But as I wrote.
Having active clan with 70 ppl (or even 60 ) not require being billionaire.
Ofc many people can contribute 'only 10 kk or 20 kk' but always in clan you have few addicted people who have 500-700 kk,
Healthy active clan should not have problem get 5 bil.
Problem is that that 5 bil can be not sufficient ...
I hardly can imagine that you don't have (as player who play 5+ years) 50-80 kk. Ofc I understand that if you are forced alone get 5 bil is practically impossible. Point is you as CL should have clan behind you. Clan measured by people not level, skills, CRP or twinks/alts. If you have only 5-10 ppl it is good clan for doing AoE exp or fighting for Fort. But if in your clan there is 40 more people and they don't want to share responsibility for clan ... %&^& them. They don't deserve CH.
Most decent active clans can with enough time.... Coming up with 5 billion in 4 days now is not even in the real of possibility unless you buy adena.
For example when we first bought our rune clan hall he knew in April to start saving the 2 billion. When Sept came we had more then enough money because instead of buying gear we saved MONEY.
No one had a clue it would cost more then the 2 billion we currently had for our clan halls so we did not know to save money and not gear our clans up. This is like a new car you save for months to buy it.
However last year's model cost 25k so you figure you need about the same for the new model. A week before the new model comes out then say it will be 50k and if you do not get it in 5 days you will never be able to get one. Same thing happened with clan halls. NO one expected to need almost 2.5 times what they originally paid for a clan hall to even have a CHANCE at a new one.
Me personally I have made 45 mil in the last 3 days but I know what im doing. If you gave me a month I probably could up with 500 - 600 mil just by myself. And at least i could bid on a cgrade clan hall but who wants a dion clan hall :(
Each member cant even give a 40m only for a CH they want?
I think you dont deserve a CH.
Were a Real Life clan that means we all have jobs, kids, and live in the real world. You cant expect everyone to be in the same situation. Most of all you cant say we dont deserve the CH because we cant afford the ridiculous prices that were thrown down when we have afforded the CH for 3 years. Our CH got used every day, it wasnt a luxury.
Yet, ~20% is still quite a large variable, so simmer down with the /fail flame. Yes, 5bn is a lot of money for a small group of players to come up with; however, it is not so hard for a large clan to gather. Most of these screams are coming from small clans that think they should be afforded a Goddard/Aden/Rune clan hall. I have news for you, if your clan can't raise 5bn adena then it doesn't really belong in the running for any of those top grade clan halls.
People seem to be missing something here: 8 servers merged down to 2. Somebody was going to lose a clan hall, there is just no way around it. If they had let the old process go through then the forums would be full of people QQing that some joke level clan is trying to sell a clan hall for 80 bil worth of in game gear. If you want a clan hall after this then find a large clan and join em or go siege for the others.
Some of us do not want to join botting clans. "power clans" own multiple forts and they will own the castles, but i guess they should own clan halls too so the medium size clans should cease to exist too right?
I'm only wondering, why almost no one showed for contestable CHs
Bandit is even unclaimed (no one shows, it was a free ch for 5 minute of work)
So you guys need these clan halls or not? Or just want them from NCSoft without any effort
And the bid amount and fee is ok, it will eliminate small and weak clans, ask your self ... if you dont have that kind of money to spare, do you really deserve a CH?
Some of us do not want to join botting clans. "power clans" own multiple forts and they will own the castles, but i guess they should own clan halls too so the medium size clans should cease to exist too right?
You know, you're like one of those bible t******* (Really NcSoft.. that's censored? lol) freaks that thinks everyone not in their particular cult must be an "evil doer" :eek:. You should head out to Utah and find Eamonn, then you two can form your own little Church of Purported Purity, and sacrifice little evil Chinese kids on your Altar of Legit ;)
I would really want to ask NCSoft experts, how long it took them to figure out this "fair" clan hall distribution method!!!
I really cannot believe that someone gave less than 2billion adena to buy a clan hall, because as you very well know, the clan halls were not bought with the bid method but by some people who manipulate the game's virtual money and with their turn they sold them to us with multiple profit. Of course you know all this but you do not speak.
So explain to me, why don't you reimburse the correct money to clan hall owners? Why don't you give back to those who used to own an A grade clan hall 5 billion instead of 2? Why don't you use the activity factor to distribute the clan halls?
Why was it announced so suddenly and with such a short notice the distribution system and why haven't you returned the 2 billion to the - post merge - bidders?
Finally, I want to express my question. Why do you need the 5 billion gentlemen? What is the reason to collect that adena? Why? Why do you reimburse only 65% from non-winning bidders? What is this money really for?
Maybe it is that your decision is not fair at all and condemns the clans that do not have the adena you ask? And in such a short notice so that you can rule them out of the game?
To conclude, your decision shows sloppiness, is condemning the game and to be frank it is not fair and just for the legit clans that are trying to survive in the game. :confused:
You know, you're like one of those bible t******* (Really NcSoft.. that's censored? lol) freaks that thinks everyone not in their particular cult must be an "evil doer" :eek:. You should head out to Utah and find Eamonn, then you two can form your own little Church of Purported Purity, and sacrifice little evil Chinese kids on your Altar of Legit ;)
srsly! Sacrifice peeps on an Altar of Legit-ness? Where can I sign up and does it mater if I did but didn't inhale?
Ofc I think your questions will stay without answer the NCwest won't answer to it, and they wont change the form of get clan hall.
Sace, Moxie, HGMspam and GM Shark are the persons from the Lineage II staff who did/do for us many things. Everyone else as the ghosts except these persons we need for a total new Lineage II staff. Or maybe enough a new boss too.
Your clan has already been called out several times on this board for harboring illegit people, and after seeing certain members of clan in not present xping over the last few days I would pull back the IM LEGIT CARD STOP SAYING ALL BIG CLANS ARE NOT LEGIT.
So yes your a "evil doer"
I recently ran into a friend from a large power clan. His leader asked him to talk to me about merging. He replied he won't do it to his leader before even talking to me because he said Sly would rather pk a bot with the same tag as him then be in clan with them. Now not everyone in that power clan is a botter maybe not even most, but they know they got botters and let them bot and do their thing.
Thats fine... But they do not claim like you do to be "legit" and they will probably be one of the most powerful clans on the new server and they will probably get a clan hall.
See where this going Cabel/Moxie. You say part of the process will include those factors but some clans cannot even afford to bid HONEST clans to even get their name in the ring against the bad clans.
Give us a month or make the cutoff date Thanksgiving to come up with the money. No one excepted 4 days to come up with 3 billion adena.
I've been in a clan for 5 years at last merge we managed to get 4 or 5 clan halls with alt clans thru bidding but failed on main clan at that time, now it's more fair going for 1 ch only.
What r the chances for a lvl 11 clan with 200+ members money in cwh former owner of ch castle owner before merges and with a few heroes to get 1 now?
stop QQ in forums and go farm money for ch!! and yes, old system - 1st bid 2bil = win bad. new system = bad.. so what do you want? 1 ch for 3 clans or what?
I've been in a clan for 5 years at last merge we managed to get 4 or 5 clan halls with alt clans thru bidding but failed on main clan at that time, now it's more fair going for 1 ch only.
What r the chances for a lvl 11 clan with 200+ members money in cwh former owner of ch castle owner before merges and with a few heroes to get 1 now?
there are 30 level 11 clans.
So you do the math. That also does not include the level 9 and 10 clans who didn't own castles or have heroes to get to level 11.
My clan would come up with the money given a month.
Sace, Moxie, HGMspam and GM Shark are the persons from the Lineage II staff who did/do for us many things.
ppl you shouldn't really judge someone from forum activity and the big talks but the results of his work.
i cant blame community managers cause they are mainly the spokespersons but.... =spam=? really? REALLY you think he was giving a d**n about the community and the game?
During his time teon had a high pick on bot activity, during his time we were hearing those awesome announcements "I will do this I will do that, I'm on rampage hohoho" and nothing was happening.
No results but still iirc he actually got promoted ^^'
don't be easy victims of PR and bad politics, so many years and no one has proved at least capable to support L2.
I've been in a clan for 5 years at last merge we managed to get 4 or 5 clan halls with alt clans thru bidding but failed on main clan at that time, now it's more fair going for 1 ch only.
What r the chances for a lvl 11 clan with 200+ members money in cwh former owner of ch castle owner before merges and with a few heroes to get 1 now?
and what was the point in having 5 clan halls? Besides greed?
Actually we had lots of merged clans that got them and ppl moved back or into to those clans and used them coz the alt clans leaders camed with money to bid and was their clan hall, no ch remained unused or sold.
I would say getting 5 bil for active clan shouldn't be big problem.
Let say 70+ ppl in clan (people!) should be something normal.
5000 kk /70 == 70 kk each member.
If we add that clan who want get CH anyway has to have some savings (1 bil?) that drop amount to reasonable fee less then 50 kk/clannie.
in a perfect world that shouldnt be a problem .. but .. Did you ever try that? Making 70ppl pay 70m?
there are for sure 1 toon on chronos that has nearly 95billion adena... no this isn't a joke..
That single person presented with knowing enough people, could potentially line up several alt clans to bid on 18-19 of the A grade clans halls... (if there are that many)
that's one... just one..
so really 5bil as an attempt to prevent those whom may feel that 35% is to much to lose makes them laugh as deep pockets can go a long ways in this respect.
And you may ask... what is the point of having countless clan halls owned by basically the same single group? Same reason clans that have enemies tend to hero zerk the bosses and make every attempt to prevent there enemies having ANYTHING at all if they can help it. So if you eliminate clan halls for your enemies, and guarantee themselves one, everything will have been made easy by them.
As we have "heard" just recently taking into consideration of the winners of the screenshot freya contest, without confirmation for certain but many are stating to be true that one person managed to win twice.... with that in mind, it's not at all impossible for a similare senario to repeat in the clan hall situation
frankly the only ONLY problem i have with this totally is the 5bil requirement, and the excisting one... would have been better if the bid was 1mil, least everyone anywhere had an equal chance to get one, making it truly fair. But in all honesty, 5bil just eliminates the extra work due to very few clans having such a considerable amount.
There's at least 3 on Teon.. of those toons... but in this case.. 99b adena.
yeah.. see.. i only for for a fact of ONE that was on sayha previous..
who knows how many others have the max already...
that's why the 5bil to "eliminate" the possibility of alts making it in is a joke..
Considering that previous merges resulted in clans dumping entire epic sets to get their own clan hall... making a deal with the orginal winners to get them...
So really the "deter" statement is completely bogus, it's to make life easier and work simplier. I'm sure with the prospect of sucking more adena and jewels out of the clans that don't end up with clan halls, would wager that losing 1.75bil adena per attempt at clan hall is a drop in the bucket compared to getting entire epic sets per clan hall worth in value of 25bil or better depending...
It's a joke and no less.
NCSoft set the value amount, no clan that manages to get a clan hall would turn around and sell the clan hall they may end up winning for anything LESS then 5bil now anyways period...
No matter what system of distributing the clan halls NC Soft comes up with, including leaving the old system in place, MANY players would QQ all day, as in this thread. Many of the complaints in this thread are completely out of line. Some replies:
"5 bill is too much adena to pay for a hall". NO, it is too little. Why? Because our L2 world, like the real world, works on supply and demand. If the demand is high enough to have more bidders then there are clan halls, then the reality of server economics is in conflict with your beliefs.
To those who say "no way a legit clan can raise that kind of adena", it is 100% ****. If you have 100 members then you are asking for 50 mill per member. If you give me any 8x char I can earn 50 mill+ worth of items in 1 day. There are MANY ways to earn adena in L2 and it can be done. The real problem is clan leaders are trying to earn the adena individually instead of through clan effort. Another issue is small clans are trying for these halls. Your clans are SUPPOSED to be LARGE in numbers. This clan hall process is just one example of how the game encourages small clans to merge into large clans. It's game design, nothing else.
"QQ BOT / EBAY QQ" There are cheaters in L2 and life. There are processes to catch and punish the cheaters. If you believe a player is cheating, you are welcome to provide your evidence to NC Soft and ask for action to be taken. It's all you can do. Trying to change the subject of every thread to a QQ bots ruin the game thread is pointless.
"Why can't leaders from Quebec/Rhode Island/Mexico/etc have a clan hall. NC Soft is being unfair!" Clearly there are LAWS involved with the process, and NC Soft has no control over the laws.
The real concerns I do have are what has NOT been shared.
1. How EXACTLY will NC Soft determine which applicants are worthy enough to receive a clan hall? They said it would be "random" but this process is also hidden from the players. How can you say "ok, these 24 clans receive an A grade hall and oh, by the way, these other 15 clans don't receive a clan hall and sorry you lost 1.7 billion adena too"
There needs to be SOME criteria used here. I would prefer NC Soft to add additional criteria based on the real clan activity, or the # of clan members who had bans over past year, or something then to leave it to "random" chance.
2. Which clan halls will we get? For my clan, I want to have a Rune clan hall. Most will want an Aden clan hall. Others will want a Goddard hall. Once we "win" the auction how is it determined who receives a hall in which town? There should be a process to where the town preference can be selected.
3. Why take adena from those who don't get a hall? I can't see the logic here, and I am hoping Sace or someone can share the logic used. The main concern is how the "random" clan selection process is hidden.
the rules are ok, 5b isnt too much for a a-grade hall and even if u only get back 65%...no risk, no fun.
to all the crybabies:...the merge was announced 2 months ago...so u had enough time to gather adena. 5b? srly, if your clan cant afford that u just suck. so go on crying all u want. every half organized clan can gain that with castles, raids and farming. if u cant u dont deserve a clanhall.
to NC: could u explain what randomly selected means? and i really hope u monitor how all the CL's of the clans gained the money for the hall.
WTS all the gear I worked for in the past years...
- +4 Icarus Duals 210 element ~ 1.5b
- +4 AQ ~ 1.2b
- +3 Frintezza ~ 800kk
- Moirai Robe set clean ~ 400kk
- DB+8 205element ~ 800kk
- +3 Dyn heavy set quite some resists, lvl 2 Bard. - 600kk
- WTS Soul - Priceless
Hmm.. 5.3b adena.. interesting.. shall I bid of an A grade CH? Darn.. I can't.. only lvl 8 clan.
