I do not think people who bid for agrade clans should be downgraded to Bgrade and knock people out who bid for bgrade only clan halls.
They bid for agrade and lost that was the gamble. Money returned to to them -15% sorry charlie better luck next time.
there is 4 free Bgrade ch's on naia and 4 clans to much bid on agrade ch's. so that would be perfect to make everyone happy to let those that dont get an agrade, let them have a bgrade and give them 1,5billion in btw.
there is 4 free Bgrade ch's on naia and 4 clans to much bid on agrade ch's. so that would be perfect to make everyone happy to let those that dont get an agrade, let them have a bgrade and give them 1,5billion in btw.
Yeah, I think it is fair, since rules have been changed already, they can be changed again, i think all ppl agree that whoever bid for a grade and didnt get it can have one of the 4 left in the b grade category. But I also think those left out should be the lowest in the worst location, such as Gludin. Any CH is better than none + money lost, so I think that is a fair deal, besides they should be able to choose not to take it and then auction the remaining ones.
M
No ppl bidding for agrade should not get a lower one coz all the a grade ones were won by others.
What was the point of the 15% money loss as deterrent if you are gonna just get consolation prizes?
not flamming you Smittie you were just the closest quote. I definately agree with your first. Comment.
Bottom line there were 3 different grades people could bid for. That was a chance you took. I suspect that you get what you pay for. If you bid on a Agrade you were only eligable for Agrade or b or c.
The rules were very specific and very clear. Choose which clan hall you wanted, make a bid, and wait and see. Why should lower grade clan halls go to clans that decided to go for a grade be able to push out those clans that chose to go for b grade?
The rules were very specific and very clear. Choose which clan hall you wanted, make a bid, and wait and see. Why should lower grade clan halls go to clans that decided to go for a grade be able to push out those clans that chose to go for b grade?
Once again, the idea was that IF there are e.g. free B grade clan halls (meaning that there are LESS clans bidding on B grade halls than there are clan halls available, as is the case on Naia server) those FREE clan halls might go to clans which lost out while bidding on an A grade clan hall. Of course the clans bidding specifically on B grade halls should get theirs first. And of course any clan getting a B grade clan hall this way instead of an A grade clan hall should still pay his 5b adena, even for the b grade hall (if they want it, they of course should be able to decline the B grade clan hall if they do not want it and instead prefer getting their money back, minus the fee for participating).
Once again, the idea was that IF there are e.g. free B grade clan halls (meaning that there are LESS clans bidding on B grade halls than there are clan halls available, as is the case on Naia server) those FREE clan halls might go to clans which lost out while bidding on an A grade clan hall. Of course the clans bidding specifically on B grade halls should get theirs first. And of course any clan getting a B grade clan hall this way instead of an A grade clan hall should still pay his 5b adena, even for the b grade hall (if they want it, they of course should be able to decline the B grade clan hall if they do not want it and instead prefer getting their money back, minus the fee for participating).
THIS!!!
But it it does not work out that way.. then really no big deal for me.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3027518&postcount=4
As I understand, NCWest have issue evaluating ~80 clans on both server and roll random between them during week.
Maybe we need to donate some calculators for NCWest to increase their performance?
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3027518&postcount=4
As I understand, NCWest have issue evaluating ~80 clans on both server and roll random between them during week.
Maybe we need to donate some calculators for NCWest to increase their performance?
Sure - I really don't know why its so delay.. What's wrong? In 1 hour i can make for you easy macro in excel - list of clans, list of CHs, and randomly compare it.. Really don't know why you make it so long time..
They did say they were also considering activity factors which are not disclosed, so perhaps not random alone. Also they are probably preparing for the 3 day gm event.
Yeah, I think they evaluate clans according to their "hidden criteria" and then give those clans which score higher a better chance during the lottery.
Then it's not a lottery anymore but just picking out the winners and stealing the money (adena) from losers :) With other words if they do something like this the clans that dont get a clanhall can sue the "sponsor" (imo).
Bottom line there were 3 different grades people could bid for.
Wrong, you could only bid on 2 grades. Either A/B or B/C depending on clan level.
No clan could choose between all 3 grades, perhaps with alt clan, but I am sure GM veted out those.
M
EDIT: P.S. In very speciffic conditions, like clan level 8 almost ready for 9, that could have all options on the table because if they wanted c or b could have gone for those, if they wanted A they could have leveled the clan to qualify
Yeah but in Naia, for exemple, we have more B grade Clan Halls than Clans who actually put a bid on it so it should not be skyrocket science to determine the winners... Btw maybe they also considering the CH that clan owned in previous servers (to give them the same) which can ofc lead to some delay...
Yeah but in Naia, for exemple, we have more B grade Clan Halls than Clans who actually put a bid on it so it should not be skyrocket science to determine the winners... Btw maybe they also considering the CH that clan owned in previous servers (to give them the same) which can ofc lead to some delay...
"The winning entries will be drawn at random by representatives of the Sponsor. "
In the past people lost also money with the normal auction, so whats your problem? The only difference backdays was that a CH was 2billion adena maximal. Even then they used the 35% lost rate.
They even lowered it, in this new distribution to 15%. Only they increased the max bid a little more, then few years ago. Since most people are hitting 8x, its for them also easier to get adena.
well i dont get the point when u give tax to a game imo
and btw the 15% that a lost clan miss u sould think that was the equimpent of a member friend etc ^^
the rules are just lol
You are paying an subscription to the game, because we have Live GM's, Events, Updates. Those have to be paid. This game isnt "PristonTale" or some other crappy MMORPG.
I dont know you if you know what the word "Clan" means to you? Nowadays all Mid/Top clans on Naiia can afford 5billlion easily by doing events/raids together.
We did a few Zaken/Tiat raids and covered almost 50% of the 5billion. It isnt that difficult. So yeah, if you play alone or think only for yourself and not doing it together as a clan, you never will get the adena together. Thats why it called an "CLANhall".
If you dislike the rules, why you accepted them in the first place if you knew you cant afford it.
You are paying an subscription to the game, because we have Live GM's, Events, Updates. Those have to be paid. This game isnt "PristonTale" or some other crappy MMORPG.
I dont know you if you know what the word "Clan" means to you? Nowadays all Mid/Top clans on Naiia can afford 5billlion easily by doing events/raids together.
We did a few Zaken/Tiat raids and covered almost 50% of the 5billion. It isnt that difficult. So yeah, if you play alone or think only for yourself and not doing it together as a clan, you never will get the adena together. Thats why it called an "CLANhall".
If you dislike the rules, why you accepted them in the first place if you knew you cant afford it.
mby u need understant that not all are in top farmers scammers adena sellers clan coz the most big clans are fighting killing each ather who gets the spot ,epic and atc if u notice i speak about legit clans who dont buy unlegit things or use trains to farms rbs and btw i never play solo:P
and about subscription where are the badge from tw? mby u are the one that think u play a n ather game not me
sace u re still working on it but u sould be done with it, or just dont give a specific day its better in this way , so we dont wait for a fake or unfinish day
mby u need understant that not all are in top farmers scammers adena sellers clan coz the most big clans are fighting killing each ather who gets the spot ,epic and atc if u notice i speak about legit clans who dont buy unlegit things or use trains to farms rbs and btw i never play solo:P
and about subscription where are the badge from tw? mby u are the one that think u play a n ather game not me
We are an legit lower clan. Even we had no problems to get the money together. There was enough time to gather it.
About the badges, you should check the front page. There already said, that it is possible to get the badges back if TW ended saturday evening.
While you enjoy Territory Wars, the best way to protect your badges from any kind of deletion is this: do not collect your Territory War badges from the NPC until we implement the solution to the old badge issue.
There working on it.
Our goal is that we will return the exact count of badges to each player in one server maintenance, and afterwards players may collect the badges they left on the Territory Wars NPC. In the end, we do not want anyone to lose any Territory War badges from before or after the merge. This is what we are working towards currently.
We are an legit lower clan. Even we had no problems to get the money together. There was enough time to gather it.
About the badges, you should check the front page. There already said, that it is possible to get the badges back if TW ended saturday evening.
There working on it.
Sure lol 20 days for badges and we see about it learn to read will ya
coz ather meaning its possible and ather meaning have the word the badge will given in tw^^
Sure lol 20 days for badges and we see about it learn to read will ya
coz ather meaning its possible and ather meaning have the word the badge will given in tw^^
Sace, so please guess how long it will take.. Hours? Days? Next week?
I think a lot of ppl are awaiting your "lotery" results. Personally I really don't understand, why you didn't introduce results next day after close participating...
There are probably alot of people waiting for the results including me.
I just hope we get some results tonight GMT time and not tomorrow. Ive been checking my mail constantly for a mail from NC, nothing yet. I thought clanleaders would get some heads up before the results are published? Maybe we get it or not, right now im soo curious where we get one.
Its like goin for a final in a sports game, u are really nervous before the game starts, thats how i feel right now or well been feeling the whole day actually and NC are 9 hours behind me. So ill guess i will feel this way the whole night and the next day too if they are late with the results.
Sace, so please guess how long it will take.. Hours? Days? Next week?
I think a lot of ppl are awaiting your "lotery" results. Personally I really don't understand, why you didn't introduce results next day after close participating...
+1
The clan hall distribution is not finalized yet, and awarding the clan halls to players does not require server downtime.
