In order to promote a healthy and competitive environment, as well as to offer a better overall experience in Lineage II, we will be combining North American servers, as well as European servers, on October 5, 2010. We intend to make this transition as smooth as possible for all of our players and are confident that the end result will provide a thriving community of dedicated Lineage II players.
Merged Servers
North American Servers Bartz, Devianne, Sayha, Aria, and Phoenix will be combined into a single server.
European servers Teon, Franz, and Luna will be combined into a single server.
New Server Name Selection Process
We will be accepting new server name nominations (NA (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=210749) EU (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3014467)) from 12:00 PM PDT 9/10/2010 until 10:00 AM PDT 9/14/2010. Once we have sorted name nominations, we will provide polls for the community to vote on the new server names from 10:00 AM PDT 9/15/2010 until 5:00 PM PDT 9/17/2010.
Please Note
To minimize the number of duplicate name conflicts during the server merge process, we will be deleting any character under level 20 that has not logged into the game in more than one year. This can be prevented by logging into the dormant character any time prior to the server merge on October 5, 2010.
The number of total character slots per server will remain at 7 per account. If a single account has more than 7 characters across the servers being merged, the 7 characters with the highest amount of experience will be kept, while the remaining will be deleted. If you feel this scenario may affect you, please consider moving items from lower level characters to higher level characters to prevent the loss of any desired items or consider deleting characters that you choose not to keep.
More specific merge information (clans, alliances, castles, Olympiad, etc.) will be provided at a later time.
great all the cheaters that went to Luna and franz to set up bot shop get to come back again... that will be fun.. does that me more GM action if there are less servers to patrol?
Hi. You can call it even Betlehem if you want but the competitive behavior brings only agression and "GF" wold have no meaning at all. Dunno about you but I play L2 for comunity and bcoz I enjoy its complexity, not to be competitive.
You mentioned that characters lower than lvl 20 and have not logged in recently will be deleted. Then, my questions are:
1. Will characters that are lower than lvl 20 but has been recently active (logged in, in the past week) will be deleted or only applies to the ones that have not been active?
2. If there is a character with the name "IamBob" in servers merging, will the rule of the number of server appear after the name such as "IamBob1, IamBob2, etc." and whoever logs in first basically can namechange to "IamBob" and keep the name? or how does this work?
( In Essence, I am asking how the name change policy will apply and work? )
Just to keep in mind that whole lotta bunch of us has lvl 1 characters used for banks/wharehouse/storage/etc that we use actively.
So hope Moxie or Sace or anyone can 100% confirm with this, thanks.
i guess marketing and attracting new players is out of the question... with these mergers any influx of players we might see will push the servers over max population.
also, all of the masses of high lvls recently banned will make new chars, so the housecleaning performed really did nothing imo.
are you planning on making new clan halls? new methods of gaining clan halls? methods of moving clans over? does everyone loose their clan halls in rune/aden/goddard/schutt?
no offense to ncsoft, but before you merged 1 server into another and it went horribly with lots of people upset. now you are migrating all servers into 1 "new" server per region. this is a scary concept...
I think the demand for merges got a little ...
OVERCOMPENSATED !!!!!
1 server ? for all the american servers ?
There is no way that anny LEGIT player will find a SINGLE place to
xp annymore...
Not to mention that Neutral clans won't be recognized by populations
of the other servers.
So i think u'r gonan lose a LOT of kind players who wanan play for fun
and not to pvp bots 24/7 to have a little place in the game.
Not to mention that there's 2 pure bot servers, i dont need to mention
wich ones everyone knows wich...
That will prevent acces to all good places like they already done
to hellbound and renamed it to N...Bound... fill in the gap i know u can.
They will get their memebrs who are scattered all across to form one
big massive block.
U killed my favotir game, this time u've done it...
Worst decision ever!
Not to mention the LAG everyone will get!
The PTS server already lagged like hell for everyone
This gonna be WAY worse!
I think the demand for merges got a little ...
OVERCOMPENSATED !!!!!
1 server ? for all the american servers ?
There is no way that anny LEGIT player will find a SINGLE place to
xp annymore...
Not to mention that Neutral clans won't be recognized by populations
of the other servers.
So i think u'r gonan lose a LOT of kind players who wanan play for fun
and not to pvp bots 24/7 to have a little place in the game.
Not to mention that there's 2 pure bot servers, i dont need to mention
wich ones everyone knows wich...
That will prevent acces to all good places like they already done
to hellbound and renamed it to N...Bound... fill in the gap i know u can.
They will get their memebrs who are scattered all across to form one
big massive block.
U killed my favotir game, this time u've done it...
Worst decision ever!
Not to mention the LAG everyone will get!
The PTS server already lagged like hell for everyone
This gonna be WAY worse!
lol. bots will have a hard time botting. legit players will remain legit regardless. stop crying, if you wanna continue roleplaying on your own go play private.
For the Euro servers merging 3 into one wont be an
issue tho, there it was needed ...
But please for gods sake, reconsider the 1 server for NA
Make it at least 2 ot 3 NOT 1!!
i do agree.. 2 at least lol. population overflood i mean i do understand you guys trying to merge all them together at once so you dont have to merge AGAIn for the bajillion time but.. how can some players compensate for the lag and ..idk maybe it ll be worth it, we ll just have to watch and see. havent seen any server with so many people since c3 so..
lol. bots will have a hard time botting. legit players will remain legit regardless. stop crying, if you wanna continue roleplaying on your own go play private.
i do agree.. 2 at least lol. population overflood i mean i do understand you guys trying to merge all them together at once so you dont have to merge AGAIn for the bajillion time but.. how can some players compensate for the lag and ..idk maybe it ll be worth it, we ll just have to watch and see. havent seen any server with so many people since c3 so..
and exactly how will bots have a hard time lvling when they dont care about pk counts and xp, and will go perma red on leg0ts like yourself?
You mentioned that characters lower than lvl 20 and have not logged in recently will be deleted. Then, my questions are:
1. Will characters that are lower than lvl 20 but has been recently active (logged in, in the past week) will be deleted or only applies to the ones that have not been active?
2. If there is a character with the name "IamBob" in servers merging, will the rule of the number of server appear after the name such as "IamBob1, IamBob2, etc." and whoever logs in first basically can namechange to "IamBob" and keep the name? or how does this work?
( In Essence, I am asking how the name change policy will apply and work? )
Just to keep in mind that whole lotta bunch of us has lvl 1 characters used for banks/wharehouse/storage/etc that we use actively.
So hope Moxie or Sace or anyone can 100% confirm with this, thanks.
These questions will be addressed when we share the full details of the merge process. However, I can answer "dormant characters" that will be deleted must meet both requirements. Below level 20 and not logged into the game in more than one year. If the character is logged in before the merge, it will not be deleted based on the dormant character rule.
The game is designed for players to compete for the best xp spots. Right now on most servers anyone can pick any spot. The game is designed for players to fight hard for hero, not just for 2-3 players have a chance and often for agreements to be made.
Crowded servers are needed to get the #s of 84+ players required for valakas, antharas, etc.
Don't complain about the #s, be happy about these changes and how they will improve our gaming experience.
So in other words... money? to much to make it so we can add a few spots on the selection screen?.. I have toons on more than one server and now face deleting toons that are not low level toons to satisfy thier needs.
Would have been nice if they considered that alot of people have toons elsewhere (some for years) and at least added 2 or 4 spots so we dont have to lose good toons.
Sigh... sad to see things being wittled down. We pay, we play, and we pay again.......:(
These questions will be addressed when we share the full details of the merge process. However, I can answer "dormant characters" that will be deleted must meet both requirements. Below level 20 and not logged into the game in more than one year. If the character is logged in before the merge, it will not be deleted based on the dormant character rule.
-Moxie
what about names of high lvl banned characters? are those names available again or still unavailable?
Seeing it from the point of support - it should be easier for GMs to monitor two servers than 8 servers. It should be easier for them to track violators and deliver better customer service.
To the massive quits - maybe some people will quit, maybe the new servers will cleanse themselves a bit.
I very much doubt I will be playing this game much longer after october, I like being able to find a hunt spot after 30 minutes wait and hunting for the poor XP rates without being ganked and killed 24/7.
This is just way too much of a change for the normal community, ok for the "elite" who only log in to pvp and are 85/80/80/80 already with full gear but these are players that will quit in a heartbeat anyway.
Well I enjoyed L2 while it lasted and liked being able to finally aim for my goals of 83+ etc, but now I imagine the decent hunt spots of all levels are gonna be so crowded and ganked that tons of people like me will end up quitting.
PLEASE Don't make it 1 NA and 1 EU server, I don't want to have to walk away from my hard work again!
well, i can understand sometimes ppl saying that l2 is dead . . . but need to be all NA in 1? god thats too much . . . little clans will be swept form l2 . . . make at least 2 servers . . .
well, i can understand sometimes ppl saying that l2 is dead . . . but need to be all NA in 1? god thats too much . . . little clans will be swept form l2 . . . make at least 2 servers . . .
why cant little clans compete against each other?
any games have the high lvls pvp and low lvls pvping.
thats the sorta stuff L2 lost since all these s80, s84, and 80++++++
I don't get why people are confused when people ask for merges then cry at this, it's pretty clear and obvious.
People wanted merges, but this is overkill, too many players, too many pvp toons, too many pks and ganks.
First the players who play for fun and personal goals will quit.
Then the PVP clans who lose the fights will quit or move clans.
Then the servers will be exactly the same state as they are now apart from with just 2 1000 player servers instead of 8.
The game is too established and players are too used to how it is currently to retain many players with an extreme merge like this. Oh well, I guess getting away from L2 finally will do good for my real life, help me achieve my goal of making something better one day. :D
Best advice is stock up on mats and parts and hold till after merge prices will shoot through the roof.
2 or 3 servers combing into one is doable but now you have 5x the clans trying to get the same amount of clan halls?
