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well done ,good job sace
When are you going to give clan halls at clans?
This topic is staying open for now because players are welcome to give constructive and even-toned feedback regarding the concept of the Clan Hall Distribution, as it is something that has never been done before.
OK, I will oblige, here are my 2 cents:
1. This should be an ongoing process with treshold where a clan can no longer hold a CH. Like minimum 10 paying accounts, unique to that CH and not shared with other clans. Just an example.
2. The process went good overall, MUCH better than I personally expected (i.e. see statistics of how many hours in total ppl in the clan played last month and distribute CH to the top scorers) In reality was much better and I know some cheaters that got the finger for this. However it was not good enough as some bot and alt clans made it through.
3. I appreciate the efforts put into this. It wasnt perfect, but we saw GMs do something all ppl wanted one way or the other, supervise this process a bit.
4. I still think AUCTION CHs whould decide ownership in an AUCTION, this means remove artificial barriers for bidding and it will be very simple. CHs will be owned by ppl that can afford them, EVENTUALLY with some toher criteria, like minimal activity level and maximal cheating level.
That's about the most important stuff i wanted to share with you. All my posts in this issue can be summarized like that.
Thank you for your attention.
M
P.S. Why you want to learn more about this process which was a one off process ? The next merger is already in the cards ? So soon ?
P.S. Why you want to learn more about this process which was a one off process ? The next merger is already in the cards ? So soon ?
Good heavens, we're certainly not planning another merge. :) This information is important to us because its an instance of the production team personally stepping into an otherwise automatic game mechanism. The feedback helps us see our personal intervention helps players more than hinders them, or not.
Any further insults and arguing about RedSky, banned leaders, and why whatever clan didn't randomly win a clan hall will be removed. Also, blatant insults to NCsoft and staff members will be infracted and removed. Twenty pages of flames is quite enough.
Flames and opinions are completely different things. Seems as though anytime someone posts something negative towards NC its a flame.
Good heavens, we're certainly not planning another merge. :) This information is important to us because its an instance of the production team personally stepping into an otherwise automatic game mechanism. The feedback helps us see our personal intervention helps players more than hinders them, or not.
The automated game system was designed for a freshly starting server and not for a server merge where there was lots of money to spend and people using third party software to use the Clan Halls for personal gain. Personal intervention from NCWest was needed and is greatly appreciated by all top clans.
The only thing people are bummed out about is the misscommunication from NCWest, when there were 2 theory's being spreaded.
1. That the clans would be chosen on secret criteria.
2. That the clans would be chosen randomly.
We could only hope they stick with the one which would benefit your clan the most, or which would be the most fair. In this case people found theory 1 the best solution.
Your learning experience from this process should be to improve your communication skills (which you usually lack in).
1. Inside your company; stand together as one, don't let different theory's spread because 1 CM says something different then the other.
2. To your community; the community doesnt like to be kept in the dark and appreciates any or all information they can get. A simple message as the one from Cryo about the GM event, makes it clear to people what is going on and what they can expect.
Good heavens, we're certainly not planning another merge. :) This information is important to us because its an instance of the production team personally stepping into an otherwise automatic game mechanism. The feedback helps us see our personal intervention helps players more than hinders them, or not.
Well heaven for bid .... the production team do something than automate there job. Really....
I feel any clans interested in a clan hall should have all thier clan leaders meet in person and be put through a dance off using different styles incorporating salsa, breaking and electric boogaloo...
The winners in order of the dance competition should then select which clan hall they want.
That is after the criteria has been met clan lvl members etc
I feel any clans interested in a clan hall should have all thier clan leaders meet in person and be put through a dance off using different styles incorporating salsa, breaking and electric boogaloo...
The winners in order of the dance competition should then select which clan hall they want.
That is after the criteria has been met clan lvl members etc
The Lineage II team impartially reviews the status of all clans that enter the giveaway, applying the same evaluation formula to all participating clans. (We will not disclose the specific formula to avoid potential criteria manipulation.)This was the first step. Similar to this:
Yeah, I think they evaluate clans according to their "hidden criteria" and then give those clans which score higher a better chance during the lottery.
I feel any clans interested in a clan hall should have all thier clan leaders meet in person and be put through a dance off using different styles incorporating salsa, breaking and electric boogaloo...
The winners in order of the dance competition should then select which clan hall they want.
That is after the criteria has been met clan lvl members etc
So your criterias shoulde be more wide and specific, including activity on main game events (sieges/TW), daily activity, activity on Olympiad, previous ownership of CHs, time of clan exist, politic situation servers, etc, etc, etc...
From now on, i see only some of these criterias - level of clan, number of members (even if half of them - dead souls - twinks) and 5b in CWH. This is how it looks like observing the current distribution.
Good heavens, we're certainly not planning another merge. :) This information is important to us because its an instance of the production team personally stepping into an otherwise automatic game mechanism. The feedback helps us see our personal intervention helps players more than hinders them, or not.
Overall I dont agree with interventions, as you can see it gets messy, in this case removing bid limit would have solved the issue in my view together with reimbursing old owners of CHs.
Prices would have gone up to about 10-15 bn max, not impossibly high, and the bidders could have been, eventually, vetted, like ban CL of the bot clans for the day of auction, for example if you wanted to add some extra fairness.
But, as I said, it was better handled that I expected and perhaps many other ppl which came to expect very little help or even plain hostility from the staff.
M
The main issue with the "hidden" criteria is that:
1. no one knows what this criteria is
2. it is widely accepted and seen by numerous people/factions/clans on Naia that a few of the clans on that list are indeed "alt" clans that either mass invited people to get their numbers up and/or signed a bunch of alt characters to get the numbers up. this in result will leave the clan hall inactive for a few months until they try to resell it for a profit, which is exactly what ncsoft was trying to prevent with intervening with the distribution in the first place.
Since none of us know the hidden criteria, it is really hard to analyze on the players end if all of the clan halls were given away fairly. at the moment, it does not appear to the playerbase that they were.
would it be possible to publicly state the criteria ncsoft followed to approve clan hall applications? It wasn't stated initially due to people trying to stack the odds in their favor, but now all the damage is done, so what harm could come of it?
Sace can you tell some further info of how trade between winners is possible?
Regards..