After I get.. or not the CH.. I quit because I have no money left.. or gear to play... with that.. I will cancel the 4 accounts.. by doing that I see some more people from my clan quitting.
once again we see a string of people that do not consider the facts of the matter at hend in terms of covering all possible senarios leading up to the current state of affairs reguarding sever side politics, player base, economy and such in order for a large clan to do what is required... let alone the time required.
It's playing favortism to your own situation and blaming anyone else that could not ever previously meet those same standards due to server related issues.
One server was definitely not equal to the other, when one server had 3x the prices and 1/3 (example) of the population making it nearly impossible to rotate stock and cash flow, compared to another...
I'm sure if presented... with say..
The United States vs Somalia being required to make a bid...... you would think that's completely fair still right? Or are you going to play the "class" card on this?
once again we see a string of people that do not consider the facts of the matter at hend in terms of covering all possible senarios leading up to the current state of affairs reguarding sever side politics, player base, economy and such in order for a large clan to do what is required... let alone the time required.
It's playing favortism to your own situation and blaming anyone else that could not ever previously meet those same standards due to server related issues.
One server was definitely not equal to the other, when one server had 3x the prices and 1/3 (example) of the population making it nearly impossible to rotate stock and cash flow, compared to another...
I'm sure if presented... with say..
The United States vs Somalia being required to make a bid...... you would think that's completely fair still right? Or are you going to play the "class" card on this?
WTS all the gear I worked for in the past years...
you are the only clan member that you wanna raise the money all by yourself? so you are either selfish or stupid ... because a clan that deserves a CH has 200+ members meaning that the 5bil ~ 25mil per member ie. pocket money
I would still suggest that "all" active clans, who owned a clan hall prior to the merge, would get one. From what I've read so far, and from the knowledge gathered through many years of playing, many clan halls have been "released". Released from "dead clans", released from alt clans, released from clans, whos clan leader has been banned This means that there are actually quite a few clan halls available. Considering this, there is actually a good chance that those of us, who had a clan hall prior to the merge will get one again, just by doing a little Autumn cleaning.
I do think that NCSoft has handle this situation all wrong with their failure to communicate how and when these clan halls be distributed, not to mention the false auction just after the merge. By the way, KJ clan is still waiting to get our 2b back.
There's been a lot of talk about whether or not NCsoft actually listens or even cares, and I can only say that of course they do. They will fix this problem and the TW badges will be returned to their owners, since it was their mistake that removed those in the first place. NCsoft has apologized for the miscommunication, thus accepting responsibility of this unfortunate mistake. When you accept responsibility for "any or all" mistakes you have committed, you automatically say that you will correct it.
I really try to remain positive. I know that some people are not doing so well as me, but as you at NCsoft also knows. We love this game. We want it to work.
One other thing. When you are a company selling a product that is broken. The users might still use the product, but perhaps they will decide not to buy other products from this company in the future. Think of it this way. What you decide now will affect the decisions of many thousands of customers, who might think twice about picking another NCsoft program. Not to mention "our" huge potential to affect the desicions of our friends and families.
Sometimes there's just too much drama in Lineage II. Sometimes it's actually all there is.
I am confident that you at NCsoft will make the right desicions, for us and for yourselves.
It looks like the argument has come down too either you have the Adena or you don't. If you don't have it you don't deserve a clan hall and you fail at lineage 2. If you do have it then the hole process is fine and its fair.
What has happened in the life span of this game cannot be ignored now. We all know that there has been way to much cheating in L2 going on for way to long for anyone to not take it into account. All of NA is now on one server now and there is no fair way about handing out the clan halls, unless Adena and clan level is taken out of the equation.
1) The Adena is to easily bot and sold to make any amount a fair requirement.
2) Up to a certain point clan lvl is fair but after that if your not a power clan your out. Everything else can be a fair way to see who deserves a clan hall.
Clans that owned clan halls on other servers at time of server merge.
1) Whether clan leader is banned, if yes whole clan ineligible.
2) banned accounts associated with the clan.
4) Clan history and how long they have survived in L2.
5) Clan activity
For every clan hall there were previous owners from every server. Those clans should have first priority at getting that clan hall back for the same price they were refunded. With the above items taken into account, if the clan falls under number 1 and/or has a history of number 2, they should be ineligible. The clans that are left from the originals should be awarded the clan hall depending on numbers 3 and 4. If there are no clans left after 1&2 then the clan hall should be put up for auction at a undisclosed date and time. That way if you really want a clan hall you will pay attention and hopefully be the first to bid. However the bid process wouldn't be who bids first but who bids highest. So when you bid it wouldn't matter when, but how much.
From what has been posted here it is obvious there were a number of clan halls not being occupied or held by alt clans. Some power clans preferred capture type clan halls for different reasons too.
So that being said why do not just eliminate anyone who didn't own a clan hall from the process all together.
Then from whats left you make it not the max bid but the adena you go refunded if you want to be in the same type clan hall. This will help with the clans on Luna and Franz who paid a lot less for their clan halls.
If you want to upgrade to a better class of clan hall IE B to A then up have to place 2 billion max bid regardless.
Also eliminate any clans that are not level 6 at least.
If you do all that majority of clans that held clans halls last time most likely will fill them and then all you have to worry about if their conflicts.
I took my old clan hall for example only 3 real clans held it on the 5 servers. I did not look at every clan hall just mine but that is a good example.
Just like the other guy posted his main clan had 5 clans halls for their alt clans. So right there 7 spots are gone. See how quickly this going now?
That Clanhall give away is a real joke and makes me reconsider buying the next time card.
Big clans wont care for 5bil and the chance to lose 35% of that, but the others are just wondering why the *** NCsoft needs Adena that badly.
Why couldnt you decide the CH giveaway on Clan activity as you said?
Its only 2 freaking servers left, so its no work at all to figure out which clans should get a CH.
Event sucks too, keep the good work up.
you are the only clan member that you wanna raise the money all by yourself? so you are either selfish or stupid ... because a clan that deserves a CH has 200+ members meaning that the 5bil ~ 25mil per member ie. pocket money
25mil is not pocket change..
maybe to you.. but most of the people i've played with even in large alliances generally don't walk around with more then say a mil or 2... quite often we have to track down someone with a brez/cardinal simply because we cannot afford to pick one up on a whim...
So 200 members with lets say AVERAGING 5 mile each... is a hell of a long way from 5 bil.
That Clanhall give away is a real joke and makes me reconsider buying the next time card.
Big clans wont care for 5bil and the chance to lose 35% of that, but the others are just wondering why the *** NCsoft needs Adena that badly.
Why couldnt you decide the CH giveaway on Clan activity as you said?
Its only 2 freaking servers left, so its no work at all to figure out which clans should get a CH.
Event sucks too, keep the good work up.
My logic on it is to attempt to take some tangible chunks of adena out of the economy in order to stem inflation.
I was on one of the personal sites from our famous Producer and look what he says about himself:
Producer / Game Designer specializing in PC and Console video game development and interactive entertainment. 13 years of game development and design experience and 22 total years in the software industry. Exceptional knowledge of the game development process including engineering, art, and audio integration complimented by excellent communication skills and team management.
Isnt it time too atleast respond too ure costumers?
or do i have a different view according "communication"??
But now I give to you the most bigger question players! Why do you need so much the clan halls??? I haven't clan hall and I not really need for it and same not really need for my clan mates.
So I really accept that, the NCwest made epic fail how he controlled this clan hall distribution and I hope they will change a new type of it.
But stop the game because you haven't clan hall or sell your items because you haven't clan hall is the most craziest thing what I heard.
You can take fortress too they are better or maybe castles. Now you will answer the big clans won't let it many big clans has many cheater write against them mass petitions (I can help you for it).
Can I give a tipp for all clans who want back their clan halls? Let's keep on your eyes on the big clans's leaders and if you see they do any illegal thing mass petition to them maybe the get bann before the clan hall event!
Profeta its like being poor... You do not why rich people can't do without until you had it yourself.
Not sure how old you are but if your older did ever wonder what you did before computers? But when you were younger you never missed it and didn't see the big deal about "Computers" since you didn't have one.
Same thing.
And Forts and Castles are not the same as clan halls. Your comparing apples to oranges. A fort can be taken from you every time you go to bed then you have to get the people to get it back meaning you could be without a fort for 2 - 3 days depending on the timing of events. A castle... your seriously on drugs if you think a castle is going to be owned by nothing less then 100+ 80 people now on the merged servers.
Clan halls are designed to close the level gap and speed up leveling. They were not designed for the power clans since they already have the castles and forts.
first off... a clan with a clan hall generally is going to be far more attractive to excisting and new players..
it's a hell of alot easier to deal with in terms of porting and resurrections.... obvious advantages...
BSOEs are cheap and accessible..
and they are a permanent place you can rely on no matter the day or time.
Where as forts are nice.. and yes a requirement without clan hall, but easily lost.... all it takes is 5 hours +5-15 minutes to lose a fort quick.
Castles are **** handy and as good as a clan hall too, 2 weeks at a time, provided you can get one... no guarantees..
Many other things factor in, so while i would be overall happy if no clan halls excisted at all, or everyone had one at their disposal....... it is simply a pretty big part of the game.
taking mob deaths and pvp deaths even with clan luck 2 can stack up fairly quick over time, i know that i've gone a few months even with the xp parties... losing more % over time due to raids and pvp... Tapping to village hurts, least with 50% res that's still half of the damage vs full....
maybe to you.. but most of the people i've played with even in large alliances generally don't walk around with more then say a mil or 2... quite often we have to track down someone with a brez/cardinal simply because we cannot afford to pick one up on a whim...
So 200 members with lets say AVERAGING 5 mile each... is a hell of a long way from 5 bil.
25mil is pocket change.. maybe you shouldn't fail so hard at the game. If each clannie cannot come up with 25mil THEN YOU DO NOT DESERVE A CLAN HALL.
I don't know what education the NCsoft team has, but here is a bit little chance to learn something:
1.Change Management: Crucial: >>> effectively communicate the change. Having no information to deal, apart from "you will be informed" is simply unfair and stupid. We have lives to take care of, not sit around the whole day, hoping that you would give us something.
2. You claim your method is fair? 5kkk adena requires preparation. WITH NO INFORMATION ABOUT THIS several weeks priors to the merge, do you expect people NOT to go to adena sellers now?
3. Why did you go through so much trouble to design criteria, so complicated, most clans will just not read?We have paid for something, it has been taken away and now just to be "fair" you took out rules out of god knows where to try to fix it.
>>> Simple: 3 clans owning the same CH before merge. 3 clans that have PAID!!!!!!!!!!
Just choose the most active, don't require adena.
4. Not to forget>
Not gonna even comment on that.
why so much tears droping in this thread ?O,O
freya,zaken,frintezza do i need to say what you need to do ?
**** all who get 5b are so **** ebayers and cheaters for using brain ! (3rd party soft :D )
if you fail even at gather 5b think if its worth to lead such clan :] its not cl matter to get adena but WHOLE clan hellooooooooo
and if u cant endure task dissolve clan and join to clans that GOT that 5b .
And at beginning you could get ch by buying it um for max 50m and now you cry that 5b is UNFAIR =) .Hmm could refer it to rl : IS IT ALWAYS FAIR? sometimes you get kick in *** , question is if u get up and will keep walking .
btw
ANY CLANS THAT WILL DROWN IN THEIR TEARS AND DECIDE TO QUIT I CAN TAKE FREELY ALL YOUR LOOT ~!1 ;]
why so much tears droping in this thread ?O,O
freya,zaken,frintezza do i need to say what you need to do ?
**** all who get 5b are so **** ebayers and cheaters for using brain ! (3rd party soft :D )
if you fail even at gather 5b think if its worth to lead such clan :] its not cl matter to get adena but WHOLE clan hellooooooooo
and if u cant endure task dissolve clan and join to clans that GOT that 5b .
And at beginning you could get ch by buying it um for max 50m and now you cry that 5b is UNFAIR =) .Hmm could refer it to rl : IS IT ALWAYS FAIR? sometimes you get kick in *** , question is if u get up and will keep walking .
btw
ANY CLANS THAT WILL DROWN IN THEIR TEARS AND DECIDE TO QUIT I CAN TAKE FREELY ALL YOUR LOOT ~!1 ;]
Why would we want to join clans that condone cheating? We are not in those clans for a reason.
Why would we want to join clans that condone cheating? We are not in those clans for a reason.
you need to cheat to get 5b ?O,o if you had ch you need 3b :> if you have 10 const grps calculate yourself :] frint+freya+zaken drops . . . . . . . .
or you like having full wh of stuff that you wont use or anyone in your clan/party/const/cc depend what setup you have :)
and fail at geting money is fail of whole clan .
Still mystery is why 65% will be returned :> rest they will resell?:D and if "randomly" clans will be picked it seems that most ppl that cry here will get the ch xD
like in lotto =D
grats on being elitist coming from one that managed to get lucky in the realms of the lineage II community.
Your pocket change... not more then likely 90% of the other players...
Your completely oblivious to the facts of the matter and to what goes on outside the world..
The same state in which you think anyone that doesn't have an epic is either lazy or as big a failure at that as well.
Frankly your comments are moot, quite a number of people already where your sitting on your high horse.
Let them eat cake you figure?
Judas, let me put it this way:
1. There are much less clan halls than clans that want them. Most clans won't be happy anyway. 5->1 merge of player-driven worlds is always a stupid idea, but that's what we already have, and no matter that we do we will suffer the consequences.
2. If my clan wins a clan hall, I might want to see you in. There are so many underperforming legit clans that it's not even funny; the server needs bigger and stronger legit ones, so that the same people would actually be able to make money by doing the high-end PvE instead of keeping their "omg we are poor and unorganized, but we are proud to be legit" attitude. You don't need to be poor to be legit in this game, period.
1. There are much less clan halls than clans that want them. Most clans won't be happy anyway. 5->1 merge of player-driven worlds is always a stupid idea, but that's what we already have, and no matter that we do we will suffer the consequences.
2. If my clan wins a clan hall, I might want to see you in. There are so many underperforming legit clans that it's not even funny; the server needs bigger and stronger legit ones, so that the same people would actually be able to make money by doing the high-end PvE instead of keeping their "omg we are poor and unorganized, but we are proud to be legit" attitude. You don't need to be poor to be legit in this game, period.