FOG is already crowded on DEV and so is other high spots.... guess legits are back to sitting on the sidelines and I was just getting to a competitive level again lol there goes that idea.
I'm actually more worried it will be unplayable because of lag
the lag on the PTS was already horrible for 80 % of the people
so this will be way way way worse.
No illusions on bots taking over al lthe good spots
that's a usual..
But :
who will own the clan halls , forts etc
at start of the new server 50 bids of 99 billion per clan hall ???
off course the bots will have it because they can click faster then
a human can...
Forts well, lets say all big clans who wont have hall will need fort
wich will leave all other clans, and yes even verry big clans
whitout forts or halls GG
Moxie may i suggest bring back 12 clan alliances then?
Since as it stands now... 3 clan alliance when your merging 5 servers is a little LOL if you know what I mean.
NA people will not give up their identities even in little clans its hard to get people to merge most of the time so forcing us into bigger clans will not work. Big alliances are more popular then large clans in NA imo opinion.
Also a lot less damage is done when a clan leaves alliance then 20 members leaving a clan.
is it really over kill? i dont know the numbers, but if the NA servers have a average population of 1k each, then merging all into 1 is NP, after all, servers did have 4k+ before (btw, isnt it around 4k servers are "normal"?) and 1 server with 5k ppl should not be a problem.
about getting XP, atm on Teon id say about 70-90% of all rooms in XP areas never have ppl in them. you have Stakato nest, MoS, hellbound, cita 1, cita 2 and SoA each with place for ATLEAST 5-10 XP parties. then you have mithril mines, crypts of disgrace, wild beast, den of evil, dino island, field of silence, sel mahums, plains of lizardmen and IoP for high level solo spots.
now... will there REALLY!? be any problem with XP spots? maybe your favourite spot might be taken, but there is always others.
as far as i can see this is the lsat try to ncsoft na make l2 get new players again.. dunno how many here are realy old school, but at old school times we would have manyt clans at sieges.. we would have pvp at ALL CASTLES.. neutral side will FINALY come back to game... finaly u can make 2 co ally into neutrals to make big clans work with smaller neutrals... now this game gona be like it was b4... pvp for xp :] the only problem is who alreayd cheated... but w/e they will have who to fight ^^
is it really over kill? i dont know the numbers, but if the NA servers have a average population of 1k each, then merging all into 1 is NP, after all, servers did have 4k+ before (btw, isnt it around 4k servers are "normal"?) and 1 server with 5k ppl should not be a problem.
about getting XP, atm on Teon id say about 70-90% of all rooms in XP areas never have ppl in them. you have Stakato nest, MoS, hellbound, cita 1, cita 2 and SoA each with place for ATLEAST 5-10 XP parties. then you have mithril mines, crypts of disgrace, wild beast, den of evil, dino island, field of silence, sel mahums, plains of lizardmen and IoP for high level solo spots.
now... will there REALLY!? be any problem with XP spots? maybe your favourite spot might be taken, but there is always others.
there will be also pvp..
Moxie may i suggest bring back 12 clan alliances then?
Since as it stands now... 3 clan alliance when your merging 5 servers is a little LOL if you know what I mean.
NA people will not give up their identities even in little clans its hard to get people to merge most of the time so forcing us into bigger clans will not work. Big alliances are more popular then large clans in NA imo opinion.
Also a lot less damage is done when a clan leaves alliance then 20 members leaving a clan.
3 clan alliance is fine if NCsoft would get smart and make hero debuffs and regular aoe's/debuffs not work ON YOUR ALLY MEMBERS!!!
why this isnt implemented is beyond me... whats the point of an ally? ally chat? woohoo
as far as i can see this is the lsat try to ncsoft na make l2 get new players again.. dunno how many here are realy old school, but at old school times we would have manyt clans at sieges.. we would have pvp at ALL CASTLES.. neutral side will FINALY come back to game... finaly u can make 2 co ally into neutrals to make big clans work with smaller neutrals... now this game gona be like it was b4... pvp for xp :] the only problem is who alreayd cheated... but w/e they will have who to fight ^^
EXACTLY! This game was 10 times better in Prelude, C1, C2 when there were TONS of people everywhere, and pvp would break out over a single mob let alone a spot. I don't understand why people cry so much about pvp and possible xp loss... especially with clan luck 2 and wars.
EXACTLY! This game was 10 times better in Prelude, C1, C2 when there were TONS of people everywhere, and pvp would break out over a single mob let alone a spot. I don't understand why people cry so much about pvp and possible xp loss... especially with clan luck 2 and wars.
yea but PvP then was more fun as there were no elements, epics, imba lvl differences, oe'd skills, prophecies, etc. etc.
the game was much more fun back then
but i dont think the main complaint (at least from me anyways) is the physical number of people on the servers, its more of the way they will handle everything else such as clans with clan skills, clan halls, castles, etc. my guess is they will just say owell too bad to most of those ppl (which maybe doesnt affect us end game players, but why merge servers to 1 if half the clans quit because they lost all the stuff they worked for?)
I hope NCSOFT GMs work real now or else this merge will be an EPIC FAIL. If they work and start ban the cheaters the game will be healthy for long time.
who will own the clan halls , forts etc
at start of the new server 50 bids of 99 billion per clan hall ???
off course the bots will have it because they can click faster then
a human can...
Forts well, lets say all big clans who wont have hall will need fort
wich will leave all other clans, and yes even verry big clans
whitout forts or halls GG
9 castles, 21 forts = 30 clans. you really think there will be more then 30 big clans? and that they wouldnt be able to capture a fortress if they wanted one?
38 clan halls that on auction.
6 clan halls thats obtainable by war.
as it is, not all clans that have a CH is really an active clan, rather some alt clan for ppl.
sure, there will certainly be big clans without a CH. but i think they will be few.
Well i'm happy yet sad at the same time, yes its great that there will be more people around to buy/sell stuff to. will be easier getting what i need. yet at the same time will be harder to XP or so it would seem(we will see how packed spots will be). and as far as the pvp i could care less i been in big clans and don't back down if someone flags on me but all in all i much rather be left alone to xp, as lot of us don't have alot of time to play and are not 85/80/80/80 all geared out. as far as people saying QQ i see none of this as QQing, people posting what they think. i am glad to know i will not see the same people hero every month and all they do is hero shout about how people bot/ bsoe and what not.... sorry but most of us don't care lol yes funny to watch them fight like little kids and say they are so good at pvp but only got hero cuz they get fed/free gear from clan and the likes. all in all i will keep playing till it becomes inpossible for me to play i see this as a good thing/bad thing at the same time. just my 2 cents
EXACTLY! This game was 10 times better in Prelude, C1, C2 when there were TONS of people everywhere, and pvp would break out over a single mob let alone a spot. I don't understand why people cry so much about pvp and possible xp loss... especially with clan luck 2 and wars.
Back in the day you didn't NEED level 85 and full gear to be competitive in pvp, players with 20 level difference and gear difference could still compete, everyone from 52-75 sieged and made an impact on the field.
Now levels are insanely slow and theres a huge high end gear and stat gap. it's easy to lose up to 5 hours of XP in one death. Constant ganks, pvp and stuggles to get hunt spots mean non-competitive players lose out masses, these players are L2's bread and butter, they far outnumber the high end players. With the increase in high end players on each server they'll flood out to take over the spots in the game non-competitive players hunt and push them out.
hi guys i have a little question i have well in na server lots of char but i play in phoenix server the rest of toons will be delete? and i have a toon in sayha lvl 30 aprox forgot atm but with the same name to pheonix but in phoenix server the lvl 60
I heard on WoW if an area is full of people and you can't XP there is a way you can create a new instance of that area.
How bout we do something like that? This isn't about PvP QQ, this is about actually being able to spend time doing something other than wandering around.
Lots of new machines will be available to run the instances with the freed up servers.
Not sure how many people will be happy about paying $15/month to look at other toons all over the place.
i don't know the numbers on the euro server so i can't comment on their side.
But on our side, i lived through the Kain-Lionna merger as part of a 3 clan ally with plenty of active people, 3 months after more then 50% of players had left totally disgusted. that trend was not only in our ally. We saw whole clan where we had many friend vanish completely.
Looking at our current server populations, their goal of nice big plentiful server were a big fail as near half the players left.
Now you think that merging 5 down to 1 will do better...seriously
You should revise your plan for NA to 2 servers, 5 is totally Overkill, and also totally prevents you from advertising and maybe get some new blood in.
And for all of you who blast away that we QQ think for a minute, when most are gone and the single NA server drops to 1.5k player, think they will keep running this game we like so much.
I'm still here for a while, but i think that time interval will be seriously cut short by a terrible decision from a pencil pusher
deku basically if same name on NA servers, delete the lowest lvl toon, or it will be deleted on server merge.
lol what are you talking about. only deleted if its low lvl toon AND have not been logged for a year.
a lot of people have lvl 1 toons for banks/wharehouse/and afk shops -_-'' im pretty sure u do too unless u carry all ur mats in ur main loool
so why would they delete ur toon if the old policy was just add a number next to ur name like "name1, name2, name3" and whoever logs in first can change back their name to "name" and the other person with name1 have to change to something else
I heard on WoW if an area is full of people and you can't XP there is a way you can create a new instance of that area.
How bout we do something like that? This isn't about PvP QQ, this is about actually being able to spend time doing something other than wandering around.
Lots of new machines will be available to run the instances with the freed up servers.
Not sure how many people will be happy about paying $15/month to look at other toons all over the place.
a big NO to instances
lol what are you talking about. only deleted if its low lvl toon AND have not been logged for a year.
a lot of people have lvl 1 toons for banks/wharehouse/and afk shops -_-'' im pretty sure u do too unless u carry all ur mats in ur main loool
so why would they delete ur toon if the old policy was just add a number next to ur name like "name1, name2, name3" and whoever logs in first can change back their name to "name" and the other person with name1 have to change to something else
One step closer to L2 closing their doors. I get the merge idea, means different things for different people. Personally, I don't want the merge, but like before I go along with it. I like the game and will most likely play until they close the doors on this game. Maybe this time next year this game will have half the population it does now, unless NC gets off their hind- end to bring in more players.
