The Tug of War between NCsoft and Players

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Last year in February, I felt nostalgic and thought I listen to some good old LineageII music. I don't know why but some part of me was craving for it...the music from hunter's village and elf's village...ahhh.... So, I googled the key word, "lineage2" and to my surprise, not only did I find some music but also found out... Free-To-Play here at NCwest! "FREE??? WOW! Why not! I will take it!" was my initial response and my saga began.

At the beginning, I tried the game old fashion way. My first toon was Feoh Storm and it was hard. I followed the path of awakening quest chains, picked up every drops, did all the dailies and still ran out of Adena for shots...So I made 3 x toons in 3 x different accounts and did the level 65 Goddard dailies as a 3 men party, just so that I could buy shots for my feoh and level him...almost 2 weeks to make him level 85. Eventually, I made many Level 85s to do Zaken and etc. but was in the state of huge disappointment... on how the game has become. Just low drops of adena and items in general and my feoh in Mentee requiem weapon & immortal set did so little damage, even killing the mobs at altar of evil (LvL85 Area) was hard. To kill each mob, it took 5-6 shots even with arcane power. 800 adena per shot x 5 = 4,000 adena and they dropped like...200 adena per kill and some didn't drop anything at all...

So I began my writing here at the forum with the intention of changing the game in the right direction but i must admit, it was mostly about expressing my anger and frustration on how the game has become...

I started spending real money in Nstore for 2 reasons.

1. Only the players who spend money matters for NCsoft - I wanted them to take me seriously. If $10 a month = 1 vote, then $100 a month = 10 vote?
was my reasoning. I played their games and shared my results here at the forum while continued providing them with ideas that I thought were good for Lineage2...
It wasn't about showing off how much money I had...it was about ridiculing low chances of Nstore events and promos but apparently some people started to see me in the wrong way.

2. I am an old man now, not as young as in my 20s. Grinding for farming...yeah I've done it in the past but I am not so young any more and most importantly don't got 24/7 to play LineageII any more...like I used to. It's like I can spend 100 hrs farming in Lineage2 or I can work 1 hr in real life and just pay Nstore, and they both produce the same results.

Yeah, a lot of times I was upset and disappointed about their chances, almost to the point, the events had some bugs in them which they didn't know! and I had to tell them!

When I first started writing here at the forum, I had noticed how deserted forum was...it was like 1 new post every 2 weeks?...almost. Anyways, I didn't care if somebody read or not, I just wrote and wrote for months..until people started reading and replying and even posting their own threads. Yeah, some liked my writings and many didn't but in the end, it all worked out to be O.K. I think. We got people in the forum now and I see many returners in Lineage2.

At the beginning, people told me, "Why are you writing this? Don't you know NC never reads the forum?" "No matter what we talk about here, nothing will ever change. You are just wasting your time." Yeah...it was quite discouraging but I just kept moving forward...taking the hits.
However, what I didn't know and expect was my impact on the game. Prior to the last years hungry horse event, I criticized Low event chances over and over almost everyday like minimum 10 x posts a week, that last year the hungry horse gave 10 X soul fragments and many tauti, kelbim weapons...the server had the abundance of soul bottles and fragments that Valakas bottle was 1B and anthy bottle 1.5B and kelbim daggers selling at
4-5B and tauti 6-7B. Same thing at alien event...just better chances than previous events. But this year? I made a post on NO more Kelbim and Tauti, and to my surpise...They actually listened! This year's hungry horse event had No kelbim or Tauti and only 1-3 soul fragments instead of 10 x frags last year LOL!

I made this post

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290067

and indeed, no kelbim and tauti were included in the prize list this years.
TY Juji!

Over the years, Yes...I've changed.
At the beginning I was pure...still hoping for P2P making things fair for all...

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=288048

Yes, I am still the same person but with different approach in asserting my ideas and new thoughts.