Limo, Franz Server.
you thinking about give toxic clan hall into redsky kseplenides clan? for me is no good cause from what i know this redsky clan 1st have clan with alt clan (redstorm) 2nd have so much power that can buy whatever clan hall they need so no need to give your ch for me :cool:
The main issue with the "hidden" criteria is that:
1. no one knows what this criteria is
2. it is widely accepted and seen by numerous people/factions/clans on Naia that a few of the clans on that list are indeed "alt" clans that either mass invited people to get their numbers up and/or signed a bunch of alt characters to get the numbers up. this in result will leave the clan hall inactive for a few months until they try to resell it for a profit, which is exactly what ncsoft was trying to prevent with intervening with the distribution in the first place.
Since none of us know the hidden criteria, it is really hard to analyze on the players end if all of the clan halls were given away fairly. at the moment, it does not appear to the playerbase that they were.
would it be possible to publicly state the criteria ncsoft followed to approve clan hall applications? It wasn't stated initially due to people trying to stack the odds in their favor, but now all the damage is done, so what harm could come of it?
Would indeed be interesting what they looked at, but from all I have read so far it went like this:
a.) every clan sending their application in must be clan lvl x / have y members and z billion adena, as in the rules. Yes, this allows alt clans which are filled up to participate. It only prevents low lvl alt clans / clans with 15 members from participating.
b.) hidden criteria is evaluated. This makes it so that "top" clans have a higher chance of winning. It still does not prevent alt clans from winning, they just have a lower chance of being randomly drawn (as in "every clan has its name thrown into a hat from which winners are drawn, but top clans have their name three times in the hat")
c.) winners are drawn randomly. alt clans STILL can win, it's just not as likely as a top clan winning
What people do not seem to "get" is that the hidden criteria does not EXCLUDE clans from winning. All a clan had to do in order to get a chance at winning was to be clan lvl x with y members, depending on clan hall grade, plus have the necessary adena in clan wh.
you thinking about give toxic clan hall into redsky kseplenides clan? for me is no good cause from what i know this redsky clan 1st have clan with alt clan (redstorm) 2nd have so much power that can buy whatever clan hall they need so no need to give your ch for me :cool:
The main issue with the "hidden" criteria is that:
1. no one knows what this criteria is
2. it is widely accepted and seen by numerous people/factions/clans on Naia that a few of the clans on that list are indeed "alt" clans that either mass invited people to get their numbers up and/or signed a bunch of alt characters to get the numbers up. this in result will leave the clan hall inactive for a few months until they try to resell it for a profit, which is exactly what ncsoft was trying to prevent with intervening with the distribution in the first place.
Since none of us know the hidden criteria, it is really hard to analyze on the players end if all of the clan halls were given away fairly. at the moment, it does not appear to the playerbase that they were.
would it be possible to publicly state the criteria ncsoft followed to approve clan hall applications? It wasn't stated initially due to people trying to stack the odds in their favor, but now all the damage is done, so what harm could come of it?
so we dont know which applications were not accepted and/or on what grounds i read it all as :
u apply we accept or not (might be some reason we dont accept u that we arent atm gonna tell u about)
once ur application is accepted its random names in a hat or on a dart whatever.
the one thing that shines out in this thread is the amount of ppl that only have an opinion because things didnt go there own way - ****e happens get over it already - where did anyone ever get the idea that l2 is fair ?
I still would like to know why u leave 3 of the best B-grade for Agrade bidders?
The clans that applied for B-grade was pretty much hopeing for the good ones, but u took that away from us. What would have happend if there was 37 clans applieing for Agrade? would the 16+ clans get the B-grade halls and the ones applying for B get the Cgrade and the ones that went for C nothing?
Instead of making more ppl happy about getting the chance of those halls u upseat more people. All of us that applied for B, i mean the ones that did not get A-grade i probably upset for it, and getting the best B-grade doenst help that much.
If the best B would have gotten to the B appliers i wouldnt have said anything, then i would have said, oh ok, we got bad luck, but now we werent even up for those halls.
Really dissapointing in my point of view and probably some other clans too.
because a clan hall is an easy regroup, buff and report out to pvp again.
why do carebear non-factors need clan halls? to xp better?
Honestly there really aren't PvE-only clans... even the most timid L2 player must sometimes defend their hunting spot or participate in something that is PvP in order to advance. (raid bosses, castles, forts, territory wars, etc.)
There ARE PvP-only clans... but those people don't PvE (much) because they don't have to... most don't even know where raid bosses other than epic-dropping ones are...
There really isn't a division between PvE and PvP... its about people who want to play the game within the rules, and people who can't.
Let's ask the queston the other way around... why do PvP-only clans need clanhalls?
-You can regroup in town
-You don't need clanhall buffs
-You don't care about the price of ports, as your adena is effectively unlimited
-You don't need resses.. your XP is effectively unlimited
-You don't need BSoEs.
-You don't need a social spot to meet... most of you aren't real people anyways.
-Clanhalls will not change the outcome of any battle those clans would participate in.
-If such a clan took a PvP clanhall, they aren' going to lose their clanhall ever unless they horrendously screw up.
Really, truly, if you want PvP... why not take a PvP clanhall and battle it out as often as possible?
We both know the truth... its because you don't want PvP... you want to win at any cost, as easily as possible.
Just something I don't get from the Naia distribution: As far as everyone I asked knows, xAKIMx (the clan leader of lnquisition) is from Russia, and legal problems prevented people from this country from participating. Why then did lnquisition get a CH? Anyone knows any details which would allow him to participate anyway?
Just something I don't get from the Naia distribution: As far as everyone I asked knows, xAKIMx (the clan leader of lnquisition) is from Russia, and legal problems prevented people from this country from participating. Why then did lnquisition get a CH? Anyone knows any details which would allow him to participate anyway?
The Clan Leader or Representative condition allowed clan leaders from non-eligible countries to elect a clan representative that was eligible. Both of these people had to send in separate tickets, vouching for each other.
Honestly there really aren't PvE-only clans... even the most timid L2 player must sometimes defend their hunting spot or participate in something that is PvP in order to advance. (raid bosses, castles, forts, territory wars, etc.)
There ARE PvP-only clans... but those people don't PvE (much) because they don't have to... most don't even know where raid bosses other than epic-dropping ones are...