1: this is a fact.. yes.. true.. i don't disagree at all..
2: There are just as many underperforming mass top end clans that manage to meet the requirements too.... depends what you call underperforming. So i ask again as i've asked before, how is activity, value, and many countless other necessary attributes or unnecessary for that matter, able to decide whom should meet those requirements.
5 bil is still 5 bil, it's a peice of cake for some, it's a drop in a bucket for some, and it's pretty much impossible given the scope of time people have had to even think about ways to some up with it, let lone the TIME required to do so if they need it.
I've seen huge clans that have dozens of people that are active unable to do what some may consider "easy".. and small clans being able to out lvl and out gear, and out epic the top clans.
There are PVE clans, there are PVP clans and then there are the mix of both at various levels..
All the factors that play into the decision are irrelavent when it comes to the all mighty adena value. The only problem with which i have in this whole feiasco, to much, in to little of time. Made very easy by the very rules ncsoft has set. I'm not a legit elitist or anything, but i do consider it highly valueable, Provided with the option, i'll take a small clan of legitimate players over a clan of combination of legitimates that do not care about other clannies that are completely ilegit... Worse yet is the way many turn a blind eye to how that is all handled, or the fact they party with someone that is actively using the tools. I've heard it all, i've been in a pile of different clans.. i know how things work from a lowbies point of view to the uber class, I understand it, and that in a way is one reason i have a problem with a number of these things, i can grasp how hard or nearly impossible some of these things can be reguardless of how good you are at playing the game, how skilled you are at your toon, how good the people you are playing with and part of a clan with may or maynot be, it doesn't matter... the entire game is a gamble, and unfortunately they set the requirements a bit steep for a rediculious reason.
I think you guys could have done better by removing the Adena Requirements and doing a pure evaluation on the individual clans, their activity, level and their longevitiy with the game. You can't please everyone, of course. But maybe approaching "fairness" from the perspective of the less hard-core player base would give a more rounded view of game balance. Perhaps openning the door for discussion before these decisions were made might have also given some perspective.
In any case, best of luck to those who have the Adena pools to participate.
~ I.
5 bil is still 5 bil, it's a peice of cake for some, it's a drop in a bucket for some, and it's pretty much impossible given the scope of time people have had to even think about ways to some up with it, let lone the TIME required to do so if they need it.
So we've known about mergers for how long now? We've known clan halls would be an issue. You'd have to figure that 2bil would be the minimum requirement for a clan hall, and that it would be smart to place bids on multiple clan halls with alt clans to ensure success, so you'd want to raise the minimum bid multiple times.
There are many bosses in this game that are instances and drop substantial amount of gear that can be sold for adena on the open market.
Freya, Frint, Zaken, Tiat.
Prior to the Freya update, you could have easily sold many of the vesper/icarus weapons from Tiat on the market for at least 500mil on avg. You can do Tiat 2 times a week, so that is a 1 bil adena every week. 5 weeks later you have 5 bil. That doesn't include book drops, other raids to supplement adena. So, any clan worthy of a clan hall should have been doing this for the past few months to raise adena for a clan hall. Sure may not be able to freely upgrade the clan members as quickly during that time; however, you'd be able to secure your precious clan hall.
Do you need more logic of how a clan can come together to complete a common goal of obtaining a clan hall? If the members aren't willing to put in the effort, time, organization, possible xp loss, loss of income due to shot usage on a raid, then you don't deserve a clan hall.
Please continue to cry about your clans ineptitude.
Just make sure big botter clans or adena buyer clans dont get them
that's all i ask.
Well they just made sure that botting and adena buying is the ONLY way to get a CH. Think of it a little bit valuable CH is a B-grade CH, minimum price is 3500,000,000 adena, if you have 50 members willing to pay up then they have to pay 70kk each. Right, which single legit player has so much money laying around and then 50 legit players? :eek:
I was very very dissappointed with NC soft, but what to say this is just idiotic, you know whatever sure sure NC. We dont promote adena buying yes sure make it even more impossible for hand /human players...:mad:
I think you guys could have done better by removing the Adena Requirements and doing a pure evaluation on the individual clans, their activity, level and their longevitiy with the game. You can't please everyone, of course. But maybe approaching "fairness" from the perspective of the less hard-core player base would give a more rounded view of game balance. Perhaps openning the door for discussion before these decisions were made might have also given some perspective.
In any case, best of luck to those who have the Adena pools to participate.
~ I.
There are just as many underperforming mass top end clans that manage to meet the requirements too.... depends what you call underperforming. So i ask again as i've asked before, how is activity, value, and many countless other necessary attributes or unnecessary for that matter, able to decide whom should meet those requirements.
"Underperforming" as not being able to do what Korean developers intended to be done by top PvE clans. Even high-level Zaken, if done often and properly, will make 25 mil a pocket money for you.
5 bil is still 5 bil, it's a peice of cake for some, it's a drop in a bucket for some, and it's pretty much impossible given the scope of time people have had to even think about ways to some up with it, let lone the TIME required to do so if they need it.
Well, maybe it depends on how poor your server economy was pre-merge, but generally, if you are a high-end PvE clan where people can trust their leadership, you should have no problem gathering 5 bil by now, especially if you had a clan hall pre-merge and were planning to get one after. Even if you are fulllegit.
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Second, we're increasing the reimbursement from 65% to 85%. We think this will be enough to keep people from attempting to flood the market without breaking everybody's bank at the same time.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts and ideas in regard to this project and I encourage you to continue to share them with us going forward.
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Second, we're increasing the reimbursement from 65% to 85%. We think this will be enough to keep people from attempting to flood the market without breaking everybody's bank at the same time.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts and ideas in regard to this project and I encourage you to continue to share them with us going forward.
Thanks,
Cabel
Perhaps you care to share you ignorance on the TW Badges also? Just an opinion...
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Dear Cabel!
"merge with other clans" - In this game every clans are a little communities from a big community what is the server population. All clans have their own rules, their own politic, merge with another clan/clans won't help on them, just they loose their clans too not only their clan halls.
"recruit rich friend" - Well the much of the rich players are ebayer and botter, the legit players who maybe have enough money have to think 10 times where they put their money. The big clans example the SilentHorrorS, RedSky, Greenfire etc sure that got the money from their bot trains what the GM team unable to bann from many years.
You told us, you read the posts on the forum, than you can see your idea won't solve the problem, maybe 1-2 clans can get money under this time, but not all!
Awesome another week to figure out how to make a couple billion in this jacked up market we have now.
The market rocks. 500mil revenue/200mil profit this evening. Needed to change the shop location, though, as my old one is too crowded now.
What if no clan bids for a clan hall during the buy a way in some weeks do thay just become available from the Auction npc as per normal or remain locked down?.
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
I'm glad that Cabal shows some customer service here. Nevertheless, the ones in bold from the quote shows that Cabal has little clue about how the game community works. Keep up the customer service and know a bit more about your customers+how we play the game would help you get more happy customers.
<center>How will entries be processed?</center> Once your entry is received, we impartially review the status of your clan and the entry. We apply the same evaluation formula and criteria to all clans and entries.
When the entry period closes, the winning entries is randomly selected, and each winning clan receives a Clan Hall of the grade it bid for. The required bid amount of Adena is withdrawn from the Clan Warehouse. Each clan that does not win a Clan Hall will be reimbursed 85% of the amount originally submitted to its Clan Warehouse.
If your clan currently owns a contestable Clan Hall and wins an auctionable Clan Hall in this distribution giveaway, the contestable Clan Hall is released.
For your clan to eligible in this free prize draw, it must meet the following requirements:
You are the appointed representative of your clan for this contest.
You have the correct bid amount of adena in your character’s inventory or personal warehouse.
If you’re bidding for an A-Grade clan hall, you must have 5,000,000,000 Adena.
If you’re bidding for a B-Grade clan hall, you must have 3,500,000,000 Adena.
If you’re bidding for a C-Grade clan hall, you must have 2,500,000,000 Adena.
Your clan is level 5 or higher as of 11:59 PM (Pacific Time) on September 19, 2010.
Your clan is level 6 or higher as of 11:59 PM (Pacific Time) on October 20, 2010.
Your clan meets the member quantity requirements as described in the full details of the Clan Hall Distribution website page as of 11:59 PM (Pacific Time) on October 20, 2010.
One is from the event page, the other is from the rules page...
do we need adena in clan warehouse or personal warehouse?
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Second, we're increasing the reimbursement from 65% to 85%. We think this will be enough to keep people from attempting to flood the market without breaking everybody's bank at the same time.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts and ideas in regard to this project and I encourage you to continue to share them with us going forward.
Thanks,
Cabel
The gaming community appreciates you hearing our concerns and addressing some of them. Tyvm!
And once again to those who complain about the prices involved of A grade clan halls I would say.....if you can't afford 5 bill AS A CLAN then either your clan is too small and shouldn't have an A grade clan hall, or your clan lacks teamwork and is not willing to share. There is no other reasonable option.
ANY 100% LEGIT lvl 80 character has the ability to consistently earn 50 mill per day in L2. This isn't a maybe, or an "under ideal circumstances" type of thing. You have to work hard, understand the game, etc. but it can be done. Clans can also kill Freya, Tiat, Ekimus, Zaken, etc with 4 parties max and sell the epics, books, weapons and armor if needed to raise the adena.
Gather 100 players, collect 50 mill per player, done. This isn't to mention the main focus is and should be allowing those who already had clan halls on the old servers to gain them again. Most of those clans were re-imbursed 2 bill so they only have to collect 3 bill. If you are starting collecting from scratch, then you should have to work harder.
Just curious how many of the people who say its easy to make adena in L2 have and or use 2 or more accounts on a consistant basis? Just wondering since I only have one account, I am lvl 80 and I don't make 50mil a day playing this game. Of course I spend between 1-3 hours a day playing L2 during the week and sometime longer on the weekend. So I dont expect too but im currious how its done with 1 toon.
After seeing how they raised the money bids on the clan halls. It almost looks like they just catered to the R.M.T. crowd and those guys will be the ones with clan halls. Just stating what it looks like from how some of us view it. Guess it's to hard for them to do it without game money involved and way to hard to put more clan halls in game for you all.
@all
thanks for your participation in this discussion, at least our concerns have been heard.
@nc staff
I appreciate your concession on this matter, especially on raising the amount reimbursed in case a clan is unlucky. 15% is an acceptable loss.
The extended time on the "event" is appreciated too, this gives honorable clans the time they might need to hit the requirements. the bigger power clans have everything ready already anyway.
i can understand that the criterias are hidden, but in my opinion experienced players can imagine what criterias will be taken into consideration when you make the selection of ilegible clans.
please take the extended times to think about everything again, since this process is hidden nobody knows if you shift relevance of criterias, add some or remove.
make it the most fair you can think of.
read this thread again carefully many people had good ideas, the community told you what criterias are important.
also please have in mind what a clanhall means to a clan, in either econimical, emotional, technical and also progressive (how it brings a clan forwards, helps to grow etc.) way.
the most powerclans will have castles, will have the fortresses, have the access to goods even if they are more expensive than being bought in clanhall (Zaken drops 20-40 BSOE each time, just as a sidenote).
My clan has so far gathered 3 blood alliances, we are from teon, in my opinion a big achievement for a neutral legit clan (and our alliance and friends of course: special thanks to Ech0, TheNewTerror and Union alliance). Taking a castle with a lucky sneak attack is not that hard, but keeping it when a powerclan decides to come with 5 hero parties ... no it isnt.
People from Luna and Franz had different environment, some castles were even untaken. not to mention the fortresses. a lvl 11 clan from luna has same relevance as a lvl 9 from teon imo (yea gogo flame me on that comment)
i just say this because clan level has always been an issue. CRP is not a problem but 5 blood alliances for clan level 10, while level 11 needs only being lord of a territory? (having a castle not winning constinuous sieges).
Take the time to think about all the issues people in this game deal with, think about the problems clan have to face and the huge difference of difficulties the various clans have to bear. Powerclans are self running juggernauts. their leader just points a direction and the 15 constant parties in that clan do the rest, like a clockwork, problems are dealt with on lowest level, the members fix em themselves.
in a clan like ours without full activity of all members, only partial constant packs of players, lack of human resources and key classes, problems are carried to the top... me.
both clan constructs work totally different, and both have totally different demands and requirements from the environment.
erf now i wrote another mammut post but i just wanted to express my thanks on your reaction.
Make good decisions when you evaluate eligable clans.
greets
CastorKhan
PS: we have the 2 billion from the bidding on a ch AFTER merge pending for reimbursement on tuesday maintenance. Will, NCsoft Game Support Lead who was working on my support ticket said the pending adena will be taken into consideration when counting the entry fee, just wanted to remind you all not to forget.
trust is good but well, dont want another "oops" :)
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Second, we're increasing the reimbursement from 65% to 85%. We think this will be enough to keep people from attempting to flood the market without breaking everybody's bank at the same time.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts and ideas in regard to this project and I encourage you to continue to share them with us going forward.
Thanks,
Cabel
Cabel,
Thank you for listening to us and make this changes to the clan hall distribution rules.
I was thinking how hard would it be to allow entire alliances to share same clan hall (or should it be called Alliance Hall?). I know some code changes would be required but is it possible to go in that direction? And maybe expand it even to castles and fortresses.
What I mean is something along the lines of having a clan as owner of hall/castle/fortress as it is now but allowing other clans in same alliance to use them at least in the most useful functions.
Thank you for listening to us and make this changes to the clan hall distribution rules.
I was thinking how hard would it be to allow entire alliances to share same clan hall (or should it be called Alliance Hall?). I know some code changes would be required but is it possible to go in that direction? And maybe expand it even to castles and fortresses.
What I mean is something along the lines of having a clan as owner of hall/castle/fortress as it is now but allowing other clans in same alliance to use them at least in the most useful functions.
Thank you and best regards,
+100 .. the best idea i have seen since a long time!
Thank you for listening to us and make this changes to the clan hall distribution rules.