How can it not be finalized?? Final bids were submitted and we know how many clan halls were available and how many recieved bids. Basically, everyone who bid on a C or B grade clan hall gets a clan hall, and a random draw should decide the A grade ones. The only thing to be decided is what to do with the leftover C and B grade halls. Course, if you really wanted to make your customers happy, you could make a few more A grade halls and then everyone gets what they paid for, plus a few lower grade halls would still be available for open auction. Think about that, but please, not for too long! We want to know what hall we got. Thanks.
The winners of this Contest will be posted on http://www.lineage2.com no later than October 26, 2010. A list of winners can also be obtained by sending a self addressed stamped envelope to Lineage II Clan Hall Distribution, NC Interactive, Inc., 1501 4th Ave. Floor 20. Seattle, WA 98101, USA. Residents of Canada may omit return postage.
The winners of this Contest will be posted on http://www.lineage2.com no later than October 26, 2010. A list of winners can also be obtained by sending a self addressed stamped envelope to Lineage II Clan Hall Distribution, NC Interactive, Inc., 1501 4th Ave. Floor 20. Seattle, WA 98101, USA. Residents of Canada may omit return postage.
That's so C3ish, it's been changed again. Read the patch notes. :eek:
The winners of this Contest will be posted on http://www.lineage2.com no later than October 26, 2010. A list of winners can also be obtained by sending a self addressed stamped envelope to Lineage II Clan Hall Distribution, NC Interactive, Inc., 1501 4th Ave. Floor 20. Seattle, WA 98101, USA. Residents of Canada may omit return postage.
more than 12 hours left in "Oct 26" in Pacific USA time
The winners of this Contest will be posted on http://www.lineage2.com no later than October 26, 2010. A list of winners can also be obtained by sending a self addressed stamped envelope to Lineage II Clan Hall Distribution, NC Interactive, Inc., 1501 4th Ave. Floor 20. Seattle, WA 98101, USA. Residents of Canada may omit return postage.
Right back at ya:
on or about October 26, 2010
It'll be posted when it's ready.
Cool it down people. They said 26, it might be 27,28 or 29. Start yelling at 30 or something.
well, to be pedantic, if they do not announce the winners today (26th), they violate their own rules and conditions (see post above mine), and somebody COULD sick a lawyer onto them :) (and I am sure all those rules and release forms and whatnot are designed specifically so that people CAN'T)
"The winning entries will be drawn at random by representatives of the Sponsor. "
mental image of representatives being employees children arguing with intensity if they should use the one potatoe two potatoe method of "random" or ip dip ^^
The results will be the same if ur told today tomorrow or next month!
I found 580 ch soes I accidentally bought 2 updates ago. I think I'll just start using them when I log in, close my eyes and pretend I appear in a clan hall.
I know this community isnt exactly the most mature group of ppl to deal with but that response is lacking professionalism that all companies should maintain. As for publicly announcing a timeline, not delivering, and leaving it up in the air is Business 101 fail. Better to never announce a date if you can't hit a target imo. At the very least do a ninja edit to the of rules and conditions that people keep linking to.
Seriously who is running the shop and how did he/she ever get to be in that position?
I know this community isnt exactly the most mature group of ppl to deal with but that response is lacking professionalism that all companies should maintain. As for publicly announcing a timeline, not delivering, and leaving it up in the air is Business 101 fail. Better to never announce a date if you can't hit a target imo. At the very least do a ninja edit to the of rules and conditions that people keep linking to.
Seriously who is running the shop and how did he/she ever get to be in that position?
Actually her response was fine...
Some of you people need to go and up your "GED in Law" skills...
Also, they still have 10 hours until it is midnight NCNA time.. and even then it might not be until the next morning.
Upon selection of a winner, the Sponsors will email a Winner’s Release Terms document to the winner, who must sign it by hand and return the document to the Sponsor by scanned attachment or by fax by 11:59 PM (Pacific Time) November 9, 2010.
It could me that if there are any extra clan halls they will not go to market before Nov 9th.
I found 580 ch soes I accidentally bought 2 updates ago. I think I'll just start using them when I log in, close my eyes and pretend I appear in a clan hall.
ugh yes and no...yeah i'm happy we got one but i'm kinda ****** that it's in Gludin when our original was in Schutt....who the hell thinks Gludin should be a B grade hall when Dion is C...it just makes no sense to me.
Here is the winners list so far. I say "so far" because there are some B and C clan halls that were never bid for. Players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund. It may take a while before those players can receive the email and respond, and I cannot post the final winners list until they make their choice.
If you bid for a clan hall and you are not listed here, please check for an update on your ticket throughout the day!
ElitePraetorians - Gludin Crystal Hall
Argonautes - Gludin Emerald Hall
DefendersOfAden - Gludin Moonstone Hall
Arg0nauteS - Gludin Onyx Hall
Evermore - Gludin Sapphire Hall
WretchedOutKasts - Gludio Moonstone Hall
RisingKnights - Gludio Onyx Hall
HelmsWatch - Gludio Ruby Hall
Mercenaries - Gludio Topaz Hall
Unity - Schuttgart Eisen Hall
First - Schuttgart Heavy Metal Hall
ElOlimpo - Schuttgart Molten Ore Hall
C-Grade
EliteTeam - Dion The Atramental Barracks
One B-grade and two C-grade clan halls were not bid for. People that bid for but did not win an A-grade clan hall are being given the choice to choose a lower-grade clan hall, or their refund.
SilverHawks - Gludin Crystal Hall
Styx - Gludin Emerald Hall
LionsHeart - Gludin Moonstone Hall
100Percent - Gludin Onyx Hall
Crematory - Gludin Sapphire Hall
SACRED - Gludio Moonstone Hall
NinjaPirates - Gludio Onyx Hall
LordsOfDarknesS - Gludio Ruby Hall
RedStorm - Gludio Topaz Hall
TheNewTerror - Schuttgart Eisen Hall
C-Grade
ResidentKILLERS - Dion The Atramental Barracks
Celtiberos - Dion The Scarlet Barracks
Three B-grade and one C-grade clan halls were not bid for. People that bid for but did not win an A-grade clan hall are being given the choice to choose a lower-grade clan hall, or their refund.
Seriously.. who made chronos a grade list? theres something really wrong with it..
that what happens when you put ppl to work on things they never done before.
seriously, who made the list plays the game?
They never GUARANTEED you will get a ch again. You probably just had better chances as a top clan / with previous ch etc. But you still could be unlucky.
What would be the point of having a lottery if the outcome would be already known.
Also, there still is the chance of getting a B grade clan hall, since some of those were not bid on.
Players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund.
Players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund.
You just don't understand the game your community plays. Never was never will.
Players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund.Its still stupid that the biggest and oldest clan got nothing, you guys just simply destroy the royalty. Even with the Gludio CH for Storm...
If I were you, I would keep the big clan's CH and split the others with the rest clans. If 2 big clans had the same CH (I saw a list, and most of those clans are dead now), I would figure out something to make them both happy. This distribution is really funny....
Also, I would keep same sides in same town but w/e.
Thing is, that 60% of clan that got CH sace, are random clans, inactive and with alts, many alts.
GM's should monitor better the activity of each clan before giving a ch. Why random? I dont understand you had more than what? 10 days to do it? What's so hard cmon. Toxic the alt clan of GReenfire got CH ok gj rly.
They never GUARANTEED you will get a ch again. You probably just had better chances as a top clan / with previous ch etc. But you still could be unlucky.
What would be the point of having a lottery if the outcome would be already known.
Also, there still is the chance of getting a B grade clan hall, since some of those were not bid on.
21 clans got ch
25 bidded
what exactly is about luck?:D if u got better chances
Emnity is a lvl5 clan with 6 members! They have an a-grade CH!!!
And we didnt getting one!! We are a lvl9 Clan with 150 ppl!!!
u must be mistaken a lvl 5 clan couldnt have an a grade hall :
Clan levels 6, 7, and 8 are eligible for the B-grade and C-grade Clan Halls.
Clan levels 9, 10, and 11 are eligible for the A-grade and B-grade Clan halls.
Because some players are already asking, we are not offering clan hall winners to choose one of the empty clan halls instead. Any unclaimed clan halls are being offered to the clans that did not win an A-grade clan hall, or else will be released to the market.
However, if two clans won a clan hall and wish to swap between them, the GMs will help you do that.
Because some players are already asking, we are not offering clan hall winners to choose one of the empty clan halls instead. Any unclaimed clan halls are being offered to the clans that did not win an A-grade clan hall, or else will be released to the market.
However, if two clans won a clan hall and wish to swap between them, the GMs will help you do that.
How come if the selection was random Schutt clan halls were left open on both servers?
If given the choice all people would choose Schutt first.
NCSOFT GMS must log on upcoming TW and Sieges and look at what RedSky is. Then they should take a look at random alt **** (or should I say clans?) who got half of A-grade CHs. Then just burn in shame.
or they could of done there job and been online in the seige 1.5 week ago and seen the only real fights that lastest more than 30secs making them not a wipeout was sh/dh vs redsky/greenfire
Apart from alt clans getting A ch and some real ones not making it, i think it is WAY better than level 2 clans of automated bidders to get them all.
It is better than last time. Alt clans will be selling theirs, sure the top clans will have no problems getting 100 bn to pay them, as some ppl said here, especially onewingedwarrior, they have chars worth more than that, so it is very easy to buy at that price.
