new people who couldn't have been bothered until it was free to play. Even IF they do spend 4x the amount for L2 Gallery items currently.
How would they benefit for the mass risk and time involved? In all my years of L2 I've never seen farmers decide to start going to sieges, I've never seen them farming olympiad, I've never seen them in TW or anything else.
What on earth would drive farmers to make 1000s of accounts for the sole purpose of voting on server time, which has no relevant impact on them?
To everyone calling 'conspiracy'. Do you realize you're claiming that 142 new accounts have been made per day and 142 toons made from 0-20 just to vote? That'd mean levelling 5 toons at a time from 0-20 constantly 24/7 for the past 7 days just to vote. Also that's just to make the votes even and assuming that there's been 0 rigged votes for US times.
I don't know where you been playing but farmers use to pvp locked down raids and Siege on Dev.
Bots have fixed events and seven signs at times to benefit themselves.
So please. Also where you get it would take 1500 hours to level that many?
Programs can control up to 9 at a time from a single login, and there are botters who do not sell adena too sorry to break it to you.
Takes 20 minutes to register a fake email login and hit level 20, 27 an hour by just 1 person.
If only one person did it would take 37 hours to register 1000 votes. If 15 do it take 12 hours if 20 did less then 5 hours. 37 1 hour.... 37 people wow thats 1/5 of a big clan. Now if several euro based clans have 10 people do it.... well you get where this is going.
So it is a lot easier then you think it is, you do not need a real email address to make a plaync account, and it can be automated, why you think there so many in game lirhqrhqior2hio or 019r51jtqkljfnal or 1u4r91mr10
come on wake up.
You think there is only 500 people in NA playing? Your naive at best. Majority of people don't even look at main forums.
All this qq about "euros stoled my server", reminds me of something called history(i think).
Some time ago a certain continent was colonized, and in the process almost all natives got wiped, their lands stolen, and the survivors where forced to live in the most crappy pieces of land, called reservations; wich resemble a large,outdoor prison.
Before reading this thread i din`t cared much about server`s timezones, but now i whant to inform all qq`ers,and people that say go play"innova" because i say so, that i just voted for euro gtm+2 time zone whis all my 8 accounts.For all servers ofc. And when i get home i will ask my friends to vote whis all their accounts too.
Don`t despair you can go play on innova and ask for a NA timezone server. I am sure they will make one asap if you show them some money. And for a little extra they can make a deal whis NcWest to allow transfers from here to innova too.
I whant to see more drama, maybe ncsoft will make a new server called "Indian reserve"(Na timezone) and transfer all surviving "native" players there for free(wharehouse included).
tbh if i could (Legally) go to where ever in the hell ncwest has set up shop and knock some heads over this retarted server times poll. trust me thay wouldnt be putting me on no rez
and all i am saying is that before this poll i never heard any one QQing about the server time server time has been the same for 6yrs if it aint broke dont mess with it!!!
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With all new time zones set up, none work for me or the 3 other ppl I currently play hard with. It's not like I don't want to go to these events because it happens at my time 10am, it's because I have work that I can not simply just drop so that I can attend these events. So just for us small group of 4, I can just imagine how many more like me and my group will fail because of stuffed ballets.
We voted on time zones when we choose the server.
Ppl keep saying, "why all this qqing, you are taking this game too serious", when in fact for the fact that I have work instead of skipping it to play this game imo thats not half as taking serious as some of these ppl who feel that a whole server should have to change for them.
Even Barts shares more EU time friendly time zone then NA, again the siege takes place at like 3pm for my time zone.
I liked having sieges at the time they were, sure I missed the first 40 min of the first siege due to travel to get home from work. So already I felt I was giving up enough. Now I will never be able to participate in any of the events, oly/siege/TW even manor. So really what is the point to playing this game if the best parts are the events that now I can't play?
I did not choose a EU server like these EU players choose a NA server. I choose a NA time zone to play on.
All this qq about "euros stoled my server", reminds me of something called history(i think).
Some time ago a certain continent was colonized, and in the process almost all natives got wiped, their lands stolen, and the survivors where forced to live in the most crappy pieces of land, called reservations; wich resemble a large,outdoor prison.
Before reading this thread i din`t cared much about server`s timezones, but now i whant to inform all qq`ers,and people that say go play"innova" because i say so, that i just voted for euro gtm+2 time zone whis all my 8 accounts.For all servers ofc. And when i get home i will ask my friends to vote whis all their accounts too.
Don`t despair you can go play on innova and ask for a NA timezone server. I am sure they will make one asap if you show them some money. And for a little extra they can make a deal whis NcWest to allow transfers from here to innova too.
I whant to see more drama, maybe ncsoft will make a new server called "Indian reserve"(Na timezone) and transfer all surviving "native" players there for free(wharehouse included).