I was thinking how hard would it be to allow entire alliances to share same clan hall (or should it be called Alliance Hall?). I know some code changes would be required but is it possible to go in that direction? And maybe expand it even to castles and fortresses.
What I mean is something along the lines of having a clan as owner of hall/castle/fortress as it is now but allowing other clans in same alliance to use them at least in the most useful functions.
Thank you and best regards,
Nothing code wise can be changed without Korean approval. So, I wouldn't get my hopes up over that.
its not about hopes retribution its about sharing good ideas :)
its the job of NC West to forward ideas from the community to the korean development team.
we are not stupid ofc we know we cant just snip fingers and we get everything we want. but having a good idea but being shut will definately erase any chance of a good idea reaching the correct location.
Based on your feedback we've decided to make a few changes to the Clan Hall Distribution plan.
First, we are extending the deadline by one week. The actual new date will be updated in the Clan Hall Distribution rules web page, but in short we're giving you an extra week to arrange financing, merge with other clans, recruit rich friends, etc.
Second, we're increasing the reimbursement from 65% to 85%. We think this will be enough to keep people from attempting to flood the market without breaking everybody's bank at the same time.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts and ideas in regard to this project and I encourage you to continue to share them with us going forward.
Thanks,
Cabel
This is what I call listening. There were 2 issues deemed as unfair by almost everyone, those were exactly the ones adresses.
Thank you for this, it is a great day for the community, thank you !
M
maybe to you.. but most of the people i've played with even in large alliances generally don't walk around with more then say a mil or 2... quite often we have to track down someone with a brez/cardinal simply because we cannot afford to pick one up on a whim...
So 200 members with lets say AVERAGING 5 mile each... is a hell of a long way from 5 bil.
u sir definatelly play another game! ur telling me that ppl dont know how to make adena? ill tell u what , this is a 6 year old game, at least one thing ppl should know by now, is how to make adena!
So we've known about mergers for how long now? We've known clan halls would be an issue. You'd have to figure that 2bil would be the minimum requirement for a clan hall, and that it would be smart to place bids on multiple clan halls with alt clans to ensure success, so you'd want to raise the minimum bid multiple times.
Indeed.. but your still refusing to see any other side but your own.. you spit on the clans that you think are beneath you.... your point of view is looking down.. and while that is true for some aspects... anything that you do you beleive everyone else can do to... just at the drop of the hat... this is both ilogical to even think this at all....
Of course people knew of clans and clan hall, It would be stupid not to even at LEAST have 2bil on hand.. and try to have a surplus.. but countless clans of various sizes were to be expected to raise what... 4.... 6... 8... 10 bil? give me a break..... Provided with what time and resources are available... of course anyone will do what they can.... but you CANNOT expect everyone to be able to do it.. and actually in fact, if you were to expect it, you'd have a problem yourself admittedly.
There are many bosses in this game that are instances and drop substantial amount of gear that can be sold for adena on the open market.
Freya, Frint, Zaken, Tiat.
Prior to the Freya update, you could have easily sold many of the vesper/icarus weapons from Tiat on the market for at least 500mil on avg. You can do Tiat 2 times a week, so that is a 1 bil adena every week. 5 weeks later you have 5 bil. That doesn't include book drops, other raids to supplement adena. So, any clan worthy of a clan hall should have been doing this for the past few months to raise adena for a clan hall. Sure may not be able to freely upgrade the clan members as quickly during that time; however, you'd be able to secure your precious clan hall.
Yet again with the suggestion what can be done.. but neglecting the necessary force required. Do you not know anything reguarding the populus of the servers and the clans on it.... Let alone the players? You have any idea at all the figures that need to be calculated in to do these things? Wouldn't be be just great if every clan had a titan party geared to the nuts with 300 elemented weapons and enchanted skills to do it. It's a snap, easy peasy, like cutting butter with a hot knife everytime.. tops 10-20 minutes. Unfortunately this isn't the case for majority of the clans even the bigger ones that are INDEED worthy.... excluding your elitist point of view of not being worthy. Seriously your cutting your own throat in the end and you could see the bridges you are burning in which you need to cross if your life depended on it obviously. Even a fairly active clan cannot generally do frint or tiat on a whim, the preperations for it quite high, the parties required and the time. Sorry many do not BOX a ton of support or have the higher levels that can walk through it like it was nothing. But i know clans that can.... and i've been in them.... and i also am well aware of quite a number of players that have botted boxes running like a train behind them. Hell i've been in vent with the very person that has a total of 9 clients being botted running behind him and in a few other parties doing things at precisely perfect timing... so granted with these "assets" and cheats at hand, no wonder some of these "simple" tasks can be completed so easily and there isn't any forththought required, want to do it.... just do it right?
Lastly you STILL ignore the facts of the matter server side economics... i know for a fact that of a few vesper/icuras and other such amor and weapons simply would not move.... sayha's market was screwed, even at below CRYSTAL count value of these things it would not sell.... this is for nearly a year to a year and a half that the market had been rather slim to none, no one really selling and no one really buying, alot of swapping and cheap deals had to be made, and some just couldn't be tolerated... Lets take a vesper cutter as an example, would you sell it for 200mil 4 months ago? doubt it.... Even today things are not moving easily due to merge results.. it'll straighten up.. but considering what i've seen on barts and pheonix in terms of market and i can say that it was far more favorable to the clans there....
These are all things that must be taken into consideration..... call it the silver spoon vs plastic spoon paradox if you wish. The fact remains there is a problem, and what you cannot comprehend as being one and are finding every conceiveable excuse as to why all other clans are failures.
Do you need more logic of how a clan can come together to complete a common goal of obtaining a clan hall? If the members aren't willing to put in the effort, time, organization, possible xp loss, loss of income due to shot usage on a raid, then you don't deserve a clan hall.
Please continue to cry about your clans ineptitude.
Yet again how scewed your point of view is..... your logic is totally unsound. There is Life, unfortunately many people including myself are required to live it in order to even play the game. Does that make us unworthy or make us uneligiable for a clan hall... that's perpostrous. I know many clans that are doing what they know they can do and in many cases putting huge efforts into doing things they know they have not been able to do and have died trying to do in order to fill the requirements.
Ineptitude.....
pretty big word from someone that knows nothing about value apparently..
Once again i do not think i SPECIFICALLY stated my own clan as being very problematic.... who knows.... wouldn't that be halarious if the clan i am residing in currently managed to get a clan hall and yours did not... wouldn't that be utterly ironic?
What would your point of vew be then.... Are you really so sure of your clans position currently that you can without even a hint of doubt say that you have a clan hall.
Guess we'll find out at least...
Still i think it would be quite funny if it worked out that way... your clan failing to get a clan hall, while others around you that you think are inept......... managed to swing a clan hall...
u sir definatelly play another game! ur telling me that ppl dont know how to make adena? ill tell u what , this is a 6 year old game, at least one thing ppl should know by now, is how to make adena!
feel free to lecture me considerign how long i've been playing.
Crafting? oh that's dandy.... granted only if you are sucessful.... weee
Farming? In what manner and way? Provided with what toons and play styles..... it can be done in terms of monoring... provided you can beat the split second ticket..... really we don't need to go into detail on this issue
OEing? give me a break...
It's a gamble.. and there are people losing and there are people winning. Can the one big score cover the costs of the entire game.. hell no.
I'm not sure what game your playing.. but it's not lineage 2 if you think making adena is simple thing to do.
I'd be curious to know how many of those that claim it's easy have pulled their credit cards out for some.... I'd love to know actually.... Wouldn't that be swell.
"Underperforming" as not being able to do what Korean developers intended to be done by top PvE clans. Even high-level Zaken, if done often and properly, will make 25 mil a pocket money for you.
Not many clans could even attempt to do zaken let alone those that could, would die before a sliver of health was on it..
depends what you call top pve... Still requires specific classes and support to do it in either the right gear or right lvls and such... near perfect sanarios are not always common....
Well, maybe it depends on how poor your server economy was pre-merge, but generally, if you are a high-end PvE clan where people can trust their leadership, you should have no problem gathering 5 bil by now, especially if you had a clan hall pre-merge and were planning to get one after. Even if you are fulllegit.
If this is your concept.... it's not well thought out unfortunately......
I think you are undervaluing a lot of the second tier clans on the various servers. Yes, they may not be geared as well as the top clans on each server, but many of them have the capability of killing tiat on their on on a 2 times/week basis. There are always items from Tiat that will always sell (vesper cutter, shaper, thrower, will books, protection books). I know of many of these clans doing tiat, they may not be as efficient, but they still get the job done. Top clans do tiat with 1-2 parties and 2-3 parties of boxes used to port in.
I think you are undervaluing a lot of the second tier clans on the various servers. Yes, they may not be geared as well as the top clans on each server, but many of them have the capability of killing tiat on their on on a 2 times/week basis. There are always items from Tiat that will always sell (vesper cutter, shaper, thrower, will books, protection books). I know of many of these clans doing tiat, they may not be as efficient, but they still get the job done. Top clans do tiat with 1-2 parties and 2-3 parties of boxes used to port in.
I agree for the most part, but the clans that have that much don't exactly do them to sell them, highest priority is to gear the clannies up. What's the point of stockpiling adena if people need the gear? And the only ones that don't have a very long waitlist for aren't exactly highly prized on the market xD
I will try my best to raise that adena, i know i will never succed 5B
I also know i will pass the review of me and my clan, but i will never get that adena.
Im hoping NC soft STILL will look into the matter of adena for the clanhalls, me and my clan is doin our very best to raise as much as we can, and your free to take what ever we come up with as long its going for that presious clanhall.
I know some say u dont need clanhall, but if you go gracia OR hellbound u end up in clanhall when soe ch. We work during the days and cannot defend a fort if ppl suggest we go for one, it will be lost during the days.
are you neutrals out of your mind? why get a extension? you should of gather adena for the clan halls before the merge you got plenty of time to stop crying.
are you neutrals out of your mind? why get a extension? you should of gather adena for the clan halls before the merge you got plenty of time to stop crying.
So you are saying that you knew before the merge that the max bid would be 5bil and not 2bil like it has always been?
of course its only logic
lets see
server all moved to texas.....
sace posts
the adena thread lol
could you people not see it?
if you cant farm elemental stones and make around 500mil every 5 or so days your doing something wrong with l2 and the market
We knew about the merges, but that the max bid on CH's would become 5bil is something no one expected specially when it was 2bil on the PTS.
Oh and not everyone plays an over powered class that can farm all those stones and not everyone played on a server that was overfloded with stones. On Aria they all went for around 2m each so you would had to gather 250 stones and hope that people would buy...I don't see that happen when you can pole in FoG for an entire day in the bug/skeleton room and get 10-20 stones if you are lucky.
Or are you still playing the same way as you used to play on Lionna? afk farming during sleep
We knew about the merges, but that the max bid on CH's would become 5bil is something no one expected specially when it was 2bil on the PTS.
Oh and not everyone plays an over powered class that can farm all those stones and not everyone played on a server that was overfloded with stones. On Aria they all went for around 2m each so you would had to gather 250 stones and hope that people would buy...I don't see that happen when you can pole in FoG for an entire day in the bug/skeleton room and get 10-20 stones if you are lucky.
Or are you still playing the same way as you used to play on Lionna? afk farming during sleep
this is not pts deal with it. 5 bil is expected
farming stones is easy go to den of evil and kill mobs or chimeras in HB which pretty much any class can solo there if you know how.
stop crying you dont know how the real world works, and cant make any in game profit using economics.
After seeing how they raised the money bids on the clan halls. It almost looks like they just catered to the R.M.T. crowd and those guys will be the ones with clan halls. Just stating what it looks like from how some of us view it. Guess it's to hard for them to do it without game money involved and way to hard to put more clan halls in game for you all.
For someone that runs around in common A-grade and then thinks he is upgrading when he puts on regular c grade set, I can see how it would look that way to you.
Maybe if you werent in such a tiny little fail-clan, you could have had a clan hall too.
Maybe you and Isabelie can roleplay your clan hall is in the beer box in Dion wh?
Not many clans could even attempt to do zaken let alone those that could, would die before a sliver of health was on it..
depends what you call top pve... Still requires specific classes and support to do it in either the right gear or right lvls and such... near perfect sanarios are not always common....
If this is your concept.... it's not well thought out unfortunately......
I restarted naked and was geared back with the help of some friends but only barely. I managed to trade a bit, upgrade a wolf and dress some subs, restart the legit clan that i had from 0 and here we are after 4 months level 7 clan, with 4 BN in clan money only from 20 or so ppl.
The problem for us now is if we bid for C grade CH or B grade. We would have gone for C grade, it was our intention intially, but since they are only 3 and many ppl unlikely to have money to bid for B grade, I think we are forced to consider B grade.
Of course, we will be disqualified, we are legit clan, but we have to give GMs the benefit of the doubt and trust for once their methods of catching cheaters, but considering the record so far, the chances are slim to none.
However, in the old method, there were same chances, slim to none because of the automated bidders, it is just the same, except GMs are now having the keys to CH instead of my bidding skills (I know a lot about the game to try some tricks and twart most bots), so if they disqualify us it will be their fault, if they just take the money and give no CH it will be their fault AND bad luck, so I feel relieved it is not so much responsibility on my shoulders, it is either bad luck, GM's fault or both, we did all we had to do, nothing will be our fault.
M
can any NC employee tell me, why u posted so much about how to register for a clanhall and than nothing happens if ppl do so? u said u gonna send a mail if the registration worked or not. i stored 6b in clanwh at friday afternoon, translated the whole rules thingy into german so i dont do anything wrong. i filled out what u wanted and did exactly what is asked. so far i got 2 automated answer, first told me i should read Q&A and check if the links sended with that e-mail can help me. 2nd told me that my issue will be send to a head GM.
i would be glad if some1 can tell me if my registration worked or not. thx!
If ppl wait more info from gm about ch distribution...they fails.
the day when Nc soft announced server merged, they was supposed to be aware about ch reset and started to save money
And ppl alerady told it 5b/100 active ppl = 50m each
Eat did u use a NA clan member to represent you for ch distribution ?
