Well i am glad i made one 1 lvl toon a few hours ago for shots.
Well dunno how accounts with toons already on a server would affect server problems...but i guess its technical issue to not disable creation only for new accounts.
Character creation has been disabled on Chronos and Naia as a temporary solution to reduce server capacity issues and lag.
sigh....character creation is not the problem.
New Account Creations on Chronos is the problem.
If you have 3 toons on 1 account created on chronos,
not allowing somebody to create a 4th toon on that 1 account on Chronos
will not do anything since you can only have 1 toon logged in at a time anyhow
on that 1 account.
Current accounts should be able to create new characters still, since this will not add to the congestion.
They should (must) make those SSR you can buy with the diplomas or all the items you can buy with diplomas totally non-tradable so new players (chars) can use the but not on another char (main). ending the exploiting for free shots.
Q: Do you think that the current method of getting free R-Grade Soulshots and Blessed Spiritshots is a nice thing, or a big flaw economically-speaking?
A: Possibly both, but it was important for us to release the Mentor System without any delay when Goddess of Destruction launched. Since then, a lot of other projects overtook priority on this but I am sure you know it won’t last forever.
@Gala : I don't have the need to insult you with french words, since obviously you know those words. Please explain me what I did to hurt you so much, I would be a pleasure to help you
sigh....character creation is not the problem.
New Account Creations on Chronos is the problem.
If you have 3 toons on 1 account created on chronos,
not allowing somebody to create a 4th toon on that 1 account on Chronos
will not do anything since you can only have 1 toon logged in at a time anyhow
on that 1 account.
Current accounts should be able to create new characters still, since this will not add to the congestion.
Blocking character creation while cleaning from RMT spammers / bot will decrease bot population.
Why do you want to block account creation if people want to play on Magmeld / Shilen / Bartz ?
I exactly understood you, but how do you want to block account creation for only one server so ?
When you create an account, you have access to all servers
I am assuming NCSoft can disable any new account creations to not have access to Chronos. Since they just did the same thing in the GM's post, but with Characters instead of Accounts.
sigh....character creation is not the problem.
New Account Creations on Chronos is the problem.
If you have 3 toons on 1 account created on chronos,
not allowing somebody to create a 4th toon on that 1 account on Chronos
will not do anything since you can only have 1 toon logged in at a time anyhow
on that 1 account.
Current accounts should be able to create new characters still, since this will not add to the congestion.
We monitor new account creations everyday. I understand the frustration of now being able to create new characters on Chronos/Naia, but please understand that this is just a temporary solution for now.
then to say that ...
... was a failure? :confused:
... so the lag will endure.
Turning off character creation for Chronos and Naia was only part of the other changes that were made during today's maintenance.
I am assuming NCSoft can disable any new account creations to not have access to Chronos. Since they just did the same thing in the GM's post, but with Characters instead of Accounts.
They basically did it, but in a way that it blocks everyone not only new accounts.
I am not sure they are able to do what you are thinking about. So better a working solution than a perfect solution
Blocking character creation while cleaning from RMT spammers / bot will decrease bot population.
I agree with this but it should be blocking any new account creations on Chronos. the way it is now with just blocking character creations, hurts
the current real players.
Blocking any new accounts instead will not hurt the current real players on Chronos, but when the gms ban bots, then the bots wont be able to create any new accounts on Chronos.
You can block the creation of new toon for new account only with the following test :
Is there a toon on this server ?
-> Yes : creation possible
-> No : creation impossible
If i create a new account, i've no toon on Naia, i can't create new toon
If it's an old account, i've toon on Naia, i can create another toon if i've free slot.
Character creation has been disabled on Chronos and Naia as a temporary solution to reduce server capacity issues and lag.
AS a team you have to all be smarter then this. If i create an alt character on my account it takes up no more space then if i play my main.... If you want to fix the sitaution stop all NEW ACCOUNT CREATION and then BAN THE FREAKING AUTOBOTs....... Even if you where lazy and only banned the unscripted ones it would help.
+1 for actually attempting a fix, however, if the next steps arent the right ones, we will be right back at square one.
Heres to hoping this isn't just a temp ploy to gain alittle popularity.
If anything they could get another female gm and just have her post and gain fanboyz. /cough
@ Laby Gz, you being the victim of trolling, rofl.
I don't mind :D
I would not say exploitin' ultimately everyone benefits from it, including you.
I did it twice tbh, in December 2011, never used this shot pool since as a summoner ^^'
Blocking accounts will just struggle the game while there are 3 servers not full.
As a man/woman with a brain you should be smarter than that
You are dense I see so let me better explain. You create new account for l2 and you get to server selection screen and WTF there is no Chronos or Nai so you take your new character self into an empty server. WOW you really can block account creation for those 2 servers while allowing others to join the empty ones. This is rocket science so I can see how you are slow on the uptick.........
This would be helping the dead servers why allowing NCwest to deal with the real issue. Which is the large population of automated characters.
Before trying to be a genius, you may want to consider than NCSoft thought about it longer than you did (it's their job you know) and if they didn't do it this way, there are surely several reasons, especially technical difficulties.
They have done the same but worse the way they are doing it now with
just blocking new characters.
My suggestion doesn't hurt the current players on Chronos, only the bots.
As I said right before, it's prolly not easy / possible for NCSoft to do so
Accounts are managed with the web platform, with a different configuration than the server, where each server got his own characteristic / settings. It's far easier to disable character creation somewhere than blocking accounts to choose a server
just make ppl unable to log in more than 3 accounts. u have not to risk to ban legit players and ppl will still buy nc coin.
so no one will lose anything
It must be in the water..
My wife and two of my kids log in from same IP thats 4 accounts who buy NCcoin. You would have banned 4 accounts from individuals who support the server. Think before you type.............
My wife and two of my kids log in from same IP thats 4 accounts who buy NCcoin. You would have banned 4 accounts from individuals who support the server. Think before you type.............
My wife and two of my kids log in from same IP thats 4 accounts who buy NCcoin. You would have banned 4 accounts from individuals who support the server. Think before you type.............
learn to read. I didn't say they must ban. just make the poeple unable to log in more than 3 accounts per ip
This is really a nice 'gift'.
This will set back clan level up, getting clan skills and any clan progression by a few weeks. Minimum of 7 days of no character creation is a minimum 'loss' of 20,000 CRP.
The amount of Accounts on the server is the problem, Not whether or not an account holder can create a new toon or not.
A current account holder can only play one character from the account at a time, He cant be simultaneously logged in to multiple characters from the same account. So Stopping the Character Creation process is not the way to go..
Those of us who are or were already a account holder on this server should not be restricted to what our accounts can do. We are playing, and most of us are paying customer base. Your not showing gratitude for our business by closing the character creation process. ITs a slap in the face.
People get bored with one toon and create a new one for a different experience.
People create other classes to explore and learn their game mechanics to more effectively combat classes in pvp.
People Create other characters to give support to other clan members, in form of Characters for leveling parties, Mentee Coins, etc.
People Create other characters to level up through a clan academy to generate CRP to level a clan..
Want a Population fix to your Server issue.... Here are a Few Legitimate Suggestions.
A GM actually sits in each town for 30 minutes and Bans all the toons that PM him/her for RMT services
A GM logs in and listens to their player base and VISIBLY inspects player reported bot parties. COME on U can not tell me that watching a party for 10 minutes U cant tell if someone is botting or not.. If you cant.. Then buy a new deck of cards so you got a full deck!!
Set up Sting Operations where GM's Go to Adena sites and purchase Gold and catch the people who come to deliver, and BAM ban the account.
IF the shot toon process is actually an exploit of the game, ( which i find hard to believe) then Its a easy fix to stop it in the game code, And it would be easy to do, if you can keep quests from showing up to characters who have completed them, then you can make the Mentee Certificate a one time use Period... So by not doing so your either Condoning it, Or its ( in the words of our Fearless Management ) "WORKING AS INTENDED" !!! so fix it if it is broken
Remove any account that has not been on line for more than two years.. True Inactive Accounts.. Save all the data, and if the person does eventually come back.. And questions the where abouts of his account.. Then MANUALY add it back to the SLQ Database..
Accounts that has had 0 experience gained on an account for more than 5 months, Then deactivate the account and make somenoe ask for it back and question them about the toons reason for existence.
The problem is that the "program users" are a big client base and a big source of income for Ncsoft. The reason Players of the weapon expolit was not banned is cause they have a extensive transaction history with Ncsoft coin, So Ncsoft does not want to Sever its tie with a fluid income.
For a long time, there has been a bot problem, In Korea, they gave up, and allowed bots to be part of the server.... NCSoft West has virtually done the same thing. They are tired of fighting it and no real reason too esp if the bots are spending money for Ncoin.. Instead they do minor little things like, Country IP bans, for a show.. WHOOPS PROXY login since im in China.. No biggy.. Or BAN HAMMER!!! Multiple accounts get banned, but its only 1 or 2 accounts per train, so No biggie for the Bot owner.. He probably has 2-3 replacements and if not.. its 7 days 1-86 for a botter.. shorter if they play the toon 24/7.. SO they are not DOING anything to control the bot population.. they are just doing something so it LOOKS like they are attempting to do something.. You cant tell me that if they were worried about it, The Development Team would not DL the Bot program, Figure out how it works.. ANd develop a block or detection process.. DUH!!! Dont tell me that 1,000's of people can find a link to known programs.. But the GM's and Dev team can not find any data on them.. LMAO!!
Bottom Line the game is no longer a player game based on skill. It has become a game of "pay to win" and "pay to win and be good at bot script" Skilled players are an almost extinct breed... NCSoft has lost track of its Value on game play and placed a sole attention on its Bottom Line.. If you spend tons of money with us.. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!.. Sigh..
Good decision. Sadly, main thing are not done and not gonna be done probably. Just walk through Dragon valley, bloody swamp, stakato nest...zillions of bot trains, everywhere...honestly, I am starting to think to use 3rd program too, after when one guy told how much adena they do per day. People don't afraid that bots gonna be banned, they get adena from them, u can always bot another party easily and be more rich. I am not telling that everyone from those clans are using bots...but I am 100% sure and I seen, how DH ppl (actually even have screens with chat), many many players from Einheit clan are playing not very clean :) I am not saying, that they are using 3rd part programs, maybe they have few hundred hands...but they are not afraid since they don't bot with main characters. Try to go to some places main places and attack their bots, u will see how suddenly 97+ lvl character appears and kills u :) Heh, that's the life in Naia...it's disgusting. Sadly, I am not allowed to post anymore links to my movies with ppl "botting", becouse Sage is not very happy when server gets rock into his yard.
Please, GM's, let us, simple players, know, what have you done to stop 3rd part program users? I know, that they buy from online shop etc...it's good for business. Sadly, everyboduy knows but nobody does anything. Online petition is always off, report bot button works every few hours (to report party...?)...u have to go online and fill up form, then u will get an email, that they gonna investigate something...one month later, u see that guy running 90+ from 80...heh. This is thing u have to work on...but u know your "job".