A few carebears/bots will quit due to "overcrowding" but many people that quit due to low server populations will come back to have tons of fun.
People really get that attached to a game where tunnel vision doesn't allow them to see the bigger picture?
Will be a lot of fun!
The worse part will be top clans allying with other top clans to dominate because they are afraid to lose a fight or two and then we will be back to where we are now with servers that have no fun pvp.
As you said you are aiming for 3000 - 4000 people on one server and that is good, sure.
But with this merge 2500+ of these people will be hunting all in the high level areas.
And the rest scattered around diffrent levels.
And for the clans that are active that will probably lose a clan hall, is this something that will be handled? or just left to the wind as the last server merge ?
You do remember how ****** people were that lost there clan hall ?
It will sure be intresting how this will turn out.
good job, want a cookie for having pvped in your mom's closet for the last 4-5 years by yourself. frankly i dont care
If you dont care why comment?
Also, im not the one raging on the forums like a 5 year old. But now the real life flames come which just shows how little your brain has developed, or your own personal lack of acceptance in society (hence the anger to strangers on a forum over nothing), but most likely its both of the above...
Also, im not the one raging on the forums like a 5 year old. But now the real life flames come which just shows how little your brain has developed, or your own personal lack of acceptance in society (hence the anger to strangers on a forum over nothing), but most likely its both of the above...
dude now ur real mad. lol
you should apply what you wrote, to yourself
LOLMAGAD at this one...I was expecting 2 EU servers and 2 NA servers...but putting now all into one pod and make 1 each...I dont know if this is a so good thing for this game.
LOLMAGAD at this one...I was expecting 2 EU servers and 2 NA servers...but putting now all into one pod and make 1 each...I dont know if this is a so good thing for this game.
this game was ment for 3k+ populations
it's an MMO after all
by having this many ppl on server the full l2 potential will come out
Well.... I think this is gonna be a big mess lol But yeah some ppl will be happy with it some wont... everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make one right or one wrong. It really doesn't matter at this point its gonna happen. Can we name the new server
Cluster-_-? lol
it's an MMO after all
by having this many ppl on server the full l2 potential will come out
Well lets hope so...Sure I think this might be positiv..but when you think twice..you notice that many negative stuff comes up to...and not many may agree to surrender to that.
Anyways..lets hope for the best.
Also changing Teons name into a new one is not a good ideia. I mean..Everybody knows Teon..a legendary server name with much history. Why changing it...Sure..merge all 3 EU servers into a new one..so new name needed...but anyways...Teon is epic and i would like to keep this name.
Well.... I think this is gonna be a big mess lol But yeah some ppl will be happy with it some wont... everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make one right or one wrong. It really doesn't matter at this point its gonna happen. Can we name the new server
Cluster-_-? lol
Well, the moment I was dreading is finally comming.
While I know this welcomed by many who only play for PVP, this change is not received very fondly by myself. I do relish the opportunity to meet new people, but, I don't feel like having to spend 30 minutes just to find a spot to go XP. Fight for my spot? I can hardly compete with people who can make more XP in their sleep than I can by playing for 4 hours straight, and certainly not gear up the way they do either. The PVP aspect of the game is mostly out for me and most of my clannies and allies. I play this game basically to relax, have fun and socialize with some fun people.
Last server merge led to a lot of resentment, chaos and ultimately and a lot of good(see HONEST) people left.
This is an invitation for Moxie, Sace, Nyx and everyone else at NCSoft to explain to us, how this will benefit the great majority of players and not just a small minority. Even though you are not permitted to give out details on the actual mechanics of how the merge will happen, do tell us how this is going to make our game experience better.
Well, the moment I was dreading is finally comming.
While I know this welcomed by many who only play for PVP, this change is not received very fondly by myself. I do relish the opportunity to meet new people, but, I don't feel like having to spend 30 minutes just to find a spot to go XP. Fight for my spot? I can hardly compete with people who can make more XP in their sleep than I can by playing for 4 hours straight, and certainly not gear up the way they do either. The PVP aspect of the game is mostly out for me and most of my clannies and allies. I play this game basically to relax, have fun and socialize with some fun people.
Last server merge led to a lot of resentment, chaos and ultimately and a lot of good(see HONEST) people left.
This is an invitation for Moxie, Sace, Nyx and everyone else at NCSoft to explain to us, how this will benefit the great majority of players and not just a small minority. Even though you are not permitted to give out details on the actual mechanics of how the merge will happen, do tell us how this is going to make our game experience better.
Don't think that those who post on the official forums are the majority!
You have got to be joking with the merger QQing in this thread. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and those that wanted to pretend it would be different now find themselves crying for no reason. They have told us many times the population should be at a certain level by design, which none of the servers were near. The high level raids are now designed for a large attendance. Let’s not overlook the fact that they condensed all the servers to one central location (HUGE CLUE) just last month.
All the complaining and tears shed in this thread is NOT going to change the fact that it is ECONMICALLY a business move for NCSoft. You could dance around a rainbow and believe in your heart that it will be better service and profitability if you like.
If you plan on leaving the game over this latest change, just do it! No need to threaten us or NCSoft. Also, the “This is the final straw†line is BORING and is a huge indicator that you are flailing around in your mom’s basement crying like a brat. Some words of advice…. If you can find a better game to play go play it already. You can find happiness out there somewhere. Just don’t forget to leave us your gear.
Spend less time reading the forums and more time playing the game for god sake.
You have got to be joking with the merger QQing in this thread. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and those that wanted to pretend it would be different now find themselves crying for no reason. They have told us many times the population should be at a certain level by design, which none of the servers were near. The high level raids are now designed for a large attendance. Let’s not overlook the fact that they condensed all the servers to one central location (HUGE CLUE) just last month.
All the complaining and tears shed in this thread is NOT going to change the fact that it is ECONMICALLY a business move for NCSoft. You could dance around a rainbow and believe in your heart that it will be better service and profitability if you like.
If you plan on leaving the game over this latest change, just do it! No need to threaten us or NCSoft. Also, the “This is the final straw†line is BORING and is a huge indicator that you are flailing around in your mom’s basement crying like a brat. Some words of advice…. If you can find a better game to play go play it already. You can find happiness out there somewhere. Just don’t forget to leave us your gear.
Spend less time reading the forums and more time playing the game for god sake.
Well said..yeah i can agree on that. Just really hope this will only bring positiv things. I heard the last merge wasnt that good at all and many left because of it.
I have to be honest. That sounds like a death-knell for L2 in Western territories. I hope I'm wrong, and for some reason the new server brings newbies to the game, and feeds it. But I would think the same pattern as last time is more likely.
Well the game is designed for more people than we have now. We all know that. Even now, all the new content, and if it is high lvl content is meant to for a large server and not for a small amount of people. This game is and always meant to be a "massiv pvp mmorpg" so lets get one back again like in old c2/c3 times.
hmm... not too sure what to think about this... it should be interesting.
I just have ONE main concern... what will be done about LAG???
TW & Seiges are already very laggy, after mergers I'm afraid we wont be able to move at all.
hmm... not too sure what to think about this... it should be interesting.
I just have ONE main concern... what will be done about LAG???
TW & Seiges are already very laggy, after mergers I'm afraid we wont be able to move at all.
Well that for they "upgraded" the hardware for the servers before...remember? ;)
Even Teon, which is healthy in terms of population compared to other servers, feels empty to how it was in the past. I like the idea of more people and a more active market/ server etc. For me, the issue is with how the merge will be implemented. Fix the lag issues that have been going on since the server updates, before you go and make it worse with merge and give clear guidelines on what will happen with clanhalls/ castles etc because these are major issues to most clans and their members. If you get these things wrong ( again) it'll just be ....... ****, basically.
Very good news.
1 final blast and play the way it was ment to be before the lights will turn off permanent.
Enjoy while it last, might be your best experience in game you'll ever get.
personally i think it will be a good thing to do this, and with only 2 servers i really hope that NCsoft now can focus on exterminating the bot population too so that active playing ppl dont have to try compete with bots when getting mats etc. i think it would help keep alot of players in game and hopefully also get old ppl back.
the lax attitude towards bots that ncsoft have had sofar, have been the worst killer for the game itself imo.
personally i think it will be a good thing to do this, and with only 2 servers i really hope that NCsoft now can focus on exterminating the bot population too so that active playing ppl dont have to try compete with bots when getting mats etc. i think it would help keep alot of players in game and hopefully also get old ppl back.
the lax attitude towards bots that ncsoft have had sofar, have been the worst killer for the game itself imo.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and more !
well, was expecting 2 servers per region, but same thing in the end
I just hope now that we have only 2 servers total, the GM WILL be there and do a daily banhammer swinging whenever they find botters or pvp assist program users. If it's the last attempt at reviving the game, let's make it at least a good one.
Still, can see a lot of people quitting who got used to playing on less populated servers for the last years, for them it will be a completely different game and it will suck hard and I predict the server will lose half the people in just a couple months. Let's not talk about "total pvp is the way the game is meant to be played", it is pretty obvious we here on the NA servers play the game in a very different way to how the Korean devs intended it.
Id be interested in them starting 1 relaxed server in NA after they merge all of them and allow no transfers onto it and NO transfers off it. It would give those that had no interest in playing on a busy server who were going to leave anyway an option to keep paying NC Soft.
ATM i understand that there is a large portion of people who are interested in PVP on mass scales; I dont believe the loss of people who have less of an interest in PVP would have any effect on those who do. Im sure there would be an influx of bots as it happened with luna but it wouldnt be the problem of those who are not on that server and would be something that those who chose to use the server would need to deal with.
Im also interested in seeing a Progression Server Eventually so i can experience what it was like before the update that i came in on.