Eat did u use a NA clan member to represent you for ch distribution ?
no, as i understand what they wrote, NA or European Union members count. anyways, exactly for that case i would appriciate a mail which tells me if i did sumthing wrong or if everything is cool (as NC said in their rules).... still nothing.
can i ask why all the qq here didnt go for hot springs ch on cronos
excellent question...
answer is... a few people DID..
ask NCSoft why the clan hall was bugged preventing people from getting it at all.. and then in their brilliance after answering petitions.... giveing what was required EVEN though the clan hall game was over with... ironic.....
Judas pretty much summed it all up.
of course its only logic
lets see
server all moved to texas.....
sace posts
the adena thread lol
could you people not see it?
if you cant farm elemental stones and make around 500mil every 5 or so days your doing something wrong with l2 and the marketNC was talking about a 'giveaway' before merge, nothing about prices...
if by 2010 ppl that already playing this game for 3+ years need tips on how to make adena! then u really shouldnt be playing!It's not how to do it, it's about having no luck or no time (i.e. not being able to set up an afk shop etc) to do it.
Even if u tell us to join a big *** clan that does the top raids, ppl aren't guaranteed to be apart of it.
Not many clans could even attempt to do zaken let alone those that could, would die before a sliver of health was on it..
depends what you call top pve... Still requires specific classes and support to do it in either the right gear or right lvls and such... near perfect sanarios are not always common....
Zaken "requires" 2 standard stacked S80 parties (the support can be lower level, but then it needs to stay away from Zaken's AoE, or the healers will run out of MP). If your clan/alliance cannot form those, you are better to be in another clan/alliance.
Zaken "requires" 2 standard stacked S80 parties (the support can be lower level, but then it needs to stay away from Zaken's AoE, or the healers will run out of MP). If your clan/alliance cannot form those, you are better to be in another clan/alliance.
A lot of ppl write same things, but let's try to look on it from different possition.
NCWest make biggest adena deletion. Only winners will pay 21*5+13*3.5+3*2.5=158b of Adena. Another clans will pay "just" 15% of full bid amount but it's also huge amount of money.
Second point, ppl say that any active clan with 60-80-100 ppl can farm this money in 1 day.
Let's take only winers (I afraid of estimating general amount of clan participated in this "event") - 37 clans with average 80 ppl will go to earn money. It's 3k ppl only from winer clans. And this 3k ppl come farm KE, stones, crystalls, RB ... or go play on market (buy cheaper, sell exensive). And all 3k will be successfull with earning money?
And last point - you can have gear cost 20-30b, but just 10k adena in your pocket. And when a lot of ppl decide to sell stuff - price fast go down. A lot of stuff already close with price to S-cry. And soon S-cry price can come to shop-buy price (like it happen on RU servers).
I think NCWest try to avoit RMT, but what can we see ? Some ppl offer to clan leaders 80+++ characters (that never was in any clan) to join his clan to increase chance to get CH. Also they offer adena to CWH from this characters. For sure all of this is not for free and for sure no one will be able to prove RMT here.
BTW, DragonHunters clan still dont get adena back for CH on Teon.
And also 1 important question (dont want to have any more missunderstanding and misscommunication) - If we have pvp-type CH during CH distribution and we win - current pvp-type CH will be released, it's clear. But do we get town-type CH instead due to win in distribution? (I think it's obvious, but TW badges also was obviuos, so I need official answer)
Anyone who is upset that it's 5bil instead of 2bil is simply another case of people looking for anything and everything to complain about. Max Bid on a Clan Hall has been 2bil for years, and it was brought up on numerous occasions that it should be modified to reflect current market situations.
A few years ago, 2bil was defiantly a considerable amount of Adena for a clan to obtain. In the current market, 2bil is typically value of a single end game players Weapon, and or Set of armor... If anything, to simulate what Clan Hall values were now to what they were then, it should be more along the lines of 10bil, so 5bil is more than fair.
Either way, there is plenty of contested Clan Halls, as well as Fortresses to go around. I honestly have no sympathy for people who seem to think this is unrealistic requirement, as it was discussed on numerous occasions, and people were expecting Clan Hall max bids to be raised just like everything else that was capped before was raised.
2bil is typically value of a single end game players Weapon, and or Set of armor...
I'd say it is value of a single end game players basic weapon and set of armor.
yeah, nothing to say, I think it is fair unless the hidden criteria will be used to disqualify legits, I am amazed they did listen and postponed a bit also they decreased the penalty for participants that wont get ****.
I see no reason why the hidden criteria will remain hidden after bid so I wait a full disclosure after the CHs have been awarded and we will see if that was the case.
M
Anyone who is upset that it's 5bil instead of 2bil is simply another case of people looking for anything and everything to complain about. Max Bid on a Clan Hall has been 2bil for years, and it was brought up on numerous occasions that it should be modified to reflect current market situations.
A few years ago, 2bil was defiantly a considerable amount of Adena for a clan to obtain. In the current market, 2bil is typically value of a single end game players Weapon, and or Set of armor... If anything, to simulate what Clan Hall values were now to what they were then, it should be more along the lines of 10bil, so 5bil is more than fair.
Either way, there is plenty of contested Clan Halls, as well as Fortresses to go around. I honestly have no sympathy for people who seem to think this is unrealistic requirement, as it was discussed on numerous occasions, and people were expecting Clan Hall max bids to be raised just like everything else that was capped before was raised.
The only unrealistic thing is the clan/ch ratio. On Chronos we got 58 clans between lvl 9 and 11 that fit the criteria plus an additional 33 clans (one of them a GM clan) that have not enough members (but can be pimped till the 20th). Additional you have clans level 8 that can reach 9 and enter the pool as well. Now ofc if say 10 of those 32 clans have a banned leader and 15 of the 58 clans wont have the 5bil we still end up with 70 clans that can go for 21 halls. Some of those 70 are altclans but unless NC releases more details about the "hidden criteria" that doesnt matter..size, level and money will fit.
So basicly that leaves us with a 66% chance of getting screwed.
A lot of ppl write same things, but let's try to look on it from different possition.
NCWest make biggest adena deletion. Only winners will pay 21*5+13*3.5+3*2.5=158b of Adena. Another clans will pay "just" 15% of full bid amount but it's also huge amount of money.
Nope. NCsoft have just injected there the "buyback" adena from 38 clan halls per server (5 servers for Chronos, 3 servers for Naia). Even if only 1/2 of clan hall money returned were for max bid amount (2bil), that alone would give 190bil of "extra" adena on Chronos.
If NCsoft does not want server inflation, they needed to bind or remove that money somehow.
Nope. NCsoft have just injected there the "buyback" adena from 38 clan halls per server (5 servers for Chronos, 3 servers for Naia). Even if only 1/2 of clan hall money returned were for max bid amount (2bil), that alone would give 190bil of "extra" adena on Chronos.
If NCsoft does not want server inflation, they needed to bind or remove that money somehow.
NC just return adena that was give to NPC some time ago. Dunno about NA, but on EU a lot of CH was purchased much less that 2b. Especialy on Franz/Luna.
Anyone who is upset that it's 5bil instead of 2bil is simply another case of people looking for anything and everything to complain about. Max Bid on a Clan Hall has been 2bil for years, and it was brought up on numerous occasions that it should be modified to reflect current market situations.
A few years ago, 2bil was defiantly a considerable amount of Adena for a clan to obtain. In the current market, 2bil is typically value of a single end game players Weapon, and or Set of armor... If anything, to simulate what Clan Hall values were now to what they were then, it should be more along the lines of 10bil, so 5bil is more than fair.
Either way, there is plenty of contested Clan Halls, as well as Fortresses to go around. I honestly have no sympathy for people who seem to think this is unrealistic requirement, as it was discussed on numerous occasions, and people were expecting Clan Hall max bids to be raised just like everything else that was capped before was raised.
Can you include in this reply more details ? We select clan member who are not minor, live in Canada and what was the problem ? We dont have time to change clan representative 10 times.
You'll need to update your ticket with your question. We are unable to see exactly what they were referencing, so we (from the community standpoint) will be unable to provide any answers to that question.
On the contrary, we get less crowded servers, therefore it is normal to pay more for more "Lebensraum".
M
That doesnt make sense..they just merged 5 servers into 1 fyi so how are servers less crowded? I remeber when I started in C1 on Gustin I paid in $..at some point (while I stayed on an NA server) they just converted it into € and kept it there no matter how far the dollar sunk. So ya, regardless on what server you play, euros are paying more than americans for exactly the same game/support/more ping.
Moxie, we make 2 petition 4 days ago. After 3 days receive reply that representative not valid. Yesterday we ask "why" and still no reply. I understand that Will can't work 24\7, but why for so mportant process dedicated only 1 person?
And in all reply Will say that deadline for request - as of today. So what about 1 additional week? It's again missunderstanding/misscommunication?
That doesnt make sense..they just merged 5 servers into 1 fyi so how are servers less crowded? I remeber when I started in C1 on Gustin I paid in $..at some point (while I stayed on an NA server) they just converted it into € and kept it there no matter how far the dollar sunk. So ya, regardless on what server you play, euros are paying more than americans for exactly the same game/support/more ping.
You didnt understand me. I play on EU server which is less crowded than NA one, We have more space and that is really paramount for legits, so we pay more in Euro as premium for better conditions. We were able to level in FoG more than once, so it deffinitely is worth paying more. NA server probably has no free spot in FoG, must be bots everywhere, not only regular spots, therefore it is normal to pay less for a worse service. Heck, clannies level even in SV, most bots there are without enforcers and only 1 PK happened so far.
M
I have some info for some days now that they do try to vet out the bots, at least some. It may not be as bad as I feared and hidden criteria will not be used to block legits.
If indeed this is the case, congratulations !
I also heard some bots QQ that some 3rd party programs have been blocked somehow. This is excellent news, if they block 3rd party programs, **** the badges, manor, whatever, I am happy and sure many others, even tho the large majority will be extremely upset !
M
That doesnt make sense..they just merged 5 servers into 1 fyi so how are servers less crowded? I remeber when I started in C1 on Gustin I paid in $..at some point (while I stayed on an NA server) they just converted it into € and kept it there no matter how far the dollar sunk. So ya, regardless on what server you play, euros are paying more than americans for exactly the same game/support/more ping.
Does anyone know how long it takes til you receive reply to submission of the request for CH ?
We sent early Friday and no reply so far. How long it took for you to receive a reply if you did ?
Thanks.
M
O.o ok that one I had not heard, which clan is a GM clan?, is that not forbidden for NC employees?, if you have such information regardless of how you got it, you should make it public.
O.o ok that one I had not heard, which clan is a GM clan?, is that not forbidden for NC employees?, if you have such information regardless of how you got it, you should make it public.
Ok you got in and editted before I could repply but here's what he said:
"...The only unrealistic thing is the clan/ch ratio. On Chronos we got 58 clans between lvl 9 and 11 that fit the criteria plus an additional 33 clans (one of them a GM clan) that have not enough members (but can be pimped till the 20th)..."
he is not refering to a GM clan that was created to perform a function such as being a temporay CH holder. What he implies with the way he wrote it, is a GM clan that is competing vs. other clans for the in game resources. Very different things, but since you have known me all my life you know I can be very dense, or at least that's what you said.
Ok you got in and editted before I could repply but here's what he said:
"...The only unrealistic thing is the clan/ch ratio. On Chronos we got 58 clans between lvl 9 and 11 that fit the criteria plus an additional 33 clans (one of them a GM clan) that have not enough members (but can be pimped till the 20th)..."
he is not refering to a GM clan that was created to perform a function such as being a temporay CH holder. What he implies with the way he wrote it, is a GM clan that is competing vs. other clans for the in game resources. Very different things, but since you have known me all my life you know I can be very dense, or at least that's what you said.
First of all, I went back and looked at his specific post, and it can be taken two ways as far as what kind of GM clan he means:
1) The GMs simply have a clan they created to test things or to more quickly communicate with one another while on the server.
2) The GM's have playable toons that they made a clan for.
The first is more likely than the second (especially because I don't think Shinn would know who their playable toons are), but either way he never said they were actually competing for a clan hall.
It irks me when ppl come on here and just ******* assume that there are conspiracies behind ever nook and turn. Relax, pull those bunched up panties out of your ***, and just wait to see what happens before you march around talking about making info public lol.
not to side track - I thought Spam said many years ago that the NC employees are allowed to play the game, but could not be in a normal clan/could never reveal that they worked for NCSoft... something like that.
But you have to ask yourself, would you want to play a game that you also consider work...
Does anyone know how long it takes til you receive reply to submission of the request for CH ?
We sent early Friday and no reply so far. How long it took for you to receive a reply if you did ?
Thanks.
M
Usually they don't. So feel lucky if they ever do. Even if it they let you know that they closing it.
First of all, I went back and looked at his specific post, and it can be taken two ways as far as what kind of GM clan he means:
1) The GMs simply have a clan they created to test things or to more quickly communicate with one another while on the server.
2) The GM's have playable toons that they made a clan for.
The first is more likely than the second (especially because I don't think Shinn would know who their playable toons are), but either way he never said they were actually competing for a clan hall.
It irks me when ppl come on here and just ******* assume that there are conspiracies behind ever nook and turn. Relax, pull those bunched up panties out of your ***, and just wait to see what happens before you march around talking about making info public lol.
1. You did not make the post I was refering to, so you are also only assuming something that you don't know for sure either and if you do, clarification for the rest of us mortals would be enough
2. If Shinn did mean they were competing or potential competitors for a CH then he would not have bundled them in the count.
3. If the fact that they are in part populated by GM's was irrelevant then why even mention it, it's like saying ("btw one of the clans is made of buddist monks") wtf relevance would it have if that does not affect their chances in getting a CH
4. Stop being a kid and talk like educated, normal people do because an argument done where your closing comment is to insult the person who you are supposed to be talking it does very little to help that other person concede that you may or may not have a point.
And if a game forum irritates you so much that you need feel the urge to be an *** at a simple one line post then you probably need to go out and get some air.
1. You did not make the post I was refering to, so you are also only assuming something that you don't know for sure either and if you do, clarification for the rest of us mortals would be enough
2. If Shinn did mean they were competing or potential competitors for a CH then he would not have bundled them in the count.
3. If the fact that they are in part populated by GM's was irrelevant then why even mention it, it's like saying ("btw one of the clans is made of buddist monks") wtf relevance would it have if that does not affect their chances in getting a CH
4. Stop being a kid and talk like educated, normal people do because an argument done where your closing comment is to insult the person who you are supposed to be talking it does very little to help that other person concede that you may or may not have a point.
