I think this is good news in one way. Since we assume that NCsoft have future plans to make Lineage2 "Free 2 Play" and most certain also implement Micro Transaction System by NCcoin, this is strategic move to make that change smooth and easy. Parts of that has shown to be a profitable concept with other NCsoft games.
What seems to be a bit strange is that NCsoft choose to make only one server for NA and one for EU. It might be a bit tight and the political climate to boil up in the beginning. This will most certain to result in a loss of PvE players.
Personally I think its exiting news.
L2 never will be f2p...L1 is still p2p. I dont think a big enterprise like ncsoft will ever make l2 f2p..unfair for the people who payed hundreds of euros to play for years in they servers. Also they would loose a lot of income. So all of this doesnt make any sense
Or better yet take off the monthly fee and it might save lineage 2 from just completely tanking and might even bring back more people who will buy the game again! Otherwise Peace!
If you cant afford to play L2, there are free games.
Stop making silly suggestions just because you are poor.
I dont care about castles, wards, heroes and other stuff - it can be changed.
But what about names ? First who log take name ? So if I will be fast - I log and rename my alts to name of top players and later sell them names (by deleting toons) for $$$ ?
And second question - did you fix bug with possibility to set bid for CH over maximum bid? I guess that no. So some people who know this bug will take all CH at new server and sell them to big clans for $$$. And anyway it's not a problem even to small clan to find money for max bid. Just need to be fast and know some "tricks"
So players who write here like "big clans must have CH, not small clans" will come with their 100500 clan members to take fortress or in best case - pvp-type CH.
Are you telling us that when the merge of servers, the Clan Hall that the guild has achieved after much effort from all members of the clan, we will lose and we will not be able to get another because there is not enough Adena to buy another to those who cheat in the game?
Are you telling us that when the merge of servers, the Clan Hall that the guild has achieved after much effort from all members of the clan, we will lose and we will not be able to get another because there is not enough Adena to buy another to those who cheat in the game?
It's crazy.
That is exactly what happened during the last merges.
The current clan hall owners got a refund, but not every clan got it at the merge and missed out on the CH bidding.
So enjoy your CH while you can because in few weeks it goes bye bye.
It's crazy, unfair and unbelievable that this happens.
Just wait until you login to find out that your character name has been taken by some other player, or your clan is forced to change clan/alliance name because it's taken.
It's crazy, unfair and unbelievable that this happens.
If they truly wanted to be pro-players, they would simply award the most active clans with the clan halls. A clan hall as a rare resource in the game should be granted to those who would actually use it, not some guy who has a 1-party clan and adena from who-knows-where who got in first bid because they have no private life.
I'd say forbid all clans less than level 9 (or 10) from bidding on clan halls at all, at least.
And even better, just look at activity in terms of logins / XP accumulated / quests completed / fame points accrued - something like that and give them out for starters.
This adena / bidding system is way way obsolete, particularly with such a dramatic merge.
L2 never will be f2p...L1 is still p2p. I dont think a big enterprise like ncsoft will ever make l2 f2p..unfair for the people who payed hundreds of euros to play for years in they servers. Also they would loose a lot of income. So all of this doesnt make any sense
dude have you seen the Russian servers they have 12 full servers, the game its F2P and for some weird reason they manage to make a profit and still have enough cash to maintain all those servers with a free game, just because its free to play does not mean they are not going to have ways to make money, for instance right now you pay $15 per month to play your toon, if the game goes F2P they could change it in a way where you pay $10 per month on your account to get the benefit of more EXP/Drops/Spoils, hell I will be glad to pay for that, and since a lot of new ppl will come from private servers all the money that NCsoft loses with that ppl will finally come to their vault, in a short time they are going to have to open new server in order to hold all the new population can you imagine log into the game and see 12+ servers listed with a medium or high status at all time that have to be really awesome
Just wait until you login to find out that your character name has been taken by some other player, or your clan is forced to change clan/alliance name because it's taken.
Oh nOOoOOoOOOOOOoOOoooOOOOoooooOOOOoo
if that happens I will emorage for a long time, then emoquit or maybe emoslashwrists and quit life as a whole.
Seriously ... drama queen much?
dude have you seen the Russian servers they have 12 full servers, the game its F2P and for some weird reason they manage to make a profit and still have enough cash to maintain all those servers with a free game, just because its free to play does not mean they are not going to have ways to make money, for instance right now you pay $15 per month to play your toon, if the game goes F2P they could change it in a way where you pay $10 per month on your account to get the benefit of more EXP/Drops/Spoils, hell I will be glad to pay for that, and since a lot of new ppl will come from private servers all the money that NCsoft loses with that ppl will finally come to their vault, in a short time they are going to have to open new server in order to hold all the new population can you imagine log into the game and see 12+ servers listed with a medium or high status at all time that have to be really awesome
Russian servers are successful cause
a) the game is popular in russia
b) russians HATE playing with non-russian speakers in a non-russian speaking environment
c) it's ONE country so they can do all that charge 10000 soulshots s to your cellphone ****
d) they have no laws, a game publisher owns your computer and can do whatever they want. Fortunately the rest of the world has some laws with regards to that
If they truly wanted to be pro-players, they would simply award the most active clans with the clan halls. A clan hall as a rare resource in the game should be granted to those who would actually use it, not some guy who has a 1-party clan and adena from who-knows-where who got in first bid because they have no private life.
I'd say forbid all clans less than level 9 (or 10) from bidding on clan halls at all, at least.
And even better, just look at activity in terms of logins / XP accumulated / quests completed / fame points accrued - something like that and give them out for starters.
This adena / bidding system is way way obsolete, particularly with such a dramatic merge.
Why 9 or 10? I know many clans who are level 8 that are more active then dead level 10 clans. So im sorry thats no very good idea. My clan is very active but we are only level 8 we are currently working on 9.
To all of these who cry and feel pitty for the small legit clans:
How much IQ is needed so after the merge all the small legit clans merge/allied to 150-200 so they can proceed with the game in a more effective way than before?
Smaller clans enjoy being smaller in some cases, if it were back to the previous alliance way of 12 clans. i would think our alliance would probably be with 10 or so.
So if these merges work the same as last time the user who logs in first and takes the name gets to keep it right, the other guy has to choose a new name. I have three questions for NC/other players:
1. Could this happen:
Player A (Smith - Aria)
Player B (Smith - Devianne)
Player C (Buck - Devianne)
Player D (Buck - Bartz)
Player E (Buck - Sayha)
Player A logs in first takes Smith, player B logs in and finds his name unavailable he tries to chose a new name (Buck)
What happens if Player C, D, E all havent logged in to figure out who gets the name. If Player B tries to get Buck prior to those players will he get the name?
Just wondering cause im sure some players you've banned that have new accounts may very well want their original names back.
2. Essentially this merger is giving everyone a free name changes, heres the question:
Account 1
Dev - Buck Lvl 75
Say - Buck lvl 1
Bar - Buck Lvl 1
Pho - Buck Lvl 1
Aria - Buck lvl 1
Say you have your name on each server held with level 1 name holders, and you log into 1 of those 5 to keep it active so it wont get deleted.
If you log into one of the level ones, Day of merge you log in now you have
Buck1 lvl 75
Buck2 lvl 1
You could select Buck for the level 1 and give yourself a free name change right?
3. Will the name changes be registered on your name change list?
If you cant afford to play L2, there are free games.
Stop making silly suggestions just because you are poor.
Its not worth my money to pay for this **** game with nothing in it to do anything but sit around and watch people who bot get everything and those that dont get stuck on the downside of scraps.
On a flip side, watching enmity and nova going at it again would be hilarious...matter of fact i might even decide to come back and watch the fray!
Its not worth my money to pay for this **** game with nothing in it to do anything but sit around and watch people who bot get everything and those that dont get stuck on the downside of scraps.
On a flip side, watching enmity and nova going at it again would be hilarious...matter of fact i might even decide to come back and watch the fray!
Taking bets whos got the better programs!
Bregan and RDogs on Aria as specialists with radar and controll oh and various bot trains in catas and other places.
Regarding the Clan Hall issue for the new servers, will NC Soft open up the dormant clan halls in all the towns? I know in Aden/Giran/Oren there are places where new clan halls can be added but the doors are shut and its just taking up memory space. If you open these up, more clan, both big and small, with have a higher chance of getting a clan hall, even if it isn't in the most ideal location.
And again regarding the Clan Hall issue for NA players, please make it 2 NA servers and 1 Euro. That way it gives people a bit more room to move around if they would like to.
Great move... I expected two servers, but this is even better with one!
pve players or even less hardcore pvp players should not worry
think about all of the things they added in the game that avoid any possibility of PVP
+instanced zaken raids (plural)
+instanced frintezza
+instanced kamalokas
+instanced SOI raids
+instanced SOD raid
+probably some things that I missed
daily quests which are in solo areas and not hard to do with clans without 2 way wars (people are not going to go out of their way to pk complete randoms most of the time)
You can literally spend all day doing all of those things everytime you login, so relax, you guys have chicken little syndrome.
1 server will be fun, sieges will be full again, at least for a while. Welcome it
The biggest drawback is some good clans won't get CH's, but most of the clans who cannot afford CH's are bad clans and should be absorbed anyways through the game's progression. PVE clans don't need CH's either, as their most important function is bsoeing red characters from PVP.
I love to pvp for exp spots, I miss C5/interlude where we'd exp all day, and gain no exp because there was so much pvp/death/training/buffed mobs/overbuff etc in FOG
What the hell does a pve clan possibly need a CH for? the buffs are **** and the ports are available at GK's,
BSOE from mobs? are you kidding me? who dies in pve anymore, and who needs rez? most people in high end just click village if they need to
or, Do you really need a Shark Hat that badly?
What a joke.
A PvE clans takes allot greater risks than the PvP clans does during grinding, having the option to cheaply BSOE to CH instead of getting -1-4% on death from mobs is a great option...not to mention that some of the CH's has good teleports to hunting grounds.
The one going red has him self to blame if he gets killed and drops his precious Baium or what ever junk he may have.
Oh and the 50% rez that the CH has is far more usefull to a PvE clan that takes the full exp loss in PvE than the pathetic loss you get in a two way war.
The big joke here are the big botted up PvP clans that can't even boil water without the help of their mother.
What the hell does a pve clan possibly need a CH for? the buffs are **** and the ports are available at GK's,
BSOE from mobs? are you kidding me? who dies in pve anymore, and who needs rez? most people in high end just click village if they need to
or, Do you really need a Shark Hat that badly?
What a joke.
Nobody in this game NEEDS a clan hall. They are available and obtainable so they are wanted. It gives a clan a sense of ownership to something regardless if they are PvP or PvE oriented.
Just because you're a PvE clan doesn't mean you never see PvP either, so what's wrong with having a BSOE point if you or your party is getting rolled?