Hmm...how should I put this? cunning? I'd say... wiser for sure.
Now you people need to understand, when I make a post crying about low chances of something, it's in your best interest to support me and cry with me. I tried to improve the success chance of making the Longing talisman but apparently failed cuz so many people didn't support my claim...You know something? Unless we make demands to NC, nothing will change. So, I guess nuffed longing chances will stay the same, and no1 will try to make Desire
--> Longing ever again in game, and people will just buy it from some Nstore events....
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290177

I even tried to improve Tank Class by making fun of how low damage they do...again, you were supposed to cry with me, not against me if you ever wanted tank class to have better damage, enough so that they never lose aggro to any DD and enough so that they can solo in 100+ areas.

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3541071#post3541071

This is the one post that I didn't expect to have a huge impact in L2.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=289843

After this post, many veteran L2 players left the game, selling the Bloody&Dark gears cheap, not just in NCwest but in Korea also...yeah apparently some Korean people took my writing to their heart and even translated and paraphrased my writing in their Korean Lineage2 forum. The consequence of this was... Lost Adena value by 50% and 50% lost price value of Bloody & Dark Gears in Korea since many..many people left Lineage2. When I realized this, I had to do something. Damage control? yeah, my recently posts have been pro-NCsoft, hoping to heal the wounded hearts of Lineage2 players. Sigh...

LOL sorry if I sound like crazy and taking the credit more than I deserve. To be honest, I don't think I am the 100% reason behind the actual things happening but I think I make that initial 1%, the seed of original thoughts, and there seem to be smarter people out there who know how to continue, fill in the gaps and improve my ideas making the other 99%.

Sorry people that I don't have +10 shirt LOL! I don't know where you got the idea but now I only spend Ncoins only when it's worth spending. I am not addicted to gambling no more. I mean look at the skills of shiny elemental shirts, 25-30 minutes CD??? Are you kidding me? 25-30 CD is like one time use only; so to me, those are nice toy-skills for fun, nothing more and definitely not worth spending Ncoins when considering how ridiculously low chance they were last year. Yeah...Last year I failed like 6 times trying to make +7 and I got so mad that I didn't even try for +7 after. Instead I have 8 x +6 shirts on alts & +7 maphr's shirt on dorfie now. so 8 x +6 and 1 x +7 from last year for me. This year? I didn't bother. (If 5-10 minute CD, then yeah I would've gone for +10.)

Anyways, I feel more responsible now for what I write. I just thought I explain some stuff to the people who are new to the forum.

Just remember.
Your thoughts matter.
So don't be afraid to express yourself.
Your thoughts make your reality.
You become what you think about most of the time - Brian Tracey.
After this post, many veteran L2 players left the game, selling the Bloody&Dark gears cheap, not just in NCwest but in Korea also...yeah apparently some Korean people took my writing to their heart and even translated and paraphrased my writing in their Korean Lineage2 forum.

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the delusional "wait for it" forum warrior strikes again!

dream seeker is really living a dream, i think we should promote him to forum HEROE now heuaehuaehuaheuaheauehaueaheuaheuahe
How can i put somebody on my ignore list ?
I actually dont want even hear about tanks dps...
Its tanks its not only must have low dps in basic its also must be limited in additional lol...
What will be next? lets make Iss&Aeore classes dps? :P

but ok... Man i actually read whole post...
But cant get what do you want...
Can you be more specific?
Like 1)Describe problem than how you want to fix it...
2)Next problem than how you want to fix it...
I actually also dont know how the hell you can QQ about Kelbim/Tauti weaps which are actually just middle in game....
Or what you mean in p2p and how you want to add it to l2 when l2 isnot even ready for it...
Once again lol.... There are many p2p games... and its ANOTHER games, not like l2 lol, another in everything... To make l2 p2p need complete change of not only every story/description/appearances and etc also need change game mechanics in core... It will not be l2 anymore...
Or what do you mean in p2p?! How you see it?! Explain lol...
You cant just say that: Hey Juji make p2p...
Describe what you want in details...
And use your brain and think what can happen if changes take place... at least 2 step forward! god **** it... (Ofc if you have brain)
Last year in February, I felt nostalgic and thought I listen to some good old LineageII music. I don't know why but some part of me was craving for it...the music from hunter's village and elf's village...ahhh.... So, I googled the key word, "lineage2" and to my surprise, not only did I find some music but also found out... Free-To-Play here at NCwest! "FREE??? WOW! Why not! I will take it!" was my initial response and my saga began.