There really isn't a division between PvE and PvP... its about people who want to play the game within the rules, and people who can't.
Let's ask the queston the other way around... why do PvP-only clans need clanhalls?
-You can regroup in town
-You don't need clanhall buffs
-You don't care about the price of ports, as your adena is effectively unlimited
-You don't need resses.. your XP is effectively unlimited
-You don't need BSoEs.
-You don't need a social spot to meet... most of you aren't real people anyways.
-Clanhalls will not change the outcome of any battle those clans would participate in.
-If such a clan took a PvP clanhall, they aren' going to lose their clanhall ever unless they horrendously screw up.
Really, truly, if you want PvP... why not take a PvP clanhall and battle it out as often as possible?
We both know the truth... its because you don't want PvP... you want to win at any cost, as easily as possible.
since Sace said this thread can no longer go into bot accusations, flames, etc. which your post is borderline on, i will just say that you do not understand what a pvp clan is, because pvp-only clans dont exist either, and your view of what the characters are like in them is extremely flawed.
Honestly there really aren't PvE-only clans... even the most timid L2 player must sometimes defend their hunting spot or participate in something that is PvP in order to advance. (raid bosses, castles, forts, territory wars, etc.)
There ARE PvP-only clans... but those people don't PvE (much) because they don't have to... most don't even know where raid bosses other than epic-dropping ones are...
There really isn't a division between PvE and PvP... its about people who want to play the game within the rules, and people who can't.
Let's ask the queston the other way around... why do PvP-only clans need clanhalls?
-You can regroup in town - CH make for faster regroups in that town, very good for fast taking castle in same town, why u think hazard/sh owned rune castle ofr so long?
-You don't need clanhall buffs - when we had Aden CH, MANY people using CH buff and port to near areas for xp, 40-75 so fast on aden CH buff with xp spots, same reason any other clan uses them
-You don't care about the price of ports, as your adena is effectively unlimited - our adena is not unlimited, adena in big clans has always been more than lower clans, but cheap ports since c1 plays a big part
-You don't need resses.. your XP is effectively unlimited - seems ur char isnt high lvl and been in the wars like big clans x/sh, i remember xp IT/HB 5min xp, 15min pvp, rebuff start again, good old days - also u try keep XP @ good % on 84/85 with war tags in 90% high lvl spots
-You don't need BSoEs. - er? we use them for same reason pk from untag, 8v3 = bsoe, bsoe to safe area(CH) if go red on untag enemy/bots
-You don't need a social spot to meet... most of you aren't real people anyways. - good one - Remember there is a person behind every char (c) NCSoft
-Clanhalls will not change the outcome of any battle those clans would participate in. - sure about that? Hazard/SH control rune with 2min regroups CH > port to north gate > kill X
-If such a clan took a PvP clanhall, they aren' going to lose their clanhall ever unless they horrendously screw up. - well depends on the seigeable Clan hall used, as they have different ways to defend, devastated castle 150X vs 200SH for example, VERY high chance SH would win
Really, truly, if you want PvP... why not take a PvP clanhall and battle it out as often as possible?
We both know the truth... its because you don't want PvP... you want to win at any cost, as easily as possible.
if we wanted it so easy, why when X war ALL clans on teon, only SH/hazard/DH/FR return war, did we pm neutrals and ask plz dont return war it will be to much for us?
i think even my enemys like hyperlite will back this post
oh and btw our "PVP" clans PVE 4x more than others so that we have XP to lose in the pvp
I wonder how hard it would be to change the code so that clan halls would become Alliance Halls. But now that I think about it I guess it would be to hard to manage with an alliance, so many variables that could happen.
On the other side would be nice to have an option in clan hall management to allow alliance members to use the clan hall.
I wonder how hard it would be to change the code so that clan halls would become Alliance Halls. But now that I think about it I guess it would be to hard to manage with an alliance, so many variables that could happen.
1st : why dont get the clans with the most heros/castles NOT a good clan hall if they bid for it...its look like no one from the NCSoft team know nothing whats happend in HIS game (im not in a big clan with heroes and castles btw )
2st : why ppl start flaming here eatch other and dont get back on topic? with that u make all talk about why that or that clan dont get a all useless...this is now 1 Server and u need ,if u want to change something stay together...later u can go out from town and pvp, but now stay together ppl and stay at ur option with the clan hall ****...
1st : why dont get the clans with the most heros/castles NOT a good clan hall if they bid for it...its look like no one from the NCSoft team know nothing whats happend in HIS game (im not in a big clan with heroes and castles btw )
2st : why ppl start flaming here eatch other and dont get back on topic? with that u make all talk about why that or that clan dont get a all useless...this is now 1 Server and u need ,if u want to change something stay together...later u can go out from town and pvp, but now stay together ppl and stay at ur option with the clan hall ****...
think about this..
1 - the "rules" for the clan halls were stated it was going to be random (see below where I think that it was presented differently)
2 - If a clan did not get an 'A grade clan hall' the clans have been offered a 'B grade' one - this is a fact. All the QQ'ing about this is moot unless a clan turned it down - then that is their own fault.
3 - I have yet to hear that "the people" are willing to give up/trade their Clan Hall to those that did not get one because of how it would effect the "server". If people really cared then we would see "oh hi, since 'a clan' did not get a clan hall we would be willing to give up/trade ours to them".
4 - If "a clan" got a B grade clan hall, would everyone be QQ since the only argument that I have seen is "well top PvP clans need a clan hall to.. bla bla bla" no one has said a good reason for why "a clan" needs an "A grade clan hall" in a location except that "it is a place to regroup".
5 - May I suggest that the epic QQ'ing wait until the final details are posted on which clans get what. Then if the "public" wants "a clan" to get a clan hall that the emo QQ be from those that are willing to trade but were told that they could not from NCSoft.
6 - I think that the Clan Hall Lotto was not implemented in the way that it was presented from the start - since there are a lot of posts that comment about the state of some clans.
1 - the "rules" for the clan halls were stated it was going to be random (see below where I think that it was presented differently)
2 - If a clan did not get an 'A grade clan hall' the clans have been offered a 'B grade' one - this is a fact. All the QQ'ing about this is moot unless a clan turned it down - then that is their own fault.