And since when do you NEED a clan hall if you go red? What are you scared of if you need a clan hall to BSOE to? Awww, poor wittle red person had to BSOE to his wittle cwan hall 'cause he was scared? If you're PvP and went red, deal with it, it was your choice.
Same can be said about PvE clans...if something goes terribly wrong during a raid or whatever - suck it up buttercups! It was your choice to do it in the first place.
In either case you have a nice BSOE option if you own a clan hall.
What the hell does a pve clan possibly need a CH for?
CH SoE, 50% rez, Snow Fenrir (why would a PvP clan possibly need that?) and, yes, buffs.
BSOE from mobs? are you kidding me? who dies in pve anymore,
One that soloes with a bad connection. Or one that wants to explore. Or one that was griefed with a cancel stick... you name it.
and who needs rez? most people in high end just click village if they need to
That's because those are PvP deaths.
or, Do you really need a Shark Hat that badly?
Why not?
Who say that top clan will get CH ?) For example I have 20b. I will make 10 clans lvl 3 (but I think lvl 1 is enogh to bid for CH) with alts and come make bid asap when server will be up.
And even if bug with overbid fixed, as I know all clans with maximum bid will participate in random who will select 1 clan to receive CH. So you big clan have same chance to get CH as my alt clan. It's ok if I will get just 2-3 CH from 10 bids. And other big clans can go QQ about lost CH. Do you like this scenario ?
:) so much drama
Better be sure you have 2.1B in your clanwarehouse and a fast/stable I-net so you can log in fast after merge ^^
If you are that desparate for having a CH for your clan a free tip: make alt toons with names of all clanleaders in other servers. You can win a little time b/c they have to think for a different name and you can make first bet for CH :)
Or just join a clan that have a clanhall
hahaha seriously if the drama is allready like this even before merge I can not wait to see what happens when merge is there. Epic drama. You gotta love this game. ^^
Will be fun!
I stay , It will be a true Chaos at the merge , The must powerfull clan / ally of Bartz ,
Sayha , Aria , Phoenix , Devianne will be in a big fight for the rules of the server , PvP anywhere and anytime betwen them , it will be Hardcore pvp and i don't want miss thats.
For the CH ? there is War CH and fortress,so just fight to get a fortress,they are there to be taken in pvp atleast.
What will be fun its Enmity , WildEagle , ImmortalNight , Bregan and Midgets will want surly get back Aden castle, it will be an Epic battle between 5 big clan/ ally .
Its true for the other castel too but i speak aboute aden because usualy its the must powerfull clan who's get this one so : the must epic battle .
It will be more hard for all big clan / ally to get the hero stats cause actualy each server count 3 - 4 maybe 5 powerfull clan which make scary the other clan and now all will be in the same server.... Hiaaa! it will rox!
I would LOVE to see the Aria heros cry when they aren't hero for the next 3 months and quit. I'm sick of people feeding them in Oly every single month just so they can be hero. I also look forward to seeing some of the big pvp clans get a run for their money for once. My clans probably will lose the clan halls,but I've played years in this game with no clan hall and managed just fine without it.
However PvE clans like clan halls just as much as anyone else you know. Not all of them give crappy buffs. If you don't have anyone to rez you it's nice to at least get some XP back over nothing. To a legit PvE clan to own a clan hall does bring a sense of accomplishment. It means we earned that hall and maintain occupancy of that hall. Some of the port spots in the those halls you can't get from a regular teleport NPC. If you're so worried about your gear them slap on some CI junk and go nuts. OMG you just might have to spend time doing the sineater quest!
This game is old and this merge will spice things up like back in the day and everyone keeps whining about how the game used to be....well this is the moment people dust off your pvp toon and gather up some CI and stop crying.
People want clan halls cause they are in game and in limited supply, therefore desirable. People don't need clan halls, I was in full wars with no clan hall for like a year, exping and pvping, can't say it was a big deal.
As to who deserves it ... big clans deserve them more than small clans, and yes most big clans have a couple of alt clans and yes those alt clans will bid for clan halls too. Deal with it. You got to deal with the way the game is, if your little irrelevant clan gets a hall fine, if not either deal with it, quit, or try to find another insignificant pve clan that did manage to get a ch and merge with them. Just quit whining about it.
And that stupidity about bots bidding for CHs is just that .. stupidity ... no bot can bid for a ch. What will happen though is organized clans will have their alts login and bid for clan halls, say my clan has 10 people with lvl 3 alt clans that can bid for a clan hall and your clan has 1 guess who will get the clan halls? It's simple ... you just don't grasp that by being in that little pve clan, no alt clans and no money, you only get 1 chance to bid for it. Big clans have 10 different people bidding for it and simple math will tell you odds are against you.
1Peri1 you clearly don't understand this game. The servers will be two sided within 2 weeks of mergers, both the NA and Euro one. The 2 biggest/strongest sides will just absorb the "strong" chars/clans from the dead servers. Most are already negotiating.
People want clan halls cause they are in game and in limited supply, therefore desirable. People don't need clan halls, I was in full wars with no clan hall for like a year, exping and pvping, can't say it was a big deal.
As to who deserves it ... big clans deserve them more than small clans, and yes most big clans have a couple of alt clans and yes those alt clans will bid for clan halls too. Deal with it. You got to deal with the way the game is, if your little irrelevant clan gets a hall fine, if not either deal with it, quit, or try to find another insignificant pve clan that did manage to get a ch and merge with them. Just quit whining about it.
And that stupidity about bots bidding for CHs is just that .. stupidity ... no bot can bid for a ch. What will happen though is organized clans will have their alts login and bid for clan halls, say my clan has 10 people with lvl 3 alt clans that can bid for a clan hall and your clan has 1 guess who will get the clan halls? It's simple ... you just don't grasp that by being in that little pve clan, no alt clans and no money, you only get 1 chance to bid for it. Big clans have 10 different people bidding for it and simple math will tell you odds are against you.
That's exactly well said. Most of us have been through this already. Whatever changes they make to this for the merge it'll still basically be the same. I will tell you right now we're planning to make our chances for our halls. If we lose them well we had just as much chance as anyone else did.
STOP CRYING AND PLAY! ****.. as said previously less servers means more control for GM's. More control, less 3rd party program violators. Less bots.. Not only that but its going to take us back to the beginning when you actually had to compete to level in a spot. Quit crying because the game isnt easy for you.. go play WoW if you want that. :rolleyes:
yea but PvP then was more fun as there were no elements, epics, imba lvl differences, oe'd skills, prophecies, etc. etc.
the game was much more fun back then
but i dont think the main complaint (at least from me anyways) is the physical number of people on the servers, its more of the way they will handle everything else such as clans with clan skills, clan halls, castles, etc. my guess is they will just say owell too bad to most of those ppl (which maybe doesnt affect us end game players, but why merge servers to 1 if half the clans quit because they lost all the stuff they worked for?)+1
Back in the day you didn't NEED level 85 and full gear to be competitive in pvp, players with 20 level difference and gear difference could still compete, everyone from 52-75 sieged and made an impact on the field.
Now levels are insanely slow and theres a huge high end gear and stat gap. it's easy to lose up to 5 hours of XP in one death. Constant ganks, pvp and stuggles to get hunt spots mean non-competitive players lose out masses, these players are L2's bread and butter, they far outnumber the high end players. With the increase in high end players on each server they'll flood out to take over the spots in the game non-competitive players hunt and push them out.+1
there is way to much "lololol/loooool" in this thread....this post has them both!
If bots and cheaters will still be a problem after the merge, I'm gone...+1
If game were meant for big populations, why all the towns with no clan halls? (just to mention one thing).... even if ppl have been screaming for clan halls in towns like heine and oren for ages, without being taken seriously..... atm theres only clan halls enough for quarter of a server, if even that..... tbh, now u would need to even include clan halls in starter towns to even get CLOSE to have enough to settle the demand.
And Forts arent gonna fix the lack of clan halls either.
Maybe its meant for a decent number of ppl, but not FIVE server populations merged into ONE, its a deathblow to the game.
Something like this woulda been more logic:
Server #1: Sayha, Aira, Bartz.
Server #2: Phoenix, Devianne./agreed
Sorry, but there are a few neutral, pure PvE and legit clans that has over 140 members and are clan level 9+...I bet that over half of them will lose the CH or won't even have a chance to get a CH because of the "uber" PvP clans that has 2-3 inactive alt clans that buys a CH just in case their clan leader gets banned.
NCSoft needs to patroll the bidding and remove any small inactive clans from the bidding list. Going through the log files from the current servers to check each clan to see if it's just an alt clan with 1-4 active members shouldn't be a problem.
And don't tell me that those ***** alt clans deserver a CH more than a fully active neutral PvE clan with over 100 members.+1
... LOL
should have left at least two NA servers.
it will be interesting for a little while, but game will probly be dead 1 month after merge.
I predict mass quitting.
bb hf+1
Ur like talking to brick wall. IF u want to kill ne1 u dont play a dwarf, if u want to craft stuff u do.for once read what is being said before posting.
Sorry, but when you see how well the Russian Official server is dealing with botters and 3rd party program users compared to what NCSoft NA, you may as well throw your money in the fire than giving it to NCBot NA.
I think they use the EULA as toilet paper or something.
at least it will be better than playing with the crybabies that doesn't know how to play the game and needs a computer program to assist them.:D
Also, what will happen to heroes? People will be hero for 4 days and then have it removed?
i don't see why the merge wouldnt be at the end of a month instead of the beginning. Now all clans will have 0 heroes for the month of october. retaking all the reset castles will be fun...
Sure ... merge 5 years old server with a 3 years old one and 2 years .. GG.
1.Any admin played this game ?
2.Bots banned ? Is true ... farmers are banned if we copmere with 4 years ago Teon server. players that use walker to make rainds and siege NOT really. And even if they are banned they have allready backup chars full farmed full epic.
3.Last update is nice but there is no good spot for xp
What Nc Soft did is like this : first EU server Teon 4 years ago 90% boters
-----> made after 3 years Frantz 70% boters -----> made Luna (cant remember boters coz i made a brake but im sure itwas the same story) ------>banned farmers (not walker users) ----> merge servers
Just my personal opinion if any player needs other server he can move ..... i'll not paying my accouts anymore GL.
Also, what will happen to heroes? People will be hero for 4 days and then have it removed?
i don't see why the merge wouldnt be at the end of a month instead of the beginning. Now all clans will have 0 heroes for the month of october. retaking all the reset castles will be fun...
I encourage the rational and constructive conversations that are happening, but lets keep the name calling and petty zings out of it. We have plans that will address some of the major concerns folks are having about the merge process and will share those when they are finalized.
