NCSoft West.. Please make a C1 server over here with subscription $15 a month. I'm begging you. PLEASE! I want to play it sooooo bad. My friends want to play it soooooo bad! When you ban bots they'll need to buy a cdkey+game again (or at least pay the subscription..)!
Leave the servers up for people who like the game as it is.. perhaps merge bartz+shilen+magmeld and have 1-2 brand spanking new C1 servers open.. PLEASE!
Market it as much as you can.. advertise super hardcore.. let a ton of people know about it before you do it.. you'll reap so much rewards!
YOU HAVE A GREAT GAME! You don't need to make lineage 3/4/5/6.. just keep updating L2 with content.. playable things.. graphics, etc.
I want to be able to make a WS/BH and for them to actually be USEFUL! I want this from c1, that from c1, LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON of what I want from c1!
The feeling will be so nostalgic.. it really would.. please do this for us.. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It'd be so nice knowing no one would be able to transfer their 99 16 ap +16 R99 weapons with full boss jewels blessed over to the new server just to take hero... IT'D BE AWESOME!!!!
The human, dark elf, orc village, light elf, dwarven villages wouldn't be destroyed... omg...? People would think twice about bsoe'n in pvp, because bsoe's cost a lot of adena LOL! OMG.... There wouldn't be a 5 sec UD for EVERYONE.. omg........... omgfjsndjkfnjklsdfnjksf PLEASE MAKE THIS SERVER!!!
Pretty slow on the uptake, aren't we now ? You may want to try out the search function, or I don't know actually browse the three active thread's about NCKorea actually doing exactly this and maybe join the discussion of whether it will or should be brought here there, instead of adding another pointless thread. :o
Unlikely we'll get it. :<. Personally I prefer newer stuff though! Older patches are missing A LOT and often are only remembered as greater than they were.
Fortunately, you will get, hopefully, an improved Old Lineage II again, with this classic server. Hopefully, because it is implemented right now in Korea, and NCWest/Innova are quiet for now
Innova and L2RU have nothing to do with NCsoft, they implement what they want, they pay royalties to NC for their franchises. As long as NC gives them the code they can choose whether to open a server in their area's, we on the other hand are directly under NCsoft's control, and I find it unlikely they will do this service here.
This thread is for people who want a new c1 server, not for those who don't.
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My bad...I missed the part that said "this thread is exclusive to people who want a C1 server". And I looked over my response, and I missed the part that said I didn't want one. Hmm....my bad again. Sorry.
Unlikely we'll get it. :<. Personally I prefer newer stuff though! Older patches are missing A LOT and often are only remembered as greater than they were.
I agree, I do want a new server, PtP without NCstore. Bring back the normal-mob/boss drop rate and old fashion grind but with the cronicle we have now.
I would also like the local hunting ground teleports to be removed... but still.. ppl would run their bot trains and programs so it would kill the fun anyway, right DD?
In order to improve the quality of the discussion it would be good if some moderator merged the various threads about Classic and Heritage servers and stickied that meta-thread here in the General Discussion section, like the vanished Bot Thread.
Laby has explained this before, but since we apparently still have people talking about different things with the same words, let me try to clarify this again:
What Wizard and n00dles want is a Heritage Server with the real old Chronicles.
What is running in Korea right now is a Classic Server. Like Tiferet said, this is basically the Ertheia update, with Ertheia drop rates, User Interface etc., but with the old hunting grounds and quests, and with certain in-built limits like the level cap being set at 75, nothing beyond B-Grade equipment available, no Blessed Enchantment Scrolls ...
When the first requests for Heritage Servers popped up before the GoD update, the Community Manager at the time explained that maintaining two different versions of the game would not be economically viable. This is still true. The developers have sort of circumvented the problem by creating a unified client, based on Ertheia technology but with some files in two versions. Like for example map 17_25 is the Ertheia version of Talking Island Village, and map 17_25_Classic is what is used on the Classic Server (special thanks to Laby for the information!). This is built into the client and all of us will have to download those Classic files onto our computer, whether we want to or not.
Now, in addition to the client there is also a server required. Whether NCWest will hook up such a server or not is a political decision. Whether they make it with monthly subscriptions or Truly Free with NCoin support is a political decision. This is what NCsoft is considering at the moment, what they are referring to in their answer to Rytfield's mail.
To say it clearly again, we may get a Classic Server, but we will not, repeat not, get a Heritage Server, never ever. This is technically and economically not viable. While the files for a Classic Server already exist in Korea and just need to be sent over, a Heritage Server would have to be developed specifically for NCWest. With revenue from L2 being at a historic all-time low and the development team being down to 27 members, this is simply not going to happen.
Lineage II classic server detailed
Lineage II will be opening a classic server to appease those players who miss the original version of the popular MMO.
This classic server will be a hybrid of C1 and C2, offering everything from the old inventory system to the old party system to the old skill system, and more. The open beta for this classic server is going on now for Korean players and will end on June 3. After beta, the classic server will be pay-to-play.
What Wizard and n00dles want is a Heritage Server with the real old Chronicles.
Aren't there private servers that cater to this out there? I mean, if they're so fed up with what L2 is now, and for some reason don't have the willpower to quit....why don't people that would prefer the old chronicles just go find a private server that is set up like that? Not that I sponsor them in any way, but if official isn't going to give some people what they want, why not get it elsewhere?
Private servers are stolen property. People who are asking for official Heritage Servers are trying to be legit and legal, and I respect them for that. But this can not change the fact that NCsoft simply does not have the resources to set up such servers, apart from the question whether it should be C1, C4 or Interlude.
To say it again, people who feel uncomfortable with the reduced drop rates since Lindvior will not find happiness here. It will not get better, only ever worse. Adena is being phased out as a medium of interchange. If you do not want to live in abject poverty for the rest of your life, the only thing you can do is play a different game.
I can somewhat understand the appealing of a heritage server but whenever I went back to a previous chronicle with the old interface while I already got used to some of the new, I was really missing some of the new features. So I prefer a classic over a heritage server. This might mean I'll have to put some water with the wine, as we say here in the Netherlands, but as long it's not too much I'm okay with that.
... whenever I went back to a previous chronicle with the old interface while I already got used to some of the new, I was really missing some of the new features. ...
This is exactly what I like in a Classic Server. For example, take a look at this picture (click on it for the whole picture) :
Beside the fact that I dropped the Blue Gemstone (and ****, it was not easy to get it with all those peoples !), The inventory window is exactly what we have with the Ertheia update. There are several tabs to sort items (as today). There is the icon to split adena between members of a command channel (which was not tested tho, since there is no command channel yet). The window is bigger, more suited to large resolution on today's computer.
Compare it now to the old window from C3/C4 times :
Simply put, I find this type of window too small, not intuitide to find an item.
Old chronicles had great things, but however they also have bad things and more importantly bug and exploits. (I can list you at least one exploit per chronicle). With a Classic Server, the overall server and motor is already there, there are only limitations added on the drops, stuff obtainable, what the NPC are offering & cie. Is it something like a C1 server ? No it is not. However it is a server made with the idea of giving those old feelings with today's graphics, performance and all progress which has been made during 10 years of development. Why trashing the result of paid hours ? :D
There are also some details I like which we didn't have before, coming from the Ertheia client.
Rytfield got an interesting answer from the support which tell us that the idea is at least considered. However this server will only be opened if it's financially viable for NCWest to run such a server. And also this server will simply not work if there is the simple use of 3rd party program, something that NCWest didn't manage to enforce so far.
At the moment, the Korean Classic Servers (there are two of them, the second one "Gludio" was opened one hour and a half after the first which was already full) are free until the 3rd of June, and then you will have to pay a monthly fee to play on it. There is no items available from the "NCStore" with NPoints / PC Points. Just the bare game :D
and besides that, who rly wants to grind to 75 with d-grade? (as c/b grade will most likely not avaiable in npc stores, and wont drop too).
D, C and B grade items are all craftable, this is just a matter of farm
and on top of that .. in c1 the whole game was an asia grinder at its whorst, the only good thing was the grafix/animation .. but thats 10 years ago.
This is basically the whole point of those two Classic servers in Korea. Old "grind farm". Happiness is not a destination but a way to travel :)
this would be a real classic C1 feature/horror list:
- full exp loss upon death (hours of grinding lost in a second)
- chance for equipment loss upon death (month of work lost in a second)
- no bsoe, fight and die with honor, and take the exp loss as a real man
- full exp loss upon sieges and pvp (weeks of grinding lost in 2h sieges)
- no gatekeepers (too expensiv), you have to run! to cities and to grinding spots
(run by feet .. yes, no mounts or buffs or something like that .. with aprox 120 runspeed or less)
- no craftshops (in those glory days with had a list with "thrustworthy dwarfs")
- and ofc no auctionhouse
- "epic" quest for classchanges (will take days/weeks and alot of running)
- no clans .. and gl to convince your fellow clanleader to spend his skillpoints to level a clan
- 5min solo means 10min sit and regen mana or hitpoints, and yes .. shooting arrows does cost mana too
- no vr or herbs at all, recover your hitpoints by sitting on the ground .. some classes even had a skill for it .. ("relax" was the skillname if i remember right, and thats not a joke)
- no dm or summoning, your party has to fight their way to the grindspot .. and if someone left, your party has to run back to the entrance and pick up the replacement.
- no shots for pets .. i mean the pet ... here you go summoners, 1 pet, no shots
- you want to play a tank? .. gl getting a grp, no1 needs you.
- you want to play an elven elder .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play an orc destroyer .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play a prophet ... here you go, its the one good chronicle that class had in 10 years :)
this would be a real classic C1 feature/horror list:
- full exp loss upon death (hours of grinding lost in a second)
- chance for equipment loss upon death (month of work lost in a second)
- no bsoe, fight and die with honor, and take the exp loss as a real man
- full exp loss upon sieges and pvp (weeks of grinding lost in 2h sieges)
- no gatekeepers (too expensiv), you have to run! to cities and to grinding spots
(run by feet .. yes, no mounts or buffs or something like that .. with aprox 120 runspeed or less)
- no craftshops (in those glory days with had a list with "thrustworthy dwarfs")
- and ofc no auctionhouse
- "epic" quest for classchanges (will take days/weeks and alot of running)
- no clans .. and gl to convince your fellow clanleader to spend his skillpoints to level a clan
- 5min solo means 10min sit and regen mana or hitpoints, and yes .. shooting arrows does cost mana too
- no vr or herbs at all, recover your hitpoints by sitting on the ground .. some classes even had a skill for it .. ("relax" was the skillname if i remember right, and thats not a joke)
- no dm or summoning, your party has to fight their way to the grindspot .. and if someone left, your party has to run back to the entrance and pick up the replacement.