Best advice is stock up on mats and parts and hold till after merge prices will shoot through the roof.
2 or 3 servers combing into one is doable but now you have 5x the clans trying to get the same amount of clan halls?
FOG is already crowded on DEV and so is other high spots.... guess legits are back to sitting on the sidelines and I was just getting to a competitive level again lol there goes that idea.
How so? You have only 1 NA server all those GM's need to look after, instead of trying to monitor 5 different ones.
Id be interested in them starting 1 relaxed server in NA after they merge all of them and allow no transfers onto it and NO transfers off it. It would give those that had no interest in playing on a busy server who were going to leave anyway an option to keep paying NC Soft.
Relax servers (in Korea at least) have nothing to do with population. It's just a higher rate server that limits you with regards to the amount of time you can be logged in, I think it's like 20 hours/week.
Well servers have been recently moved to better hardware with the obvious intent of raise the max population cap. So i do guess they can handle more peopl ein one server then on our hardware.
1 server prer region, altought i really don't know how US is a merge between only Luna and Franz would end up with another dead server in "maybe 6 months" so yeah 1 server in EU is more then enought. For make all those US servers into one i guess most of them are more then dead, people just don't whant to have competioton back to L2.
Imo? EVERYONE READY TO PVP FOR SPOTS? YEY, FUN AGAIN!
L2 was never a carebear friendly game, so i do welcome competition again even if it will be harder to get max lvl now :D
I just whant the GM's to do their jobs and ban, ban, ban!!! THE HAMMER MUST BE OVER THEIR HEADS!
wow.. at least I guessed the date and the number of servers correctly...
This will be fun to watch...
hehe you weren't the only one, don't really understand how (in particular long time) players haven't noticed the decline in the amount of active players per server as it's quite obvious..
Teon atm is has the most active players and that is actually below 2k these days, check Teon market then go check all the other servers and draw your own conclusions.
anywayz been throu all these arguments before so I'll try to just let it go and watch the show :)
Relax servers (in Korea at least) have nothing to do with population. It's just a higher rate server that limits you with regards to the amount of time you can be logged in, I think it's like 20 hours/week.
And no they are not popular Korea
By relaxed server im not necessarily meaning that it would need to be like the Korean version. I meant it more of not being focused in on PVPing but more i would say the "carebear" version as ive heard used.
Everyone who wants the merges is basically saying at the same time, they could care less if the carebears, and those who dont really focus on pvp or arent looking forward to it leave; so what would be the harm in allowing another server with no transfer option so you couldnt raise a toon in the relaxed server then move over to the PVP server.
As you said you are aiming for 3000 - 4000 people on one server and that is good, sure.
But with this merge 2500+ of these people will be hunting all in the high level areas.
And the rest scattered around diffrent levels.
If they follow up with a fast introduction of High Five this will all work out fine as it means 2 more huge 80+ xp areas aka Dragon Valley & Cave as well much easier way to xp up past 79 with the reduced xp requirement etc.
Those people who cry that they wont have exp spots, are a minority of people who have failed at succeeding in the game. And talking about success, it doesn't have to be by non legit ways, but they totally refuse to accept people superior to them by calling them cheaters.
On the contrary, those people who constantly crying about exp spots, are the ones who want lineage 2 servers remain DEAD and empty so they can enjoy their "Gaming" if it can be called like that.
Perhaps you should guys consider that with at least a total of 2 servers, GM's will be able to patrol and confront cheaters in a more effective way but as i see there are even thread about exp spots taken by big clans etc. Enjoy that Lineage 2 is getting a chance to be alive again and step up to make the difference instead of permanently crying whatever decisions will be taken. Join a good clan, you dont have to be a cheater to succeed, be a part of server..There's always have to be this and that that bothers you but you never see the bright side of things and u also not see that now servers gonna be as crowded as they were in the past that none was complaining.. Chill out and enjoy the game.
If they follow up with a fast introduction of High Five this will all work out fine as it means 2 more huge 80+ xp areas aka Dragon Valley & Cave as well much easier way to xp up past 79 with the reduced xp requirement etc.
Those people who cry that they wont have exp spots, are a minority of people who have failed at succeeding in the game. And talking about success, it doesn't have to be by non legit ways, but they totally refuse to accept people superior to them by calling them cheaters.
On the contrary, those people who constantly crying about exp spots, are the ones who want lineage 2 servers remain DEAD and empty so they can enjoy their "Gaming" if it can be called like that.
Perhaps you should guys consider that with at least a total of 2 servers, GM's will be able to patrol and confront cheaters in a more effective way but as i see there are even thread about exp spots taken by big clans etc. Enjoy that Lineage 2 is getting a chance to be alive again and step up to make the difference instead of permanently crying whatever decisions will be taken. Join a good clan, you dont have to be a cheater to succeed, be a part of server..There's always have to be this and that that bothers you but you never see the bright side of things and u also not see that now servers gonna be as crowded as they were in the past that none was complaining.. Chill out and enjoy the game.
I cant necessarily agree with your sentiments. Saying that the people crying about hunting spots are people who have failed at succeeding in the game isnt completely true. Everyone makes the games they play into the game they want, for instance it took me 4 1/2 years to get an S grade character the way i leveled but i succeeded the way i wanted. Though server status and population stats say that i didnt succeed at the game myself i feel i did. While I understand that the enjoyment of the many matters; at some point do you not need to consider those small people?
Having 1 massively merged NA server will be beneficial for server pvp/castle sieges which at one point was NC Softs Bread and butter. But if you look at the trend in NA I believe there is equal reason to believe that non PVP types can and do enjoy lineage 2. With the updates coming (high Five) it will increase the leveling ability of people as well as the Lux shop selling A grade further helps to allow newbies to get to a grade armor without a huge expense. I do see the benifit however of adding 1 Non PVP based type server which is for RP or relaxed players who enjoy just playing the game at their own pace and having PVP every 2 weeks. I know the game wasnt designed around the carebear mentality of just gaming but if people want to make it that way they shouldnt be harassed or condemned for doing so.
I enjoy the game plenty, so please dont take me as a carebear qqing. Im sure i will continue enjoying this game even when it is massively merged together and top level hunting spots are taken and fought over. I for one enjoy the lower level areas and am happy to level lower level toons until the upper spots either empty out from people leaving the game or move on after newer expansions.
Those people who cry that they wont have exp spots, are a minority of people who have failed at succeeding in the game. And talking about success, it doesn't have to be by non legit ways, but they totally refuse to accept people superior to them by calling them cheaters.
On the contrary, those people who constantly crying about exp spots, are the ones who want lineage 2 servers remain DEAD and empty so they can enjoy their "Gaming" if it can be called like that.
Perhaps you should guys consider that with at least a total of 2 servers, GM's will be able to patrol and confront cheaters in a more effective way but as i see there are even thread about exp spots taken by big clans etc. Enjoy that Lineage 2 is getting a chance to be alive again and step up to make the difference instead of permanently crying whatever decisions will be taken. Join a good clan, you dont have to be a cheater to succeed, be a part of server..There's always have to be this and that that bothers you but you never see the bright side of things and u also not see that now servers gonna be as crowded as they were in the past that none was complaining.. Chill out and enjoy the game.
Get a clue.... It seems you forgot those times when bots were controlling major exp spots like varka or ketra and players couldn't do a ****. I think it's reasonable fear that this is going to repeat because spots like Disgrace are very easy to bot or set a script.
I agree. Five servers merging in one is sipmly too much. How are you going to deal with the clan hall and name issues? Prepare for massive quits.
++++1, I've been thinking about looking for a new game asap too now, this is the final nail in the coffin for L2 NA.
1 server for whole NA, can be described with 2 words: "Greed" and "Laziness"..... merges is one thing, but taking the cheap way out and mixing all together just to have 1 server only to maintain, is stupid, disloyal and selfish on NC's part.
Those people who cry that they wont have exp spots, are a minority of people who have failed at succeeding in the game. And talking about success, it doesn't have to be by non legit ways, but they totally refuse to accept people superior to them by calling them cheaters.
On the contrary, those people who constantly crying about exp spots, are the ones who want lineage 2 servers remain DEAD and empty so they can enjoy their "Gaming" if it can be called like that.
Perhaps you should guys consider that with at least a total of 2 servers, GM's will be able to patrol and confront cheaters in a more effective way but as i see there are even thread about exp spots taken by big clans etc. Enjoy that Lineage 2 is getting a chance to be alive again and step up to make the difference instead of permanently crying whatever decisions will be taken. Join a good clan, you dont have to be a cheater to succeed, be a part of server..There's always have to be this and that that bothers you but you never see the bright side of things and u also not see that now servers gonna be as crowded as they were in the past that none was complaining.. Chill out and enjoy the game.
We all know that will never happen :rolleyes:, even if there were only 2 ppl left playing on a server, u'd still get a standard reply, and then u'd wait 6 months+ for a result, if ur very lucky to get a result at all. ;)
Get a clue.... It seems you forgot those times when bots were controlling major exp spots like varka or ketra and players couldn't do a ****. I think it's reasonable fear that this is going to repeat because spots like Disgrace are very easy to bot or set a script.