Mergers at the start of the month -> you do september oly, get september oly tokens
Mergers at the end of the month -> you waste a full month doing nothing, no October oly - no October tokens
I encourage the rational and constructive conversations that are happening, but lets keep the name calling and petty zings out of it. We have plans that will address some of the major concerns folks are having about the merge process and will share those when they are finalized.
Thanks!
-Moxie
So just to recap, here soon we can expect an official response on:
What happens to current CH's?
How will NCsoft control the mass purchasing of CH's based on the 2.1bil cap? (programs will win this just as last time)
How will NCsoft handle current castle control?
How will NCsoft handle current forts and siegable ch's?
How will NCsoft handle current Hero's?
How will NCsoft handle the rename issue that many have expressed concerns about? (basically people snagging other's names to resell, etc.)
How will NCsoft handle all clans merging to 1 server and the rename process if needed?
If I find more issues people have mentioned i'll add to the list.
So just to recap, here soon we can expect an official response on:
What happens to current CH's? Returned to NPC, need to be bid upon like last time. I doubt NCSoft can place some sort of restriction on the bidding of CHs.
How will NCsoft control the mass purchasing of CH's based on the 2.1bil cap? (programs will win this just as last time) They cannot. What is to distinguish between a legitimate clan and an alt clan bidding on a CH?
How will NCsoft handle current castle control? All castles returned to NPCs.
How will NCsoft handle current forts and siegable ch's? All forts and siegable ch's returned to NPCs.
How will NCsoft handle current Hero's? Heroes will be reset after merge, and there will be no heroes after Oct 5th for the remainder of the month.
How will NCsoft handle the rename issue that many have expressed concerns about? (basically people snagging other's names to resell, etc.) Who seriously resells names? Although I do try and obtain my prior name, and I cannot. :( OH WELL.
How will NCsoft handle all clans merging to 1 server and the rename process if needed? Petition for name change, how many duplicate clan names are there that are serious clans?
If I find more issues people have mentioned i'll add to the list.
plus, i dont see the purpose of making a clean server start with 4-5 year old chars merging with 2-3 year old chars. the whole things smells of fail imo.
Care to explain how any fortress can be better then an aden or rune clan hall?
And before you answer owning a rune or aden clan + fort > just a fort. You cannot own a fort and castle but you can own a clan hall and castle or clan hall and fort.
Care to explain how any fortress can be better then an aden or rune clan hall?
And before you answer owning a rune or aden clan + fort > just a fort. You cannot own a fort and castle but you can own a clan hall and castle or clan hall and fort.
fortresses give fame, ke, and a dungeon.
clan halls dont.
castles have nothing to do with the question, as castles are obviously better than ch's and forts.
castles have nothing to do with the question, as castles are obviously better than ch's and forts.
great... you only get a dungeon if you do not sign to castle... Also good way to lose your fort is not sign to castle the clan that owns the castle will just take it from you to get a dungeon.
If you have a clan hall you do not have to wake up in the morning n go great i lost it while i was sleeping. Nevermind you cannot go afk in a clan hall and wake up dead like you can in a fort.
There are 100 reasons why a clan hall is better then a fort number 1 is you CAN HAVE BOTH.
People cannot say how a fort can replace a clan hall because its comparing apples to oranges. Its like saying well a plane is better then a car great but you cannot do things with a plane you can do with a car.
great... you only get a dungeon if you do not sign to castle... Also good way to lose your fort is not sign to castle the clan that owns the castle will just take it from you to get a dungeon.
If you have a clan hall you do not have to wake up in the morning n go great i lost it while i was sleeping. Nevermind you cannot go afk in a clan hall and wake up dead like you can in a fort.
There are 100 reasons why a clan hall is better then a fort number 1 is you CAN HAVE BOTH.
People cannot say how a fort can replace a clan hall because its comparing apples to oranges. Its like saying well a plane is better then a car great but you cannot do things with a plane you can do with a car.
so why are u comparing them if they are apples to oranges?
How will NCsoft control the mass purchasing of CH's based on the 2.1bil cap? (programs will win this just as last time)
I wonder, if NCsoft bans programs users for bidding for clan halls first... will NCsoft be smart enough to remove those bids? Or will we end up with the servers with all the clan halls belonging to dead clans? :rolleyes:
I wonder, if NCsoft bans programs users for bidding for clan halls first... will NCsoft be smart enough to remove those bids? Or will we end up with the servers with all the clan halls belonging to dead clans? :rolleyes:
well if they set a specific time that bids could be registered, then they could monitor it. but this is ncsoft so we shall see.
i have never used l2 forum before, i would rather play they game i pay for. but hearing the server merge info makes this 5-6 year player very upset.
for the ppl saying we are QQ are probably over 83+ with lv 80 or almost lv 80 subs that want pvp (or antagonizing a forum fight lol). the question is why are u making 1 server why not 2, yes we needed a server merge not that exstream tho. is it because we are not your top game any more and that you want to trow us into 1 server to save money? u want us to pvp for every thing, there is a lot of pve toons out there that just like to raid and lv and every other week pvp at siege or tw. im a bartz toon and have always been on bartz i know almost every one on that server and i have seen people come and go. c3 was great there were a lot of ppl to party with and still room to lv with out pk/pvp/ganking some one for there spot (love pvp hate wars). now what you guys are wanting is crazy. i do hate not finding the gear i need to buy because no one is selling it or unable for me to sell stuff because no one wants it. there are pros and cons to this a merge what scares me is that people from other servers that don't have a problem getting lv7 300 element, top armor/weapons, raid jewels that most normal players from bartz and maybe other servers don't have(i don't play any others server). and were my gear/goods may be worth something on this server to only be flooded out by another. this is just some things that i feel that will destroy my favorite game. please consider 2 server
Care to explain how any fortress can be better then an aden or rune clan hall?
And before you answer owning a rune or aden clan + fort > just a fort. You cannot own a fort and castle but you can own a clan hall and castle or clan hall and fort.
fortresses give fame, ke, and a dungeon.
clan halls dont.
castles have nothing to do with the question, as castles are obviously better than ch's and forts.
Hyperlite answered it for me.
Yes, I know you can have both, but you wouldnt NEED both.
Now deal with it, or cry that your clan lost a clan hall due to merger.
Yes, I know you can have both, but you wouldnt NEED both.
Now deal with it, or cry that your clan lost a clan hall due to merger.
The ball is in your hand now.
Forts only give KE and Rep when you siege them. Its not like you gain them sleeping. If you have a clan hall you do not need a fort... you can farm and get the same outcomes.
So stop being dense.
Cost money to turn on buffs etc... but if your not a clan leader i guess every other day losing it is not a big issues but 2 mil 3 times a week adds up. if you can take it back that is.
Forts only give KE and Rep when you siege them. Its not like you gain them sleeping. If you have a clan hall you do not need a fort... you can farm and get the same outcomes.
So stop being dense.
Cost money to turn on buffs etc... but if your not a clan leader i guess every other day losing it is not a big issues but 2 mil 3 times a week adds up. if you can take it back that is.
actually, if you work out a deal with the castle holding clan you can not sign the contract as long as you say its ok for them to farm ke/fame off your fort whenever the npc is up.
actually, if you work out a deal with the castle holding clan you can not sign the contract as long as you say its ok for them to farm ke/fame off your fort whenever the npc is up.
work the politics dude, no one will do it for u.
and if it is being farmed every 4 hours, no one can take it, xaxaxa.
Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<SUP>th</SUP>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
well part of that is real but i only play the game xD for me is not important get lvl 84-85-86-90 etc etc because is for fun and talk with other people if ncsoft with that make money is ok xD
well part of that is real but i only play the game xD for me is not important get lvl 84-85-86-90 etc etc because is for fun and talk with other people if ncsoft with that make money is ok xD
my english mistake kill me :P
I would believe that but considering you went all all emo and then tagged and went FS to do nothing but when you hit 80? But you are one of those that you speak of. That I am certain. So checkmate?
Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<sup>th</sup>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<sup>rd</sup> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<sup>rd</sup> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
nice speech but dont think NcSoft wiil hear it :D
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Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<SUP>th</SUP>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
Yep, sadly you won't be heard, they've only listened to players on extremely few occasions and none of them have been important, only event-type things. I doubt they'll start now.
Slamming 5 whole populations into a single? Only 1 thing to say whoever thought of that.... bloody moron
no offense meant, its just plain dumb.
Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<SUP>th</SUP>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
no offense, but a PvE only server would make me want to stab my eyes out. this game was never balanced for a PvE only server, nor should one exists.
(yes i know they exists in korea and that is bad enough)
I agree hyperlite , but the idea isn't so bad , offer the PVE alternative to the guys who can be interested...why not.
But i confirm , i can't understand the ppl who play l2 for his (poor) pve aspect.
And to return to the subject , playing on franz , i enjoy the merge beetwen the 3 euro servers.
Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<sup>th</sup>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<sup>rd</sup> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<sup>rd</sup> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
OMG as soon as I read the Really bad idea thing I got bored. Why complain of something that is happening? they are not asking you.
Besides PvE server is like an invitation to bot on it till 85 with no worries to then change to the pvp server
These new server merges were the best idea for the situation. THANK YOU NC for taking the final steps to keep this game alive as long as possible. Now players will be forced to fight over hunting spots just like the old days. (Well not exactly like the old days ;) haha)
Honestly one can sit and whine about XP spots, forts,castles,clan halls and what have you,but the truth of the matter is we're merging so deal with it. If you can't manage PVP or don't know how then get yourself on a private server and LEARN it. The more you do it the better you get against people who are pro at it. If you don't like PVP then you're obviously playing the wrong game. If you don't have one toon that's 80 or close to it there's something wrong with how you're playing. The game is 6 years old you should be up there it's not hard to hit 76.
As for the market being flooded from all these players...GOOD I welcome it. I'm sick of overpriced weapons and armor and not having shots sell like they should. Puts more people out there crafting and collecting parts.
hum..I just wonder how name conflicts will be handelt...I mean, I dont want to loose my name...Hope for more info soon about the problems we may be facing with this merges.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING!
Yes you are, stop crying
This is part of our real life
Um no, this is a video game.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends
You and your friends go level instead of roleplaying in town and crying about how your xp bar never moves.
You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
No we do not employ them, they are a business and we are customers.
We don’t have to give them our money, and conversely they are not required to answer to you, or provide you with any services and can deny you services at any time.
And you can not do anything about it, that would sure make you quite the weak employer.
I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally
Says the person making an emotional rant…
Anyways...
One server for NA and EU was excellent news, thanks to moxie and crew for taking this step and preventing the need for any further mergers in the future.
I am looking forward to what other exciting news you may have for us in the near future.
One server for NA and EU was excellent news, thanks to moxie and crew for taking this step and preventing the need for any further mergers in the future.