- no shots for pets .. i mean the pet ... here you go summoners, 1 pet, no shots
- you want to play a tank? .. gl getting a grp, no1 needs you.
- you want to play an elven elder .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play an orc destroyer .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play a prophet ... here you go, its the one good chronicle that class had in 10 years :)
QFT!!! ALL OF THIS!! My God I had forgot a few of those points. That's right no NPC buffs,no pet buffers and no herbs. You box a PP for that or get one in party. I think it'd be more fun to stab my eyes out.
this would be a real classic C1 feature/horror list:
- full exp loss upon death (hours of grinding lost in a second)
- chance for equipment loss upon death (month of work lost in a second)
- no bsoe, fight and die with honor, and take the exp loss as a real man
- full exp loss upon sieges and pvp (weeks of grinding lost in 2h sieges)
- no gatekeepers (too expensiv), you have to run! to cities and to grinding spots
(run by feet .. yes, no mounts or buffs or something like that .. with aprox 120 runspeed or less)
- no craftshops (in those glory days with had a list with "thrustworthy dwarfs")
- and ofc no auctionhouse
- "epic" quest for classchanges (will take days/weeks and alot of running)
- no clans .. and gl to convince your fellow clanleader to spend his skillpoints to level a clan
- 5min solo means 10min sit and regen mana or hitpoints, and yes .. shooting arrows does cost mana too
- no vr or herbs at all, recover your hitpoints by sitting on the ground .. some classes even had a skill for it .. ("relax" was the skillname if i remember right, and thats not a joke)
- no dm or summoning, your party has to fight their way to the grindspot .. and if someone left, your party has to run back to the entrance and pick up the replacement.
- no shots for pets .. i mean the pet ... here you go summoners, 1 pet, no shots
- you want to play a tank? .. gl getting a grp, no1 needs you.
- you want to play an elven elder .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play an orc destroyer .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play a prophet ... here you go, its the one good chronicle that class had in 10 years :)
sounds challenging for a change. hope they implement it soon instead of making this game easier and easier like it's world of warcraft where 4 year old's are capable of being main tank for your clan.
want to find a group? dont make an orc or an EE, it aint hard, etc.
d3 removed auction house.
pvp? you mean who bsoes first after they hit undying will..? lol
id pick this apart further but i got some things to do, you get the point tho.
this would be a real classic C1 feature/horror list:
- full exp loss upon death (hours of grinding lost in a second)
- chance for equipment loss upon death (month of work lost in a second)
- no bsoe, fight and die with honor, and take the exp loss as a real man
- full exp loss upon sieges and pvp (weeks of grinding lost in 2h sieges)
- no gatekeepers (too expensiv), you have to run! to cities and to grinding spots
(run by feet .. yes, no mounts or buffs or something like that .. with aprox 120 runspeed or less)
- no craftshops (in those glory days with had a list with "thrustworthy dwarfs")
- and ofc no auctionhouse
- "epic" quest for classchanges (will take days/weeks and alot of running)
- no clans .. and gl to convince your fellow clanleader to spend his skillpoints to level a clan
- 5min solo means 10min sit and regen mana or hitpoints, and yes .. shooting arrows does cost mana too
- no vr or herbs at all, recover your hitpoints by sitting on the ground .. some classes even had a skill for it .. ("relax" was the skillname if i remember right, and thats not a joke)
- no dm or summoning, your party has to fight their way to the grindspot .. and if someone left, your party has to run back to the entrance and pick up the replacement.
- no shots for pets .. i mean the pet ... here you go summoners, 1 pet, no shots
- you want to play a tank? .. gl getting a grp, no1 needs you.
- you want to play an elven elder .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play an orc destroyer .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play a prophet ... here you go, its the one good chronicle that class had in 10 years :)
I'd pay $15 a month for that.
I find that nicer and more challenging than doing dailies, and having to always be in a party. I miss the days when playing solo was kind of fun.
this would be a real classic C1 feature/horror list:
- full exp loss upon death (hours of grinding lost in a second)
- chance for equipment loss upon death (month of work lost in a second)
- no bsoe, fight and die with honor, and take the exp loss as a real man
- full exp loss upon sieges and pvp (weeks of grinding lost in 2h sieges)
- no gatekeepers (too expensiv), you have to run! to cities and to grinding spots
(run by feet .. yes, no mounts or buffs or something like that .. with aprox 120 runspeed or less)
- no craftshops (in those glory days with had a list with "thrustworthy dwarfs")
- and ofc no auctionhouse
- "epic" quest for classchanges (will take days/weeks and alot of running)
- no clans .. and gl to convince your fellow clanleader to spend his skillpoints to level a clan
- 5min solo means 10min sit and regen mana or hitpoints, and yes .. shooting arrows does cost mana too
- no vr or herbs at all, recover your hitpoints by sitting on the ground .. some classes even had a skill for it .. ("relax" was the skillname if i remember right, and thats not a joke)
- no dm or summoning, your party has to fight their way to the grindspot .. and if someone left, your party has to run back to the entrance and pick up the replacement.
- no shots for pets .. i mean the pet ... here you go summoners, 1 pet, no shots
- you want to play a tank? .. gl getting a grp, no1 needs you.
- you want to play an elven elder .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play an orc destroyer .. gl getting a grp, no1 wants you
- you want to play a prophet ... here you go, its the one good chronicle that class had in 10 years :)
thats why we all want this. we dont want log in, do same thing everyday and log out. same places, same intaces every ******* day. every ******* boring thing.
carebears would not play :D "mom, i played for 2 weeks and then i lost the xp i made during a single siege, QQ" - oh god this would be amazing - oceans of salty tears after each gank
i'd pay 15$/month just to get rid of the toxic Free To Play community. Plus maybe if it was Pay2Play they would actually hire active GMs who would be doing daily bot checkups <3
anyone remembers rolling a dagger just to train people in LoA ? ^^ haha the times
The problem of the classic L2 is the lack of class balance, and even with God+ updates, L2 still is the worst balanced game of all NCSoft(Including Arena Net + Carbine subsidiaries games). The problem of the post-God L2 is the inscanced approach and lack of mats-adena drops.
Lineage 1 has much better class balance than L2 as well as has a better risk-reward balance throughout its open world. So L1 has everything L2 lacks working with harmony: good open world - open dungeons focus, good mat-adena drops rates, good risk - reward in pve-pvp-pk.
These are some of the reasons that make L1 successful until today even with cr@appy graphics.
Other thing Koreans love in L1 is that you are not meant to reach level cap, even players who started in 1998 have not reached cap, it takes literally decades to go from 75+ to 99. Not to mention the XP you lose upon dying in pve - pvp - siege.
And look at NC earnings of 2012 and 2013:
*Most royalties come from B&S which is strong in China.
Getting stuff done in the older chronicles was way more rewarding than they currently are because the "penalties" are a joke and for a large part takes the joy out from the game. I agree C1 has a few really hardcore features but they're not all that bad and remember that it will get gradually easier as they progress towards newer chronicles.
i'd pay 15$/month just to get rid of the toxic Free To Play community. Plus maybe if it was Pay2Play they would actually hire active GMs who would be doing daily bot checkups <3
anyone remembers rolling a dagger just to train people in LoA ? ^^ haha the times
if you played at those time, you would know the situation we had those days ... bots pay 15$ too, no reason to ban them - and c1/c2 was the chronicle when the first tough pvpers started to get their exp from walker.
I would like to hear some information from well informed players about some topics ?
- Are we going to get Auction house ? keep online just to buy/sell something is kinda old
- Vampiric Rage: do we get the old or the "nerfed" version, with reduced hp return from pole parties after the first target ?
- The actual reduced adena drop is just a way to make us to buy Prestige pack, or it is the way L2 will be from now on ? The drop and spoil will be there as before ? I am confused about comments that adena will get old as bussiness method between players.
These chronicles had lots of fun but overall sux. Every warrior was more of a tank than the freaking tank itself. gogo 30 second paralyze/silence on the hardest hiting classes.
I'd love to know the amount of people who, now are on their late 20s or 30s and have time to run for 1hour non stop to loose xp, while family/work. And let's not forget they severely nerfed adena drops on those servers so GOOD luck at even attempting to talk to NPCs for any purchasable item. Ur iventory would probably melt before you even see the prices.
It's NOT "new" anymore, you liked it cause it was new, it got old and boring, these nostalgia lasts for a few weeks then u will complain for every little **** that you bump along the way as the l2 community as been doing for the PAST 10 ******* YEARS.
The problem of the classic L2 is the lack of class balance, and even with God+ updates, L2 still is the worst balanced game of all NCSoft(Including Arena Net + Carbine subsidiaries games). The problem of the post-God L2 is the inscanced approach and lack of mats-adena drops.
Lineage 1 has much better class balance than L2 as well as has a better risk-reward balance throughout its open world. So L1 has everything L2 lacks working with harmony: good open world - open dungeons focus, good mat-adena drops rates, good risk - reward in pve-pvp-pk.
These are some of the reasons that make L1 successful until today even with cr@appy graphics.
Other thing Koreans love in L1 is that you are not meant to reach level cap, even players who started in 1998 have not reached cap, it takes literally decades to go from 75+ to 99. Not to mention the XP you lose upon dying in pve - pvp - siege.
And look at NC earnings of 2012 and 2013:
*Most royalties come from B&S which is strong in China.
L1 has a lot less toon's to choose between, as they killed off almost all the races, only humans, DE's and LE's remain by the time L1 rolls around in the timeline, L2 is a precursor to L1, so of course it seems a little more balanced.