+1
and all i am saying is that before this poll i never heard any one QQing about the server time server time has been the same for 6yrs if it aint broke dont mess with it!!!
Just because you haven't heard of people wanting Chronos to have more eu friendly times it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In the past years there were several threads about making siege/tw/oly times more balanced because the eu community was very big on Chronos, but nobody cared! So now that we have the chance of making this happen we will do it. If you really think there are more us players then eu the vote wont look as it is now. Now its our chance to enjoy the game at decent hours, not 4am Monday morning for siege. And you complain cause siege will be at 10/12 am for you? pffff so lame!
I'm glad the vote is going in the direction that it is, it may at last mean that I will be able to enjoy the full range of content of the game without having to try and stay awake until 4am!
It seems to me that the new times would go a long way to making the game far more enjoyable for most of the players, with EU and a good portion of the NA players being able to game together, OK so it's not ideal but neither are the times as they are now.
Hey all!
I bet NCsoft is just tricking us all. Note that when you "vote" you move with siege window times - colored in a way so you probably missed that part as did I when "voted" for Bartz. So you are happy EU player and click onto 19 o'clock then notice you will put these white selection on something like 18-20 + 21-23 -> that perfectly makes server set to NA times. Fail! Feel scummed? I do.
To get Euro times for server you need to put selection on 14-16 + 18-20 times when you vote. Means you actuly need to click onto 15 on graph when picked GMT+1 time zone in box.
All i am saying is that before this poll i never heard any one QQing about the server time server time has been the same for 6yrs if it aint broke dont mess with it!!!
How long have you been playing? There's been masses of complaints for YEARS. Everything including manor time resets, when oly was introduced, TW times, server drop times, event times, you name it.
@Slycutter I can't believe you honsestly think that normal people would bother making 1000s of accounts just to vote on this poll. Who's to say all American votes aren't made from bot accounts?
As someone posted on another forum: L2 NA wouldn't still be going if it wasn't for the European players, who've made up the majority of the server population thoroughout the lifetime of the game.
Obviously without being racist you haven't played on server with people from certain countries. Anyone who is orginally from Dev or Kain will completly understan I am right.
This people are not normal, they live for L2 these are same people who use to buy Boss jewels and +10 or higher weapon for IRL Euros. They do anything it takes to win even if it has to beg borrow and cheat.
Obviously without being racist you haven't played on server with people from certain countries. Anyone who is orginally from Dev or Kain will completly understan I am right.
This people are not normal, they live for L2 these are same people who use to buy Boss jewels and +10 or higher weapon for IRL Euros. They do anything it takes to win even if it has to beg borrow and cheat.
Coming from Erica then Bartz the most fanatical gamers on both servers were Americans. It was Americans who blocked the server out of the seven signs with bots, it was Americans who paid the raid farmers to help siege and protected them from enemy allies. It was Americans who used any hacks they could like exploiting the manor system with bots, buying +16 weapons and running the vast majority of player bot trains.
I have nothing against Americans I'm just pointing out you can't blame everything on people from one area. There's people who will go to extremes from all places.
Personally I'd suspect that maybe 20% of all votes for all times are from multi box accounts, but highly doubt that anyone's gone to the trouble of rigging the vote by using over 1000 newly made toons.
There are a very high number of European players who want change and many Americans who are happy with change as it means the're non-US clan/ally mates can help them. There are far less Americans who are so badly affected that they will vote for no change.
Obviously without being racist you haven't played on server with people from certain countries. Anyone who is orginally from Dev or Kain will completly understan I am right.
This people are not normal, they live for L2 these are same people who use to buy Boss jewels and +10 or higher weapon for IRL Euros. They do anything it takes to win even if it has to beg borrow and cheat.
Talking about devianne or ex-devianne -players.... i can get in my mind more US-ebayers than EU :)
On dev greeks (mostly p00t) were accused (i have been doing this for long time till i realised what was really going on, with top non-greek server leaders running bot groups and selling bj etc...) for being mass-ebayers but if you could make an honest research you would realise how many NA were doing even worse.
Examples...many, but not the best to mention here ^^
And no Mr.Consipracy, no one will do 1000 accounts just to vote. You can do it if you want to win the voting and we will be ok :p
Hey all!
I bet NCsoft is just tricking us all. Note that when you "vote" you move with siege window times - colored in a way so you probably missed that part as did I when "voted" for Bartz. So you are happy EU player and click onto 19 o'clock then notice you will put these white selection on something like 18-20 + 21-23 -> that perfectly makes server set to NA times. Fail! Feel scummed? I do.