Ofc I am gonna get notice or ban here for calling bots being bots...or even ban :) Post gonna be deleted... You know Sage, that I am telling the truth :) GF
For a long time, there has been a bot problem, In Korea, they gave up, and allowed bots to be part of the server.... NCSoft West has virtually done the same thing. They are tired of fighting it and no real reason too esp if the bots are spending money for Ncoin.. Instead they do minor little things like, Country IP bans, for a show.. WHOOPS PROXY login since im in China.. No biggy.. Or BAN HAMMER!!! Multiple accounts get banned, but its only 1 or 2 accounts per train, so No biggie for the Bot owner.. He probably has 2-3 replacements and if not.. its 7 days 1-86 for a botter.. shorter if they play the toon 24/7.. SO they are not DOING anything to control the bot population.. they are just doing something so it LOOKS like they are attempting to do something.. You cant tell me that if they were worried about it, The Development Team would not DL the Bot program, Figure out how it works.. ANd develop a block or detection process.. DUH!!! Dont tell me that 1,000's of people can find a link to known programs.. But the GM's and Dev team can not find any data on them.. LMAO!!
I wish NCwest would grow some stones and either just say all 3rd party programing is allowed our game has no intregety anymore anyway. We sold it with destruction scrolls about a year ago. OR We are going to risk our revenue stream by kicking the bots but in hopes that cleaning up the server, the game is more attractive to new streams of revenue (I.E. legit players still on private servers with out bots). This wink wink BS that goes on now is idiotic. I keep a strict no botting policy in my clan and when we catch someone we ban them. I get why its hard for us to recruit with this rule but we try and respect a ElUA that even NCwest has no respect for...............
Just got back to the game and got one of my old lvl50chars deleted to be able to create a new toon to get myself a mentee cert on my lvl79MM .. but now i can't .. so can GM plz send my 79MM a mentee cert and i wont create a new toon i promise.
Or how can i get myself that cert without making a new toon?
Best had been to give every old char above 40 one.
Just got back to the game and got one of my old lvl50chars deleted to be able to create a new toon to get myself a mentee cert on my lvl79MM .. but now i can't .. so can GM plz send my 79MM a mentee cert and i wont create a new toon i promise.
Or how can i get myself that cert without making a new toon?
Best had been to give every old char above 40 one.
Submit a support ticket whats the worste that could happen? Some minimum wage support person who hates his job laughs at your request and denies it? Still it is worth a try..............
This decision is the worse idea ever, first you lower the player limit and now this. Why the hell one of you NCSOFT WILL GO TO DRAGON VALLEY, STAKATO NEST , BLOODY SWAMPLAND , MONASTERY OF SILCENCE OR GOG AND BAN THE BOTS, THERE ARE TONS OF BOTTRAINS THAT ONE HAVE TO BE BLIND OR STUPID TO NOT RECOGNIZE THIS FACT. YOU JUST DO ANOTHER VERY WISE ACTION TO GAIN MORE LIKES ON FACEBOOK -> O.M.G. I BET IF YOU CLEAN THE REAL BOT TRAINS WHILE MANTAINING LOCKED NEW ACCOUNTS THE POPULATION IN HIGH PEAK WILL BE 3K NO MORE !
This decision is the worse idea ever, first you lower the player limit and now this. Why the hell one of you NCSOFT WILL GO TO DRAGON VALLEY, STAKATO NEST , BLOODY SWAMPLAND , MONASTERY OF SILCENCE OR GOG AND BAN THE BOTS, THERE ARE TONS OF BOTTRAINS THAT ONE HAVE TO BE BLIND OR STUPID TO NOT RECOGNIZE THIS FACT. YOU JUST DO ANOTHER VERY WISE ACTION TO GAIN MORE LIKES ON FACEBOOK -> O.M.G. I BET IF YOU CLEAN THE REAL BOT TRAINS WHILE MANTAINING LOCKED NEW ACCOUNTS THE POPULATION IN HIGH PEAK WILL BE 3K NO MORE !
Lol, love how people are more worried about shots. Good news for dwarfs atleast.
Bsps have always been more expensive, the only logical explaination is that those complaining about shots is:
1. Private server folk
2. Started at the beginning of God
3. Played pre c4, and never made it out of D/C grade shots
you are completely wrong,i started in c1 like most of the ppl i know and ive been "exploiting" this shots systems. imo its a nice systems for everyone, if you want to save money then just take 2h a week for free shots if you are lazy and dont care then have fun and waste money on your shots.
obviously you are a tank so ofc this shots thing doesnt bother you but for a mage/healer xping like 2-3h a day in a group(EG/HF/orbis) you dont make any adena so how are you supposed to pay for bsps? dont get me wrong, i have tons of adena and i could by bsps easy but i still thing that its a nice system.
Blocking creation of character on existing account is stupid.
this game is led by people who come from the street and have no idea about game mechanics.. how the hell "character" creation lagged server? If you have too many records stored in database delete those 5+ years old and dont enable "new" accounts to create characters on Naia and Chronos. But this requires too much to add 1 new criterium like "creation date" to the SQL query
P.S. I have a 3 second lag at this moment. Good job team NC.
Character creation is blocked both for old and new accounts.
Now, I don't see why people still cry, after crying for solutions. For once NC does something seriously and you're still demanding kids?
Blocked character creation means that NO ONE CAN CREATE TOONS, both legits and unlegits. See what they did there?
Character creation is blocked both for old and new accounts.
Now, I don't see why people still cry, after crying for solutions. For once NC does something seriously and you're still demanding kids?
Blocked character creation means that NO ONE CAN CREATE TOONS, both legits and unlegits. See what they did there?
5000 posts of useless crap you are selling here not?
people cry because this changed nothing mr. "I agree with mods all the time, so maybe Ill get promoted to one of them in 20 years".
block char creation is only going to work if the next step is ban the obvious bots/clear the usual spots of the many trains..
else it's going to be a while before anyone can make new chars
Well, I for once am glad they're taking some visible action. Obviously I don't believe blindly the servers will get better only with this. Combing the accounts and banning the unlegit ones is the REAL solution for this whole mess.
But blocking any potential RMT site from creating toons, or any professional botter on Naia and Chronos from recreating the characters after getting their accounts banned, is bound to strongly limit the issue of full servers. And that's what I'm trying to get the crying kids to see.
block char creation is only going to work if the next step is ban the obvious bots/clear the usual spots of the many trains..
else it's going to be a while before anyone can make new chars
Ok Im wondering your logic or anyone that thinks this way... I what Good does it do to stop Character Creation On an over populated server that just had 500 active slots removed .... NOTHING! If My account is logged in and I am on my main, or a alt on the same account, Im still taking up a server slot.. So stoping the character Creation does nothing.. As for I can not be logged into my Main and my Alt unless I have more than 1 account and dual box.. . so really anyone who looks at this and thinks OOOooo Great Move NCsoft, Is a total ****** and brainless person. Correct Approach, would be to stop NEW Accounts From creating Toons on the server.
THe Reason they stopped the Character Creation is to keep People who cant transfer to the Server, to not be able to create a toon on our server of Chronos, But they could Still fix that issue as well, If Character count on server = 0 then No new characters can be created.. If Character count on server =1 or greater. Character Creation can happen.
People think that it takes Rocket Science to be a member of the Dev team or coding team. I assure you if anyone that worked at NCSOFT had a I.Q higher of that Calibur they would not be employed at a video game company ... But if 100's of average people are coming up with the same ideas, and see the issue, why cant our "Accredited Development" team do something on a common sense level instead of trying to look smarter than are.. Remove Head from ***** and do something before you loose any player base that is willing to spend money... No legit players... HA HA HA no one for bots to play with or farm for.... Keep it up and your players will leave and Lineage II will close thier doors and then you wont have a pot to piss in!!
Character creation is blocked both for old and new accounts.
Now, I don't see why people still cry, after crying for solutions. For once NC does something seriously and you're still demanding kids?
Blocked character creation means that NO ONE CAN CREATE TOONS, both legits and unlegits. See what they did there?
I do agree that this was not bad decision, problem is that NC is not looking where they should look. Today I gon to Silent valey to take a look, there are plenty of bots just runing...same bots that were running 3 month ago while I was exping my sub. I was making powerlvl for one my toon in DV...impossible...bots everywhere...u can't even kill them coz of PK status or there are a lot of huge lvl defenders :)
I do agree that this was not bad decision, problem is that NC is not looking where they should look. Today I gon to Silent valey to take a look, there are plenty of bots just runing...same bots that were running 3 month ago while I was exping my sub. I was making powerlvl for one my toon in DV...impossible...bots everywhere...u can't even kill them coz of PK status or there are a lot of huge lvl defenders :)
As I said 2 posts after the one you quoted, this solution is only a start for the real one, which is: banning bots.
It's obvious that character creation block alone isn't enough to free up server space. But stopping unlegit people from taking up even more server space, is a start.
I'm waiting for NC to effectively swinging the banhammer (perhaps without last time's disastrous results) before singing praises to Shilen.
Having said that, I do agree that having bots everywhere is annoying. I used to lv up lowbie subs and alts, and getting a spot was a tag game.
As I said 2 posts after the one you quoted, this solution is only a start for the real one, which is: banning bots.
It's obvious that character creation block alone isn't enough to free up server space. But stopping unlegit people from taking up even more server space, is a start.
I'm waiting for NC to effectively swinging the banhammer (perhaps without last time's disastrous results) before singing praises to Shilen.
Having said that, I do agree that having bots everywhere is annoying. I used to lv up lowbie subs and alts, and getting a spot was a tag game.
How police decide what crime to investigate first. Small thievery or murder? I believe murder. And Nc decides to work just with small thieves. Yes, if you have to investigate bot problem, it's long and hard work...but ****, everyone sees bots, NC doesn't. You should rly be stupid not to see what is seen even for kids :) You have to solve main problem straight away, not play with bull****.
To all those who think this action was made in order to decrease the amount of bots:
Nope. Juji never said that. He said that they disabled character creation in order to reduce lags. No bots will be banned and they won't disappear. They will keep doing what they are doing. No banhammer will be swinged either, because the only true banhammer available is in the possession of Gran Kain.
There are endless streams of well known botters on Magmeld, Chronos and Naia, and I know some of them personally. They bot for 6 months undisturbed.
I was tempted to join in, but the game isn't worth that much.
If you want to play on a server where bots are a rare occurance go and play on Innova servers.
Btw, how simple private servers has much better security than corporation with loads of uber duber programers? Embarrassing...CEO should sack those idiots now...or he is very dumb ceo... :)
How police decide what crime to investigate first. Small thievery or murder? I believe murder. And Nc decides to work just with small thieves. Yes, if you have to investigate bot problem, it's long and hard work...but ****, everyone sees bots, NC doesn't. You should rly be stupid not to see what is seen even for kids :) You have to solve main problem straight away, not play with bull****.
But even if you ban countless bots, they're going to be recreated overnight, because there's no loss into creating countless new junk accounts.
And that's why blocking character creation should be the first step for a massive cleaning up, and not a stand-alone action.
But even if you ban countless bots, they're going to be recreated overnight, because there's no loss into creating countless new junk accounts.
And that's why blocking character creation should be the first step for a massive cleaning up, and not a stand-alone action.
You know theese are pretty **** weak excuses when a private server is able to manage it, while the official server where everything should be perfectly allright can't.
But even if you ban countless bots, they're going to be recreated overnight, because there's no loss into creating countless new junk accounts.
And that's why blocking character creation should be the first step for a massive cleaning up, and not a stand-alone action.
Computer, IP, Mac ban? Like I said, ppl who are boting, they bot not for character, they bot for adena. I am lvl 99, do You think I am gonna bot with my main? No way! I can just take and start boting with my toons, no care if they gonna be banned...but still, getting rich by mentoring/adena/drop. And if those toons not gonna be banned early, they gonna become high lvl, and drops bigger. And If they gonna reach lets say 95+...you can sell them :) That's why there has to be IP ban at least...pc ban for a month lets say. And that's why you have to ban those toons at early stages. And now, no action was taken for ages, boters became very reach...funny thing like I said, everyone knows about who is boting...but no1 cares. So boting according to NC is illigal, but not punishable.
