Aden, like many other towns, is basically 24/24 hours like this. I think someone should do something about this! Block chat till level 40+, dunno, but these bots make it unplayable, expecially for those new players who lf kartia 85&stuffs. Not to consider how annoying it is!
Aden, like many other towns, is basically 24/24 hours like this. I think someone should do something about this! Block chat till level 40+, dunno, but these bots make it unplayable, expecially for those new players who lf kartia 85&stuffs. Not to consider how annoying it is!
And you thought you were the first one to make a thread about this? Couldn't you have bothered to use the SEARCH feature and posted there? Thanks for yet another repeated useless thread.
Can GMs do something to ban ppl who spam shout chat "!" in Aden ? it's impossible to read any other messages? it's 3 days now in a row. I understand that GMs may not be working during the weekend but hey, they should.
Those 3-4 robots spoil our game...
Sort this out ... this situation is just taking a piss
Some bot its a very spamming a shout chat. This is very annoying in some cities like Aden. Do not leave important messages or read the other players. Now in Aden is a bot shouting every half second a text of 5 lines and saturates all chat.
K al know the spam problem in aden....its anoing...
now...someone know this someone dont know or dont use....here's the fix...
go aden click the spamer name and to start put /block {spam name}
or simply write /block {spamer name} and wil block he mesaje and shout to get to you :)
i hope wil help some of people:D ...
notice...its many spamer so u wil ned to block all of this ******
And you thought you were the first one to make a thread about this? Couldn't you have bothered to use the SEARCH feature and posted there? Thanks for yet another repeated useless thread.
Heh the funny thing is he wouldn't even need to use the search function considering there was a thread quite similar on the first page...though slightly different in content.
Heh the funny thing is he wouldn't even need to use the search function considering there was a thread quite similar on the first page...though slightly different in content.
I take note of the spammers name, and wheen i log any of my chars, use /block spamername and from this day, i can read the chat, its imposible in the normal way with full time spam
I really cant believe they still failed to add proper filters for chat messages, where each message get analyzed before its processed for certain sub strings in the chat with system that auto chat ban any char that include particular strings of choice SUCH AS: www. ,w w w . , m m o r g etc...
not to mention they haven't added auto chat ban spammers (Server-Side) yet... coz the chat bans players receive are only client side, so if player is using bot he can override the client chat ban by force request chat packet by any bot...
They're advertising websites. Filtering the string mmoaa, as an example, with any variation in capitalization or spaces would cause the spammers a lot more trouble.
u guys QQ about spam , but when NCSoft added /block command in l2 , u prolly were sleeping
whats the name of the spammer? /block "his name"
problem solved, /block after a chronicle blocked everything , party / clan / ally/ trade / normal / shout / hero chats
Ahh, did not know that now the command /block used for everything that's new to me.
Thanks for the simple solution, hopefully soon I can not fill the block list :eek:.
I'll try.
What you can do for now is to put them all in your ignore list, and than if a GM comes online he can clean them out. However they are like cocroaches, they always keep comming in no matter what you do.
It's impossible to use shout or trade chat, be cause of adena spammers. Do something with this.
1 - GM can easy block that adena spammers.
2 - create new chat that will be available only for players with 4th or at least 3rd profession.
3 - 24h chat ban for all that will use those key words
It's impossible to use shout or trade chat, be cause of adena spammers. Do something with this.
1 - GM can easy block that adena spammers.
2 - create new chat that will be available only for players with 4th or at least 3rd profession.
3 - 24h chat ban for all that will use those key words
Yay, yet ANOTHER post about this. Seach next time. :P
Yay, yet ANOTHER post about this. Seach next time. :P
No need for a search.....OP is just exercising his/her rights to use the forums. Maybe throughout all these posts /ideas on how to fight against these spammers , GM's will figure something out. If its that much of an issue for you.....noone made you click on this post and read it.....It CLEARLY says "Adena spammers" did you think it was a trick and going to be a post full of get rich quick tips!?
No need for a search.....OP is just exercising his/her rights to use the forums. Maybe throughout all these posts /ideas on how to fight against these spammers , GM's will figure something out. If its that much of an issue for you.....noone made you click on this post and read it.....It CLEARLY says "Adena spammers" did you think it was a trick and going to be a post full of get rich quick tips!?
There's no need to add more of the same topics. It doesn't make it any MORE noticed or urgent. If you really want to get their attention then send them support tickets all day long about issue.
No need for a search.....OP is just exercising his/her rights to use the forums. Maybe throughout all these posts /ideas on how to fight against these spammers , GM's will figure something out. If its that much of an issue for you.....noone made you click on this post and read it.....It CLEARLY says "Adena spammers" did you think it was a trick and going to be a post full of get rich quick tips!?
It's considered good manners on a forum to add to a discussion that is already taking place rather that create new threads about the same topic. The reason for this is that one thread discussing a topic is far more useful than dozens of threads on the exact same topic with one or two comments in each. Spamming new threads discussing the same topic over and over does no one any good.
1.- It would be nice to restrict players below lvl 40 to use shout and trade channel. Since gear is free from "path to awakening" page and you need to do second class transfer to get a mentor, they have no need to use shout/trade channel. This would help a lot to reduce the numbers of adena sellers that spam in game, becouse you need 4-6 hours to do the second class transfer with a new Char. With the time, if they get banned so many Chars, they will be bored.
2.- Create a new "Bot report button" that can be used in peace zone, specially to report Adena sellers.
Anyway like some guys dont care about the spam in game and act like they dont see it. You can act like you dont see this kind of posts <3
Add this one to the 100 other threads about the same thing because people fail to use the search function. :P
I wish Sace or Juji would combine them all into a single thread, or better yet just delete them.
the only restrictions they need to add is:
* chat ban (serverside) if char surpass 20 shouts/trades in 60 seconds
* filter chat messages for specific key words and auto ban them.
Simply most of the players idiot a bit sorry, that I say this but right.
We have special "trade" chat nobody doesn't use it, if you will use the trade chat for shout and read there you can turn off the "shout" chat there and just can read those messages what the players use to says.
There you won't see any bot spam.
Bots will shout massively until they will have offer to sell their adenas, it is the same in every game and it is just more problematic at the F2P games.
One option would be if the NCsoft would limit the dual box usage to 3 accounts per IP, the reason to 3 accounts is, that while the L2 was P2P you could pay 3 accounts from 1 bank card, so normally 1 player could use 1-3 accounts.
If that would work the bots would be in problem those who farm/xp in group too from 1 person just 3 characters would work so while now enough 1 person who control a whole bot group and guard them, with this step would need 3 protector too. So if the bots can logout too when the GMs are around, won't be able to login thanks for the PIN code.
One option would be if the NCsoft would limit the dual box usage to 3 accounts per IP, the reason to 3 accounts is, that while the L2 was P2P you could pay 3 accounts from 1 bank card, so normally 1 player could use 1-3 accounts.
....
One guy I know used to buy gametime cards for 7 accounts back then and use these 7 accounts to bot....
Had his main account on his credit card.
So it was possible to use more accounts back then....
What I find amusing is that the people posting about adena spammers here is as bas as the adena sellers in the game; both are annoying. :D
"What I find amusing is that the people posting about" complaining of this kind of posts the three are annoying <3 you just can ignore and stop coment the same thing over and over trying to get up your posts count :o
If I talk a vulgar word I see -.- ...
How much hard is the dictionary update to censure "possible" adena spammers?
www. = -.-
w w w = -.-
.com = -.-
. c o m = -.-
w w w = -.-
Another thing, is hard create a button like bot report with name "RMT report", I think this is easy to work, just allow players to send rmt report in every town, if reported toon say "adena" "www" ".com" more than 10 times restricted words in 3 min, block toon chat for 1 hour or more... well the penality is not my decision, is only one idea.
If they can't stop them with the "mighty" Gameguard programm then they have to get a live GM around 24/7 to switch from Server to Server to ban all the shout bots (atleast them...).
hows old, big game dont have 24/7 GMs ??? NCWEST cant modify chat filters at server side etc. so only possible solution is active GMs ... but ... u know:
hows old, big game dont have 24/7 GMs ??? NCWEST cant modify chat filters at server side etc. so only possible solution is active GMs ... but ... u know:
- it is weekend
- it is night at US
...
It's Friday morning, they work Fridays. Nc cut staff and now the employees are overwhelmed,but NC figures the game is 8 years old not a newly launched game that a heavily staffed team is needed.