At the beginning, I tried the game old fashion way. My first toon was Feoh Storm and it was hard. I followed the path of awakening quest chains, picked up every drops, did all the dailies and still ran out of Adena for shots...So I made 3 x toons in 3 x different accounts and did the level 65 Goddard dailies as a 3 men party, just so that I could buy shots for my feoh and level him...almost 2 weeks to make him level 85. Eventually, I made many Level 85s to do Zaken and etc. but was in the state of huge disappointment... on how the game has become. Just low drops of adena and items in general and my feoh in Mentee requiem weapon & immortal set did so little damage, even killing the mobs at altar of evil (LvL85 Area) was hard. To kill each mob, it took 5-6 shots even with arcane power. 800 adena per shot x 5 = 4,000 adena and they dropped like...200 adena per kill and some didn't drop anything at all...

So I began my writing here at the forum with the intention of changing the game in the right direction but i must admit, it was mostly about expressing my anger and frustration on how the game has become...

I started spending real money in Nstore for 2 reasons.

1. Only the players who spend money matters for NCsoft - I wanted them to take me seriously. If $10 a month = 1 vote, then $100 a month = 10 vote?
was my reasoning. I played their games and shared my results here at the forum while continued providing them with ideas that I thought were good for Lineage2...
It wasn't about showing off how much money I had...it was about ridiculing low chances of Nstore events and promos but apparently some people started to see me in the wrong way.

2. I am an old man now, not as young as in my 20s. Grinding for farming...yeah I've done it in the past but I am not so young any more and most importantly don't got 24/7 to play LineageII any more...like I used to. It's like I can spend 100 hrs farming in Lineage2 or I can work 1 hr in real life and just pay Nstore, and they both produce the same results.

Yeah, a lot of times I was upset and disappointed about their chances, almost to the point, the events had some bugs in them which they didn't know! and I had to tell them!

When I first started writing here at the forum, I had noticed how deserted forum was...it was like 1 new post every 2 weeks?...almost. Anyways, I didn't care if somebody read or not, I just wrote and wrote for months..until people started reading and replying and even posting their own threads. Yeah, some liked my writings and many didn't but in the end, it all worked out to be O.K. I think. We got people in the forum now and I see many returners in Lineage2.

At the beginning, people told me, "Why are you writing this? Don't you know NC never reads the forum?" "No matter what we talk about here, nothing will ever change. You are just wasting your time." Yeah...it was quite discouraging but I just kept moving forward...taking the hits.
However, what I didn't know and expect was my impact on the game. Prior to the last years hungry horse event, I criticized Low event chances over and over almost everyday like minimum 10 x posts a week, that last year the hungry horse gave 10 X soul fragments and many tauti, kelbim weapons...the server had the abundance of soul bottles and fragments that Valakas bottle was 1B and anthy bottle 1.5B and kelbim daggers selling at
4-5B and tauti 6-7B. Same thing at alien event...just better chances than previous events. But this year? I made a post on NO more Kelbim and Tauti, and to my surpise...They actually listened! This year's hungry horse event had No kelbim or Tauti and only 1-3 soul fragments instead of 10 x frags last year LOL!

I made this post

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290067

and indeed, no kelbim and tauti were included in the prize list this years.
TY Juji!

Over the years, Yes...I've changed.
At the beginning I was pure...still hoping for P2P making things fair for all...

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=288048

Yes, I am still the same person but with different approach in asserting my ideas and new thoughts.