Stopping account creation is just silly, no one would ever stop a customer from walking through theire doors.
As much as i dislike tif and his mod addiction, theyre right in the sense that this can only be the first step towards somethin better, however if it is just a solution they believe will work on its own... Well theyll be playing us again like they have for the past 8 years
sigh....character creation is not the problem.
New Account Creations on Chronos is the problem.
If you have 3 toons on 1 account created on chronos,
not allowing somebody to create a 4th toon on that 1 account on Chronos
will not do anything since you can only have 1 toon logged in at a time anyhow
on that 1 account.
Current accounts should be able to create new characters still, since this will not add to the congestion.
+1 to this.
Really NC? If my clannies and I want to run lowbies raids and farm lowbies bosses (for e.g.) -- what makes you think we'll appreciate disabling character creation? The problem is the events you continue to run that cause spikes in the population. Events, might I add, that nobody likes anyway. Please just stop creating events that encourage bots and adena farmers to make more accounts and you won't have this problem. But please don't interfere with my game play because you haven't realized this. Go back to idea room and figure it out.
The fix is backwards.
Should be new account blocking on Chronos/Naia
not character blocking
Character blocking only hurts the current real players, account blocking would hurt the bots once they get banned.
You can't block accounts from being created... That would hurt the whole business.
Since every account has access to all servers. All servers or none, there can't be middle ways.
Computer, IP, Mac ban? Like I said, ppl who are boting, they bot not for character, they bot for adena. I am lvl 99, do You think I am gonna bot with my main? No way! I can just take and start boting with my toons, no care if they gonna be banned...but still, getting rich by mentoring/adena/drop. And if those toons not gonna be banned early, they gonna become high lvl, and drops bigger. And If they gonna reach lets say 95+...you can sell them :) That's why there has to be IP ban at least...pc ban for a month lets say. And that's why you have to ban those toons at early stages. And now, no action was taken for ages, boters became very reach...funny thing like I said, everyone knows about who is boting...but no1 cares. So boting according to NC is illigal, but not punishable.
They have introduced IP bans a while ago. You can see for yourself how effective they were.
Also, somewhere in this same thread other people have stated that mac address bans are silly for the same reason IP bans are: they're easy to circumvent.
By the way, in case it wasn't clear: I agree with most of what you say, but there are also "but"s that need to be taken into consideration.
As much as i dislike tif and his mod addiction, theyre right in the sense that this can only be the first step towards somethin better, however if it is just a solution they believe will work on its own... Well theyll be playing us again like they have for the past 8 years
Someone who gets what I'm trying to say.
But, I'm not a "he" :p , nor I want to be a mod. Just trying to offer different points of view.
Character creation has been disabled on Chronos and Naia as a temporary solution to reduce server capacity issues and lag.
How about you grab that fictional game surveilance unit and take a stroll through Harnak Ruins, Execution Grounds, Orbis Temple, Hellbound, Monastery of Silence, Giants Cave, Imperial Tomb and ban hundreds/thousands of bots infesting the game? Or by NC West's business strategy it's more important to block the influx of potential new players and NCoin buyers?
You can't block accounts from being created... That would hurt the whole business.
Since every account has access to all servers. All servers or none, there can't be middle ways.
So, making a change that would only effect bots
"So they cant make new accounts on Chronos/Naia when banned"
would hurt the business,
but doing what they are doing now, which only hurts real people, does not ?
Lag is worse than before :( from 350-400 ping jumped to 550-600 ms :(
Could be a peering problem between my isp and level3 scumbags tho i can't be sure. Anyone from Romania on a different provider than RDS-RCS to give some insight? Is it possible to reach <160-170 ms with the server in Austin,TX without the use of battleping,etc?
How about you grab that fictional game surveilance unit and take a stroll through Harnak Ruins, Execution Grounds, Orbis Temple, Hellbound, Monastery of Silence, Giants Cave, Imperial Tomb and ban hundreds/thousands of bots infesting the game? Or by NC West's business strategy it's more important to block the influx of potential new players and NCoin buyers?
That would require the Hiring of a non existent team, who MIGHT actually do their Job and go to the office for something other than Peanutbutter Jelly Time... they Might also ban some people who have spent close to 1,000's of dollars on NCCoin from a high level clan that used 3rd party Injection software to manipulate game responses and walked away with about 20 +17 - +21 Blessed R99 weapons.. But I mean they claim to have taken care of it.. They reset the weapons and took off the augments... OOoo im so sure that scared the server into not ever exploiting the game. .. The toons still thrive on Server... why... Im sure its cause they spend $$$ for coin.. and that is THE ONLY THING NCSOFT cares about.. Going to a free to play game, Although in the beginning sounded like a GREAT idea.. Has turned out to be for this Game a Nightmare.. It is no longer a free to play game.. Its a PAY TO WIN game. And I would not be surprised if some of the Non legit players were not of Staff making $$$ on the side!
the solution would be ban the bot trains in mos, stakatoes, tullys, hellbound, antharas lair WITH the no creation of new toons. in combination, i think u would find amazing results.
So, making a change that would only effect bots
"So they cant make new accounts on Chronos/Naia when banned"
would hurt the business,
but doing what they are doing now, which only hurts real people, does not ?
Ugh, this again...
Bots and RMT can currently create countless accounts, which are linked to ALL servers, because they don't have to pay for doing so.
Blocking character creation, however, prevents them from creating characters that go filling up server space, which can be occupied by legit players (with previously created toons, but it's not the point here).
Now, how in the world this whole ordeal would hurt the legit players ONLY?
No creation = no new RMT bots in town
No new RMT bots = no adena sales
No adena sales = no illegal income
And that's if we look at the cheaters' side only.
Now, if only people would stop:
-botting
-buying adena
and NC would:
-ban bots
-ban cheaters (including those who sell/buy adena)
this wouldn't even have happened in the first place.
Character creation has been disabled on Chronos and Naia as a temporary solution to reduce server capacity issues and lag.
As usual, you resort to the means that require from you zero effort and zero expenses, yet affect both guilty and innocent, and are about as efficient as carpet bombing of Afghanistan aiming to annoy bin Ladin who's been hiding somewhere else.
AoE IP blocking, character creation blocking, what's next?
Anything just to avoid dealing with the bot problem in the proper way.
NCSOFT just did a big favour to RMT's, now that ppl can sell toons to people who want to join this servers.
3 Accounts per IP can solve many problems, if someone need more can contact support team giving the number of persons playing under same ip and somthing like Identity Card to corraborate that numer of players.
Unlimited acc per ip = Bot Partys, Bot crafters, Bot Buffers, Bot CoC Farmers, Bot Personal Assist ( PVP ) and many more things...
Try to clean: Monaster of Silence, Stakato Nest, Dragon Valley, Antharas Lair, Silent Valley, Giants Cave, Crypts of Disgrace, Hellbound, Tower of infinity, Tullys Workshop, Gillotine Fortress, Orbis, Harnak, Hellfire ...
On every server, 24/7, with no months of investigation, that can help to give slots to real players and maybe to new gamers to try this game, otherwise bots will live here in that game givin it a fame of automated game.
We monitor new account creations everyday. I understand the frustration of now being able to create new characters on Chronos/Naia, but please understand that this is just a temporary solution for now.
Turning off character creation for Chronos and Naia was only part of the other changes that were made during today's maintenance.
Another solution would be to only allow an account created before GoD to still create new characters. Then you will not be punishing older genuine players and likely very few botters still have access to that old of accounts, or enough of them to be a problem.
Or, allow character creation on accounts that have at least one 85+ or 90+ level toon.
Or, and I'll keep adding this because I think it's valid, institute a $5 or $10 new account creation fee.
I believe there are more efficient ways to go about solving the problem that do not inconvenience older / legit players.
why on earth do you keep on disappointing real players?
i have been playing this game since 2005, paying on old bartz server, even at times that i was taking a break. now game is truelly free, and has this 'game mechanic' where one can level a toon and get some shots (that have NO weight) for free. i was making a toon now and then depending on when i needed shots. this toon was online instead of my main, and this does NOT reduce my time in game since it was my main or my low shot maker toon online.but still ok, if you think thats better, and you like it like that then i must accept it ....BUT can you please make all shots , nomatter where they come from with no weight???
Recently we got access to that translated patch notes that say that in the new chapter of game, one can become a mentee without the mentee certificate so if we want to get some free shots we will have to level a toon up to lvl 85!!!! Can you please post the patchnotes from the upcoming chapter, that are official and can help us organize a bit better for the future? does it worth to stay in this game? or do you plan to kick us out slowly slowly?
you decide to block character creation on the 2 big servers a week after the event started! Server is already full of new bots, except from those who bot and wish to play their toons at 99, there are many that just created new bots , for the event and only!
your events are bot friendly! the more one is hunting, the more items one picks, the more bots one runs, the more event items end up to one's main. will you ever make an event where someone that only plays 1 toon can win something good from it? wanna know how many cakes i crafted this week?? NONE!!!! i only picked 2 cremes!!!!!and i do all 95 lvl dailys (boz, stronghold, eg, sos, kartias), which takes a lot of mobs to kill....
will you ever change the mentee contract , so that noone needs to run an alt as mentee in order to have that XP buff up, since mentees only make the contract and disappear?
will you ever log in game and see the real situation?Bots everywhere, adena sellers in each town , in party matching ...some even ask you in the hunting areas!!!
do you even like your work in this game? do you want to support our small society? or just want to see your name in the forums where you ignore the facts and only respond to what you believe is good for your career? i must admit , that you have the worst support team in the best game......you show no respect to real players but instead you keep on acting against us, and keep on supporting the bots....with 10s of blue messages in game , that we must report them if we see them !!!!
blocking chinese ip, and character creation to old players as well is not the solution
LOG IN GAME _ DO YOUR JOB!!!!!
I apologize my meaning was unclear. Earlier in this post you responded to a question regarding the changes that were made to address the server population and lag issues by saying there would be another post with more information later today. I was only interested in knowing what other measures were taken in regards to these issues, not the OE exploit issue.
I don't get this people, I'm not gonna say NC is perfect or anything but you do know that they have been firing recently due to lack of income(yes even with all those cash cows)?
They can't ban bots as fast as people would like because they have to do a lot of checking because if not we wouldn't see people complaining about bots not being banned but about legits being (something private servers can do since they don't give a ****), some programs are nearly non detectable since they pretty much work as if someone was there sitting playing non stop, on the other hand others are so easy they get banned as soon as it starts and not to mention that bots are being made regulary day after day, if that wasn't true you wouldn't have to block the spammers at aden several times in a day or you would see 20+ standing around town, so yeah NC needs to improve but spaming the hell out of these threads about the same old issue wont help.
IMO if they want to fix the bot issue just get the bot programs and do a bit of reverse engineering to find out how to identify those using it, but I'm sure this has been said before and likely that has been done before.
As stated earlier, one step at a time ... and may give clues of discouragement.
Regarding bots, I think the idea magnificent (definitely exhausting their blessed Spirithots and Soulshots) but will only take effect in the long term ...
As stated earlier, one step at a time ... and may give clues of discouragement.
Regarding bots, I think the idea magnificent (definitely exhausting their blessed Spirithots and Soulshots) but will only take effect in the long term ...