We got Gludin CH, if it was for bidding like before would have gone for Dion one and probably fail the bid, we did pay 3.5 bn, but I think all this work was worth it. Will pay debts and start gear back up. 300 stones and some other items from event should pay for basic gear, it is OK.
As for top clans, they have castles, who cares about CH ? I dont pity them they can afford to buy from alt clans.
M
im simply amazed how GM's can be so clueless about thats happening ingame. nothing else to add, just sad...
which is why they shouldnt have got involved.
either way, as before, ppl will have lost halls or gained them, the reality is there is no fair system :(
im not in a top pvp clan so cant comment on that aspect - however as someone that lost a hall last merge i can say it really didnt make a huge difference, especially with the introduction of forts.
Heh seriously, the top clan halls should have gone to the top pvp clan halls.
Let the pve clans live with forts and rainbow chateau (more KE and whatever chateau gives for them!).
The neutrals dont need tactical clan hall positioning to spoil mobs at sieges.
gf ncsoft, are you so out of touch with your game that you couldnt draw up a faction map and make sure each major faction had at least 1 ch.
When will people realize that this game wasnt made for the 2 or 3 'top' clans to control the map by porting around and scribing for their alt clans. The word narcissism comes to mind...
Can please NCSOFT explain how can the oldest clan (RedSky) on EU servers always full with members, having half of heroes, holding a castle all the time don't get a CH? What the hell of a formula do you use seriously?
Naia
A-Grade
ToxiC - Aden Gold Manor - WTF is this?
DragonHunters - Aden Silver Manor - ok one of the oldest active clans
Wrath - Aden Bronze Chamber - WTF is this?
MightyKnights - Aden Gold Chamber - WTF is this?
SilentHorros - Aden Mithril Chamber - ok always on top
GreenFire - Aden Silver Chamber - ok from franz
Onslaught - Giran Silver Manor - WTF is this - worst clan in l2 history , only noobs, no hands ppl and 12 year old kids play there?
GranCaribe - Giran Bronze Chamber - WTF is this?
Hazard - Giran Golden Chamber - ok
SoutherLights - Giran Mithril Chamber - WTF is this?
vestoniceans - Goddard Emerald Hall - WTF is this?
KJ - Goddard Moonstone Hall - WTF is this?
Right - Goddard Onyx Hall - ok
JAKUDZA - Goddard Sapphire Hall - semi-ok
Einheit - Rune Aria Chamber - ok
Inquisition - Rune Astaire Chamber - TWINK KLAN or something
FierceRage - Rune Luna Chamber - ok
DawnBringers - Rune Mont Chamber - Best clan in franz.
NeMeSIIS - Rune Roien Chamber - WTF is this? - Onslaught alt clan, second worst clan in l2 history !!!!!!!! no hands ppl play there.
Hellenicspirit - Rune Traban Chamber - semi-ok i think
BlackShadows - Rune Yiana Chamber - semi-ok
isnt 15 parties of redsky/redstorm banned for 7 days?
:D
15*9=135 OFC! 135 ppl banned :DDD
Just think ahead what to write before write smth.
Nevermind.
This is not a topic about who and when was banned and for what (because all other clans or their members once were banned too, example, 40+ ppl of SilentHorror in february for overenchanted +30 skills).
This topic is about the "fair" NCsoft clanhall distribution system. And how alt(twinks) inactive clans, which never before had CH and which invited 100+ ppl to make aplications - got CH, while top active clans - didn't.
All the NCsoft words about (we will take in considiration the previous ownership of CHs, activity of clans (does holding castles and 1/2 server heroes count as activity? :DDD), level of clans, etc) - appeared ....... (u know this word).
lold next step ncsoft : split castles between random clans like you did with clan halls ;]
same you can do with TW bagdes who the -.- even needs em anway :)
half of these clans is DEAD as this game .
GO check ebay if there arent arelay WTS CH NAIA threads =)
Haven't played any of my toon's on Teon for year's, but isn't Redstorm a alt clan of Redsky anyway's ? So why not just switch it over to Redsky instead of ******ing trying for a second ?
It isn't NCsoft's fault everyone went and filled up alt clan's to try to improve their odd's by cheating the system, player's should have some accountability for themselves as well don't you think? The monthly fee doesn't say anywhere it includes babysitting services.
If all of the REAL active clan's that fit the criteria had each just put in there one app, don't you think the result's would have been better?
Hurray for shuttgart hall, couldn't have got a better one in my opinion for our clan.
My commiserations to redsky who don't deserve no clan hall. The whole thing about a secret formula and factors was clearly complete nonsense, it was clans, in a hat and pulled out by the water cooler.
As often is the case in L2, ppl need to stop the QQ, adjust to events that are finalized and move on.
My clan didn't get a hall. You wont see me QQing here one bit. L2 and life, neither are fair, you do the best you can and move on.
For RedSky, it's a shame they didn't get a clan hall but as was noted earlier in this thread the past history of clans was taken into consideration. Maybe it was just random luck they didn't get a hall in which case NC Soft did everything fairly, and exactly as they stated they would do. Maybe they took into consideration that RedSky clan leader was banned on Teon and therefore was less deserving of a clan hall then others, despite being 200+ active players. Not flaming, in fact I side with RedSky, but either way you look at it, this is the logic, and we must move on.
The good news is....with 200+ members there are three choices:
1. Accept a B/C grade hall. Imo I would rather not have a hall but that's their choice.
2. Take a battle hall. In almost every way an A grade battle hall is superior to a town hall. RedSky and any other large clans should easily be able to take the hall of their choice. They can also choose to which town they want to take their hall in as well, something those who "won" their bid were not able to do. Personally I'd rather not have a clan hall then have a Giran hall.
3. They can buy a hall. If 218 people all contributed 100 mill = 21.8 bill. I am not sure how much those "alt" clans would sell their halls for but pretty sure 10+ bill would get you at least one of those 21 halls.
QQing on forums is useless. Let's accept that things are the way they are, and play.
Heh seriously, the top clan halls should have gone to the top pvp clan halls.
Let the pve clans live with forts and rainbow chateau (more KE and whatever chateau gives for them!).
Actually, when NCsoft introduced the forts, they were intended to be the bases of PvP clans.
FAIR? olololo
You mean to say that the clan hall to give the twinks and not active clan this is FAIR? just LOL
yeah.. ncsoft should add one rule. 70% of clan must be 78lvl or higher (don't count academy).. I bet half of those twink clans have more than half 1-40lvl chars just for clan members number..
yeah.. ncsoft should add one rule. 70% of clan must be 78lvl or higher (don't count academy).. I bet half of those twink clans have more than half 1-40lvl chars just for clan members number..
i can bet on my house what 60% of they members don't log in anymore :D
But the discussion is not what WE CAN. The discussion is about the REALATION of NCsoft to their community. When alt(twinks) inactive clans get CH for free, while active top clans, which making this server to not completely die - get ".....". :D
So it is only "fair and random" if certain clans are guaranteed to win? :D
Well, like someone above said, qqing here won't help. Log on, find some smaller clan with a clan hall and throw enough adena and epics at them until they hand over their clan hall.
I was suprised to see the required number of players for the CH draw eligibility had to be present at the end day of the submission period. This allowed the high level twink clans to gather enough members to be eligible for the draw. But what is done is done. Besides Goddard is not that bad at all.
So it is only "fair and random" if certain clans are guaranteed to win? :D
Well, like someone above said, qqing here won't help. Log on, find some smaller clan with a clan hall and throw enough adena and epics at them until they hand over their clan hall.
Ofc not guaranteed to win!
But we haven't any questions if we lose and all CH were won by ALIVE ACTIVE clans, which play a major role on the server politic, etc.
But it didin't happened and some of clanhalls were got by alt innactive clans which just invited 100+ twinks to make application.
This is was the fail of "fair" system.
I dont understand how NCsoft didn't look at any server politics when they decided this. RedSky was and is one fo the biggest, longest lasting clans on any eu server. they are the one of the 2 lead factions for the main political war on naia.
Also, that list is filled with alt clans of other clans who had adena to burn so they purchased an extra clan hall. It's as if NCsoft didn't even look at clan activity.
I am wondering, what is the formula to decide who is an appropriate choice to consider? Because it looks like anyone who could scrounge up 5bil can be in the running as long as they meet the initial requirements.
You guys preached about preventing alt clans from getting clan halls, and you gave a quarter of the A Grade clan halls to alt clans. This makes 0 sense.
+1 from me on petition for RedSky's clan hall, and thats coming from their enemy in game. This is rediculous.
Lets all ask for new server so you can bid on CH :D it should be on ship somewhere between US east coast and French coast.. :D ping will be nice as well :D
That was what I said,but someone thought I said it too rude,well ok..I will try to rephrase it..Direct question then to you ncsoft staff,how do you think who is responsible for this thing,that inactive,twink clans got a grade ch's and one of top clans since teon started don't get one,you clearly stated that the system is to ensure,that ch's goes to active clans and later you just make a easy excuse (it's random)..or do you think that there is no problem at all and the community is stupid or blind and doesn't know what it is talking about?:eek:
We didn't het a grade clan hall either, we hoped that we would get if Ncsoft had excluded all these alt clans from distribution.
Seriously if you ask a random player that plays this game for around 2 months, seems to know more about clans from ncsoft game managers.