Oh yay another thread about the same thing that there's 3-4 threads about already! OMG this must mean it's even more valid since YOU decided to make a new thread!
You should be censored for not even spelling the word "Censor" correctly.
I think you should try lurking more and come back when you know how to be useful.
Oh yay another thread about the same thing that there's 3-4 threads about already! OMG this must mean it's even more valid since YOU decided to make a new thread!
You should be censored for not even spelling the word "Censor" correctly.
I think you should try lurking more and come back when you know how to be useful.
Another useless guy that post the same thing like others to get up his post count :3
Another useless guy that post the same thing like others to get up his post count :3
I'm not a guy, I'm a woman. Up my post count? well if that's how you see it maybe you shouldn't post useless topics that already exist. I'm simply explaining why you're being an idiot right now.
I'm not a guy, I'm a woman. Up my post count? well if that's how you see it maybe you shouldn't post useless topics that already exist. I'm simply explaining why you're being an idiot right now.
Then you are being an idiot with me, and you are posting something that other says like Elrohir, Piotress and others that did it before you, then you are doing the same thing as me :D
Then you are being an idiot with me, and you are posting something that other says like Elrohir, Piotress and others that did it before you, then you are doing the same thing as me :D
I hope this thread is moved or locked for uselessness, next time just post in a thread that exists kthx
Sace or Juji, just take 5 minute and go on Naia at Gludio Town. Enjoy what we suffer : 2 full text message per second in the chat window.
Is it our work to report those spammers ? Reporting those people can only be done via the support website, not using the Report button (doesn't work in peace zone) or the petition system. So nobody report them. What are we supposed to do ? Alt - tab each time we see a spammer ?
If I rememeber you told us once Sace to enjoy the game and leave the work to NCSoft. Ok, we leave you your work, but when can it be done ?
So maybe many topics ARE needed after all if only to show the scale of the problem? Or is solving the spammer problem gonna end with merging the spammer problem threads (like that was a real problem in the first place)?
So maybe many topics ARE needed after all if only to show the scale of the problem? Or is solving the spammer problem gonna end with merging the spammer problem threads (like that was a real problem in the first place)?
No I don't think that numerous repeated topics are the answer. They obviously know and perhaps haven't made a formal statement on because they haven't been given one to post or don't have a solution to it other than what players have been doing. I'd gladly be up for allowing a pk of the spammers in town,but that's not even a proper solution either.
They prolly don't have the authority, but they have eyes like us to understand how this problem can be oppressing
I'm sure the forum spam is sufficing enough. They aren't stupid. They manage this forum and have very little control as to what goes on in the game other than what they are told to do. Just because we scream, roll around and throw fits like toddlers doesn't mean you get what you want now.
Sure as hell it won't hurt to show that more and more ppl are fed up with the bs. Unless we worry the forum gonna collapse?
I think showing it maturely in a thread that's already established over spamming the forum is proper forum etiquette and will earn you more respect from the forum warriors.
I'm sure the forum spam is sufficing enough. They aren't stupid. They manage this forum and have very little control as to what goes on in the game other than what they are told to do. Just because we scream, roll around and throw fits like toddlers doesn't mean you get what you want now.
They are also reporting the community reactions, problems and feedback to other people in the team.
Yes they are the go between and I'm fairly certain like I said they get the point. They've merged threads and closed them in order to reduce multiple topics.
Sace or Juji, just take 5 minute and go on Naia at Gludio Town. Enjoy what we suffer : 2 full text message per second in the chat window.
Is it our work to report those spammers ? Reporting those people can only be done via the support website, not using the Report button (doesn't work in peace zone) or the petition system. So nobody report them. What are we supposed to do ? Alt - tab each time we see a spammer ?
If I rememeber you told us once Sace to enjoy the game and leave the work to NCSoft. Ok, we leave you your work, but when can it be done ?
I was wondering when someone old timer would say this...each 0,5seconds the chat keeps changing and flooding, it's just horrible =( i've never seen so much crap in a text chat in my life, i swear.
I don't understand what's the point of flooding the screen this much, this doesn't help business FFS, it just scares people away from game!
I have no idea how a character can bypass the text limit and nto be chat banneed from talking every second the same thing!
Gludio and aden are unbearable. This beloved game turn into 1st rate trash for spammers and cheaters, Good ***ing going, seriously. I can't invite people here cause of this ***ing shame of game.
I am sooo tired of the "deal with it" situation, how about NC deals with the situation instead of the player? Makes more ******* sense, doesnt it?
I bet the half post on this thread are from 1Peri1. I hope someone delete the useless post and leave the post from people who gives ideas to solve this problem.
I bet the half post on this thread are from 1Peri1. I hope someone delete the useless post and leave the post from people who gives ideas to solve this problem.
I bet the half post on this thread are from 1Peri1. I hope someone delete the useless post and leave the post from people who gives ideas to solve this problem.
If I ever see a decent suggestion about something nobody can do anything about I will applaud them. Until then disable the general, shout and trade channels if the spam annoys you that much.
The adena spammers will always find a way around any block, censor or level restriction (like they already did with the level 20 one). Since I have no use for any channel aside from clan, alliance and PM I never see any spam while in game.
After almost 8 years you would think NC would have come up with something.. notice how even after all these years nothing that works has been done.
btw when I created my thread was in game suggestions, then someone combined my thread into someone else and now is in general discussion where everyone can disminish the value of my thread/post/idea. GJ there.
btw when I created my thread was in game suggestions, then someone combined my thread into someone else and now is in general discussion where everyone can disminish the value of my thread/post/idea. GJ there.
That was probably Sace or Juji. They most likely sent you a pm telling you it was combined with like threads. I told you it wouldn't do any more good creating threads. GJ there.
Many threads on this topic have been combined over the past days. Per the forum rules there should not be multiple threads about the same topic, as it creates confusing cross discussion, and it is difficult to get the big picture of a topic when it is scattered.
Threads are removed from the Game Suggestions forum because that section is meant for game development ideas in general, and not territory-specific problems that are handled by our respective GM teams. It effectively goes with out saying that players suggest this issue be taken care of; suggestion threads are not necessary and will not improve the situation.
Regarding the matter at hand, we are aware of the increase in spam lately. Spam is actually a problem in every MMO all the time, but it is sometimes more pronounced in some games or times than others-- and currently Lineage II is seeing dark times on this note. That said, we have been dealing with this general issue for years, so rest assured we've already considered and tried word censoring, blocking, IP flagging, and various other ideas to count the problem. As some players have already mentioned, it is true that spammers pop back up quickly for many reasons. This is another reason suggestion threads are not constructive, and are thus closed or merged into discussion threads. In addition, detailed discussion of what works or doesn't work should remain confidential lest it spread abuse further.
Now, despite the grim truth said so far, don't despair. We do clean out the spammers when possible, but we are also researching other methods to mitigate the severity of this issue, and we hope to show progress in the future. Veteran players can recall times in the past when we've gotten the spam issue back under control, and this is our goal once again. In the meantime, I'm afraid we can only suggest clearing and refilling block lists in-game, avoiding chat channels you don't need, and generally ignoring it.
Sace, i can say that i cannot even /block these users. I dunno if you are aware but the text speed spam is so big you cannot even see the nick of the character spamming it coz it keeps scrolling up way too fast.
Currently i use the party/clan chat (i have no shouts enabled on it since i play) and it's a pain in the ***...
I have seen where people state they cannot see who is spamming because the spam is being spammed too fast.
HOW TO BLOCK SPAM 101
First Step:
Go to the town with the spam and let them spam for a minute.
Go to the bottom left corner in your chat box and look for the 3rd icon from the bottom labeled "chat options" (it looks like a hammer)
Click that box and another screen appears, uncheck the shout box.
Then click OK.
Now the spam has stopped (all shout has stopped).
Next Step:
Scroll up and find the spam and see who spammed it.
Click on the name of the spammer.
In you text line this will apper "spammer like you are going to PM them.
Click in your text box and delete the "
Then type /block - it should look like this /block spammer
Then press the ENTER key. Tada you've just blocked your first spammer!
Show them no mercy!!! Find the next spammer and shove the /block up their *** (without lube ofcourse)
When you have finished you will need to click on the hammer icon and recheck shout and enjoy the town without spam.
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You can only /block 128 names. When you have reached the end of the block list this is what you must do.