Nothing much to add.
Im sorry but bots dont need to run a toon for shots.. Only legit players that want to save money run shot toons.. Bots have a toon in town that crafts, from the crushed gear that they dont sell, or they simply buy form the ah when they need it or private shops and go.. They dont worry about money, cuase they run from 85-99 in immortal gear and free weapons.. bot partys have it made now thanks to ncsoft.. :) Stopping the account creation would have been the way to go.. NO new accounts.. Problem is is that at this moment, NcSoft is punishing legitimate players who work hard to raise clan rep, run their own mentees for coins, do shot toons, etc.. every one looks at the YEAH they are doing something to the bots, but its not just the bots its affects even those of us who are legit and pays ncoin to play.. Stopping character creation was nothing more than a LAZY Inexpensive way to put a temporary solution to a problem that will become another issue in the future when ban is lifted.
What they should have done was pay a coder to code account creations to do a query on the SLQ database they use to store account and character information, and if logged in account displays 1 or more characters on Chornos or other locked servers, that caracter creation is allowed.. If the result equals a nul report, or a 0 character account for that server, then account creation could not be possible.. Its a simple code and a simple fix that ANY software engineer or developer can create and be efficient, but that requires some actual work and not a lazy quick fix that creates more issues than it eliminates.. Just says that Ncsoft Does not care about the Playerbase and absolutely puts no real thought into the changes they make for the game as a whole. If any of the developers ACTUALLY played daily, they would understand more of what truly needs done.. But sitting in an office spitting paperwads at each other and looking at **** videos they simply do something fast so they can say!! WE are working on it.. Now stop interrupting my play time at the office with real work..
Toons for free shots... I don't think the mentee mentor system was designed for that. There is still the crafting system, i understand that players are not happy with that but don't you think that it was an "exploit" ? This system was created to help new players to start on the server.
I agree with the fact that blocking character creation is boring (No more new players on Naia, it will be harder to raise clan rep through the academy system, no way to reroll ...). However, like they said it's a temporary solution. Their aim is to decrease the server population (less RMT bot spammers to put in ignore list \o/).
I'm curious about how they will manage the temporary thing. When they will open the character creation again (if they do so) they will have a huge amount of new accounts and chars (RMT spamming bots that will want to avoid a situation like this one).
One of the solution could be to make character creation on naia and chronos by buying a character (trough a L2 Store system). Another thing that could help to reduce the server population could be to make the mentee buff system available even if the mentor or the mentees are offline (or remove it).
I apologize my meaning was unclear. Earlier in this post you responded to a question regarding the changes that were made to address the server population and lag issues by saying there would be another post with more information later today. I was only interested in knowing what other measures were taken in regards to these issues, not the OE exploit issue.
I also think that isnt the solution to disable player creation for every account. You can set a date about accounts, so if the account is too old the option for new character have to be able but disabled only for accounts that created after the date you have set.
Or you can disable the log in in Naia for new accounts, if that is posssible.
Personally if i see that my account isnt that old i will change server although i have been playin' so much here.
well.....i now know where this action refers to: all those unsold 99 lvl bots , will be asked again. WTB tank in chronos, WTB sumoner in Naia and so on! LOL
It is so annoying sometimes what you players make here.
The character creation block is kinda of device at another MMO companies too, when their servers are full or close to full.
Right now if the NCwest ban the bots too, a part of them will return on the next days and start leveling new toons.
Now they won't be able to return for free.
Also they told this action just will be active temporarily and not permanently.
Finally they made some steps, that the server won't be full and be less lag.
But some random guy start scream, that "omg how can we leveling up mentee for the soulshot?".
PLEASE!!!! Go to market, auction house and buy or craft soulshot.
The way how you get free soulshot from mentees even not a bug, but it isn't a game content.
Well, blocking the creation of characters is just stupid.
I honestly dont see why it would help, like at all.
Like you said, "Right now if the NCwest ban the bots too, a part of them will return on the next days and start leveling new toons."
What do you think will happen in one week, or two weeks when they will activate it again?
Let me tell you, the same players will make new characters and bot them, and NC is back to square one.
Simple as that.
Do you really think this is a fair solution?
Think of all the new people, they wont be able to create characters, for what? 1 week of no lags?
* I would also like to know WHY and HOW the servers would lag less with this solution, i mean, its not like they will ban 1000 accounts in a week (or however long this lasts), so servers will still be full like they are now, and therefore, the lag will remain.
I do agree however, people complaining about "mentor shots" can piss off from this thread.
- Lay off the genius with the idea of temporarily disable account creation in Naia and Chronos.
- The employes and manager of NCSoft should read their own EULA.
- Put some people to act has live gms in the servers to enforce the EULA.
Hi NCsoft... thank you for disabled acc creation..
just a one question:
what about Blessed Spirit shots R grade for mage and healers?
they cost too much... maybe you give some compensation?
Technically, your compensation is all the shots you've already consumed by taking advantage of an "oversight" that isn't intended to begin with. GL cheapskate ;)
The amount of Accounts on the server is the problem, Not whether or not an account holder can create a new toon or not.
A current account holder can only play one character from the account at a time, He cant be simultaneously logged in to multiple characters from the same account. So Stopping the Character Creation process is not the way to go..
Those of us who are or were already a account holder on this server should not be restricted to what our accounts can do. We are playing, and most of us are paying customer base. Your not showing gratitude for our business by closing the character creation process. ITs a slap in the face.
People get bored with one toon and create a new one for a different experience.
People create other classes to explore and learn their game mechanics to more effectively combat classes in pvp.
People Create other characters to give support to other clan members, in form of Characters for leveling parties, Mentee Coins, etc.
People Create other characters to level up through a clan academy to generate CRP to level a clan..
Want a Population fix to your Server issue.... Here are a Few Legitimate Suggestions.
A GM actually sits in each town for 30 minutes and Bans all the toons that PM him/her for RMT services
A GM logs in and listens to their player base and VISIBLY inspects player reported bot parties. COME on U can not tell me that watching a party for 10 minutes U cant tell if someone is botting or not.. If you cant.. Then buy a new deck of cards so you got a full deck!!
Set up Sting Operations where GM's Go to Adena sites and purchase Gold and catch the people who come to deliver, and BAM ban the account.
IF the shot toon process is actually an exploit of the game, ( which i find hard to believe) then Its a easy fix to stop it in the game code, And it would be easy to do, if you can keep quests from showing up to characters who have completed them, then you can make the Mentee Certificate a one time use Period... So by not doing so your either Condoning it, Or its ( in the words of our Fearless Management ) "WORKING AS INTENDED" !!! so fix it if it is broken
Remove any account that has not been on line for more than two years.. True Inactive Accounts.. Save all the data, and if the person does eventually come back.. And questions the where abouts of his account.. Then MANUALY add it back to the SLQ Database..
Accounts that has had 0 experience gained on an account for more than 5 months, Then deactivate the account and make somenoe ask for it back and question them about the toons reason for existence.
The problem is that the "program users" are a big client base and a big source of income for Ncsoft. The reason Players of the weapon expolit was not banned is cause they have a extensive transaction history with Ncsoft coin, So Ncsoft does not want to Sever its tie with a fluid income.
For a long time, there has been a bot problem, In Korea, they gave up, and allowed bots to be part of the server.... NCSoft West has virtually done the same thing. They are tired of fighting it and no real reason too esp if the bots are spending money for Ncoin.. Instead they do minor little things like, Country IP bans, for a show.. WHOOPS PROXY login since im in China.. No biggy.. Or BAN HAMMER!!! Multiple accounts get banned, but its only 1 or 2 accounts per train, so No biggie for the Bot owner.. He probably has 2-3 replacements and if not.. its 7 days 1-86 for a botter.. shorter if they play the toon 24/7.. SO they are not DOING anything to control the bot population.. they are just doing something so it LOOKS like they are attempting to do something.. You cant tell me that if they were worried about it, The Development Team would not DL the Bot program, Figure out how it works.. ANd develop a block or detection process.. DUH!!! Dont tell me that 1,000's of people can find a link to known programs.. But the GM's and Dev team can not find any data on them.. LMAO!!
Bottom Line the game is no longer a player game based on skill. It has become a game of "pay to win" and "pay to win and be good at bot script" Skilled players are an almost extinct breed... NCSoft has lost track of its Value on game play and placed a sole attention on its Bottom Line.. If you spend tons of money with us.. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!.. Sigh..
I enjoyed this post and for the most part agree with it. Sadly though, I will not hold my breath assuming NC will put any effort into what anyone including this poster can see as obvious solutions. It's way cheaper and easier to sit back and do nothing. I personally don't care about the character creation thing, as my gameplay has been declining recently due to boredom anyways. I have a handfull of toons at various lvls on a few accounts, and honestly that's more than enough for me.
block character creation for new accounts, and not for old accounts. i cant play more than 1 toon from account, so i dont affect server traffic, no matter if i play main, or any other toon from my account. At this moment we can make free shots by making a toon to level 40, good or bad, following the 'scenario' or not, we could do that. some say that mentee certificate was not made for that. but was Oly or CoC made for feeds? No! people find a way to win from developers' mistakes. they blocked the chinese IP , did you see any difference on adena sellers or bots? well in chronos, i didnt. they now block character creation... lets see if it works. but as i said before i believe we will still see 'SGDOHE' toons in game, but this time level 99 , because topped bots are already there, they will just bot subs. no change! the chareacter creation block is not made for that reason, but still i believe, only thos who sell characters will win out of it, and noone else! simple things are always more effective than complicated mess around acts!
LOG IN GAME AND SEE WHATS GOING ON !!!!!
P.S and yes, with my so far experience of the game progress, i bet they will put weight on the Event shots from mentee scrolls. just because players like that, when bots play without shots.
every act i see from ncsoft is against real players and helpful to bot. I SO MUCH WANT A NEW GAME TO COME OUT, THAT CAN KEEP ME OUT OF L2
are you kidding this is a half ***** attempt at doing nothing but screwing over the current population.
ACCOUNT creation is where you should start there and there alone you kill 2 birds with one stone. 1. no new characters can be created. 2.If you do ban a bot or an illegal( insert enormous loud laughter here) they can then NOT create a new character OR account. BUT that would require you to actually log into the game. You log in to do tests on your precious lab try looking for bots as you run to locations.
and your last statement stated you ban bots and RMT everyday. you lie. ban the ones that spend money if you want to say your doing something about it.Ban the ones in orbis and EG those ones end up in the top pvp clans and spend NC coin prove you still have the stones to care.
Stoping character creation GREATLY hurts the clans for clan rep. as one post put we are losing at LEAST 20k clan rep per week thats at minimum.
Sure there are other ways of getting rep,like farming the rep bosses (along with 40 other peeps for one boss yea right)
getting hero gets ya clan rep too ( YEA RIGHT you JUJI have eliminated that right from every average clan by LETTING the large clans get op gear and weapons with you dumb nc coin promotions and allowing them to run NUMEROUS bot parties for adena.
SO STOP LYING to us STOP new account creation and ban the high end bots ( not your precious lvl 5 rmt bot).
one post said you cant stop character creation thats closing a door to a customer. this is for that person if a bus states occupancy is 50 people and 50 people get on the bus is not the 51st person told he cant ride YES. because it makes it a hazard. same philosophy here there is a hazard with the servers being full/laggy so they have every right to turn a customer away they already have basically with shutting off server transfers to chronos/naia.
lastly to all the QQers about the mentee cert/diplomas you say its an exploit NC soft even states its a bug an exploit is something that SHOULD NOT BE DONE and you have been warned by ncsoft to not do it. the mentee/diploma is a bug that NC states is a bug and they will NOT punish anyone for doing it and it will be fixed sooner or later. so therefore if you are to lazy to make yourself FREE shots until they stop it and just keep buying them, then come to my town i got something to sell ya that you couldda otherwise get for free.