And if a game forum irritates you so much that you need feel the urge to be an *** at a simple one line post then you probably need to go out and get some air.
He never said they were competing for the spot, he simply counted up clans that are within a certain level. I get plenty of fresh air, but that's not going to change the fact that reading the same blathering on here gets old after a time. Btw, an ad hominem has its place, especially on this forum where too many people jump the gun while running for the kleenex.
Does anyone know how long it takes til you receive reply to submission of the request for CH ?
We sent early Friday and no reply so far. How long it took for you to receive a reply if you did ?
Thanks.
M
I send ticket 14-10 18:26 polish time
first response: 14-10 20:41 that they sending ticket to senior staff members to review
second response: 15-10 17:11 that they accepted, also adena dissapear from CWH at the same time
So all less than 24 h
Regards
L.
edit: i gave date and hour because of diffrent times zone (our afternoon its their morning) also you had weekend 16/17-10
Do we know when results are to be expected ? (other than the official "soon" ofc !!! :) )
from Clan Hall Distribution Official Rules and Conditions:
"The winning entries will be drawn at random by representatives of the Sponsor. Winners will be notified via e-mail and announced on the Lineage II web site on or about October 26, 2010. Any and all decisions of the Sponsor, shall be final and binding in all respects."
When will the selection process be completed? When will we know. At first it said on or about the 19th, and now that its been extended through to the 20th it doesn't really mention what date we will know.:confused:
Today is the last day for submitting an entry for the Clan Hall Distribution. As of Monday, October 18, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. (Pacific Time), this is the number of accepted entries we have for each clan hall grade on each server:
There are currently 21 more submissions that have yet to be processed, and they must be processed before they can be listed as accepted. Remember, each server has 21 available A-Grade Clan Halls, 13 B-Grade Clan Halls, and 3 C-Grade Clan Halls.
The entry period will close on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific Time).
Sry Sace but i need to say its a big fail.
if u rly think its fair solution im shocked.
ncsoft forcing clans w/o money to buy adena or what??
because for some clans who are not top with rich mebers 3.5b for lower lvl clan is alot, and 5b is crazy price.
also requirements to obtain ch are funny also..u need to find 'American" kid who live in US to have chance for ch..
hey u know, on NA servers, are euro players also, and they playing and paying for YOUR game over 6 years.
sorry to say, but any decent clan with 90+ members can obtain 5 bill in probably 1 day, and it has nothing to do with e baying, it has to do with not being bad.
If you clan can kill tiat, you could have farmed much more than 5 bill by this point in time, and if they can't chances are you clan isn't high-end enough to warrant owning a CH in the first place. So the point is moot.
This process keeps the completely scrubby worthless clans full of players who like to play their 25 level 64 alt bountyhunters from taking a CH from the real players who actually explore endgame content. Bravo nc.
Today is the last day for submitting an entry for the Clan Hall Distribution. As of Monday, October 18, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. (Pacific Time), this is the number of accepted entries we have for each clan hall grade on each server:
There are currently 21 more submissions that have yet to be processed, and they must be processed before they can be listed as accepted. Remember, each server has 21 available A-Grade Clan Halls, 13 B-Grade Clan Halls, and 3 C-Grade Clan Halls.
The entry period will close on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific Time).
If a server runs out of the correct grade of CH, then NC should offer to award a lesser grade CH to the losers of the higher grade contest, and reimburse the difference of adena to the CWH. Assuming there are extra lower ones of course.
sorry to say, but any decent clan with 90+ members can obtain 5 bill in probably 1 day, and it has nothing to do with e baying, it has to do with not being bad.
If you clan can kill tiat, you could have farmed much more than 5 bill by this point in time, and if they can't chances are you clan isn't high-end enough to warrant owning a CH in the first place. So the point is moot.
This process keeps the completely scrubby worthless clans full of players who like to play their 25 level 64 alt bountyhunters from taking a CH from the real players who actually explore endgame content. Bravo nc.
And why are you under the impression i have a 15 member clan? I have a 120 member clan and merging several other small clans into mine also. Many of us are in dynasty and morira and working on saving for boss jewels that are locked down like Baium or AQ.
If we were told say a month ago yes we would have the 5 billion also. I would not of bought my by Icarus bow and crafted my moirira if we needed it for a clan hall i would of stuck with my +8 drac and dynasty armour.
Instead i spend almost 900 mil crafting gear and upgrading myself because i though I just needed what I paid originally for my clan hall to get a chance a new one.
Now 5 days notice... NO legit clan has 5 billion laying around takes time to raise that kind of money.
Perhaps you can take your 120 man clan and kill Tiat a few times then make up money for the bid?
It's not about you, it's about your ENTIRE clan, you're such a narcissist you don't even realize this isn't about you. Get your 120 member clan to donate 50m a pop and you'll be able to enter. If your clan members cannot sacrifice that much each, then your clan does not deserve a clan hall, simple. Clan hall's are for high end players, and as far as I can tell, that's not you or your clan. 76+ GS, Lmao. I Hope that signature is a joke.
There are currently 21 more submissions that have yet to be processed, and they must be processed before they can be listed as accepted. Remember, each server has 21 available A-Grade Clan Halls, 13 B-Grade Clan Halls, and 3 C-Grade Clan Halls.
The entry period will close on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific Time).
please make haste on those, i dont want to receive a mail at 11:58 pm with the text:
"sorry server Naio does not exist, we suppose its a typo, please enter a new submission before wednesday 11:59 p.m"
if you know what i mean.
so far i only received the usual automated message with text
"We received your support request. To add additional information, reply to this e-mail and include any new information between the green lines below." plus the repeated entry etc.
or does that mean this entry has already been accepted?
Perhaps you can take your 120 man clan and kill Tiat a few times then make up money for the bid?
It's not about you, it's about your ENTIRE clan, you're such a narcissist you don't even realize this isn't about you. Get your 120 member clan to donate 50m a pop and you'll be able to enter. If your clan members cannot sacrifice that much each, then your clan does not deserve a clan hall, simple. Clan hall's are for high end players, and as far as I can tell, that's not you or your clan. 76+ GS, Lmao. I Hope that signature is a joke.
And it seems your thinking also only for yourself. Remember everyone which meet the stated goals which NCsoft mentioned, they can sign up. And ye, also the lowers clan have a chance.
honestly ... this is absurd.. because even at say 10mil per week... the funding to keep your clan hall would suck the available players dry.... even at 1 mil a week, it's still a drain on supplies. Specially when current players are barely able to supplement themselves.
Reguardless of what you do, any form of "tax" that is daily/weekly/monthly base is a drain and i don't care how active or not people are or a clan is... there are slow periods of time..
Hardcore activity seems to be required for countless people to even be considered a factor at all, reguardless of their skills at other things. To much is the seperation of "Class" being played and thought to be a weighted value in deciding anything be it epics, clan halls, or generally get any kind of party.
Not to point the finger directly at anyone as to an extent we are all to blame.... the current player base is responcible for the distruction of the system, and further input in trying to narrow down whom should get what is becoming a terrible joke. Clans lvl 11 being able to come up with 5 bil in a snap.... give me a break.
Worse yet is server side economics and other issues making it IMPOSSIBLE to meet the requirements.... as i understand it barts and pheonix had basically overall the best economy of all 5 servers.... and many would say aria and sayha probably had the worst. Overall Values of items and availability made selling anything practically worthless or pointless, offered adena for things got to the point where they weren't even paying for the value of the s crystal it took to craft, which excluded the other mats, the enchants and the elements.
Mass deflation combined with slight inflation in hopes to curb the loss lead to a stagnant economy. And now with combined servers, there is a barely any demand for anything aside from the typical top choice stuff and even that's a slow go.
So who in the right mind should be able to dycpher whom should get what.
I know the clan i'm in, the leader, and ourselves have been working quite regularly, farming what we can farm and selling what we can sell, dumping resources into the clan in hopes to meet the bid requirements initially. This was happening WELL before clan merges were announced because the rumors floating about, i think the initial period where this started was basically a year ago.. so in the past year, taking into consideration the requirements and needs of the clan itself to continue to opperate, slowly the clan has been accumilating adena while paying out for the excisting requirements to keep what we had. The end result, we can't even get a c grade clan hall due to being above the requirement, but we can't get a B grade clan hall because we cannot afford it either. We don't forfill the needs, We couldn't even strip all our toons and sell it in time to get what we need for it. And i doubt even if we have a full month to try.. we'd still not be able to do it.. and what then? after we are all stripped down to nothing, get a clan hall to sit around and doing nothing because we have neither the gear nor the any ability to keep it?
It's a pathetic joke...
In respect to clan halls and lvls and such, no matter what kind of raised caps on bids and other garbage you throw at it, those whom should have a fighting chance at it.... will always be left without, and those very few, that while may or may not deserve it.. and lets be clear again, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT "security/caps/lvls" you put in for requirements, the bad guys are always going to have this covered and will win in one way.
Use a little logic in the way this is working, and you don't need to use much, and you can figure out or at least should be able to figure out how royally wrong it is how this is being delt with. This isn't an oppinion at this point, it's completely ilogical therefore wrong.
I am in absolute shock that a player at this stage in the game, a clan nonetheless, can be absolutely so terrible as to not be able to afford a 1 mill drain on a CLAN per WEEK? wth? O_o
Are you being serious or just joking?
IN spent the last 7 months on Sayha, and we were not the top clan, we were the 2nd clan, and we easily came up with 5 bill from our Sayha funds alone. Even if you remove all of our competitive epics (such as old frints, baium, aq) we still easily had the money to bid for a CH, we could probably bid for 2 or 3 if we really wanted to. How can a clan who is not endgame enough to farm things such as Tiat in the past (and Frint/Freya/zaken now) possibly expect to have a shot at a clan hall of which only 20 or so can be rewarded, when there will be dozens of clans which can meet such requirements? ******* and moaning about the requirements would be valid if NC didn't receive many bids, but from what I can see, for the A grade CH's (the only ones that matter) NC has received more bids than there are CH's, so their requirements were sound, or even too low.
And it seems your thinking also only for yourself. Remember everyone which meet the stated goals which NCsoft mentioned, they can sign up. And ye, also the lowers clan have a chance.
Nothing wrong with a 'lower clan' as you put it bidding on a clan hall, if they can come up with the money. NC's system for this actually isn't too bad. Though the region requirements is kind of unfair and the Canadian thing is just bizarre.
Nothing wrong with a 'lower clan' as you put it bidding on a clan hall, if they can come up with the money. NC's system for this actually isn't too bad. Though the region requirements is kind of unfair and the Canadian thing is just bizarre.
Nothing wrong with a 'lower clan' as you put it bidding on a clan hall, if they can come up with the money. NC's system for this actually isn't too bad. Though the region requirements is kind of unfair and the Canadian thing is just bizarre.
the Canadian thing is a loop hole... If you ask a mathmatical question its considered educational by Canada and you dont have to pay taxes. LOL leave it to a Canadian. HA HA
This low partisipation in clanhalls tells alot about the FEE Nc made.....
Not many want to pay 5.000.000.000 for a clanhall and ALOT cant.
So if u remove the clanhall fee that i asked you to earlier u have 1 more LEGIT clan for those stats.
i have to disagree on this one.
Serenity alliance all 3 clans are legit and all 3 clans made an entry (afaik).
and i mean why does it always have to be an a grade hall? go down to the 3.x billion and bid on B grade, as you see there are only 5 accepted from 13 yet, so the chance to win is extremely high.
PS: i would be very interested in the black statistics though, how many clans have been evaluated ineligable? :)
I wasn't aware that the United States Congress (or any State or Local legislative branches) have ever passed a law that states virtual property under the sole possession of a company cannot be given away at their complete discretion o.o
I mean, seriously. This contest is proof of what is wrong with the US, not just NCsoft. Too many lawyers.
We understand your team is still processing some apps. Can you help to complete processing all apps today?
My clan submitted our app last week and we still haven't received a reply. Our concern is we will receive a "denied" or "app not completed correctly" type of reply, and then wont have an opportunity to fix things before the deadline. If the apps were all processed today, we would have 1 day to fix things.
sorry to say, but any decent clan with 90+ members can obtain 5 bill in probably 1 day, and it has nothing to do with e baying, it has to do with not being bad.
If you clan can kill tiat, you could have farmed much more than 5 bill by this point in time, and if they can't chances are you clan isn't high-end enough to warrant owning a CH in the first place. So the point is moot.
This process keeps the completely scrubby worthless clans full of players who like to play their 25 level 64 alt bountyhunters from taking a CH from the real players who actually explore endgame content. Bravo nc.
Yea I was saying that when this thread started and got raged on hardcore for it lol.
We understand your team is still processing some apps. Can you help to complete processing all apps today?
My clan submitted our app last week and we still haven't received a reply. Our concern is we will receive a "denied" or "app not completed correctly" type of reply, and then wont have an opportunity to fix things before the deadline. If the apps were all processed today, we would have 1 day to fix things.
As always, thanks for your efforts!
I am not personally involved in processing the entries for this giveaway. The head GMs are working with Customer Service to receive, process, and reply to these entries. It's possible that your ticket from last week was not responded to yet because of the weekend. We will allow some time-leniency for small mistakes made in the entry itself. For example, if you misspell your home address, or do not provide a phone number, we will allow you to rectify these kinds of details after the deadline. What is most important is that your clan is fully eligible by the deadline time.
I am in absolute shock that a player at this stage in the game, a clan nonetheless, can be absolutely so terrible as to not be able to afford a 1 mill drain on a CLAN per WEEK? wth? O_o
Are you being serious or just joking?
IN spent the last 7 months on Sayha, and we were not the top clan, we were the 2nd clan, and we easily came up with 5 bill from our Sayha funds alone. Even if you remove all of our competitive epics (such as old frints, baium, aq) we still easily had the money to bid for a CH, we could probably bid for 2 or 3 if we really wanted to. How can a clan who is not endgame enough to farm things such as Tiat in the past (and Frint/Freya/zaken now) possibly expect to have a shot at a clan hall of which only 20 or so can be rewarded, when there will be dozens of clans which can meet such requirements? ******* and moaning about the requirements would be valid if NC didn't receive many bids, but from what I can see, for the A grade CH's (the only ones that matter) NC has received more bids than there are CH's, so their requirements were sound, or even too low.
terrible hey..
maybe you should read back and use your head a bit..
i've repeated myself using sound logic that so far no one has with a reasonable point of view that can be univerally considered as to the situation.