It's wrong for RedSky not to get a clan hall, I agree. Also it's wrong for clans that play the game 100% legit, with high activity not to get one, even if they haven't 5 years history guys.
Legiteness doesn't mean anything to NCsoft, they keep rewarding botters/ebayers that have banned acounts in the past....
Only now I realize what word "randomly" means. :D
Somehow I thought they will consider clans carefully, look at their activity, at history, at average number, average level, achievements like castles in the past, forts, siegeable clan halls in the present, maybe number of bans in this clan and so on... I never thought that they will just revise applications and put all those who qualify on this strange stupid random.
Now we have alts and semi-dead clans with A grade halls... I kinda hoped some of those clans would dissolve, join bigger clans. It's a healthier way, but since they own CH now, they are doomed to live their semi-dead afk life 24/7 in catas as many of them used to do.
As to RedSky. Come on guys, you will get A grade CH, I'm sure it's not a problem for a clan like yours.
As to RedSky. Come on guys, you will get A grade CH, I'm sure it's not a problem for a clan like yours.
I don't think it's so much that RedSky didn't get a clan hall as it is that NCSoft didn't respect the player base enough to actually look into the situation before awarding clan halls. To top it off, NCSoft stated that this method was to reduce alt clans from obtaining clan halls and as the results show, NCSoft didn't respect the player base enough to actually check the clans that applied for clan halls.
Apparently one of the biggest and longest running clans on the server wasn't deemed worthy of consideration of receiving a clan hall.
It's all about respect and how people are treated. It will leave a lasting legacy for a company.
I truly ponder... if a "pvp clan" is truly powerful and prolific, why do they need to cry and beg on a forum to have a clan hall?
There are a number of clan halls which are determined by clan war. Why wouldn't a truly "pvp clan" want that clan hall so they have the opportunity to bring their enemies out every time?
pvp clans want to pvp don't they?
+1
As I said many times, why do the "active" clans with banned leaders in the past and full PvP, major AFK factors and such need clan hall anyway ? Castles not good ? Forts ? Contestable clan halls ? Cant they buy a CH ? Recently the leader of a major bot clan in Franz came here to say they have 200 bn worth chars, sure that money will buy them a Rune CH if they didnt make it because of known problems with big "active" clans. There will be no GM check of that money and that clan which will buy that CH from someone's alt clan.
But, of course, the problem is that alt clans for AFK made it through, surely, main clans of AFK factorz should have gotten CH first, the vetting process should have rejected alt clans which are merely placeholders for clans that didnt make it past botting checks or which need CH for cheap autobsoe only. For months the leader of Toxic clan on Franz was coming daily a few times in our fort to blow ballistas for CRP together with main char, Limo from GreenFire which story goes has been banned and then unbanned for botting. He is a nice guy unlike others, however Toxic IS an alt clan, 100% so, it can be easily checked, ppl switching from GF to Toxic back and forth, having alt chars there, no wars because of massive AFK, etc.
I would support a re-check of clans that made it, clearly there have been quite a few mistakes.
But, the main problem remains, why do the "active" "factorz" clans need CH in the first place ?
M
They withheld 1 clan hall at the start didnt they? perhaps top clans that dont get a clan hall from random will be awarded it by NC Soft. Its a safe bet that NC Soft had a back up plan for just such a messed up Random result. Jesus people you heard it was random from the start and yet your NOW upset that you didnt get one. All the time that people cried about having troubles affording it you scoffed and said suck it up if you cant afford it you dont deserve it. Well now look you lost on the random and NOW the rules are a problem to you. Tough luck id have too say I do hope the Clan hall that was held back is given to the top clans as im in no way shape or form saying they dont deserve to have one but this is the luck of the draw. And as a side note being an older clan means their is older records of your player base meaning if you had Bots/Ebayers that were caught (and im not saying you do cause i dont know.) Your clan probably took a large hit on your name.
People were happy about merges in the top clans cause "we get pvp woo ya woo gonna be so awesome" and now you have PVP and due to the loss of your CH your gonna cry and say we should leave. Please if your that big and awesome go take the castle in the area you wanted the CH its the same dang thing and you should be strong enough to hold it by your own words.
Looks like it was 99% random and 1% of clan activity. Too much random.
Anyway RS can take B-grade CH and exchange it with Toxic (for example). Dont see any problem here.
It was stated that it was going to be randomly selected; more then likely worked as such:
everyone started out with a base number
Say X to start
Boost by X for owning A grade ch on last server
Boost by X for owning B grade ch on last server
Boost by X for owning C grade ch on last server
Boost by X for owning castle on last server
Boost by X for Blah blah blah and so on
Subtract X for each clan member removed from botting/ebaying
Subtract X for Blah blah blah and so on
Input into random calculator based on numbers you still can lose with the highest number. Every factor was taking in to account thereby meaning, that you have subtractions and additions to their value for getting a clan hall. Decreasing or increasing the random chance of your name coming up.
+1
As I said many times, why do the "active" clans with banned leaders in the past and full PvP, major AFK factors and such need clan hall anyway ? Castles not good ? Forts ? Contestable clan halls ? Cant they buy a CH ? Recently the leader of a major bot clan in Franz came here to say they have 200 bn worth chars, sure that money will buy them a Rune CH if they didnt make it because of known problems with big "active" clans. There will be no GM check of that money and that clan which will buy that CH from someone's alt clan.
But, of course, the problem is that alt clans for AFK made it through, surely, main clans of AFK factorz should have gotten CH first, the vetting process should have rejected alt clans which are merely placeholders for clans that didnt make it past botting checks or which need CH for cheap autobsoe only. For months the leader of Toxic clan on Franz was coming daily a few times in our fort to blow ballistas for CRP together with main char, Limo from GreenFire which story goes has been banned and then unbanned for botting. He is a nice guy unlike others, however Toxic IS an alt clan, 100% so, it can be easily checked, ppl switching from GF to Toxic back and forth, having alt chars there, no wars because of massive AFK, etc.
I would support a re-check of clans that made it, clearly there have been quite a few mistakes.
But, the main problem remains, why do the "active" "factorz" clans need CH in the first place ?
M
because a clan hall is an easy regroup, buff and report out to pvp again.
why do carebear non-factors need clan halls? to xp better?
Obviously duh lol Im simply explaining how you people could have lost and been the most active clan. They couldn't let anyone know how it would be inputted as then each clan would set themselves up prior to entry to be as good a entry as they could have. You simply have to just accept that your criteria did not give you the best chance to win a clan hall as per:
The Lineage II team impartially reviews the status of all clans that enter the giveaway, applying the same evaluation formula to all participating clans. (We will not disclose the specific formula to avoid potential criteria manipulation.)
Im not stating for one second that they did it the way i said. im giving an example, not that it matters much too me as your on Naia and im on Chronos.
because a clan hall is an easy regroup, buff and report out to pvp again.
why do carebear non-factors need clan halls? to xp better?
That can work also in Forts, contestable clan halls, castles, etc, right ? They are major PvP "Pr0s" why do they need shelter from it ? Only legits do.
Legits need CH for 50% at lower levels (we do help many newbies), for bsoe when "Pr0" enforcers come to PK because we are too close to their trains, for newbies getting some buffs and tp to exp location (remember we are newbie friendly ?), for extra MP for crafting, etc.
True, except in limitless auctions. There was a problem GMs intervened to fix a problem without looking into the cause (the 2 bn limit), but they did better than expected. However Toxic making it through is just a shame, this proves the criteria were not good or not well applied. Other than a few alt clans getting CHs, this was not that bad. Replace Toxic with a level 2 clan with one char, and you will see how much better is now than it could have been.
M
They should not worry about that in the first place. Contestable clan halls are for 2 weeks, castles are for 2 weeks, fort can be taken back at any time for the "Pr0" if other "Pr0s" take it, that is why they cheated so much, for PvP, that is their life, so they should be getting PvP ones not auction types. From what you saying you sound like worried about ppl that are AFK and suddenly their autobsoe doesnt work because fort has been lost, that their enemies make siege to their fort to PK without penalty their trains, even when they are in AFK alt clan without wars. I wouldnt worry about those, legits should have different worries.
M
and why do non pvp clans need a clan hall? i havn't heard a nice reason for this yet.
and more so, regarding the original issue which you obviously forgot, why do alt clans need a clan hall? they store boxed chars and people who are inactve. please explain why they need a clan hall over RedSky.
and why do non pvp clans need a clan hall? i havn't heard a nice reason for this yet.
and more so, regarding the original issue which you obviously forgot, why do alt clans need a clan hall? they store boxed chars and people who are inactve. please explain why they need a clan hall over RedSky.
If you have read what i wrote you would have seen I strongly disagree that alt clans got CH, that is obviously for cheap autobsoe, they dont have wars, they dont pvp they are only for AFK purposes. It is just sad GMs were unable to see Toxic is clearly an alt clan as well as Nemesiis and many others.
You would have also seen my reasons why legit clans need CH. You disagree with them, fine, but I dont think you know how reality goes on our side.
M
Looks like it was 99% random and 1% of clan activity. Too much random.
Anyway RS can take B-grade CH and exchange it with Toxic (for example). Dont see any problem here.