Type /friendlist
A box will appear. Click on the BLOCK tab.
Select a name and click the " - " button (delete, located on this tab on the right upper side)
Another box will appear stating that the name will be removed from your block list.
Click OK
Do that again and again and again until you have cleared it out so you can add the new spammers.
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You're thanks are appreciated but what I really need is another glass of wine, so I'ma click the Submit New Thread button below this post and have another glass ;)
Sace, i can say that i cannot even /block these users. I dunno if you are aware but the text speed spam is so big you cannot even see the nick of the character spamming it coz it keeps scrolling up way too fast.
Currently i use the party/clan chat (i have no shouts enabled on it since i play) and it's a pain in the ***...
You're thanks are appreciated but what I really need is another glass of wine, so I'ma click the Submit New Thread button below this post and have another glass ;)
Why would I thank you for something that's common knowledge already? I think you've had too much wine already and are not thinking clearly.
Like anyone with common sense can't figure out that method, been doing that for weeks now
For some people I understand English isn't their native language and for others 70 is too much for them to score an IQ test. But with you I'm guessing you're just trying to flame for flame sake but you are weak on the flame sauce. If you had actually read before you posted then you would have read on the linked page (which you have also posted on) that people have in fact had trouble locating the name for which to /block.
As obi wan kenobi would say about your flame, "the force is weak within this one" :eek: seriously :confused: that's all ju joit!
Why would I thank you for something that's common knowledge already? I think you've had too much wine already and are not thinking clearly.
I know the post was cheesy, but it goes with the wine
Like anyone with common sense can't figure out that method, been doing that for weeks now
Yeah, or a better option, like I do, I just go buy a cup of not give a sh**.
For some people I understand English isn't their native language and for others 70 is too much for them to score an IQ test. But with you I'm guessing you're just trying to flame for flame sake but you are weak on the flame sauce. If you had actually read before you posted then you would have read on the linked page (which you have also posted on) that people have in fact had trouble locating the name for which to /block.
As obi wan kenobi would say about your flame, "the force is weak within this one" :eek: seriously :confused: that's all ju joit!
I know the post was cheesy, but it goes with the wine
Flame you? Not hardly,but you sure seemed to be. insulting someone's level of intelligence because they pointed out the fact you were stating the obvious is flaming. Seeing that's your only defense I'd say you might want to take a hard look at yourself.
There is nothing wrong with this post. If the OP stated the obvious for all you cry babies that hold onto every opportunity to flame, troll and I can tell because I notice exact same names in every thread, there is other people who don't know how to block someone efficiently.
I really don't understand why some people have to even reply in a negative way, since they are contributing nothing to the idea;
Like anyone with common sense can't figure out that method
by 1Peri1
Noone really stated the opposite but what is your point on this matter ?
Why would I thank you for something that's common knowledge already? I think you've had too much wine already and are not thinking clearly.
by Piotress
Noone really asked you personally for your special thanks and appreciation. But I guess you needed the attention.
There is nothing wrong with this post. If the OP stated the obvious for all you cry babies that hold onto every opportunity to flame, troll and I can tell because I notice exact same names in every thread, there is other people who don't know how to block someone efficiently.
I really don't understand why some people have to even reply in a negative way, since they are contributing nothing to the idea;
Noone really stated the opposite but what is your point on this matter ?
Noone really asked you personally for your special thanks and appreciation. But I guess you needed the attention.
And nobody really asked you to pop on in and flame people who disagree either. Good job for being a useless contribution to this topic for your attention needs as well.
And nobody really asked you to pop on in and flame people who disagree either. Good job for being a useless contribution to this topic for your attention needs as well.
Not really, unlike you, I stated that the thread is useful to people who may not know how to efficiently block adena spammers or anyone else who likes to flame and troll, you're a living and breathing example of it.
My contribution was to discourage people like you, who show nothing but negativity with their replies and encourage others to make contribution like the OP.
You just proved it one more time by returning here and flaming again without any real contribution. Enjoy.
Not really, unlike you, I stated that the thread is useful to people who may not know how to efficiently block adena spammers or anyone else who likes to flame and troll, you're a living and breathing example of it.
My contribution was to discourage people like you, who show nothing but negativity with their replies and encourage others to make contribution like the OP.
You just proved it one more time by returning here and flaming again without any real contribution. Enjoy.
You know why people are flaming this thread? Because it's been discussed before. Yes keep on flaming people who disagree. Your post didn't discourage anything, more like encourage. Nice try.
You know why people are flaming this thread? Because it's been discussed before. Yes keep on flaming people who disagree. Your post didn't discourage anything, more like encourage. Nice try.
By people you mean yourself, right?
Even if it has been discussed before, the fact is still there that the adena spammers are getting worse day by day.
If you have something useful to say, say it. Otherwise zip.
Flame you? Not hardly,but you sure seemed to be. insulting someone's level of intelligence because they pointed out the fact you were stating the obvious is flaming. Seeing that's your only defense I'd say you might want to take a hard look at yourself.
Insulting your level of intelligence? I did no such thing . . . I merely stated stated instead of you not having English as your first language and instead of you not having an IQ below 70; that you must been trying to flame and to not have clearly read the other thread that I have linked in my opening sentence where other players had posted stating that they could not recognize the name of the spammer because of the speed that the spam was posted.
Insult your intelligence, I did not. You are the only one that stated you were not making a flame . . . :eek:
You know why people are flaming this thread? Because it's been discussed before. Yes keep on flaming people who disagree. Your post didn't discourage anything, more like encourage. Nice try.
ahhh I see, you thought this was a discussion thread, it is a How To thread.
Love how low post count ppl always think ppl with more posts than them just spam.
And before you attack me for my post count, go check the statistics, its like 5 posts a day.
Should i disregard all your statements based on the fact that you have only 9 posts and started playing 2 months ago? How much could you possibly know about a game you just started playing?
you know that you can play the game and dont have a forum acccount right?
Well, im speaking about she's making the same post, trying to flame in the other and flame here. Anyother reason? maybe troll? or no life? i think want to increase post count is a better no insulting reason :)
Speaking about useless post, all do that, like the ppl that go to an adena spam thread and the first one say "another adena post bla bla" and others 8 ppl come to say the same thing :3
you know that you can play the game and dont have a forum acccount right?
Well, im speaking about she's making the same post, trying to flame in the other and flame here. Anyother reason? maybe troll? or no life? i think want to increase post count is a better no insulting reason :)
Speaking about useless post, all do that, like the ppl that go to an adena spam thread and the first one say "another adena post bla bla" and others 8 ppl come to say the same thing :3
Cool no?
Honestly I wish there wasn't a post count at all. It's not hard to tell who's been here longer and who is new. When all else fails flame their post counts right? Yeah bravo on that defense. And no I don't "hope" to mod this forum...ever. I mod at one forum and for the love of all that's holy that's enough to deal with.
Eight people all saying the same thing? Well you'd think that some of the new people would get the idea. STOP MAKING THE SAME THREADS ABOUT THE SAME THING! We have a bot thread and it serves the same purpose for adena spam bots. Who's the attention hound here again? That's right the noobs.
ETA: I counted SIX threads about adena spammers that the mods haven't merged yet. Pick one of those to rant in and post "how to" manuals.
Many threads on this topic have been combined over the past days. Per the forum rules there should not be multiple threads about the same topic, as it creates confusing cross discussion, and it is difficult to get the big picture of a topic when it is scattered.
Threads are removed from the Game Suggestions forum because that section is meant for game development ideas in general, and not territory-specific problems that are handled by our respective GM teams. It effectively goes with out saying that players suggest this issue be taken care of; suggestion threads are not necessary and will not improve the situation.
Regarding the matter at hand, we are aware of the increase in spam lately. Spam is actually a problem in every MMO all the time, but it is sometimes more pronounced in some games or times than others-- and currently Lineage II is seeing dark times on this note. That said, we have been dealing with this general issue for years, so rest assured we've already considered and tried word censoring, blocking, IP flagging, and various other ideas to count the problem. As some players have already mentioned, it is true that spammers pop back up quickly for many reasons. This is another reason suggestion threads are not constructive, and are thus closed or merged into discussion threads. In addition, detailed discussion of what works or doesn't work should remain confidential lest it spread abuse further.