Im kinda confused by this action, instead of stopping growth in the game maybe it'd be better for you to look at other games and how they deal with Server issues.
You have an AH system , FORCE people to use it, almost all other MMO's have an AFK timer, once your afk for so long it DC's you from the game, introducing this will easily take care of the problem , as YES we all know there are a TON of bots, but there are also about 800-1000 toons standing in towns.
Of course AH would have to be changed to be a Buy/Sell and you would have to change Mentee buffs to be available offline But at least you would have no lag/login issues and not stop the possible Growth on servers which means more Money for you :D
block character creation for new accounts, and not for old accounts. i cant play more than 1 toon from account, so i dont affect server traffic, no matter if i play main, or any other toon from my account.
+1 to that
Isn't it obvious? Or there's just no way to block creation only for the first character on account on a specific server?
But some random guy start scream, that "omg how can we leveling up mentee for the soulshot?".
PLEASE!!!! Go to market, auction house and buy or craft soulshot.
The way how you get free soulshot from mentees even not a bug, but it isn't a game content.
Hey genius, do tell us how players are supposed to buy shots when it takes 10k worth of shots to kill a mob that drops 1-2k adena???
Wrong game design --> people are forced to find workarounds.
Should adena drops at 85+ have been balanced, players would not need to do that.
And who gave you the idea that the so-called "mentee shots" are free? They are not. It takes 3 hours to obtain them. If you can make 100 million within 3 hours by playing your main, ok more power to you. But other players will have to do it the other way, which is perfectly legit.
Hey genius, do tell us how players are supposed to buy shots when it takes 10k worth of shots to kill a mob that drops 1-2k adena???
How about buying the recipes and craft them by yourself?
ppl have adena to buy equipment worth billions and they dont have adena for shots? speechless...
there is a quest in swamp that gives you enough adena in a day that you can buy shots for like a week, its also like 10min long but of course if you bot, you dont know all these.
best thing they ever did in a long time imo. no more new mentees so no more desire to stay logged in 24/7, no more future spams if they ban the current spammers and hopefully bots too, people can sell their shots in ah again and many more...
gonna take sme time till will see the effect but its a start
Serious question. Now that character creation is suspended, is name change service suspended, too? oh, and in case someone decides to flag this as a derailment or whatever........ Name Change service requires a level 1 toon with the name that you want. If you can't create a level 1 toon, you can't change the name. oooh wait, I seen what you did there....... Botters can't change the names of the botted up toons.
Serious question. Now that character creation is suspended, is name change service suspended, too? oh, and in case someone decides to flag this as a derailment or whatever........ Name Change service requires a level 1 toon with the name that you want. If you can't create a level 1 toon, you can't change the name. oooh wait, I seen what you did there....... Botters can't change the names of the botted up toons.
you do know there is a place on the website that keeps all the info about name changes do you?
Indeed there is. However, the new name "iDestroyx" would be less suspicious than "klhksdioewrsdf". I really need to stop watching crime dramas. lol
Disclaimer: I and my imaginary friend are not accusing "iDestroyx" of any wrong doing against the EULA, if he/she/it exists in the server. I just came up with the name using the common naming conventions of gamers.
There are YEARS without any action against those who use illegal software, are protected. Our action is only to download soul forum. Our opinions have never mattered for the team NCfail.
I am supporting this server for few months by buying NC coins. I like this server very much, but in last weeks I am shocked how things works on Naia. If I would start from beggining, if I would like to start playing new char even on lower locations( i.e. Cruma) are full parties of bots and you have to kill them to be able to lvl up your toon on such spot. Now I can continue with next locations...TOI, Sillent Valley, Dragon Valley, Imperial Tomb, Bloody Swampland, Fairy Settlement, GF, Hellfire, Orbis and so on. To make it simple bots are everywhere. I simply can't understand, why instead of banning them(and I believe it is not so difficult), you are disabling char creation. As it was mentioned before, where is problem of making new char on same account? There is no problem and for sure new char on same account will not produce more lags on server, since you have logged just one toon from account. To be honest start taking care about bots, because this is the REAL problem of your servers.
One more comment about last event. I thought it should be Vallentine event for all ppl on server, but as I see it was event just for "donators".
And last comment, start banning ppl who are using programs in pvps, sieges and so on. Because this is next "game killer".
I would be glad if you will enable char creation again and start banning all bots(even bots of donators). Then it would be again great game.
For all those people complaining about bots, nothing will change on NCwest servers, they can't handle it for many years. Give up on any hopes that they will all of sudden handle this problem in the future. They will not.
I've tried out Innova's server for few weeks, and i can honestly say that their server is kept clean. So how comes it goes there and doesnt go in here? Simply ... the stuff here doesn't care, they don't want to come with something better then lol gameguard, and put more effort into daily checking of locations. Most of the bots are so obvious that you trully don't need any long investigations to know what they are doing :p And NCstore can be also done w/o the OP items in it, customer care can be also much better then what NCwest is showing here for all the years. Can you imagine NCwest organizing a pvp tourney for their players? On Innova it's happening next month, surely it will be a lot of fun and encouragement for the players to pvp. Love that idea and i'm really sad now that my toon there is too low lvl to find a party and participate :) Once my Naia const party breaks, I think im changing server for good. Hopefully my little tank will be a bit bigger lvl by then on Core. :D
For all those people complaining about bots, nothing will change on NCwest servers, they can't handle it for many years. Give up on any hopes that they will all of sudden handle this problem in the future. They will not.
I've tried out Innova's server for few weeks, and i can honestly say that their server is kept clean. So how comes it goes there and doesnt go in here? Simply ... the stuff here doesn't care, they don't want to come with something better then lol gameguard, and put more effort into daily checking of locations. Most of the bots are so obvious that you trully don't need any long investigations to know what they are doing :p And NCstore can be also done w/o the OP items in it, customer care can be also much better then what NCwest is showing here for all the years. Can you imagine NCwest organizing a pvp tourney for their players? On Innova it's happening next month, surely it will be a lot of fun and encouragement for the players to pvp. Love that idea and i'm really sad now that my toon there is too low lvl to find a party and participate :) Once my Naia const party breaks, I think im changing server for good. Hopefully my little tank will be a bit bigger lvl by then on Core. :D
Yet...they did some full group bans since last maintenance.
If they extend those efforts...combined with temporarily disabled new chars will have a result for a period.
After that i dont know. But still is good to give some strikes to the farmers....
Yet...they did some full group bans since last maintenance.
If they extend those efforts...combined with temporarily disabled new chars will have a result for a period.
After that i dont know. But still is good to give some strikes to the farmers....
Smart farmers and bots are already offline since they announced this temporary lock of character creation (the ones that want to dodge bans). Anyway the ones that might get banned now will get replaced in no time once they open character creation again. Unless some major change to game protection comes this action will be like a drop of water in the ocean ... same meaningless.
Smart farmers and bots are already offline since they announced this temporary lock of character creation (the ones that want to dodge bans). Anyway the ones that might get banned now will get replaced in no time once they open character creation again. Unless some major change to game protection comes this action will be like a drop of water in the ocean ... same meaningless.
No matter what...they should increase server capacity anyways.
Bots is not the main problem of server problems. We have a ******** of waste of pixels sitting in giran and aden.
These servers are carrying the weight of a large amount of veteran characters. It's nice to see a bit of cleanup.
Although this is a temporary fix, I can see how the bot RMT'ers are being affected. Adena prices are starting to go up now that the servers are on this alert phase.
Still like those others mentioned before I think it would be nice for NCWest to ask NCKorea for permission of a new implementation of a better system than GameGuard. Also larger servers to accomodate more characters would be great. NCWest doesn't have to be an Innova, but basic improvements would be much appreciated.
there is no way any server in the world with this graphics and stypid aoe exp to hold more than 6k ppl probably fake.
l2 is an open pvp game that means y can pvp anywhere all other games are arena pvp games thats way is the BEST.
So how, on private servers like rpg-club, there are ~8k ppl online and there is no lags and everything seems to be working well?
Because private servers have a different coding.
Do you have an ETA on when character creation will be allowed again ?
There is no ETA yet.
Still like those others mentioned before I think it would be nice for NCWest to ask NCKorea for permission of a new implementation of a better system than GameGuard. Also larger servers to accomodate more characters would be great. NCWest doesn't have to be an Innova, but basic improvements would be much appreciated.
NCKorea also uses GameGuard and they too have similar problems. We are looking at some new solutions though to combat illegal third party users.
No matter what...they should increase server capacity anyways.
The server capacity on Chronos and Naia is was extremely high for a Lineage II server. The servers will become extremely unstable if the capacity is over 6,500. There may be some private servers out there that can hold more, but they are using older clients.
NCKorea also has similar problems on their servers and they still use GameGuard too. We are looking at some new solutions though to combat illegal third party users.
NCkorea dont have the same amount of bots in their server, an gg is ok for them.
How many years looking for that solution, and still nothing? thera are a lot of antibots out there better than that *** gameguard, I think is prety hard for the GMs to catch a bot.
The server capacity on Chronos and Naia is was extremely high for a Lineage II server. The servers will become extremely unstable if the capacity is over 6,500. There may be some private servers out there that can hold more, but they are using older clients.
maybe by improving hardware and software, newer updates need better hardware.
Surprising. Why couldnt you just stop accounts from creating first characters? Meaning no new accounts would be able to create a character? Instead you screw over people that just want to make a new character whether it be for clan rep, mentee coins, or like me, to create a new main character?
most of the spots are full of bots who have they banned lol.
every hunting ground is full of bots 70+
adena spamers still spaming
only thing this did was stop ppl from making accadamy toons and toons for ss
if you have a toon over 85 on your account you should be free to make toons all you want not like they can be logged in at same time as main
NCkorea dont have the same amount of bots in their server, an gg is ok for them.
How many years looking for that solution, and still nothing? thera are a lot of antibots out there better than that *** gameguard, I think is prety hard for the GMs to catch a bot.
maybe by improving hardware and software, newer updates need better hardware.
You haven't right.
Since the Korean Lineage 2 is free from 1 to 85 a lots of farmer bot appeared on their servers might be they are Chinese or maybe Russian bots.
So, maybe this will give motivation not only to NCwest but to NCKorea too, that replace the GameGuard to any another much better anti cheater program.
Yes maybe the easiest way would be if the NCwest and NCKorea would both start to use the Frost.
As Lucozade1 told, the servers are again playable the amount of lag is much lower as before or no lag, while you can login at prime time too without waiting.
But as iLucie told, even if the NCwest will ban most of those bots who are on the Naia and Chronos while the character creation block goes, the illegal users and farmer companies will try to replace them as soon as the character creation will available again.
I hope, that the NCwest will keep the Character Creation Block at least until the summer.
Might be a lots of old players will return when the 34 classes in April will return and will arrive new players too.
So the old players can extend the population of Naia and Chronos, while the new players can take some fresh blood to the Magmeld, Shilen and Bartz servers.
I hope, that the NCwest will keep the Character Creation Block at least until the summer.