Lol, did you happen to select your time zone first in the drop down box by any chance? Cause if you missed that, congratz, you just voted on GMT-6 timezone! :D
i was just looking at the voting, and Chronus is being voted into being a Brazilian server apparently i didn't realize it was there time zone its not the euros.
Lol, did you happen to select your time zone first in the drop down box by any chance? Cause if you missed that, congratz, you just voted on GMT-6 timezone! :D
You dont vote via choosing your time zone. It only helps you to visualise times in your time zone and yes I picked my time zone. You failed to understand what I wrote. You better make 20 lvl toon and check it out. Choose GMT+1, click 19-oo - 19-59 graph and woala you voted for GMT-5 = Brazil :eek:
I'm glad the vote is going in the direction that it is, it may at last mean that I will be able to enjoy the full range of content of the game without having to try and stay awake until 4am!
It seems to me that the new times would go a long way to making the game far more enjoyable for most of the players, with EU and a good portion of the NA players being able to game together, OK so it's not ideal but neither are the times as they are now.
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whilst its apparently not GMT time we have voted for it is the time that benefits me the greatest, we in the UK get the castle seiges at 6-8pm and again at 10pm to midnight. no more staying up untill 4 am or only attending the first seige. ppl have not been voting on specific timezones but the time that benefits them the most. whilst ppl constantly QQ its BR time, who the hell cares, its the end result i want to see.
and instead of the time zone shift making the game prohibative for some like it curently is it makes it better for all. you god dams can still get on during the day and seige easier than we can stay up late and mess up our sleep patterns or get very little sleep before work the next day.
After never playing sieges at a reasonable time I hadn't realised what the time was meant to be. 2nd Siege finishing at midnight GMT seemed to be right for a GMT server time to me, not that it was actually GMT -4, lol.
I think the votes show even more that it's whole clans and allies picking times best for the majority of their whole ally and it's just the minority of picky Americans complaining.
Just because you haven't heard of people wanting Chronos to have more eu friendly times it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In the past years there were several threads about making siege/tw/oly times more balanced because the eu community was very big on Chronos, but nobody cared! So now that we have the chance of making this happen we will do it. If you really think there are more us players then eu the vote wont look as it is now. Now its our chance to enjoy the game at decent hours, not 4am Monday morning for siege. And you complain cause siege will be at 10/12 am for you? pffff so lame!
I would rather have a 4am siege than a 10am siege.
You dont vote via choosing your time zone. It only helps you to visualise times in your time zone and yes I picked my time zone. You failed to understand what I wrote. You better make 20 lvl toon and check it out. Choose GMT+1, click 19-oo - 19-59 graph and woala you voted for GMT-5 = Brazil :eek:
Why are you so stuck on "Brazilian time"? When you choose gmt+1 from the pulldown menu and then click 19:00, that means that the first siege will be from 19:00 to 21:00 gmt+1 time, and the 2nd siege will be from 23:00 to 01:00 gmt+1. That's a perfect time for any euro player, and it still allows US clan/ally members to participate, too.
Why are you so stuck on "Brazilian time"? When you choose gmt+1 from the pulldown menu and then click 19:00, that means that the first siege will be from 19:00 to 21:00 gmt+1 time, and the 2nd siege will be from 23:00 to 01:00 gmt+1. That's a perfect time for any euro player, and it still allows US clan/ally members to participate, too.
In order for me to have that perfect time we would need 16:00 with GMT-7.
So yes it will be perfect for the euros..... None of you euros care about the Americans..
In order for me to have that perfect time we would need 16:00 with GMT-7.
So yes it will be perfect for the euros..... None of you euros care about the Americans..
I gave up caring about US players (except clannies/friends) when the majority of them showed that they never care about euro players, even though it's obvious that currently there are more euro than US players, and just kept repeating stuff like "these are servers for US players, go away", even though L2 was marketed and sold in euro stores even back when there were no euro time servers and nobody had a choice of time zone. L2 on our servers never was "US only", instead it was "whole world except Korea".
I never said the time which currently leads the vote is "the absolute best time ever" for euros, for that it would have to be about 3-4 hours earlier. But it's a good compromise for most clans/alliances so that most of the US players still WILL be able to participate while also finally allowing euros to participate in the late siege. As opposed to a very early Sunday morning siege for US players. At least you won't have to get up at 3am Monday morning like we do now (or, well, don't - because it's impossible if you work).
Idk... switching the seige times to like 10am for me makes seiges MAYBE doable to impossible. I can understand the new servers voting for their server times... but why change the old ones, both naia and chronos should stay the same.
Why not just make it official, move to europe and make yourselves NCEU. Since you could care less about north americans as the north american NC branch.