I am looking forward to what other exciting news you may have for us in the near future. "
Well anyways I am a bit dissapointed. Remembering that we had so many servers to choose from. They were healty and good visited. But yeah times change..so..1 server for na and 1 for eu is the only good deal we can get.
One server for NA and EU was excellent news, thanks to moxie and crew for taking this step and preventing the need for any further mergers in the future.
Not guaranteed. They may want to merge both servers into one in a year or two.
In my Opinion it would have been better to just point out 1-3 Servers for getting closed in a Month and offering free transfers to all chars on Accounts in good Standing.
Everyone who doesnt take the free move gets transferd on close to a random Server.
This would consolidate the server populations without annoying too much people, since there is a choice of servers and the marketing word 'FREE'.
My Question is if i should delete a char of my 7 on Phoenix now to get the riches of my Chars on other servers to me. Or do the chars magically appear if i delete a char after the merge.
So, do chars over 7 on one server get deleted or are they there, waiting for a free place in char select?
Imo SH and X getting hard time. Looking forward to see Silent Horrors without a clanhall ;P
I guess alot of neutral people will leave game after these merges. I dont see why NCsoft fixes the probs with botters/walker after all those 6 years. The wierdest things is, they can see who is on walker, but they dont use it wide spreaded. The last bannings which they did 1 week ago, confirmed my theory.
For NightWitch:
My Question is if i should delete a char of my 7 on Phoenix now to get the riches of my Chars on other servers to me. Or do the chars magically appear if i delete a char after the merge.
Can't say what NC will do this time, but last time if you had toons in excess of 7 on the 2 servers which were merging, the 7 toons with the highest lvls stayed, the others were deleted. I think if 2 toons had the same lvl or exp, the most recently lvled or played character stayed.
So, make a list of your toons by level per account, and then see if the top 7 in each account are the ones you want to keep. If so, then you don't need to delete any of those toons. Otherwise, strip those high level toons and delete them.
To get your wealth from other servers, you have some options. If there is not much there, all stuff you can put on one toon, or one toon and alt clan warehouse, which that toon needs to lead, And that toon is one of the 7 survivors as above, then move everything you want to that toon.
But worst case scenario, you have 7 toons on each of the 5 servers, with some leading alt clans with lots of stuff in their warehouses. But all your toons on Bartz are lvl 85 with fully lvl 80 subs, so deleting is not an option. Rather than lose the 200 billion in gear and adena from your toons on the other 4 servers, just buy 4 times cards (or less) make 7 toons (or less) on each new account so none will be deleted by the merge. Transfer the stuff you want to 'rescue' including any clans or alt-clans you have on other servers to those 'new account' toons. Then delete the high level toons who are now stripped, if they might conflict with existing toons that you want to keep.
It will cost you a bit, and take some time to arrange, but you can control which 7 toons you will keep, and get all the stuff from other servers that you want before it is deleted.
Once you have stripped these temporary toons of the stuff they are bringing with them, you can then let those accounts close. End of plan.
I can not see NC coming up with rules which would stop you from doing this, assuming you needed to, which 90% of players probably don't.
In my Opinion it would have been better to just point out 1-3 Servers for getting closed in a Month and offering free transfers to all chars on Accounts in good Standing.
Everyone who doesnt take the free move gets transferd on close to a random Server.
This would consolidate the server populations without annoying too much people, since there is a choice of servers and the marketing word 'FREE'.
My Question is if i should delete a char of my 7 on Phoenix now to get the riches of my Chars on other servers to me. Or do the chars magically appear if i delete a char after the merge.
So, do chars over 7 on one server get deleted or are they there, waiting for a free place in char select?
Falexi
imo they should allow free transfers to another server of the player's choice. HOWEVER, they need to offer full character transfers (all gear, inventory, quests, etc.) as we are being forced to merge.
they can offer a full character moving for this merge, but why not offer the same movement on a server transfer request? makes no sense when they are already completely destroying all server economies by this merge.
This makes me realize why I chose to play phoenix sever to begin with, worried that i would be clueless how to play this game among so many competitive and experienced players, so i picked the server with the least amount of people, but you're not giving us that choice anymore, are u.. Well since then not much has changed, still not good at pvp, not level 80+, not rich and i still don't rly care to be. Just trying to get my Kamael to 79 and it looks like you're only making this harder for me without this goal i would rather quit. Coming from one of the lightest servers into the biggest Lineage 2 has made, I think i'm too stuck in my ways to like it.. In what little time i have to play each day i never say "I wish this spot was taken when i got here. Maybe if i'm lucky a group of extremely hard to kill players will come and take it away from me." I like to get something done, it's difficult enough as it is.
A non pvp server sounds strange but i'd love it, because if it's put up or shut up, i'll shut up already. After all i'll never find a better reason to quit playing. I wonder if i ever get curious to see my character again after this merge, if she'll be Ambellina8154, that totally wouldn't be adding insult to injury or anything.
Edit: If this is all actually just to increase revenue, I'd like to speak to whoever you consulted to make this decision on, because it obviously wasn't your customers. My prediction is that nc will see just how replaceable THEY are.
This makes me realize why I chose to play phoenix sever to begin with, worried that i would be clueless how to play this game among so many competitive and experienced players, so i picked the server with the least amount of people,
Lol?
If you're going to quote me please have something to say, or say i'm qq'ing that's mature also. a lot of problems get solved by talking down to people and classifying them as crybabies.. just because they don't want to play the game the way you do
If you're going to quote me please have something to say, or say i'm qq'ing that's mature also. a lot of problems get solved by talking down to people and classifying them as crybabies.. just because they don't want to play the game the way you do
What I find curious is that you and those of the same mind set as you are saying that you are going to quit the game because of this merge. You are assuming the worst and therefore, not going to even give the merge a chance.
I have no idea what is going to happen ... it could be like you say and that all the hunting spots will be locked down and the game is going to implode on itself. I hope that does not happen, but at least I am going to stick around and find out firsthand and not quit.
The last merge a lot of people said things like you are saying here, but the truth of the matter is that those fears went unfounded. Sure the 1st couple of months it was more chaotic than normal, but things settled down. I am sure the same is going to happen this time too.
as far as the name thing goes was just thinking of what would be fair to me and everyone else. i think who ever had the name long should get to keep it. this being said that i know for a fact there are people with my main name on other servers besides Dev. and if i didn't get the name well i would be ok with it cuz i know the person who got it DID have the name befor i did.
How I can see, opinions were divided... And it is interesting to me, whether has in general our opinion any value for NC SOFT? It seems to me that the company is going to downsize the game and to leave one server for super-fans and bots.
I share opinion that legit players can’t sustain all prospective problems, beginning from technical (the delays, fatal errors, etc.) and finishing increase in quantity of PVP and shortage of castles, clan-halls, and fields for lvl. Many people will leave the game. I think in couple of months on one merged server there will be not too many players.
I play 4 years and I love this game very much. I like the way that each person can find his own style of game in L2. Someone searches for thrills and PVP, and someone wishes to have some relaxations. Why to me, for my money, now impose style of game? I have 2 main characters, they both lvl 79 and they both have PVP/PK-> 0/0. I hate PVP and I do not want to kill somebody to have possibility to lvl my character a little bit.
If you're going to quote me please have something to say, or say i'm qq'ing that's mature also. a lot of problems get solved by talking down to people and classifying them as crybabies.. just because they don't want to play the game the way you do
Krissa's lol was probably in response to this
This makes me realize why I chose to play phoenix sever (...) so i picked the server with the least amount of people
And considering Phoenix is (was) the most populated NA server ... Lol is pretty much the most mature response imaginable to your statement, that you chose to play Phoenix cause it has the least amount of people.
The truth of the matter is this: the hardcore "legits" that are still here playing Lineage 2 and have done so for so many years will adapt to what ever the server merge brings. We have dealt with everything that both NCSOFT and the botters/ebayers could give us and we stayed.
We area crazy bunch in a ship of fools that continues to sink in numbers but here we are nevertheless. I personally believe that L2 will be Free to Play within 6 months and will incorporate microtransactions; at that time the botters will be gone as there will be no need for cheaters to be a part of this game. Imagine a time when there are no bots or ebayed toons.
Anyway, I will be here and look forward to whatever happens.
And considering Phoenix is (was) the most populated NA server ... Lol is pretty much the most mature response imaginable to your statement, that you chose to play Phoenix cause it has the least amount of people.
In order to promote a healthy and competitive environment, as well as to offer a better overall experience in Lineage II, we will be combining North American servers, as well as European servers, on October 5, 2010. We intend to make this transition as smooth as possible for all of our players and are confident that the end result will provide a thriving community of dedicated Lineage II players.
Merged Servers
North American Servers Bartz, Devianne, Sayha, Aria, and Phoenix will be combined into a single server.
European servers Teon, Franz, and Luna will be combined into a single server.
New Server Name Selection Process
We will be accepting new server name nominations (NA (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=210749) EU (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3014467)) from 12:00 PM PDT 9/10/2010 until 10:00 AM PDT 9/14/2010. Once we have sorted name nominations, we will provide polls for the community to vote on the new server names from 10:00 AM PDT 9/15/2010 until 5:00 PM PDT 9/17/2010.
Please Note
To minimize the number of duplicate name conflicts during the server merge process, we will be deleting any character under level 20 that has not logged into the game in more than one year. This can be prevented by logging into the dormant character any time prior to the server merge on October 5, 2010.
The number of total character slots per server will remain at 7 per account. If a single account has more than 7 characters across the servers being merged, the 7 characters with the highest amount of experience will be kept, while the remaining will be deleted. If you feel this scenario may affect you, please consider moving items from lower level characters to higher level characters to prevent the loss of any desired items or consider deleting characters that you choose not to keep.
More specific merge information (clans, alliances, castles, Olympiad, etc.) will be provided at a later time.
considering Phoenix is (was) the most populated NA server ...
Are u serious? I thought the other servers were way more populated than ours.. if we're the biggest then we're definitely not the worst, everyone i know has been so freakin awesome and helpful, and it was worth all the confrontation when i was out soloing, i guess. Anyway it's kind of a tired argument already it's happening rly soon, just going to say if it's rly necessary i hope everything goes well, thanks and i just wrote back to bribe the person/s who might have my character's name longer than i have lol kidding.
as far as the name thing goes was just thinking of what would be fair to me and everyone else. i think who ever had the name long should get to keep it.
What if the person's character has also been inactive longer?