Redsky maybe had 99% chance of getting a clan hall. They rolled the 1%. Random means there's a chance to lose, they lost. Get over it, buy a clan hall from somebody who got one. If people do not like the fact that there WAS a chance NOT to get a clan hall during this whole thing, they should have complained BEFORE NCSoft did the lottery, not after the winners were determined and they saw that they lost. "Taking into consideration" previous clan hall ownership, clan activity etc. does not mean you are guaranteed to win, it just means you have a better chance than clans without a previous clan hall and without high clan activity.
If you have read what i wrote you would have seen I strongly disagree that alt clans got CH, that is obviously for cheap autobsoe, they dont have wars, they dont pvp they are only for AFK purposes. It is just sad GMs were unable to see Toxic is clearly an alt clan as well as Nemesiis and many others.
You would have also seen my reasons why legit clans need CH. You disagree with them, fine, but I dont think you know how reality goes on our side.
M
Its kind of hard when you are stuck on the issue of if pvp clans need a clan hall
Its kind of hard when you are stuck on the issue of if pvp clans need a clan hall
All the hardcore guys really should take this as a blessing. None of them should have a regular CH. If pvp is so important they can pvp at siege AND pvp for CH. It can be done when these clans all have high activity, high levels, and uber skills, right? It should make them so happy that they giggle when they pull the covers over themselves at night.
All the hardcore guys really should take this as a blessing. None of them should have a regular CH. If pvp is so important they can pvp at siege AND pvp for CH. It can be done when these clans all have high activity, high levels, and uber skills, right? It should make them so happy that they giggle when they pull the covers over themselves at night.
You also miss the main point of the thread, congrats
If ncsoft did their job and removed inactive alt clans from the running like they were supposed to, then RedSky would have gotten a clan hall fairly.
You also miss the main point of the thread, congrats
If NCsoft did their job and removed bots or block 3rd party programs, most clans there would have not existed in the first place, we didnt need this merger but more servers and whoever wanted a CH would have started fresh in one of the new servers.
You miss the point of the game, congrats.
M
Wow, quite an obsession over one clan not getting a CH... I think the GMs got the point already
Yeah, they should just go for PvP ones, fort, castle, get redistributed in Schuttgart or buy one from one of the alt clans that managed to fool GMs. End of story.
M
Why not get organized, have one of the leader's from US server, and one leader from Euro server make a decent petition/letter clearly stating which clan's were the alt clan's that signed member's to fawk the process up and get as many player's as possible to do the /signed thing.
It didn't work back in the day for the RM trade and botting when it was done, but the moderator's for the board's actually do seem to read and care these day's, and this is more a issue they can actually fix if something of this sort was done to point out who the alt clan's were without getting into the issue of who the alt clan's belong to to penalize them.
And I only mean the "alt" clan's, not "PvE" and "Nonfactor's" just because the "top" clan's don't think the random's should get clan hall's doesn't mean they shouldn't, but alt clan's really shouldn't.
I would like to know if there was 34+ clans that applied for A-grade and did not get one, would then all B-grade appliers FAIL and all the B-grade CH go to A-grade bidders?????
if NCsoft was giving out how was determined what clans got selected for an A-grade clan hall ?
if you read what they wrote, there were hidden criterias to select the 25 clans that would take part in the lottery to know what clan (in those 25 selected one, by criteria in theory) get which CH
that's what i understand if i read their primary announcment toward the CH distribution system
Stop crying RedSky or maybe RedStorm? I think we only want a CH for your alt clan (same as SilentHorros have). I don't remember when RedSky had castle last time. Banned CL and many other issue. RedStorm is main clan of Exile and they have a CH. So cry moar.
Naia's RedSky = Teon's RedStorm
Naia's RedStorm = hell if I knew
Naia's RedSky9 = Teon's RedSky (that's the one with the banned clan leader)
So, to answer you question, they last held a castle in September.
Seriously, some small (lnquisition) or alt (FierceRage) clans getting a top CH just goes to show how little screening there was before the "lottery".
just my 2 cents anyways, but i dont see how calling GMs and staff all the name you give them can help things to get improved.
I mean, instead of flaming and all this QQing, it would be way smarter to ask NCsoft to describe how they exactly did things, no ?
Because this sounds way different to what was announced on many concerns.
Then, when you know the criteria, i'm sure there will be good way to argue and try to change the point.
(And no, i'm not agreed with how the distribution happened as it is now, cos when you announce something and do somethingelse, either you did something very wrong to get this reult, either you didn't made what you promised)
mate you can also use fortress as clan hall + free farm there
+1
However, I do believe that alt clans should have not gotten CH. I kindly ask GMs to review some of the clans mentioned here to see if they qualified. It is probably too late, but then they will at least know in the future.
M
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Seriously, some small (lnquisition) or alt (FierceRage) clans getting a top CH just goes to show how little screening there was before the "lottery".
Akji you know that random <> fair.
On other had when I see clans with CH when last month before merge they had 4-6 active players, I'm sure X will get CH .. it is just matter of time* ;)
Truth is from 25 CH probably 5-6 are now possessed by alt clans or clans resurrected only for CH event.
It is not excelent ratio ..but I'm sure without NC action, 90% of CH would be just now possessed by alt clans of X/SH.
Ofc they wouldn't cry on forum and all who would started discussion they would call:
"QQ carebares who need CH for BSOE & 50% rez!"
Not that I'm happy that X haven't got CH but on other hand there is irony.
Blah warriors, who everyone who post at official forum call QQ'res now are QQ louder then ANY-EVER-QQ here so far.
Isn't it irony? :rolleyes:
GM didnt mentioned the word "RANDOM" when they asked u to give them 5b. They posted 100500 parameters and priorities that ofc they didnt cared during that L-O-T-T-E-R-Y!!
will this post stop turning into a
emo X crying/emo SH fanboy laughinh - thread
this wont help at all
the less bullcrap there is to read in the post, the more chance a GM/staff member can read out things and look thier mistake there is
and about the guys keeping saying: Sky can have a fort, i will only repeat what has been said over and over, you cant own a fort and a castel, and RS will own a castle (is allrdy owning) ....
So in the end, if all those 12 years old kid could stop spamming, i'm sure it will be more helpfull for everyone
IMO castle>CH, but even then, they can still get PvP clan halls.
M
Why ppl QQ about alts selling CH and dont go to this alts and offer to buy their CH?
RS with 218 ppl, half heroes and castles can't buy CH from alt-clan of allied clan?
Exactly my point, they can get from ally's alt clan, retail price for a CH should be about 30 bn tops on Naia for the optimistic ppl that hope next merger will be very far away and about 15-20 for those that think will be next year.
M
and you think your clan is an active one? that had 7 people on oren siege? /LAUGH HARD
7?
I'm not sure what clan you mentioned.
I have been at that siege ONLY in mine party was at least 8 ppl ;)
Seriously, as KJ, we had 40-50 ppl at siege.
It is not to proof you that we had been better than X or SH or whatever.
Ad rem.
Just read that QQ and read rules where was stated : RANDOM
There were 2 stages:
First - checking if clan is entitled to get CH
Second - random lottery.
You can't argue with dice that it not rolling as you wish.
You can be disappointed .. but why all has to hear screaming - I want roll 6!
Ofc I wouldn't be happy if we would loose in that lottery but I'm sure no one would be pleased to listen my QQ.
We had Rune CH. I can now QQ "NC cheat us we have Goddard instead Rune!".
But what is point? Lottery is lottery.
Rather ask NC what method of lottery has been chosen than QQ
might be, but without clan hall i doubt they would show more (even, it will eventually be the opposite)
and believe me, you dont want that :p
whats gonna change if they never show up even with ch/wards? Its a PVE clan, nothing gonna change except pvping at FOD ch siege :D
I don't think it's so much that RedSky didn't get a clan hall as it is that NCSoft didn't respect the player base enough to actually look into the situation before awarding clan halls. To top it off, NCSoft stated that this method was to reduce alt clans from obtaining clan halls and as the results show, NCSoft didn't respect the player base enough to actually check the clans that applied for clan halls.
Apparently one of the biggest and longest running clans on the server wasn't deemed worthy of consideration of receiving a clan hall.
It's all about respect and how people are treated. It will leave a lasting legacy for a company.
So you want to say that RedSky wasn't allowed to be in this competition?
I think it was.
I think all those factors like activity, number of members and so on were applied to see if clan qualifies for random CH distribution. That is why so many alt clans got clan halls. They passed the "entry" exam and they became equal to RedSky or whatever other clan in the competition in the eyes of NCSoft.
NCSoft clicked button "distribute by random" and some clans got nothing, cause random said so. To those, who got nothing, NCSoft gladly offered lower grade clan hall then.
I don't believe they actually looked at clan deeper than /allyinfo for member numbers.
Sadly, but it's how this "random" works.
i dont say i want to see your clan hall taken back. i just tell you you are not an active clan. whole ally of KJ had less than 25 people on siege. i was there also so stop qq etc
well on this i think you should either :
-use your fingers to make the count
-put off lower details to have full count
Serenity had i'd say allmost 40 peeps on the siegefield i'd say
Your clan was not selected as the owner of a clan hall for the clan hall grade of your submission. However, the clan was selected as a second chance owner of a C-Grade clan hall. If you choose to accept ownership of a C-Grade clan hall, the clan's entry fee will be reduced to 2,500,000,000 Adena. This is consistent with the entry fee of a C-Grade clan hall entry. By accepting ownership of a C-Grade clan hall, the clan's warehouse would be refunded the 2,500,000,000 Adena difference in the entry fee between A-Grade and C-Grade entries equaling. If you choose not to accept ownership of a C-Grade clan hall, the clan will receive a 90% refund of the original A-Grade entry fee totaling 4,500,000,000 Adena.