That is a horrible idea, no one would be able to get more mentor coins, no characters to put through academies, hell, returning players wouldn't even be able to make a lvl 40 char just so their main can get the mentee cert so they can become a mentee.
no one would be able to get more mentor coins, no characters to put through academies, hell, returning players wouldn't even be able to make a lvl 40 char just so their main can get the mentee cert so they can become a mentee.
That is a horrible idea, no one would be able to get more mentor coins, no characters to put through academies, hell, returning players wouldn't even be able to make a lvl 40 char just so their main can get the mentee cert so they can become a mentee.
+1 all toons pre god should get free mentee cert or be able to get it in path to awaken at least
there has got to be a better way to go about this, blocking character creation isnt going to lighten the server load, the same # of accounts can still be logged. banning bots sure... There has to be an alternative to what is being done, even if it's to restrict creation of characters on NEW accounts but not on existing accounts so as not to punish those who play your servers.
how about temporarily disable PK status and xp deduction/death penalties at bot spots/grinding maps for medium levels (just examle) to let us players kill those trains and solve the issue about the bots .. or get some event (pk/war event or something) i think some players would be happy cleaning our own server..
adv. = clean bots, smooth playing, floods of bloods (for some :D)
dis-adv. = some dont want all out war.. ex. lowbies like me..
just a wild idea.but you can consider it... I expect ******s .. let see who are they.. and if you know what i mean "scare to die?" haha.. roar!!
i love pvp watching pvpies ( im lowbie atm. but dont care always lying on the ground just to watch super mass pvp.. ) some clan wars and killing bots .. haha.. crazy idea w/ some point of sense
That is a horrible idea, no one would be able to get more mentor coins, no characters to put through academies, hell, returning players wouldn't even be able to make a lvl 40 char just so their main can get the mentee cert so they can become a mentee.
actually, when the new update comes, every player under 85 can become a mentee, no more certificates
actually, when the new update comes, every player under 85 can become a mentee, no more certificates
Doesnt make it any less of a terrible idea. Yea sure you wont need them with the new update however, until then, returning people get screwed over.
Actually, the best thing they could do, is make it so accounts with existing character can still make new characters, but only 1 a month or bi weekly. Deters bots and people getting mentee certs just for ss. And make it so if you dont already have a character, you cant make a new char on the servers. At least until the next update comes out.
I think you can only make a Korean account if you have a Korean ID or PC Cafe membership. It's like one account per person, or something of the sort. Online gaming is more easily controlled due to the fairly small size of the country.
NCWest is a tricky bit to deal with since its different country with different demographics. I wouldn't be complaining. A large scale company like NCWest has so many different mechanisms running behind it. Simple solutions you guys think about may be very difficult for NC unless you've worked there. I'd leave it.
Also I like freebies. I'd like to save adena for items like armor or elements tyvm.
I realy dont think creation of new acconts is causing lagg..
I think the following is cauzing way more lagg.
There are way to manny shops in town..
Cant the option to SELL ( jst sell option) be taken away, we now have a auction house to put your sells in..
Sell shops gone = less lagg, empty towns.
Sell shops gone= people with more then 1 account, 1 to play , 1 to sell. will logg 1 less account!
And then ofcourse the Bots. There are more bots then players now days, and the discussion if the bots r lineage2 employe is up again...
Time to bann some bots woud be nice, we need hunt space + region drops... <(^_^)>
( account creation stop fails, i have 2 friends in real life wanting to start on same server as me, and cant create a char now.. Goodjobb there)
This is good. Just leave Private Manufacturing and Buy Shops up.
Last part...you must be a t@rd for choosing the servers that all the old servers merged into. My suggestion is the start up on a new server if your character isn't that high, if not your friends will have to wait.
im sure a lot of people have heard abour **** server romanian one they implemented GOD cronicle there
all injection programs are detected there so boting is 98% imposible there
also you get a hardware ban if you try and fail to login with bot program
naia server is 50% boots thats the problem not account creation
why NCWEST DONT put something like 3 account per ip limit? and why dont implement other protection like l2DEX has
sorry for my english
my opinion is that curent status of retail si that is worst then privates servers
i loved **** i played there over 2yrs best private server ever,as y i thought that was no boting,until a friend of mine told me that he was botting there not professional but botting regular there is no server,mmo games,that ppl cant use illegal programs even mousepad can use autoattack.
so better think about dex,i prefer official big community,big drama server that can hold 6k ppl a private server cant, and glory days cronicle soon lindvior.
im sure a lot of people have heard abour l2DEX server romanian one they implemented GOD cronicle there
all injection programs are detected there so boting is 98% imposible there
also you get a hardware ban if you try and fail to login with bot program
naia server is 50% boots thats the problem not account creation
why NCWEST DONT put something like 3 account per ip limit? and why dont implement other protection like l2DEX has
sorry for my english
my opinion is that curent status of retail si that is worst then privates servers
sorry for my english
There is 1 bigg problem with your 3 accounts per ip ..
If a dad, mom and 2 kds play, 1 can not play.....
Kick the sell shops, and kick the bots best idea so far!:o
( and kick the dead laying arround on the floor longer then 10 min from the server)
( and kick the dead laying arround on the floor longer then 10 min from the server)
sure, but don't kick my sell shop, it's how I sell sets of armor, which would be a mess in AH
you guys do realize that with the amount of bots on server, banning every day may not seem like it's making a dif. but at least they are doing it.
anyway I met the nicest bots today !
ot I hope this temp ban ends with the event and does not go longer
worst thing is that it also prevents actual new players from starting to play
need moar meat for the meat grinder gogo
ot I hope this temp ban ends with the event and does not go longer
That's all I'm hoping the time frame of this is too, I really want to make my new main char but this **** thing is stopping me
They really need to turn this back on its a bunch of crap, I've only been playing for a few months got my ISS done and im ready to start my main toon .... but nooooooo way to mess up the game play for ppl who follow the rules
Why do people always make an Iss first before working on their main...Mentor buffs are more than enough...
Mentor buffs are great but in order to keep a constant harmony applied an ISS is the best choice, Mentors are good about staying online afk but not always available, thats why I did it this way :D
They really need to turn this back on its a bunch of crap, I've only been playing for a few months got my ISS done and im ready to start my main toon .... but nooooooo way to mess up the game play for ppl who follow the rules
Continue leveling your iss, at least at 95 to get buff lvl 3
Not really, as long as NC has its older players payin, then they could care less ^.^
"While there is a lot of old players we do not care for the new"? :D
that's actually a good question, i have a box id like to change the gender and name on cause im kinda vain with the toons i play actively. Aren't you loosing money on these account services?
It's called auction house and can't be implemented in the form you're thinking of.
It can. Private servers got offline shop mode. Server logs your shop info and makes a ghost of you in town while you're able to log off. When you log back in, you're in shop mode and the items sold are gone from inventory and you've gained adena.
A way better way to handle in-game trading, releaving stress from server, and more profit from sales due not having AH prices.
(I would happily take an infraction for stating this, but sadly this is the truth.)
It can. Private servers got offline shop mode. Server logs your shop info and makes a ghost of you in town while you're able to log off. When you log back in, you're in shop mode and the items sold are gone from inventory and you've gained adena.
A way better way to handle in-game trading, releaving stress from server, and more profit from sales due not having AH prices.
(I would happily take an infraction for stating this, but sadly this is the truth.)
What Tiferet meant was offline shop mode is not implemented in the official servers. A ghost of any toon still occupies a space on the server, even a minute one. If it doesn't occupy a space, you couldn't interact with it. If this mode was turned on, I can imagine people starting to complain about how towns are laggy because everyone who has an account (and I know everyone has more than one account) leaves one open.
- Lagged;
- can't enter on first trys, all slots filled;
-heavy on cheaters, don't tell me u wanna come to naia to be competitive, that means u wanna be a cheater;
- never have the upper hand at anything;
-join an unbalanced pvp war full of **** lickers.
What Tiferet meant was offline shop mode is not implemented in the official servers. A ghost of any toon still occupies a space on the server, even a minute one. If it doesn't occupy a space, you couldn't interact with it. If this mode was turned on, I can imagine people starting to complain about how towns are laggy because everyone who has an account (and I know everyone has more than one account) leaves one open.
^ This.
By this point I would just be happy if they allowed character creation for 1 day, at least let us know they are stopping it instead of what they really did and just close creation without telling us before hand.
GMs, disabling character creation wont solve the problem. Only make it worse for players on server. There is no mentees, no low lvl players to kill RBs, players that started ISS/Aore Healer and wanted to continue with making new character can`t do it now... This sux and that it is happening on official... Better to concentrate more on hunting bots and clean server that way. :cool:
- Lagged;
- can't enter on first trys, all slots filled;
-heavy on cheaters, don't tell me u wanna come to naia to be competitive, that means u wanna be a cheater;
- never have the upper hand at anything;
-join an unbalanced pvp war full of **** lickers.
Go to other server jesus!
because:
-time zone is good for them.
-server where you can find/make party in 10min.
-not so hard to get items. (i talk about R gr and higher, just need some brains how to make money)
-when there is lag - all get lag spikes. and battleping, wtfast and other crap not help.
and now some flame for server hoppers.
bad that PTS now is just in our memories. That server would be perfect for some people who want stable server with regulary wipe service :D
GMs, disabling character creation wont solve the problem. Only make it worse for players on server. There is no mentees, no low lvl players to kill RBs, players that started ISS/Aore Healer and wanted to continue with making new character can`t do it now... This sux and that it is happening on official... Better to concentrate more on hunting bots and clean server that way. :cool:
With respect AngelOfFlame
It is one of the best thing what could happen, that the NCwest disabled the character creation.
Server is over crowded, with and without bots too.
Keep in mind, that soon coming the long waited Lindvior update, what might be call back to the game thousands or ten thousands of players who used to play years ago on the Naia or before it on the Teon, Franz or Luna.
Anyway the GMs did ban a lots of bot, As I see, you are a newbie, but I'm an old player day by day I see, that through this action a part of bots got ban while a part of them did afraid from the ban hammer and stopped the endless farm.
Also if the GMs block the character creations, won't appear newer and newer bots, so they can concentrate much easier to the existing bots.
But i made ISS so i would be able to lvl up my main quickly. And now i have ISS and don`t have main... And what about new players that want to play on Naia, cuz it is gmt+1... Don`t be egoistic and don`t only think about "old players" and pushed us ("newbies" as you called us") aside... Just saying... My friends wants to play L2 too, but they can`t cuz they can`t create character. And i belive that a lot of ppl have the same problem...
Go to other server, im astonished you start on Naia with the current situation, u'd need to be pretty masochist to start here new with all issues going on. Starting on overpopulated server is not what i'd call "smart".
WE ARE FULL.
because:
-time zone is good for them.
-server where you can find/make party in 10min.
-not so hard to get items. (i talk about R gr and higher, just need some brains how to make money)
-when there is lag - all get lag spikes. and battleping, wtfast and other crap not help.
and now some flame for server hoppers.
bad that PTS now is just in our memories. That server would be perfect for some people who want stable server with regulary wipe service :D
Well, easy solution for that, go to euro servers Innova, less lag cause they are geographically situated on Europe, and time zone is good and server is over an year old..solved. And nobody come me the low pop crap, i play there from time to time and in no way is low populated, plus if every1 thot like that, nobody would play to begin with.
And why there is no info about when character creation will be enabled.
Or have_no_information is the reality of the official server and I have to get used to them?
It is one of the best thing what could happen, that the NCwest disabled the character creation.
Server is over crowded, with and without bots too.