I actually remember when it was fun to go out of town and see also live people exping, struggling for their exp spot, and we had fun even if we had to protect our spot from a bot, because exp had a meaning back on those days. Well, maybe some players dont enjoy this way, and i respect this opinion but i believe, the majority of players would enjoy having a challenge when the log in either if its to fight for a castle, or fight for your exp spot at whatever level you are. And about bots, the past week i have seen thousands of them dissapearing.
i think what alot of people for get is no matter how much the gm's ban and look after things of this subject. there are STILL bots, look how many mass bans have happened on all servers and what do those botters do??? make new accounts and start over cuz they don't give a rats butt, as far as the pvp thing goes, carebear or not its going to be there, even I a so called carebear have pvp and pk counts just cuz i get sick of being push around or just someone ****** me off, we all get to this point. is pvp the only aspect of the game NO, thats why their was mobs, the game is pvp and pve and people should have the right to choose if they want to pvp or pve and we all do that cuz we have the right too so why don't we lay off that subject and focus more on other this like how will they do this and what are they going to do if problems do come up? back to the bot thing as i said they will never leave cuz there is a market in them doing it. some do not buy items accounts gold and such some do, some even bot themselfs even this they swear they don't, i've seen many on my server go from new char to 80+ with 76+ 3x subs in a matter of months and turn around and say they are legit???? gms can only do so much and fact is ncsoft does make a good amount of money off these bots, considering bots have 4+ accounts they get banned they make new and these accounts are paid for all year around. its just sad to see people treating others this way when fact is carebear would get some of the stuff they needed with out the pvpers and vise versa
as a said befor this whole deal is good and bad for all players it has many good points that will happen and also many bad, ncsoft has made their move and honestly no matter what we do they aren't going to change what they plan. i for one look forward to this as the market should in theroy get better, at the same time some of my normal hunter grounds i may have to fight for. in the end their are MANY places i can still hunt at lvl 80 might not be the xp or drops i'm use to but i'm still going to keep playing since i do love this game and it is my escape from the problems in rl we all face
again take it as you will just my 2 cents take it or leave it
I cant necessarily agree with your sentiments. Saying that the people crying about hunting spots are people who have failed at succeeding in the game isnt completely true. Everyone makes the games they play into the game they want, for instance it took me 4 1/2 years to get an S grade character the way i leveled but i succeeded the way i wanted. Though server status and population stats say that i didnt succeed at the game myself i feel i did. While I understand that the enjoyment of the many matters; at some point do you not need to consider those small people?
Having 1 massively merged NA server will be beneficial for server pvp/castle sieges which at one point was NC Softs Bread and butter. But if you look at the trend in NA I believe there is equal reason to believe that non PVP types can and do enjoy lineage 2. With the updates coming (high Five) it will increase the leveling ability of people as well as the Lux shop selling A grade further helps to allow newbies to get to a grade armor without a huge expense. I do see the benifit however of adding 1 Non PVP based type server which is for RP or relaxed players who enjoy just playing the game at their own pace and having PVP every 2 weeks. I know the game wasnt designed around the carebear mentality of just gaming but if people want to make it that way they shouldnt be harassed or condemned for doing so.
I enjoy the game plenty, so please dont take me as a carebear qqing. Im sure i will continue enjoying this game even when it is massively merged together and top level hunting spots are taken and fought over. I for one enjoy the lower level areas and am happy to level lower level toons until the upper spots either empty out from people leaving the game or move on after newer expansions.
The way you express your opinion is right. But when you see a post buy a guy saying: oh NCSoft must not merge servers because higher level people will pk me or because i will have to fight for the exp spot i can find empty now just because server population is low, is against the the majority's opinion that actually asked in those forums to merge the servers. In my opinion, it should be 2 NA as 5 servers into one sounds too much, but we cant tell from now what will happen imho. Dont judge too early. But the way you think and you express your opinion, separates you from the QQers that loose their right by stretching facts and overreacting.
Could you make the character name change feature free for this period? I have characters on survers sharing the same names and would like to keep them (with names changed of course) :(
It will probably end up like the last merges, where you will see the high population for a month or three, but once things are settled down and a power struggle begins to subside you will see a massive decline in population again. I hope it stays fun for everyone, but that is how the experience seems to work.
You would have thought that the GM's would have had more presence after the last mergers, but there were even more bots. I have no hopes of it being any different this time around. Should at least prove entertaining to watch the smack talk and bickering for a little while anyway.
there are some good points of 1 big merge but also many many bad..
- whats with clan halls - will u increase amount of them?
there will be like 30++ big clans and not many ch available for all:P
i hope also u are prepered with 1 new super strong server and super connection to handle again few k ppl on server.
also i hope u are prepered for mass cry pms about bad connections lags on sieges with 1k ppl
I really expect lots of GM's patrolling the 2 servers and that NCSoft will strike with an iron boot on everyone that bots or use radar/controll...sure it will get 30-50% of the population banned, but it will make the game so much better.
If bots and cheaters will still be a problem after the merge, I'm gone...
The only downside I see if figuring what toons I want to delete so that toons I have been working on on Phoenix will get the chance to be with me when we do the merge.
I really think this will be for the best. There might be a cluster fluff like Gyrlie says and some lagging, however I think the PVP will be great. It's been sorely missed. I am in a clan on sayha that doesn't pvp and I miss it. My toon on Phoenix learned last weekend that she has A LONG way to go to being anywhere near ready for pvp. I remember when Nova was on Sayha and they would kick our butts at Schuttgart (when EOF had it). It was still fun and it made the sieges fun. Nothing is more boring than gaining fame while sitting. The fun is when we are smacking each other around. This is a pvp game. Capture the flag and kill whomever gets in the way.
This game was created for a big ammount of population, in Teon at the momment you see **** clans owning a Castle, monopolizing weapons and selling them for 2kkk in aden,
If any simple players tries to find a forgotten scroll, a good weapon or something to improve himself he has to either farm his *** off to get the money or try to get a spot in a very big clan to obtain them.
In my oppinion a merge will solve this issues since there will not only be competitiveness in pvp but also in the market,
Moreover people will be able to find any material or weapon they need due to the high ammount of players in the game.
Lag shouldnt be an issue since they are going to use the entire ammount of new hardware they recently purchansed, xp spots could turn out as a problem but thats the point of the game, to fight for your spot, pvp, kill bots and be ableto play the game with a little challenge, whats the point of seing a bot farming a specific spot 24/7??
Last but not least there will be no big queues for olympiad, there will be more clans for people to join to fight for the few clan halls and the game should rock! :)
Let the server merge happen as it is planned
But open a thread with a poll right after
One with just 2 selections:
Selection 1 : i'm happy wiht just one server it's great
and
Selection 2: It ruinned my game play open a second server
The plan would be this :
If enough people actually demand a second NA server,
to actually open a "runaway" server with NON-PVP status
The people that will want to run away from the overcroweded server
usually will be the non-pvp'ers and the role players or simply
the people that enjoy XP over pvp.
This way, this will be NC soft 's chance to balance it up to korean
standards, who have a pvp and a non-pvp server.
I believe I now understand why most of the bosses and xp places that are new are now instanced. Was this all part of a long-term grand plan?
Those instances are not quite living up to their expectations
they are not half what they used to be whne they were open
zones, not to talk of the totally gimped drop rates.
If they walk that road, everything will get instanced soon inclusive cata's
and normal grounds, a bit overkill once more
The fun to lineage 2 was the total freedom, gets slowly taken away
Those instances are not quite living up to their expectations
they are not half what they used to be whne they were open
zones, not to talk of the totally gimped drop rates.
If they walk that road, everything will get instanced soon inclusive cata's
and normal grounds, a bit overkill once more
The fun to lineage 2 was the total freedom, gets slowly taken away
Im no huge fan of fighting for my leveling spots but even i agree with this they gotta stop instancing everything its not fun with instances.
i still saw bots on the server after all the bans? i hope after merge this is not the case. this bot had gibberish name and was a dwarf with the standard bot equipment c grade 2h blunt and plated set
Merging all servers into 2 is going to make it way too overcrowded. It's an extreme decision and the only reason I can think of doing this is a desperate need to save on costs. It might cost more than it saves though. The population on the overcrowded servers will probably shrink to half in a few months time.
What will happen after these merges? I mean, there are no merges possible after that. Only if they merge NA+EU server into one xD But whats after? Closing l2? making l2 free to play? I hope not..
It's hilarious ... 3 years ago Teon and Franz each had 4-5000 active connections, no lag problems whatsoever. Now Teon + Franz + Luna added up hardly ever go above 3000 and people act like mergers will be the end of the world, no spots to play, lag blah blah. Grow up. Same applies to NA servers. Bartz had more connections 3 years ago than all NA servers today added up.
Merging all servers into 2 is going to make it way too overcrowded. It's an extreme decision and the only reason I can think of doing this is a desperate need to save on costs. It might cost more than it saves though. The population on the overcrowded servers will probably shrink to half in a few months time.
Yes the cost of maintaining servers runs into millions
Like manny people already say for a long logn time
we're in end game (even tho i think we're just in the middle)
But overall, look at lineage 1, its still there with a crowd
of hardcore gamers , same will go for L2, the true addictees
will remain, the softies (even from big clans) will vanish
6 weeks , and u'll see the result, if they do a proper job
on doing a check on the people with the high levels in really
too short time to humanly possible to make them ,and
on toons that never disconnect and are not in towns but
hunting 24/7... big hints hints hint on how to detect bots
there... hum hum hum...
Then u can be assured that the servers wont be overcrowded
and that u'll have a decent balanced population of real players
that will work on it every single day to make it great.
Otherwise, its just gonna be a disaster and make thos players
leave or give up.
Can't keep fighting the bad guys 24/7
Just like Bob marley said, its a 24/7 fight because the ennemy
never sleeps, he don't know how right he was even for this game.
Having no clan hall is not a bother for me. More people = more parties. Fighting for spot? Hell, yes. One of the best memories of me are connected to pvp over spot. :) More people = healthier market. :)
Won't stop playing L2 even if I'm still an A grade.
The number of total character slots per server will remain at 7 per account.
Really? REALLY? I'm sorry, but if you monkeys pick the wost solution out of the choices (server merges) and then manage to pick the worst course of action (5-into-1), could you at least and try not to f*** us over completely by adding 1 or 2 extra character slots? You've practically killed this game now so you've got nothing to lose by letting us have some extra toons.
I could probably run this company better than your idiotic management department.
This game was created for a big ammount of population, in Teon at the momment you see **** clans owning a Castle, monopolizing weapons and selling them for 2kkk in aden,
If any simple players tries to find a forgotten scroll, a good weapon or something to improve himself he has to either farm his *** off to get the money or try to get a spot in a very big clan to obtain them.