Classes are balanced here in a way, people in L2 are just spoiled, the most powerful classes are actually seen as the weakest due to our mentality. By this time in L2 we think of healers and buffers as part of our base party, and nothing else, go fight a equally geared support class with both only using self buffs, see what the outcome is. In Interlude and C1 when a lot more were soloing people actually knew the difference. As for the paper rock scissors part, that exists in L1 as well, just as is does here, just as it should or you would have a unbeatable class and everyone would roll that class.
They have max level toon's there as well, heck we had some on the NA L1 servers, once you got beyond level 85 oddly enough, they called it GoD mode. :D
I would like to hear some information from well informed players about some topics ?
- Are we going to get Auction house ? keep online just to buy/sell something is kinda old
- Vampiric Rage: do we get the old or the "nerfed" version, with reduced hp return from pole parties after the first target ?
- The actual reduced adena drop is just a way to make us to buy Prestige pack, or it is the way L2 will be from now on ? The drop and spoil will be there as before ? I am confused about comments that adena will get old as bussiness method between players.
There is no Auction House on the Classic Servers right now. Check the maps here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&start=100#p26284
On the upper map of the regular Talking Island Village the Auction House Manager (*********매 대행 관리자) is No. 2. On the lower map of the Classic Talking Island Village it's not there.
At NCWest the drops, both as far as probability and amount of dropped adena are concerned, have been doubly nerfed in comparison with Korea or the Innova servers in Russia and Western Europe. This is intended to make us to buy the Prestige Pack. That being said, the amount of dropped adena (we have no information about the drop probability) has been further reduced in the Ertheia update which went live in Korea on December 11, 2013 and which we will get over here in July or August. In the next update, Addenda, which went live in Korea on April 16, a new kind of Kartia has been introduced where you get neiter exp nor SP nor adena but a great amount of R99 crafting materials as reward: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=108330&site=lineage2
The problem with adena is that it can be easily transported and exchanged, while each item has an individual serial number which makes it possible to track it from one owner to the next. You will find an interesting article about the problems and solutions in combating Real Money Trading here: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=110934&site=lineage2
I find that nicer and more challenging than doing dailies, and having to always be in a party. I miss the days when playing solo was kind of fun.
On the Classic Servers there are neither Newbie Buffs nor Herbs nor Kookaburras. This has been deliberately set up in this way to encourage players to join in parties, increasing social interaction. So-to-speak the Korean version of Lineage 2 as a dating service (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=266931) :D
Especially with the reduced adena drops, which makes it impossible to use shots, you are either playing in a party or not at all. Run this through Google Translator: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=110914&site=lineage2
On the Classic Servers there are neither Newbie Buffs nor Herbs nor Kookaburras. This has been deliberately set up in this way to encourage players to join in parties, increasing social interaction. So-to-speak the Korean version of Lineage 2 as a dating service (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=266931) :D
Especially with the reduced adena drops, which makes it impossible to use shots, you are either playing in a party or not at all. Run this through Google Translator: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=110914&site=lineage2
:)
No npc buffs... Duh, no problem
No adena... L2 was always a game where adena was a challenge. I could make adena back then, I can make adena now, I'll be able to make adena in the future as well, unless they remove it from the game.
About the social part... There was always some bonus for being in a party, be it buffs, ability to kill bigger mobs, friends. I just don't like being forced to party.
C1 seems to be a hit in KR, so I'm pretty sure we'll either see a western server, or access to kr servers within 6 months.
LOL, get the idea you will have access to Asian servers right out of your head, the player base there would have a fit if westerners were allowed on their servers, that's why we don't now, nor have had. Our concepts and the way we look at things are completely different.
This will never, never happen, I can 100% guarantee this, pretty sure Elmar will say the same. :D
LOL, get the idea you will have access to Asian servers right out of your head, the player base there would have a fit if westerners were allowed on their servers
You know how we have many, many PKer's ? They don't. How we will fight over XP spots even if we were not there first ? They don't How we **** talk till the cows come home ? They don't.
Things we consider the norm are the exception over there.
The list goes on and on, they simply find us highly annoying, things that are ere acceptable in our culture are anathema to them. They even block the western military bases IP's that are over there from playing on their servers.
What 1Peri1 is referring to is the fact that on the Korean servers you need a valid SS number or phone number to register to play on their servers. They do this to regulate age as well.
In short, western culture is full of juvenile delinquency. Korean culture is more honor and adult-behaving driven.
For instance, I don't want to play with kids or deal with kids from high school, because there is a mental disease they all have until they graduate. Once they graduate they are ready to rejoin the real world and normal society. And the ones who don't, well they usually end up working as a dish washer or something like that.
Having said this, long story is...
Korean players do pvp with fairness rules; players line up to 1v1 eachother until the top one wins.
They do not allow botting in their clans or any kind of cheating.
They believe in working for something vs stealing it from someone else.
They have a bot issue over there now as well James, the rest applies though. They don't use programs to PvP, they don't just throw down and PvP over anything like we will either. We would think they are carebears, they would view us as having no honor.
Its just a cultural divide, look at the above persons SS, can you even imagine us westerners setting up a line system for a quest like that ? Heck, we'd be killing each other left and right. :D
I believe that some of them may despise westerners, but i do not believe all of them do.
Like in all countries, there are always a small percentage of population that is more or less xenophobe.
I think you have to have a special ID card issued by KR in order to play those servers. PLUS how many of us can speak Korean?
My guess is not many. Elmar knows about it the most.
Yah, the id card would be quite dificult to obtain and the language barrier is a serious hinderance to play there.
You know how we have many, many PKer's ? They don't. How we will fight over XP spots even if we were not there first ? They don't How we **** talk till the cows come home ? They don't.
Things we consider the norm are the exception over there.
The list goes on and on, they simply find us highly annoying, things that are ere acceptable in our culture are anathema to them. They even block the western military bases IP's that are over there from playing on their servers.
What 1Peri1 is referring to is the fact that on the Korean servers you need a valid SS number or phone number to register to play on their servers. They do this to regulate age as well.
So, they are more calm while playing, and don't want a bunch of western teenages full of hormones to ruin their perfectly organized and courteous l2 routine? I understand that.
In short, western culture is full of juvenile delinquency. Korean culture is more honor and adult-behaving driven.
For instance, I don't want to play with kids or deal with kids from high school, because there is a mental disease they all have until they graduate. Once they graduate they are ready to rejoin the real world and normal society. And the ones who don't, well they usually end up working as a dish washer or something like that.
Having said this, long story is...
Korean players do pvp with fairness rules; players line up to 1v1 eachother until the top one wins.
They do not allow botting in their clans or any kind of cheating.
They believe in working for something vs stealing it from someone else.
Still wonder why they don't want us over there?
Yep! Westerners are a quite unruly mob... sometimes is fun, others... not much!
They have a bot issue over there now as well James, the rest applies though. They don't use programs to PvP, they don't just throw down and PvP over anything like we will either. We would think they are carebears, they would view us as having no honor.
Its just a cultural divide, look at the above persons SS, can you even imagine us westerners setting up a line system for a quest like that ? Heck, we'd be killing each other left and right. :D
I, personally, believe that westerners (in general) are courteous and respectfull, but can be more... conflictuous and "all for themselves" in games; maybe a matter of we being continuously in war against our neighbors and other no-westerner nations in the last 2,500 years?
Half the people I see crying for a throw back server are the ones shaking their pitch forks at NC Soft about bots and "pay to win" store. You people vowed not to give NC a nickel until the bots and script users were dealt with. Yet nothing has changed and I see those very people willing to hand over $15 a month to NC. You do realize that there will be bots and such with the same amount of GM management as now...NONE.
There isn't even any confirmation that IF we got it that it'd even be a permanent option. So after all those reasons would you still want to dole out $15 for something not much different than what we have now with no promise of it going long term?
I won't play anything the current team handling Lineage 2 at NCWest is in charge of.
Couldn't have said it better. In fact I will never touch anything that NC has their hands on. Doesn't matter if they get a new team. Upper management has let this go on for over a decade now. It's obvious customers are ignored and the bridge with me has been burned.
I don't care if they bring back the old L2 and make it Perfect. It's NC running it and I refuse to invest any time into a game run by NC. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice... well you know ;)
On that note, there should be a 3rd option "I will never play an NC game again". I would vote for that one.
Half the people I see crying for a throw back server are the ones shaking their pitch forks at NC Soft about bots and "pay to win" store. You people vowed not to give NC a nickel until the bots and script users were dealt with. Yet nothing has changed and I see those very people willing to hand over $15 a month to NC. You do realize that there will be bots and such with the same amount of GM management as now...NONE.
There isn't even any confirmation that IF we got it that it'd even be a permanent option. So after all those reasons would you still want to dole out $15 for something not much different than what we have now with no promise of it going long term?
.... there should be a 3rd option "I will never play an NC game again". I would vote for that one.
There should indeed be an option for "I will not play on a Classic Server" (where I would cast my vote :) ). As it is we can only tell that on June 1, 2014 exactly 21 players would be interested in a retro server, the majority with a monthly subscription, three want free-to-play + NCoins.
Note:
For those of the subscription persuasion I would recommend to demand an account creation fee of 50 dollars or so. With a monthly subscription the GMs are always under the temptation to let a bot account run on for another month to get those 15 dollars extra. With an account creation fee they would be motivated to kill characters with names like "xopsdfjas" right on birth and ask question afterwards. Since botters need to recreate their baby bots, this would generate a never ending stream of revenue for NCsoft :D
Now, for comparison, on Friday night there were about 10,000 Korean players logged into all three Classic Servers together: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&start=120#p26312
Korea is a one-timezone territory, but there are nevertheless shift-working nurses, police officers etc. who play during unorthodox hours. So we can assume that there are overall about 15,000 players for Lineage 2 Classic. When you already have a paid-up post-85 account for the main servers, use of the Classic Servers is included in that. Like over here anybody could create characters both on Teon and Bartz at no extra cost.