Hmm...how should I put this? cunning? I'd say... wiser for sure.
Now you people need to understand, when I make a post crying about low chances of something, it's in your best interest to support me and cry with me. I tried to improve the success chance of making the Longing talisman but apparently failed cuz so many people didn't support my claim...You know something? Unless we make demands to NC, nothing will change. So, I guess nuffed longing chances will stay the same, and no1 will try to make Desire
--> Longing ever again in game, and people will just buy it from some Nstore events....
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290177

I even tried to improve Tank Class by making fun of how low damage they do...again, you were supposed to cry with me, not against me if you ever wanted tank class to have better damage, enough so that they never lose aggro to any DD and enough so that they can solo in 100+ areas.

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3541071#post3541071

This is the one post that I didn't expect to have a huge impact in L2.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=289843

After this post, many veteran L2 players left the game, selling the Bloody&Dark gears cheap, not just in NCwest but in Korea also...yeah apparently some Korean people took my writing to their heart and even translated and paraphrased my writing in their Korean Lineage2 forum. The consequence of this was... Lost Adena value by 50% and 50% lost price value of Bloody & Dark Gears in Korea since many..many people left Lineage2. When I realized this, I had to do something. Damage control? yeah, my recently posts have been pro-NCsoft, hoping to heal the wounded hearts of Lineage2 players. Sigh...

LOL sorry if I sound like crazy and taking the credit more than I deserve. To be honest, I don't think I am the 100% reason behind the actual things happening but I think I make that initial 1%, the seed of original thoughts, and there seem to be smarter people out there who know how to continue, fill in the gaps and improve my ideas making the other 99%.

Sorry people that I don't have +10 shirt LOL! I don't know where you got the idea but now I only spend Ncoins only when it's worth spending. I am not addicted to gambling no more. I mean look at the skills of shiny elemental shirts, 25-30 minutes CD??? Are you kidding me? 25-30 CD is like one time use only; so to me, those are nice toy-skills for fun, nothing more and definitely not worth spending Ncoins when considering how ridiculously low chance they were last year. Yeah...Last year I failed like 6 times trying to make +7 and I got so mad that I didn't even try for +7 after. Instead I have 8 x +6 shirts on alts & +7 maphr's shirt on dorfie now. so 8 x +6 and 1 x +7 from last year for me. This year? I didn't bother. (If 5-10 minute CD, then yeah I would've gone for +10.)

Anyways, I feel more responsible now for what I write. I just thought I explain some stuff to the people who are new to the forum.

Just remember.
Your thoughts matter.
So don't be afraid to express yourself.
Your thoughts make your reality.
You become what you think about most of the time - Brian Tracey.

Juji plz give to this noob one +20 weapons +10 arrmor full jewe set and 9999999999999 bilion for stop he cry to forum I can't hear him anymore
How can i put somebody on my ignore list ?

go to your profile and click on ignore list
How can i put somebody on my ignore list ?

Sorry if my posting was too long for you and you got a headache; and sorry again if I wounded your Korean Pride(in case you are.)
Juji plz give to this noob one +20 weapons +10 arrmor full jewe set and 9999999999999 bilion for stop he cry to forum I can't hear him anymore

WOW LOL This is a very interesting suggestion! LOL
I know it's a sarcasm but it's an interesting one. What will I do if Juji gives me +20 weapon, +10 armor set, Full boss Jewels and Max Adena and ASLO MAKE MY character instant LvL 105!???

I think I will be very very very HAPPY for 1 day but for ONE DAY ONLY; and then the next day, I will probably quit Lineage2 cuz... nothing to do.

Although my ultimate goals in lineage2 are having the best endgame gears and max level eventually, its the process itself that I value the most. There has been people who offered me power-leveling in the past. It was something that took me awhile to figure out the answer, something very tempting but my answers have been always NO. For me, leveling only means something if I do it myself. Long time ago, I remember playing DiabloII, and I was killing Diablo for the very first time. A level 65 sorcerer friend thought he was helping me and killed the Diablo for me...you know something? I ended up deleting that first character and remade the same one just so that I could do it myself.