3 - I have yet to hear that "the people" are willing to give up/trade their Clan Hall to those that did not get one because of how it would effect the "server". If people really cared then we would see "oh hi, since 'a clan' did not get a clan hall we would be willing to give up/trade ours to them".
4 - If "a clan" got a B grade clan hall, would everyone be QQ since the only argument that I have seen is "well top PvP clans need a clan hall to.. bla bla bla" no one has said a good reason for why "a clan" needs an "A grade clan hall" in a location except that "it is a place to regroup".
5 - May I suggest that the epic QQ'ing wait until the final details are posted on which clans get what. Then if the "public" wants "a clan" to get a clan hall that the emo QQ be from those that are willing to trade but were told that they could not from NCSoft.
6 - I think that the Clan Hall Lotto was not implemented in the way that it was presented from the start - since there are a lot of posts that comment about the state of some clans.
Sace also stated that NCsoft was getting involved to prevent alt clans from receiving clan halls to resell at premiums.
however, this obviously didnt work as seen in the list, and a few of those clan halls could have gone to more active clans that include more than boxed buffers and lvl 30 dion noobs who were mass recruited, one of which is the main clan in question in this thread who fully deserves one imo. (i didnt mention their name Sace, don't hate on me please <3)
i think even my enemys like hyperlite will back this post
oh and btw our "PVP" clans PVE 4x more than others so that we have XP to lose in the pvp
i fully support u guys getting a clan hall as do many sh/hazard players and im sure dh too(aside from the trolls on the forum here being dumb). we need u guys in game to make it fun, because L2 on a 1 sided server is not fun at all.
Here is the winners list so far. I say "so far" because there are some B and C clan halls that were never bid for. Players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund. It may take a while before those players can receive the email and respond, and I cannot post the final winners list until they make their choice.
If you bid for a clan hall and you are not listed here, please check for an update on your ticket throughout the day!
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Three B-grade and one C-grade clan halls were not bid for. People that bid for but did not win an A-grade clan hall are being given the choice to choose a lower-grade clan hall, or their refund.
Sace, what about these clans and applications that didn't win Agr CH? There are still no response to the ticket. What is the new application format if we want to get lover grade? Should it be new applications ot it will be asked in response of failure in A gr application ticket?
The clans that didn't get A grade have already received letters with text like "your clan was chosen as second chance owner for B grade CH. If you accept, let us know".
Honestly there really aren't PvE-only clans... even the most timid L2 player must sometimes defend their hunting spot or participate in something that is PvP in order to advance. (raid bosses, castles, forts, territory wars, etc.)
There ARE PvP-only clans... but those people don't PvE (much) because they don't have to... most don't even know where raid bosses other than epic-dropping ones are...
There really isn't a division between PvE and PvP... its about people who want to play the game within the rules, and people who can't.
Let's ask the queston the other way around... why do PvP-only clans need clanhalls?
-You can regroup in town
-You don't need clanhall buffs
-You don't care about the price of ports, as your adena is effectively unlimited
-You don't need resses.. your XP is effectively unlimited
-You don't need BSoEs.
-You don't need a social spot to meet... most of you aren't real people anyways.
-Clanhalls will not change the outcome of any battle those clans would participate in.
-If such a clan took a PvP clanhall, they aren' going to lose their clanhall ever unless they horrendously screw up.
Really, truly, if you want PvP... why not take a PvP clanhall and battle it out as often as possible?
We both know the truth... its because you don't want PvP... you want to win at any cost, as easily as possible.
+1 but a few things to notice:
There are fully PvE clans. While we can participate in sieges and whatever does not make us turn purple (even killing red) our clan is firmly against giving cheaters any satisfaction in PvP. We just award them the kill and move on, most of the time dont even bother to come back and kill red or give location to enemies. I think this means we are fully PvE by your description.
Second, while I fully support the idea of "active" clans getting forts, castles and pvp clan halls because they are "active" for this sole purpose, for PvP missing all other aspects while they are "active" in the night, I must point out one thing that also other posters noticed:
Everyone will get a CH, what's the fuss about it ? Why is grade so important, they reserved for the "active" clans those in schuttgart, so they are close to at least some AFK places such as CoD.
I dont see ANY reason for this river of tears because:
1. Everybody that made it to the list WILL get CH.
2. The reserved CHs WILL be best of B grade.
3. Out of the cited reasons for which "active" clans need CH (I fail to see any valid one but that is besides the point) NONE requires a speciffic grade.
So, that's all fox, go back to your PvP and PKs, your Castles and epics. BB, HF.
M
The clans that didn't get A grade have already received letters with text like "your clan was chosen as second chance owner for B grade CH. If you accept, let us know".
Unfortunely we haven't receive yet, so in that case I'm asking. Application tickets were accepted and adena was taken from CWH.
So do we have to wait till the NEXT maintenance now to get our clanhalls or will NC make an unscheduled downtime before tuesday?
Also is there any chance those "hidden criteria", IF THEY EVEN EXISTED, will be opened to the public?
So do we have to wait till the NEXT maintenance now to get our clanhalls or will NC make an unscheduled downtime before tuesday?
Also is there any chance those "hidden criteria", IF THEY EVEN EXISTED, will be opened to the public?
There is no need for downtime in order to give out CHs. They already said that.
+1 on disclosing the hidden criteria. Since there is no planned merger yet, there is no reason why those should not be made public.
M
Sace, you telling us, that your team needs players feedback to improve the quality of NC staff, and to make right decisions, based on our thoughts.
And now main question: Players think that alt clans are: "Inquisition", "FierceRage" and mb "BlackShadows". This clans passed your "protection from reselling" and gained CH for resell. Teon community knows history and leaders of this clans. And current status, that was forming during years of playing.
Will you fix this fail of Clan Hall Distribution event?
Because a lot of other clans deserves to get CH for direct usage.
Unfortunely we haven't receive yet, so in that case I'm asking. Application tickets were accepted and adena was taken from CWH.
I think the best way will be petition from CL to ask them what's your next steps should be. Here on forums your post can't be simply lost and Sace may not answer it.
And now main question: Players think that alt clans are: "Inquisition", "FierceRage" and mb "BlackShadows". This clans passed your "protection from reselling" and gained CH for resell. Teon community knows history and leaders of this clans. And current status, that was forming during years of playing.