Now, despite the grim truth said so far, don't despair. We do clean out the spammers when possible, but we are also researching other methods to mitigate the severity of this issue, and we hope to show progress in the future. Veteran players can recall times in the past when we've gotten the spam issue back under control, and this is our goal once again. In the meantime, I'm afraid we can only suggest clearing and refilling block lists in-game, avoiding chat channels you don't need, and generally ignoring it.
you mean when you reduced the amount of servers to 2? nc soft did nothing, there were just not enough ppl who bought adena to bother with spam and waste 15 bucks.
anyway, has any other f2p game found a solution for this?
Regarding the matter at hand, we are aware of the increase in spam lately. Spam is actually a problem in every MMO all the time, but it is sometimes more pronounced in some games or times than others-- and currently Lineage II is seeing dark times on this note. That said, we have been dealing with this general issue for years, so rest assured we've already considered and tried word censoring, blocking, IP flagging, and various other ideas to count the problem. As some players have already mentioned, it is true that spammers pop back up quickly for many reasons. This is another reason suggestion threads are not constructive, and are thus closed or merged into discussion threads. In addition, detailed discussion of what works or doesn't work should remain confidential lest it spread abuse further.
Now, despite the grim truth said so far, don't despair. We do clean out the spammers when possible, but we are also researching other methods to mitigate the severity of this issue, and we hope to show progress in the future. Veteran players can recall times in the past when we've gotten the spam issue back under control, and this is our goal once again. In the meantime, I'm afraid we can only suggest clearing and refilling block lists in-game, avoiding chat channels you don't need, and generally ignoring it.
I have been in many MMO's Lineage is by far 100 times worse for spammers than any other game out there. There are 2 things I would like to suggest being done about this.
1. My block list, 128 people. why 128? make it unlimited, why not, if I want to block the entire server that should be my choice, why should I be limited to blocking 128 spammer, QQer, crybabies, whiners, wieners, ect.
2. The IP flagging/banning is a step in the right direction, however I don't think it is enough, attack them at the heart. Hardware ban the ********. Ask anyone who has ever played on a private server that doesn't allow botters and they tried and got hardware banned, its not the easiest thing to get around, and hey lets face it, these farmers/spammer more than likely aren't rocket scientist when it comes to computers. Hardware banning isn't an easy thing to get around.
And just so you know its not just white and trade chat anymore either, im starting to get PM's from them. Instant I port out of Kartia, PM. Instant I port from one town to another, PM. Seriously I understand that you guys are translating patches and have other projects on your plate but when you have 6 pages of complaints on the same issue, something is not right.
any solution/plan for this player that spam chat with sellerr adena??
is impossible saw chat...
i'm with my block list fulll already max 128 player...and everyday 1 char is created for this =\
1. My block list, 128 people. why 128? make it unlimited, why not, if I want to block the entire server that should be my choice, why should I be limited to blocking 128 spammer, QQer, crybabies, whiners, wieners, ect.
any solution/plan for this player that spam chat with sellerr adena??
is impossible saw chat...
i'm with my block list fulll already max 128 player...and everyday 1 char is created for this =\
I think you know there are other threads for this seeing you commented in one. There's probably at least six of them.
Even when people post in the stickied threads instead of making new own threads you cannot leave them alone. Like just some minutes ago when you felt the need to tell the rest of the forum that you "stopped reading my post" in the dedicated bot thread after the first line. And here you go accusing other people of "lack of useful contribution". You may want to wonder sometime why so many people argue with you. It might not always be their fault.
Even when people post in the stickied threads instead of making new own threads you cannot leave them alone. Like just some minutes ago when you felt the need to tell the rest of the forum that you "stopped reading my post" in the dedicated bot thread after the first line. And here you go accusing other people of "lack of useful contribution". You may want to wonder sometime why so many people argue with you. It might not always be their fault.
If people want to argue they will find a way. I am not bothered by it obviously and I obviously do not care what you like or don't like. You posted and if you didn't want me or anyone else to comment then don't post then. You know the issue has been beaten like a dead horse, the six plus topics should be a hint. Sace made a statement, they KNOW about the problem. Unless you plan to call NC Korea you'll have to deal with it.
Even when people post in the stickied threads instead of making new own threads you cannot leave them alone. Like just some minutes ago when you felt the need to tell the rest of the forum that you "stopped reading my post" in the dedicated bot thread after the first line. And here you go accusing other people of "lack of useful contribution". You may want to wonder sometime why so many people argue with you. It might not always be their fault.
It's flame my friend, from a person mod wanna be.
it's like "rawr, im rude and i will post bad things and make him feel bad" lol
Peri, if you get mad because new ppl posting things about an old topic, there is mods than can delete, or combine threads. I know that you will not stop saying the same thing over and over, and try to flame other ppl threads or post like this one, but take it in mind dont be bitter or you will have wrinkles in all your face :P
And sorry to "Not Rite" for say things that dont have relations with his post >.<
So thk "Not Rite" your post is good for new ppl (Y)
If people want to argue they will find a way. I am not bothered by it obviously and I obviously do not care what you like or don't like. You posted and if you didn't want me or anyone else to comment then don't post then. You know the issue has been beaten like a dead horse, the six plus topics should be a hint. Sace made a statement, they KNOW about the problem. Unless you plan to call NC Korea you'll have to deal with it.
You are annoying people with useless comments like "did not read", "stop posting", "deal with it", "nothing is gonna change" and so on, while at the same time telling them their own posts are redundant. There is a difference between "not wanting comments" and "not wanting absolutely useless comments like yours". You obviously feel as if every topic only needs a single post from a single person, and once that happened, noone should make another post about that topic again. "Bots in the game? Hey, someone already complained about that in the year 2004, there is no need to post about it again". This is not how forums work and you know it.
You are annoying people with useless comments like "did not read", "stop posting", "deal with it", "nothing is gonna change" and so on, while at the same time telling them their own posts are redundant. There is a difference between "not wanting comments" and "not wanting absolutely useless comments like yours". You obviously feel as if every topic only needs a single post from a single person, and once that happened, noone should make another post about that topic again. "Bots in the game? Hey, someone already complained about that in the year 2004, there is no need to post about it again". This is not how forums work and you know it.
If you don't like what I say then don't respond to it. You chose to read and reply. I will not censor myself because you're being ignorant. Now I'm done with explaining myself to you for the millionth time. I have food to prep for a funeral tomorrow..have a good evening.
If I may, I would just like to add that I respect what Sace said about not multiplying threads, I get that it may not look very decorative on the forum, but I believe it begins to become a little ridiculous that ppl creating threads about bots get more hate than bots themselves.
I think we all can agree that the 'problem' of 'useless' posts will end when the spammer problem is, not solved maybe, but under control in any respectable way.
And from the admins/mods/gm's point of view I think it should be a vital message that a lot of people created accounts and posted for the very first time in this forum just to start a spammer thread and state that this is a very serious problem.
Even when people post in the stickied threads instead of making new own threads you cannot leave them alone. Like just some minutes ago when you felt the need to tell the rest of the forum that you "stopped reading my post" in the dedicated bot thread after the first line. And here you go accusing other people of "lack of useful contribution". You may want to wonder sometime why so many people argue with you. It might not always be their fault.
They have to get their post counts up somehow. Posting reasonably doesn't do it.
You are annoying people with useless comments like "did not read", "stop posting", "deal with it", "nothing is gonna change" and so on, while at the same time telling them their own posts are redundant. There is a difference between "not wanting comments" and "not wanting absolutely useless comments like yours". You obviously feel as if every topic only needs a single post from a single person, and once that happened, noone should make another post about that topic again. "Bots in the game? Hey, someone already complained about that in the year 2004, there is no need to post about it again". This is not how forums work and you know it.
I've been here reading for a long time, im not a big poster, but seeing all of this adena spam threads just beats my patience
For some reason, i wonder how come so many people just don't get it yet... Just remove shout from your chats, ALL of them. And change shout tab to hero voice (and enjoy drama-popcorn time!) or anything else and byebye adena spam. Same goes with trade. Nobody uses these chats anymore, except spambots.
No need to block one after another, no need to empty and fill again your block list, no 128 limitation. I know chat box options are not completely user friendly at first but c'mon, no need to be NASA engineer to click on that freaking hammer look-alike icon.
Or maybe someone should make youtube tutorial for the mentally impaired ?
I do not know, she did not say it was too long. She merely stated to have stopped reading after my initial sentence, in which I asked elrohir to please imagine the situation I presented in my post.