Gratz! That's Dion, strategically placed near the best castle for a PvP clan to take (according to Nova :D).
random contribution wouldnt be that bad IF first stage verification were done properly, come on how twink clans passed verification? what were the criteria? were there any?
dude you are complete out of topic stop posting, the point here is that NCFail
left the 1 of the 2 major clans of Naia without clanhall...
old luna, franz clans don't exist on daily pvp etc
You are right PvP is out of topic here, besides you are wrong, there are Franz clans engaged in PvP.
This is about auctionable CHs, not the PvP ones.
M
and why do non pvp clans need a clan hall?
It's mostly to get a competitive advantage in recruiting over other "non-pvp" clans. There are other good reasons as well, but this is the main one.
and more so, regarding the original issue which you obviously forgot, why do alt clans need a clan hall? they store boxed chars and people who are inactve. please explain why they need a clan hall over RedSky.
There's nothing wrong in alt clans owning clan halls. Clan halls have ingame value, and securing them on alts is part of the economic warfare (it's a PvP game with player-driven economy, after all). What NCsoft tried to prevent (and successfully prevented) by their "giveaway" is all the clan halls ingame owned by numerous lvl 2 alt clans of such farmer clans as <-lol, what an irony->, secured by using 3rd party tools during the first second after the Gludin Auctioneer NPC spawned.
Sace, for those who bid for Agr clan hall and didn't win in lotery, should they write the same application with Bgr tags, or there will be another format for it?
P.S. There are still no response yet to ticket, but application ticket was accepted and adena taken from CWH.
I'm sorry but i can't understand this "random lottery" that gives CH to all our enemy, to their alt-clans (to sell) and nothing to us! Did you see activities of some altclans that got A-Grade CH? Can it compare with us? This "lottery" cannot be named "fair" and results are ridiculous, absurd and offensive! You efface the history of the oldest clan easy.
(c) RS member
but +1 for this from me.
I'm sorry but i can't understand this "random lottery" that gives CH to all our enemy, to their alt-clans (to sell) and nothing to us! Did you see activities of some altclans that got A-Grade CH? Can it compare with us? This "lottery" cannot be named "fair" and results are ridiculous, absurd and offensive! You efface the history of the oldest clan easy.
(c) RS member
but +1 for this from me.
You can't understand random? It's sad ... but I also can't understand random. Maybe because it's random?
man...Sky without even storm have 150 people online every single day...gimme a break.
Thats including the bot groups running and ingame shop right? Seriously... your clanleader was banned for RMT. Did u really think u made a chance. Sure u will say its the past..and that it shouldnt matter. But it does its that simple. It was a CHANCE too get a clanhall no certainty. Whats next QQing that zaken didnt drop an earring that you needed for PVP ?
well on this i think you should either :
-use your fingers to make the count
-put off lower details to have full count
Serenity had i'd say allmost 40 peeps on the siegefield i'd say
Serenity isnt a clan, dear. Its an ally :) and 40/3(clans in ally)= ~13-14 ppl each clan max :b
Serenity isnt a clan, dear. Its an ally :) and 40/3(clans in ally)= ~13-14 ppl each clan max :b
I will say it for the last time our alliance has average 120 people CC at sieges, not the best, but it's something I think.
After all we kept Goddard before merge for about a month.
Serenity isnt a clan, dear. Its an ally :) and 40/3(clans in ally)= ~13-14 ppl each clan max :b
Serenity ally had 100+ ppl in CC what gives in average around 30+ from each clan.
Max CC is hard to say while in middle of Siege we had ally drama and some parties left CC :)
Still we had around 100 ppl.
But what I want to say.
It is not important who/when/how many ppl had in CC.
IT WAS LOTTERY.
Why you ask dice to roll as you ask?
Apart of it.
If you want to find small almost inactive clan please check that list again, but believe me KJ not fit to that criteria,
OK we are not pwnzor with 200+, but still we have at least 80 people in clan (not 10 ppl with 70 boxes) - 80 people not 80 accounts.
Look at that list ... and find next to jump on him...
ehehehe.
u can tell ppl from franz and luna how u kept Goddard :D
No FR=no Goddard for KJ :) lets be honest to each other :)
i dont say that its wrong or smthing like that. But the fact is a fact.
No SH/DH at siege field called by Inq .. no Rage.
It is simple.
Inq asking DH / SH with Hero parties, what you expect us to do?
Sit and cry?
Apart of it duing last Teon sieges, when SH had banned CL (and some major ppl ) and they were sitting in Dion we had not asked anyone for help and we defend castle 3 times in raw easily.
Still I don't see connection between RANDOM lottery and our achievement at Sieges :)
If you want to find small almost inactive clan please check that list again, but believe me KJ not fit to that criteria,
We have at least 80 people in clan (not 10 ppl with 70 boxes) - 80 people not 80 accounts.
Look at that list ... and find next to jump on him...
nakkiga your clan lionsheart dont have more than 20 active people if i m not mistaken. or am i?:cool:
but im not telling all the community that im the only Naia power :b
as far as i see only KJ is trying to convince ppl that they are really cool :b
and about 40 ppl in CC... those were not my words :D check pls the thread and try all to stick to one version mhhh
Well the criteria for participating should have been more strict :) it's just lol when a 200+ active ppl clan don't get a grade ch and is offered a lower one,which I could get on my lvl 6 alt clan with 40+ my and my friends low lvl twinks :) and i leveled that clan only on my own,so really gf :D
but im not telling all the community that im the only Naia power :b
as far as i see only KJ is trying to convince ppl that they are really cool :b
and about 40 ppl in CC... those were not my words :D check pls the thread and try all to stick to one version mhhh
no offence
i was the first who told to sercatum that kj is a dead clan with 7 people on oren castle siege. but lionsheart think its dead also. cant gather 2 full partys for some event or can?:cool:
but im not telling all the community that im the only Naia power :b
as far as i see only KJ is trying to convince ppl that they are really cool :b
and about 40 ppl in CC... those were not my words :D check pls the thread and try all to stick to one version mhhh
no offence
KJ only need me in CC I can single handedly kill all SH and X + Neutrals with just one arm shooting my bow, shooting the arrow with my teath.
Now if that dont convince you KJ is really cool I dont know what is.
Secatum, dear, i know u're a nice person, we've spoke couple of times. Please read my words and things that im quoting once more.
When your ally/clan members say "we rule! we took castles by ourselves" i know that its not the whole truth. Agree?
When your member sais "there were more then 7 ppl from KJ on the siege field, we were 40 in CC" i just count the approximate amout of ppl for each clan and post it.
And about my first message on the offboard... If u think that random is THAT random to leave 3 Schtudgart CH for ingame auction.... well then i can only tell u that u're little bit naive. Are u sure that random distribution would leave three free Schtudgart CHs and will fill all the Gludin/Gludio ones?
KJ only need me in CC I can single handedly kill all SH and X + Neutrals with just one arm shooting my bow, shooting the arrow with my teath.
Now if that dont convince you KJ is really cool I dont know what is.
AHAHA :D nice answer :D
Are u sure that random distribution would leave three free Schtudgart CHs and will fill all the Gludin/Gludio ones?
Why not? Aren't the Schuttgart ones the last ones in the auction NPC list?
ehehehe.
u can tell ppl from franz and luna how u kept Goddard :D
No FR=no Goddard for KJ :) lets be honest to each other :)
The last three sieges in Goddard, there was no FR there. At all.
First one: lnquisition holds the castle, fails to secure even basic support from anyone at all. Easy win for Serenity + Union.
Second one: Serenity + Union hold the defence, lnquisition (1 party - that's their whole clan ...) comes with two SH parties (with some heroes) in the last 20 minutes, they fail. No worries though, since they were good puppies they got given Innadril by their SH/DH friends later on. :)
Third and last on Teon: Serenity + Union + Vestoniceans hold the defence, roughly near the middle of the siege some DH+SH parties (two to three of them, some heroes) come and try to install an alt clan; they fail. Near the end of the siege, lnquisition + about three SH parties (with more heroes) try to install another alt clan and kick us out, they fail again.
That's all there was. We had no support from FR, or X for that matter, at any of the three sieges.
but im not telling all the community that im the only Naia power :b
as far as i see only KJ is trying to convince ppl that they are really cool :b
and about 40 ppl in CC... those were not my words :D check pls the thread and try all to stick to one version mhhh
no offence
Nah we not convince anyone that we are cool(*).
We want not be called alt clan, as Ridah and some other used to.
As well when one is saying that we had 7 (or even 40) at CC we want to fix it, because is simple not true.
I can agree that KJ is non-factor in PvP, but calling 80 ppl in clan, alts .. that is a bit too much :)
Nah we not convince anyone that we are cool(*).
We want not be called alt clan, as Ridah and some other used to.
As well when one is saying that we had 7 (or even 40) at CC we want to fix it, because is simple not true.