When we had the last server mergers, they merged servers with the SAME timezones together. They didn't force the EU servers into NA based timezone. Even when the european server physically moved to the U.S. they maintained its timezone. Now the single server where ALL the NA players were merged is being changed with NO apparent remorse or options for them.
Try to think how you all would have felt if, Oh we are merging all the Euro servers to NAIA and by the way its on the NA timezone schedule now. We know you signed up for a EU timezone, but we don't really care. Except now for us NA players its not NC doing it to us, but fellow players..
All the euros joined our server knowing what they would have to deal with schedule wise, nothing shoved down their throat. Now all we are getting from those players and NC by allowing this stupid vote is the finger, thanks.
Funny how people call a fair vote stupid just because it's not going their way....The change of times makes seiges etc go from being un-doable to doable for a large portion of the servers population. The fact that most of the players are now based in EU or few NA players who would prefer EU times it seems to make sense to amend the times so that more of the server population can enjoy the full spectrum of the game rather than keeping it as it is so that only a small portion of the servers players get to enjoy what the game has to offer. Trust me 10am is far better than 4am.:-)
PS for newer players and for many of those returning to the game there is nothing that I can see (please correct me if I'm wrong) that states that Chronos is a NA server.....
there is nothing that I can see (please correct me if I'm wrong) that states that Chronos is a NA server.....
It isn't. It's international. It's been like this from the start.
Enjoy democratic voting, don't you all love it so much?
If you don't like the new time schedule, blame your own lack of interest in the game. Don't forget to ask NCsoft why they neglect advertising and promoting the game on the world's biggest market.
It's funny how there seemingly are more Greeks than Americans on Chronos, while USA has 30 times more people.
its funny how americans support their arguments, it looks like "act as we or **** :)"
we EU are here coz we dont like what Innova did some time ago - i dont want to go over and over with history of l2 lessons...
'We' (Euros/British etc) are here because this game is sold for the whole west not just America. I bought the game from a retail store on the UK high street, it was advertised and sold at retail accross Britain, Europe and America.
Innova has nothing to do with the game af far as I'm concerned, I've played for 6-7 years and only heard of Innova for the first time 3 months ago.
On December 22, 2009 It was announced that the contract between NCsoft and AsianMedia was not renewed. All players in L2SEA are now notified and given 30 days before AsianMedia closes down on all servers in L2SEA.
So stop QQ that EU Players go to innova and such,
Think at the votes are many US Players that like EU time.
THE WINNING TIMEZONE AT CHRONOS ATM IS NOT EU-TIME. IS A MIX OF NA-SOUTH AMERICAN-EU CHOICES.
theres no EU choice at all in that poll from chronos
90% of euro's are +1gmt
second siege on chronos for me would start at 11pm and end at 1 am
i cant do that next day i have to work
other people have to go to school maybe
others meight not have a job but then again every1 will get job sooner or later so their choice would be ******ed also
lookin at chronos votes id say theres not a single EU voting and if they do they have a night shift job or w/e play sieges > go to work
these times do not suit euro's
+1gmt is wat we mostly have in EU only PT/UK have +0gmt
rest is only going upwards so chronos poll is utter **** for euro with normal job
since i assume normal people hop into bed at 11/12pm
most people dont wanna jump into bed right after they came off the pc
so ye id say its not the euro's voting for chronos prolly the people from south america
I started to play l2 in 94 when there was no such thing as euro server,
if NC SOFT had given complete account transfer to euro servers when they came out a lot of
my friends would have moved.
This server is now full of Russian, Greek + other euro countries in fact a lot more than there
is Americans + this is not the first time Euros have called for servers to have time changes
read back in old posts. time changes will give myself and a lot of my clannies a chance to do
TW Sieges etc. As for Naia if u check its NA time zones not euro
+1 to the comments but i would check your dates! you started 9 years before it was released in south korea? well done that man.(or woman, what ever the case may be)
What is worrying me is this:
For what i see around 2000 characters per server had voted (between 800 and 2700 in the 4 servers) that means less different accounts (as you can vote for each lvl 20 char), that means less different people (lineage has an history for boxing)......
What is worrying me is that very few people will decide the fate of the server...and that those people are not really a big % of the total of players in each server.
After that, i am also worried about how NCsoft West do the server transfers (if they do this) ...its very draconic all the items that you cannot transfer, basically crippling your characters way much (as least the current server transfer is this way), so if the server vote goes again the original timezone (the one that make me create the account in this server and not in a different one) i have 2 choices.....missing the most fun part of the game....or quit the game as i cant see NCsoft addressing the transference issues in the short term.
True, but in that case, what about sieges, TW and other events?
ps. im starting to see that most of americans here are aholes...
I'm a bit confused by what you mean. I only said Euros have been playing L2 for years on these servers and that Innovia is nothing to do with Euros and L2 on these servers.