"lnquisition" (they are writing their clan name with a small-case letter "L" at start, strangely enough) isn't actually an "alt clan", it's just a small one. As in, one party before the merge, maybe two now that they invited a few people. FierceRage is an alt, all active members merged into Right some months ago. No idea about BlackShadows, they don't matter enough for me to track what they are doing exactly.
"lnquisition" (they are writing their clan name with a small-case letter "L" at start, strangely enough) isn't actually an "alt clan", it's just a small one. As in, one party before the merge, maybe two now that they invited a few people. FierceRage is an alt, all active members merged into Right some months ago. No idea about BlackShadows, they don't matter enough for me to track what they are doing exactly.
BlackShadows joined Right and DH clans few month ago, BS is dead alt clan now.
"lnquisition" not alt or twink clan, than is normal clan whit good online in day ~15 at night ~24. so it no alt or twink clan, not cry if you dont win ch, and dont blaime others
Its gonna be funny. You all asking for hidden criteria, while playing the legitzor card...i aint saying you arent. But If sace ever post the hidden criteria and one of th rulez is you clanleader and members should have never been caught botting...arent ya gonna feel owned:P
Its gonna be funny. You all asking for hidden criteria, while playing the legitzor card...i aint saying you arent. But If sace ever post the hidden criteria and one of th rulez is you clanleader and members should have never been caught botting...arent ya gonna feel owned:P
"lnquisition" not alt or twink clan, than is normal clan whit good online in day ~15 at night ~24. so it no alt or twink clan, not cry if you dont win ch, and dont blaime others
Online 15-24 ppl in average, from 150 twinks u invited to make application for CH, while clans with 100+ online in average without CH - good example of CH distribution failure :(
And there is not only one such clan from those who "win". Just LOL.
What about doing this Clanhall distribution every 3 months as event so clans need to stay active...based on pvp and pve as well... number of killed RBs...epics...festival...all the ingame stuff ? :)
Whole point is, has this worked out fairer that auctions would have ? Probably ye, but would have been less flaming cos people are used to that system sucking and got their hopes up with this.
Any clan that works/plays hard and even if my definition of that is different from yours, should have a chance. People are different and play the game differently. All pay the same to do so and nowhere does it say only pvp clans can have a clanhall in game at this current time. If it did, how many false wars do you think we would have seen starting up to cheat system etc etc? so honestly no matter if you agree or I agree with it, we should forget about that.
Clanhalls will be up for sale after this thread has died. Alt clans got CH's. This process failed to stop that and that was the point of doing it in the first place. Why ? we cannot say or help stop again cos we dont know the criteria.
You stated at the start you would not interfere after this process was ended, but I think you should have made some small print. Any clanhall changes hands within certain time period after, is taken back by gm's and re-distributed to one of the "losers" at the price it was in lottery and same for any clan that suddenly shrinks to 10/20 members or dies.
but I think you should have made some small print. Any clanhall changes hands within certain time period after, is taken back by gm's and re-distributed to one of the "losers"
Not a good idea. Some clan mergers are expected after the server merge, and they can result in clan hall transfers.
And now main question: Players think that alt clans are: "Inquisition", "FierceRage" and mb "BlackShadows". Teon community knows history and leaders of this clans. And current status, that was forming during years of playing.
Who do you call alt clan, mister? Clans BlackShadows completely independent,and enough active for middle war clan.Yes we lost 2 party just before clan hall distribution event (they decided to join in Right clan),but it is normal, because all "middle war" clans are just incubator for BigWar (as I remember Dareon you also started with this), almost all nowdays " pro gamers" from top clans,was nonfactors in the past. So why do you think that we not deserve to be ClanHalls owners?We regularly participate for TW and Castle siege, regularly we were Castle holders on Teon and we will on Naia.So what is a problem?And who are this mysterious " Players "?
Its gonna be funny. You all asking for hidden criteria, while playing the legitzor card...i aint saying you arent. But If sace ever post the hidden criteria and one of th rulez is you clanleader and members should have never been caught botting...arent ya gonna feel owned:P
100% sure that wasnt the criteria. Only cl was supposed not to cheat, the rest are tons of cheaters, either in main or alt clans that made it. I met many trains, I know of many banned, only CL was checked.
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It does not matter how much anyone on here disagrees with the way the clan halls were distributed (including myself), it is not going to change. What's done is done, if you don't have a clan hall fight for a fort or castle and enjoy the benefits.
BTW few days ago I saw some KJ clan members, they were written as their titles that KJ is alt clan of FierceRage :)
Yea KJ is alt of FR ..and we were called alt of RS .. as well alt of BloodyLegend ...
Who else want be our main clan?
About independent clan with 8 ppl .. yup tell us more :) ( if 9 apologies)
Discussion just left KJ .. you guys can't without us?
Please Sace do your work! :D
BTW few days ago I saw some KJ clan members, they were written as their titles that KJ is alt clan of FierceRage :)
ofc we are altclan, what did you think? *ironi*
What is that supposed to mean ? If a threat, I am immune. In this game I was PKed sometimes 20 times a day maybe more if I count alts too by top bot clans in Franz because i thought is funny and was coming back all the time. That didnt scare me, hehe :) We will always have instances and all, besides now we have CH and ppl that are annoyed being PKed over here can use BSOE easily. This game now allows for PvE under attack from no matter who and we will do our game regardless of who threatens or PKs us.
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A couple of players have asked if the winners can choose the town of the clan hall they receive. The answer to this is, unfortunately, no, the clan halls will be awarded randomly within each grade's winners.
However, we can assist if two clans mutually agree that they wish to swap clan halls of the same grade after the distribution is complete. This will be revisited later on, after the winners get their clan halls.
if 2 clans agree to swap clan halls, what they have to do? the 2 clan leaders must send a petition?
My opinion is that NC did well in the CH distribution process. It was a difficult thing requiring them to use judgment so, in general it went well. I would like to see the next step though, where a CH does not only need money for maintenance but other items as well. Those items could be reputation points, items that drop from raid bosses, TW items, etc. That way it will be made sure that only active clans get to keep their CH.
Another funny thing is that people are crying about not gettin a clan hall. Are you sure ure CL did fill in the approval? or just himself a freya necklace or whatever with the adena you donated too clan:P. I mean it was like 33ch and 36 applications. yet i see more then 50 people saying we didnt get a CH. Are ya from the same clan or did your CL just jack ya:?