Even with your own quote above, you sound utterly rediculious... 5bil in 1 day.... without any epics...
I mean seriously, the fact that you figure removing epics out of the caculations is going to make it easier for other clans to come up with a solution. Are you nuts?
I dare.... yes dare.... a clan such as IN to lets say put together a party.. lets say for zaken to start.... where no one in the party has epics.. not a single one.. no one is above lvl 80-82, and no one has anything above 150 element, all armor is no higher then 60/60/60.
See how well you do since it's so incredibly easy. Now take that over to frint and tiat and etc.
I'm sure the death rate will be considerably higher.. the length of time to do it will be far longer, the easy button essentially will have disappeared, and lets also say that not a single player can be boxed, not one.... NONE.... Also lets add to the fact that even IN has had it's days and issues...
Quit being hypocritical... You make it all sound like even in IN or ANY other "top" or close to top clan that everything is a breeze.... 5bil is a days worth of hard work, antharas should be done in under 10 minutes.... We'll do things on a whim when REPEATEDLY this wasn't always the case.... specially when i know this for a fact.
I'm not at all stating in disrespect to the clan IN.. but you mentioned it... This isn't a terrible thing.. but it's a joke to yourself and you end up making yourself look rather rediculious stating an outright lie for the most part. And if you still insist you can do it, then sure yes..... i guess one way of doing it is to NPC whatever you can to raise 5bil.. that's a whole lot of good stuff.. valueable stuff to npc.. because last i checked, there wasn't a huge demand for mostly anything even after merges.
It's still luck based.... you have it you don't.. and sometimes your in between... some have more then others of any....
Use a little bit of grey matter, get proper perception of how everyone is effected, quit sitting on a high horse claiming your obvious dominance over everyone else simply because you may or may not have the clear advantage of being able to do these things more easily then others... which somehow in your mind means that everyone is a terrible/bad/useless/scub player/clan/alliance... This is your fallasy, nothing but a fantasy of your own making... and to judge if your opinion... but obviously doesn't make you right either.
maybe you should read back and use your head a bit..
i've repeated myself using sound logic that so far no one has with a reasonable point of view that can be univerally considered as to the situation.
Even with your own quote above, you sound utterly rediculious... 5bil in 1 day.... without any epics...
I mean seriously, the fact that you figure removing epics out of the caculations is going to make it easier for other clans to come up with a solution. Are you nuts?
I dare.... yes dare.... a clan such as IN to lets say put together a party.. lets say for zaken to start.... where no one in the party has epics.. not a single one.. no one is above lvl 80-82, and no one has anything above 150 element, all armor is no higher then 60/60/60.
See how well you do since it's so incredibly easy. Now take that over to frint and tiat and etc.
I'm sure the death rate will be considerably higher.. the length of time to do it will be far longer, the easy button essentially will have disappeared, and lets also say that not a single player can be boxed, not one.... NONE.... Also lets add to the fact that even IN has had it's days and issues...
Quit being hypocritical... You make it all sound like even in IN or ANY other "top" or close to top clan that everything is a breeze.... 5bil is a days worth of hard work, antharas should be done in under 10 minutes.... We'll do things on a whim when REPEATEDLY this wasn't always the case.... specially when i know this for a fact.
I'm not at all stating in disrespect to the clan IN.. but you mentioned it... This isn't a terrible thing.. but it's a joke to yourself and you end up making yourself look rather rediculious stating an outright lie for the most part. And if you still insist you can do it, then sure yes..... i guess one way of doing it is to NPC whatever you can to raise 5bil.. that's a whole lot of good stuff.. valueable stuff to npc.. because last i checked, there wasn't a huge demand for mostly anything even after merges.
It's still luck based.... you have it you don't.. and sometimes your in between... some have more then others of any....
Use a little bit of grey matter, get proper perception of how everyone is effected, quit sitting on a high horse claiming your obvious dominance over everyone else simply because you may or may not have the clear advantage of being able to do these things more easily then others... which somehow in your mind means that everyone is a terrible/bad/useless/scub player/clan/alliance... This is your fallasy, nothing but a fantasy of your own making... and to judge if your opinion... but obviously doesn't make you right either.
You see.. it under your logic that everything should be fair. This is really the age old argument of the haves and the have nots.
FH and I are saying for clans who in our minds deserve the A grade CHs, a 5bil entry fee is perfectly acceptable. Any dominate clan who deserves these CHs can afford it through the selling of clan raid drops.
You are saying that it isn't fair because there are large pve clans that aren't able to raise the entry fee, but you think they deserve them. Why do they deserve them? Because they have a large pve zerg that doesn't contribute to the political atmosphere of the server? Aren't able to kill instanced raids to add to the market? The only benefit from these large pve clans from a server perspective is they add to lag and help level noobs. Neither of which help the server politics and economics.
Not to complicate matters but I would guess that most clans have a preference as to which town they want their clan hall in. For example A grade halls exist in Giran, Goddard, Aden and Rune. If you randomly assign halls to each clan clearly there will be some clans with an Aden hall who wanted a Giran hall, and vice versa. They can't switch halls easily.
Is there any way the "winners" can indicate what their preference order of towns are? My clan's goal wasn't to receive an "A" grade hall, but to get a Rune hall. Others prefer the other towns for their own reasons.
A couple of players have asked if the winners can choose the town of the clan hall they receive. The answer to this is, unfortunately, no, the clan halls will be awarded randomly within each grade's winners.
However, we can assist if two clans mutually agree that they wish to swap clan halls of the same grade after the distribution is complete. This will be revisited later on, after the winners get their clan halls.
A couple of players have asked if the winners can choose the town of the clan hall they receive. The answer to this is, unfortunately, no, the clan halls will be awarded randomly within each grade's winners.
However, we can assist if two clans mutually agree that they wish to swap clan halls of the same grade after the distribution is complete. This will be revisited later on, after the winners get their clan halls.
Sace my dear, you should rank the clans according to worthiness.
Goddard >>> Rune >>> Aden >>> Giran typically in matter of importance. Then do the swapping. ;)
I am not personally involved in processing the entries for this giveaway. The head GMs are working with Customer Service to receive, process, and reply to these entries. It's possible that your ticket from last week was not responded to yet because of the weekend. We will allow some time-leniency for small mistakes made in the entry itself. For example, if you misspell your home address, or do not provide a phone number, we will allow you to rectify these kinds of details after the deadline. What is most important is that your clan is fully eligible by the deadline time.
uhm just to be sure: phone number was not mentioned/required in the guide to set up an entry.
but if we are able to correct such minor mistakes after the deadline. then fine anyway.
PS: i just noticed that the address i have set is my new address and the nc account has still my old address from which i moved away. i am just updating my nc account though.
PPS: no i am not ... "This site is temporarily unavailable due to scheduled maintenance.
Please check back again soon." :D
uhm just to be sure: phone number was not mentioned/required in the guide to set up an entry.
but if we are able to correct such minor mistakes after the deadline. then fine anyway.
PS: i just noticed that the address i have set is my new address and the nc account has still my old address from which i moved away. i am just updating my nc account though.
PPS: no i am not ... "This site is temporarily unavailable due to scheduled maintenance.
Please check back again soon." :D
I was wondering the same thing.. going to go and add the phone number....
Also maybe a stupid question... but how do we know if the submission was accepted?
You're quite right, no phone number is necessary in this giveaway. We often request a phone number for other contests as another method of contact, I must have gotten confused.
I was simply saying that the timestamp on your entry will count. As long as your clan is fully eligible at the time of the entry,and you will be given time to correct or provide any missing personal information.
When an entry is received, you will receive an automated response. When an entry is processed, the player will receive a response that states if it has been accepted or not (if not accept, the response will explain why).
You are saying that it isn't fair because there are large pve clans that aren't able to raise the entry fee, but you think they deserve them.
For starters... why is PVE mentioned in this at all? be it pvp or pve, or a combination of both is irrelivant.... As all clans reguardless of their current position of being pure pve, purve pvp or a combination of both are all equaly fairly deserving....
Why do you think only a pure pvp clan deserve..... why?
Why do they deserve them? Because they have a large pve zerg that doesn't contribute to the political atmosphere of the server? Aren't able to kill instanced raids to add to the market? The only benefit from these large pve clans from a server perspective is they add to lag and help level noobs. Neither of which help the server politics and economics.
Your perspective is both scewed and without any form of forsight... and yet again you speak to specifically and also ignore the fact that this is a total load of bs.
Honestly, even with my ability to see from multiple perspectives, i still cannot comprehend your frame of mind, it's like you think no one else anywhere on the server excists at all for anything, It's like if say lets call it 75% of the current population wasn't even there, that it wouldn't change a thing one way or another......
Today is the last day for submitting an entry for the Clan Hall Distribution. As of Monday, October 18, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. (Pacific Time), this is the number of accepted entries we have for each clan hall grade on each server:
There are currently 21 more submissions that have yet to be processed, and they must be processed before they can be listed as accepted. Remember, each server has 21 available A-Grade Clan Halls, 13 B-Grade Clan Halls, and 3 C-Grade Clan Halls.
The entry period will close on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific Time).
Looks like so far so good, however, making public the entries while there is still time to submit new ones is not fair in my opinion, for example on Chronos ppl may go now for C grade since nobody entered there. I was considering before it was announced that CHs will be distributed by GMs to go and bid for a C grade CH. After I read the rules, went for B grade since they are more, thinking many ppl wont have adena and go for C, however in Chronos's case looks like there is much more adena in circulation, their prices are much higher in many things compared to Naia and ppl submitted 0 bids for C grade halls...
Now more ppl will bid for C grade while ppl that already bid for B cannot change, or can they ?
I know that making the list public also makes many ppl that thought it is completely pointless to bid because will lose 15% when there are so many bidders, will revise their attitude and rush to bid.
Besides, you are wrong, message was posted in 19th, which is not the last day to submit entries, but 20 and in Europe that also means a big part of 21.
M
PS This is one aspect where I was surprised, it is a clear break from the "business as usual" and whoever did this has nice thinking, I couldnt have designed a better way to give away CHs. Congratulations.
You are saying that it isn't fair because there are large pve clans that aren't able to raise the entry fee, but you think they deserve them. Why do they deserve them? Because they have a large pve zerg that doesn't contribute to the political atmosphere of the server? Aren't able to kill instanced raids to add to the market? The only benefit from these large pve clans from a server perspective is they add to lag and help level noobs. Neither of which help the server politics and economics.
Wow!
and how many of us 3rd class citizens do you think needs to disappear before they pull the plug entirely on the game. i'd be curious to know if L2 would even exist for the last 2 years if it was just "you deserving people"
How's THAT for server economics...WE keep the server open
You're quite right, no phone number is necessary in this giveaway. We often request a phone number for other contests as another method of contact, I must have gotten confused.
I was simply saying that the timestamp on your entry will count. As long as your clan is fully eligible at the time of the entry,and you will be given time to correct or provide any missing personal information.
When an entry is received, you will receive an automated response. When an entry is processed, the player will receive a response that states if it has been accepted or not (if not accept, the response will explain why).
Thank you for clearing that up - I still added my phone number to the "ticket" just in case.
Wow!
and how many of us 3rd class citizens do you think needs to disappear before they pull the plug entirely on the game. i'd be curious to know if L2 would even exist for the last 2 years if it was just "you deserving people"
How's THAT for server economics...WE keep the server open
Yes, I have heard many times that bots keep the economics of the server going, that they should be the only ones accessing endgame content (and to some point they managed to push through such things with the level 78 nerf and the special botting areas with non-social, non-aggro 80+ mobs), but the first part is false (perhaps true for the RMT economics only) and the second is not only injust, but insulting.
We, the 3rd class "citizens" are the ones that supply them with mats (our clan sells mats since there is no point in crafting when you can buy below the price of mats and also skip the 40% chance of failure), buy their old gear when new "endgame" content appears, supply them with KE for talismans and whatnot, giant codexes, whatever needs farming in hard conditions for scripters, we also provide them entertainment (what bot will play if there are only other cheaters to fight and slim to none chances to beat the top ones ?), we pay taxes for their castles, etc.
That is for the economics part.
Regarding political part, yeah, only major bot clans participate in server politics, but if we would have a "conflict of the orders" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_the_Orders ) and all legits go who would they "pwn" and "rule" ? PK afk ppl ? How fun could be that ?
We have no issues with them holding all castles, forts, contestable clan halls, whatever, having S84 gear, doing all epic raids, whatever, but I think that is enough. There has to be drawn a line somewhere, they cant expect all legits to walk around in low b grade just because they dont have castles and PvP with them...
M
A-grade Clan Hall: 5,000,000,000 Adena //// 21 winners per server will receive
4 Clan Halls in Schuttgart
7 Clan Halls in Rune Township
4 Clan Halls in Goddard
6 Clan Halls in Aden
B-grade Clan Hall: 3,500,000,000 Adena //// 13 winners per server will receive
5 Clan Halls in Giran
3 Clan Halls in Dion
5 Clan Halls in Gludin
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena //// 3 winners per server will receive
4 Clan Halls in Gludio (1 is kept by NC for a reason not yet given.)
I am pretty sure it is like this.
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena //// 3 winners per server will receive
4 Clan Halls in Gludio (1 is kept by NC for a reason not yet given.)
I am pretty sure you are wrong.
A-grade Clan Hall: 5,000,000,000 Adena //// 22? winners per server will receive
5 Clan Halls in Giran
7 Clan Halls in Rune Township
4 Clan Halls in Goddard
6 Clan Halls in Aden
B-grade Clan Hall: 3,500,000,000 Adena //// 13 winners per server will receive
4 Clan Halls in Schuttgart
4 Clan Halls in Gludio
5 Clan Halls in Gludin
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena //// 3 winners per server will receive
3 Clan Halls in Dion
Clan halls are available in the Town of Dion (C Grade), Town of Gludio, Gludin Village, and Town of Schuttgart (B Grade), and Town of Giran, Town of Aden, Town of Goddard, and Rune Township (A Grade).