If i leveled 1-77 in half a year and another ambellina has been lv 45 for 3 yrs.. I hope they take some time to think about that or make us able to rename them
What if the person's character has also been inactive longer? If i leveled 1-77 in half a year and another ambellina has been lv 45 for 3 yrs.. I hope they take some time to think about that or make us able to rename them
Good point i guess if they did that they should also look at whos been more active, how ever they end up doing it i hope they make it fair for every one, cuz the first person who logs in i don't think is fair since some of us work/go to school/ have kids to take care of/ pretty much have a life outside of game :)
Are u serious? I thought the other servers were way more populated than ours.. if we're the biggest then we're definitely not the worst, everyone i know has been so freakin awesome and helpful, and it was worth all the confrontation when i was out soloing, i guess. Anyway it's kind of a tired argument already it's happening rly soon, just going to say if it's rly necessary i hope everything goes well, thanks and i just wrote back to bribe the person/s who might have my character's name longer than i have lol kidding.
How did you come to the conclusion that the most populated north american server was the least populated server?
The problem is that things settled down because a lot of people quit because it was so chaotic.exactly
The truth of the matter is this: the hardcore "legits" that are still here playing Lineage 2 and have done so for so many years will adapt to what ever the server merge brings. We have dealt with everything that both NCSOFT and the botters/ebayers could give us and we stayed.
We area crazy bunch in a ship of fools that continues to sink in numbers but here we are nevertheless./agreed
I have only one question...if someone have the same name with yours and the servers will merge ..what will happen ? anyone know? i think its good question ^^ sry for my english :P
Think ppl are a bit confused about lots of stuff in this game, i'm sorry to say.
As much as we dont like it, i dont see bots as the biggest issue, but the 3pt program users like radars, cp spamer programs, and alike.
Ofc bots are a problem when u want to go farm some mats and there are huge (or small) bot-trains killing all the mobs, but bots make the ingame market to lower the prices and, ofc, give lots of cash to NCsoft. I mean 15$/month for each acount, means 135$/month in a full bot pt good money for NCSoft.:p
But the issue here is the merge, and i belive that if the NCSoft GMs start working on the 3pt program users, and start banning their acounts, then the game will win new life. Because to be honest a legit player cant fight a cp spamer user in equal terms, you cant do anything against a radar, when an enemy knows where you are before you even have the chance of see him, and so on.
I think some of you would be amazed to see most of this PvP players without those programs, many of them dont even know how to play without it.
So and to finish this long post, the merge is a good thing if they clean up properly, who knows, we might get real pvp instead of this fixed fights we have atm. About CH, well in a merge like this they have to be or reseted or NCSoft has to create some more CH in towns (not a bad move, if they did it, and towns might have the necessary space to do it).
In the end, only 1 server for GMs to monitor, IF they act well, this might in fact be good news, and legit players might have a chance, again IF they dont carebear alot.:)
P.S. - i am just imagining ppl that payed for a server transfer and had to sell lots of stuff ingame to be able to transfer, looking at this and saying "WTF????" :-P
If you're going to quote me please have something to say, or say i'm qq'ing that's mature also. a lot of problems get solved by talking down to people and classifying them as crybabies.. just because they don't want to play the game the way you do
He's laughing at you because Phoenix was and is the most populated NA Server. Kinda makes your whole post laughable.
He's laughing at you because Phoenix was and is the most populated NA Server. Kinda makes your whole post laughable.
Not as much as i laugh at nova
Anyway you're just repeating what someone else said, lol find something halfway important or original to add thx
Still not looking forward to the merge but i'm glad nc is doing what they have to and hopefully everything works out great for everyone.. except for nova
Not as much as i laugh at nova
Anyway you're just repeating what someone else said, lol find something halfway important or original to add thx
Still not looking forward to the merge but i'm glad nc is doing what they have to and hopefully everything works out great for everyone.. except for nova
It's from second life..
What's that picture for am i missing another joke?! well i bet it's brilliant and i'm sure jyrk will be back to clarify to me exactly what u mean. If the moderator deleted the picture of the little chinese baby you know they're going to remove that one too, with visible lice or dirt or whatever in his hair. gross.
It's from second life..
What's that picture for am i missing another joke?! well i bet it's brilliant and i'm sure jyrk will be back to clarify to me exactly what u mean. If the moderator deleted the picture of the little chinese baby you know they're going to remove that one too, with visible lice or dirt or whatever in his hair. gross.
:) LOL ... no its from a movie...I was watching it at work and looking at the forums and thought nice avatar.
This is overkill. I was in Teon and it has a vibrant market, all forts were taken, both giran and aden full of shops, i dont think they needed any merger. Franz and Luna, OTOH, did.
However, the most screwed ppl will be the NA ones. There the 3 k players treshold will be passed easily and lag will kick in hard, not to mention sieges with 500 ppl where nobody will be able to move except ppl with oog client.
I fear this is a stunt to fire more GMs because they dont have work to do... Bots, your time is here again, buy fast more trains, there will be soon place after legits will be gone !
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This is overkill. I was in Teon and it has a vibrant market, all forts were taken, both giran and aden full of shops, i dont think they needed any merger. Franz and Luna, OTOH, did.
However, the most screwed ppl will be the NA ones. There the 3 k players treshold will be passed easily and lag will kick in hard, not to mention sieges with 500 ppl where nobody will be able to move except ppl with oog client.
I fear this is a stunt to fire more GMs because they dont have work to do... Bots, your time is here again, buy fast more trains, there will be soon place after legits will be gone !
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Before you even heard of Lineage 2 Bartz and Teon and Franz had 5000 daily connections. Regularly. And we all played fine, no lag, sieges were fine. So tone down the it's the end of world nonsense, especially since you don't have a clue what you 're talking about
correct, I don't see much difference between the lag I used to have in the old days and like at last TW with 300+ ppl running around at just 1 castle nor do I expect the merger will make it any harder..
ps, if you lag hard right now on a dead server maybe it's time to buy some decent pc hardware (more ram/raid 0 hd's or SSD/better vid card)
If you think there are alot of players on your server today, you should have seen it back in 2004-2006. There were 5 times as many, and the server was 100% perfect. Lineage 2 was built to withstand 5,000 players in-game, 500+ players battling at a siege, 200+ players taking down antharas. It's the way the game was ment to be played, and so it sha'll. So please, QQ, what you are about to see is true Lineage 2, the way it was when the game first launched, exciting.. MMO
ps, if you lag hard right now on a dead server maybe it's time to buy some decent pc hardware (more ram / raid 0 hd'sor SSD / faster CPU (not more cores...faster i.e. higher GHz) / better vid card)
added one more important option^^
unless someone has a good CPU but a really pathetic amount of RAM (less than 1GB?) or ancient video card (GeForce 5xxx FX?), upgrading the CPU will give the most improvement for situations like siege where "lag" is due to the number of players
got to love RAID 0/SSD for reducing blackscreen time too though :)
If you think there are alot of players on your server today, you should have seen it back in 2004-2006. There were 5 times as many, and the server was 100% perfect.
They were scattered across all the levels and grinding spots, though, and the newbie villages weren't empty fields.
This is true Krissa, maybe this will be an opportunity for new players to start playing the game, or will force higher levels to create alts :) besides, now the newbie areas are useless, they have no purpose anymore.. see everyone in execution grounds :P
Question for Sace or Moxie... unless someone else was to have this information.
With the coming merge a question came up between myself and some others...
Will characters that are set to be deleted less than 7 days before the servers merge actually be deleted before the calculation process towards which 7 characters you are to keep between all servers calculates?
For example: A day before the merge is to take place I set additional alt characters across multiple servers to delete, and the thought being that on the day of the merge these characters will be removed and the 7 day deletion timer would be ignored.
This would allow player's characters set to delete to not be counted and wouldnt cause extra conflict with duplicate named characters, as well as towards the 7 you wish to keep on a server.
Of coarse it would be a good idea to delete the characters you don't need ahead of time, but if things were this way it would make it a little easier. This information would also be nice to know, because if it is this way we would be able to prepare easier.
bots and bot programs must be eliminated after merge. You see those 85/ best gear guys with impossibly long support trains that cant be boxed...BAN THEM... and make sure they never come back no one that lost 85 wants to come back and redo this legit. Its them that are the adena farmers and What adena farmer camps mobs that spoils bone in outlaw forest? I am sure china farmers all making vesper weapons and blowing them up with enchants they got on oly...
bots and bot programs must be eliminated after merge. You see those 85/ best gear guys with impossibly long support trains that cant be boxed...BAN THEM... and make sure they never come back no one that lost 85 wants to come back and redo this legit. Its them that are the adena farmers and What adena farmer camps mobs that spoils bone in outlaw forest? I am sure china farmers all making vesper weapons and blowing them up with enchants they got on oly...
They were scattered across all the levels and grinding spots, though, and the newbie villages weren't empty fields.
That's true, but ATM on Teon (most populated server) most of 80-83 areas are empty or have many free spots as well. Mostly there are 2-3 parties in places that can hold 8-10 parties.
Don't forget, that there are much more high level areas now, than we had 2-3 years ago. In c4-c5 having 3000 players all in top level range would make a crowd in fact. Nowadays it will only fill empty areas.
SO GM's...I will say this. If the lag time in game is as bad as the PTS was when we did the Ice Queen, I won't be renewing my subscriptions. As I bet alot of people won't . So I hope you have a pleasant surprise for us. I have a great PC and can run multiple screens when I need to box a buffer.
And for the love of GOD do some advertising if you want this game to work. This is pathetic, a great game and no marketing to draw in new blood.
Hello Folks!!!
I would like to discuss with you and GM about latest news of servers merge. My opinion is that it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Why does NCSoft want to cut off 75% of the servers?
I understand they can do whatever they want even CLOSE this Game. But if NCSoft wants to keep up this Game PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO DO MERGE on October 5<SUP>th</SUP>.
Take some time to HEAR MORE VOICES of PLAYERS!!!WE ARE PART OF YOUR COMPANY!
Well let’s go back to talk about the merge.
First of all I would like to tell some people – I’M NOT CRYING! I want talk productivity about NCSoft decision cause we all are family of Lineage2.This is part of our real life.
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
NCSoft is ALWAYS telling us DON’T PLAY NON STOP! KEEP THIS GAME HEALTHY! DONT USE 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of PROGRAMM!!! We follow these rules.
But I would like to ask NCSoft – Let do math and tell me HOW we can make lvl 84 and defend our friends from HIGH LVL PVP PLAYERS if you not using 3<SUP>rd</SUP> part of program? IMPOSSIBLE!!!
How many hours you need to spend every day to reach HIGH lvl PLAYERS? 6 hours? 8 hours? Or 10? It is our job? I don’t get paycheck for it. Or install Bot/walker program and play non-stop?
What do you want guys? Kill this Game? Ok! You are owner of L2 but we are your employers! We are spending our money - you are getting job.
If you want to keep this Game alive then my idea is:
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
2) Make vote who want to join which server, maybe Clan leader can make decision for whole Clan ( ppl should discuss inside of Clan) and move whole Clan to 1 0f 2 servers.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
We love you guys! We are thankful for your time, knowledge and patience to make this Game more interesting more fascinating. I hope we can find and make right decision.