I've been heavily protesting for time changes since the Manor system reset time in C3 right through to them making TW at stupid o'clock for EU times when they could've done it at much more universal times.
i wonder why ncsoft considers this instead of making new servers
people from russia and east europe just going to make tons and tons of lvl 20s on alt account and keep spamming vote until its set to their time cheating the vote.
how come ncsoft doesnt think of this ?
why not make additionnal Euro or eurasian servers and offer free xfer to those if they want to play on those time.
when they choose to play on NA server they choose to play NA time zone it was their choice to begin with if we wanted to play euro NA players would have choosen Euro server.
why are there russian playing on our server anyway when they have tons of server in RUoff anyway their IP should be blocked to begin with.
+1 to the comments but i would check your dates! you started 9 years before it was released in south korea? well done that man.(or woman, what ever the case may be)
I'm a bit confused by what you mean. I only said Euros have been playing L2 for years on these servers and that Innovia is nothing to do with Euros and L2 on these servers.
I've been heavily protesting for time changes since the Manor system reset time in C3 right through to them making TW at stupid o'clock for EU times when they could've done it at much more universal times.
Innova, when ncsoft gave them right to support l2 in europe did alot...
they disabled Mentor to support runes in their store ;) thats the reason i started here ;) there are lack of support etc etc...
@ShellShock08
I saw lots of heavy words from players that meet bots during gameplay...
so..deal with it, innova made an event out of botters and here ppl QQ.
heres your "lol wut".
@ShellShock08
I saw lots of heavy words from players that meet bots during gameplay...
so..deal with it, innova made an event out of botters and here ppl QQ.
heres your "lol wut".
and not a single comprehensible amount of english was seen that day
theres no EU choice at all in that poll from chronos
90% of euro's are +1gmt
second siege on chronos for me would start at 11pm and end at 1 am
i cant do that next day i have to work
other people have to go to school maybe
others meight not have a job but then again every1 will get job sooner or later so their choice would be ******ed also
lookin at chronos votes id say theres not a single EU voting and if they do they have a night shift job or w/e play sieges > go to work
these times do not suit euro's
+1gmt is wat we mostly have in EU only PT/UK have +0gmt
rest is only going upwards so chronos poll is utter **** for euro with normal job
since i assume normal people hop into bed at 11/12pm
most people dont wanna jump into bed right after they came off the pc
so ye id say its not the euro's voting for chronos prolly the people from south america
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am sure it's mostly people from western europe and russia voting for that time. Simply because you HAVE to concentrate on one vote to make sure it wins, and this vote is the best compromise for alliances which have both euro AND US players.
And seriously, the current early siege is already 23:00-01:00 gmt+1, and that siege works perfectly fine for nearly every euro player I know. So it's no problem if that time will be the late siege for now on. And I have to lol at "normal people go to bed at 11pm". People who play online games definitely don't do that...
Also, I am from europe, and I would not want the sieges to be earlier than that vote - because that gives me time to do other stuff in the afternoon.
and not a single comprehensible amount of english was seen that day
yeah hit me with a dictionary, we could talk about that, but - not a single comprehensible amount of argument was seen that day, guess on what side...
eot for me, timezones should be stated rock solid from start and nc should give players a chance to move from one server to other one...
when they choose to play on NA server they choose to play NA time zone it was their choice to begin with if we wanted to play euro NA players would have choosen Euro server.
As has already been pointed out there is nothing that indicates that Chronus is a NA server it just happens to have timings that are set for NA players since the player base is now mainly EU, NC are doing the right thing in letting the players decide when they want the times set for. The old "Ïf it ain't broke don't fix it" only applies if you feel it is working fine, most EU players are not happy with the times and therefor want them changed.
Of course I'm sure you can transfer your characters to a NA server once the changes take effect and because of the conditions of transfer you'll cripple yourself in the process....not so keen on that idea....well what makes you think that any EU players would want too either????
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am sure it's mostly people from western europe and russia voting for that time. Simply because you HAVE to concentrate on one vote to make sure it wins, and this vote is the best compromise for alliances which have both euro AND US players.
And seriously, the current early siege is already 23:00-01:00 gmt+1, and that siege works perfectly fine for nearly every euro player I know. So it's no problem if that time will be the late siege for now on. And I have to lol at "normal people go to bed at 11pm". People who play online games definitely don't do that...