When I read my own post at a (for me) normal speed, I need 80 seconds for it. It is also broken up into several paragraphs and in my opinion not hard to read. If that exceeds her attention span, she would still have the option of just skipping it without having to announce to everyone else that she did so as a pointless reply.
Maybe someone left the spam machine opened and hasnt check computers since days?
Or the people who spam adenaseller sites nowdays arent trying to find customers,they 'r trying either make all people quit ncwest servers or make players demand from ncwest to erase the adenasellers from the face of l2!
No human being who makes a living from a job can be SO ******ed to ''advertise'' his shop by turning his customers lifes near his shop a hell.Everyone simply would run away.
Was I the only one who read the OP in a highly sarcastic tone? o.o
highly sarcastic?? seriously?? uuummm yes part of my first post is highly sarcastic but not intended towards the people that could find the information useful rather my sarcasm is directed towards the people on these forums that will turn a post (any post) into a flame war.
There seems to be very few post (recently?) that are not flamed or spammed by the same people with remarks that are not directed in a helpful or constructive manor. If the mods on the forums were to try to curtail the inflammatory post they would need to clone (like in C2 & C3) themselves and be watchful 24/7, imo at times there would need to be 2 or 3 cloned mods on at the same time to read all of the crap that flows from ppls fingertips (including mine).
Yes Tiferet1, part of my opening post was highly sarcastic as at first I had directed the ******s and spammer to the other thread but then with my 7 years of Lineage 2 Official Server experience on these boards I knew it wouldn't happen so I edited it and said flame on, since it is what occurs on these forums. Ppl still go into the new bot thread and flame people for going to the correct thread to complain about bots because of their comments . . .
I believe that some people will find the first post helpful, the rest of the post are basically needed to continue to bump this thread and keep it on the first page until the time it's no longer helpful.
all of this to say
/bump (and to poke some ppl with a stick and wait for them to poke me back - lube please)
:p
I do not know, she did not say it was too long. She merely stated to have stopped reading after my initial sentence, in which I asked elrohir to please imagine the situation I presented in my post.
When I read my own post at a (for me) normal speed, I need 80 seconds for it. It is also broken up into several paragraphs and in my opinion not hard to read. If that exceeds her attention span, she would still have the option of just skipping it without having to announce to everyone else that she did so as a pointless reply.
hmmmm, I've heard of some person stating they stopped reading after the initial sentence but then they spoke in length about what they did not read and why they did not read it - hmmm did they really know what they were talking about? I mean they state they did not ready it . . . but they commented on what they did not read . . . seems to be that person doesn't know what they are talking about. maybe not someone to take seriously?
If you don't like what I say then don't respond to it. You chose to read and reply. I will not censor myself because you're being ignorant. Now I'm done with explaining myself to you for the millionth time. I have food to prep for a funeral tomorrow..have a good evening.
Actually the only ignorant person here has been you.
Read your first reply to the thread and then come back here tell us how you feel about yourself.
We don't need to know about your personal life, this thread is not about you, but you may find what you're looking for here;
Maybe someone left the spam machine opened and hasnt check computers since days?
Or the people who spam adenaseller sites nowdays arent trying to find customers,they 'r trying either make all people quit ncwest servers or make players demand from ncwest to erase the adenasellers from the face of l2!
No human being who makes a living from a job can be SO ******ed to ''advertise'' his shop by turning his customers lifes near his shop a hell.Everyone simply would run away.
That's what i was saying, they're not advertising the sites anymore, it looks more like they're angry now!
I feel the same as I did before about it. Even when I quit responding all of you whiners still insist upon arguing with everyone else when what you wanted to do was "Add useful posts about adena spammers" I've yet to see anything of the sort in the last few comments after my last post. You're basically flaming yourself now.
Haha it would be nice to think that they are getting desperate because that would mean that not as many people are buying from them but it is doubtful :( Though maybe they are loosing money because people are leaving the game.
They have to know they've made it impossible for us to even read anything they are saying. Common sense **should** tell them we are going to close the shout part of our chat boxes since shout chat is useless now thanks to them, yet they continue....
With daily quests and decent full drops in raids like fortuna and istina even casual players can quickly make money. Going 0 to 86 new players don't have to buy gear, so aside from some s & r grade shots, they can play pretty much free till 90+ unless they really want twilight and apoc stuff. Once 90+ just from doing fortuna, istina, spez, and daily quests generally at some point each person will get lucky and get some drops from those raids. Sell those + daily money quests and you'll be making a few mil (or more most likely) every week. Plus, I think if a player really wants to use real life money for game they would rather now spend it on NC items in store for vitality. Add that with the fact we are losing people from game, I imagine the demand is very low. They probably are getting desperate and good riddance.
Unfortunately now everytime the person I blocked posts something, it shows as "This message is hidden because ****** is on your ignore list. ", which also is a little irritating.
but you have to enter the name manually or just cut and paste? i thought it would be simple as right click on their name or something of that nature. but anyhow, you've saved me a ton of problems associated with this issue. hence i have been unable to post for many years. now i can freely voice my opinions.
Interesting post with indeed some good ideas for whoever did not use that method already: gave me some extra idea to improve the speed at which I block the spammers so thanks for that :)
Always the usual suspects to tell you they knew already and bla-bla-bla but ignore those: if your method help a few people, then it is good.
Also want to say that I agree with Likh in that most on forums chase and complain about spam and bot threads more than about spam and bots which is ridiculous.
Also, concerning Sace comment of not multiplying threads: I do not agree fully: multi-threads is the only way for big problems to be noticed; asking players to post again in a sticky is like saying: "Post away, its stickied anyway, we don't really care..."
Last comment on forums moderating, I do not think they need extra hands to moderate forums: I check forums about twice a week and it takes me around 1 h to read most new posts made in 3 days... Not very busy forums compared to other MMO.
1.- on all shouts/trade/all, ... take the text string and remove spaces. Ex "Hey im an idiot from w w w. my d i c k is small.c o m" --> "Heyimanidiotfromwww.mydickissmall.com"
2.- find if there is the name of any of the 3 or 4 webs what sells adena. Ex find mydickissmall --> "Heyimnidiotfromwww.mydickissmall.com"
3.- dont send that shout/trade/pm and do a 30mins chatban and warn the guy with "You have been chat banned for 30 mins cause using a spam web string"
Spam fixed.. and no problem if someone not related to the spamers say something like "im tired of those guys shouthing mydickissmall.com".. he wont be banned, just chatbanned.
If they can't stop them with the "mighty" Gameguard programm then they have to get a live GM around 24/7 to switch from Server to Server to ban all the shout bots (atleast them...).
Actually gold spammers seems to be like dailies: they reset at 18.30 :D
Yesterday afternoon Aden was spam free for me from the ban I did early morning, end of evening spam again.
So not 24/7 but few times a day would already be a start.
They have to know they've made it impossible for us to even read anything they are saying. Common sense **should** tell them we are going to close the shout part of our chat boxes since shout chat is useless now thanks to them, yet they continue....
With daily quests and decent full drops in raids like fortuna and istina even casual players can quickly make money. Going 0 to 86 new players don't have to buy gear, so aside from some s & r grade shots, they can play pretty much free till 90+ unless they really want twilight and apoc stuff. Once 90+ just from doing fortuna, istina, spez, and daily quests generally at some point each person will get lucky and get some drops from those raids. Sell those + daily money quests and you'll be making a few mil (or more most likely) every week. Plus, I think if a player really wants to use real life money for game they would rather now spend it on NC items in store for vitality. Add that with the fact we are losing people from game, I imagine the demand is very low. They probably are getting desperate and good riddance.
Desperate, angry and maybe clever: they could be or must be watching forums, following-up shared advices between players and finding new work-around: they know we block "shout": now they whisper upon landing in towns.... Nasty buggers.
Desperate, angry and maybe clever: they could be or must be watching forums, following-up shared advices between players and finding new work-around: they know we block "shout": now they whisper upon landing in towns.... Nasty buggers.
ofc they know we block them, lineage 2 gives a message if someone block you. No need to read forum.
Also they ll see who block them and they can add him to the PM list as an active player.
People say they are no computer experts. Yet they break the server down like it is their server. Automatic PM upon port, breaking chat ban, instant messages without being on your friend list, in-game mail with a timeout of -9999 (so always remaining) and now this.