Thank you Moxie!
P.S. Don’t bite me guys! I’m just calling ppl to think sensible not emotionally.
Yes the game is supposed to be hard to play. Its supposed to be hard to reach the end game. Its supposed to be open pvp.. so logically to defend yourself from higher lvls.. build a clan or group and always work together. When they come around work together totake em out. I say the merge should happen NOW. Its going to bring the "communit" portion back to the game. Right now people are leveling without any conflict.. Thats nice and dandy but realisticly you have to fight to hunt the area. "Claim your territory.." kinda deal. Bots? Np.. kill em. Go red and work off the karma. Easy. Just relax and enjoy the game. Server merges wont kill L2.. Sure ppl are gonna be pissy and cry about it for months but in the end theyll just keep playing. If they are all posting on the forums.. then they still care. They will still play.
I agree with T4G. What you are experiencing right now on your server in Lineage 2, is DEAD Lineage 2. This is not how the game was viewed, the GMs said it themselves, there must be 3,000+ players on one server to make this game worthwhile. And as T4G said, leveling without conflict is great! However, it's not the Lineage 2 I know. Go play the PTS if you want to be in your own little world. What you are about to experience is Lineage 2 reborn.
I agree with T4G. What you are experiencing right now on your server in Lineage 2, is DEAD Lineage 2. This is not how the game was viewed, the GMs said it themselves, there must be 3,000+ players on one server to make this game worthwhile. And as T4G said, leveling without conflict is great! However, it's not the Lineage 2 I know. Go play the PTS if you want to be in your own little world. What you are about to experience is Lineage 2 reborn.
True, this merge will make L2 to be more on the lines of what the original developers intended L2 to be. But this is not the same L2 as it was back in the chronicle 1-5 days.
So it will be intersting to see how many people get hit with the BAN HAMMER before and after the merge.
I am not happy with the 5 to 1 server merge and would have liked to have seen 2 NA servers, but as a fan, I will roll with the punches and make the best of it.
I agree!
When i'm asking my friends and ppl who leave around me nobody know about L2 but 90% of ppl know what is WoW.Do you think NC has good advertising strategy on NA market to keep this Game alive?
Absolutely not Berg, NC Soft has gotten slack on advertisement for Lineage 2. About two or three years ago my local Walmart and Bestbuy had Lineage 2 time cards and the actual game on the shelf. Now, it's disappeared, they are more focused on advertising for Aion it seems. You see WoW commercials on TV 24/7 but you never see Lineage 2. IMO Lineage 2 is the best MMO I have ever played, it struck my heart unlike any other, WoW never did that for me. It would be very beneficial to advertise Lineage 2 in-stores once again and even on commercials and websites. NC Soft should focus on getting the private server community (about half of them were once retail players) back into official Lineage 2 (& for those who don't know, the private server community is way over ten thousand players). The game has gotten easier, almost feels like a private server now a days with the exp increase with vitality. I would love to see an "invite old players back" by allowing inactive accounts >90 days be activated for 7 days when the server merge occurs. We need more legit players, not farmers.
would love to see an "invite old players back" by allowing inactive accounts >90 days be activated for 7 days when the server merge occurs. We need more legit players, not farmers.
Doubt it will happen at this point, they might do a free account reactivation in 6 months or so after the new servers have had a chance to settle, but at this point, reactivating 20,000 accounts with just 2 servers available would be suicide
didn't read all the responses, so i'm not sure if this may have crossed someone's mind, but it sounds like while squeezing from 5 servers (35 character slots) to 1 server (35 character slots) they are going to do something confusing, like keep the characters that have different names, were logged into most recently, and have the highest experience, without regard to which ones are in the process of deletion, or which server the player plays on most often.
here's a much simpler idea: of all possible 35 characters, keep the ones that are carrying the most adena. that way, players can easily communicate which ones they want to keep. no intelligent organism would keep 50mil adena and a vesper bow on a character they WANTED to lose. if the names are an issue, assign namechangeXXX to the most recently created character, regardless of whether that character is owned by the same player.
you have MORE then 2 weeks left.. that means more then 14 days...
it takes 7 days to delete a toon
there are 5 servers for NA.. meaning a maxium of 35 characters as you pointed out..
how hard is it to jump on each toon NOW and move whatever you wish to where-ever you like and consolidate what you can. THEN after doing the necessary moves and whatnot, delete the toons not required for each.....
and to follow up with Judas - if you have a clan that you want to tranfer from one too to another do it now so you do not have to risk trying it next week.
Server merges are going to be an inconvinience for most players. Is there any chance that we get to choose where our accounts end up? You should consider the option that if an account's region is different from where he plays, he can be given the option to choose his region as the place to be moved. For example, if a player is NA region but plays in Franz atm, he should have the option to be moved in the new NA server instead of the EU.
you have MORE then 2 weeks left.. that means more then 14 days...
it takes 7 days to delete a toon
there are 5 servers for NA.. meaning a maxium of 35 characters as you pointed out..
how hard is it to jump on each toon NOW and move whatever you wish to where-ever you like and consolidate what you can. THEN after doing the necessary moves and whatnot, delete the toons not required for each.....
BAM.. problem solved
Seriously... I did that the day they announced merges. Took me like 2 hours, but it is done.
A PvE clans takes allot greater risks than the PvP clans does during grinding, having the option to cheaply BSOE to CH instead of getting -1-4% on death from mobs is a great option...not to mention that some of the CH's has good teleports to hunting grounds.
The one going red has him self to blame if he gets killed and drops his precious Baium or what ever junk he may have.
Oh and the 50% rez that the CH has is far more usefull to a PvE clan that takes the full exp loss in PvE than the pathetic loss you get in a two way war.
The big joke here are the big botted up PvP clans that can't even boil water without the help of their mother.
Got more buffers and healers (live) in your clan. Get EE to party as well. ;)
Thank you. :)
CH SoE, 50% rez, Snow Fenrir (why would a PvP clan possibly need that?) and, yes, buffs.[/quite]
Maybe not SoE and not exactly 50% rez (depending on the toon lvl) but how about taking EE into party? Can take another buffer as well, like prophet. Snow Fenrir... oh, well... you never get everything you want.
One that soloes with a bad connection. Or one that wants to explore. Or one that was griefed with a cancel stick... you name it.
Soloing with bad connection is asking for troubles. Only the death-wishers do so. One can explore as he wants, buy bsoe then or explore with EE ;) Griefing? Party with smb else. Can be EE.
Hello Folks!!!
Does NCSoft care about normal LEGIT PLAYERS who spend 2-3 hours weekly and 4-5 hours on weekends playing L2 to have fun and relax after work? Seem like NO!!!!
Yes, they do. that's why there is vitality, nbewbie buffs, Kamaloka (which helps finding normal parties too).
1) Make 2 servers – 1 server PVP and 1 Server non PVP.
Making PvE server will kill this game completely. I vote no.
3) Give people more time till November or December 2010 to talk about this merge in Game/forums/phone calls and etc.
TRY TO HEAR OUR VOICES if you don’t want to lose thousands accounts of people who paying money. Give people chance. We don’t want to lose our 4-6 years in the Game.
Well, sorry to play less than 4 hours, but I vote for merges. Can be 1 NA server, don't mind it. Besides, the voices on forums aren't really representative for the game.
i picked the server with the least amount of people, but you're not giving us that choice anymore, are u..
Well since then not much has changed, still not good at pvp, not level 80+, not rich and i still don't rly care to be. Just trying to get my Kamael to 79 and it looks like you're only making this harder for me without this goal i would rather quit. Coming from one of the lightest servers into the biggest Lineage 2 has made, I think i'm too stuck in my ways to like it.. In what little time i have to play each day i never say "I wish this spot was taken when i got here. Maybe if i'm lucky a group of extremely hard to kill players will come and take it away from me." I like to get something done, it's difficult enough as it is.
I've just hit 70 (playing for around 2 years or 3). I'm not intending to cry cause there will be more people on spots. I really want this. PvPing for spot. Hell yes, even if I loose. What I love in this game is that there is open PvP everywhere and that you can get killed anytime from anybody (or kill anybody anytime). That's the game I wanted to play.
Thionk positively and go with parties on spots. ;)
Edit: If this is all actually just to increase revenue, I'd like to speak to whoever you consulted to make this decision on, because it obviously wasn't your customers. My prediction is that nc will see just how replaceable THEY are.
But it was also players who asked earlier for mergers, weren't they?
Question to Moxie or Sace.
Server merges are going to be an inconvinience for most players. Is there any chance that we get to choose where our accounts end up? You should consider the option that if an account's region is different from where he plays, he can be given the option to choose his region as the place to be moved. For example, if a player is NA region but plays in Franz atm, he should have the option to be moved in the new NA server instead of the EU.
Um... why? I'm Euro player on Phoenix and I don't want to switch zones. We've been through this already. want to change zone, pay for it. No need for free transfer (yes, yes, there were first na servers and no euro servers... but... so what?)
CH SoE, 50% rez, Snow Fenrir (why would a PvP clan possibly need that?) and, yes, buffs.
Maybe not SoE and not exactly 50% rez (depending on the toon lvl) but how about taking EE into party?
When my party needs an EE, I switch to my main, tyvm :rolleyes:
Your lowlie subs can use newbie buffs. Or just go party with the buffers around your subs lvl. You don't really need the high level buffers or CH buffs.
As for leaching, gosh... I prefer doing sth actually so partying with people around my toon's level is much better.
Um... why? I'm Euro player on Phoenix and I don't want to switch zones. We've been through this already. want to change zone, pay for it. No need for free transfer (yes, yes, there were first na servers and no euro servers... but... so what?)
I think the point is the NA servers have gone from 3 distinctive areas to 1, meaning PING rate has gone up for those from Europe or Eastern NA. My ping normally on Dev is 67-88 range now it will probably be 88-100 range, while the PING for Euro players now will go up substantially due to the distance from the server. Atleast thats my thinking im no techie though ^_^.
And lowbie buffers are better to leech from higher level DDs anyway.
Your lowlie subs can use newbie buffs. Or just go party with the buffers around your subs lvl.
Reading is your friend.
As for leaching, gosh... I prefer doing sth actually so partying with people around my toon's level is much better.
I prefer doing something with people that are meaningful for my main. If they aren't, I prefer to powerlevel them until they are.
1 simple question: have nameholder chars on every server with the same names will I have to delete the "duplicates" or will the lvl1 chars with same name on same account all be merged into 1 char on the new servers ?
How many clan halls are there in a town, five or six ?
How many dead buildings/rooms are there in the same towns, lots ?
If two servers are merging, simply double the clan halls in each town and assign the halls to the incoming clans that already own them.
The only requirements would be a couple of NPCs, a few changes for the graphics of the doors and some new hall names.