(Situation on Naia) Alt clan or not the point is that too many clans invited "dead" chars just to be able to participate and this was not the sense of the restrictions made by NC Soft. The good way was to check the online at sieges, average members lvl and the clan skills learnt.
20 people online is something what is enough for a 5 lvl clan and C-grade clanhall. Some clans on Naia (trying to make some wind here) are 1-5 people clans that were just pumped to get a clanhall and resell it later.
Anyway the choice is done and the clans who didnt get a clanhall should just take the b-grade clanhalls (as offered from NC Soft). Nowadays the grade of clanhall doesnt not really matter as earlier. I think even b-grade clanhalls in Gludio and Schuttgart are better as clanhalls in Giran and Aden. So no point to whine, just accept the another fail and leave it behind.
i see so much flame towards KJ but i haven't seen anyone from KJ flaming.
C'mon people, you can do better then that, for sure that your studies grant you better abilities.
The process of distribution is finished, independently of enjoying it or not, if a clan is an alt clan or not, it's not for anyone outside that clans to decide.
Some clans that got a clan hall are simply "game programmers", in the morning they program, in they night, the program keeps running, quite intelligent people i should say. This is not meant to be "flame" but simply the truth, if "inquisition" really existed (not the clan, more wood to the fire) this clans would be "burning at the stake" aka banned.
Anyway, great job NCSoft team on handling all the pressure from the community, keep up the good work! ;)
PS: It's actually impossible to have on title "Someone's alt clan" because simply we lack space" but it was a good flame try anyway:cool:
ToxiC 11 lvl clan w 152 ppl formally in - Aden Gold Manor
Wrath 9 lvl clan w 111 ppl formally in Aden Bronze Chamber
MightyKnights 10 lvl w 136 ppl formally in Aden Gold Chamber
Onslaught 11 lvl clan 167 ppl formally in Giran Silver Manor
GranCaribe 9 lvl clan 150 ppl formally in Giran Bronze Chamber
Hazard 11 lvl clan 151 ppl formally in Giran Golden Chamber
SoutherLights 10 lvl clan 99 ppl formally in Giran Mithril Chamber
vestoniceans 10 lvl clan 148 ppl formally in Goddard Emerald Hall
KJ 10 lvl clan 131 ppl formally in Goddard Moonstone Hall
Right 11 lvl clan 109 ppl formally in Goddard Onyx Hall
JAKUDZA 11 lvl clan 109 ppl formally in Goddard Sapphire Hall
Einheit 11 lvl clan 124 ppl formally in Rune Aria Chamber
Inquisition 9 lvl clan 93 ppl formally in Rune Astaire Chamber
FierceRage 11 lvl clan 104 ppl formally in Rune Luna Chamber
DawnBringers 10 lvl clan 134 ppl formally in Rune Mont Chamber
NeMeSIIS 10 lvl clan 172 ppl formally in Rune Roien Chamber
Hellenicspirit 9 lvl clan 129 ppl formally Rune Traban Chamber
BlackShadows 10 lvl clan 91 ppl formally Rune Yiana Chamber
I can not understand why these clans were CH, because they do not have a high number of players, high activity with either. high significance in the game.
So I think the distribution of CH is wrong, and is made NCSOFT with large errors. and makes a strong clans to use real money, maybe, a clan who really need a clan hall does not get it.
so I think that the distribution of the clan hall provoke trade for real money, because put more than two billion adena impossible, due to a bug .. and sell cheaper than one received CH clans will not be. means to be RMT.
In the sum of all the above I consider that the distribution of clan halls is a failure NCSOFT
My opinion is that NC did well in the CH distribution process. It was a difficult thing requiring them to use judgment so, in general it went well. I would like to see the next step though, where a CH does not only need money for maintenance but other items as well. Those items could be reputation points, items that drop from raid bosses, TW items, etc. That way it will be made sure that only active clans get to keep their CH.
That's actually a pretty good idea, would also clear up those clan halls that go to dust when a CL gets banned and the clan hall still sit's there because it had so much adena in it it just maintain's itself.
ToxiC 11 lvl clan w 152 ppl formally in - Aden Gold Manor
Wrath 9 lvl clan w 111 ppl formally in Aden Bronze Chamber
MightyKnights 10 lvl w 136 ppl formally in Aden Gold Chamber
Onslaught 11 lvl clan 167 ppl formally in Giran Silver Manor
GranCaribe 9 lvl clan 150 ppl formally in Giran Bronze Chamber
Hazard 11 lvl clan 151 ppl formally in Giran Golden Chamber
SoutherLights 10 lvl clan 99 ppl formally in Giran Mithril Chamber
vestoniceans 10 lvl clan 148 ppl formally in Goddard Emerald Hall
KJ 10 lvl clan 131 ppl formally in Goddard Moonstone Hall
Right 11 lvl clan 109 ppl formally in Goddard Onyx Hall
JAKUDZA 11 lvl clan 109 ppl formally in Goddard Sapphire Hall
Einheit 11 lvl clan 124 ppl formally in Rune Aria Chamber
Inquisition 9 lvl clan 93 ppl formally in Rune Astaire Chamber
FierceRage 11 lvl clan 104 ppl formally in Rune Luna Chamber
DawnBringers 10 lvl clan 134 ppl formally in Rune Mont Chamber
NeMeSIIS 10 lvl clan 172 ppl formally in Rune Roien Chamber
Hellenicspirit 9 lvl clan 129 ppl formally Rune Traban Chamber
BlackShadows 10 lvl clan 91 ppl formally Rune Yiana Chamber
I can not understand why these clans were CH, because they do not have a high number of players, high activity with either. high significance in the game.
So I think the distribution of CH is wrong, and is made NCSOFT with large errors. and makes a strong clans to use real money, maybe, a clan who really need a clan hall does not get it.
so I think that the distribution of the clan hall provoke trade for real money, because put more than two billion adena impossible, due to a bug .. and sell cheaper than one received CH clans will not be. means to be RMT.
In the sum of all the above I consider that the distribution of clan halls is a failure NCSOFT
Are you kidding me , Right is a semi top clan with alot of active people.