Also, I am from europe, and I would not want the sieges to be earlier than that vote - because that gives me time to do other stuff in the afternoon.
western russia is +2 / +3 gmt so the time sucks for them even harder?
the poll now for a euro is 7pm > 9pm first siege 11pm > 1am 2nd siege <- +1gmt so every1 living more towards russia time most likely go up by +2 gmt or +3 gmt or even higher which means the siege times are NOT chosen by euro's cus majority wont siege at these times just a fact.
divine gamers m8 cus no nerd with work/school will play a dumb siege till 1am which is btw the second siege. by lookin at the poll
u know sieges are sunday, staying up till late as u claim while majority of people in europe have to start work at 7:30 ye good luck saying this ********
most schools start at 8:30 u can do this once but only person u **** over is your self by being zombie that day at work/school
sure if ur kiddo and think a game is more important then school id stay up also but once u figure out that game means nothing compare to anything in rl even if u hate it then ull stop staying up for raids/sieges/oly/tw
ofcourse i rather win few mill and stay at home instead of waking up at 6:30 but hey i dont have a few mil and i have to pay bills so my work > lol lineage 2 and wont stay up to do anything for any1.
I been playing L2 over 7 years... i am used to the way things are on Chronos.....DO NOT CHANGE THE CASTLE SIEGE TIMES ON THIS SERVER PLZ. As one guy said earlier, my life is built around these current times, i would like to see them stayed the same. Another thing, the entire time i played this game the Erica/Sayha/Chronos server is mainly US based players, now that it has gone to F2P we have alot of Euro players making accts on this server ( and i love some of these Euro Players and have some in clan ) but even tho the population may have been "upped" due to them......i dont think they have the right to decide for the Americans that have played this server for as many years that we have. If they want to Vote on siege time on other server, fine and dandy....Use the "FREE" Server transfer and go over to Naia server where it was designed for Euro players ( siege times and such) and then they can make any suggestions they want to. I do not think it is fair to us long standing ppl on the Chrono server to be forced to change siege times due to Euros jumping on the F2P Bandwagon ( make them adapt not us). This should have never been an issue in the 1st pace if NCSoft would have used their heads at the start of F2P and NOT allowed any new accts to be made on the Chronos server ( knowing there would be ppl coming back now that it went F2P who let accts go cuz the couldnt afford to keep their accts up when it was P2P) CMON NC....use your head this time around....dont let us ppl that have Paid to Play suffer for this, show us ppl the have kept you going for so long some appreciation and leave the Siege Times alone. Nuff said!!!
I been playing L2 over 7 years... i am used to the way things are on Chronos.....DO NOT CHANGE THE CASTLE SIEGE TIMES ON THIS SERVER PLZ. As one guy said earlier, my life is built around these current times, i would like to see them stayed the same.
Nothing more needs to be said, there are MANY others in a state of crisis due to this impeding change, a change that could cause substantial mental anguish.
Those of you working at NCSoft should take this time to push back from your desks, stand up and pledge aloud the following:
I swear by Gran Kain, the manifestation of Darkness, and Einhasad, the manifestation of Light, their children and all the gods, and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
I will neither give a bad code to any program if assigned to project team, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. In purity and holiness I will guard my account information and my art.
I will not use the keyboard, not even on hackers from anonymous, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Developer group I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the gamers, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of developing or even outside of open beta in regard to the lifecycle of a game, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep myself holding such things shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
Do not continue down this path. There are many who fear for what they deem as impending doom, they live in a world of uncertainty, this need not be. Release them from this fearful indecision and let their tortured minds rest, leave Chronos and Nia unchanged.
I'm East Coast US myself, but I honestly think that the server times being voted make total sense (for Chronos, haven't looked at others). Do you guys realize how late it is for people in Europe to show up to sieges? It's not healthy in my opinion to force people to stay up late to attend an important game-play mechanic.
The present votes however more or less places it on whether you actually have the free time during that given day and not so much an issue of risking a disruption in your sleeping pattern for the following week -- which makes a lot more sense to me.
Granted it's not great for everyone, I feel it's a lot 'more fair' then the previous conditions. Regardless of your conception of Chronos being a "NA" server, there has always been a large European player base on each of the servers.
Nothing more needs to be said, there are MANY others in a state of crisis due to this impeding change, a change that could cause substantial mental anguish.
Those of you working at NCSoft should take this time to push back from your desks, stand up and pledge aloud the following:
Do not continue down this path. There are many who fear for what they deem as impending doom, they live in a world of uncertainty, this need not be. Release them from this fearful indecision and let their tortured minds rest, leave Chronos and Nia unchanged.
NO, This is a change that's been needed for absolute years. Server times have been hostile towards far too much of the player base for far too long, the times voted for are accessible to both American and European timezone as they should've been years ago.
The masses have voted, it's individuals who are upset.
I know the vast majority of the big clans on Chronos want the new times as they have a mix of both US and Euro players who can now all siege and do oly.
This vote should've been done years ago.