I can agree that KJ is non-factor in PvP, but calling 80 ppl in clan, alts .. that is a bit too much :)
(*) yes we are cool ;)
on oren siege field there wasn't more than 40 KJ/Ech0/TnT on the siege field, i know cos i was on it in an ech0 grp at that time .....
and with 120 peeps in CC, you had outsiders from serenity :)
SACE i think u need consider that a clan ldr need to have the privilleges that can give the alliance members that dint obtain a clan hall to use the clan hall fuctions bufs items etc,
so in this way all clans that are in alliance get stronger have better experience and team work play more ppls in siege rbs and ofc using all the fuctions that l2 has to offer!
is that possible sace?
You'd better asked Moxie about it, but no, it's not possible.
And if you want it to be possible, you will need to persuade the Korean developers to implement it (and even then, it will be on our servers not earlier than 6 months after it hits Korean servers).
The last three sieges in Goddard, there was no FR there. At all.
First one: lnquisition holds the castle, fails to secure even basic support from anyone at all. Easy win for Serenity + Union.
Second one: Serenity + Union hold the defence, lnquisition (1 party - that's their whole clan ...) comes with two SH parties (with some heroes) in the last 20 minutes, they fail. No worries though, since they were good puppies they got given Innadril by their SH/DH friends later on. :)
Third and last on Teon: Serenity + Union + Vestoniceans hold the defence, roughly near the middle of the siege some DH+SH parties (two to three of them, some heroes) come and try to install an alt clan; they fail. Near the end of the siege, lnquisition + about three SH parties (with more heroes) try to install another alt clan and kick us out, they fail again.
That's all there was. We had no support from FR, or X for that matter, at any of the three sieges.
+1
and no-one is saying Serenity/union etc. are "super cool". we are merely stating that we deserve to have a clan hall as much as anyone else.
we met the "Clan hall distribution rules", accepted the rules. it wasn't just Redsky that lost out on A grade clan hall there were other decent clans too (lets not forget those who couldnt afford to bid in the first place for 5 bil).
comparing kj to what has been quoted about 30 times in this thread as "Redsky the oldest/richest/most powerful/everyone loves clan on teon" is just a stupid comparison. we don't claim to be more powerful than them, but we met the clan hall distribution terms/conditions.
im not going to **** off other people that achieved clan halls that are "Alt clans" as that doesn't achieve anything, nor do i truly know all the clans on that list to judge. maybe there are alt clans? they met the clan hall distribution requirements. end of.
i admit its sad that a superpower clan hasn't got a "A grade" clan hall, although it isn't the end of the world for them.
and no-one is saying Serenity/union etc. are "super cool". we are merely stating that we deserve to have a clan hall as much as anyone else.
we met the "Clan hall distribution rules", accepted the rules. it wasn't just Redsky that lost out on A grade clan hall there were other decent clans too (lets not forget those who couldnt afford to bid in the first place for 5 bil).
comparing kj to what has been quoted about 30 times in this thread as "Redsky the oldest/richest/most powerful/everyone loves clan on teon" is just a stupid comparison. we don't claim to be more powerful than them, but we met the clan hall distribution terms/conditions.
im not going to **** off other people that achieved clan halls that are "Alt clans" as that doesn't achieve anything, nor do i truly know all the clans on that list to judge. maybe there are alt clans? they met the clan hall distribution requirements. end of.
i admit its sad that a superpower clan hasn't got a "A grade" clan hall, although it isn't the end of the world for them.
red sky is one of the 2 sides on Naia, the "decent" clans are not playing pvp at all and they
don't have the power to stop either SH or SKY to dominate in case any of those 2 dies.
The last three sieges in Goddard, there was no FR there. At all.
First one: lnquisition holds the castle, fails to secure even basic support from anyone at all. Easy win for Serenity + Union.
Second one: Serenity + Union hold the defence, lnquisition (1 party - that's their whole clan ...) comes with two SH parties (with some heroes) in the last 20 minutes, they fail. No worries though, since they were good puppies they got given Innadril by their SH/DH friends later on. :)
Third and last on Teon: Serenity + Union + Vestoniceans hold the defence, roughly near the middle of the siege some DH+SH parties (two to three of them, some heroes) come and try to install an alt clan; they fail. Near the end of the siege, lnquisition + about three SH parties (with more heroes) try to install another alt clan and kick us out, they fail again.
That's all there was. We had no support from FR, or X for that matter, at any of the three sieges.
No bad feeling at all to Serenity or Union , but..... guys please give us all a brake.
1) You really need to stop trashtalk to SH and DH mate cos with your 20 ppls clan i really dont see the point at all.
2) Do you REALLY believe if SH and DH wants you to be in trouble they will even allow you to comes near the castle ? :D Please guys some of you there believe too much in this "We can compare to SH and DH ****"
3) If you are so good next time when DH and SH trying to take Giran go and try to take it ^^ With their 300+ ppls in CC i dont know if you can leave giran gates.
Again i got some friend in Serenity and Union as well but please guys.... stop it you make me laugh a lot. :)
Explaining: ToxiC - one of the oldest clans on Franz, that was academy of Angels, then became normal clan
Wrath - Polish clan fully legit - anybody who tried to bot there were always kicked immidiately.
Onslaught - good clan, good mates, good pvp
DawnBringers - old clan that has divisions in L2 and Aion
NeMeSIIS - quite big clan it used to be, I think still it is.
Btw - HAHAH REDSKY!
Toxic-what do you mean by normal clan ? What normatives ?
Wrath-that is not true anymore or they dont kick bots that fast anymore. Saw some in SV lately (about 10 days ago, now most bots are gone from either SV, WoA and even Varka has fewer... I am impressed :o )
Nemesiis was a quite big and good clan but was merged with angels then OS and now is only alt clan.
The rest pretty true.
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The Lineage II team impartially reviews the status of all clans that enter the giveaway, applying the same evaluation formula to all participating clans. (We will not disclose the specific formula to avoid potential criteria manipulation).
ITS WASN'T RANDOM IF THEY DID IT RANDOMLY THEY VIOLATED THEIR USER AGREEMENT
SO THE DISTRIBUTION SHOULD BE RESETED.
I cant imagine that on the evaluation Sky are lower than KJ of grandcaribe
You quoted correctly, but not everything
From the official website:
Once your entry is received, we impartially review the status of your clan and the entry. We apply the same evaluation formula and criteria to all clans and entries.
When the entry period closes, the winning entries is randomly selected, and each winning clan receives a Clan Hall of the grade it bid for.So it was
1. review entries to see who qualifies for the lottery
and after that
2. lottery (with a chance of not getting anything even for uber awesome clans)
Redsky (and all the other clans which did not get anything) passed 1, but lost at 2.
Of course one can argue that a lottery (which only selected clans could enter) was not the most excellent way of distributing the clan halls, but that does not change that this is how it was announced and what clans agreed to when they entered.
No bad feeling at all to Serenity or Union , but..... guys please give us all a brake.
1) You really need to stop trashtalk to SH and DH mate cos with your 20 ppls clan i really dont see the point at all.
2) Do you REALLY believe if SH and DH wants you to be in trouble they will even allow you to comes near the castle ? :D Please guys some of you there believe too much in this "We can compare to SH and DH ****"
3) If you are so good next time when DH and SH trying to take Giran go and try to take it ^^ With their 300+ ppls in CC i dont know if you can leave giran gates.
Again i got some friend in Serenity and Union as well but please guys.... stop it you make me laugh a lot. :)
keep cool, even if i admit akjosch went a bit cocky in there, the point is that they fully know they cant stand against SH/X (even with FR on their back anyways)
the problem is that they cant face SL by instance either without FR ...... and i hope they still klnow about it
last siege prooved they cant even stand vs Onslaught
but still they have fun in those sieges and that's the most important things.
If X/ITT keep things as: we do not monopolize all castle i'm sure things will just go smooth (even better if FR hold off from some castle as well)
HS/Inqui for exemple are good puppies when it come to taking castle for ITT i'd say
No bad feeling at all to Serenity or Union , but..... guys please give us all a brake.
1) You really need to stop trashtalk to SH and DH mate cos with your 20 ppls clan i really dont see the point at all.
I'm not trashtalking. I'm stating facts. SH and DH attacked us at Goddard twice before Teon got merged and lost - that's a fact. We attacked SH at Dion once after they ****** us off enough and kicked them out of the castle, installing KJ (exact date: 2007-03-03, most of SH left the server to bot somewhere else in safety shortly thereafter); that's another fact.
If you don't like those facts, don't post falsehoods, and don't mess with me. I'll happily leave any and all clans alone as long as they will leave me and my people alone.
EDIT: @ap0cal - last Oren siege was messed up as hell. My people died more from Rage than from everyone else combined. :/ Good thing I told most of them to not even bother until we have a clear view on who is working with or against whom, so most were simply out XPing. :D
If you don't like those facts, don't post falsehoods, and don't mess with me. I'll happily leave any and all clans alone as long as they will leave me and my people alone.
Falsehoods ?? Pardon? Which of my words was falsehood. If i dont like the facts? The fact is mate you and your buddys jumping from happiness that you manage to kill "somehow" 2 partys from SH and 1 Incq ( which i dont count as live players ), while SH and DH CC are in Giran fighting with X. The ONLY reason SH comes with only 2 partys is because they want the bloody castle not so badly ONLY for some books from manor.
Re-read my post as i said i dont mean to offend anybody and i dont jump on anybody so please dont jump on me either :)
But I don't feel bad because most of these 300 uber players from the top clans have done these:
A machine leveled them to their current lvl by botting afk.
They bought most of their equipment by ebaying.
A machine helps them to target enemies.