In my oppinion a merge will solve this issues since there will not only be competitiveness in pvp but also in the market,
Moreover people will be able to find any material or weapon they need due to the high ammount of players in the game.
Lag shouldnt be an issue since they are going to use the entire ammount of new hardware they recently purchansed, xp spots could turn out as a problem but thats the point of the game, to fight for your spot, pvp, kill bots and be ableto play the game with a little challenge, whats the point of seing a bot farming a specific spot 24/7??
Last but not least there will be no big queues for olympiad, there will be more clans for people to join to fight for the few clan halls and the game should rock! :)
If game were meant for big populations, why all the towns with no clan halls? (just to mention one thing).... even if ppl have been screaming for clan halls in towns like heine and oren for ages, without being taken seriously..... atm theres only clan halls enough for quarter of a server, if even that..... tbh, now u would need to even include clan halls in starter towns to even get CLOSE to have enough to settle the demand.
And Forts arent gonna fix the lack of clan halls either.
Maybe its meant for a decent number of ppl, but not FIVE server populations merged into ONE, its a deathblow to the game.
If game were meant for big populations, why all the towns with no clan halls? (just to mention one thing).... even if ppl have been screaming for clan halls in towns like heine and oren for ages, without being taken seriously..... atm theres only clan halls enough for quarter of a server, if even that..... tbh, now u would need to even include clan halls in starter towns to even get CLOSE to have enough to settle the demand.
And Forts arent gonna fix the lack of clan halls either.
Maybe its meant for a decent number of ppl, but not FIVE server populations merged into ONE, its a deathblow to the game.
If game were meant for big populations, why all the towns with no clan halls? (just to mention one thing).... even if ppl have been screaming for clan halls in towns like heine and oren for ages, without being taken seriously..... atm theres only clan halls enough for quarter of a server, if even that..... tbh, now u would need to even include clan halls in starter towns to even get CLOSE to have enough to settle the demand.
And Forts arent gonna fix the lack of clan halls either.
Maybe its meant for a decent number of ppl, but not FIVE server populations merged into ONE, its a deathblow to the game.
Something like this woulda been more logic:
Server #1: Sayha, Aira, Bartz.
Server #2: Phoenix, Devianne.
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
Would you please fix the manor system before merging the servers?
Even now it works 100% only for bots! After the merge, it would work only for the fastest bots and legit players would never get any chance to use the manor!
Just because it always makes more fruits than what the castles are allowed to buy!
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
Agreed. If clan struggles to gather at least 2 parties they should be fine with forts.
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader.So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
Just cus you think a clan dosnt deserve to exist if its got only a moderate number of ppl, dosnt make it right. Generalizing every small clan as being undeserving, and stating that big clans are the only ones that got the right to have a shot at anything, is simply wrong.
And the fact that some clan halls get owned by a 1 man alt clan ect., just cus they bid 2b first, i agree that THEY shouldnt have clan halls, but that dosnt mean its the players fault, its entirely the mechanics of the system thats faulty.
Just cus you think a clan dosnt deserve to exist if its got only a moderate number of ppl, dosnt make it right. Generalizing every small clan as being undeserving, and stating that big clans are the only ones that got the right to have a shot at anything, is simply wrong.
And the fact that some clan halls get owned by a 1 man alt clan ect., just cus they bid 2b first, i agree that THEY shouldnt have clan halls, but that dosnt mean its the players fault, its entirely the mechanics of the system thats faulty.
You have reading comprehension issues?
Has nothing to do with what I think, it has everything to do with what the game moved towards. 4 years ago max clan size was 40 people and huge alliances were permitted. Then alliances became 4 clans max and clan sizes ballooned to 200 members. If you see that and don't understand THE GAME moved towards fewer/larger clans then ... can't help you.
Beyond that, yes if you are in one of those 10 people clans no you don't deserve a clan hall, if there are 34 140+ people clans. They deserve it not you.
Has nothing to do with what I think, it has everything to do with what the game moved towards. 4 years ago max clan size was 40 people and huge alliances were permitted. Then alliances became 4 clans max and clan sizes ballooned to 200 members. If you see that and don't understand THE GAME moved towards fewer/larger clans then ... can't help you.
Beyond that, yes if you are in one of those 10 people clans no you don't deserve a clan hall, if there are 34 140+ people clans. They deserve it not you.
Just because the game ALLOWS a certain number of ppl in a clan, DOSNT mean its HAS to be like that for EVERYONE.
And what im getting at, is that SOME big clans have 1 man alt clans, that buy up "reserve" clan halls, just to be sure to have them for the future ect., not cus they actually NEED them.
What your saying can be compared to something like: "Game dosnt give a .... about dwarfs for 6 years, and the game has moved more towards dd classes, so everyone HAS to play some other class, cus obviously ppl arent supposed to have dwarf as their main anymore".
Has nothing to do with what I think, it has everything to do with what the game moved towards. 4 years ago max clan size was 40 people and huge alliances were permitted. Then alliances became 4 clans max and clan sizes ballooned to 200 members. If you see that and don't understand THE GAME moved towards fewer/larger clans then ... can't help you.
Beyond that, yes if you are in one of those 10 people clans no you don't deserve a clan hall, if there are 34 140+ people clans. They deserve it not you.
you are right to a point i think. yes the game now is ment to have bigger clans. but and i say this with all respect to everyone. i've seen on my own servers soooo many big clans fall and who has their clan? 1 guy that does nothing with it... and another point to be made is ok bigger clans good yes blah blah but where did these bigger clans come from? some guy started it with the hopes of it becoming big but it all started with one person not 140+.... just cuz a clan is small doesn't mean they shouldn't get their shot at becoming big. and i'll be honest some of these big clans on all servers i don't see lasting very long after server merge.... and they will already have bid/ gotten a ch ok now what? they sell it or sit on it like many do for ever so no one else can have it?
we all know the big clans are good and the game is ment to have them but think about how they got that big and how they started, and understand they are not going to last forever so someone needs to take their spot
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
Sorry, but there are a few neutral, pure PvE and legit clans that has over 140 members and are clan level 9+...I bet that over half of them will lose the CH or won't even have a chance to get a CH because of the "uber" PvP clans that has 2-3 inactive alt clans that buys a CH just in case their clan leader gets banned.
NCSoft needs to patroll the bidding and remove any small inactive clans from the bidding list. Going through the log files from the current servers to check each clan to see if it's just an alt clan with 1-4 active members shouldn't be a problem.
And don't tell me that those ***** alt clans deserver a CH more than a fully active neutral PvE clan with over 100 members.
Sorry, but there are a few neutral, pure PvE and legit clans that has over 140 members and are clan level 9+...I bet that over half of them will lose the CH or won't even have a chance to get a CH because of the "uber" PvP clans that has 2-3 inactive alt clans that buys a CH just in case their clan leader gets banned.
NCSoft needs to patroll the bidding and remove any small inactive clans from the bidding list. Going through the log files from the current servers to check each clan to see if it's just an alt clan with 1-4 active members shouldn't be a problem.
And don't tell me that those ***** alt clans deserver a CH more than a fully active neutral PvE clan with over 100 members.
if u merge all the servers togheter now
34 clan halls wont cut it for the BIG MASSIVE clans
Go ahead go take a look on every server, ther are more then 3 massive
alliance per server , ther are at least 5 or 6, more or less strong
and all level 10 clans +
The PVP will surely go up, but at what cost ?
Do u even know that some clans actually PAY clan leaders with REAL
monney to MAKE them leave or to destroy their clans ... just to be number
one on the server, i hope u all have enough faith in u'r clan leaders , and
hope they can beat the call of REAL monney above the well being of their
clan and the game.
if u merge all the servers togheter now
34 clan halls wont cut it for the BIG MASSIVE clans
Go ahead go take a look on every server, ther are more then 3 massive
alliance per server , ther are at least 5 or 6, more or less strong
and all level 10 clans +
The PVP will surely go up, but at what cost ?
Do u even know that some clans actually PAY clan leaders with REAL
monney to MAKE them leave or to destroy their clans ... just to be number
one on the server, i hope u all have enough faith in u'r clan leaders , and
hope they can beat the call of REAL monney above the well being of their
clan and the game.
I think you are taking it too far :P and kinda overeacting :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hy all,
I didn't read all the posts on this topic, but I have a question : what happens to 1 account with 7 characters on each EU server(frantz, teon, luna) ?
Hy all,
I didn't read all the posts on this topic, but I have a question : what happens to 1 account with 7 characters on each EU server(frantz, teon, luna) ?
Only the highest acitve chars remain, the rest will be deleted
so better pick urself the ones u want to keep and the ones u
wanna see deleted
Hy all,
I didn't read all the posts on this topic, but I have a question : what happens to 1 account with 7 characters on each EU server(frantz, teon, luna) ?
Seems you have not even read the very first post in this thread :rolleyes:
The number of total character slots per server will remain at 7 per account. If a single account has more than 7 characters across the servers being merged, the 7 characters with the highest amount of experience will be kept, while the remaining will be deleted. If you feel this scenario may affect you, please consider moving items from lower level characters to higher level characters to prevent the loss of any desired items or consider deleting characters that you choose not to keep.
1 thing for sure with only a single server per territory their seriously Epic Fail handling of bots as got to be over. After the merge i don't expect i demand a heavy handed and quick ban-hammer.
If they can't handle policing 2 servers...
But then again they did promise us an updated website 4 years ago, so one does not expect much out of NC Soft, but more of the same.
On the clan hall topic i think they could add a rule like "Your clan must have xxx players and at least xxx must be over third class." Just to point out this is no clan made of tons of alts or a single dorf and GMs should policy closely who is applying to the clan halls and deny some aplications if they see it's a fake clan biding to harm other players.