Don't you see? Spamming like this is not to make you read all, it is designed such that the box above their head remains and you ll see it even if you switch off shout. Another of their designs was using it to flash like a neon sign. They are laughing at NC and saying you think u can beat us? Take this.
Finally, Sace before the server was paid and controlling spam was a lot easier because they have to pay for each account and loose money for each spam bot. Now they just bot train them. I see the daily trains everytime I do a CRP char. They are going fully automated. How often do you guys check these routes? 1 time a month? And how often you login to the server? I never see any gm listed.
And how often you login to the server? I never see any gm listed.
Aye, especially since a GM loging in game 1h maybe 3 times a day could make a big difference.
There seem to be always 3 or 4 spammer maximum per town.
GM must have free teleports? :)
Log on 1 server, first town, mute the 3-4 spammers, port next town and next 6-7 towns x 3 spammers muted. = 10 Minutes.
Change server, rinse and repeat... 1 hour done.
Would they do 1h round beginning of the day, 1 hour round before going back home and servers would be much quieter :o
Obviously this is not final answer, Sace mentioned their were looking for a solution... Ok but any temporary fix before that long awaited solution is found, would really be a way to show legit players that NCS is doing something...
insulting someone's level of intelligence because they pointed out the fact you were stating the obvious is flaming
stating the obvious is only obvious when the person actually knows how to do something.
Even now i see people in white chat (amongst the spam) asking how to whisper someone.
Should I say "well, it's obvious" or just ignore them?
No, I offer them help and tell them to try whispering (PMing - to state the obvious for you) me to test it.
I agree with Likh and Arvern. More new threads are needed to show NCsoft that players are not happy.
There are so many problems with this game that people have to put up with.
Everyday we play with the hope that soon those problems will get fixed or at least toned down.
Some people in these forums have been hoping for years and yet the problems are still there. They still carry on playing and hoping!
Maybe it's the fact that they feel betrayed by NCsoft for waiting so many years and got nothing, that might have made them the "people who always post negative stuff".
I wish I could stop playing this game but, this is the best MMORPG out there and it's a shame because it could be so much better.
Aw well!!! There is nothing we can do about it other than hope, I suppose! :)
/target
look at chat
ram down 3 leters again
/block
now thats faster then turnin on/off chat to see whos spammin lol but w/e im not even lookin at shout chat anymore not even worth spending time on it :D
Personally, I think they should just host ban all the Chinese and Korean farmers and press on. Yeah, it would cause a problem with pretty much anyone from China and Korea getting onto Chronos, but there are other servers they can go to, they just gotta get the hell off of Chronos. I was away from game for like 4 months and when I logged in yesterday I was smashed with a barrage of jibberish farmer chatter in shout. I dont like disabling my shout chat because I actually use it, but then again, its easy for me to see who the spammers are and block them.
One thing is for sure, the adena spam has gotten WAY out of control compared to what it used to be in the past. I dont know what's changed from then til now that allows them to blow up the chat that frequently... but something needs to be either reverted, or implemented.
As someone else said earlier, coming up with ideas to prevent it is one thing, but whether or not it; 1) will work effectively, 2)is able to be implemented and 3)is something that can be done without undoing or disturbing other operations of the game... is another story. Its easy for people that have no idea what it takes to make these things happen to just make blind demands. But keep in mind people, the ones you're whining and crying to, arent the ones that have to develope the code, or the processes to make it happen. Just shut up and give them time to work out a solution.
no just by replying with useless text, like like a forum troll OMG
Congratulations on your first post. Too bad it couldn't have been something intelligent, or at least humorous.
Guys...... nick of spamer can be changed.....url of website can be modified with special symbols..... so make a filter is relative problem. One solution is.......everybody who write to shout or trade channel with interval 2sec or less (interval could be changed randomly ) will have chatban for XY hours/minutes. Filter must be based on behavior, not on specific nick or text.
Guys...... nick of spamer can be changed.....url of website can be modified with special symbols..... so make a filter is relative problem. One solution is.......everybody who write to shout or trade channel with interval 2sec or less (interval could be changed randomly ) will have chatban for XY hours/minutes. Filter must be based on behavior, not on specific nick or text.
Guys...... nick of spamer can be changed.....url of website can be modified with special symbols..... so make a filter is relative problem. One solution is.......everybody who write to shout or trade channel with interval 2sec or less (interval could be changed randomly ) will have chatban for XY hours/minutes. Filter must be based on behavior, not on specific nick or text.
The official client is only capable of messages of a particular length. This length is much shorter than the spam texts. It seems to me that it would be child's play to determine who is spamming with 3rd party software. But then, I'm a simple man.
You cannot fight the adena spammers in game, but you can fight them out of game using your cmd prompt and a little thing called ping.
For example, are the lolga.com spam bots bugging you? Just ping the site from as many computers as you can until it crashes.
Open your cmd prompt and type "ping 204.188.229.162 -l -t65000 -n 10000" and get your whole clan to do the same. Take the website down and there's no reason for them to shout to sell their gold any more.
Actually, don't do that. It's probably not legal.
You are correct. The company can have your IP traced and can file a denial of service attack against you.
Hell, they are spamming so fast in Aden this evening on Naia It's kinda impossible to click on their name to block them. I guess it's done on purpose.
They also started to pm people again, oppressing ><
eh I have no use for shout anyhow I just ignore it. The private messages or in-game mail spams are ridiculous and that I find mildly invading. Doing what I can to filter this crap,but I can't disable private messages I get random friends the will pm me once in awhile.
I am first time on the official server and so disappointed.
You'll be disappointed many more times. Some of us just ignore it and work around it and keep playing, some quit and some play but complain on the forums. So that's what it is in a nutshell.
First spaming in chat
Second mail spam
third spaming in whisper :D lol
new 1 spaming in 1:1 message
wondering how he can do that? if i wasnt invite it to friend list lol, probable hacking, the last 2 week i see a really bad spam comercial in each town, after ban other bot take place in 2 min later :(
they are completly annoying.......
the gm must do something about this action, soon half of the player will leave, or more, its really annoying, i don't get it why not ban word like mmoty.com or lolga.com etc, all online game do that, they ban it in chat.
First spaming in chat
Second mail spam
third spaming in whisper :D lol
new 1 spaming in 1:1 message
wondering how he can do that? if i wasnt invite it to friend list lol, probable hacking, the last 2 week i see a really bad spam comercial in each town, after ban other bot take place in 2 min later :(
Search before making new threads.
1 reson they lowered adena reward at 1-40 quests ...
so adena sellers haved to move to higer locations --> they need more time for make adena --> they want to sell it faster --> adena spam
eh, then go search job, and don't risk live for jail.
they will go jail soon or later
What I want to know is not only how they can use the blinking friend message thing without being on friendlist, but how are they sending both mails and pm's with the russian alphabet (cyrillic?).
What I want to know is not only how they can use the blinking friend message thing without being on friendlist, but how are they sending both mails and pm's with the russian alphabet (cyrillic?).
probable hacking the client
Or how are they not getting chat banned. Yesterday the bot was screaming so loud in all colors of chat that I couldn't actually see my chat window, I could just see it changing colors. NC really needs to do something. Also anyone who buys from these annoying $%$&$ needs to get their head examined. If your going to buy adena at least don't buy it from annoying idiots.
Or if NC won't do anything to fix the problem, maybe they should give up and just sell adena in the NC Store, to take the product away from the bot sellers. It's not like the game store isn't heading in that direction anyways.
Or how are they not getting chat banned. Yesterday the bot was screaming so loud in all colors of chat that I couldn't actually see my chat window, I could just see it changing colors. NC really needs to do something. Also anyone who buys from these annoying $%$&$ needs to get their head examined. If your going to buy adena at least don't buy it from annoying idiots.
Or if NC won't do anything to fix the problem, maybe they should give up and just sell adena in the NC Store, to take the product away from the bot sellers. It's not like the game store isn't heading in that direction anyways.
i dont think ncsoft will sell adena, but why not sell bound armor and weap items? most of cheater want to buy armor for adena or boss jewels, so why not add armor sets and rb jewel with limited action like cant trade or exnchange it? will be every1 pay it for sure :D
nvm, since they learned the lesson already: they have a hord of phantom summoners doing the dailies quests from 60-80 lvls. #sad
regarding chat annoyance, well, I'm with 126/128 blocks in my blacklist, then, what will be? a further increase in slots?
I can see it now...