You could be right N e g r o (lol your name gets censored) if you assume they will keep an A-grade Clan Hall for a possible "giveaway" contest or "picking a random winner from the losers" prize. (which is the only reason I can think of for them keeping 1) But I would have guessed they would keep C grade one they would keep for it.
This low partisipation in clanhalls tells alot about the FEE Nc made.....
Not many want to pay 5.000.000.000 for a clanhall and ALOT cant.
So if u remove the clanhall fee that i asked you to earlier u have 1 more LEGIT clan for those stats.
Every legit clan with 30+ members is able make 3bils to 5bil prize for clan hall (last 2bil was from last clan hall auction). Be serious and dont cry pls.
1. Once 'draw' done will entrants be notified (by email I'm guessing) if they missed out, or only if successful?
2. Also is the date of the 'drawing' still around 26th October or is it later than that (I know some dates didnt get updated with the 1 week extension)
For starters... why is PVE mentioned in this at all? be it pvp or pve, or a combination of both is irrelivant.... As all clans reguardless of their current position of being pure pve, purve pvp or a combination of both are all equaly fairly deserving....
Why do you think only a pure pvp clan deserve..... why?
Your perspective is both scewed and without any form of forsight... and yet again you speak to specifically and also ignore the fact that this is a total load of bs.
Honestly, even with my ability to see from multiple perspectives, i still cannot comprehend your frame of mind, it's like you think no one else anywhere on the server excists at all for anything, It's like if say lets call it 75% of the current population wasn't even there, that it wouldn't change a thing one way or another......
pvp clans tend to have more money because they are willing to do what it takes to kick people out of things/places and take them for themselves.
In my post above, when I said if you remove competative epics, I meant that if we didn't sell epics, but if we just sold normal raid (Tiat, Freya, Frint, etc) drops. Raising 5 bill is very easy.
Who in this game doesn't have 50 mill? or can't get it in less than a days notice? Nobody in a high-end clan anyways. That's why I said it's easy to raise 5 bill in 1 day. Not that you could realistically sell things on the market and raise the liquid adena in 1 day. It has to be mostly preexisting.
Don't blame others for your lack of preparation, all of the smart clans prepared for this, and they prepared well more than 2 bill, because it was obvious it would be higher, or there would be far too many entries. If you ask me, NC made the cost too low.
Fort those of you who wrote posts about encouraging ebaying, etc, if you ask me, it only encourages bad clans to ebay, because good clans have no problem raising the money quickly.
just want to make one thing straight ... there is nothing like "pure PvP clan" and I will quote now "To be top PvP clan, you need to be top PvE too" ... that means PvP clans are usually better at PvE then "pure PvE clans"
just want to make one thing straight ... there is nothing like "pure PvP clan" and I will quote now "To be top PvP clan, you need to be top PvE too" ... that means PvP clans are usually better at PvE then "pure PvE clans"
Or maybe becouse your toons, specialy from some nova hardcore ppl, have own lives and can hit the mobs alone :D
im dumb only after the fact did i read this in terms and conditions :
"The winning entries will be drawn at random by representatives of the Sponsor. "
so assuming u can fill out a form and have the adena its not really that different from past auction methods.
Im possibly not the only one that read about clan halls and (mistakenly i suspect) thought nc soft were gonna look at who applied n decide who got them.
Weirdly that one word "random" makes it all sound fairer. If somewhere it had said drawn at random from those that apply u might have got a few more ppl trying :-)
Every legit clan with 30+ members is able make 3bils to 5bil prize for clan hall (last 2bil was from last clan hall auction). Be serious and dont cry pls.
Yeah, I agree it should be possible, you dont even need 30+ ppl, and even easier on Chronos where there is about twice as much adena in circulation per player than in Naia. In Naia wasnt easy, but doable, which is the point in all this thing, make it not so easy, make a penalty for trying, vet out some cheaters, draw at random so the automated bidders dont count, so it is as fair as it could be. I think they did a nice job overall, totally unexpected for me based on past (in)actions.
M
LF results, or at least final numbers of accepted entries.
Tyvm :-)
Anyway we tried Bgrade clan hall on Chronos. And numbers yesterday intruduce very surprised me - i expect much higher numbers (it was why we tried Bgrade, and not Agrade...)
Also still waiting on clarification what happens if e.g. there are too many entries for A grade clan halls, but there are still free B grade clan halls.
This seems to happen e.g. on Chronos server (as posted above, so far 6 bidders on 13 available B grade clan halls).
Will the free B grade clan halls go to the standard auctioneer for everybody to bid on, or will they go to those clans who were unlucky and got no A grade clan hall?
Also still waiting on clarification what happens if e.g. there are too many entries for A grade clan halls, but there are still free B grade clan halls.
This seems to happen e.g. on Chronos server (as posted above, so far 6 bidders on 13 available B grade clan halls).
Will the free B grade clan halls go to the standard auctioneer for everybody to bid on, or will they go to those clans who were unlucky and got no A grade clan hall?
that why they reserved one free CH in gludin the first clan under line for A CH will get CH in gludin =)
Also still waiting on clarification what happens if e.g. there are too many entries for A grade clan halls, but there are still free B grade clan halls.
This seems to happen e.g. on Chronos server (as posted above, so far 6 bidders on 13 available B grade clan halls).
Will the free B grade clan halls go to the standard auctioneer for everybody to bid on, or will they go to those clans who were unlucky and got no A grade clan hall?
You dont have to worry, i am sure all will find owners, many ppl submitted entry when they saw they have a chance after the post 2 days ago. I am sure there will be no CH remaining after handout. You must also remember there were still 21 (twenty-one) entries not yet processed and those were submitted before the partial lists were displayed.
I think there will be at least 2 contestants for every ch at the very minimum, no worry...
M
Anybody know until which time will be decided about new owners? I can't find any date, and siegeable CH are today/tommorrow in Chronos..
Contestable clan halls will not interfere with you getting a clan hall.. SOMEWHERE sace mentioned that they would give it to you after the seigeable time was up. You are welcome to look it up to quote it, I'm waaaaay too lazy.
Contestable clan halls will not interfere with you getting a clan hall.. SOMEWHERE sace mentioned that they would give it to you after the seigeable time was up. You are welcome to look it up to quote it, I'm waaaaay too lazy.
I know - but when "auction" will be done, clans with siegeable CH lost them, so it will be good opportunity have it. And still I hope we dont need it and win one Bgrade..
I know - but when "auction" will be done, clans with siegeable CH lost them, so it will be good opportunity have it. And still I hope we dont need it and win one Bgrade..
So I just want know WHEN will be loterry for CH.
They already stated the results will be released around the 26th of October....
NVM.... I found the answer... it was in the rules.
The winning entries will be drawn at random by representatives of the Sponsor. Winners will be notified via e-mail and announced on the Lineage II web site on or about October 26, 2010. Any and all decisions of the Sponsor, shall be final and binding in all respects.
Today is the last day for submitting an entry for the Clan Hall Distribution. As of Monday, October 18, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. (Pacific Time), this is the number of accepted entries we have for each clan hall grade on each server:
There are currently 21 more submissions that have yet to be processed, and they must be processed before they can be listed as accepted. Remember, each server has 21 available A-Grade Clan Halls, 13 B-Grade Clan Halls, and 3 C-Grade Clan Halls.
The entry period will close on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific Time).
Im sorry if you posted this somwehre, but WHEN the results will come out?
I know - but when "auction" will be done, clans with siegeable CH lost them, so it will be good opportunity have it. And still I hope we dont need it and win one Bgrade..
So I just want know WHEN will be loterry for CH.
It will be on 26th, but contestable clan halls will be released if you happen to win auction CH. So go ahead and take them, it is fun anyway.
M
As I understand amount of clans request CH for each server was about 40-50. And NC need 1 week (or maybe more) to execute their hidden formula for 100 max clans from both server and then launch random? Maybe NC have weak PC and it can be a reason for mass-pvp lags?)))
Or NC wait clans to make hidden offers (over 2,5/3,5/5b) to receive better CH or just more luck in random?
Or NC wait clans to make hidden offers (over 2,5/3,5/5b) to receive better CH or just more luck in random?
Hehe, while I see where that came from, lets not be paranoid. IF NCsoft woul dbe selling adena/items, whatever, they dont need to buy first from players, they can create anything they want. I read stories about adena collected on CH bids and sale going to the RMT market, this is just BS, they can make all adena they want if that was the case, and not only adena.
There are issues with the hidden criteria and how random will be the random, but overall they handled this MUCH better than I was expecting them to.
The process looks pretty fair and if we dont get CH wont be a problem, with this method had more chances anyway than facing automated bidders or by distribution to top bot clans based on "activity" only.
Unlike what ppl claimed here, having a CH is not necessary to be competitive, there are forts, castles, contestable CHs for bots, the fact that legits have a fair chance should not be considered as a setback for bots, if they cant take fort or castle, why on earth were they botting in the first place ? Join a clan with castle and all problems gone, if they are not aqccepted yet should only AFK a few more levels, done.
M
I dont know, maybe it depends of county. But from my expirience that in any random if you pay for organization that provide this random - you can get more "luck".
I dont have any evidence of this, but I dont understand why it takes to much time?
The clan names of participants will remain confidential until the winners list is posted. Here are the final numbers of how many clans are bidding for what type of clan hall:
Chronos
A-grade: 28
B-grade: 12
C-grade: 1
Naia
A-grade: 26
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 2
As you know, the winners list will be posted around October 26.
The clan names of participants will remain confidential until the winners list is posted. Here are the final numbers of how many clans are bidding for what type of clan hall:
Chronos
A-grade: 28
B-grade: 12
C-grade: 1
Naia
A-grade: 26
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 2
As you know, the winners list will be posted around October 26.
So Naia has 37 applicants and 37 CH's which means worst case scenario if you applied for an A gr CH you may get a B one but will get a CH nonetheless.
Chronos has more of an issue because there are 40 applicants and 37 CH's so there will be 3 clans who will be left out (and will loose part of the entry fee) but there will be also an issue with other 3 clans who may not get the CH grade they applied for.
Does not look all that bad.... There will be rivers of tears from those 3 clans left out, but also from the 6 that will not get they grade they applied for.
The clan names of participants will remain confidential until the winners list is posted. Here are the final numbers of how many clans are bidding for what type of clan hall:
Chronos
A-grade: 28
B-grade: 12
C-grade: 1
Naia
A-grade: 26
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 2
As you know, the winners list will be posted around October 26.
Sace for NAIA: Give 4 B grade clanhalls to 4 clans that won't succeed for A , and all bidders are happy! End
This way you secure that none of CH goes to an ALT clan through Auction.
Please consider these and make all people happy!
Does not look all that bad.... There will be rivers of tears from those 3 clans left out, but also from the 6 that will not get they grade they applied for.
IF they do it that way (that you get a lower grade ch if you cannot get one of the grade you bid on). We still do not know that. Could still be that leftover lower grade clan halls go to the normal auctioneer for everybody to bid on.
IF they do it that way (that you get a lower grade ch if you cannot get one of the grade you bid on). We still do not know that. Could still be that leftover lower grade clan halls go to the normal auctioneer for everybody to bid on.
Correct, I would think that any reasonable process would work out that way, but you are right we don't know. Come to think of it, if a clan applied to an A grade CH and gets a B grade one, knowing our community there will also be emorage from those clans
The clan names of participants will remain confidential until the winners list is posted. Here are the final numbers of how many clans are bidding for what type of clan hall:
Chronos
A-grade: 28
B-grade: 12
C-grade: 1
Naia
A-grade: 26
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 2
As you know, the winners list will be posted around October 26.
"Around Oct 26" - cool, but is it the right side or left side of Oct 26th? (ya know, on the calendar) and how far on the correct side? :rolleyes: haha
Correct, I would think that any reasonable process would work out that way, but you are right we don't know. Come to think of it, if a clan applied to an A grade CH and gets a B grade one, knowing our community there will also be emorage from those clans
or not.... I think those clans would be very happy to get a clan hall either way.
Ye i also think that those that dont get an A-grade on Naia should get a B-grade, but remember to give back the adena that "are in btw" which is 1,5 billions. thats most fair imo.
So Naia has 37 applicants and 37 CH's which means worst case scenario if you applied for an A gr CH you may get a B one but will get a CH nonetheless.
Chronos has more of an issue because there are 40 applicants and 37 CH's so there will be 3 clans who will be left out (and will loose part of the entry fee) but there will be also an issue with other 3 clans who may not get the CH grade they applied for.
Does not look all that bad.... There will be rivers of tears from those 3 clans left out, but also from the 6 that will not get they grade they applied for.
I do not think people who bid for agrade clans should be downgraded to Bgrade and knock people out who bid for bgrade only clan halls.
They bid for agrade and lost that was the gamble. Money returned to to them -15% sorry charlie better luck next time.
Gratz on the clan with 1 bid for C grade clan hall @Chronos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chronos has a much higher adena supply than Naia, therefore ppl went for B grade, however, I must admit I was completely wrong when I thought the applications will flow like crazy after numbers were announced.
I KNOW for a fact many bots have been turned down, however, I am curious how many clans have been rejected and why. Anonymous statistics, because cheaters identity must remain hidden, ya know...
Good job ppl, this is the reality of the game, sad but true, even I think it is worse than that.
M
I do not think people who bid for agrade clans should be downgraded to Bgrade and knock people out who bid for bgrade only clan halls.
They bid for agrade and lost that was the gamble. Money returned to to them -15% sorry charlie better luck next time.
Knock clans out who bid on B grade, definitely not. But maybe take a B grade hall which is free (if there are less people bidding on B grade than there are clan halls).
Knock clans out who bid on B grade, definitely not. But maybe take a B grade hall which is free (if there are less people bidding on B grade than there are clan halls).
Or have the option to take a remaining hall left over after the clans who entered in each section are chosen.
Not everyone WANTS a c grade hall (if there are no b grade ones or a grade ones left) so an option should perhaps be put forth to the non-winners of the appropriate category in a random order or something for the leftovers. (if there is any)