What strikes me is Toxic, nemesiis, jakudza, Hazard, all bot clans, get a CH. If we talk numbers, half of them are just 2 party clans at sieges. But NCsoft don't know **** **** about whats moving inside the game. They look statistics only. I want SPAM back, or better yet. Close this game down, I wanna see RL again :) .
Are you kidding me , Right is a semi top clan with alot of active people.
What strikes me is Toxic, nemesiis, jakudza, Hazard, all bot clans, get a CH. If we talk numbers, half of them are just 2 party clans at sieges. But NCsoft don't know **** **** about whats moving inside the game. They look statistics only. I want SPAM back, or better yet. Close this game down, I wanna see RL again :) .
I don't think that anyone is saying that NC did not take in consideration the amount of bots in a clan when they selected who gets what clan hall.
Are you kidding me , Right is a semi top clan with alot of active people.
What strikes me is Toxic, nemesiis, jakudza, Hazard, all bot clans, get a CH. If we talk numbers, half of them are just 2 party clans at sieges. But NCsoft don't know **** **** about whats moving inside the game. They look statistics only. I want SPAM back, or better yet. Close this game down, I wanna see RL again :) .
Are you kidding me , Right is a semi top clan with alot of active people.
What strikes me is Toxic, nemesiis, jakudza, Hazard, all bot clans, get a CH. If we talk numbers, half of them are just 2 party clans at sieges. But NCsoft don't know **** **** about whats moving inside the game. They look statistics only. I want SPAM back, or better yet. Close this game down, I wanna see RL again :) .
No one is stopping you from hitting the exit game button. Go ahead do it go outside and get some fresh air. When you feal better come back and see if L2 is still here.
sace moxie and etc i think u need consider the way that a ally can use the clan hall of the main clan that gives the ally.
in this way you gone resolve all you problems coz the fact is that all clans have the right to have a ch from a clan lv 5-6 and up with minimum 40 active ppls on it but there are not so manny chls for the new merge servers
and you dint make new clhs for the new server needs so..
I think its a must when u merge the all servers in 2 severs this fuction
sould be ready for this when naia or chronos go on
if this it is possible to happend and in my perssonal opinion its not so hard
to be done not sure jst say my opinion the benefits are
team gameplay for all clans big normal small
more fun,better siege with manny ppls on it
better xp pts and more.....
just say my opinion and i think its gone be fair for all :)
I don't think that anyone is saying that NC did not take in consideration the amount of bots in a clan when they selected who gets what clan hall.
hmm correct me if i am wrong but if they were to take into consideration the amount of bots in a clan would that not mean they knew they were bots which in turn means they had passed all the tests gm's use to determine a legit player v's a filthy pathetic child... err cheat?
Clan halls will be distributed with Tuesday's maintenance. This because we gave clans that wish to swap until Monday night to decide and negotiate who they want to switch with. Swapping also needs to be completed before the final list of winners is posted, to compile any changes efficiently.
Are you kidding me , Right is a semi top clan with alot of active people.
What strikes me is Toxic, nemesiis, jakudza, Hazard, all bot clans, get a CH. If we talk numbers, half of them are just 2 party clans at sieges. But NCsoft don't know **** **** about whats moving inside the game. They look statistics only. I want SPAM back, or better yet. Close this game down, I wanna see RL again :) .
hazard a bot clan? lol...
the official forums are a wonderful place as of late for people to throw accusations of botting around with no proof. try to get facts before stating things that make no sense.
the official forums are a wonderful place as of late for people to throw accusations of botting around with no proof. try to get facts before stating things that make no sense.
I dont know about Teon, havent seen many trains since merger, but the others i can confirm I saw many trains in Franz. Toxic is alt AFK clan, Nemesiis was a fairly good clan but still full of bots now it merged and became alt clan, Jakudza bots were all around some 6 months ago or even more but later clan died and is only alt clan now, etc.
That is from what I saw myself, trains in catas (nemesiis especially), WoA, HB, Varka, etc.
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You both are correct, from the start of this event GMs have a scenario with 2-3 days,but when they get an idea with CH swapping they change the date for 2nd November. So don't fight, girls, everything will be okay.
Congratz Bregan, you bot and use radar and run farmer trains 24/7 and yet NCSoft pats you on your back and say here you are take a CH.
And then we have another user in another thread not understanding what bad botting is doing and tries to explain to legit people that botting isn't bad.
NCSoft is failing again...8 days until my last account becomes inactive and this will be my last post in this forum.
great job with clan hall distribution and everything else since merges! Keep up the good work!
wow, it takes months to get replies or progress made in game but i make a post questioning NC's handling of the clan hall distribution, territory war badges, and other things and its deleted within 10 minutes? you do a good job at covering up what you're not doing. lol.
Which is this NCSoft43 clan with NCSoft43 leader having an A grade clanhall at giran on Naia??
Its not in the winners list... something smells bad here...
The Silver Chamber in Giran (on both servers) is being kept by NCsoft until further notice. We are planning another method of releasing it to the players that will not involve the regular in-game auction nor the Clan Hall Distribution. Stay tuned.
Go to aden now and take a look - Wrath clan didnt open and im sure didnt set up their CH yet. Do you know why? Because it is one of sub-clans with 2 alive members.
I'm the clan leader or RedStorm.
Dear Nc Soft, if i'd ever knew you will give A-grade CH to clans like Wrath and lnquision i'd bid for A-grade CH.
I have one idea. You wanted to give CH's to active clans? Ok, check us. Choose random time and port all my members, who will be online and all member of clan Wrath/lnquisition or BlackShadows to Arena and declare pvp game for CH. Clan with more active members who will win pvp or other kind of game will get A-grade CH.
And if we will win ill pay NC 1.5b more.
It is most simple way to check if ppl are really active or not :)
I have one idea. You wanted to give CH's to active clans? Ok, check us. Choose random time and port all my members, who will be online and all member of clan Wrath/lnquisition or BlackShadows to Arena and declare pvp game for CH. Clan with more active members who will win pvp or other kind of game will get A-grade CH.
And if we will win ill pay NC 1.5b more.
It is most simple way to check if ppl are really active or not :)
+1
Maybe make it a fight to the death and those that die also lose account!! Now we are talking about a real death match!!
Thank you very much for Clan Halls!