P.S. I've got a SS of server average times taken from Sept-Dec 2010 I took for a thread like this last year. Chronos Peak has always been 7pm GMT to 4am GMT, 2nd siege always -400 to 500 connections compared to first siege (Even with MANY staying dead on battlefield over night).
Current votes are for sieges at 6pm GMT to Midnight GMT, I'd say that fits well with the server times and gives best access to all players.
Don't you find this disturbing? Sounds like you live your life through the game.
Why?
It's common for most of us, would it be jogging every day, waking up 5AM to drive kids to rowing 3 times a week or clubbing at night then go to work.
Some of my Russian/Euro friends who played on Bartz for ages, like NA times, cause that gives them free evenings to do other stuff, and play at night/mornings.
Nothing more needs to be said, there are MANY others in a state of crisis due to this impeding change, a change that could cause substantial mental anguish.
Those of you working at NCSoft should take this time to push back from your desks, stand up and pledge aloud the following:
Do not continue down this path. There are many who fear for what they deem as impending doom, they live in a world of uncertainty, this need not be. Release them from this fearful indecision and let their tortured minds rest, leave Chronos and Nia unchanged.
You licked their boots for years and here is your reward. Ncsoft will always sacrifice their old/paying customers in the pursuit of appeasing a phantom group of potential players and customers as they always have. You know this, you've been here all this time and yet you defended every single horrible mistake they have ever made. Finally, when it effects you directly do you speak out but it is too late. You made your bed, now lie in it.
Remember, server times are a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. Funny how that doesn't seem very fair when it's used against you, eh?
I been playing L2 over 7 years... i am used to the way things are on Chronos.....DO NOT CHANGE THE CASTLE SIEGE TIMES ON THIS SERVER PLZ. As one guy said earlier, my life is built around these current times, i would like to see them stayed the same. Another thing, the entire time i played this game the Erica/Sayha/Chronos server is mainly US based players, now that it has gone to F2P we have alot of Euro players making accts on this server ( and i love some of these Euro Players and have some in clan ) but even tho the population may have been "upped" due to them......i dont think they have the right to decide for the Americans that have played this server for as many years that we have. If they want to Vote on siege time on other server, fine and dandy....Use the "FREE" Server transfer and go over to Naia server where it was designed for Euro players ( siege times and such) and then they can make any suggestions they want to. I do not think it is fair to us long standing ppl on the Chrono server to be forced to change siege times due to Euros jumping on the F2P Bandwagon ( make them adapt not us). This should have never been an issue in the 1st pace if NCSoft would have used their heads at the start of F2P and NOT allowed any new accts to be made on the Chronos server ( knowing there would be ppl coming back now that it went F2P who let accts go cuz the couldnt afford to keep their accts up when it was P2P) CMON NC....use your head this time around....dont let us ppl that have Paid to Play suffer for this, show us ppl the have kept you going for so long some appreciation and leave the Siege Times alone. Nuff said!!!
You, americans so like democracy? so deal with it or ****
voting for change siege time by ppl who mostly play this game is best thing nc ever did since la2 started. BIG THX
Ncsoft will always sacrifice their old/paying customers in the pursuit of appeasing a phantom group of potential players and customers as they always have.
Sorry to point out but there's more long term loyal customers on Chronos that want change than who don't want it. These aren't 'phantom customers' they're loyal players who've been playing a LONG time and have been screwed over for a long time.
North Americans...GET OVER IT with the euros...since its mostly SOUTH AMERICANS who voted for these changes! Try for once to think like you are not the center of the world....FFS.
Its not a euro time. Its a compromise between US and Euro times, so top huge clans with both us and euro players could participate. Best choice for most of us, that is what democracy is.
You licked their boots for years and here is your reward. Ncsoft will always sacrifice their old/paying customers in the pursuit of appeasing a phantom group of potential players and customers as they always have. You know this, you've been here all this time and yet you defended every single horrible mistake they have ever made. Finally, when it effects you directly do you speak out but it is too late. You made your bed, now lie in it.
Remember, server times are a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. Funny how that doesn't seem very fair when it's used against you, eh?
You licked their boots for years and here is your reward. Ncsoft will always sacrifice their old/paying customers in the pursuit of appeasing a phantom group of potential players and customers as they always have. You know this, you've been here all this time and yet you defended every single horrible mistake they have ever made. Finally, when it effects you directly do you speak out but it is too late. You made your bed, now lie in it.
Remember, server times are a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. Funny how that doesn't seem very fair when it's used against you, eh?
To be honest most of my post don't have anything to do with what really matters. I post mostly because I am intrigued by the topic and pick a side that reflects whats best for our community. I apologize, EvaSummer, if you felt that you finally witnessed my soul feeling the pain of change.