Keep in mind, that soon coming the long waited Lindvior update, what might be call back to the game thousands or ten thousands of players who used to play years ago on the Naia or before it on the Teon, Franz or Luna.
Anyway the GMs did ban a lots of bot, As I see, you are a newbie, but I'm an old player day by day I see, that through this action a part of bots got ban while a part of them did afraid from the ban hammer and stopped the endless farm.
Also if the GMs block the character creations, won't appear newer and newer bots, so they can concentrate much easier to the existing bots.
No offence but you are in SilentHorrors, one of the worst botinfested clans on Naia.
Not to mention the heavy usage of the infamous 3rd pt program wich makes a party synced beyond imagination.
I wish, i wish of all my heart that SH/DH/LoD/SL(dunno if that clan is totally dead now) get a nasty bite of the banhammer. Especially SH since that clan is mostly responsible for screwing the game over with its "cheats" and exploits
wait?
so you created an Iss with the intention of helping your main.
but you never created the main?
you'd think you would like to level them both up or at least level the main to 85 so you could get mentee bonus from your iss leveling up.
just seems silly to me to not at least create a character, even if you left it at 1... just at least so you had a name saved.
Well actually my friend was my mentor, so i didn`t have to have me for mentoring myself. An i didn`t tmake character cuz my name was already taken and i wasn`t expecting that they will disable character creation... So what if it says "Due to many ppl on server you can`t log in...." Try few times and everyone can log in. Maybe GMs could open caracter creation every 3 days for idk 1h or 2h just that new ppl that really want to play and ppl like me can make new character... :cool:
No offence but you are in SilentHorrors, one of the worst botinfested clans on Naia.
Not to mention the heavy usage of the infamous 3rd pt program wich makes a party synced beyond imagination.
I wish, i wish of all my heart that SH/DH/LoD/SL(dunno if that clan is totally dead now) get a nasty bite of the banhammer. Especially SH since that clan is mostly responsible for screwing the game over with its "cheats" and exploits
So since this thread was made for this sole discussion, I assume the dev's look at it. On that note, what is the course of action you guys plan to take in order to make it so that the server doesn't reach maximum capacity any more? Also if it is because of bots, why do you feel the need to punish everyone for something GMs should have controlled? If it isn't because of bots, I am sorry but they are what is really taking up server capacity. I just think you guys owe everyone a course of action plan instead of keeping us all in the dark about it. And maybe tell your support this too so that they can actually support instead of referring people to the forums to ask you devs for the answers.
For all those people complaining about bots, nothing will change on NCwest servers, they can't handle it for many years. Give up on any hopes that they will all of sudden handle this problem in the future. They will not.
I've tried out Innova's server for few weeks, and i can honestly say that their server is kept clean. So how comes it goes there and doesnt go in here? Simply ... the stuff here doesn't care, they don't want to come with something better then lol gameguard, and put more effort into daily checking of locations. Most of the bots are so obvious that you trully don't need any long investigations to know what they are doing :p And NCstore can be also done w/o the OP items in it, customer care can be also much better then what NCwest is showing here for all the years. Can you imagine NCwest organizing a pvp tourney for their players? On Innova it's happening next month, surely it will be a lot of fun and encouragement for the players to pvp. Love that idea and i'm really sad now that my toon there is too low lvl to find a party and participate :) Once my Naia const party breaks, I think im changing server for good. Hopefully my little tank will be a bit bigger lvl by then on Core. :D
On Innova u need to pay for dualbox/bots daily or monthly basis wich keeps the botters away :) and to be honest i am playing also 3 weeks there and enjoys it.. no bots no lag.
Hello, Well the disable creation not help at all, was not good move, for the reasons many others ppl say before me..At the end if they want fix the traffic problem on server they could update slots in server they take lot of money from the ppl who use L2Shop is no excuse. or even when they ban the bots to ban all..not just few partys and after 1 mounth few more. the night they was doing banhammer they ban few areas. and as example all the Bots on Mahum/Swampland/GC/ etc..was there..same ppl for days..even right now.
On Innova u need to pay for dualbox/bots daily or monthly basis wich keeps the botters away :) and to be honest i am playing also 3 weeks there and enjoys it.. no bots no lag.
Welcome to Lineage 2 game.
Anoter things:
No destruction scrolls
No +16 weapons (no +10 weapons) (no R99 +8 weapons)
So NCSoft are you going to post any more info on this? Most people would explain what is going to happen, but not you guys, you suddenly turn off character creation then don't even tell anyone how you plan to fix the capacity issue. So right now with what information I have, I can only guess that character creation will be turned off forever because your Production Team/Development Team aren't telling us the course of action they are taking apart from no new characters, and your GMs were obviously too incompetent to ban the bots because if they weren't, you wouldn't have a capacity issue.
I have an assumption that they'll turn ON the character creation after nearest restart. I wish to...
I have assumption that its about time that L2 hit Livindor update
no more SSR BSSR in diploma rewards
50% mentor exp buff instead of 200%
5% mentee buff instead of 10%
they turned it off just so they can get ready and test servers
not cause they ban bots or anything even close to that
4 sepulchers are full of 5men parties who enter it even before real human can press the the dialogue
CoC is fully occupied by unknows miracle, 0.000001 second needed to get in, impossible for humans
Sel Mahum's Camp pff lets not go there, all 32 camps are taken by 2-4 robots/pickers
SoA is 24/7 3 men collectors even flaggin on them doest help
Swampland, same as mahums camp especially the most knows part of altar
i wont be surprised if this no creation will be longer then many of us anticipated....
I have assumption that its about time that L2 hit Livindor update
no more SSR BSSR in diploma rewards
50% mentor exp buff instead of 200%
5% mentee buff instead of 10%
they turned it off just so they can get ready and test servers
not cause they ban bots or anything even close to that
4 sepulchers are full of 5men parties who enter it even before real human can press the the dialogue
CoC is fully occupied by unknows miracle, 0.000001 second needed to get in, impossible for humans
Sel Mahum's Camp pff lets not go there, all 32 camps are taken by 2-4 robots/pickers
SoA is 24/7 3 men collectors even flaggin on them doest help
Swampland, same as mahums camp especially the most knows part of altar
i wont be surprised if this no creation will be longer then many of us anticipated....
I actually figured it will be until Lindvior update, I think they are just doing it to prevent people from getting the mentee certs and whatnot, which is complete ******** because they are ******* over a lot of people.
I actually figured it will be until Lindvior update, I think they are just doing it to prevent people from getting the mentee certs and whatnot, which is complete ******** because they are ******* over a lot of people.
On innova you can't claim mente certificates to other char, its bound to ur char since lvl 1, like on Korea(since june 2011). Is that hard for you to adjust like all those players did?
On innova you can't claim mente certificates to other char, its bound to ur char since lvl 1, like on Korea(since june 2011). Is that hard for you to adjust like all those players did?
When did I say I wanted a new char to exploit the mentee certs? I don't give a **** about the mentee certs so dont assume. All I want to do is make my main character. How are they ******* over a lot of people? If people want to come back and play, they cant become mentees because they cant get a character to 40 to get the mentee cert on their high level char, you cant run characters through academies because you cant make new chars, people can't get make alts to get mentee coins, and they are disallowing new people who maybe want to start playing with their friendso n the server but they cant for now. Its not all about mentee certs so quit thinking that just because someone wants a new char means they want to exploit the system
10 pages... this is really not necessary... everyone just relax and get a hug from your Mamma if that helps. This is not the end of the world and a small inconvenience at best. The Character Creation was TEMPORARILY disabled, a decision I'm betting they didn't come to lightly, and if they reinstate this feature there will be a notice... if.
So, we find some of out community crying and throwing virtual tantrums over issue out of their control yet again.
This is just one of thousands of features NCWest gives you to play with in game... so get in game and start playing.
10 pages... this is really not necessary... everyone just relax and get a hug from your Mamma if that helps. This is not the end of the world and a small inconvenience at best. The Character Creation was TEMPORARILY disabled, a decision I'm betting they didn't come to lightly, and if they reinstate this feature there will be a notice... if.
So, we find some of out community crying and throwing virtual tantrums over issue out of their control yet again.
This is just one of thousands of features NCWest gives you to play with in game... so get in game and start playing.
I needed this post. The forums have been horribly boring lately.... Let the flames begin!
You all should be happy about that. Cos at least for now Naia and Chronos getting clean(er).
Some know train owner are already in need to buy accounts to bot for their income. So i hope NCW keeps that for some more time to hammer more of these trains until no free ones are available to buy.
And hell, forget that stupid "truly free" model and ask a 20$ or 50$ Account creation fee which gets converted into NCoins. Cos that's the easiest way to counter a lot of these trains.
you all should be happy about that. Cos at least for now naia and chronos getting clean(er).
Some know train owner are already in need to buy accounts to bot for their income. So i hope ncw keeps that for some more time to hammer more of these trains until no free ones are available to buy.
And hell, forget that stupid "truly free" model and ask a 20$ or 50$ account creation fee which gets converted into ncoins. Cos that's the easiest way to counter a lot of these trains.
premium accounts with double exp and double droprates!
I have written already one post here in this topic and as i said I absolutely dont agree with such solution.
Now I want to make new char, because I am 99 lvl on main and 95 on dual class, but I cant make it.
I would like to support this server as much i can, but what I am getting for my support? Hunting grounds full of bots and disabled char creation?
So tell me dear NC West why I have spended my money for buying NC coins, when you are not able to keep server clean from bots and instead of doing something you rather disable char creation and you hope it will solve something???
Should I expect that you will open char creation in next few days (and I would like to support this server again) or should I rather change server, where GM team take care about their players and also customers???
It would be great to see some reply from GM.
BTW for all those who see some difference, I see nothing...bots are still everywhere.
I have written already one post here in this topic and as i said I absolutely dont agree with such solution.
Now I want to make new char, because I am 99 lvl on main and 95 on dual class, but I cant make it.
I would like to support this server as much i can, but what I am getting for my support? Hunting grounds full of bots and disabled char creation?
So tell me dear NC West why I have spended my money for buying NC coins, when you are not able to keep server clean from bots and instead of doing something you rather disable char creation and you hope it will solve something???
Should I expect that you will open char creation in next few days (and I would like to support this server again) or should I rather change server, where GM team take care about their players and also customers???
It would be great to see some reply from GM.
BTW for all those who see some difference, I see nothing...bots are still everywhere.
Then open your eyes. Go down into the AL or into MOS. Look around some of the most botted areas. They have wiped out alot of accounts for people just being in a party with bots. Tears always tears. We cry they do nothing and we cry when they do something.
If you would like to fight against bots with that, why dont you atleast allow to create new char on existing account?
And no I dont want it because of shots from mentee cert., I just want to start new main char.
Honestly that may take alot of work on their end. It was probably easier just to shut down the whole character creation from a programming outlook. Im sure im gonna get a lot of smart a## comments on this but they may not have that capability to allow character creation to pick and choose accounts that would be allowed to do that. If its a temporary shut down then why create all that extra work.
Honestly that may take alot of work on their end. It was probably easier just to shut down the whole character creation from a programming outlook. Im sure im gonna get a lot of smart a## comments on this but they may not have that capability to allow character creation to pick and choose accounts that would be allowed to do that. If its a temporary shut down then why create all that extra work.