Even Korean players say that opening the 3rd server on Friday was ambitious, predicting a merger: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=111083&site=lineage2 (ThiefInTheWell's post at 20:43)
But if we are optimists and say that 10,000 new long-term subscribers will be lured in by Lineage 2 Classic, that makes, at a monthly subscription fee of 30 dollars, only 300,000 dollars of additional revenue per month. Considering the investment, with a separate website (http://lineage2.plaync.com/classic/index) and many many man-hours for actually designing the retro-version, this is hardly worth the effort. The most probable outcome will be that Classic development stops in the 1st quarter 2015 with max. level at 85 and players being offered a free transfer to the regular servers where they then must keep on paying their subscription (in Korea it's pay-to-play after lvl 85) and have in addition the wonderful opportunity to purchase Brooches and whatnot from the L2store :D
1 year later and still haven't bought absolutely anything from the store.
I would play for the classic server just to be able to play a different type of game. Nothing bot related in that decision.
As much as I hate bots, l hate what they done with my spoiler waaay more.
It's not a different type of game,wtf. The mentality you people hold that new servers are going to be different than current servers is just mind boggling. Even if it's paid or free you will have the same problems. They won't magically be fixed with a new server if any kind.
It's not a different type of game,wtf. The mentality you people hold that new servers are going to be different than current servers is just mind boggling. Even if it's paid or free you will have the same problems. They won't magically be fixed with a new server if any kind.
That's not what he meant but there's some truth in there nonetheless. IF NCwest ever starts a Classic Server with a p2p model they'd be fools not to try and tackle those problems. If they decide to do nothing they might earn some money in the short term but as the problems persist a lot of players will leave which will hurt NCwest in the long term, damaging their reputation even further.
This server isn't intended to push people towards something, except boosting NCSoft's revenue. It's intended to keep you paying and chatting with people.
You're not intended to get anything. Only to relive memories from a decade ago.
It's not a different type of game,wtf. The mentality you people hold that new servers are going to be different than current servers is just mind boggling. Even if it's paid or free you will have the same problems. They won't magically be fixed with a new server if any kind.
I'll tell you what would be different:
- my spoiler won't be a dagger, at least for a while.
- since this would be p2p, there will be no in game store (i hope), which would mean that they won't have to slice the drop rate so bad so that we are forced to purchase their stupid items. So, hopefully, the rates would be 1x, not 1/100x
Sure, there will be bots, we'd be stupid to think otherwise, but when it was p2p there were considerably less bots (and considerably less players)
Also, if korea had 10k players, that comes down to 3.6 million dollars per year. That easily covers the creation costs + running costs, which means profit, why would they close it... Unless players leave...
This server isn't intended to push people towards something, except boosting NCSoft's revenue. It's intended to keep you paying and chatting with people.
You're not intended to get anything. Only to relive memories from a decade ago.
It's the same premise on why people still play CS 1.6 though. Some people including myself enjoyed the game a lot more in the c1-ct1.5 time period. Who cares if you don't get anything...I mean if you are playing an MMO to look at your pretty items than have fun that's your prerogative.
- my spoiler won't be a dagger, at least for a while.
- since this would be p2p, there will be no in game store (i hope), which would mean that they won't have to slice the drop rate so bad so that we are forced to purchase their stupid items. So, hopefully, the rates would be 1x, not 1/100x
Sure, there will be bots, we'd be stupid to think otherwise, but when it was p2p there were considerably less bots (and considerably less players)
You must really be stupid to think the the drop rates would be better minus a cash shop.
You won't be able to afford shots even, you won't be teleporting either. You won't have anything gear wise either. This game was not giving what so ever in the beginning. I don't know why anyone would want to go and play that and call it "fun". That's like watching paint dry.
who da *** cares about shots or teleports ? back then L2 was fun, having a full drop u were extatic like a little kid getting a birthday gift. right now "o full drop.. cool... just r95 tho"
Yes you're really poor on the classical server. I just hit lvl 12 with a character, haven't spent anything and I had just enough money to buy a devotion stockings! And I got most of that money from selling the Sword Of Solidarity quest reward which gave me about 8k. (I didn't need it since I made a mage character.) Most of the other gear I have is from quests rewards plus a few drops. I've got a wand of adept (quest), cotton shirt (quest), devotion stockings (bought), leather cap (drop), necklace of knowledge (quest), 2x rings of knowledge (quest), 2x mystic earring (1 quest, 1 drop) and a buckler (quest).
Anyway, adena is so precious you won't even buy potions. So it's not weird that the starter towns have numerous of private stores set up trying to make a few adena. This not a complaint btw, I just want to confirm that it's quite a struggle and perhaps not for everyone but that doesn't mean it's not fun.
It's not a different type of game,wtf. The mentality you people hold that new servers are going to be different than current servers is just mind boggling. Even if it's paid or free you will have the same problems. They won't magically be fixed with a new server if any kind.
I have to disagree with this statement. You've been playing the game for 10 years? That means you have been playing since C1. Can you honestly say there is no difference between the games current state and the early chronicles? I could give a long list (which I already have before). Most people quit when GOD came out because they felt "It was no longer L2". I was one of those people.
I know you are still playing the game and may even be in denial it is different than it used to be (that is certainly one thing I would have if I was to keep playing this game). Also, keep in mind a game does not have to be the same to have the same problems. Aion and L2 are both different games, but have the same problems.
I have to disagree with this statement. You've been playing the game for 10 years? That means you have been playing since C1. Can you honestly say there is no difference between the games current state and the early chronicles? I could give a long list (which I already have before). Most people quit when GOD came out because they felt "It was no longer L2". I was one of those people.
I know you are still playing the game and may even be in denial it is different than it used to be (that is certainly one thing I would have if I was to keep playing this game). Also, keep in mind a game does not have to be the same to have the same problems. Aion and L2 are both different games, but have the same problems.
That's not what I meant. People seem to think because it's a throw back and p2p that it's a different game, it's not and won't be. Just because there's a new server doesn't make it a new game
Saw some posts these days that INNOVA is interested in opening up a classic server for the other part of the world that's not KR :)
So in case NCSOFT refuses, all might not be lost... might even be for the best
Hello? It's NC who gives the server files... And if the event is a failure in Korea... They might as well not consider giving Innova rights to host it!
Saw some posts these days that INNOVA is interested in opening up a classic server for the other part of the world that's not KR :)
So in case NCWEST refuses, all might not be lost... might even be for the best
it was late, guess that kinda changes the meaning.
I don't see how you can really call it a fail 1Peri, it has plenty paying customers, I'm not seeing them (NCSOFT, KR) backing up on this.
INNOVA (specially RU), said they're interested in a classic server.
NCWEST said they're not sure yet, but didn't dismiss the idea totally.
So I kinda see 1-2 servers coming within 2-3 months.
I understand that some of you guys don't like the idea of having a classic server running along with the current one, which is your right to your personal opinion. The same way you should agree that others should be allowed to play on such a server.
Hello? It's NC who gives the server files... And if the event is a failure in Korea... They might as well not consider giving Innova rights to host it!
They already have the right's to do as they wish Tif, it would just be a different server. They even have the right to implement changes in the game in a way, while they can't change anything, they don't have to release changes that are made wholesale like we have to take them here. Just taking some parts of updates out of the equation can give you a totally different game feel.
NC could just not release the files to them of course, but if they already have, they have no say. :p
it was late, guess that kinda changes the meaning.
I don't see how you can really call it a fail 1Peri, it has plenty paying customers, I'm not seeing them (NCSOFT, KR) backing up on this.
INNOVA (specially RU), said they're interested in a classic server.
NCWEST said they're not sure yet, but didn't dismiss the idea totally.
So I kinda see 1-2 servers coming within 2-3 months.
I understand that some of you guys don't like the idea of having a classic server running along with the current one, which is your right to your personal opinion. The same way you should agree that others should be allowed to play on such a server.
Question is funding. How many people out of the roughly 10,000 players on the NA server would switch to classic and pay for it as well. We all know how NCWest was doing financially before F2P then during P2W.
it was late, guess that kinda changes the meaning.
I don't see how you can really call it a fail 1Peri, it has plenty paying customers, I'm not seeing them (NCSOFT, KR) backing up on this.
INNOVA (specially RU), said they're interested in a classic server.
NCWEST said they're not sure yet, but didn't dismiss the idea totally.
So I kinda see 1-2 servers coming within 2-3 months.
I understand that some of you guys don't like the idea of having a classic server running along with the current one, which is your right to your personal opinion. The same way you should agree that others should be allowed to play on such a server.
It's also your right to come cry to board about ur oponent having +16 arcana mace on c4.
oh the tears that will be shed from all those kids that cant spend 3000dollars or euros ingame to stay competitive...splendid.
Question is funding. How many people out of the roughly 10,000 players on the NA server would switch to classic and pay for it as well. We all know how NCWest was doing financially before F2P then during P2W.
As stated by Elmar on rochand (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&start=180#p26405), there's an estimate of 10.000 players in the 3 Classic Servers paying monthly subscription (30,000 won).
Now see how much money NC gains from it.
This means that NC is basically losing money, instead of gaining it.
if open here server Lineage 2 Classic you will see how many ppl will back play here again
i see all new servers here already dead
and can't see new player here anymore be cause %90 from fan Lineage love old Ver like C1 ,C2,C3,C4, to interlude
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I ask the company NCsoft to put a questionnaire to vote on opening server Lineage 2 Classic and you will see how many ppl want it for real money
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now you have free servers without players and a lots of bots
Most players don't even read the forums. The vote would be then considered null under the basis that only a selected few would vote for Classic Servers.
if open here server Lineage 2 Classic you will see how many ppl will back play here again
i see all new servers here already dead
and can't see new player here anymore be cause %90 from fan Lineage love old Ver like C1 ,C2,C3,C4, to interlude
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I ask the company NCsoft to put a questionnaire to vote on opening server Lineage 2 Classic and you will see how many ppl want it for real money
Nasser, you must understand that all those polls are bogus. Here is for example NCKorea's questionnaire from last summer that led to the Classic Servers: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/forum/view?articleId=549931
The questions were worded in a way so that in combination with the picture of the Tank pulling a train of low level Turek Orks the outcome of 73.8% for "Classic Lineage 2" was predetermined. The developers were just seeking a pseudo-democratic legitimation for their project :p
In the meantime Innova has officially announced that they are interested in the Lineage 2 Classic project (что в проекте Lineage 2 Classic мы заинтересованы): https://4gameforum.ru/showthread.php?t=777993#3 http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&start=180#p26407
So a wise course of action for NCWest would be to observe how this works out at Innova, whether there is actually any money to be made from Classic Servers. If yes, rest assured that they will introduce them over here too. If it goes like in Korea, however, they would be well advised to drop the whole idea.