Hardly rocket science.
As for forts, well, they can still be fought over as before.
When will you guys get it? Clan halls are part of the game design and that's controlled by Korea. We have the exact same number of clans halls all lineage 2 servers have, what you 're asking for, no matter how "logical" it sounds to you is outside the realm of what NCNA can do. And it's also cannibalizing the game. Similar to asking to have 4-5 Baium spawns cause 1 just isn't enough. Hope you "git it" at some point
When will you guys get it? Clan halls are part of the game design and that's controlled by Korea. We have the exact same number of clans halls all lineage 2 servers have, what you 're asking for, no matter how "logical" it sounds to you is outside the realm of what NCNA can do. And it's also cannibalizing the game. Similar to asking to have 4-5 Baium spawns cause 1 just isn't enough. Hope you "git it" at some point
Really?? So what you are saying is that we get what Korea gets?? That is why we can use the Dimensional Merchant's and get all the events that Korea gets. We also get to have the micro-transactions that Korea has too ... right??
When are people like you going to learn that these servers are no where near what the Korean servers are. This is more like L2 Lite, compared to the Korean servers.
It's really easy, just limit the bidding on clan halls to only the clans that currently hold one. Then the current holders have a 1 in 5 chance of retaining their clan hall.
It's really easy, just limit the bidding on clan halls to only the clans that currently hold one. Then the current holders have a 1 in 5 chance of retaining their clan hall.
How many clan halls are there in a town, five or six ?
How many dead buildings/rooms are there in the same towns, lots ?
If two servers are merging, simply double the clan halls in each town and assign the halls to the incoming clans that already own them.
The only requirements would be a couple of NPCs, a few changes for the graphics of the doors and some new hall names.
Hardly rocket science.
As for forts, well, they can still be fought over as before.
This is a non-issue, changes to the code are done in Korea, making more ch needs serious coding, not as you say a few things.
Forts can be fought over as before, only that there will be too many bot clans that will fight for them and no hope for legits.
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legits need to merge up together all into ONEe clan to be stronger, then keeping fort should be no problem. and doing everything else in game for that matter.
unfortunately #1 problem of legits is they can't seem to let go of their billions of little self-led clans, which effectively makes all of them weak.
legits need to merge up together all into ONEe clan to be stronger, then keeping fort should be no problem. and doing everything else in game for that matter.
unfortunately #1 problem of legits is they can't seem to let go of their billions of little self-led clans, which effectively makes all of them weak.
A legit clan that haven't held a castle for several months can have only as much as 150 toons (+20 toons in academy). There are much more legits than that, at least on Phoenix.
As much as I enjoy reading the whinning. Sace or Moxie its 2 weeks before the merge is there an eta on when we will get more specific information on the merges, or are we to asume that anything not previous said will be the same as the last merge.
As much as I enjoy reading the whinning. Sace or Moxie its 2 weeks before the merge is there an eta on when we will get more specific information on the merges, or are we to asume that anything not previous said will be the same as the last merge.
You shall know Soon
or 20 mins after the said merge ;-p
1 simple question: have nameholder chars on every server with the same names will I have to delete the "duplicates" or will the lvl1 chars with same name on same account all be merged into 1 char on the new servers ?
bump
legits need to merge up together all into ONEe clan to be stronger, then keeping fort should be no problem. and doing everything else in game for that matter.
unfortunately #1 problem of legits is they can't seem to let go of their billions of little self-led clans, which effectively makes all of them weak.
So being legit means automatically that they're weak?
Are u saying you're not legit? ;)
So being legit means automatically that they're weak?
Are u saying you're not legit? ;)
WOW!! That is an Epic Leap from the poster saying that all the small legit clans staying in their small legit clans and not forming a larger better clan makes them weak to you calling him, well, basically a bot.
The poster was right though a little 20 man legit clan is not going to be able to do anything compared to 5, 20 man legit clans getting together and forming 1, 100 man clan. +1 to Kanaeda.
my clan has many people both legit and not legit in it. But we are large enough to get things done. I'm just saying that people (often legits) who stay in their tiny clans forever can't get anything done, pve or pvp-wise, it's just something I've noticed. It's not a problem of only legits tho; there are many clans out there still who refuse to merge because they don't want to lose control of their own clan, even if it would benefit them greatly to merge all their people into another clan already established, that is probably already higher level with more clan skills. There is much more power in numbers, I mean zerg !
my clan has many people both legit and not legit in it. But we are large enough to get things done. I'm just saying that people (often legits) who stay in their tiny clans forever can't get anything done, pve or pvp-wise, it's just something I've noticed. It's not a problem of only legits tho; there are many clans out there still who refuse to merge because they don't want to lose control of their own clan, even if it would benefit them greatly to merge all their people into another clan already established, that is probably already higher level with more clan skills. There is much more power in numbers, I mean zerg !
btw recruiting people and clans for my clan, legit or not :P
if i may jump in here, let me state that the small time player doesnt "get anything done" more or less because they arent logged in to DO these things.
ive known many low levels to be pvp smart and quite combattive, who all quit before they hit 61. 2 years ago i actually lost pvp to one particular 66 WS who was VERY good.
in my old clan a great number of people quit L2 after the first merge due to the inflation put upon S gear costs.
the S threshold still is a very big leap in pvp potency and cost per pixel of gear. even some of my new clan who are 78-83 are using non elemented low tier gear.
what i am saying is it takes a long time to amass the gear required for these highly potent levels. people who cannot invest this time will "never get anything done". for this exact reason people cry and complain that wow gives you these things without a great time investment.
don't be qqing that these people never get anything done, theyre the reason your servers actually have some combattive spirit. people like this are willing to put in the work despite the time involvement. we should appreciate that they persist in being here instead of pointing out their undergeared-ness as failures.
my clan has many people both legit and not legit in it. But we are large enough to get things done. I'm just saying that people (often legits) who stay in their tiny clans forever can't get anything done, pve or pvp-wise, it's just something I've noticed. It's not a problem of only legits tho; there are many clans out there still who refuse to merge because they don't want to lose control of their own clan, even if it would benefit them greatly to merge all their people into another clan already established, that is probably already higher level with more clan skills. There is much more power in numbers, I mean zerg !
btw recruiting people and clans for my clan, legit or not :P
why is that I think a lot of people from your clan are going on "forced" vacations now after your post?
Yours too. We've been having this talk earlier on. There was no free transfers from NA to EU server earlier - and why should it be?
Transfer is paid service and should remain so, without any exceptions.
My reading skills are fine. Your's are not. First of all, I asked Sace or Moxie. You are neither. Second, I spoke about option. That is something you can do or not. Nobody forces you to do it.
As for the reasons why this should be an option, here are some:
1) They are moving everyone's account anyway. What is the problem if someone gets moved to server A instead of B? Cost at this point is the same for NC.
2) New servers will have consideralbly more lag for players not from the same region due to increased number of players. The game experience will be severly reduced for them. Some will prefer to quit than pay for transfers.
My reading skills are fine. Your's are not. First of all, I asked Sace or Moxie. You are neither. Second, I spoke about option. That is something you can do or not. Nobody forces you to do it.
As for the reasons why this should be an option, here are some:
1) They are moving everyone's account anyway. What is the problem if someone gets moved to server A instead of B? Cost at this point is the same for NC.
2) New servers will have consideralbly more lag for players not from the same region due to increased number of players. The game experience will be severly reduced for them. Some will prefer to quit than pay for transfers.
I don't want an OPTION. Because it's unfair to the Euro players who had to pay for the transfers to Euro servers. There was no option when the first merge was and there should be no option now either.
1) cause they are merging servers not deleting them.
2) you can't know that how it will look like after it's live. So don't jump to conclusions now, k?
WOW!! That is an Epic Leap from the poster saying that all the small legit clans staying in their small legit clans and not forming a larger better clan makes them weak to you calling him, well, basically a bot.Tika, no jumping to conclusions so fast pls;
he did it himself, i replied like that because the word 'legits' is being used alot for ppl not getting anywhere, which is not always the case because there are also legits in big clans that do get things done.
I'm just saying that people (often legits) who stay in their tiny clans forever can't get anything done.
It's not a problem of only legits thoThx, thats what i was going for :)
I have moved some posts from this thread to the Bot Thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=204080). Keep all your discussion about "legits and unlegits" there and keep this thread on topic.
Who wants for example 6 years old car? Well, you prolly drive 12 years old Toyota.
Ever heard of the 67 shelby or perhaps a 64 impala ? people die for these sorts of cars. Myself id kill to get my hands on a mint celica i dont know why but i love that car.
a lot of countries give lower insurance rates for driving older cars.
a silver coloured oldsmobile or buick from 1982 or older can fetch as low as 10$ CDN per month to fully insure in the Southern Ontario area.
a 1973 Delta 88 Oldmobile with a 455 rocket will cost me about $6 per month to register and insure
I would rather drive a car that is 30 years old and know that it can take a beating without any maintnence.. versus driving a modern car built within the last 15-25 years that can't survive even just a few years as they were specifically designed for urban smooth highway conditions, not the wind and the rain and the ice/cold, nor gravel/dirt roads. Pretty sad when the lines from the feul tank and for the breaks and such are all unshielded aluminum tubes on the bottom of the car... getting dinted and broke
a 1973 Delta 88 Oldmobile with a 455 rocket will cost me about $6 per month to register and insure
I would rather drive a car that is 30 years old and know that it can take a beating without any maintnence.. versus driving a modern car built within the last 15-25 years that can't survive even just a few years as they were specifically designed for urban smooth highway conditions, not the wind and the rain and the ice/cold, nor gravel/dirt roads. Pretty sad when the lines from the feul tank and for the breaks and such are all unshielded aluminum tubes on the bottom of the car... getting dinted and broke
oooo You got a Delta 88! :cool: I would stop and look as you go by!
In order to promote a healthy and competitive environment, as well as to offer a better overall experience in Lineage II, we will be combining North American servers, as well as European servers, on October 5, 2010. We intend to make this transition as smooth as possible for all of our players and are confident that the end result will provide a thriving community of dedicated Lineage II players.
Merged Servers
North American Servers Bartz, Devianne, Sayha, Aria, and Phoenix will be combined into a single server.
European servers Teon, Franz, and Luna will be combined into a single server.
New Server Name Selection Process
We will be accepting new server name nominations (NA (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=210749) EU (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3014467)) from 12:00 PM PDT 9/10/2010 until 10:00 AM PDT 9/14/2010. Once we have sorted name nominations, we will provide polls for the community to vote on the new server names from 10:00 AM PDT 9/15/2010 until 5:00 PM PDT 9/17/2010.
Please Note
To minimize the number of duplicate name conflicts during the server merge process, we will be deleting any character under level 20 that has not logged into the game in more than one year. This can be prevented by logging into the dormant character any time prior to the server merge on October 5, 2010.