If I buy all the gears in Lineage2 and also buy Powerleveling with money, then what's the point in playing? Can I honestly say to myself, I've played Lineage2???

For me, Nstore is there to help me enjoy the game without getting stressed that's all. I don't try and rely everything on Nstore only. I do some farming myself and when I turn in my loots and get 5B in the inventory, that 5B is worth more than 50B from Nstore.
I actually dont want even hear about tanks dps...
Its tanks its not only must have low dps in basic its also must be limited in additional lol...
What will be next? lets make Iss&Aeore classes dps? :P

but ok... Man i actually read whole post...
But cant get what do you want...
Can you be more specific?
Like 1)Describe problem than how you want to fix it...
2)Next problem than how you want to fix it...
I actually also dont know how the hell you can QQ about Kelbim/Tauti weaps which are actually just middle in game....
Or what you mean in p2p and how you want to add it to l2 when l2 isnot even ready for it...
Once again lol.... There are many p2p games... and its ANOTHER games, not like l2 lol, another in everything... To make l2 p2p need complete change of not only every story/description/appearances and etc also need change game mechanics in core... It will not be l2 anymore...
Or what do you mean in p2p?! How you see it?! Explain lol...
You cant just say that: Hey Juji make p2p...
Describe what you want in details...
And use your brain and think what can happen if changes take place... at least 2 step forward! god **** it... (Ofc if you have brain)

Sorry for rather comprehensive posting.
Thanks for the suggestions though, I will try to be more specific and direct in the future.
If I buy all the gears in Lineage2 and also buy Powerleveling with money, then what's the point in playing? Can I honestly say to myself, I've played Lineage2???


u already done it moron, man? how can u be that stupid? look what u wrote, u already wrote more bs on this thread saying u tried the hard way and gave up


For me, Nstore is there to help me enjoy the game without getting stressed that's all. I don't try and rely everything on Nstore only. I do some farming myself and when I turn in my loots and get 5B in the inventory, that 5B is worth more than 50B from Nstore.

after this, i wont answer a ******* thread that u make, u sounds like a ret**d person with a regular job with nothing to do besides l2 and yet u paid all the way to end game instead of play....YES REGULAR JOB, BECAUSE OF STUFF U WRITE, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOUR INTELLIGENCE.

welcome to my ignore list with noneknows, u are no different from him.
welcome to my ignore list with noneknows, u are no different from him.
Either work for it
or Pay for it
even if you had end game gear you would still SUX

We will NEVER Customize this Game to Fit your Idiotic Goals to become HERO
it's to Late ... if you can't figure how to make Adena the Old School way than you are a
MORON!

Stop RAGE BREAKING Armor and Weapons
Life isn't FREE2PLAY grow up
Sorry for rather comprehensive posting.
Thanks for the suggestions though, I will try to be more specific and direct in the future.
DreamSeeker
you must realize some of the lineage 2 players
come from a lower income household

stop being the rich kid with all the wonderful toys
yelling look at what I GOT!

what do you do for a living?

It's Called Empathy - put yourself in the shoes of a Player who is playing LEGIT and can only afford $25.00 a month or less
he can't find a group... he spends hours a day browsing the markets , and looks at all the things everyone else has
than comes here for LIFE lessons from You and I. How long can he take it?
DreamSeeker
you must realize some of the lineage 2 players
come from a lower income household

stop being the rich kid with all the wonderful toys
yelling look at what I GOT!

what do you do for a living?

It's Called Empathy - put yourself in the shoes of a Player who is playing LEGIT and can only afford $25.00 a month or less
he can't find a group... he spends hours a day browsing the markets , and looks at all the things everyone else has
than comes here for LIFE lessons from You and I. How long can he take it?