A machine spams cp pots for them.
A hole party auto targets in pvp.
And they want to take credit for their endavours as they even did ANYTHING themselves..... A big lol for me....
Now this is not either mine or your problem mate. IF ncwest let them do it until now ( and some continued ) doing it it's not a matter of discussion, but problem of NcWest....
Falsehoods ?? Pardon? Which of my words was falsehood.
Aside from you accusing me of "trashtalking": Where did I say you posted falsehoods? Where did I correct you?
(I did correct Nakkiga about "getting help from FR to take/hold Goddard" though)
If i dont like the facts? The fact is mate you and your buddys jumping from happiness that you manage to kill "somehow" 2 partys from SH and 1 Incq ( which i dont count as live players ), while SH and DH CC are in Giran fighting with X. The ONLY reason SH comes with only 2 partys is because they want the bloody castle not so badly ONLY for some books from manor.
Newsflash: Sieges don't happen in a vacuum. Goddard siege was scheduled at the same time as Giran and Rune for a good reason; we knew SH and DH would be busy at Giran (against X mostly) and at Rune (against Rage mostly). We monitored those sieges to better guess what we could face any given moment. The fact they would be busy there was part of our defence strategy.
I feel sorry for them, they don't PLAY the game, some program routines play it for them, I don't know why are they proud of getting castles & stuff that way...
If NCsoft tightened his own rules more and monitored the server in real time, this botting and cheating stuff had been prevented from doing so.
When i started playing on teon on day 1, we had a real time conversation with GM's through the petitioning system. At the same time chinese botters ruled our server with their programs. When NCsoft banned the ip-ranges for China/Korea, most botter were gone. At that point normal player started to use 3th party walker.
From that point it went worse. So this problem growed out fast, until there was a no point of return.
Its un-changeable at this moment because the game is more then half-way trough its story. Remember LineAge II is more then 6 years old already.
The 2nd problem is that big changes ingame cant be changed by NA. If NA had their own power to alter the game to their wishes or to the community, we had a better healthy server.
# The Lineage II team impartially reviews the status of all clans that enter the giveaway, applying the same evaluation formula to all participating clans. (We will not disclose the specific formula to avoid potential criteria manipulation.)
# The winning clans are randomly selected. The player that submitted the entry must complete and return the Winners Release Terms document within a required time.
the first post defines through some "criteria" the formula of the clans that will be selected to
get the clanhalls. There will be some kind of evaluation.
After that the clanhalls will be randomly distributed...between those selected clans.
sigh... no.
It means exactly what it says. The winning clans are randomly selected. They randomly select who will win from among all participating clans which made it through the "evaluation" step. Making it through the evaluation step does not mean you already HAVE won, it just means that your entry is valid according to the rules.
That's why they posted the list of the number of clans competing for each clan hall type, which was LARGER than the number of clan halls available. That list was the number of clans after the first step.
I'm out of here - since I am not playing on Naia, I do not care if Redsky has a clan hall or not. I am just amused by the people claiming that NCSoft broke their own rules by not handing a clan hall to Redsky.
I'm not trashtalking. I'm stating facts. SH and DH attacked us at Goddard twice before Teon got merged and lost - that's a fact. We attacked SH at Dion once after they ****** us off enough and kicked them out of the castle, installing KJ (exact date: 2007-03-03, most of SH left the server to bot somewhere else in safety shortly thereafter); that's another fact.
Sure, that your clans are best pvp clan on all L2 servers, but there is a fact that whole your CC (120 ppl ?) was owned at last Teon siege by single DH party in 15 min (0 hero btw).
So even dont try to compare clans. Speak about pure random - it's better.
nope it was 40 + silenthoorors who got banned for skills exploit and later on unbanned so Q_Q use search button or stop posting at all .
And this 40 ppl dont come to siege during ban time. But when 60+ X was banned due to oly exploit - they all just temporary exchange toons for not banned and come siege. You really want to discuss it on this topic?
Sure, that your clans are best pvp clan on all L2 servers, but there is a fact that whole your CC (120 ppl ?) was owned at last Teon siege by single DH party in 15 min (0 hero btw).
If by "owned" you mean "accomplished all our goals, while DH (with SH help, btw) accomplished none" ... yeah, "owned" indeed. :)
yaime forkas here...i know that a lot of people laughed with Sky not getting a
clanhall but who cares...the point here is that i'm totally loosing my motivation.
In sky any time you login you can see ~150 people online. Naia is Teon2 since
none of the other clans are capable of making any kind of 3rd side. NC by doing
this they are destroying any kind of balance. Even if we have a siegable ch
who tells to us that the day of the siege will not be just before Castle sieges or
TWs...its incredible how this NC US fails at all these issues. Im totally sure now
that they don't even know their game.
Errr with 150 ppl online each day how hard is it to secure a contestable CH? On the one had you say your clan is so great and on the other you say you can't pull together people to pvp for CH.
Errr with 150 ppl online each day how hard is it to secure a contestable CH? On the one had you say your clan is so great and on the other you say you can't pull together people to pvp for CH.
Well thats not faul proof.. Their enemy could want to annoy them and take it from them with a alt clan. You would then be stuck with no clan hall.
From what I read they got the offer to get Dion clan hall and I suggest you take it and stop complaining, they won't change anyways.
The Lineage® II servers have merged from eight to two and so fewer Clan Halls are available to players. In a past server merge, some unscrupulous characters raced to make the capped bid amount for an auctionable Clan Hall and win a hall. Once they had the Clan Hall, they resold the hall, effectively scalping Clan Halls to those who are in need of a Clan Hall for competitive gameplay. To avoid a repeat of the same issue, the Lineage II team has decided on using a Clan Hall distribution that more fairly allocates the Clan Halls to eligible participants.
oh well here it goes
WTT B grade CH + adena > A grade CH contact me ingame only
Any further insults and arguing about RedSky, banned leaders, and why whatever clan didn't randomly win a clan hall will be removed. Also, blatant insults to NCsoft and staff members will be infracted and removed. Twenty pages of flames is quite enough.
SilverHawks - Gludin Crystal Hall
Styx - Gludin Emerald Hall
LionsHeart - Gludin Moonstone Hall
100Percent - Gludin Onyx Hall
Crematory - Gludin Sapphire Hall
SACRED - Gludio Moonstone Hall
NinjaPirates - Gludio Onyx Hall
LordsOfDarknesS - Gludio Ruby Hall
RedStorm - Gludio Topaz Hall
TheNewTerror - Schuttgart Eisen Hall
C-Grade
ResidentKILLERS - Dion The Atramental Barracks
Celtiberos - Dion The Scarlet Barracks
Clan Inquisition is dead ~3 years.
Inquisition - Rune Astaire Chamber
Clan Fiercerage was empty ~1 year coz merged with Right clan and now they repaired FR only in order to get ch.
FierceRage - Rune Luna Chamber
Just for info. So 2 empty ch for resell detected.
PS Also 90% active members of BlackShadows clan merged with FierceRage. 3d empy ch in Rune?
Well thats not faul proof.. Their enemy could want to annoy them and take it from them with a alt clan. You would then be stuck with no clan hall.
From what I read they got the offer to get Dion clan hall and I suggest you take it and stop complaining, they won't change anyways.
Just pointing out what I see as a blatant contradiction. The pvp clans all say they are indispensable factors with their activity levels and need for pvp so they should enjoy the fact that hey have to pvp for stuff in this game. They should all go for contestable clan halls and leave the regular CHs to the pve clans who by pvper definitions just want to xp, hold hands and make roleplay babies.
Any further insults and arguing about RedSky, banned leaders, and why whatever clan didn't randomly win a clan hall will be removed. Also, blatant insults to NCsoft and staff members will be infracted and removed. Twenty pages of flames is quite enough.
Any further insults and arguing about RedSky, banned leaders, and why whatever clan didn't randomly win a clan hall will be removed. Also, blatant insults to NCsoft and staff members will be infracted and removed. Twenty pages of flames is quite enough.
Just close this topic. You informed already the CH status. Nice. If ppl got, amazing, if not, start work to get a siegible CH or quit game and go play Hello Kit On Line. THATS IT. Is too much QQ and complain and the majority of these ppl crying are just ppl that kill mobs ALL DAY EVERYDAY. Dont need even a CH. LOCK THE TOPIC :)
As I know MaoMao - CL of 100Percent and she is most bot hater =)
Not exactly bot hater, but game lover. Bots ruined already the game and I cant play it fully because of them, but worse part is that the game will close because of them unless NCsoft wakes up from the bot induced dream that they are indispensable for the game and their revenues.
back tot he clan halls, I said all i needed to say. Alt clans should have not gotten CHs as GMs wanted, they got, therefore the GMs criteria for the original selection were faulty or not well applied. Without the Alt clans we would have had enough clan halls for all that bothered to apply and accept the risk to lose when they are checked and found to be bots.
Also PvP clans should have had no business in this thread, they can take PvP ch, castles and forts, more than enough, there is no advantage for them from this except for the cheap autobsoe.
M
Just close this topic. You informed already the CH status. Nice. If ppl got, amazing, if not, start work to get a siegible CH or quit game and go play Hello Kit On Line. THATS IT. Is too much QQ and complain and the majority of these ppl crying are just ppl that kill mobs ALL DAY EVERYDAY. Dont need even a CH. LOCK THE TOPIC :)
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