Basically 'm saying to clan halls work fine Nc must do their job correctly
On the clan hall topic i think they could add a rule like "Your clan must have xxx players and at least xxx must be over third class." Just to point out this is no clan made of tons of alts or a single dorf and GMs should policy closely who is applying to the clan halls and deny some aplications if they see it's a fake clan biding to harm other players.
Basically 'm saying to clan halls work fine Nc must do their job correctly
LOL, first come, first serve IMO. Its a free market. NC should not involve themselves in this.....but thanks for your imput....
well when l2 finally does shut down... it means i get a 70.00/month raise lolololol
haha, gotta agree with this
Server merges will be fun but I think this is might be overkill. However I've been looking for a good excuse to quit for about 2 years and if the ugly new armor set textures don't do it, this just might =P
And at the level of concentration that these mergers are being done, it's more of an extermination/liquidation type tactic. This action is not being done for the good of the actual game community, but more as a "Wipe the slate clean" mentality.
I spent a few hours this evening slaying bots and botting players as well as reporting them. After a certain point, I received the following response. I was not aware of the merges at the time. This is not a shop, so tell me what you think of it.
On the clan hall topic i think they could add a rule like "Your clan must have xxx players and at least xxx must be over third class." Just to point out this is no clan made of tons of alts or a single dorf and GMs should policy closely who is applying to the clan halls and deny some aplications if they see it's a fake clan biding to harm other players.
Basically 'm saying to clan halls work fine Nc must do their job correctly
I can only applaud that, that this time it need to be a monitored auction
so real clans with LIVE players get a fair chance.
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people.
Logic is flawed - that entails there are NO alts in the clan. I know many clans that have 2-3 alts per person in clan, plus people who have quit or who are away from game for a while but their toons are still in clan.
OMG are you guys nuts??? Merging 2 servers into 1 - I can understand. But 5 into 1 for NA? Can you imagine the lag? Can you imagine the top hunting grounds and how crowded they will be? Unless you are top, elite, very well-geared player how will you survive? Meaning I predict it is likely this decision will cost you players who quit due to high discouragement.
3 clan alliance is fine if NCsoft would get smart and make hero debuffs and regular aoe's/debuffs not work ON YOUR ALLY MEMBERS!!!
why this isnt implemented is beyond me... whats the point of an ally? ally chat? woohoo
It has nothing to do with implementation. This was the way it used to work and NC Soft changed it 1 and a half years ago because 2 strong allies could rule a single server. They decided to break the allies into smaller (clan) groups. It was a good idea but unfortunately didn't work well.
All those people QQing about the crowded hunting areas - Wake up people! This is the way the game was designed to be. When I first came to play L2 on Teon you had to kill 5-10 bots if you wanted to do your level 20 quest and then you had to pvp people all the time if you wanted to take a decent hunting area for exp. That was the thing making this game very intense and alive.
The first real spoiler NC soft implemented was the idea of putting lifestones on weapons and protect them from dropping when you are a PK. And ofcourse the other carebear idea of protecting all your inventory when you die from mobs in white state. Back in C2 you could drop anything at anytime no matter if you are white, brown, blue, red or pink :)
Yah but it's hard to be 82 and 100% legit pvp'ing against people who run pvp programs and are 85 (not legit) with top gear. I don't mind pvp to hunt but 4 times as much as I have now? Not looking good for me!
Hi
Sorry, maybe the question was already answered, but I wonder if the merge will allow the transition from NA to EU and vice versa and if so whether it will cover the entire account?
Thank you
:eek:
And at the level of concentration that these mergers are being done, it's more of an extermination/liquidation type tactic. This action is not being done for the good of the actual game community, but more as a "Wipe the slate clean" mentality.
I spent a few hours this evening slaying bots and botting players as well as reporting them. After a certain point, I received the following response. I was not aware of the merges at the time. This is not a shop, so tell me what you think of it.
It's not about reporting bots, it's what happens when the game receive a corrupted packet (after any event ingame). I got the same one time, but it's fun since you have access to the skill viewer :D
I think its great that they made this big merge the game its going to look like back on C4 when i first start playing lots of ppl playing everywhere, pvp all the time, massive siege pvp ot going to be great
Heh 1 and 1 servers per region.... I really hope they do intend to make it f2p this year otherwise it's a dead game in about a year or even faster.
Actually I think thats the main reason to merge into one server they will definitely make the game F2P that will be great for the game population and for NCsoft, take a look at all the private servers they have more players than the retail servers, if NCsoft can lure those players to the retail server thats going to be great for their business with the addition of the micro transactions where you get things to show on the game they will make lots of cash and you should not worry about bots if its a free server, as it is right now bots give money to NCsoft, if the server is F2P bots will be taking money out of NCsoft thus they will be erradicated, just take a look to the rusian L2 offcial servers they have like 12 servers right now and they have a really nice bot detection tool in there so there are no bots on russian servers. So if they make NA/EU servers like the russian servers that will be the best thing NCsoft can do for this game
Welcome to no place to level, ruined markets, years of playing thrown away... and no decision in the matter.
Should have let people transfer for free if they wanted to, and let others stay. Sad :(
Why ruin markets as I see it there will be more ppl selling stuff so prices will be lower, as it is right now you will find a maximum of 200 stores on giran on any server, with super inflated prices on some items, maybe the 1st month the market will be chaotic since ppl have to get used to the new rules, but then there will be better prices and more stuff to buy, I remember back on C4 to check all the stores on giran it took me like 3 hours to do that now I only need 20 mins and most of the times I don't find what I need
I am really waiting for this server merge its going to be really fun to have so many ppl playing the game and also if they make it F2P it will be even better
No because the game isn't made for those half a party clans that insist they deserve clan hall.
Game moved towards few huge clans 2 years ago, the fact a bunch of crybabies in NA don't get it and insist on sticking with their little clans ISN'T a game fault, it's a player fault.
Game currently has :
6 Aden CH
3 Dion CH
5 Giran CH
5 Gludin CH
4 Goddard CH
7 Rune CH
4 Schuttgart CH
ie -> 34 Clan Halls
Average clan (meaning under lvl 10) should have about 140 members. 34*140= 4760 people. So IF people played the game the way it's meant to be played there are enough clan halls for a full server. That's before adding contestable chs and fortresses.
Lol, if the people played the game the way it's meant to be played, there would be no need in server merges in the first place.
The problem isn't the game or the number of CHs, it's people's obsession with their tiny clans and their I m a clan leader trip. Every newbie wants to be a clan leader. So they they make a half a party clan, decide they are "legit" and therefore "deserve" a clan hall, and come here and whine about it. Sorry. Your fault, not the game's
Do you realise that most of clan halls after server merges will be bought by lvl 3 clans?
a lot of time we were crying about server merge but 1 NA and 1 EU i dont think is good idea
1)ch issue
2)5 servers in one no spots for xp
3)lag??? what will be happen when 3k pplayers log for tw/castle siege???
4)they must increase the numbers of players that can join a clan and bigger allys (4-5 clans)
so for me was better to merge 2 NA 2 EU but NcSoft has their plans maybe they are preparing for L3 so they dont care if ppl quit l2
First off I am not siding with botters but, I think the level of population will prevent a lot of the old botters to reconsider doing it especially afk.
Hi population is not conducive to botting. I expect that hunting area will be full of live players. Most people that bot and dont get caught go to areas where there are no people playing so they dont get reported.
With the large influx of people that will be really hard. I could be wrong but, I suspect that the cata's will be where u find the most botters considering catas are dead at this level of the game.
With low population like they are pre server merges it was conducive to botting.
I do wish they would make 2 servers instead of one but, Having one server will be very interesting.
a lot of time we were crying about server merge but 1 NA and 1 EU i dont think is good idea
1)ch issue
2)5 servers in one no spots for xp
3)lag??? what will be happen when 3k pplayers log for tw/castle siege???
4)they must increase the numbers of players that can join a clan and bigger allys (4-5 clans)
so for me was better to merge 2 NA 2 EU but NcSoft has their plans maybe they are preparing for L3 so they dont care if ppl quit l2
They may make L3 or even L4 , good luck on that...
Simply is no game that can compeet with this one
They all come back after playing other games on a
break for a couple months
then L2 draws u right back
Lol, if the people played the game the way it's meant to be played, there would be no need in server merges in the first place.
Do you realise that most of clan halls after server merges will be bought by lvl 3 clans?
You spew this **** out of your mouth and yet you use boxpets and have no problem with fact that others use them as well?, CONTRIBUTING to the overall decline to the game's playerbase!
You're **** right, no merge would be needed if the players, such as YOURSELF would play the game as intended!
You spew this **** out of your mouth and yet you use boxpets and have no problem with fact that others use them as well?, CONTRIBUTING to the overall decline to the game's playerbase!
You're **** right, no merge would be needed if the players, such as YOURSELF would play the game as intended!
ok whats wrong with having boxers? 1 they are not botting. 2 they are do it cuz even in big clans its still hard to find just what you need as far as buffers or healers cuz lets face it not many people enjoy playing those classes. hell even back in the hay day of L2 c3 c4 when there were lots of people on the servers i still since MANY have their own se or wc or bd and the list goes on here, but fact is they have them so that when their friends aren't on they can still xp and ya i'm one of these people i have box 80 se and 80 pp that tag alone with me and even when my friends are on they still come and this is with 80 wc and 78 bish and what not cuz ya its nice to have them their just in case. if ncsoft did not mean for this to happen they would only let you have 1 account and thats that but face is you can have as many as you want leads to no matter how big server is people will make new ones and their old ones to help them xp faster cuz their clannies and friends are not always on when they are
I read as all Lineage 2 players NCSoft's decision to merge all European servers. That's OK so far.
But dear NCSOft people, you give me the impression that you do not know what is going on in the game just because you do not play it (most probably you play WoW).
Let me explain you the reason why I had to write all this.
I have been playing L2 for almost 4 years now with 5 active accounts which means that I pay 65€ per month in NCSoft.