Thank you very much for your 'words of wisdom.' I really appreciate them.

I think everybody has different standards and different views. When I chose to spend money at Nstore, moving from Truly pure and hardcore L2 player...to be honest, I had to swallow my pride. Cuz then I knew L2 would never be the same for me and I would lose half the fun of playing, achieving my goals of getting gears with honest hard work. It's the choice I made but I don't regret it.
And here is the thing. I don't judge people because they don't have my standard. I see people less geared than me because they chose to and I see people who are way more stacked, better geared than me cuz they chose to, and I don't judge them. I respect them all for their choices. I don't look down upon the people cuz of their poor gear and I don't get jealous towards the people with better gears. Maybe the guy in ghetto gear is in fact, in real life, a billionaire and maybe the guy in stacked gear is, in real life, sold his house & car and quite possibly his wife for Ncoins...who knows?

It's not the gears that I look when I choose my friends in game. Loyalty, Kindness, understanding heart, those are what I value the most.

It's kinda sad to see people with victim mentality. They are angry all the time, always looking for a reason to fight and they blame me for everything...but I don't get upset because I know they are not fighting me, they are fighting themselves. Although I'd like to help them, I just avoid them since my time in this life is limited. Hopefully someday, they will realize they already have enough stuff in them to make them happy.
On the other hand, I see some obnoxious rich people. They have everything and yet so empty inside. It's like their only goal in life is to impress other rich people...truly sad. Most of my past threads had been about ridiculing Nstore events, but I must admit...yeah...I was kinda like that sometimes.
I think I got carried away LOL.
Thank you very much for your 'words of wisdom.' I really appreciate them.

I think everybody has different standards and different views. When I chose to spend money at Nstore, moving from Truly pure and hardcore L2 player...to be honest, I had to swallow my pride. Cuz then I knew L2 would never be the same for me and I would lose half the fun of playing, achieving my goals of getting gears with honest hard work. It's the choice I made but I don't regret it.
And here is the thing. I don't judge people because they don't have my standard. I see people less geared than me because they chose to and I see people who are way more stacked, better geared than me cuz they chose to, and I don't judge them. I respect them all for their choices. I don't look down upon the people cuz of their poor gear and I don't get jealous towards the people with better gears. Maybe the guy in ghetto gear is in fact, in real life, a billionaire and maybe the guy in stacked gear is, in real life, sold his house & car and quite possibly his wife for Ncoins...who knows?

It's not the gears that I look when I choose my friends in game. Loyalty, Kindness, understanding heart, those are what I value the most.

It's kinda sad to see people with victim mentality. They are angry all the time, always looking for a reason to fight and they blame me for everything...but I don't get upset because I know they are not fighting me, they are fighting themselves. Although I'd like to help them, I just avoid them since my time in this life is limited. Hopefully someday, they will realize they already have enough stuff in them to make them happy.
On the other hand, I see some obnoxious rich people. They have everything and yet so empty inside. It's like their only goal in life is to impress other rich people...truly sad. Most of my past threads had been about ridiculing Nstore events, but I must admit...yeah...I was kinda like that sometimes.
I think I got carried away LOL.

people that have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
A narcissistic personality causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.
Narcissistic personality treatment is centered around talk therapy
maybe you need to talk
it's nothing to be ashamed of
if you have family go to them and talk about it
i'm wrong all the time please don't be offended here's a song i think you would like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

ya.....thats Robbin Williams (funniest man ever ....he was able to make a ape laugh)
people that have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
A narcissistic personality causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.
Narcissistic personality treatment is centered around talk therapy
maybe you need to talk
it's nothing to be ashamed of
if you have family go to them and talk about it
i'm wrong all the time please don't be offended here's a song i think you would like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

ya.....thats Robbin Williams (funniest man ever ....he was able to make a ape laugh)

It's kinda hard to draw the line between self-confidence and narcissism but Wow...this is something. I've never thought about that.
Hey, thnx for the music. I like it.