(not many people come to thank, but they QQed pages and walls of texts in no time. sad)
Of the few that did, some made thread to thank, not only complain :)
Regarding clan activity, yeah, it should be checked regularly and free the CHs that are not used.
+1
Maybe make it a fight to the death and those that die also lose account!! Now we are talking about a real death match!!
Indeed, those that are ported there and all they do is sellfbuffing, dancing/singing etc should lose the account, then we will see who has more "active" members.
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Go to aden now and take a look - Wrath clan didnt open and im sure didnt set up their CH yet. Do you know why? Because it is one of sub-clans with 2 alive members.
I'm the clan leader or RedStorm.
Dear Nc Soft, if i'd ever knew you will give A-grade CH to clans like Wrath and lnquision i'd bid for A-grade CH.
I have one idea. You wanted to give CH's to active clans? Ok, check us. Choose random time and port all my members, who will be online and all member of clan Wrath/lnquisition or BlackShadows to Arena and declare pvp game for CH. Clan with more active members who will win pvp or other kind of game will get A-grade CH.
And if we will win ill pay NC 1.5b more.
It is most simple way to check if ppl are really active or not :)
and they never checked who are bot clans either.. so I would be careful on how much you complain....
and they never checked who are bot clans either.. so I would be careful on how much you complain....
This is not a bot thread m8,make your complains at bot thread.
Looks like ppl are happy that X did not take a ch that they deserve.Is this that you all want?Disapear a clan you cannot hit?
You are loosing the point here jentlemans and ladys.I am enemy of X too but I am not happy if they stop exist because its so simple,enemys is a part of the good LA2.
Maybe you play just to kill mobs and when you loose from a strong clan at a siege etc you start the QQ (they are bots ,they cheat bla bla)
I vote for Giran ch that NC got to go at my enemys X.
This is not a bot thread m8,make your complains at bot thread.
Looks like ppl are happy that X did not take a ch that they deserve.Is this that you all want?Disapear a clan you cannot hit?
You are loosing the point here jentlemans and ladys.I am enemy of X too but I am not happy if they stop exist because its so simple,enemys is a part of the good LA2.
Maybe you play just to kill mobs and when you loose from a strong clan at a siege etc you start the QQ (they are bots ,they cheat bla bla)
I vote for Giran ch that NC got to go at my enemys X.
Go to aden now and take a look - Wrath clan didnt open and im sure didnt set up their CH yet. Do you know why? Because it is one of sub-clans with 2 alive members.
I'm the clan leader or RedStorm.
Dear Nc Soft, if i'd ever knew you will give A-grade CH to clans like Wrath and lnquision i'd bid for A-grade CH.
I have one idea. You wanted to give CH's to active clans? Ok, check us. Choose random time and port all my members, who will be online and all member of clan Wrath/lnquisition or BlackShadows to Arena and declare pvp game for CH. Clan with more active members who will win pvp or other kind of game will get A-grade CH.
And if we will win ill pay NC 1.5b more.
It is most simple way to check if ppl are really active or not :)
The Silver Chamber in Giran (on both servers) is being kept by NCsoft until further notice. We are planning another method of releasing it to the players that will not involve the regular in-game auction nor the Clan Hall Distribution. Stay tuned.
This is not a bot thread m8,make your complains at bot thread.
Looks like ppl are happy that X did not take a ch that they deserve.Is this that you all want?Disapear a clan you cannot hit?
You are loosing the point here jentlemans and ladys.I am enemy of X too but I am not happy if they stop exist because its so simple,enemys is a part of the good LA2.
Maybe you play just to kill mobs and when you loose from a strong clan at a siege etc you start the QQ (they are bots ,they cheat bla bla)
I vote for Giran ch that NC got to go at my enemys X.
You missed the point.. NC should have looked at the clans that bot/3rd party programs and those that don't - this is something they did not look at otherwise half of the clans on both servers would not have received a clan hall.
Here is the thing... if X had applied for an A grade clan hall, then why did they not get the option to get another clan hall - perhaps the reason are: 1, they were denied from the get go, or 2, they choose not to get a B or C grade clan hall and told everyone to EMO QQ on the forums.
All the anger for the reason why X did not get a A grade Clan Hall, the maybe those people that say "OMG they will leave the server" should put pressure on the alt clans that did get one to trade with X; otherwise it is just emo kids crying over a game.
You missed the point.. NC should have looked at the clans that bot/3rd party programs and those that don't - this is something they did not look at otherwise half of the clans on both servers would not have received a clan hall.
Here is the thing... if X had applied for an A grade clan hall, then why did they not get the option to get another clan hall - perhaps the reason are: 1, they were denied from the get go, or 2, they choose not to get a B or C grade clan hall and told everyone to EMO QQ on the forums.
All the anger for the reason why X did not get a A grade Clan Hall, the maybe those people that say "OMG they will leave the server" should put pressure on the alt clans that did get one to trade with X; otherwise it is just emo kids crying over a game.
who said that X will leave the server...where to go actually?? Redsky is the only one of the clans that actually playing the game that did not get a clan hall.
My problem with this is that NC "created" a system that the most "ACTIVE" clans will
get a clan hall. If you check the list you will notice at least 4-5 clans that have A grade CH
who are not even participating at sieges TWs...and this is our problem here. That a lot
of clans participated just to resell the clanhall and not use it for them.
Believe it or not having a clan hall for ever in Aden and suddenly be without one, or your only choise is gludin that has no castle to
keep your wards or something, is not the best gaming experience you can have.
and they never checked who are bot clans either.. so I would be careful on how much you complain....
They did, but unfortunatelly only the leaders, not the ppl in the clan too so they can see who has over 50% bots and be denied CH. If that was the case 80% of CHs would have been left without owners and sold in auction, almost all of A grade too. Also, if they banned the ppl that they checked and announced that in advance, there were no bidders, unless those that really believe they are infallible and cant be caught.
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I am so glad I am on Chronos, because if the level of complaining on the boards is any reflection of what is being said on the server, I would go postal on all the inhabitants outside Gludio.
If you are such a force take one of the contestable clan halls, or pull some of your ample resources together and buy one, yes at an inflated price but so what 1.5KKK or 3KKK its just adena.
NCsoft messed up, live with it. They could easily fix it now that we have 2 servers by creating 1-10 clan halls in the numerous empty buildings in a couple of towns. That would solve the problem.