To say it again, the Classic Servers are not private servers. The drop rate is 1/6 of what it used to be in the original Chronicles, the exp rate is 1x, there is no Vitality, no Mentoring System, no Path to Awakening and no Newbie Buffs. As I am typing this, the highest player in Korea is lvl 25, after more than one week of grinding: http://lineage2.plaync.com/classic/board/image/view?articleId=337
(check Mr. Archer's level in the signature)
Now, if there would be a flurry of posts saying "please reduce the drop rate, all that adena ruins the server" or "please remove Vitality, I want to have more time to enjoy the low level content", I would believe that there is authentic interest in a Classic Server. Unfortunately there are no such posts, none whatsoever. On the contrary, every few weeks someone makes a thread about raising the drop rates to pre-Lindvior level, every few weeks somebody complains about the mindless grind to 99. So as a disinterested observer I must assume that many of those who are asking for a Classic Server simply don't know what they are talking about. Before anybody makes further posts I would strongly recommend reading through this thread, all 22 pages of it: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265
To say it again, the Classic Servers are not private servers. The drop rate is 1/6 of what it used to be in the original Chronicles, the exp rate is 1x, there is no Vitality, no Mentoring System, no Path to Awakening and no Newbie Buffs. As I am typing this, the highest player in Korea is lvl 25, after more than one week of grinding: http://lineage2.plaync.com/classic/board/image/view?articleId=337
(check Mr. Archer's level in the signature)
Now, if there would be a flurry of posts saying "please reduce the drop rate, all that adena ruins the server" or "please remove Vitality, I want to have more time to enjoy the low level content", I would believe that there is authentic interest in a Classic Server. Unfortunately there are no such posts, none whatsoever. On the contrary, every few weeks someone makes a thread about raising the drop rates to pre-Lindvior level, every few weeks somebody complains about the mindless grind to 99. So as a disinterested observer I must assume that many of those who are asking for a Classic Server simply don't know what they are talking about. Before anybody makes further posts I would strongly recommend reading through this thread, all 22 pages of it: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Also most people would need to pay for two account because you need something for support buffs. Let's face it that no one wants to play that as a main when you'd be limited to party only play,so you'd need two accounts to buff yourself with some crap buffs to accomplish anything.
I really still see it as a pointless thing to even bother playing.
In the meantime Innova has officially announced that they are interested in the Lineage 2 Classic project (что в проекте Lineage 2 Classic мы заинтересованы): https://4gameforum.ru/showthread.php?t=777993#3 http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&start=180#p26407
So a wise course of action for NCWest would be to observe how this works out at Innova, whether there is actually any money to be made from Classic Servers. If yes, rest assured that they will introduce them over here too. If it goes like in Korea, however, they would be well advised to drop the whole idea.
This might be the wise thing to do, it would also be wise of them to follow how Innova develops it, like I bet they turn the drop rates up to norm. In other words it would be wise of NC to let Innova take the ball and run with it and copy the course they set.
Now when have we ever known NC to do anything that is wise or logical ? :D
Why do you care if NcWest will open a classic server or not? Play your ... game, as I cannot call it Lineage 2 anymore, since the GoD update.
Also, there is this.. girl here who bash everyone who wants a classic server. Lady, don't you have better things to do ?
Back on topic, I would be back to Lineage 2 in the moment they will open a classic server. And not alone , few friends will also join me.
A server where they will start from C1 and then after some months they will go C2 , etc ? ****! That sounds so ******* awesome.
"To much grind" , "You will have no adena for SS" , "You will walk because you will also not have adena for teleport" ! Man! How I miss those parts.
Yes so , **** and leave us alone.
Today lineage 2 is ... how can I say .. VERY ******* BORING. So go play that boring game while we hope that NcWest will open a classic server.
Read the thread before replying. It's not real C1, just an Ertheia server with old-school settings and nerfed adena rates, drop rates and much more compared to real C1.
Also, the updates don't follow the original chronicles, they're just a rehash of the old school features from each chronicle, all mashed together.
Today lineage 2 is ... how can I say .. VERY ******* BORING. So go play that boring game while we hope that NcWest will open a classic server.
Annnd you think a classic server won't be boring whhhy? As mentioned many times in this thread if you had read it you will be so bored you'll barf on the throwback settings. For you to level 1-40,will take you forever and you will have no adena.
Yeah sounds like something I'd want to pay $15 a month to play. /sarcasm off
Annnd you think a classic server won't be boring whhhy? As mentioned many times in this thread if you had read it you will be so bored you'll barf on the throwback settings. For you to level 1-40,will take you forever and you will have no adena.
Yeah sounds like something I'd want to pay $15 a month to play. /sarcasm off
Are you that stupid? On my first reply I clearly asked you to stop with this bull-**** already. Go play your ***ing game and stop acting like a cheap *****.
I think , yes I think. Not you , not anyone else. I THINK ( from MY point of view ) ! Is MY problem if I will have fun from 1-40 or how ******* long will take to level up and if I will have any adena or not.
You have a game, like I said, go play it and stop acting like a cool little girl
Geezes. Your sarcasm is below normal limits. Keep your cheap 15$ and if I want to pay 15$ a month to play a classic L2 , then I will, no matter what you or anyone else will say.
This thread is for people who wants a classic L2. GOT IT?
Read the thread before replying. It's not real C1, just an Ertheia server with old-school settings and nerfed adena rates, drop rates and much more compared to real C1.
Also, the updates don't follow the original chronicles, they're just a rehash of the old school features from each chronicle, all mashed together.
I know exactly what type of server is this. Thanks anyway for...trying to "warn" me.
This type of server clearly isn't for everyone, nor should it be.
Also, it's not mandatory to play on it.
As for the economics of ncwest... They're rolling currently on less than 10 ppl... If they had 1 more, they'd have 1 person to deal with bots.
If you get 3000 subscribers on ncwest, for 15 per month (easily achievable) you'd cover the monthly employees salaries + the server cost. Anything over 3000 subscribers it's profit.
They don't have to do anything for it, just flip a switch once a week and call it maintenance.
When I heard about the classic remake and saw what they did, It is just PERFECT. They actually knew what makes L2 a good game and gave to the community to play, SADLY only in Korea!!! I wanna play SO BAD that Classic Server, it's not only Nostalgia, It's a good hardcore game, a true MMORPG, there are only bad MMOs lately, and Lineage 2 is just the BOSS overall, anyway, let's hope that someday we can put our hand on it because I wanna playyyyy sooooo badddddddddddd........ :)
All of you people who cry about bots and having to pay, are not true lineage 2 players. If we pay to play and they use the money how they should... like having a staff member to monitor bots. Idk if you have seen the number of bots banned from the KR classic but its hilarious how many accounts were banned in the first week. I think almost 40k accounts and then almost 10k the second week. If they actually monitored that in the USA and opened a classic server I think it would be a great success. F all the haters and QQers on these forums GoD is complete trash and I personally refuse to play it. So i'll continue to mess around on IL and lower chronicle privs until we get a Classic here in the USA.
Having to ban over 40k accounts in a 2 weeks span simply proves that the classic server formula doesn't work as intended.
Not to mention the low paying playerbase and the constant complaints on the Korean boards.
It's not hating, it's called having a grip on reality.
Have fun on your private servers, o pure player who refuses to support NC. A true L2 player indeed.
How is NC supposed to calculate potential revenue if players go to Innova and private servers? You are the reason they haven't said a word about it yet.
Not at all lol..... Banning bots just shows that they actually care or are attempting to keep a bot free server. People are going to find alternative ways to play Good L2 instead of this crappy GoD thats just how it is. Who wants to support NC West they are by far the ********* gaming co. They do very little to communicate with their player base and are invisible when it comes to monitoring their games. You can say what you want man but if you think them actually banning bots is a bad thing your stupid. The low player base will grow once people realize they are listening to players somewhat and arent just watching it collapse on itself like the previous l2. Its like a fresh start in my eyes
I'm saying that them being the majority of the population on the Classic Servers is bad.
Also, I wonder how you demand from NC the Classic Servers if you don't even support the company. Hypocritical much?
Lastly, why are Classic Servers a fresh start? They're a rehash of old chronicles mashed together, and even Korean players are growing tired of them already. Remembering the past is all fancy and dandy, but actually living it is less fancy than you would think.
Not at all lol..... Banning bots just shows that they actually care or are attempting to keep a bot free server. People are going to find alternative ways to play Good L2 instead of this crappy GoD thats just how it is. Who wants to support NC West they are by far the ********* gaming co. They do very little to communicate with their player base and are invisible when it comes to monitoring their games. You can say what you want man but if you think them actually banning bots is a bad thing your stupid. The low player base will grow once people realize they are listening to players somewhat and arent just watching it collapse on itself like the previous l2. Its like a fresh start in my eyes
Please refer to what I wrote on the first page of this thread: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=267348#16
What is running in Korea right now is not a C1 server but a classically flavoured Ertheia server with, among other things, a 1/6 drop rate. The developers have tried a new approach, a new formula, but, as Tiferet wrote above, this formula doesn't work as intended.
There would be no bots if players would not be willing to buy adena, and they are willing to buy adena because they can't make ends meet under the current conditions. And because there are many bots, players don't find monsters to kill and their leveling speed is very slow. There is one known player (http://lineage2.plaync.com/classic/board/gmroom/view?articleId=835) of lvl 40, but when you check the official Classic forums, where the signatures automatically show the current level of the poster, the vast majority is still in their 20s.