Actually, not trying to be a ******** or anything cause I don't even know if I am right in this but I think all they would have to do is a simple IF statement. Something like
if(characterCount >= 1)
new character
else
no new character
Feel free to correct me if i am wrong, anyone. I do not claim to be an expert on game programming
This is so stupid... I have invited my old friend to play L2 with me again... He created an account, but he cannot join a server I am playing on. OK it's a temporary thing, but WHY he has to "suffer" because of botters/tooners?
Juji, you've told something about Gameguard and the fact that developers meet some problems with making it work propertly... Do you want me to post a link here "HOW TO PLAY WITHOUT GAMEGUARD"? Google it. Gameguard is not a solution, I can bet my whole account that once NC will invent new version/program/any new way it will be cracked in couple of hours (max - couple of days). Try to think different... "If there's no way to control botting by using a program, why not to try control botting by using other players?" Whats the purpose of "report botting" button? I know so many places where FULL BOT PARTIES GRINDING NON-STOP! How can u explain the same name in "MAX UPTIME PER MONTH" and "MAX EXP PER MONTH" in museum? This must be non stop PROBOTTING. There are so many bots on the server that legimate players cannot log in time to time. THIS IS STUPID! U forbid normal players to create new chars while doing nothing with bots who are 24/7-(server downtime). If you do not know the way how to avoid permabotting on your servers, why not to ask players for a solution? at least for an idea how to do it? i am 100% sure that there are a lot of GEEKS between l2 players. WE KNOW A SOLUTION! JUST ASK! All you do is just post "we banned A LOT acc bla-bla-bla" we dont want to se that! we dont want u to disable a character creation on a certain server like a temporary solution for making lagspikes smaller.
JUST GIVE ME GM PRIVILEGES AND I WILL BAN 300 BOTS IN FIRST TWO HOURS. OK, I DONT NEED ADMIN PRIV's, JUST LOIGN INTO GAME AND WHISPER ME... I WILL SPEND 8 HOURs IN A ROW JUST TO SHOW YOU ALL THE PLACES I KNOW WHERE NON STOP BOTTING IS A COMMON THING! WE KNOW ALL THESE PLACES - YOU DONT!
Juji isn't the one to blame. He's doing a lot with the updates, error fixing, and bug splats. The other GM's are rather incompetent in their cleanup, they can't seem to tell apart a real player from a bot.
I dont know where to begin with my first post.
Anyway i login my account and decide that since is saturday i have time to make a new char in the same account for shots...you know the rest no creation...and decided to learn whats going on.I read most of the posts of users and some opinions are good advice some are just flame or a bit stupid advice.
1.Limit per ip: fail solution...all have stores,iss,mentee,maybe 2 or more people playing from one house.this solution will tie many people hands.
2.Toons for shots in my opinion isnt wrong and i explain myself first if it was wrong ncsoft wont let it going on and second i spent 3-4 hours to make a char 40 so i dont exploit something i buy this shots with 3-4 hours of my time not in other players back.(good for my adena pocket and no weight, another good thing with this shots its not only cheaper ;) ).
3.Creation in same account should be available.
4.Creation of new account should be availabe but with restrictions only 1 char per account for new accounts until further notice etc...
5.make me gm and see how many bots i will ban in one day(with another poster who mentioned the same thing :P)
6.Botters will always find another way to bot again or make new bots eventually when this all over..So my solution if is possible i dont know if the server has log files or anything to see who is related with this bots.if this isnt possible just pk their bots and their actual owner will appear to defend and then you can permantly ban him.That simple.
7.i can keep writing many solutions but my post is already big from now on i write a solution at a time.
ps. fix pk penalty and i will go today for hunting bots
my char title said it all: Bot Police
Why do you still cry (most of you) in that thread?
As you have seen the servers aren't Heavy anymore and everytime you are able to Log in without w8ing. Also the bots have been reduced since Character Creation Disabled. So what the !@#$ do you need?
2.Toons for shots in my opinion isnt wrong and i explain myself first if it was wrong ncsoft wont let it going on and second i spent 3-4 hours to make a char 40 so i dont exploit something i buy this shots with 3-4 hours of my time not in other players back.(good for my adena pocket and no weight, another good thing with this shots its not only cheaper ;) ).
Shots are suposed to be a market, a simple market for those who are into crafting or are more casual and can't make much money.
Now put all those possible buyers like you, getting weightless free shots that last a week. Means no market for shots. And resources to make steady money are kinda limited at 85+.
This is simple..it doesn't have to do with your time, it has to do with economy/exchange earnings.
Why do you still cry (most of you) in that thread?
As you have seen the servers aren't Heavy anymore and everytime you are able to Log in without w8ing. Also the bots have been reduced since Character Creation Disabled. So what the !@#$ do you need?
It'd be nice if they allowed accounts with characters already on the server to make characters. Read through the thread, it isn't hard to find out what people want. It would make no difference in the server load if they did that cause either way I have one character from both my accounts logged on all day as I am sure a lot of people do. They would be ******* off a lot less people.
anybody knows how long it will take?
I'd rly like to play, just finished downloading and was happy to play some l2 again, but, oh well, can't create a char ;/
anybody knows how long it will take?
I'd rly like to play, just finished downloading and was happy to play some l2 again, but, oh well, can't create a char ;/
Didn't Chronos/Naia players cry about 2 months ago about not being able to login and that they wanted character creation to be disabled and for bots to clean up?
You got exactly what you asked for, why are you here crying so much?
I actually am on Ncsofts side for once, they did something you cry about it, they do nothing you cry about it.
Let them finish their winter cleaning and then they will re-open character creations, so far Juji from ncsoft has been really good at what he does as far as relaying information between NC and us, infact I'd be sad if he didn't remain a community manager, infact he should be head community manager. He actually looks into stuff, something I never really seen Sace do.
anybody knows how long it will take?
I'd rly like to play, just finished downloading and was happy to play some l2 again, but, oh well, can't create a char ;/
Choose another server.
Shots are suposed to be a market, a simple market for those who are into crafting or are more casual and can't make much money.
Now put all those possible buyers like you, getting weightless free shots that last a week. Means no market for shots. And resources to make steady money are kinda limited at 85+.
This is simple..it doesn't have to do with your time, it has to do with economy/exchange earnings.
All shots from auction house were sold everyday alll this time despite the ''40lvl free shots toons'',i craft-sell shots so i know.Shots price has increased these days because r grade crystals cant be found or their price is high,also shots market is down,since less toons play and people try to avoid the use of shots when they can(example,healer,stopped using shots).Even people that were making free shots were also buying some when they were out of and didnt have time to create and lvl toon to 40.As i said,all people now try to avoid use shots.
Yea, then i wonder how korea or innova or tawain is doing without never having free shots for year and half. On innova, Shot market is profitable. I sell nearly double price that i make if i want. Yea im a dwarf.
And here , everyday i crystalyze r99 parts from +6 attempts, everyday im getting crystals.
Didn't Chronos/Naia players cry about 2 months ago about not being able to login and that they wanted character creation to be disabled and for bots to clean up?
You got exactly what you asked for, why are you here crying so much?
Playing without server lag and be able to login without traffic is how server should be to fuction well on normal situations,not because server's population was cutted down.Server traffic light on playing hours = dead server.
I have seen exactly the same thing happening on Devianne when they did the big banhammer and server went out of shots because among all other accounts they banned also 1 couple of old people that what they were doing in server was to have a big ''family'' of dorfs and craft/sell all grade of shots day-night in all towns.
When you leave a server without watch for bots and after years you come and wipe most of them,what you expect,that active players will come to take the empty places??
Now we have the shots problem from the non creation of toons+bots banned(since botting brings drops you crystalise).
The main toons of all botters-players are ingame,they finished lvling they didnt have any reason to bot with these toons since creating other toons in other accounts and put them to bot was free,so no justice.
Yea, then i wonder how korea or innova or tawain is doing without never having free shots for year and half. On innova, Shot market is profitable. I sell nearly double price that i make if i want. Yea im a dwarf.
And here , everyday i crystalyze r99 parts from +6 attempts, everyday im getting crystals.
You make so much sense as me being santa claus.
Servers with difference in what and how they are providing cant be compared.
Korea/innova/tawain have completly different servers than ours,with different way of paying or not paying to play,different way of providing L2store,different rates,different events and so on,or you didnt know it?
If you think average L2 player in Ncwest servers oe to +6 r99 items and sell the crystals daily,you are santa claus.
everything that ncsoft does is in right direction,the disable char creation in naia for bot ban,i hope even remove the free shots from path.
a good idea will be to pay e.x.15 euros for creat a new toon in naia +ncoins to buy from ncshop to stop the abusers to creat new toons.
some URBAN LEGENDS :
banning ppl will not effect the economy, the drop rate in glory days are insane for a mmo.
bots not speding ncoin in shops.
its not big deal to craft shots i now ppl have billions legal and not crying about it.
emo rage on and bot power users switch on about NCSOFT.
This won't have much effect to be honest. It hurts more innocents than it does the bots.
no it doesn't and if this was aimed at the abuse of the free shots then realize that most of us played this game for years without having such thing and did quite fine.
For the top player bot trains, they'll just turn off the bots until time has passed then start them up again.
For RMT bot trains, they'll save whatever assets they have and be more judicious when botting.
the smart ones maybe ya but as NC wasn't doing anything serious for so long against botting, everyone who knew how to load up automated players was running their own trains aka many many dumb easy to spot trains cause ppl are lazy and want easy money.. this behavior was encouraged by lack of GM action but if NCWest keeps their vigilance up who knows..
For real players (like myself) we're caught in the crossfire and unreasonable bans are being handed out to many legitimate players.
more then 90% of all bans are fair, except those from mid December where things got way out of control, I don't know of any legit player that got bans since then.. I do know that certain ppl were so dumb to get PL by sitting in bot trains and got hammered as well.. they knew the risk so can't cry for those kind of legits being banned.
IMO after this purge, they have to keep a very close watch on bots to keep the numbers low or they'll jump back up again.
That goes without saying, we've seen this cycle of Hammer time many times over the years on the NCWest servers.. the most memorable one was Spam cleaning up servers before he left for Aion (he's in charge of both Aion & L2 GM's now though).
Korea/innova/tawain have completly different servers than ours,with different way of paying or not paying to play,different way of providing L2store,different rates,different events and so on,or you didnt know it?
Atarth you know quite well why this is happening and why NCWest has no choice but to keep it locked for awhile longer, the reasons are very obvious..
Just cause they have been in remiss for so long is no reason to get upset when they finally start doing their job..
Also with Korea working now on creating their own version of Frost maybe soon they will also start actively go after zR users, will you go post here then again saying that's not fair as NCWest servers are different from theirs etc. ?
If anything maybe this game will now eventually go back to how it is supposed to be..
Servers with difference in what and how they are providing cant be compared.
Korea/innova/tawain have completly different servers than ours,with different way of paying or not paying to play,different way of providing L2store,different rates,different events and so on,or you didnt know it?
If you think average L2 player in Ncwest servers oe to +6 r99 items and sell the crystals daily,you are santa claus.
R items compared to our economy are much cheaper here than innova, while their prices are obviously lower, it's harder to get them there than here cause here the adena floating around is x10 more. That means peopel here can afford to OE everything, while there is much more of a gamble cause the average item is low enchanted. Many players on innova make the Luciens altar on aily basis cause the adena is just too low there.
That means any newbie can go aroudn and crystalyze their own stuff for the lolz since stuff here is easier to get, getting easy crystalz, therefore, making easy shots, therefore SELLING THEM.
And you knwo what's better? No more lag, no need proxy on daily basis even when im not PVPing.