"Coming soon to the NCStore... Increase your block list for only 1,200 NCCoins"
LOOOL sorry - i just laughed out loud here when I thought about that - and it's really late here - simple things amuse me sometimes.
seriously though, you can clear your blocklist as all the ones previously have gone so you need to make space for the new ones - I just wish there was a "clear ALL" button
I see them in MoS and I dunno what kind of profits they get there,but I did it and I didn't see how the adena drops were worth the time. At level 87 the mobs don't consistently drop adena for me to justify the time. I see all the wynn summoners up there.
"Coming soon to the NCStore... Increase your block list for only 1,200 NCCoins"
HAHAHha!!!! That would be about right
And NC already basically does sell adena. You buy that Ncoin card at Gamestop for $25 and that bonus BEWR you can sell..easy 100+ million you'll ever make.
It's a shame that there is such a chaos on the official servers!
I don't care about that poor explanations that moderators say here. It is a huge problem that affects the game and MUST be solved.
And also I hate people who say that you can easily block the spammers or the whole chat! And that they don't see here a problem
If you are in clan already and have lot of friends and don't need anyone else,
what about newer players? How will they communicate with other people, find mentors, join clans, parties, trade. or just f****ng chat??? if its DEAD.
And I have more than 30 spammers in my block list already but there are always new characters who spam.
I am first time on the official server and so disappointed.
Not too mention the main way to level (for the majority) kartias are becoming extremely hard to get people for for pick up groups. I now have to wait a significant amount of time only to say **** it ill go solo.
I know this is kinda late, but IDGAF and Im responding anyway
You cannot fight the adena spammers in game, but you can fight them out of game using your cmd prompt and a little thing called ping.
For example, are the lolga.com spam bots bugging you? Just ping the site from as many computers as you can until it crashes.
Open your cmd prompt and type "ping 204.188.229.162 -l -t65000 -n 10000" and get your whole clan to do the same. Take the website down and there's no reason for them to shout to sell their gold any more.
Actually, don't do that. It's probably not legal.
You are correct. The company can have your IP traced and can file a denial of service attack against you.
Actually, they probably cant. Check to see what country is hosting the domain. If its in China or Korea... Get to DoS'ing!
Add this one to the 100 other threads about the same thing because people fail to use the search function. :P
I wish Sace or Juji would combine them all into a single thread, or better yet just delete them.
or maybe get them to add Spam Suggestions by itself :p
then everyone can make threads like omg spam, wtf spam, spam help my, etc etc
this way you don't have to search "spam"
or maybe get them to add Spam Suggestions by itself :p
then everyone can make threads like omg spam, wtf spam, spam help my, etc etc
this way you don't have to search "spam"
My wish came true because they did merge them all into a single thread, just took a little time. Problem is many people come to these forums and begin posting without using common sense thinking they are the first person to pist about something.
I have blocked all the adena sellers in the town of Gludio, and would like to know if a GM can look in my ignore list and at least investigate if they are really selling adena or block them out right...
I have blocked all the adena sellers in the town of Gludio, and would like to know if a GM can look in my ignore list and at least investigate if they are really selling adena or block them out right...
My toon's name is Benidict on the Bartz server...
Thank you
GM's do not read the forums nor do they perform functions like the one you are requesting. If your block list is getting too big then go back and remove some of the earlier ones since chances are those have already been banned. The duty of the GM's is to assist players who are having problems and answer submitted tickets, not look into a players block list. :)
I think you are way over your head requesting something like this... do you think you are the only person who noticed that there was adena sellers all around the world of aden? Do you think that the GM's do not know of this problem? At the moment altho I do not know why the GM's do not address more importance to this problem, I simply think that it's because the game when it became free to play brough so many fake accounts to be created that the botters who sell adena simply can outright overwhelm any attempt to stop them by creating more and more bots and I think as long as Lineage 2 will stay F2P which I think is there to stay since NC made more money that way than they ever made when It was P2P there will not be any way to stop the botters from selling adena. Even I do not know of a viable solution to stop this if not to call the real life police investigation aka FBI or something and take down all the hosts of all the websites of thoses people who are selling adena. It's been done before with some private servers so I don't know why it couldn't be possible to take down a dozen of webhosting companies for hosting sites that sell adena which is higly illegal. Attack the source of the problem, not the messengers, because there is probably an infinite amount of them and you cannot stop the adena sellers simply by banning them in the current free to play situation because they will just make other accounts. And if they start Mass IP Banning there will be an enormous amount of people who will be caught in the range of an IP Ban and they would legitely want to play Lineage 2 and they won't be able because their IP is similar to one of the range they banned for it so banning IP's or IP Range isn't a solution either. So the problem is really hard to address but I think going at the source and sending the FBI at the dozen of web companies that hosts thoses sites who sell adena is the solution to stop this and it should be done that way but... many people say that NCSoft recieves money from thoses sites to not take them down and hence why the problem isn't assessed... but this is only what he rumours says and it is not my words.
I think there should be an order in the cities. I'm tired of getting into town and not able to use the chat because it is ALWAYS busy with advertisements of bots. Today, to make matters worse, I find two of these bots INSIDE the newbie helper in a manner in which prevented altogether click the NPC.
NC can't do anything about it, been trying fcor months and failing.. best method is to turn chats off when in town, aside from that nothing else to be done aside from you adding them to your blocklist.
Really I do not think NCSOFT can not find a solution.
I indicate three steps.
1 - Release the report button inside the city
2 - Create a rule that prohibits disclosure of http addresses in chat "all"
3 - Create a chat automatic checker that works as follows: when a player is reported within the city, look at your chat log "all", if there is an http address he gets JAIL ...if he gets JAIL 3 times for this reason, he gets BAN.
What matters is the idea!
I just want to solve the problem!
There is no way to solve the problem, the adena spammers always find a way to bypass whatever meager system NCSoft comes up with. If they were able to block this completely they would have done it years ago.
There are too many ways to get around protection and the RMT spammers know every trick in the book; they counter everything NCWest comes up with. For them this is a way of life, their main source of income and legal to do in their country so they are going to do whatever they can to continue their operations. Filters do not work, chat level limites do not work, censoring does not work, chat timers do not work as all this has been tried already and failed. Not even having a GM in the game will help because they will ban an account and within the hour ten new ones are created and take their place.
Can't be stopped, the sooner you accept this the better you will sleep at night.
There is no way to solve the problem, the adena spammers always find a way to bypass whatever meager system NCSoft comes up with. If they were able to block this completely they would have done it years ago.
Like.. really?
No way to solve the problem? Maybe chat only for level 85+ (its when the game really begin).
Here is a really simple method (not a cure but a treatment), why not make it time consuming to the seller. Create a script that prevents the player from leaving the talking island until he is at least level 20.
Pros:
-It will limit the locations to which a botter can teleport pre-20.
-If the seller spam bots are consistently banned, the sellers will stick to TI spamming rather than wasting an hour to get them where they need to be.
Cons:
-Limits real player exploration.
-Will not stop TI spam.
-Will not stop a determined seller.
How to slow down 20-39 bot spam.
Make high level zones expensive to teleport to. What business does a level 20 character have there anyway? Again I know there are a lot of cons to this but the plus side is more clear chat in areas you will spend more time in.
Again I know this will not stop it and there are issues with it but it will at least make it annoying to the botters to have this happen constantly
Another way would be to force the player to complete a quick quest before being allowed to leave the island.
The quest would pick three completely random NPC's to speak to and then end at the point of origin.
What this would do is create hundreds of different paths that the botters would have to map out while a real player could complete it in a few minutes.
Pain in the *** but again it would make the game a bit better
Another way would be to force the player to complete a quick quest before being allowed to leave the island.
The quest would pick three completely random NPC's to speak to and then end at the point of origin.
What this would do is create hundreds of different paths that the botters would have to map out while a real player could complete it in a few minutes.
Pain in the *** but again it would make the game a bit better
There's also a really easy solution: ban their mac addresses.
NC should modify the l2.bin file or the launcher implementing a "mac address logging function" or something like that, piece of cake.
Mac Address = unique ID of your internet modem/router.
Anyway, if a GM goes in the major cities once a day banning them (it should take 30 minutes max), surely the spam could be reduced a lot. The first day I entered Gludio there were over 10 spam bots and once I /blocked them all, Gludio was "silent" for the whole day. I mean even if they create new bots with new names, it takes AT LEAST 24 hours before they start spamming again.