The Classic Servers are far from being a financial success: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=268031&page=2#32
NCKorea is not hiring additional staff, but it's the same old GM Kashinel who now has to act as community liaison for both the regular and the classic servers. The development team has not been increased but split up in two sub-teams, one for classic, one for regular, with the result that in the last update, "Infinte Odyssey - Prelude to the Journey", only the support classes got their lvl 101 skills. Fighter classes get theirs "soon", presumably in August: http://lineage2.plaync.com/promotion/infinite_odyssey/growth
(under the video)
In other words, if NCWest should be so delusional and really introduce a Classic Server over here, the service quality for everybody will further be reduced. This is why the better informed persons on this forum hate the Classic enthusiasts :)
But who cares about new content for GoD its not lineage anymore man the game is dumb as hell now. About 75% of this games community is on private servers playing Pre GoD chronicles so honestly the 5 people who care about new content for GoD can screw themselves in my opinion. Haters gonna hate. And i know what the classic server is. Its the new game mechanics/interface with modified areas/drops/items to match older chronicles. But still 10000000x better than the level 85+ garbage thats currently going on. with 90% of the population being bots. Im sure what you said is true though about the staffing situation but it is what it is man. the game will be dead real soon if they dont do something different. Hence the classic server launch.
honestly the 5 people who care about new content for GoD can screw themselves in my opinion.
Honestly the 5 people who care about classic servers can screw themselves in my opinion.
See how easily your "argument" can be thrown back at you.
We can argue all you want on the topic, but lacking respect for someone else's opinions with this kind of argument isn't what society deems acceptable.
Besides, GoD had its bad and good sides, and I actually like the fact that Shillien Saints aren't overshadowed much by the other healer classes, per the pre-GoD situation.
Well i personally wish they would open an official server that was an old chronicle 100% not the classic setup but that will never happen so just hope for the next best thing!
Lol, you can keep despising GoD all you want, but you're still a hypocrite, demanding your opinions to be considered superior to other people's.
Besides. Classic servers are still a ****** up project, seeing the reaction they received on the Korean lands.
I think it's that mentality that a new server means no bots and that everyone has to start new. This kind of thinking is idiocy at it's finest. Dumb children who shouldn't be using the internet and have no idea what the F this game was like 10 years ago,but seem to think $15 a month is going to keep the servers bot free.
Who in their right mind wants to pay $15 to go play on a server with content and settings from 10 years ago? You won't get any more GM service than you do now, no free xp/drop event, you won't level at any decent rate to consider it fun, you won't have gear,no adena, no buffs without a PP boxed. Maybe 10 years ago that was fun because that was the current content we all played.
Once summer vacation is over and people go back to school this throwback server will burn in the fire it should have a month ago. No one has time to dedicate to that nonsense now.
Aw Peri im sorry i forgot you "old farts" that are still here want hand outs and don't have the time to grind or work to get gear. Since your Old AS dirt now and have lives and all that jazz right? Go play hello kitty online i hear you level up super fast and they give you best stuff no joke. Max level in 30min GG. Go back to your nursing home where you belong and stop posting your crap on the forums.
Not everyone wants a game where they can play for a week and have everything i dont know if you forgot but this isn't World of warcraft. Of course the game will never be bot free but if they are actually banning bots like they should and it cost 15$ it will most def reduce the number of bots. And if not so be it at least the game is making 15$ a month from the accounts that the botters will keep buying? Anything is better than this **** Item store system the game has managed to become.
Aw Peri im sorry i forgot you "old farts" that are still here want hand outs and don't have the time to grind or work to get gear. Since your Old AS dirt now and have lives and all that jazz right? Go play hello kitty online i hear you level up super fast and they give you best stuff no joke. Max level in 30min GG. Go back to your nursing home where you belong and stop posting your crap on the forums. L8er
The Vets around here never asked for any handouts. I don't recall demanding anything exactly. 32 is not old as dirt, it's call being an adult which you clearly aren't. Your display of immaturity towards anyone who doesn't agree with you shows that.
So go back your toddler toys and have your mom wipe your rear while your at it, smells like a load of sh^t in here.
What is so hard to understand: some ppl like classic server, some don't. There's room for everyone in the world.
What i don't understand is why ppl that don't like it, come and bash on a thread that's dedicated to classic server. Mind your own business.
If you have no intention on playing on classic server, buzz off from this thread. What are you afraid of? That the 2 ppl running NCWest would split in two and your already bot infested GoD server would be more bot infested? Don't worry, it doesn't take any genius to flip a switch and call it weekly maintenance, so everything will still be the same for you.
And the people that are going to play on the classic server, aren't buying adena in the current GoD crap anyway, so bot owners don't loose any "business".
So I say, cut the drama, go back to your GoD related threads and let us enjoy the perspective of a nicer game (which for us it is).
On topic, NCSOFT Kr understands now, that if they want a subscription based game and they want to actually make money from it, they need to solve the bot problem the best way they can (manually is as good as any).
It's good to see that things are improving bot wise. Maybe it's a new start and NCSOFT will actually start listening to their customers.
Hopefully classic servers + improved bot control will arrive to the other part of the globe (I don't really care if it's INNOVA or NCWEST). I'll definitely be paying $15 / month for it.
What is so hard to understand: some ppl like classic server, some don't. There's room for everyone in the world.
What i don't understand is why ppl that don't like it, come and bash on a thread that's dedicated to classic server. Mind your own business.
If you have no intention on playing on classic server, buzz off from this thread. What are you afraid of? That the 2 ppl running NCWest would split in two and your already bot infested GoD server would be more bot infested? Don't worry, it doesn't take any genius to flip a switch and call it weekly maintenance, so everything will still be the same for you.
And the people that are going to play on the classic server, aren't buying adena in the current GoD crap anyway, so bot owners don't loose any "business".
So I say, cut the drama, go back to your GoD related threads and let us enjoy the perspective of a nicer game (which for us it is).
Why do you pro classic server whiners bash the rest of us because we don't agree with you and actually have said why many times. You're an idiot if you don't think anyone that might play a classic server isn't buying adena. In ALL the servers there are do you really think not ONE single person won't come over to your silly classic server that has never bought adena and won't on that server?
You must have some serious delusions there. We aren't bashing you, we just know what reality is and have seen a lot happen in 10 years and pretty much can tell you what's going to happen. Complain about bots and then cheer when there's a server you can pay NC $15 a month for because you think it'll be somehow better than regular servers. Why would you think because you pay $15 that it's going to be the best thing ever.
Tell me why you think giving NC $15 a month makes it a win when most of the posts I see are screaming about not buying anything from NC and then I see those very same people saying "OMG TAKE MY $15".
Honestly that's what is so funny about it. Complain to no end about the cash shop and bots telling everyone not to spend money and then...this. If you really want to be a hypocrite this is your defining moment here.
Old man look.... this thread is called New C1 Server! Clearly for people who WANT a c1 server. You are coming here and saying no one wants to play c1 server blah blah blah bots wont stop blah blah blah. They have banned an *** load of bots and the people playing the KR classic are loving it. Please **** and go play your GoD because its so great! The reason people complain about bots is because they dont do anything about it lol. On the new classic server they are doing something about it. I think your just mad and dont want it to cost 15$ because your some old dude living with your mom and she said she won'y pay for your games anymore.
Why do you pro classic server whiners bash the rest of us because we don't agree with you and actually have said why many times. You're an idiot if you don't anyone that might play a classic server isn't buying adena. In ALL the servers there are do you really think not ONE single person won't comes over to your silly classic server that has never bought adena and won't on that server?
You must have some serious delusions there. We aren't bashing you, we just know what reality is and have seen a lot happen in 10 years and pretty much can tell you what's going to happen. Complain about bots and then cheer when there's a server you can pay NC $15 a month for because you think it'll be somehow better than regular servers. Why would you think because you pay $15 that it's going to be the best thing ever.
Tell me why you think giving NC $15 a month makes it a win when most of the posts I see are screaming about not buying anything from NC and then I see those very same people saying "OMG TAKE MY $15".
Honestly that's what is so funny about it. Complain to no end about the cash shop and bots telling everyone not to spend money and then...this. If you really want to be a hypocrite this is your defining moment here.
Well i for one would prefer GoD even if they went back to the old payment method $15... none of this cash shop ****. For me thats the main issue with GoD is the endless p2w events, that require $500+ (per month) in order to be anyway competitive not to mention the fact these items are not obtainable any other way (Which is a broken system in the first place... 0.000001% chance is better than non chance).
With L2 most of the fun is during the journey, ie when GoD opened Harnak was full of endless fights. I have never been sure why Ncsoft dont just merge and open up a new server , theyd make a killing with runes, etc. Yepp populations would inflate for a while then crash, but with the cash shop its all about short term. Hell a lot of people wont even try coming back now given that to be competitive you need to have bought **** months ago that you cant get now, leveling to 99 and getting dark set/dark wep isnt even enough anymore.
Well i for one would prefer GoD even if they went back to the old payment method $15... none of this cash shop ****. For me thats the main issue with GoD is the endless p2w events, that require $500+ (per month) in order to be anyway competitive not to mention the fact these items are not obtainable any other way (Which is a broken system in the first place... 0.000001% chance is better than non chance).
With L2 most of the fun is during the journey, ie when GoD opened Harnak was full of endless fights. I have never been sure why Ncsoft dont just merge and open up a new server , theyd make a killing with runes, etc. Yepp populations would inflate for a while then crash, but with the cash shop its all about short term. Hell a lot of people wont even try coming back now given that to be competitive you need to have bought **** months ago that you cant get now, leveling to 99 and getting dark set/dark wep isnt even enough anymore.
New servers entirely aren't the answer here. Begging for merges then a new server still boggles my mind why people ask for this nonsense. Merges okay I can roll with that,but not a new server, that would be Magmeld reloaded basically.
L2 has always been up and down in terms of loot and leveling. NC has always changed rates here and there so it could change at any time for us. NA servers don't always follow Korean servers. I wouldn't say you can't get, it's just really hard to get if you play legit like a normal human. Adena isn't impossible to make, I've never had a problem doing that. Just depends on how you do it. I've used the cash shop to my advantage in the past, perk items from ncoin cards, long time player perks..whatever. You gotta pay attention to legit means to make adena.