Unlike some in this community that would quit playing because of a time change I will keep on enjoying this game until way after all of you have long gone. For those of you (nutlessmonkey) laughing with Eva, you truly haven't a clue what is written before you. Nowhere in my post do I complain for my needs or wants. Reading comprehension is not easy, you may want to take the time to level up that skill. All my comments in this thread simply empathize with those who will suffer substantial mental anguish. Nothing in Eva's quoted statement says that "I" gave one bubble gum chewing minute about the results of this vote.
Remember, the poll is still open. It closes at 7pm PST, which is in about 9 hours from now. At that time we'll collect the data and shortly thereafter make the official announcement of what the new server times will be and when the change will take place. Note that the change will not be immediate.
Remember, the poll is still open. It closes at 7pm PST, which is in about 9 hours from now. At that time we'll collect the data and shortly thereafter make the official announcement of what the new server times will be and when the change will take place. Note that the change will not be immediate.
Does this mean it won't affect this weekend's events on Chronos?
Well so much for my second run in Lineage 2. I wish they had done this before I had spent money on XP runes. No point sticking around since the new EURO times conflict with my schedule and I will probably never be able to attend any weekly events. Let me know when you open a NA timezone server and allow full character+item xfers.
Well so much for my second run in Lineage 2. I wish they had done this before I had spent money on XP runes. No point sticking around since the new EURO times conflict with my schedule and I will probably never be able to attend any weekly events. Let me know when you open a NA timezone server and allow full character+item xfers.
Yup. All servers going Euro time is awesome. Too bad NC doesn't seem to care and hasn't addressed any of the concerns raised about it.
I'm East Coast US myself, but I honestly think that the server times being voted make total sense (for Chronos, haven't looked at others). Do you guys realize how late it is for people in Europe to show up to sieges? It's not healthy in my opinion to force people to stay up late to attend an important game-play mechanic.
Dude, who is holding a gun to their head "forcing" them to stay up? NCSoft, Americans, Satan ?
No one but themselves, if these ppl choose to stay up late and risk their health/job/lives due to a game then it is their own issues and not anyone else.
They chose to play on this time zone for whatever reason, be it because before wasn't a EU zone server, hate innova, wanted to play with American friends, shift work, whatever, it was their choice, but I and a great other ppl didn't choose a server where we would be subject to picking between missing work for a event or missing an event due to work/sleep etc.
No one is forcing me to stay home from work to play a game, so hence I miss out on my entertainment= most likely the end of my game time here on these servers.
Gameguard already has full access to your computer system, you ppl cry about innova robbing your privacy, but this side does the very same thing. You cry that there is no support from innova, how often have I seen you ppl crying over no support found on these servers?
Although you haven't bothered to look at the other servers I have, an it does not look good for me if NC decides to give into the vote count.
Dude, who is holding a gun to their head "forcing" them to stay up? NCSoft, Americans, Satan ?
No one but themselves, if these ppl choose to stay up late and risk their health/job/lives due to a game then it is their own issues and not anyone else.
They chose to play on this time zone for whatever reason, be it because before wasn't a EU zone server, hate innova, wanted to play with American friends, shift work, whatever, it was their choice, but I and a great other ppl didn't choose a server where we would be subject to picking between missing work for a event or missing an event due to work/sleep etc.
No one is forcing me to stay home from work to play a game, so hence I miss out on my entertainment= most likely the end of my game time here on these servers.
Gameguard already has full access to your computer system, you ppl cry about innova robbing your privacy, but this side does the very same thing. You cry that there is no support from innova, how often have I seen you ppl crying over no support found on these servers?
Although you haven't bothered to look at the other servers I have, an it does not look good for me if NC decides to give into the vote count.
I do understand where you come from with your post and I do agree that time zones of established servers shouldn't have been touched. I personaly was playing on Bartz for three years from EU, before moving on to Franz.
Just to look at whats happening from different perspective. I'm not sure if you realize, but there are not that many Americans/Canadians (sorry :D) playing, compare to other countries. I can't comment on other servers, but Bartz wouldnt have been the power server it was without huge amount of non-NA players. I know Kain politics also had huge "foreigner" influence.
With current inflow of new players, I wouldn't be surprised for NCsoft Latin America to emerge, same way when Teon appeared, people saw how big Russian L2 market was.
So I wonder, if NCwest due to "fresh start" (GoD), they just looked at demographics of the servers and come up with this decision or there is more to it.
Sace, when you guys open up server transfers make sure that it's full account transfers and not just a single character. Otherwise I see mass quitting in the near future.
Sace, when you guys open up server transfers make sure that it's full account transfers and not just a single character. Otherwise I see mass quitting in the near future.
I'm gone if it's anything less than free, full account, and all items. How can you trust these people to run the game after they changed something like this 2 months in?