The number of total character slots per server will remain at 7 per account. If a single account has more than 7 characters across the servers being merged, the 7 characters with the highest amount of experience will be kept, while the remaining will be deleted. If you feel this scenario may affect you, please consider moving items from lower level characters to higher level characters to prevent the loss of any desired items or consider deleting characters that you choose not to keep.
More specific merge information (clans, alliances, castles, Olympiad, etc.) will be provided at a later time.
Thanks for your continued loyalty to Lineage II.
Okay, we're just a little over one week away from the merge, and there is still no specific information on the L2 website. What's taking so long? Let's end all this speculation and get the specifics in the news area of the main website plz.
The test cases and list that we are assembling is for the smaller specifics such as, how will name collisions be worked out (as much as we understand that a name is important to a player and their character, it is not disastrous to the very existence of that character), Pvp points, Olympiad points, Karma, clan rights and much more.
The most important rules have already been posted and these show you how to make sure that you save the characters that you love the most, and empty and delete the ones that you are parting with. We have already posted this information in the very first post of this thread. Here it is again:
You may have 7 characters per new server. All the NA servers will become Chronos, and all the EU servers will become Naia. You must judge which characters to save and which to delete.
All characters level 20 or under will be deleted if they have not been logged into the game in over a year. Simply log in on that character to make so that it can stay and be tested in the other merge rules.
With this foresight, you have complete control over which 7-characters-per-server you will end up with, and you can transfer items and queue characters for deletion. (Incidentally, one of the test cases that we are running is to make sure that the merge scripts will recognize when a character is queued for deletion, and to not include it in your total character list.) You were given this information on September 8, 2010, a month before the merge.
As soon as the test cases are finished, we will post the results both on the forums and on the website.
I think what peoples problem is we get that but the other factors of the actual game are very important to us and you`re management arent exactly getting that a week or less isnt a lot of time for some people to plan out the sort of problems that may arise with ingame aspects.
I noticed you didnt mention the Dawn/Dusk competition and the sealstones as problems your working out.
I think what peoples problem is we get that but the other factors of the actual game are very important to us and you`re management arent exactly getting that a week or less isnt a lot of time for some people to plan out the sort of problems that may arise with ingame aspects.
I noticed you didnt mention the Dawn/Dusk competition and the sealstones as problems your working out.
Seven signs is pretty much guaranteed to be reset to a starting period, so I'd plan on not seeing back seal stones u sink in just prior to the merge.
The test cases and list that we are assembling is for the smaller specifics such as, how will name collisions be worked out (as much as we understand that a name is important to a player and their character, it is not disastrous to the very existence of that character), Pvp points, Olympiad points, Karma, clan rights and much more.
The most important rules have already been posted and these show you how to make sure that you save the characters that you love the most, and empty and delete the ones that you are parting with. We have already posted this information in the very first post of this thread. Here it is again:
You may have 7 characters per new server. All the NA servers will become Chronos, and all the EU servers will become Naia. You must judge which characters to save and which to delete.
All characters level 20 or under will be deleted if they have not been logged into the game in over a year. Simply log in on that character to make so that it can stay and be tested in the other merge rules.
With this foresight, you have complete control over which 7-characters-per-server you will end up with, and you can transfer items and queue characters for deletion. (Incidentally, one of the test cases that we are running is to make sure that the merge scripts will recognize when a character is queued for deletion, and to not include it in your total character list.) You were given this information on September 8, 2010, a month before the merge.
As soon as the test cases are finished, we will post the results both on the forums and on the website.
Sace,
Do you know what will happen with the name-filler toons we have made on other servers to keep our names? (i.e. same named lvl 1 toons on the same account on all servers)
I couldn't really find any info about that + i don't remember how that worked out with the previous mergers.
Will there be a problem if we keep those, like which one will stay and which one will be deleted? (i take it the highest lvl toon with the same name will stay)
Do you know what will happen with the name-filler toons we have made on other servers to keep our names? (i.e. same named lvl 1 toons on the same account on all servers)
I couldn't really find any info about that + i don't remember how that worked out with the previous mergers.
Will there be a problem if we keep those, like which one will stay and which one will be deleted? (i take it the highest lvl toon with the same name will stay)
its pretty obvious ...
1. they delete all toons bellow lvl 20 that hasnt logged in for a year
2. they will take all your characters, sort them according to level and delete all after the first 7
3. after they do this for all players on all servers (thus eliminating number of characters in database) they will run a script to check a names .. ie.:
take all the names put them together, sort them (to easy find duplicates), for each duplicate name, add server id behind and flag it as duplicate (so you will be prompted to rename it)
its pretty obvious ...
2. they will take all your characters, sort them according to level and delete all after the first 7
obvious or not, i'll wait for an official response on this.
Hi all. just a question for dear NcSoft and other players for this all ready done servers merge.
If i m disappoint with my server or for any reason have to change server. i have to change my gameplay times(means change work in real life or stay awake all night for other ppl) to continue play this game?
I totally agree with Perimenemeerxome..If,for some reason, get disapointed with our NA or EURO server, we have to change our gameplay hours,except to change only server...So you are giving us only 1 choice!! 1 NA and 1 Euro..Please reconsider..My 0,02 here...2 NA and 2 EURO servers...
PerimeneMeErxome and Muld3r :) just quit or dont do that....like me, i want to do zaken or tiat, but my timezone and work not letting me do that and thats why i never did it before and wont do it after merges......i know that all my places where i lvl up will be packed with people and ill have to switch to one by one meele class instead of my favourite warlord :(((( and ill have to crush all my oed weapons so mobs wont die too quick )))
PerimeneMeErxome and Muld3r :) just quit or dont do that....like me, i want to do zaken or tiat, but my timezone and work not letting me do that and thats why i never did it before and wont do it after merges......i know that all my places where i lvl up will be packed with people and ill have to switch to one by one meele class instead of my favourite warlord :(((( and ill have to crush all my oed weapons so mobs wont die too quick )))
You can transfer to a server that matches to your free hours to play.Even though i think that is wise to have 2 options in each region..2 NA 2 EURO. Imagine one person or one clan getting disapointed in the one NA server for example..And they have to move to another server to find what they want in many cases..And they see that the ONLY option to choose is to transfer to a EURO server!! It's not good..This will not attract players back imo.Oh well NCSoft takes the decision,we just fill the feedback puzzle as well. :) Good luck to everyone after the merge!
The Server Merge 2010 Guide (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=211042) has been posted! This is a FAQ and walkthrough for many facets of the merge. We will post this onto the main website shortly.
The Server Merge 2010 Guide (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=211042) has been posted! This is a FAQ and walkthrough for many facets of the merge. We will post this onto the main website shortly.
Can you break it down for us. Or do we have to read the whole thing? I'm at work. :)
name merge is broken, some fanboi already created ForTheMotherTree on every other server. :( so gl getting my name :(
Not really. Whoever types in "ForTheMotherTree" at that post-merge character selection screen will 'win' that name. It's about speed, not who has the most alts with the same name.
Ah, thanks for the reminder. This was just added to the guide.
There will be an appeals process for those players who lose a name due to griefing or name-stealing tactics. If you lose a name due to griefing, send a support ticket and we will investigate the issue. If you lose a name and you’re not sure if it was through griefing or if it was a legitimate name-claim, send a support ticket so the GM team can investigate for you.
I've been gone for a bit and came back to read about all these changes in Freya and the server mergers... This thread is helpful but it's getting rediculous to find information in it. It's almost impossible to sort through it all in a timely manner...
Is it possible to start a Server Mergers FAQ thread that's locked and admin's (Sace and Moxie) can add info too as it becomes important? Just some idea's of questions:
- What happens if there are more than 7 characters on the account over multiple servers?
- What happens if someone steals my name? (Which I see mentioned directly above but it's a good one for a FAQ)
- What servers are merging? (I read all of NA and all of EU but saw some debate is it still this way?)
- How long will the merger take? (ie, how long will the servers been down?)
- How will this affect current Hero's and Olympiad period?
- How will Seven Signs join? (Since some servers have diff. quest/reward periods from others)
- What happens to clans with the same name?
- What happens to alliances with the same name?
- What happens to castle ownership?
- What happens to clan hall ownership?
A lot of these questions I think I know the answer too (or I do know the answers to), but it would be nice to find them all in one area, instead of having to sort through a 25 page forum thread filled with cheers, jeers, and off-topic banter (or even on-topic banter for that matter).
Thanks so much. <3 :)
~ Xel
PS - If this is posted somewhere and I've totally over-looked it then I'm sorry. Been gone a while so it's a tad overwhelming coming back to all this info! :)
Hello, I have a simple question that really worries me.
If I left 7 characters in EEUU servers and 7 in European, but the rest are in deleting process (2 days left, for example). Will you erase the ones deleting, or will u simply delete the lower ones, no matter if they are active or deleting?
Hope u solve this, I dnt want to lose even more characters... this merge will destroy more than enough stuff...
Hello, I have a simple question that really worries me.
If I left 7 characters in EEUU servers and 7 in European, but the rest are in deleting process (2 days left, for example). Will you erase the ones deleting, or will u simply delete the lower ones, no matter if they are active or deleting?
Hope u solve this, I dnt want to lose even more characters... this merge will destroy more than enough stuff...
As the GMs ALREADY wrote:
Other Character Consolidation Rules:
Characters Waiting for Deletion
Characters that are queued to be deleted before the server merge will be deleted successfully and will not interfere with your other characters' slot consolidation.For example: You have 8 characters across the merging servers, including a level 40 (the lowest of all your characters) and a level 41 (that you do not want to keep). You queue the level 41 for deletion and it is still waiting to be deleted when the server merge happens. After the server merge, the level 41 character will be gone, and the 7 other characters will remain, including the level 40.
Want to see it for your own eyes? It's in the link I provided earlier. >.>
I have a question about the merge, this hasn't been addressed as far as I know. I have a character on one of the servers that has the gift items from the Chaotic Throne, Pig Lollipop and the Black Half Mask. That character will most likely be deleted because it is a lower lvl compared to the one I want to keep on another server. The items I mentioned before were a one time use and non transferable. I would hate to lose the items because of the merge. Will it be possible to reuse the code to assign them to another character after the merge?
Ah, has anyone said how long the server(s) will be down :confused: ? If this has already been determined, sorry this thread is crazy to dig through for all the answers...Thanks in advance...:D
I'd say 4 to 8 hours folks and maybe longer or shorter. So plan to take the merge day off from gaming and play a game of soccer,football or basketball outside with your friends the day of the merge. Take your girlfriends out that day and spend quality time with them or your wives and kids.
Just my 2 cents. Now to run and hide so I don't get slapped with another infraction.