If you're about the PVP then you know in order to stand any chance in Hell what you have to do. If you're just logging on to hook up with some friends to play a few hours a night then that's what's fun for you and it's free.
New servers entirely aren't the answer here. Begging for merges then a new server still boggles my mind why people ask for this nonsense. Merges okay I can roll with that,but not a new server, that would be Magmeld reloaded basically.
L2 has always been up and down in terms of loot and leveling. NC has always changed rates here and there so it could change at any time for us. NA servers don't always follow Korean servers. I wouldn't say you can't get, it's just really hard to get if you play legit like a normal human. Adena isn't impossible to make, I've never had a problem doing that. Just depends on how you do it. I've used the cash shop to my advantage in the past, perk items from ncoin cards, long time player perks..whatever. You gotta pay attention to legit means to make adena.
If you're about the PVP then you know in order to stand any chance in Hell what you have to do. If you're just logging on to hook up with some friends to play a few hours a night then that's what's fun for you and it's free.
Once again Magmeld is a terrible example to give as it was a server that they allowed people to transfer to very early on. Shilen had very active server, both in small and large scale pvp.
Again you have different interests, many people returned to the game when they opened new Servers, do they stay? Maybe not, but at least for a first few months they are full of active people and bots (that is a constant that will never change), for ncsoft this is win win anyway as more runes, eventual server transfers.
Once again I never said adena was a problem for me, but there is a difference in adding stuff like rose essence, etc. And adding a necklace with gems that add 2000+ p.def/m.def/pvp set bonus etc etc.
A lot of people enjoy this game not only for the pvp at endgame, but pvp throughout the game at every level. At the monent, people rarely leave town and there is more fun with pvp based off pve, than stacked 7 man groups prowling for victims.
And the people that are going to play on the classic server, aren't buying adena in the current GoD crap anyway, so bot owners don't loose any "business".
Lol, you sure? :rolleyes:
The nerfed drops are exactly the reason bots have overrun the classic servers. There wouldn't be bots if there wasn't a demand for adena from RMT managers.
the people playing the KR classic are loving it.
Because Korean players whining on the Korean boards is a sign of them loving the classic servers.
What world do you live in?
Last time I checked these were discussion boards (General Discussion is the name of this forum section), if you don't want discussions go on Facebook and create your own group there, you can ban whoever dares going against your opinion.
you have 9000 posts on here. you need help. Nuff said. do you read the number of bot accounts banned from the KR server? Clearly your happy playing on the GoD servers which are 100% full of bots and who knows when the last ban wave was. At least they are showing some hope by banning people again. And unlike the GoD crap they must re-buy their accounts to keep going which just keeps the money flowing. Would be a fool to not bring this server to Innova and Nc West. Your def another "old man" who wants everything just spoon fed to him so please get a new hobby instead of trolling these forums . you have posted 9000 times to many.
Once again Magmeld is a terrible example to give as it was a server that they allowed people to transfer to very early on. Shilen had very active server, both in small and large scale pvp.
Again you have different interests, many people returned to the game when they opened new Servers, do they stay? Maybe not, but at least for a first few months they are full of active people and bots (that is a constant that will never change), for ncsoft this is win win anyway as more runes, eventual server transfers.
Once again I never said adena was a problem for me, but there is a difference in adding stuff like rose essence, etc. And adding a necklace with gems that add 2000+ p.def/m.def/pvp set bonus etc etc.
A lot of people enjoy this game not only for the pvp at endgame, but pvp throughout the game at every level. At the monent, people rarely leave town and there is more fun with pvp based off pve, than stacked 7 man groups prowling for victims.
Magmeld is a prime example of what a new server would be. Of coarse NC would open that up for transfers. That's $50 a toon. People who have established accounts move to these new servers thinking they can farm and xp in peace and try and dominate the server. They might for a month or so,but really it would be another magmeld. A new server wouldn't be anything exclusive. I never said adena was a problem for me or you, but other players it is, and the classic server would certainly prove to be short on adena too. This is where the adena sellers feed. It won't matter what the fee to play is, they will be there and people will buy. It's a given. It's been like that since day 1.
The age old cash shop boo hoo. You can't afford what the other guy bought so it's not fair. Well reality is just like that too so get used to it. Find your way to enjoy L2 or quit, that's the only choices you have. Everyone can buy from the shop if they want to so in my opinion it's fair and open to all, if you can't afford it that's not a reason it's unfair. I can't blow gobs of money and I still manage to enjoy.
A server to play for $15 with old content isn't going to change anything or be better. I remember before the server went open to free and Chronos was really down on active players. You could literally go to entire areas and it was void of anyone. Territory wars consisted of clans with alts who farmed their badges and no one would bother you because everyone knew each other and their alts.
My vote is still No, NC needs to better maintain their current servers and try worrying about their current customers/players before they should even think about adding any form of servers paid or not. None of us should be willing to pay them anything period for the poor server management now. Every week the posts pile into the maint. threads about the same bugs and bots.
Does it make sense to give a company more money when they can't even offer top service for what they currently offer now? They have multiple games they stretch their employees over as it is.
Magmeld is a prime example of what a new server would be. Of coarse NC would open that up for transfers. That's $50 a toon. People who have established accounts move to these new servers thinking they can farm and xp in peace and try and dominate the server. They might for a month or so,but really it would be another magmeld. A new server wouldn't be anything exclusive. I never said adena was a problem for me or you, but other players it is, and the classic server would certainly prove to be short on adena too. This is where the adena sellers feed. It won't matter what the fee to play is, they will be there and people will buy. It's a given. It's been like that since day 1.
The age old cash shop boo hoo. You can't afford what the other guy bought so it's not fair. Well reality is just like that too so get used to it. Find your way to enjoy L2 or quit, that's the only choices you have. Everyone can buy from the shop if they want to so in my opinion it's fair and open to all, if you can't afford it that's not a reason it's unfair. I can't blow gobs of money and I still manage to enjoy.
A server to play for $15 with old content isn't going to change anything or be better. I remember before the server went open to free and Chronos was really down on active players. You could literally go to entire areas and it was void of anyone. Territory wars consisted of clans with alts who farmed their badges and no one would bother you because everyone knew each other and their alts.
My vote is still No, NC needs to better maintain their current servers and try worrying about their current customers/players before they should even think about adding any form of servers paid or not. None of us should be willing to pay them anything period for the poor server management now. Every week the posts pile into the maint. threads about the same bugs and bots.
Does it make sense to give a company more money when they can't even offer top service for what they currently offer now? They have multiple games they stretch their employees over as it is.
Again more bold assumptions, I had all those items that i detested and I could have dropped more money into the game, but it was the fact these were needed to play which took the joy away. Hence why many prefer to play official verses a unofficial where you can start with 99 ++gear etc. But, it is clear you are cherry picking aspects of responses to suit your agenda and my points are clearly falling on deaf ears. Besides I have played this game since OB and I know the futility in arguing with a veteran forum warrior.
Once again just your opinion on the matter. Glad "you" think it wont be better. But like i said probably about 75% of this games population is on private server playing Pre-GoD chronicles. The NC staff probably doesnt care about bugs in GoD because they know its all bots and no one cares. They know they made a huge mistake with that update and F2p system. #regret but anyone we will see what happens in the next couple months i guess
do you read the number of bot accounts banned from the KR server? Clearly your happy playing on the GoD servers which are 100% full of bots and who knows when the last ban wave was.
Classic servers are full of bots despite the paid access. And players (the real ones at least) keep dwindling.
Banning them is just the last straw to try keeping the project alive.
I like seeing how you choose to ignore the full data in order to only take what you need to keep your theory going. Tell me, who guarantees that a NCWest classic server doesn't get 100% full of bots on day one?
Old servers were full of bots even while there was pay to play system. 'Nuff said.
Regarding my post count, I'd like to point out my registration date and that I have access to these boards from mobile devices too. I like chewing on people like you, they're really tasty.
Tif is the help around here, that's why the post count is 9k. Perhaps some people actually DO know something rather than being a tool.
Nuff said. do you read the number of bot accounts banned from the KR server?
That doesn't have anything to do with NA servers period. You can't compare that to the price of eggs in China.
Clearly your happy playing on the GoD servers which are 100% full of bots and who knows when the last ban wave was.
So you basically made that percentage up and Tif and I are bots? Really? Who is the troll now?
At least they are showing some hope by banning people again. And unlike the GoD crap they must re-buy their accounts to keep going which just keeps the money flowing.
Once an account is banned it can't be bought back. It's banned. They create new accounts and bot up again.
Would be a fool to not bring this server to Innova and Nc West. Your def another "old man" who wants everything just spoon fed to him so please get a new hobby instead of trolling these forums . you have posted 9000 times to many.
I think the troll here is you, 9k posts don't make a person a troll. Posting made up facts and stupid opinions however is trolling. The only defense you've had is insulting and using a person's post count as a lame way to justify yourself
Again more bold assumptions, I had all those items that i detested and I could have dropped more money into the game, but it was the fact these were needed to play which took the joy away. Hence why many prefer to play official verses a unofficial where you can start with 99 ++gear etc. But, it is clear you are cherry picking aspects of responses to suit your agenda and my points are clearly falling on deaf ears. Besides I have played this game since OB and I know the futility in arguing with a veteran forum warrior.
And you think I haven't been here since open Beta too?
I just don't see it your way that's all. I'm not assuming anything, it's pretty easy to figure out. Common sense applied here and you'll realize that.
Private servers can't even be compared to retail servers, you know that. You don't actually know what people prefer really, that's just an assumption too.
You pick out part of a sentence so it makes sense for your response. Please dude just stop go elsewhere. Your bot party must be running fine on GoD right now if you got all this time to respond to me. New L2 is garbage and you just cant admit that. Glad you got your parents credit cards to buy from the item shop but sad fact is the game is dead needs to be revamped with new server running the GLORY days of L2. Simple fact. Each new update they come out with since the GoD brings less and less new players because it SUCKS. Yes bots will buy new accounts but if they really crack down and ban them it will eventually cost them too much money to be effective. KR its 30$ a month to play. Unless bots can make 30$ in 1 day on fresh toons i dont think it would be worth it for them if they get banned every week lol. You cant deny that.