I have spent endless hours on this game and I have seen things that you probably haven't or haven't cared to see.
I have seen castles being defended by 5 people, and if someone dares to take a castle is obliged to give all manor income to its protectors otherwise that clan is doomed.
I have seen all kind of programs that big clans use and you are just looking the other way
... and now you come and declare that the servers are going to be merged? LOL
You are saying that I have a lvl9 clan and an Aden clanhall and just like that I am going to loose it? And that I have to bid just to take back what was mine in the first place?
LOL You must be joking! The same people you are protecting, will log their bots, bid first, take control of all the clanhalls and then they will start selling them to us in euro back
And I am wondering if I should continue playing and spending my money in a game that does not protect legit players, or a game where updates come a year later than in Korea. And here they come, out of the blue, and they tell me in my face that I am stupid that I was playing the game all this time (I am pretty sure now that they do not play L2 themselves).
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS NOT MY FAULT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE QUIT L2. IT IS YOUR DOING TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BUY ALL THE CLANHALLS AND RUN THE SERVERS AS THEY DO UNTIL NOW I HOPE NOT WITH YOUR PERMISSION.:mad:
u guys can stop posting here.
u rly belive ncsoft will change mind and do 2 euros servers and 2 NA.
most of decision is made for them, not for players..
Just because the game ALLOWS a certain number of ppl in a clan, DOSNT mean its HAS to be like that for EVERYONE.
And what im getting at, is that SOME big clans have 1 man alt clans, that buy up "reserve" clan halls, just to be sure to have them for the future ect., not cus they actually NEED them.
What your saying can be compared to something like: "Game dosnt give a .... about dwarfs for 6 years, and the game has moved more towards dd classes, so everyone HAS to play some other class, cus obviously ppl arent supposed to have dwarf as their main anymore".
Ur like talking to brick wall. IF u want to kill ne1 u dont play a dwarf, if u want to craft stuff u do. If u want a clan hall, u join a big clan, if u want a base for a small clan, u siege a fort. simple
you are right to a point i think. yes the game now is ment to have bigger clans. but and i say this with all respect to everyone. i've seen on my own servers soooo many big clans fall and who has their clan? 1 guy that does nothing with it... and another point to be made is ok bigger clans good yes blah blah but where did these bigger clans come from? some guy started it with the hopes of it becoming big but it all started with one person not 140+.... just cuz a clan is small doesn't mean they shouldn't get their shot at becoming big. and i'll be honest some of these big clans on all servers i don't see lasting very long after server merge.... and they will already have bid/ gotten a ch ok now what? they sell it or sit on it like many do for ever so no one else can have it?
we all know the big clans are good and the game is ment to have them but think about how they got that big and how they started, and understand they are not going to last forever so someone needs to take their spot
except this isnt c2, with hundreds of new people joining game everyday
Sorry, but there are a few neutral, pure PvE and legit clans that has over 140 members and are clan level 9+...I bet that over half of them will lose the CH or won't even have a chance to get a CH because of the "uber" PvP clans that has 2-3 inactive alt clans that buys a CH just in case their clan leader gets banned.
NCSoft needs to patroll the bidding and remove any small inactive clans from the bidding list. Going through the log files from the current servers to check each clan to see if it's just an alt clan with 1-4 active members shouldn't be a problem.
And don't tell me that those ***** alt clans deserver a CH more than a fully active neutral PvE clan with over 100 members.
ofc alt clans dont, and i gurantee no alt clan will get a ch in aden, giran, goddard, rune when merges come. simply because they cant outbid 5 servers top clans.
the chances are small but if the merges realy works, and more ppl comes back , maybe ncsoft could try make a new server xD non trasnfarable for 2 years at least started from 0 maybe more ppl comes back slowly ... but tbh we have ppl atm for 2 NA servers..
btw dont forget that if NA ncsoft put HF till end of this yhear ( not likely ) we have more xp spots so ppl cant complain at all ^^
At most they should have done is 4 Servers to 1 with one being left alone, deny all transfers for 1 month then after that month allow transfers of people. That way the people on the little one who want to fight can move and those who want off the 4 servers to 1 can move to the single one.
It allows for one massive Server and 1 server that is more relaxed.
Id gladly pay NC Soft to transfer over 3-4 Toons onto the relaxed type server. As too which i would leave alone it wouldnt really matter too much.
2 billion is a max bid for a clan dont mean anything if ur a top clan or not two billion is not a lot, I will have 2 billion when i get the money for my clan hall back/
ISSUE is i have to lose a day of work to just play a game and get back what I already have and thats only if programs do not autobid on a clan hall before i get a chance too.
I agree that 1 server may not be powerful enough for 4-5000 players at once. Sace
and Moxie, what kind of hardware will we be using, the same machine we are on now ?
Hopefully not a "virtual" machine off in some cloud in Dallas. It should be a solid
physical system. Maybe this concept should be tested first. Have a trial run with one
server, allowing for a fallback to two servers if it's unacceptable for NA players.
The servers were orginally designed with 4000-6000 people on them at any time BACK, way back when the servers were older.. before the C4 upgrades to 64bit systems and such..
Throughout the c4-c5 period... it wasn't uncommon to see a few of the servers touching the 5000 range almost all day with peaks touching 6000...
Considering the additional upgrades made ontop of reduction is network congestion related to running multiple servers... i would expect the overall load and responsiveness of having everyone on 2 servers should actually improvement things considerably and be far more manageable..
So all this bickering about "OMG the lag is going to be rediculious" or that "there will be to many people" is likely to be moot.
Generally the NUMBER 1 cause for lag issues is the connection BETWEEN your ISP and NCsofts ISP..... Frankly i'm a little upset about the move back down to texas ... considering the routing from just about every country to there is absalutely TERRIBLE, some of the worst internet connections are due to such terrible routes.... it was superior in seattle due to the northern routes being rather low traffic, made it much easier for people from around the world USUALLY to connect and remain lag free.
But nothings perfect..
Anywho.. the only thing to worry about right now is clan hall issues and xp spots which imo may not be that bad.... personally i put the influx of combined bot population as my only major concern..... but considering only one server.... i think and HOPE GMs will be able to realy take out the trash
You spew this **** out of your mouth and yet you use boxpets and have no problem with fact that others use them as well?, CONTRIBUTING to the overall decline to the game's playerbase!
You're **** right, no merge would be needed if the players, such as YOURSELF would play the game as intended!
Piro, you are failing at the game not because someone is boxing, but because you suck at playing your class.
(Just came from top MoS 9-man live archer-spoiler party, where I played the recharger :p)
2 billion is a max bid for a clan dont mean anything if ur a top clan or not two billion is not a lot, I will have 2 billion when i get the money for my clan hall back/
ISSUE is i have to lose a day of work to just play a game and get back what I already have and thats only if programs do not autobid on a clan hall before i get a chance too.
go to work man when chinenses start the bid we lose gf :(
diladi tin gamisame apla kai oraia gamo kinezoi pou na pesi to siniko teixos kolozooa sto kefali sas
go to work man when chinenses start the bid we lose gf :(
diladi tin gamisame apla kai oraia gamo kinezoi pou na pesi to siniko teixos kolozooa sto kefali sas
lol chinese farmers.... thats so old school .... Most adena farmers are US/euro people.....
To all the people complaining about the merge, go ahead and quit now then. if you don't want to compete or play in a game about competition, then you shouldn't have played in the first place. whether 10-20 or 100 of you quit it wont make a difference to me i will enjoy the new population and the opportunity to actually experience more of what l2 has to offer.
Clan halls - castles - names, they all are up for grabs and for fighting over.
To all the people complaining about the merge, go ahead and quit now then. if you don't want to compete or play in a game about competition, then you shouldn't have played in the first place. whether 10-20 or 100 of you quit it wont make a difference to me i will enjoy the new population and the opportunity to actually experience more of what l2 has to offer.
Clan halls - castles - names, they all are up for grabs and for fighting over.
Sorry, but when you see how well the Russian Official server is dealing with botters and 3rd party program users compared to what NCSoft NA, you may as well throw your money in the fire than giving it to NCBot NA.
I think they use the EULA as toilet paper or something.
To all the people complaining about the merge, go ahead and quit now then. if you don't want to compete or play in a game about competition, then you shouldn't have played in the first place. whether 10-20 or 100 of you quit it wont make a difference to me i will enjoy the new population and the opportunity to actually experience more of what l2 has to offer.
Clan halls - castles - names, they all are up for grabs and for fighting over.
This is the same old story. If legits quit who cares, we are the real players, etc.
Well, bots will quit too. May i remind you that there has been a merger before and it ended in disaster ? This will be much-much worse, ppl wont quit in a month or so, they will in a few days. I thought that after AION fail plans to kill L2 were put on hold, but I see I was wrong.
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if they wipe off the face of aden of all bots, the merges would be good... but then again we might end up back to 1000 players again
Wouldnt change a thing, you ban em all off, they come right back. Its not hard to get a toon 1-85, look at how all the top clans make their oly enforcers. Change the game so everyone can get max gear and OE'ed skills like the top clans and there isnt a need to bot, or make it free to play.
I think this is good news in one way. Since we assume that NCsoft have future plans to make Lineage2 "Free 2 Play" and most certain also implement Micro Transaction System by NCcoin, this is strategic move to make that change smooth and easy. Parts of that has shown to be a profitable concept with other NCsoft games.
What seems to be a bit strange is that NCsoft choose to make only one server for NA and one for EU. It might be a bit tight and the political climate to boil up in the beginning. This will most certain to result in a loss of PvE players.
1 as always server (bot, ebay, 3rd party)
and 1 smth like interlude-hellbound (my most <3 chronicles) RP and 3rd party protection ^_^
OMG NCSOFT, PUT 1-2 GM ON 1 SERVER and 1-2 ON ANOTHER and THATS ALL.... ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED (ofc not gms-bots :D)