PS - Please help reporting all the high lvl bots farming in Sel Mahum Training Grounds (south of Oren).
They're farming these large groups of mobs spamming AoE:
If you hit the bots while they're farming, their AoE hits you = you can kill them with no PK penalty = PvP farm :D
Help spreading this information in your clan and ally!
block chat if level < 85. As somebody said, low level players needs mentors, find party or even ask help from high level. But even with this block, there would be even more bots leveling to 85.
But there could be option to ignore all chats from players with level [--select-from -to-1-85----]. So bots don't know if they messages are blocked or not, because this protection should be on client side and customized.
Let players make custom black list, that message will be ignored if it matches one. Example: www, com, usd. Again bots can try to react to this by doing: "w_w_w.xxoa.co_m 8.37u.s.d", player can add new filter "8.37", in this way bots will have difficulties, because they don't know what filters players use. Disadvantage? bots can use messages with extreme number of random chars like: "w__w_w.x x m o a.c[remove-this]om 8 . 3 7 U,S.D". Good luck filtering this :D
imagine we find some way to block all spam. Bots will find new way to do it, like private messages that is even more annoying.
in conclusion: forget white chat and trade chat windows.
And how can people look for parties and mentors before that level? :)
No, party matching doesn't count for looking for mentors. Its use is intended for, guess what, party matching.
Dude, wake up, there's NO newcomers here...
What we have atm: People that still play (all level 85+, 99,99% of server, no faking new players) p1ssed with that faking RMT spam.
So, stop with that faking sh11t like: hey mengz, lowlevels need chat. NO, they don't need a faking chat to LF mentor because the ratio atm its 100:1 (mentor:mentee). NO, they don't need faking shout for party to kill some mobs in faking cruma tower.
And when mentors are looking for mentees? The mentees can't even reply with whispers because they can't whisper.
Or people with alts and low subs looking for kama/laba parties.
You can't take out the various possibilities your "solution" blocks out just because they're not favorable to you.
And when mentors are looking for mentees? The mentees can't even reply with whispers because they can't whisper.
Or people with alts and low subs looking for kama/laba parties.
You can't take out the various possibilities your "solution" blocks out just because they're not favorable to you.
Just open party matching, there're ALWAYS people lf mentee, join channel and chat.
Even in the party matching I saw today ppl selling adena :eek:
Each day more *normal* player try to sell adena, shouting in towns, making shops. It goes out of hand totally.
And to restrict the shout for ppl till they reach a certain lvl is the wrong way. NC must do something to avoid this totally. Just pressing a cloth on the wound does not solve anything.
Just open party matching, there're ALWAYS people lf mentee, join channel and chat.
In fact, party matching isn't intended for that use, it's players who use it for purposes not originally intended when it was implemented.
- Allow private chat between mentor/mentee.
No.
I mean.
A mentor shouts for mentees.
A potential mentee can't reply on public chats because of the block. Nor whisper the potential mentor.
So the mentor can't even know if there's some mentee out there.
- Allow chars with *subclass* to chat.
This would work only if the code is written to allow the game to distinguish between people with low-level main class and low-level subclass.
In every way, it's a useless suggestion: bots would level up to 85 without trouble, whereas lowbies would be penalized for something they have no fault of.
In fact, party matching isn't intended for that use, it's players who use it for purposes not originally intended when it was implemented.
Basically its the only way to keep shout free of RMT, even if it's not the real purpose.
I mean.
A mentor shouts for mentees.
A potential mentee can't reply on public chats because of the block. Nor whisper the potential mentor.
So the mentor can't even know if there's some mentee out there.
He will reply, just need join mentor's party channel.
Hell, you have a population of 99,99% old players ****** with RMT shouts, like... GTF0 new players that wanna use shout. They don't need use it, chat between mentee/mentor is fine.
This would work only if the code is written to allow the game to distinguish between people with low-level main class and low-level subclass.
In every way, it's a useless suggestion: bots would level up to 85 without trouble, whereas lowbies would be penalized for something they have no fault of.
If you didn't notice actually NCSoft BAN RMT spammers, it's matter of minutes to them bot another char and get lvl 20... Again GOOD LUCK for RMT leveling 85 chars and getting banned over and over again.
He will reply, just need join mentor's party channel.
Hell, you have a population of 99,99% old players ****** with RMT shouts, like... GTF0 new players that wanna use shout. They don't need use it, chat between mentee/mentor is fine.
What party channel? I'm talking about general chat. Right now, there's no general chat use from 1-20 characters due to the restrictions. And you want to extend that restriction to 85.
No, I don't accept party invites from names I don't recognize.
If you didn't notice actually NCSoft BAN RMT spammers, it's matter of minutes to them bot another char and get lvl 20... Again GOOD LUCK for RMT leveling 85 chars and getting banned over and over again.
They take less than a week for that. ^^
Clearly there isn't much thought into these suggestions and who it might effect. Everyone wants it what they want for their benefit and who cares about everyone else. This game is totally not noob friendly anymore, given it is easy to level and get gear,but beyond that it's laughable to other games.
There is only one solution for that, GM have to enter to control pannel at least 2 times a day and ban all spammers account. But as long as NCsoft have full pocket of money from L2shop, as long they will only pretend they are doing something with spammers.
Want have fast and good solution for spamers, stop visiting L2shop.
Or there is other answer for spammers problem.
On 6 servers are spammers, in at least 6 towns is at least 5 spammers. So its around 150 chars spamming in that same time. So 150 account working at that same time for one group of adena sellers. Don't you think its curious. So who is able to manage that... NC...
There is only one solution for that, GM have to enter to control pannel at least 2 times a day and ban all spammers account. But as long as NCsoft have full pocket of money from L2shop, as long they will only pretend they are doing something with spammers.
Want have fast and good solution for spamers, stop visiting L2shop.
Err, if you have bothered researching a bit before writing this post, you would have understood that RMT bots need less than an hour to level up another character to 21 before putting it in towns to endlessly spam.
So, repeatedly banning them doesn't discourage the company behind them from creating endless accounts.
Or there is other answer for spammers problem.
On 6 servers are spammers, in at least 6 towns is at least 5 spammers. So its around 150 chars spamming in that same time. So 150 account working at that same time for one group of adena sellers. Don't you think its curious. So who is able to manage that... NC...
Another one with weird conspiracy theories?
You know what? RMT companies use out-of-game bots. Without even needing to open the client.
I have blocked all the adena sellers in the town of Gludio, and would like to know if a GM can look in my ignore list and at least investigate if they are really selling adena or block them out right...
My toon's name is Benidict on the Bartz server...
Thank you
I think you should try to make a report, it's a lot faster and they can answer in less than 24h (I know because I reported about bots too). Just take a few screenshots where is visible the spam and the names, then send everything with this method:
On 6 servers are spammers, in at least 6 towns is at least 5 spammers. So its around 150 chars spamming in that same time. So 150 account working at that same time for one group of adena sellers. Don't you think its curious. So who is able to manage that... NC...
I don't think NC is doing that, it's like "shooting yourself in the foot", I mean if they really want L2 to become a ghost town then that's the way.
The numbers is not a problem for botters because the programs they use don't need L2 to run in full screen for each account, they can run tens of instances just using a script.
Another one with weird conspiracy theories?
You know what? RMT companies use out-of-game bots. Without even needing to open the client.
Oh well, maybe I'm just simple thinking person, but so big and advanced company as Ncsoft that was able to make so many different and complex games should be able to fix fast and once for all bots problem. But they aren't or they don’t want to solve bots problem. So IMHO something smells really bad.
If NCWest managed RMT companies, they wouldn't be operating on a monthly loss of 2 million dollars, which must be sent from Korea to maintain the servers.
Here the conspiracy theory about NCSoft=RMT gets served.
I think there should be an order in the cities. I'm tired of getting into town and not able to use the chat because it is ALWAYS busy with advertisements of bots. Today, to make matters worse, I find two of these bots INSIDE the newbie helper in a manner in which prevented altogether click the NPC.
Please admins, take a stand!
I completely quote this, it's frustrating when things like that happen.
monthly loss of 2 million dollars
Now I feel sorry for playing for free, really.. I think part of the problem are adena sellers.
If there aren't adena sellers, players start farming on their own and to make it faster some of them would probably purchase something from the L2 Store. If players spend their pocket money for adenas, they won't spend anything for the L2 Store, that's why stopping the adena spam is important.