Have you been on a private server? there are numerous private servers with higher populations than the official servers! I know I have seen it with my own eyes. Its not hard to figure out that more people would rather play older chronicles than GoD.
You pick out part of a sentence so it makes sense for your response. Please dude just stop go elsewhere. Your bot party must be running fine on GoD right now if you got all this time to respond to me. New L2 is garbage and you just cant admit that. Glad you got your parents credit cards to buy from the item shop but sad fact is the game is dead needs to be revamped with new server running the GLORY days of L2. Simple fact. Each new update they come out with since the GoD brings less and less new players because it SUCKS. Yes bots will buy new accounts but if they really crack down and ban them it will eventually cost them too much money to be effective. KR its 30$ a month to play. Unless bots can make 30$ in 1 day on fresh toons i dont think it would be worth it for them if they get banned every week lol. You cant deny that.
I didn't pick apart anything, it was exactly how you said it and I quoted that with a response. Nothing picked apart there.
I don't bot and never have, people can do more than one thing at a time you realize. If L2 is garbage to you then why would you want to keep playing much less pay $15 a month then? Can't be too bad for you then right? Bots can make more than $30 a day on fresh accounts. GoD newbie quests on say lets 40 accounts alone would generate enough to earn $30 in adena sales. not to mention adena sellers also BUY adena stock off other players too.
My parents don't even have a credit card and I'm a 32 year old adult, I'm more than capable of using my own credit card tyvm.
Your bot party must be running fine on GoD right now if you got all this time to respond to me.
I just finished pvping against PlaymatesI on dimensional server, unlike you I worked my *** off to reach endgame...
Have you been on a private server? there are numerous private servers with higher populations than the official servers!
I came from private servers and they were terrible. I'm glad retail went F2P.
Most private server kids play on those because they were free and they get basically handed out everything, pretty much the opposite of what a classic server is supposed to be.
That's why I'm pretty sure those 75% you pulled out of your *** would try out the classic server and quit after a week.
Did you forget everything we had been talking about.... Your a moron. I dont play GoD. I quit as soon as it came out. Also bots cant make 30$ a day on CLASSIC SERVERS which they are being banned from clearly your a huge idiot. If you think they make 30$ at level 15 on a classic server with low adena drop rate your mental. Those are the servers that they are actually banning bots and is why they are so popular in KR and will be a success everywhere. People love L2 just old L2. It would be hard for bots to be successful if the GM's ban them every week simple as that.
Nope, I intended exactly to say what I said. I worked my *** off to reach endgame, you quit GoD because you didn't like it. Therefore you didn't hit endgame.
Keep going with the insults if it's what you need for your self-entitlement.
This (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1265&p=26940#p26935) post proves that the bots are still going strong and getting their business flourishing, since they get banned one server at a time and probably recreated upon ban.
Let's see if NC keeps it up.
Have you been on a private server? there are numerous private servers with higher populations than the official servers! I know I have seen it with my own eyes. Its not hard to figure out that more people would rather play older chronicles than GoD.
Yes I have and I also helped a friend run one, I was a GM. The populations are higher because the XP/Adena rates are high and basically spoon fed to you. They aren't on that server because of the content, they are on it for the settings and the PVP. Most of those privates have things you can "donate" for as they call it. This is where the term "donator" that gets tossed around here comes from. Any version of L2 can't be played on any settings the privates so choose or any stats on gear they want. It's all a matter of code.
You don't have anything new to add here, I'm all very much aware of what goes on outside of official servers and how it works.
Did you forget everything we had been talking about.... Your a moron. I dont play GoD. I quit as soon as it came out. Also bots cant make 30$ a day on CLASSIC SERVERS which they are being banned from clearly your a huge idiot. If you think they make 30$ at level 15 on a classic server with low adena drop rate your mental. Those are the servers that they are actually banning bots and is why they are so popular in KR and will be a success everywhere. People love L2 just old L2. It would be hard for bots to be successful if the GM's ban them every week simple as that.
The more you post the more you contradict yourself. You don't have any proof to back up anything you say. Bots own many accounts and you know that from current servers there isn't much in bot control going on so why would you think it would be different on a classic server in NA?
If you think they make 30$ at level 15 on a classic server with low adena drop rate your mental.
They pay 30 won, which are 15 dollars given or taken, and they pay because there's demand for botted adena to keep players afloat.
talking to you 2 is like talking to a brick wall im done we will see in a month or 2 if they release a classic server and hopefully revive this dead *** game
talking to you 2 is like talking to a brick wall im done we will see in a month or 2 if they release a classic server and hopefully revive this dead *** game
That's because there's more logic between the two of us than you can handle.
talking to you 2 is like talking to a brick wall
Odd, I could say the same about you. You have zero discussing will, you only spew data you pulled off your *** and pretend to pass them as real stuff, and whoever tells you otherwise must be "mental".
I don't miss C1. If anything I think C1 was the worst chronicle (especially for mages). There were a lot of necessary changes made in C2, C3 and C4 (except C4 pooped all over mages by heavily nerfing sleep without adding anything to make up for the huge loss of survivability).
There have been a lot of positive class rebalances, mob rebalances, graphical changes and other alterations made in the later major updates that make the game much more enjoyable than it was during C1 (especially the armors which added fingers and new mobs and hunting areas).
The Kamael update added the Kamaels, my favorite L2 race.
I think it's that mentality that a new server means no bots and that everyone has to start new. This kind of thinking is idiocy at it's finest. Dumb children who shouldn't be using the internet and have no idea what the F this game was like 10 years ago,but seem to think $15 a month is going to keep the servers bot free.
Who in their right mind wants to pay $15 to go play on a server with content and settings from 10 years ago? You won't get any more GM service than you do now, no free xp/drop event, you won't level at any decent rate to consider it fun, you won't have gear,no adena, no buffs without a PP boxed. Maybe 10 years ago that was fun because that was the current content we all played.
Once summer vacation is over and people go back to school this throwback server will burn in the fire it should have a month ago. No one has time to dedicate to that nonsense now.
Like Elmar stated, the classic servers are disaster, players can't make parties nor solo. If it is troubled in Korea which is an one time country, it will obviously be a utter failure in west:
Like Elmar stated, the classic servers are disaster, players can't make parties nor solo. If it is troubled in Korea which is an one time country, it will obviously be a utter failure in west:
Been playing the game on and off since 04 and love the game. But the one thing I do miss is the potential of getting a great drop. If i'm going to play my style which is mostly solo its always nice during your grind to acquire adena or drops. I for one would never want to go back because its evolved into a beautiful game. Though i will continue to play and have fun I would like to see an increase in adena and drops because there is no better feeling when you get that awesome weapon drop(BTW still waiting on that)
Apparently, other than it being called a disaster by everyone, NCSOFT are opening 2 new classic servers.
Pretty soon NCSOFT has to release their 2nd quarter earnings, and if there's profitability in the classic servers I'm pretty sure we'll have one open on the west side pretty soon (6 months ish)
Also there's mention in that thread about a confirmation on Facebook for a p2p Russian server.
So... You want C1 server managed by NCWest while they 'struggle' to keep normal servers bot free and limit RMT. And while L2 Classic in Korea is far from a succes, Korean plays complaining about highly nerfed droprates, insane grinds that are 10x harder than Prelude L2.
Good luck. If you wanna play L2 on C1 server migrate to Korea and try your luck there.
Pay to play Classic server on Innova might actually be worth investigating ... while they are not 100% bot free bots/ranger is much more under control over there than it has ever been over here.
So... You want C1 server managed by NCWest while they 'struggle' to keep normal servers bot free and limit RMT. And while L2 Classic in Korea is far from a succes, Korean plays complaining about highly nerfed droprates, insane grinds that are 10x harder than Prelude L2.
Good luck. If you wanna play L2 on C1 server migrate to Korea and try your luck there.
I really don't care who manages the server as long as I can play from Europe on it. I'll most likely go to the first one that opens. After that I'll take into consideration bots and the number of ppl playing.
About moving to Korea... For a game... One would really need to have their head checked by a professional.
About NCWest struggling, if that's true, I don't see it at all. What I do see, is them very happy with the income that the bots provide for them.
I really don't care who manages the server as long as I can play from Europe on it. I'll most likely go to the first one that opens. After that I'll take into consideration bots and the number of ppl playing.
About moving to Korea... For a game... One would really need to have their head checked by a professional.
About NCWest struggling, if that's true, I don't see it at all. What I do see, is them very happy with the income that the bots provide for them.
Just get a Korean ID from a friend and ask them to make an account for you and set it up. It's not like SSN the Korean ID anyway (or at least what my Korean friends told me). If you want to play on the C1 official server in Korea, the adena/drop nerfs are bad as regular server and the lack of all the buffs/luxuries/comforts of the regular server makes it impossible to actually make your way through the game legitimately. Bots rule that server and Korea facedesking at their own stupidity.
To some people a game is a passionate hobby, like people moving to France for their love of fashion, you move to Korea for your love of gaming. Similar concept and different priorities of people.
They aren't. The adena nerfs are intended to promote in store purchases in order to sell and make adena. Unfortunately that forces people to bot to get adena to buy said store items.
Any Update on classic Server I would kill for a p2p classic revamp I've done a lot of reading on how it's just a revamp and how some people love it and some people hate it. I personal love a challenge and would actually like to revisit the "GLORY DAYS" of l2 just want to bring back the old PvP!
BUMP!!! WTB CLASSIC SEVER WITH a SUBSCRIPTING BASED SERVER!!!! ID PAY $15 A MONTH TO PLAY THIS **** WITHOUT AS MANY BOTS. :mad::mad::mad::mad::p:confused::o:):(:rolleyes::D :D:eek::cool:;);):cool::eek::eek:MOTHER ****** GIVE ME MY CLASSIC SERVER!!
PS: even if you don't want a classic server vote for subscription for those that actually want the old model back. Thanks enjoy bot hunting since GMs dont.